Did Condoleezza Rice perjure herself?
CLAIM: “One of the problems was there was really nothing that look like was going to happen inside the United States…Almost all of the reports focused on al-Qaida activities outside the United States.” [Condoleezza Rice, Senate Testimony, 4/8/04]
FACT: In the months before Sept. 11, the Federal Aviation Administration told some of the nation’s largest airports that if a terrorist wanted to hijack a plane to commit suicide in a “spectacular explosion,” it would probably be a hijacking on U.S. soil rather than overseas. [Newsday, 2/11/05]
More memories…
CLAIM: “I don’t think anybody could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center, take another one and slam it into the Pentagon. [No one predicted] that they would try to use an airplane as a missile, a hijacked airplane as a missile.” [Condoleezza Rice, 5/16/02]
CLAIM: “We received no intelligence that terrorists were preparing to attack the homeland using airplanes as missiles.” [Condoleezza Rice, 3/22/04]
CLAIM: “Richard Clarke had plenty of opportunities to tell us in the administration that he thought the war on terrorism was moving in the wrong direction and he chose not to.” [Condoleezza Rice, 3/22/04]
FACT: Eight months before 9/11, “Clarke urged then national security adviser Condoleezza Rice to hold a high-level meeting on the al-Qa’ida network…a memo has revealed. “We urgently need such a principals-level review on the al-Qa’ida network,” Clarke wrote on January 25, 2001. [AFP, 2/12/05]
FACT: The report by the 9/11 commission detailed 52 warnings given to Federal Aviation Administration leaders from April to September 10, 2001, about al Qaeda and its desire to attack airlines, according to a previously undisclosed report by the commission that investigated the terror attacks. [CNN, 2/11/05]
Could you tell me when the Democrats in the Senate questioned Rice specifically on these point? I must have missed somehow.
These facts were known was she was being confirmed.
I'm sure they'll issue a statement now that the Clarke memo to Rice (Jan 25, 2001--8 months before the attack) pointing to another lie by Rice that the AlQueda threat wasn't passed on to the Bush administration from the previous admn.
I'm not good at holding my breath...
February 11th, 2005 at 11:29 amSee also http://tinyurl.com/6hnzd
February 11th, 2005 at 12:42 pmGW Bush is the world's leading terrorist by our own FBI standard, Here's the proof:
Terrorist Bush!
February 11th, 2005 at 7:57 pmIt would be great if someone could share links to Condi's actual audio recordings. People don't remember that when she was telling the "nobody could have predicted..." biggest bald faced lies of her career (at the time), her voice was obviously trembling. She never imagined (at the time) that she could possibly get away with such whoppers.
February 12th, 2005 at 12:40 amSure she lied, that's status quo for this administration. The question is: What will be done about it? The answer: Nothing.
February 12th, 2005 at 7:32 amTheir information management has to be considered.
Had hese two revelations (52 warnings and Clarke's memo), popped up three weeks ago, would the Senate confirmations of Rice and Gonzales gone so smoothly?
My view is that the Congress plays 'good cop' to the executive's 'bad cop.'
Will they convene hearings over Rice's clear perjuries?
Why not?
February 12th, 2005 at 7:59 amPNAC + 9/11 + ignored warnings + Iraq + lies and coverups= a grand conspiracy to break international law to gain political and military advantage. Any reasonably intelligent person, looking at the evidence out there can only come to the conclusion that the this is a criminal organization.
By any test of logic.
February 12th, 2005 at 12:20 pmI have it from an excellent source that Rice initialed the Clarke memo as RECEIVED & READ. I am trying to find out if the same was true of the FAA memos.
February 12th, 2005 at 12:22 pmMy father was a WWII veteran who served in the South Pacific for the entire duration of the conflict. He was a heavy machine gunner, a hand to hand combat expert, a Japanese Language expert...and an interrogator. He suffered from malnutrition-- pelagra and beri-beri, dehydration, heat stoke, hepatitis, malaria, various fungus infections, typhoid, cholera, intestinal parasites...and succumbed during 1977 to emphysema caused by nearly five years of breathing cordite fumes. Every night, he was tormented by images of Banzai attacks, Imperial Nipponese forces' savagery such as the slain and tortured prisoners he and his unit so frequently found left in the path of their marches to demoralize and anger them...and the memories of demonically fanatic Niponese troops he interrogated, who proudly flaunted the souvenirs of their torture and killing of indigenous persons, British and Dutch civilians, ANZAC and US troops, Chinese civilians, etc..
By any reasonable definition, WWII was a "Just War." The consequences of trying to tame and appease the Axis Powers are too clear to us today, and were clear for at least two years before the war began.
The military and civilian forces under the Axis Leaders executed their orders and carried out their duties as they were indoctirnated to understand them with a fanaticism and disregard for individual Human Rights and any univeralist grasp of morality matched by only the Stalinists and the Khmer Rouge. Yes, there is terror and wanton cruelty in Sudan, and there was too much in Rwanda, and no one can diminish the significance of those horrible atrocities. The Taliban and Al Qaueda terror were horrible, immoral.
But, the persons who were and are responsible were not as fanatic as the enemy my father fought, or their allies. Nor do they have a world conquest ideology and strategy that can work. It is unsustainable, unlike that of the Axis. To suggest otherwise is to argue for the slippery slope.
I do not argue that torture is somehow justified by the extreme and exigent circumstances faced by our forces in the South Seas Islands, Papua New Guinea. Exculpation can only come from on high. But, the consequences of permitting the outrageous fanatics to carry out their heinous plans on civilian and military personnel in places such as Nanking, Lei Papua, Manila, Cabanatuan...weighed against the inexperience, lack of preparation, terror, ill health, and desperation of our forces...argues for forgiveness, and for providing support and training adequate to get vital information using more subtle and humane means within the scope of the Geneva Convention. My father and his comrades certainly did nothing even approaching the relative sketches of military misconduct we have received from Guantanamo, other places, Iraq, and we must wonder what remains in store once sunshine illuminates our government again? The culability for the actions we know about rises to the command level, probably higher, to those who issued orders and documents supporting torture as the best means to obtain vital information, who issue directives pushing our troops beyond their limits in terms of accelrating deadlines in an arbitrayry and capricious fashion, who fail to provide appropriate training and support for our troops, who fail to provide appropriate armor and other personal physical protection while requiring our troops to ride in inherently dangerous vehicles such an flimsy hummers and Bradleys, and the consequences of continuing to disregard the Geneva Conventions may be too high for us to bear when our own troops ALWAYS are tortured and killed as captives of our enemies.
Too many of the strategic level decisions are being made by persons who have no clue how it feels to be shot, to be stabbed, slashed, burned, starved, sick, too hot, nor how it is to live in constant fear and stress in combat.
Given this, it should be no shocker that they also lack compassion for the casualties we now secretly bring home to warehouse in slipshod facilities, while waiting some minimal treatment, and actualy CHARGING them for treatment, meals, housing, etc, and cutting their on-going financial and medical benefits.....it is a disgrace, a shame, and a demoralizing factor in our services, one that is growing rapidly. Too much of this is, I now believe, symptomatic of personal evil, of incompetance, or a depraved indifference to the well being of common people on our side and that of the insurgents...and it should outrage the people of this great nation.
February 12th, 2005 at 12:32 pmCLAIM: “I don’t think anybody could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center, take another one and slam it into the Pentagon. [No one predicted] that they would try to use an airplane as a missile, a hijacked airplane as a missile.� [Condoleezza Rice, 5/16/02]
Really? Check this out:
http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/Contingency_Planning.html
February 12th, 2005 at 5:12 pmWhy are these people allowed to lie, misdirect, and misuse the legal system? First they loot corporations by merger, now they are looting the US Treasury. They start wars without any form of legitimate cause or pretext. When will the they be tried for treason and unlawful use power? These people are insane and must be remove and imprisoned for crimes against humanity !
February 13th, 2005 at 7:58 amThere will be no perjury charge. Does anyone else recall the administration would not allow Condi, et al, to be sworn in before the Commission?
February 13th, 2005 at 8:29 amRice's 9-11 Testimony LINK: C-Span - Search "Rice" + 9-11 testimony - you should get the full archive
February 13th, 2005 at 9:06 amhttp://www.c-span.org/search/basic.asp?ResultStart=1&ResultCount=10&BasicQueryText=Rice+testimony
Perhaps, no perjury charge since she wasn't under oath. However, is an ethical violation possible? Not that I'm holding my breath on that possibility either.
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