UPDATE: O’Reilly joined in the fray as well…
Conservatives are attaching themselves like barnacles to the legacy of Pope John Paul II, portraying him as an ideological soulmate of President Bush. Of course, they haven’t always felt that way — especially when the Pope was opposing the President’s policies. Here’s Sean Hannity, from January 2003:
COLMES: …And before you respond, let me just put up what the pope says.
“No to war,” says Pope John Paul II. “during his annual address to scores of diplomatic emissaries to the Vatican… ‘War is not always inevitable,’ he said. ‘It is always a defeat for humanity.’”
Are these a bunch of wild-eyed liberal loonies?
HANNITY: Yes.
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April 6th, 2005 at 5:16 amI wish that the hypocracy of the talkinng heads was ever “newsworthy.” In true asshole fashion, look for Hannity to just over-talk anyone who ever brought this to his attention on air. Also look for the same BS from O’Reilly.
Their trump card is always their volume – you can’t win an argument if you are quieter than your boorish opponent (apparently)
April 4th, 2005 at 12:04 pmSome libs are attaching themselves too (though in much lesser numbers), since they agreed with him on the Iraq war. Unfortunately for them, that was the one of the few or only things they agreed on.
I was always amused by Kerry claiming to be a Catholic, but being openly pro-abortion. The church’s #1 message is that of supporting all pro-life issues.
April 4th, 2005 at 12:44 pm“The church’s #1 message is that of supporting all pro-life issues.”
Strange. I thought Christianity was about a lot more than just that.
April 4th, 2005 at 2:14 pmThe church’s #1 message is “all your tomorrows belong to me”.
April 4th, 2005 at 4:22 pmi think that if someone want’s to do an abortion they should.becuse it’s there body and kid.but then again the kid should be given a life and live it.if you don’t want a kid just use protechshen.
April 4th, 2005 at 5:08 pmcatholics of which i was once, are arguably the hypcrits of the highest order . almost 70 % use artificiak birth control and close to 50% comprise those receiving abortions. too bad hannity and orellys fathers didnt utilize this option to protect the world from their bad sed offspring
April 4th, 2005 at 6:41 pmThe late pope disgraced himself with his response to the fact that vast numbers small boys were being hideously abused by a lot of preists.First he made a ststement that child abuse is a sin(didn’t he know that already?). Then he urged Massachusetts Cardinal Law not to resign over this matter. When Law finally did resign the pope gave him a good job at the and a huge, expensive apartment for himself. Wow! What a vow of poverty! That was it. From this, onecan only conclude the the pope considered raping a child was ok if the rapist is a priest.
April 4th, 2005 at 9:01 pmGod and religious leadership have nothing in common. To believe in God does not imply the lack of acceptance for human beings, who do not share our “religious” thoughts. Freedom is the freedom of the other human beings. Unfortunately the pope made himself a bad relationship with the warmongers. Prolife means prolife … suprisingly also for human beings in Iraq or elsewhere. Those discredit themselves who tells us they have values and are strong believers in God, but at the same time support troops and war! Religion is opium for some people.
April 4th, 2005 at 10:18 pmFlippity-floppity, flippity-floppity Hannity.
I guess the position a right-winger takes on any issue at any given time depends only on which way the wind is blowing.
April 5th, 2005 at 12:25 amI’m not pro-abortion, I think it should be safe, legal and rare, as Howard Dean has said. Tony is playing the old game of trying to get people on the defensive about their stance on “choice” when the issue is Hannity’s hypocrisy.
April 5th, 2005 at 1:13 amLove of life is one thing, love of human misery is tantamount to sadism.
If left to religionists, and of late, opportunistic if faulty thinking politicians, control over your own body will no longer be an option. To me, that’s criminal.
The Pope? He leads a big church. John Paul2 leaves a church that has 26 years of exceptionally conservative rule by a man not given to organizing skill. the church faces a crisis of direction, and will suffer a crisis of leadership if old policies are left to just run themselves. Marraige in the clergy, women in the church, better conditions for monks and nuns, less verticle structure and more lay involvement are just the tip of the troubles that wait for the new pope, who had damn well better be ready to lead and not just stay in the JP2 shadows, or the church will suffer still more reversals in the western world.
April 5th, 2005 at 1:21 amHannity is a radio voice. Why in hell are we giving any credence to a man who is little more than a half-baked political version of Howard Stern? This is like saying the late 60’s were wild because Wolfman Jack had a great rock show on XERB radio that was heard all over the west coast. the 60’s were wild because there were a lot of young, and energetic people, and not because of one radio show out west.
The best way to quell Hannity is to turn him off.
April 5th, 2005 at 1:26 amToday’s Roman Catholic Church is everything that Jesus would have condemned. The Superchurches popping up across the south as well. Religion is completely about money, power and control and has Zero to do with Christ. There is also absolutely no accountability with these people. The Church looked the other way for years and years while pedophiles raped and tortured young boys and when the stories finally surfaced, the Church tried blaming it on the individual priests.
Abu Ghraib anyone?
Make no mistake, the Church in Rome knew because it’s been a part of Catholic church culture for hundreds of years.
Hannity and his ilk latching on to the legacy of the Pope is hardly surprising. The Church is everything they strive to be – Powerful, rich, and free from any type of constraints or scrutiny.
April 5th, 2005 at 9:57 amHannity is a vulture looking for carrion to feed on.
April 5th, 2005 at 11:55 amUh, Hannity may be a radio voice, but he is also a TV uhmmmm, journalist. He and O’Reilly flip-flop from saying they are journalist to claiming they are just talking heads when accused of journalistic malfeasance. And it is fine for us to just turn them off, but they represent what millions of Americans believe. It is dangerous to just ignore them as they fram the beliefs of the morons who are hooked on their every word.
April 5th, 2005 at 12:10 pmI was always amused by Kerry claiming to be a Catholic, but being openly pro-abortion. The church’s #1 message is that of supporting all pro-life issues.
That’s right, ALL pro-life issues. That means anti-abortion, anti-euthanasia, anti-war, anti-poverty, and anti-death penalty.
You are anti-death penalty like the Pope was, aren’t you, Tony? Hard to claim to share his pro-life position if you aren’t.
April 5th, 2005 at 12:25 pmI thought Hannity was a good little Irish Catholic boy. He should be excommunicated for talking shit on John Paul. Ha!
April 5th, 2005 at 12:37 pmWild-Eyed Liberal Loonies
April 5th, 2005 at 12:40 pmSean Hannity called the Pope a “wild-eyed liberal loon.” Unknown if he also called the Pope an asshole….
Two words about the pope: historical revisionism. The media is currently praising him and ignoring the negative just like they did when Reagan died. The pope was complicit with Reagan’s policies in Central American. The pope tried to silence Archbishop Romero and other priests who spoke out for social justice while the contras were slaughtering poor civilians.
April 5th, 2005 at 12:46 pmThe church’s #1 message is that of supporting all pro-life issues. Tony
Actually, Tony the original message was “Love one another as I have loved you”, but, as is aways the case, the message gets distorted through the ages.
April 5th, 2005 at 12:57 pmIf the truth were told, the far right wing of the Republican party actually harbors considerable distain for Catholics. Praying to Mary, confessing sins to mortal men and allowing gambling (bingo) in church are just some of the things that upset the fundies.
April 5th, 2005 at 1:41 pmPope a Liberal Loon?…
April 5th, 2005 at 1:48 pmLeave it to Hannity to attach himself to someone when it is politically profitable…
Hannity is a flip-flopping scumbag who hates America far more than anyone he slanders with his constant lies and distortions.
And why does sean hannity hate TRUTH so much?
It must be like kryptonite to him.
One touch of real Truth would destroy him.
April 5th, 2005 at 1:49 pmI’m always amused by “conservatives” like Tony claiming to value a culture of life, but being openly pro-war. The Konservative Koolaid this week is “culture of life” but that’s until they jump at the next political moment tossed their way by the zeitgeist machine.
April 5th, 2005 at 2:00 pmThere isn’t any evidence (i’m talking real evidence, not conjecture and news stories) that Catholic priests abuse children any more than the general population. And priests don’t take a vow of poverty. I’m not defending child abusers or those who enable them or any of the Church’s less than reputable track record… i just want to get that out there to inject a few facts into the comments.
That said, Hannity is still a tool and i wish someone would call him out. Colmes? Anyone home in that head of yours?
April 5th, 2005 at 2:14 pmJesus preached love, forgiveness, etc. But then also said “Go and sin no more”. Jesus did not give license for all behavior, but rather preached the gospel of transformation and change…which is only truly possible through him.
April 5th, 2005 at 2:43 pmColmes is not a liberal. He’s a clown in liberal garb, a deliberate foil for Hannity. They should just call it the Hannity Beats Up Liberals show.
This is typical of Fox News. They get the weeniest weirdest “liberals” they can find. You’ve seen their debate programs. On this side we have Righty McSmartson, Harvard graduate and successful invenstment banker. Representing the Left we have Zorbina the Pet Astrologer.
Watching Fox News leads me to conclude that there are no liberals where I live in San Francisco.
April 5th, 2005 at 3:02 pmThe church’s #1 message is that of supporting all pro-life issues.
That’s right, Tony, all pro-life issues; including capital punishment, war (specifically the Iraq invasion), social injustice and unrestrained capitalism. How many Catholics would agree with the Pope on every one of those issues? Not too many, I assume. Would make the Catholic Church a pretty small outfit, dontcha think?
April 5th, 2005 at 3:13 pmTony, Kerry wasn’t running for pope, but for president of the US. His job as president is to respect the law, which allows everyone the freedom to live by their own consciences. He may dislike abortion, but it’s not the president’s job to impose that belief on anyone else.
For all the “culture of life” talk, neither Bush nor the American Catholic Church seems to concerned about providing medical care, healthy food, decent housing or anything else to children after they are born.
April 5th, 2005 at 3:35 pmI have to say I find it sad to read ignorant right-wing tripe answered with ignorant ant-Catholic left-wing tripe.
The Catholic church is far from perfect. It’s full of hypocrites, liars, opportunists, elitists, molesters, and a host of other unsavory characters. Also known as sinners. JPII was far from a perfect pope. But then, if you look at who Jesus picked for his disciples, it seems disingenuous to suggest that the church is the exact opposite of what Jesus had planned. He associated himself with the dregs of society and shunned the pious. Simon Peter, the first pope, denied Jesus three times during his hours of greatest need! That choice was deliberate. Any so-called god could transform the world using the best and the brightest mankind had to offer. But God’s church was founded on the premise that the Lord can transform the world even through the misadventures of scoundrels. Jesus came to call sinners, not condemn them. I don’t want to belong to a church full of anybody else but the ones Jesus called.
As for JPII, I’m saddened to see the knee-jerk criticism coverage of his death has garnered from the lefties in the Air America camp. His policies within the church were most decidedly conservative, even regressive. But his interaction with the world was as progressive and liberal as any could hope to ask.
He worked tirelessly from the start to heal rifts between the world’s faiths. He was the first pope to enter a mosque, to pray at the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem, and to speak out against social injustice. When JPII spoke of the culture of life, he meant it in its entire context, not the parochial assault on Roe v Wade that Bush and his cronies have coopted it for.
His leadership in Poland was the domino that began toppling the oppressive, autocratic rule of the Soviet Union. Forget Ronald Reagan, the collapse of communism was far more directly influenced by JPII. Moreover, it was done in a peaceful, non-violent and diplomatic manner that the American left has been howling for in our own foreign policy for decades.
JPII was a great man. He was an example of what humanity is capable of, in spite of its own great weaknesses. If George Bush were to suddenly die, there would be a lot of media coverage, and most Americans would grant that it’s to be expected that their president, fascism notwithstanding, would merit that kind of attention.
JPII was to billions of people the world over much more than GWB is to 59 million (or fewer) Americans…if his passing didn’t get this kind of attention, that would be proof that the corporate media is even worse off than any of us had imagined.
April 5th, 2005 at 4:59 pmSEAN HANNITY = SLANTHEAD
April 5th, 2005 at 6:07 pmTo play Devil’s Advocate, some may not like Hannity or his ilk because they often take other people’s quotes out of context and use single lines as soundbites. I don’t know who else Colmes included in his previous quote. He used the plural “these,” but the above quote only refers to a single individual
April 5th, 2005 at 6:25 pmHannity Calls Pope Jean Paul II a Liberal
April 5th, 2005 at 6:35 pmWe wonder how Sen. John Kerry can be labeled such an extreme liberal. Well, if they can label the Pope when it suits them, they can label any candidate we put forward.
I am SICK AND TIRED of hearing about the pope. I don’t think he was a great man, I have many problems with Christianity in any form and especially Catholicism. To me, they are the direct result of Satans hand. Most of the important things my religion teaches, Catholicism spits on. First off, remember the 1st Commandment… Though shall have no other G-ds before me. Make no graven images of G-d or the creatures of heaven…. THIS IS THE 1ST COMMANDMENT for heavens sake!!! What is wrong with those people!!!
The Pope was a sinner just like Christ was…
Enough… THERE IS ONLY ONE G-D… Shema Yisrael Adonai elohanu Adonai echad!!!
Heaven have mercy on those heathens..
April 5th, 2005 at 7:48 pmAl Franken got the greatest Sean Hannity hypocrisy over criticizing the commander in chief in time of war. Hannity went on and on about how you can’t do it, unpatriotic and the like, and Franken dropped all of Sean’s quotes blasting Clinton about Bosnia.
Hypocrisy– It’s what’s for breakfast.
April 5th, 2005 at 7:50 pmI’m sure John Paul II’s Boss is warming up a front row seat in the infernal regions for Mr Hannity and quite a number of his colleagues!
April 5th, 2005 at 11:58 pmI think you’ll be hard pressed to find anyone who is “pro-abortion”. It makes no sense.
April 6th, 2005 at 1:55 amhey michael. we never thought that the pope is a God. we believe in one God and his only son Jesus. u need to research it. fool. we also never created any other God but one. The Pope was very close to our God and Jesus that we also work for them. To keep this world together as possible. All Christians that are pastor, and ministers are working with God. so do the research. maybe u need to study more with your faith, if u have any. Remember all religion are attending his services and funeral. that include no christians.
April 6th, 2005 at 8:29 amHaving left the Church 35 years ago I would say that the praise lavished on the Pope is excessive. His ignoring of the plight of women in poor countries and their need to control family size is straight out of the 13th century. With the earth’s population at 6 billion and growing his refusal to consider the implications on the quality of life for everyone is ostrich-like. His refusal to more vigorously castigate the child abuse rampant in the Church is another black mark against him. Appointing Above the Law to Rome to get him out of Boston is another mistake. And if he’d threatened to withhold Communion from Catholics who participated in or voted for the illegal Iraq war we might not be still counting bodies over there. A very mixed performance in my opinion.
April 6th, 2005 at 8:51 am“For all the “culture of lifeâ€? talk, neither Bush nor the American Catholic Church seems to concerned about providing medical care, healthy food, decent housing or anything else to children after they are born. ”
Comment by sister of ye
Nonsense. Just do the tiniest bit of research and you’ll discover that Catholic related charities are among the largest providers of support in the very areas you mention.
April 6th, 2005 at 11:29 amWOW….SEAN SAID ‘YES’. ???? YES YOU MORONS, YES
April 6th, 2005 at 1:39 pm…Most of the important things my religion teaches, Catholicism spits on. First off, remember the 1st Commandment… Though shall have no other G-ds before me. Make no graven images of G-d or the creatures of heaven…THERE IS ONLY ONE G-D…
Comment by Michael
So I guess you don’t buy that whole “mystery of the Trinity” argument, eh, Michael? Ya know, I love it as much as the next agnostic when religious fanatics argue with each other. It’s like watching pro wrestling.
But, sadly, it is just a tad off-topic. We were talking about how Sean Hannity is a self-serving scumbag (The bit about the pope was just a pretext). How do you come down on that issue, Mikey?
April 6th, 2005 at 1:52 pmWhen Hannity raises his voice it’s a cue to his sound crew to lower the mike of his opponent.
April 7th, 2005 at 1:38 pmThis is hilarious! Did you know foxnews.com blocks archiving with robots.txt? I was hoping to find the transcript. Anyone have it?
April 7th, 2005 at 5:19 pmI find the right wing loves to condemn war if that war is against people who commit ethnic cleansing. You noitce guys like Mike ‘Savage’ , Sean Hanitty, Rush Limbaugh, et al, complaining about war if it isn’t one started by their guys for oil.
April 10th, 2005 at 11:29 pmThey are only for wars that are based on ‘let’s kill them all and take their stuff!’
If a liberal criticizes that kind of war because they don’t like that basis for foreign policy, well then they are unpatriotic, but no one got on any conservatives for their criticism about Bosnia, or Kosovo being unpatriotic! I wish someone in the public eye had done that, it would have been fun. I personally did that to an ex-boss of mine, and to other right wingers in my immediate vicinity, I have been over there, I know something about the place. It is lots of fun to nail these people for that stuff.
Clinton got accused of running a war that was based on ‘Wag the Dog’. That was wrong. It was a stupid comparison.
Incidentally ‘Wag the Dog’ was a really stupid film, it was poorly researched. It was not meant as serious political commentary and only a really ignorant person would base any comments on that film.
I got tired of that stuff a long time ago. . .
what I want to know is what does it talke for a right winger to be accused of not being a patriot? of not being a good American? It is their favorite thing to accuse liberals of, and I wish there’d be a witch hunt of them for lack of patriotism.
A good case can be made starting with some of the remarks Tom DeLay has made about judges.
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September 11th, 2005 at 7:52 pmJPII shamed the Catholic church with his patronage of church officials such as cardinal Law – not only sheparding him into a lucrative lifestyle but into a position of power where he continues to preside over important ceremonies.
This type of treatment of a man who sheltered and facilitated pedophiles in the church is obscene and is a testimony to the corruption and heresy in the catholic church. JPII through these actions encourages and accomodates sexual misconduct in the church. How can you argue other wise ?
Its sickening to hear the sactimonious drum beat of blind fools like “Ben” trumpeting the cause of the pope and the catholic church – The catholic church and most of the papacy are corrupt, ugly human beings and the catholic church is failing globally, thank god. Unfortunately its being replaced by the neo-con christian institutions.
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by Leonard Peikoff (December 2, 2005)
Summary: It is time to take the Christ out of Christmas, and turn the holiday into a guiltlessly egoistic, pro-reason, this-worldly, commercial celebration.
[www.CapMag.com] Christmas in America is an exuberant display of human ingenuity, capitalist productivity, and the enjoyment of life. Yet all of these are castigated as “materialistic”; the real meaning of the holiday, we are told, is assorted Nativity tales and altruist injunctions (e.g., love thy neighbor) that no one takes seriously.
In fact, Christmas as we celebrate it today is a 19th-century American invention. The freedom and prosperity of post-Civil War America created the happiest nation in history. The result was the desire to celebrate, to revel in the goods and pleasures of life on earth. Christmas (which was not a federal holiday until 1870) became the leading American outlet for this feeling.
Historically, people have always celebrated the winter solstice as the time when the days begin to lengthen, indicating the earth’s return to life. Ancient Romans feasted and reveled during the festival of Saturnalia. Early Christians condemned these Roman celebrations — they were waiting for the end of the world and had only scorn for earthly pleasures. By the fourth century, the pagans were worshipping the god of the sun on December 25, and the Christians came to a decision: if you can’t stop ‘em, join ‘em. They claimed (contrary to known fact) that the date was Jesus’ birthday, and usurped the solstice holiday for their Church.
Even after the Christians stole Christmas, they were ambivalent about it. The holiday was inherently a pro-life festival of earthly renewal, but the Christians preached renunciation, sacrifice, and concern for the next world, not this one. As Cotton Mather, an 18th-century clergyman, put it: “Can you in your consciences think that our Holy Savior is honored by mirth? . . . Shall it be said that at the birth of our Savior . . . we take time . . . to do actions that have much more of hell than of heaven in them?”
Then came the major developments of 19th-century capitalism: industrialization, urbanization, the triumph of science — all of it leading to easy transportation, efficient mail delivery, the widespread publishing of books and magazines, new inventions making life comfortable and exciting, and the rise of entrepreneurs who understood that the way to make a profit was to produce something good and sell it to a mass market.
For the first time, the giving of gifts became a major feature of Christmas. Early Christians denounced gift-giving as a Roman practice, and Puritans called it diabolical. But Americans were not to be deterred. Thanks to capitalism, there was enough wealth to make gifts possible, a great productive apparatus to advertise them and make them available cheaply, and a country so content that men wanted to reach out to their friends and express their enjoyment of life. The whole country took with glee to giving gifts on an unprecedented scale.
Santa Claus is a thoroughly American invention. There was a St. Nicholas long ago and a feeble holiday connected with him (on December 5). In 1822, an American named Clement Clarke Moore wrote a poem about a visit from St. Nick. It was Moore (and a few other New Yorkers) who invented St. Nick’s physical appearance and personality, came up with the idea that Santa travels on Christmas Eve in a sleigh pulled by reindeer, comes down the chimney, stuffs toys in the kids’ stockings, then goes back to the North Pole.
Of course, the Puritans denounced Santa as the Anti-Christ, because he pushed Jesus to the background. Furthermore, Santa implicitly rejected the whole Christian ethics. He did not denounce the rich and demand that they give everything to the poor; on the contrary, he gave gifts to rich and poor children alike. Nor is Santa a champion of Christian mercy or unconditional love. On the contrary, he is for justice — Santa gives only to good children, not to bad ones.
All the best customs of Christmas, from carols to trees to spectacular decorations, have their root in pagan ideas and practices. These customs were greatly amplified by American culture, as the product of reason, science, business, worldliness, and egoism, i.e., the pursuit of happiness.
America’s tragedy is that its intellectual leaders have typically tried to replace happiness with guilt by insisting that the spiritual meaning of Christmas is religion and self-sacrifice for Tiny Tim or his equivalent. But the spiritual must start with recognizing reality. Life requires reason, selfishness, capitalism; that is what Christmas should celebrate — and really, underneath all the pretense, that is what it does celebrate. It is time to take the Christ out of Christmas, and turn the holiday into a guiltlessly egoistic, pro-reason, this-worldly, commercial celebration.
Originally published in Capitalism Magazine in 1998. The content of this article was delivered annually at Christmas time on Peikoff’s radio show, starting in 1995.
About the Author: Dr. Peikoff was associate editor, with Ayn Rand, of The Objectivist and The Ayn Rand Letter (1971-76). He is author of Objectivism: The Philosophy of Ayn Rand. He is founder of the Ayn Rand Institute.
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