Terry Schiavo Has Died, Conservative Ignorance Lives On
By on Mar 31st, 2005 at 10:27 am
Terry Schiavo Has Died, Conservative Ignorance Lives On
Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA), last night on Hardball:
All we said — and I can — you can interview a bunch of Democrats who joined with me in the Senate. All we wanted was a new trial, a de novo hearing to bring in what was a lot of evidence that was not considered originally by the original trial court…The judge did not do what was expressly required in the statute. That is a problem. Judges should abide by the law. They`re not above the law.
From the discussion of the bill passed by Congress on the Senate floor:
SEN. BILL FRIST: Nothing in the current bill or its legislative history mandates a stay… this bill does not change current law under which a stay is discretionary.
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Now that it’s over, watch for all the “supporters” of the Congressional shenanigans to re-direct their actions and reasons for actions.
By all means, they shouldn’t be held “responsible” for their actions, right?
March 31st, 2005 at 10:57 amSantorum statement (”you can interview a bunch of Democrats who joined with me in the Senate”) is misleading. Didn’t the bill pass on a voice vote with only three Senators on the floor?
March 31st, 2005 at 11:29 amDidn’t the bill pass on a voice vote with only three Senators on the floor? – You don’t expect Tweety to harp on such an irrelavent fact like that do you? It passed – it’s as if 1000 Senators voted for it. It would be insubordinate of him to question the Righteous and Verily Indignant Senator from Santorum!
March 31st, 2005 at 11:50 amMy family will mourn the lady but we want these politicians to understand the we DO NOT WANT THEM IN OUR PRIVATE LIVES. I want to make these kind of decisions about my own life and I also plan on making them for my ward/daughter when the time comes. When government is given authority over the life/death of persons who effect economic situations they will always look at the bottom line (money) as they did in the Texas baby case and in the early 1900s when they forcefully serilized total families if there was illness in the family. Government has no business overriding family medical decisions. The ONLY question here was who is the next of kin?
March 31st, 2005 at 3:30 pmQuestion for you Wills. Say I have a child who has colic–they constantly cry uncontrollably. As guardian of the child I determine that his/her quality of life is so low that it is not worth continuing. I withhold formula from my child until he/she dies. Should I be allowed to do that?
March 31st, 2005 at 4:03 pmWell, Tony, is your child in a persistent vegetative state with no reasonable chance of recovery? Not “can you find shills who will give false testimony for you”, but an honest answer? Otherwise, save your strawman argument.
If you gave a crap about life, you might support health care for your fellow man. But let’s not let actions get in the way of words.
March 31st, 2005 at 4:20 pmBrian,
She was not in a PVS. Why does she need to “recover”? People don’t “recover” from cerebral palsy, and they live life just fine. There is no real proof of her wishes to live or die, so it became up to Michael to arbitrarily decide her fate, based on his opinion of her quality of life.
I do support health care for my fellow man. I donate to charity that provides health services to those who can’t afford it. I do not support forcibly taking money out of your wallet (and others) to pay for it. If you gave a crap about freedom for your fellow man, you’d agree with that.
March 31st, 2005 at 5:36 pmTony,
I’m sure that as a qualified doctor you know for sure that she was not in a PVS, oh wait.. you’re not? Heh then don’t pass off your opinion as fact. As for your arguement that people with cerebral palsy live fufilling lives, I don’t disagree with you there but that’s not the case here. The majority of doctors asked agreed that she didn’t have any higher cognitive functions. None. Whatsoever. It was fully in her husbands right to order the feeding tube removed because he’s her next of kin.
As for your arguement that it’s wrong to force people to pay for healthcare? Why? In Canada we do so because we recognize that there are people out there who will always be in need and not have the money to pay for services. I know it’s not perfect but it’s better than relying on a few philanthropists to subsidize the poor. And you guys have a LOT of poor.
March 31st, 2005 at 8:25 pmThere is no real proof of her wishes to live or die, so it became up to Michael to arbitrarily decide her fate, based on his opinion of her quality of life.
First, there were several witnesses (including Michael Schiavo) who testified in a court hearing under oath that Mrs. Schiavo had said to them that she wouldn’t have wanted to live if she were ever brain-dead and incapable of living without artificial means to keep her alive. Perhaps you don’t believe such testimony is “real proof,” but if so, you don’t know anything about admissible evidence at a trial. People have been executed for murder on the basis of evidence that fell far short of the testimony that convinced Judge Greer of Mrs. Schiavo’s desires, and to say it isn’t “real proof” just shows that you don’t have a clue as to what “real proof” is.
Second, Michael Schiavo did not “arbitrarily decide her fate, based on his opinion of her quality of life.” Michael filed a lawsuit asking the courts of Florida to “decide her fate” according to the laws of Florida, and it was one of the judges in those courts who, applying the laws of Florida, made the decision, not Michael. Michael presented evidence concerning her expressed wishes and her physical and mental condition, the Schindlers presented their evidence on the same issues, and Judge Greer, to make sure that Mrs. Schiavo’s interests were protected, appointed a special guardian for her, and had a state-paid neurologist examine her. This neurologist and all the non-quack doctors who examined her agreed: Mrs. Schiavo was in a “permanent vegetative state” and would never recover. The overwhelming evidence about her condition and the testimony of her friends and husband about her wishes convinced Judge Greer that Mrs. Schiavo was brain-dead, would never recover, and would not have wanted to live. In such a case, Florida law is clear and Judge Greer followed it. He is the one who quite lawfully ordered the life support tube to be removed, and every judge and court that reviewed his decision agreed with him. Michael Schiavo did not remove the tube and let her die, the state of Florida did. You may not agree with that decision, and that’s your right, but to claim that Michael “arbitrarily decided her fate” shows that you have no idea what you are talking about.
March 31st, 2005 at 11:17 pmI guess this is the conclusion I’ve come to: if a person is in a PVS (ok, so I may not agree with the judge’s ruling on this, but I can accept it since due process was followed) and that person does not have a living will specifying their wishes, then the state should not prevent the feeding of that person. If no one wants to feed her, fine, then she can starve, I have no problem with that.
I am thankful, though, that we live in a country where due process is followed, even if I disagree with the rulings.
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