The Multiple Lies of David Horowitz
The Multiple Lies of David Horowitz
The Podesta site gives the following absurd examples of my alleged intellectual defamations and historical inaccuracies:
1. “He has freely compared American liberals to Islamic terrorists”
The statement is a lie. I have never compared actual liberals to Islamic terrorists. The reference link is to the Amazon site where my book Unholy Alliance: Radical Islam and the American Left is sold. Even the title gives the game away. It’s about Radical Islam and the American left. Is Podesta suggesting that American liberals are actually leftists?
VERSUS
Last fall I published a book called Unholy Alliance: Radical Islam and the American Left, which argued that the progressive left in the West was in a de facto alliance with the Islamic jihadists… I put up a website at www.discoverthenetworks.org demonstrating the links between radical Islam and American progressives organizationally and also their shared agendas (e.g., opposition to the Patriot Act, bleeding heart concern for the terrorists mercifully locked up in Guatanamo etc.) Just as sophisticated liberals (The New Republic comes to mind) ignored my book, so others ridiculed the website.
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That man is insane. When I first visited his site, DiscoverTheNutWork, I thought it was a parody. Subsequent actual attempts at a parody of it by some very funny and talented people, weren’t quite as good as the original. That’s funny.
May 31st, 2005 at 3:46 pmI don’t ONLY ignore his website or statements, I am quite happy ignoring HIM as he is such a putz.
May 31st, 2005 at 4:19 pmHmmm. American progressives such as myself also favor blue skies and cute little puppies, and oppose cannabalism and ritual pagan sacrifices. The vast majority of radical Islamic fundamentalists agree with these positions. Maybe ol’ Dave is on to something here.
May 31st, 2005 at 4:32 pmOne of the major black eyes the Democratic Party has given itself over the last few decades is the appearance of hating America and everything that America stands for….exploitation of labor, destruction of habitat, profiting from war, and eating to excess.
Much of the world sees us as spoiled, obese, indulgent individuals who are very ignorant of our own history and what takes place because of our own policies.
It’s tough to love America sometimes.
The progressives get further off track when they try to use the “poor man” as an excuse for pillaging the profits of the capitalists/military industrialists, (rich folks).
The “poor” people in America are not to be pitied; to the contrary, they are the envy of the world. Study after study shows that 2/3 of Americans are overweight, and this is slightly HIGHER among “poor” people. Most poor people in America have several tv’s at least one car, and they get free soda and ice cream from the extremely generous food stamp program.
Poor people tend to smoke cigarettes at a MUCH higher rate than regular folks who don’t get handouts.
It’s just hard to claim the poor are getting the shaft when they ….
1) pay zero income taxes
2) get free food and treats
3) get subsidized or free housing
4) have free medical care
etc.
The very BIGGEST DANGER to poor people in America is illness due to OVEREATING. Diabetes is rampant among poor people, and heart disease is much higher as well.
The Dems need a new victim to put up on the pedastal in their search for a reason to pillage the pockets of those richer than themselves.
May 31st, 2005 at 4:48 pmI hate my current government. Happy now? U.S. out of North America.
May 31st, 2005 at 5:00 pmYes, let’s starve the poor for their own good! You really are a boneheaded wingnut.
May 31st, 2005 at 5:01 pm“One of the major black eyes the Democratic Party has given itself over the last few decades is the appearance of hating America and everything that America stands for….exploitation of labor, destruction of habitat, profiting from war, and eating to excess”.
And what turnip truck did you just fall out of Buckshot? Everything listed above falls under this current administration’s program which is under the control of the Republicans…maybe except the part of eating to excess…
May 31st, 2005 at 5:22 pmWait a sec, Todd! He’s right! I have seen a poor guy with several TV’s in his stolen shopping cart(some corps private property). He just had no place to plug them in.
May 31st, 2005 at 5:24 pmLove how Buckshot always turns every topic and mean every topic into how the poor are trying to steal from the rich. Please get over it already and try to add something interesting.
May 31st, 2005 at 5:30 pmHe’s a classic!
May 31st, 2005 at 5:37 pmbig-ot – n. – One who is strongly partial to one’s own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.
May 31st, 2005 at 5:59 pmHey! Where can I get free housing, BS? Your house? Because if not, I don’t think it exists, unless you still live with your mom. Are you Norman Bates?
May 31st, 2005 at 6:09 pmThe poor fly private jets. The poor take 4 month vacations in Tahiti… every year. The poor eat filet mignon and lobster tail on Sundays, Mondays and Tuesdays. Wednesday through Saturday they eat dungeoness crab and prime rib. They have 8 foot screen home theaters with netflix DVD. I’ve seen it. They’re everywhere, even in Haiti. It’s all there. Rolls Royces, Mazeratis. Lamborghinis, the works. I was visiting one of the poor folk in Beverly Hills the other day next to the Clampett Mansion and they had four yachts in their driveway. It is amazing how much the poor have. The poor in America make the rich living in Swiss chateaus look like they are in need of a handout. The rich have even more here in America. I wish I were poor in America instead of the Swiss chateau I purchased just last week for 25 million Swiss Francs. I don’t even want any of that dirty American money. The filthy poor in America have all of that filthy money and don’t know how good they’ve got it.
“What does a man profit if he gains the whole world, but loses his soul?”
“It is no shame to be poor, to be ashamed of it is.” – Ben Franklin
Buckshot should be ashamed of himself when he suggests that the people who have died in the war in Iraq is that big of a deal.
Bucksnot will one day learn the hard way of how to conduct himself. Get a grip.
May 31st, 2005 at 6:09 pmMaybe this will help explain why certain people profess an unerring belief in their economic views:
By the 1820s and ’30s, this foundation had become increasingly troubling to free-trade advocates, who sought, in their study of political economy, not just an explanation of rapid change but a moral justification for their own wealth and for the outlandish sufferings endured by the new industrial poor. Smith, who scoffed at personal riches, offered no comfort here. In The Wealth of Nations, the shrewd man of business was not a hero but a hapless bystander. Ricardo’s work offered different but similarly troubling problems. Working from a basic analysis of the profits of land ownership, Ricardo concluded that the interests of different groups within an economyâ€â€owners, investors, renters, laborersâ€â€would always be in conflict with one another. Ricardo’s credibility with the capitalists was unquestionable: he was not a philosopher like Adam Smith but a successful stockbroker who had retired young on his earnings. But his view of capitalism made it seem that a harmonious society was a thing of the past: class conflict was part of the mod-ern world, and the gentle old England of squire and farmer was over.
The group that bridled most against these pessimistic elements of Smith and Ricardo was the evangelicals. These were middle-class reformers who wanted to reshape Protestant doctrine. For them it was unthinkable that capitalism led to class conflict, for that would mean that God had created a world at war with itself. The evangelicals believed in a providential God, one who built a logical and orderly universe, and they saw the new industrial economy as a fulfillment of God’s plan. The free market, they believed, was a perfectly designed instrument to reward good Christian behavior and to punish and humiliate the unrepentant.
At the center of this early evangelical doctrine was the idea of original sin: we were all born stained by corruption and fleshly desire, and the true purpose of earthly life was to redeem this. The trials of economic lifeâ€â€the sweat of hard labor, the fear of poverty, the self-denial involved in savingâ€â€were earthly tests of sinfulness and virtue. While evangelicals believed salvation was ultimately possible only through conversion and faith, they saw the pain of earthly life as means of atonement for original sin.* These were the people that writers like Dickens detested. The extreme among them urged mortification of the flesh and would scold anyone who took pleasure in food, drink, or good company. Moreover, they regarded poverty as part of a divine program. Evangelicals interpreted the mental anguish of poverty and debt, and the physical agony of hunger or cold, as natural spurs to prick the conscience of sinners. They believed that the suffering of the poor would provoke remorse, reflection, and ultimately the conversion that would change their fate. In other words, poor people were poor for a reason, and helping them out of poverty would endanger their mortal souls. It was the evangelicals who began to see the business mogul as an heroic figure, his wealth a triumph of righteous will. The stockbroker, who to Adam Smith had been a suspicious and somewhat twisted character, was for nineteenth-century evangelicals a spiritual victor.
http://www.mindfully.org/Industry/2005/Evangelical-Economics1may05.htm
May 31st, 2005 at 6:10 pm‘isn’t that big of a deal’
better to proof read.
May 31st, 2005 at 6:11 pmDe nada, Ron. We know what you meant. Well said.
May 31st, 2005 at 6:17 pmTo continue in the same vain as Ron, I feel grateful that someone like buckshot is sinking so much of his rational concern into the cause of keeping us informed of the insidious ways of the downtrodden and the destitute. They have some hell of a nerve, cleaning toilets, picking our vegetables and folding down our beds at the nearest Marriott while running around cashing in all those foodstamps, cigarettes hanging from their lower lips. It’s a travesty!
SJS,
You remind of my dog (and I trust nobody more so it’s a compliment) by always being here when I return, baring your teeth when necessary and never backing down from a challenge. Sometimes she gets a little slobber on my leg, but it wouldn’t be the same without her.
May 31st, 2005 at 6:48 pmTodd,
Your comment makes it appear that you are not aware that the Dems were in control for many years during the last several decades. Clinton – 8 years. Carter four years.
And during the Nixon/Ford/Reagan/Bush years, the Dems usually had a majority in at least one house. But you knew that, right?
Jay,
What are you talking about?
May 31st, 2005 at 6:58 pmGive it a rest about the poor and how they’re nothing more than parasites. It shows a true lack of compassion for your fellow man. Not everyone sits on the couch eating bob-bons and watching Jerry Springer all day. Not everyone that may not be as fortunate as you smokes and drinks their lives away. Stop painting the poor with just broad-brushed statements. It’s ignorant.
May 31st, 2005 at 7:18 pmSlobber!
May 31st, 2005 at 8:10 pmI guess slobber would be the literary equivalent of cussing out the opposition at every turn. I’m glad you’re on my side man, you bring something to the table (like facts) every day. Some times in a more “forceful” way than the rest of us :)
May 31st, 2005 at 8:24 pmNah, Jay, but thank you for the kind thought. I am a partisan hack and proud of it. My only redeeming grace is that I’m on the right side.
Buckshot and Tony, head on over to this site
http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2005/05/dont_cry_for_us.html
They have a digital cluebat for you.
May 31st, 2005 at 8:58 pmRight side. . .is there really such a thing? The crusaders thought that they were on the right side as well. The sides are subjective, and they boil down to “us” and “them.” Whenever “you” and “I” don’t see I to I, we become opposing “thems.”
June 1st, 2005 at 8:06 amBesides, weren’t we discussing Horowitz?
June 1st, 2005 at 8:06 amIt took awhile, but Horowitz finally came to his senses. When you rant from the left you get laid, but you don’t get paid. From the right you get paid, and you still get laid, even though you have to pay to get it.
June 1st, 2005 at 9:24 amWhaddaya mean? I rant from the left as well as the right, and I’ve yet to get laid doing either!!
“Time to buy a Corvette.”
June 1st, 2005 at 10:19 am-Dave Attell
Locke
Maybe you’re just too ugly at any price? :D
June 1st, 2005 at 10:31 amIt’s possible. . .hey!! ;)
June 1st, 2005 at 10:36 amI resemble that remark!
June 1st, 2005 at 10:37 amlol! Well hopefully, neither in body or spirit…
June 1st, 2005 at 10:41 amSometimes I wonder. . .I AM human you know. . .in my own way, of course.
June 1st, 2005 at 10:42 amIt’s high time we address that ugliness within ourselves. . .give it a voice and set it free. After all, denying it won’t make it go away, will it? And we’ve got stop taking ourselves so bloody seriously!
“Surely, you can’t be serious?”
June 1st, 2005 at 10:43 am“I AM serious. . .and don’t call me Shirley.”
“Besides, weren’t we discussing Horowitz?”
Excellent question. Which side is he on? Today? Which side was he on thirty years ago? Which side will he be on when the side he is on now is smashed into bits and ground into the dust? I was once young and didn’t know any better. I am probably atypical, but I have never flip flopped as a matter of convenience like Horowitz. He is a pig.
June 1st, 2005 at 1:06 pmWell, come to think of it, you have defined conservatism and the right pretty well. The sex, money, and power party. It’s still a gamble, a game of musical chairs, and you may regret you dalliance and fascination with it if the music stops in your later years and you find yourself without a chair. As Buckshot says, Good luck. I just don’t play musical chairs. It’s better to be on top or under the table in that game. I bet nneither of you are on top of the table. If you are, you will likely be what those fortunate enough to grab a chair when the music stops eat. I am happy with the table scraps that hit the floor. And when the ceiling caves in, I’ve got cover.
June 1st, 2005 at 1:17 pmPaul,
I guess the connection hadn’t dawned on me but you make a solid point here with the euphemism.
buckshot still hasn’t answered the question of what he does with his Alaska Permanent Fund Dividend check, being the paragon of rugged individualism that he is.
June 1st, 2005 at 8:13 pmHe is convinced of his own bullshit. He actually believes all progressives are obese, chainsmoking, poor people who don’t know any better, and spend all day on line at the 7-11 buying lottery tickets. Is he out of touch? What really pisses me off, what really sticks in my craw about his brand of ignorant bigotry. I know poverty, and homelessness. I work in the local homeless shelter, as a volunteer. I know poor people, personally, and I would rather spend time with most of them, not all, because far too many belong in long term facilities, but he would rather see them die on the streets. I will say it again. I hope he has a stroke, and dies.
June 2nd, 2005 at 8:05 pmSJS,
Do you like Howard Dean as the Democratic party chair? I love the guy because he doesn’t pull any punches and he speaks the truth. I went and saw him on the campaign trail prior to the hatchet job that Terry McCauliffe and the boys did on him, and he was electric (not to mention accessible, unlike the Pretender in Chief). Many of the Dems don’t like him in that position because he seeks to expose the lies and the corruption that runs rampant inside the beltway. I think that WE all need to find out which Dems subvert Dean from hear on out and make sure that they are aware that if they do, they will met with suspicion and opposition.
June 2nd, 2005 at 10:09 pmJay,
I like him fine, and wholeheartedly agree with you, but you are probably asking the wrong guy. I would vote for a Fidel Castro – Hugo Chavez ticket in a NY minute. Clean out the whole rotten rat’s nest, and then worry about the consequences later. But that’s another discussion. Dean will do fine. I don’t want a Republican party lite, but I think we have a difficult road ahead of us.
June 2nd, 2005 at 10:15 pmI’m with you on Chavez, man the Bushies want him dead. It drives them friggin crazy when they can’t force a coup in a country with that much oil, let alone Venezuela’s proximity to Midland….the democratic elections and his help to the country’s poor make Condi (and buckshot) twitch.
June 2nd, 2005 at 10:55 pmYou can’t call Bush a pendejo and get away with it. Not when it’s true and you happen to be the democratically elected head of an oil rich nation. “He (Saddam) tried to kill my Dad.” “He (Chavez) called me a pendejo.”
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