The conservative blogosphere, desperate to discredit the Downing Street Minutes, is abuzz with the ridiculous rumor that London Times reporter Michael Smith — who broke the DSM story — used to work for Mary Mapes at CBS. The extremely popular site Little Green Footballs breathlessly asks:
Is British reporter Michael Smith, who broke the Downing Street memo story…the same Michael Smith who was hired by Mary Mapes as a CBS assistant producer in the Rathergate scandal?
The rumor is repeated on right-wing blogs here, here, here, here and here.
It took me a grand total of one phone call to CBS to see if this rumor was true. The answer is no. The Michael Smith who used to work for Mary Mapes is not the same Michael Smith who writes for the London times.
Clearly, CBS is in on the conspiracy to spread more lies about our Great President just like they did with Dan Rather. They clearly are hiding the fact that both Michael Smiths are the same person but they don’t want to be caught by all the good patriotic bloggers who found them out. I don’t understand why you liberals are too stupid to understand this.
June 20th, 2005 at 12:50 pmStay in denial Ass, thats your poragavtive..Us intelligent folks prefer the truth and will continue seeking it.
Michael Smith, how many Michael Smiths are there in the world? Couple million?
June 20th, 2005 at 1:08 pmLook, it’s an understandable mistake. With a name as unusual as “Michael Smith,” who could’ve ever guessed that there might be more than one of them?
June 20th, 2005 at 1:08 pmGrasping for straws…
June 20th, 2005 at 1:20 pmI am hoping that assrockest comments are meant in a sarcastic way.
June 20th, 2005 at 1:24 pmThe conservative blogosphere is merely aiding an abetting a Bush White House intent on manufacturing the news.
From rented reporters, purchased pundits, and rigged rallies to scripted sessions, fake news and pseudo-science, an unapologetic White House has sought to alter public perceptions to control political debate - and reality itself.
June 20th, 2005 at 1:30 pmBut is the London Times’ Michael Smith is the same person as Michael W. Smith, the Dove Award winning Christian singer.
After all they have the same common name!
June 20th, 2005 at 1:35 pmFunny thing about “Rathergate”, while the papers may not have been on the up and up, no one ever said what they say wasn’t true.
Bush lied, now on cue, the republicans are doing it over and over and over.
June 20th, 2005 at 1:38 pmImagine wasting several critical months of media coverage on this FARCE of a story, confusing the “easily confused” so the Busheviks can try to sweep it under the rug.
June 20th, 2005 at 1:43 pmMonday Quandry - So Many Links, So Little Time
June 20th, 2005 at 1:46 pmLots of feedback for the WB42 5:30 Report with Doug Krile. Monday’s selection of blogs is good, but the online list is even bigger and better.
Gee, the registration page to post on LGF is closed. Odd…
June 20th, 2005 at 1:51 pmkindness #8,
You are absolutely correct..Rather reported the truth he just didn’t have the documents to prove it.
Remember a short time ago Time retracted the story about the Koran abuse…That story is also true.
This administration is controling the media because the media is run by a bunch of sissy’s.
Blogs rule!
June 20th, 2005 at 1:55 pmJust to correct your claim about the two Michael Smith’s, I think you missed the point that at least I felt is was just serendipitus irony. I clearly stated the Mapes Smith lived in Texas.
June 20th, 2005 at 1:56 pmIrony be damned, you did it to screw the issue. Weak-ass excuse.
June 20th, 2005 at 2:02 pmThe Bush Cabal and the neocons must keep on lying, if they were to begin to tell the truth, nobody would believe them. It’s a caught 22.
They will cry wolf until the wolf comes and eats them. Too bad, but that’s what happens when you use lies, trickery, deceit, obfuscation and propaganda to ruin a country.
The wolf is at the door. Crying wolf all of the time only works for so long. Sooner or later, nobody will answer the call for help.
You can fool some of the people all of the time. You can fool all of the people some of the time. But, you can’t…
The dern fools. What else can they expect? Eggs in their bier?
June 20th, 2005 at 2:20 pmDan Rather is the messenger that got shot.
June 20th, 2005 at 2:22 pmRather was set up, but misplaced his backbone.
June 20th, 2005 at 2:25 pmThere are many who lost their backbones in the rush to emulate Faux-News (aka: Fox). I’m constantly appalled at the conservatives “chowing” Jim Lehrer’s News Hour on a nearly nightly basis.
Don’t the konservatives have enough media outlets?
June 20th, 2005 at 2:34 pmJust remember: It’s not a lie if you believe it.
June 20th, 2005 at 2:35 pmMissed it by that much
June 20th, 2005 at 2:37 pmThe blog-right woke up this morning certain they had another Memogate in the proverbial can. Blogs for Bush. Little Green Footballs. All their minions out this morning with one message: the Downing Street memos are a fake, because the the…
Hey Assrocket,
June 20th, 2005 at 2:48 pmThis is beginning to look like a regular cabal.
http://www.michaelsmithmusic.com/
http://www.msfhr.org/
http://www.themichaelsmith.com/
philrsss.anu.edu.au/~msmith/
almaz.com/nobel/chemistry/1993b.html
nobelprize.org/chemistry/ laureates/1993/smith-autobio.html
my.webmd.com/content/Biography/7/1756_53096.htm
http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~smith/
http://www.foodtv.ca/ tv/ hosts/ hostdetails/ host_23495.asp
http://www.bcgsc.ca/
And that’s just from page 1 of 84 pages of Michael Smith.
Why don’t you just go rant with your fellow pinheads over at whatever right wing psycho blog you usually go to?
The White House (Rove, Card, etc) know how much trouble is brewing around Iraq, Downing St. Etc and you can be sure that there will be a flurry of false documents, leaks, spin etc. deployed to stanch the bleeding. They will try to collar those who propagate the truth courageously by setting up the messenger so that the message can be destroyed, a la Dan Rather, Koran flush, etc.
They play dirty and they play to win. They are losing right now so expect the onslaught to be furious.
IMHO, they have very little credibility remaining and this horse cannot be put back in the barn. Keep the HEAT on THEM!
June 20th, 2005 at 2:49 pmAlso of some slight importance to this story is that TWO “senior British government officials” CONFIRMED the authenticity of the memos to Newsweek.
June 20th, 2005 at 2:57 pmI doubt that the Killian memo Michael Smith and the Downing Street Memo Michale Smith are one and the same, but it doesn’t matter. The Downing Street Memo Smith has admitted that the memos are forged.
June 20th, 2005 at 3:02 pmFootballers must be very disappointed.
June 20th, 2005 at 3:10 pmThe Dread Pundit Bluto must have scored a whopping 100 on his SAT reading comprehension section.
June 20th, 2005 at 3:11 pmNo joke Say What? Copying the data (not CHANGING it) is not forgery. The facts and the details remain unchallenged and in fact have been corroborated by intelligence sources and have not been denied by Blair or Bush. When are these nitwits going to stop with the smoke and mirrors and admit that they’ve been manipulated and lied to like everyone else has?
June 20th, 2005 at 3:16 pmRight Wing Bloggers Thwarted
June 20th, 2005 at 3:19 pmVia Think Progress’s work.
Sorry you have no sense of humor skid. All the ‘right’ needs is for Michael Smith to keep talking. He is the one making all the news. Stop blaming the messenger and try and focus on what is happening. This two smith issue is irrelevant, and everyone seems to understand that. OK, well almost everyone.
June 20th, 2005 at 3:27 pmJay. And you know the data in the forgeries are accurate because…the forger claims they are?
Boy, have I got a real estate deal for you!
Say What? - buy a dictionary.
June 20th, 2005 at 3:27 pmDPB,
“The AP obtained copies of six of the memos (the other two have circulated widely). A senior British official who reviewed the copies said their content appeared authentic. He spoke on condition of anonymity because of the secret nature of the material.”
“forgery
n 1: a copy that is represented as the original [syn: imitation, counterfeit] 2: criminal falsification by making or altering an instrument with intent to defraud”
June 20th, 2005 at 3:37 pmHe clearly stated he retyped them to protect his sources.
I have a dictionary and I also know how you pathetic right wingers try to win by intimidation and insults.
It doesn’t work any longer, son. Your political salad days are just about over.
What kind of crazy stuff are you going to say next? That lying and getting 1700 decent American soldiers, marines and sailors killed because of some personal agenda is not as bad as lying about getting a blow job?
Go back to your bitter little life.
Sorry AJ, but this and dead soldiers because of a lie isn’t shits and giggles for respectable human beings.
It would help if these bozos would READ the DSMs because then they would understand that the ORIGINALS were copied and destroyed because they gave indication as to WHO leaked them. That’s a bit much to ask I guess, from immitation-based monkeys. Comprende?
June 20th, 2005 at 3:40 pmBluto,
To be quite honest, the Downing Street documents are nothing but more evidence for the impeachment and the war crimes trials. If you’ve been paying attention to anything outside of Fox News and rightwing radio, you might actually have a clue about how badly you’ve been misled. There are so many dots that have already been connected that honest Americans can no longer stomach all the sleaze and lies. You are just in denial or completely out of touch with reality. You are also accomplice to their crimes.
On the day that Bush and his crew are convicted, we will all take a deep breath and thank the truthtellers for fighting to restore some semblance of the America that we all knew and loved.
June 20th, 2005 at 3:49 pmn 1: a copy that is represented as the original
Very good, Say What? the first step is admitting you have a problem. Now step away from the liberal ideologues.
Jay. The AP obtained copies of six of the forgeries. Smith admitted creating them and claimed to have destroyed the originals, though in an alternate account, he claimed to have returned them to his source.
So Jay, we have admitted forgeries allegedly authenticated by…a confidential source.
That real estate deal is really, really good. Interested?
June 20th, 2005 at 6:21 pmDPB, whats wrong you bought the Brooklyn Bridge and now you want your money back?
June 20th, 2005 at 6:53 pmForget it sucker!
HELLO DREAD-
June 20th, 2005 at 6:56 pmCheck #32 again… Read it slowly if you must…
So all those transcripts of the Nixon tapes were also forgeries, DPB?
Now that you mention it, any copy of anything is a forgery. And since you’re only reading a copy of my post on your computer screen…
June 20th, 2005 at 7:27 pmAny definition of the word forgery includes some reference to either “false” or “counterfeit”….copied is not forged, end of story. Once again the defenders of the Bush administration are trying to play semantic games. It’s over Bluto, this bullshit isn’t flying with the American people anymore and I think you know it. Quibbling over the definition of the word forgery is akin to smearing John Kerry for not bleeding enough to deserve a purple heart. It misses the point entirely by distracting from the spirit of the argument, which was that Kerry had the guts to go to Vietnam (unlike some of are more prominent Republicans who shall be left unnamed).
I just saw Michale Smith on Hardball and he stated clearly that the documents were photocopied (as the originals could not be released) and as advised by counsel they were re-typed after that. He confirmed that NOBODY has questioned the authenticity of the memo’s.
I think it’s safe to say that this case is closed no matter how hard the wingnuts try to spin it.
June 20th, 2005 at 7:57 pmBluto,
Just checked out your site and I have to tell you that it boggles my mind that someone that has the time, the interest and technical savvy to dedicate a website to political issues isn’t catching on to the fraud that is the Republicans and the Bushies. Dude, come on, you seem to be an intelligent guy. What is it? I’ve got to know. Is it that your dad served and you are one of these guys that buys into the GI Joe mentality that glorifies war and killing and all US militaristic endeavors are good and honorable?
Is it greed? Are you getting paid to prop up the BIG LIES? Are you a major shareholder in Halliburton/KBR or GE?
You’re not stupid. Can someone with access to all of the data that the internet provides be so blinded by political loyalty and ideology?
Help me understand.
June 20th, 2005 at 8:22 pmDon’t believe the right wing lies from LGF. The Downing Street memos prove Bush cooked up the war. We need peace and justice! Let’s undo the lies. Put Saddam back in office. Saddam can go back to gassing villagers, and Kofi Anan can go back to taking oil bribes. All will be right with the world again.
June 20th, 2005 at 8:50 pmFellas,
I’m here in Germany and the presence of Karl Rove and Halliburton is omnipresent even this far. Schroeder needed the oil to transport the weapons hardware he was selling to the Hussein regime. Even though Tony Blair is not American, he was getting oil contracts for friends in Iraq as a result of attacking Iraq. Jose Maria Azner was the leader of a weak country with a weak economy, which desperately needs to be in good favors with Brusseles, but neverthless he was also doubtlessly working with Halliburton. Good thing that Zapatero was able to do the right thing - to reject the Halliburton deals and and to leave the Iraqis to their own devices with the freedom fighters or the Baathists (both are fine - who are we to judge, right? Yet, Bush = Hitler, American soldiers in Gitmo = Nazis, Israel = Apartheid South Africa, and Gitmo = Gulag)
By the way, was it Charles who connected the two Michael Smiths or one of the random posters at LGF?
June 20th, 2005 at 8:56 pmHey Gnoam, Saddam did nothing without tacit approval from the CIA and the DoD, he was our evil puppet dictator before he and Bin Ladin replaced the “Communists” as the perpetual, lurking evil that must be defeated at all costs. The war machine is hungry and it needs sustenance.
I suppose you’d prefer an endless state of war instead of peace, right tough guy.
June 20th, 2005 at 9:01 pmLooky here! I found a memo that says Hillary Clinton is boinking Nancy Pelosi! No, you can’t see the original memo. I retyped it. No, you can’t check my source, my source is confidential, codenamed “DeepThroat” Just take my word for it, I’ve retyped a memo that PROVES Hillary is piledriving Nancy with a 12 inch strap-on of Democratic l-o-v-e.
June 20th, 2005 at 9:05 pmThere seems to be an epidemic of ‘fake but accurate’ memos circulating right now…Daring Dick Durbin has one, there’s still the mystery of Rather’s Killian memos and now there’s the ‘Downing Street Memo’ who’s author (created them from originals, returned the originals and then destroyed his copies) but they’re accurate…if you know what I mean!
June 20th, 2005 at 9:06 pmWhy did I lose the election to that guy?
June 20th, 2005 at 9:07 pmI’m not getting the significance of the DSM. It’s one British guy writing what another British guy says some unnamed Administration officials thought the President was thinking. And this is supposed to be evidence????
June 20th, 2005 at 9:08 pmLike Jay, I am sure this will bring McChimpy Halliburhitler down. I have no doubt. Just like the Gannon story, which was the greatest scandal in the history of all mankind. That really damaged Bush sooooo much.
June 20th, 2005 at 9:11 pmYeah, Jay, there was peace throughout the world before Bush started the war for oil. Even, in New York City, at the World Trade Center, on 9/11, there was peace.
If only the CIA, Haliburton, Dick Cheney and the JOOOOS hadn’t flown jets into the World Trade Center, there would peace today.
June 20th, 2005 at 9:11 pmNice…you all got your panties up in a bunch over a RE-TYPE of a COPY of a “Memo” of which the original no longer exists…and yet you insist that the authenticity can’t possibly be questioned? Are you serious?
June 20th, 2005 at 9:16 pmHey 43-48 bring something constructive to the table instead of making stupid statements when you know you lost the argument. As for the memos I don’t have enough information either way but I do think that there’s enough evidence for impeachment. Reasons like ten thousand dead Iraqis and more than 1000 deas US soldiers dead all justified by a lie and we can prove it. Take that.
June 20th, 2005 at 9:19 pmOh, I’m all in favor of Bush’s impeachment. Hail to the Chief - President DICK CHENEY.
You people would never come out from under your beds then.
June 20th, 2005 at 9:22 pmMaybe Canada should step in with the UN and commit the entire admin to the war crimes tribunal in hague
June 20th, 2005 at 9:23 pmThat’s right, they are going down.
June 20th, 2005 at 9:23 pmJustin: I see you are one of those enlightened men who supports undoing Bush’s lies and putting Saddam back in office. Warm up the Iraqi industrial shredders! Fill Saddam’s jets up with poison gas! Dig more mass graves for Iraqi political protesters! Paint more murals of Saddam like this: http://littlegreenfootballs.com/ weblog/ ?entry=16299_Saddam_Hates_Froot_Loops&only
June 20th, 2005 at 9:24 pmJustin, put the bong down and try to enter reality: Bush will not be impeached. Valerie Plame, “yellowcake”, Gannon, idiotic retypes of copies of memos - all just farts in the windstorm of Iraqi freedom.
Let’s face it - Bush is smarter than you (admittedly, that’s not saying much, I know,…,)
June 20th, 2005 at 9:26 pmGG yer a moron. One does not correlate to the other. But since we are on the topic. Where is your outrage over North Korea? how about communist china? Syria? Iran? Huh? I’m sure they’re much more benign than Saddam ever was. that monster. Why aren’t we there?
June 20th, 2005 at 9:27 pmGnoam, we will all be pointing at you and your buddies when it’s time to pay the piper. YOU are among those responsible for killing this democracy. Hope you can be proud of that. Jackass.
June 20th, 2005 at 9:27 pmHey if you can make stupid comments I can too. And I don’t do drugs unlike the crack you guys are smoking
June 20th, 2005 at 9:27 pmHonest question to the Bush supporters. Why aren’t you in Iraq fighting your war? Answer the question.
June 20th, 2005 at 9:28 pmI don’t understand why you liberals get your panties in such a bunch over the “DSMs”. They merely speak to a point that is not really an issue anymore; and their dubious authenticity only decreases the the chances they will have any effect on people with an opposing view point.
The bottom line is that, for better or worse, the USA is the only country with the balls and the ability to combat the scourge known as “radical” islam. We make mistakes, we are not perfect, but we are right in our resolve. The sooner you liberals sack up and realize what is going on in the world, the sooner you can be part of the solution rather than part of the problem.
June 20th, 2005 at 9:28 pmUmm yes. The only country with the balls to attack radical christianity… whoops I mean Islam. If by that you mean violating another country’s sovereignty which is illegal btw.
June 20th, 2005 at 9:30 pmJustin: We are concerned about those countries. So what do you want us to do? Invade them all? You’d scream your bloody head off if we did.
What do YOU think we should do about North Korea? Negotiate with them like your buddy Jimmah Peanut did? Yeah, that worked real well.
I suppose it is wrong to have fought Hitler; after all we didn’t get rid of Stalin too. Justin logic: We can’t fight ALL evil dictators, so let’s not fight ANY of them. Pass me that blunt and I’m sure peace will come soon!
June 20th, 2005 at 9:32 pmImpeachment is coming! The American public will see to it that the crimes of the Bushies are punished. Bush is a war criminal and should be in prison for the remainder of his life.
They let 9/11 happen to justify their perpetual war-profiteering, oil-grabbing, global dominance foreign policy.
June 20th, 2005 at 9:33 pmClue. Get one. Ever heard of diplomacy. War is supposed to be the LAST resort. NOT THE FIRST.
June 20th, 2005 at 9:34 pmIf you’re so impassioned with freeing Iraqis then grab yer gun and GO.
Jay: Duh, they don’t accept people over 35 in the military, doofus. I have friends and relatives over there and they believe in what they’re doing.
Did you ever ask yourself why the people who ARE doing the fighting over there overwelmingly supported Bush?
June 20th, 2005 at 9:35 pmAnd your stupid characature of me smoking dope is really pretentious and stupid of you since I told youI don’t do drugs you moron. Obviously watching all that pro wrestling has impaired your hearing.
June 20th, 2005 at 9:35 pmcluestick,
Small minds think alike. Wake up from your rightwing stupor and start to face the facts brother. You are a stooge and have been duped by those you trusted most. How does it feel to be a tool?
June 20th, 2005 at 9:36 pmJustin: Not too bright, are you? See my reply to your fellow doofus.
Geez, if this is the left, I have high hopes for 2006!
June 20th, 2005 at 9:36 pmDid they clue? Did you ask them yourself? Where’s yer proof. I forgot. Right wingers don’t need it. They’ll just wish it and it’ll be true
June 20th, 2005 at 9:36 pmJustin: Don’t worry, Bush will invade Syria and Iran quite soon.
I know you’d rather let the Iranians build a nuclear arsenal, but Bush is not going to give Muslim terrorists a chance to nuke New York.
June 20th, 2005 at 9:37 pmI AM CANADIAN. You moron.
June 20th, 2005 at 9:37 pmThe difference between the right and the left is the right stopped seriously thinking about the Michael Smith name coincidence after 30 minutes or so. They entertained the idea for a while (it was fun!) then dropped it because there was no evidence and, let’s be honest, it was the sort of goofy coincidence only a raving lunatic liberal would embrace. The left, on the otherhand, still think the Dan Rather fake memo’s were valid.
June 20th, 2005 at 9:37 pmjay, justin, you guys are clueless. its people like you who let Hitler come to power and enabled the likes of stalin and mao.
June 20th, 2005 at 9:38 pmG.G
Well I’ll wait for North Korea to do it for them then.
June 20th, 2005 at 9:38 pmJay: Nobody needs to “kill” the democracy. KERRY LOST. GET OVER IT. YOU LOST THE ELECTION. That’s democracy :-)
June 20th, 2005 at 9:38 pmI used to be a liberal. My sincerest thanks to both of you for reminding me how wise I was when I started voting for the GOP!
June 20th, 2005 at 9:38 pmI pity the day you stopped caring for other people then clue
June 20th, 2005 at 9:39 pmoh justin is Canadian… how does it feel to be completely irrelevant?
June 20th, 2005 at 9:39 pmOver 35? Doubtful. Adults don’t need to pretend.
The military families do as they’re told. It’s up to us to fight like hell if they’ve been betrayed, which they have.
By the way, due to the recruiting shortage they’ve waived the 35year limit. Good news for you. Send me your email address and I’ll get a recruiter in touch immediately. They really appreciate the gung-ho ones.
June 20th, 2005 at 9:40 pmMy society is better than yours!
June 20th, 2005 at 9:40 pmAnd it was Canadians who helped out in the major calamaties of today. The tsunami and darfur most recently. what have you done?
June 20th, 2005 at 9:41 pmOh Right! you supported a war that killed tens of thousands! HA
June 20th, 2005 at 9:41 pmBoy, this Hillary Clinton - Nancy Pelosi - sapphic love memo that I retyped is HOT!
“Oooh! Hillary! Give me some Hillary-care!”
“Beg for it! Beg for my big government intervention up your hiney, Nancy!”
“Yess! Hilly, fill my booty with your tumescent tax increase!”
Hillary thrust deeper. . .
It’s all true. I’ve got the retyped memos to prove it.
June 20th, 2005 at 9:43 pmcantankerous
Hell, they’re still whining about the 2000 election being “stolen”
June 20th, 2005 at 9:43 pmJustin is Canadian. He can’t vote here, thank God.
He can only screw up his own country further. Hey Justin, don’t come down here when you are scheduled for an MRI and the earliest they can fit you in is the year 2017. Oh, I know, it’s “free.”
June 20th, 2005 at 9:43 pmI wonder where all these morons came from anyway? Don’t they have something better to do?
June 20th, 2005 at 9:43 pmName for me ONE single thing that Bush has either done right or not lied about. I’ll give you a clue. There is NO answer to that question. Sad, sad wingnuts. What the hell are you doing here? Isn’t Hannity on?
June 20th, 2005 at 9:43 pmOh well at least I can get medical care UNLIKE HALF YOUR POPULATION
June 20th, 2005 at 9:44 pmLook, just stating that I called CBS and they said it was not so, is not proof. You have to do better than that to disprove the assertion, if you set out to do so.
June 20th, 2005 at 9:45 pmAnd Canada is running a surplus. What are you running? A DEFICIT! We’re the most multicultural countries in the world without major outbreaks of racism and one of the most respected countries internationally. Oh heaven forbid that there be more countries like us.
June 20th, 2005 at 9:46 pmAnytime you wingnuts want to have a serious debate, just pick the topic. EVERYTHING you clowns say has either been disproven or discredited. Regurgitate rightwing talking points. You’ve all been brainwashed….sad really.
June 20th, 2005 at 9:47 pmJay
Come on, due your duty. You must sign up with al Qaeda and fight this illegal war that Chimpy McBushHitlerburton has started for oil and Halliburton. I’m sure Zarkawi doesn’t have any age requirements.
June 20th, 2005 at 9:47 pmWhy is the onus on us. Prove to US that it’s fake.
June 20th, 2005 at 9:47 pm“Aiee! Hillary! Yesss! You’re globally warming my Kyoto! Don’t stop now! Unnngh!!”
June 20th, 2005 at 9:48 pmOh G.G. Your fits of stupidity can take place elsewhere.
June 20th, 2005 at 9:49 pmThe vast majority of the soldiers in Iraq know they’ve been lied to now and that is the primary reason that this war is lost. Nice job chimpy.
June 20th, 2005 at 9:49 pmMilitary families do what they’re told? What a insult to the intelligence of military families. What contempt you hold them in. Don’t even pretend that you care about them.
Justin, untrue about the tsunami. The Canucks squawked a lot and acted holier than thou (you guys have a talent for that!) but your aid wasn’t even delivered due to UN red tape. In the meantime, American troops were helping people in the tsunami areas while the UN was sitting with their thumbs up their butts - because they couldn’t deliver the aid (and undoubtably because Kofi and Co, were skimming off the top.)
You see, Americans actually DO, other countries (the Aussies excepted) sit there and make santimonious noises.
June 20th, 2005 at 9:49 pmJustin - prove to US that my Hillary-Nancy-lesbo memo is fake. It’s just as credible as the Downing Street memos. Retyped, from an anonymous source.
June 20th, 2005 at 9:51 pmRiight. Prove it clue. Where’s the proof. Just cuz you say so doesn’t make it so. We donated over 100 million in aid. I know that for a fact. In fact look it up on the goverment of Canada’s website
June 20th, 2005 at 9:51 pmWhere’s the original document GG?
June 20th, 2005 at 9:52 pmOr even the retyped one?
June 20th, 2005 at 9:52 pmclueless,
You know that the military will take all comers to fight now that the Bush admin has been exposed as a lying, criminal enterprise and can’t meet recruiting goals. It’s time to stop typing and start training. It is the height of hypocrisy to support a war from the comfort of you’re computer. I think you’re a coward.
June 20th, 2005 at 9:53 pmI agree with Jay
June 20th, 2005 at 9:54 pm“Hillary baby! Impeach my oval orfice with your pumping blue helmet of piecekeeping!”
“Ok, my little Pelosi, hold on to your ankles!”
June 20th, 2005 at 9:55 pmFace the music you cowardly frauds.
June 20th, 2005 at 9:56 pmWas that the photocopied version? I’m sure your journalistic integrity is beyond reproach. And you’ve had people look at it and say that it doesn’t look tampered at first glance.. but I can’t wait. I must know now! I can’t pay attention that long!
June 20th, 2005 at 9:57 pmYeah go to the war you guys love so much. Help free (see kill) Iraqis!
June 20th, 2005 at 9:57 pmThe little green fvcktards really are pissin’ razor blades and shittin’ bricks. I hope it hurts bad.
June 20th, 2005 at 9:57 pmJustin, sorry to rain on your parade but we Canadian did next to nothing for the Tsunami victims.
Our quick response team was weeks behind with little or no equipment while the Americans, yes the evil Bush led Americans, as well as the Aussies (and Japanese if I remember correctly) were there within days. Bush immediately sent over an entire carrier group to help lend support (do you have any idea how much fresh water a carrier group is capable of creating) and USAID provided the majority of supplies (even though the UN attempted to hijack and rebrand their effort to ‘avoid confusion’).
While the UN (and Canadians) sat around discussing the best course of action the Americans were on the ground providing fresh drinking water and supplies to the needy.
Don’t let your overblow ego taint the facts. Canada has not be a major player on the world stage for years. Sad but true.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:01 pmOf course, just like the AP or the New York Times, I had the Hillary-Strap-ons-Nancy memos “authenticated” by several unnamed “experts” and “academics” from respected Ivy League institutions and Penthouse Magazine.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:02 pmWell name them GG!
June 20th, 2005 at 10:03 pmOh how horrible that we try to treat all people with respect. Bic. I know we did donate that 100 million or more in aid. I donated close to 1000 myself. Anyhow. We’re not scared of anyone but the Americans actually. We wish we had our continent to ourselves.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:05 pmI agree, this is fun. And I’m not angry at all! I’m having a great time laughing at your endless stupidity!
That’s the only reason I’m hanging around. Don’t think you’re important enough to be angry with:-D
June 20th, 2005 at 10:06 pmAnd the general who led the (yes underfunded and understaffed) missin to rwanda was Canadian too.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:06 pmI’m not angry. I’m just wondering why you are here instead of fighting in Iraq for your values
June 20th, 2005 at 10:07 pmcluestick = fraudulent coward.
You have no credibility.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:07 pmThe second in command in the Iraq war was also a Candian General. Does that in any way change your view.
I’m guessing not.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:08 pmYeah, Justin, your $1000 is sitting in Ottawa - doing nobody any good at all - but you feel sooooo good about it.
That’s all that really matters to the left - your precious little “feelings.” You don’t give a damn if that money actually does any good or not - you just want to pat yourself on the back.
Such hypocrites!
June 20th, 2005 at 10:09 pmAnd I love my country. I wish it was more left though. Oh well it’ll happen soon.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:09 pmWell why aren’t you in Iraq clue! I can apply the same label to you! I donated to the Red Cross btw. And prove the money is in ottawa. Really. Prove it.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:10 pmBecause the way I understand was that the gvt would match any donations we made to CHARITY to that charity too. I guess they all report to Ottawa :P
June 20th, 2005 at 10:11 pmAnswer the question dammit! Why are you shooting off your mouth and not an M-16?
June 20th, 2005 at 10:11 pmThey were pleading for less cash donations by the end since they had too much $$$ and not enough supplies.
Money is not the cure all for everything. At some point you need a physical presence to get the job done.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:12 pmJustin, clearly you didn’t read my post #111. Yeah, so your country goes more to the left - who cares? It’s not like I’m sitting around all worried about what friggin’ Canada is gonna do.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:13 pmThat’s fair bic. So what were you doing?
June 20th, 2005 at 10:13 pmYou’re avoiding the topic clue. Why aren’t you in Iraq?
June 20th, 2005 at 10:14 pmBy your same twisted logic, why aren’t you over in Iraq standing in front of an tank right now instead of posting here?
June 20th, 2005 at 10:14 pmPhony, fraudulent hypocrites. All of them.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:15 pmWhy? I’m not supporting the war. I guess that means you’re against foreign aid. I see. If you’re Canadian you should be ashamed of yourself.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:15 pmActually I did help out. But all the fun jobs were taken :( I had to sort donation slips.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:16 pmIn the tsunami that is
June 20th, 2005 at 10:16 pmJay, you’re a bonehead. Do you know how to read? I said I’m over 35.
Judging by your responses, I’m thinking you’re about 16 (emotionally if not physically) but I still don’t know why you’re here. Al-Queda has no age restrictions that I know of.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:16 pm“I think they’re in the last throes, if you will, of the Bushevik hypocracy.”
The increased number of attacks against truth, democracy and freedom by the right-wing butt-trumpeteers goose-stepping to Wagner correlates to the Insurgency at the moment.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:17 pmBut Clue! The army has waived that rule :) so you’re free to go. Why aren’t you going now?
June 20th, 2005 at 10:17 pmTwisted logic? What’s so twisted about fighting in a war that you strongly believe in? These are the same assholes that run around with flags and ribbons on their pick-ups and Hummers and talk tough about how the Dems and progressives are “soft” on our enemies. It’s f&*%ing ridiculous. Bush, Cheney, Perle, Wolfowitz, Ashcroft, chickenhawks all. They claim to be the party that’s strong on national defense, so why don’t they put up or shut up?
June 20th, 2005 at 10:18 pmI’m not quite sure what question #130 is in response to Justin.
Simple question (following your logic that you cannot support the war without actually going over and fighting): how can you oppose the war without flying over there and stepping in front of the tanks to prevent them from moving ahead?
Apparently to you guys, anything less is just not acceptable.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:20 pmWhy aren’t Jay and Justin fighting in Iraq? It’s a moral imperative that they do so to fight against this illegal war started by Chimpy McBushHitlerburton. Get to training boys, there are plenty of terrorist training camps in the Middle East.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:20 pmThey will take you if you’re over 35….believe me. Call the local recruiting office if you support the war…..well, support the war tough guy.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:20 pmWell no I’m not saying that. But what do you do anyway? Donate? If not then why knock people who do? You can’t just poo poo an idea without offering a solution Bic
June 20th, 2005 at 10:21 pmAccording to Justin, only members of the military are allowed to support the use of force. If you are a civilian who supports using force, Justin says you are automatically a hypocrite.
I’m not even going to bother pointing out why this is wrong. But I will point out that since 9/11/01 the war is not just in Iraq. The war is HERE, too.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:22 pmJust because I don’t support the war doesn’t make me a terrorist. It’s not either or CI. There are shades of grey. Take the blinders off.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:22 pmNo, I am considerably over 35. BTW, the “why don’t you go?” has to be the most braindead argument of all time. Were people on the homefront in WWII “chickenhawks” because they supported the war but didn’t go? Dumbasses.
I have donated time and money to supporting the troops, and unlike you guys, I actually know some of them. They love Bush and hate cowardly, ball-less leftist twinks like you.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:23 pmGG. PLEASE POINT OUT WHY IT’S WRONG. I look forward to hearing it.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:23 pmSomething concerns me about this whole memo thing. Its authenticity has been neither confirmed nor denied yet the left wing is running amuck as if it’s gospel.
You can’t honestly take this Downing Street Memo seriously considering other memos that have arised in the past. Everything has to be taken with a grain of salt.
But, I know that my words are falling on deaf ears. The second I say I’m for the President everyone on the left goes into attack mode and doesn’t reflect on what I’ve written they just start babbling on and on about stretched-truths and how President Bush is going to ruin the world.
I used to like Democrats until Durbin, Kennedy, Byrd, Kerry, and Hilary Clinton took charge and started attacking the American way of life in all forms.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:23 pmBut it would be great if Justin would stand up for his beliefs and stand in front of an Israeli bulldozer. Just like Rachel “Pancakes” Corrie.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:23 pmRiiight, so if we think Bush is a war criminal and the war in Iraq was an illegal oil grab then we must be terrorsists. OMFG! It’s like arguing with my 2.5 yr. old son about bedtime.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:23 pmArmy Eases Age Limit for Guard, Reserve
The Associated Press
Wednesday 23 March 2005
Recruiting move hikes cutoff to 39.
The Army is tapping into a new pool of potential recruits for the National Guard and the Army Reserve by raising the maximum enlistment age from 34 to 39, officials said yesterday.
The move, described as a three-year test program, is designed to help the Guard and the Reserve meet their recruitment goals when the Iraq war and other pressures are discouraging young people from joining.
The Guard missed its recruiting goal for 2004, and both the Guard and the Reserve are lagging behind their goals so far this year.
The age ceiling for the regular Army is set by law at 34.
Physical standards will not change for the regular Army, the Guard or the Reserve.
For the Guard and the Reserve, the age limit is set by policy and can be changed without approval from Congress, said Maj. Elizabeth Robbins, an Army spokeswoman.
A person one day short of his or her 40th birthday is now eligible to join the Guard or the Reserve; under the old system, the maximum age was 34 years and 364 days.
Census figures show that the change will add about 22 million people to the Army Guard and Reserve recruiting pool. The Army said in a statement that it has not forecast how much this will add to recruit totals.
“Experience has shown that older recruits who can meet the physical demands of military service generally make excellent soldiers based on their maturity, motivation, loyalty and patriotism,” the Army said.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:24 pmumm there’s no way you can compare a threat like Hitler to a half senile non threat like Saddam. If you want to think their equal I have a few prime lands in Nunavut to sell ya.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:24 pmG.G Yes because I WANT TO DIE. If you right wingers are gonna run me over anyway why bother?
June 20th, 2005 at 10:25 pmNice job on the article Skid ;) …..I believe they’ve further modified the rules to allow for anybody willing to believe rightwing, imperialist propaganda or…..at the very least you must have a pulse.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:28 pmIs everyone writing long comments or what?
June 20th, 2005 at 10:28 pmWell, it’s been more fun than a barrell ‘o monkeys, folks! I’ve enjoyed myself immensely, but it’s time to go to bed. Justin, Jay I don’t think you’re bad souls at heart - but you’re immensely naive and not terribly strong in the logic department. Good night, and I hope you are cured of your delusions one day.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:28 pmLOL yes Skid. But I think Clue is geriatric. Sending grandkids to die. Shame
June 20th, 2005 at 10:28 pmOk, Justin, since you asked IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS:
1. If current military service was a prerequisite for having an opinion on the use of the military, we would not be a democracy.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:29 pm2. The U.S. has an all-volunteer army. They don’t want every American adult to enlist.
3. Most adults are not qualified for military service.
4. By Justin’s reasoning, only physicians are allowed to have an opinion on healthcare. Only chefs may express an opinion on food. Only porn stars may argue about sex.
5. Justin is using a cheap debating trick: rather than debate the merits of overthrowing Saddam’s murderous dictatorship, Justin insults the credentials of those who support bringing democracy to Iraq.
cluestick, you’re a sad and ignorant person. Sorry. All the best.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:29 pm#142
You don’t see the hypocrisy? I’m sure your not a terrorist but your a terrorist sympathiser.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:29 pmWe’re not evil Clue. We just don’t believe that there should be needless deaths and decpetion to achieve our aims.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:29 pmGG. In all the other professions no one goes out to kill or be killed. But hey whatever it’s just a job. I just think that if you want other people to kill you should do it yourself just to see what it’s like. Like sex… or cooking. Maybe not sex for you GG
June 20th, 2005 at 10:31 pmGarden Gnoam: you make excellent points in #155, but I’m afraid you’ll just confuse the kiddies.
“Sending grandkids to die” LOL!! Jeez, I’m not quite that old! Bye-bye.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:32 pmGnoam, if you honestly believe that our invasion of Iraq was about bringing democracy, you are one dumb fuck. Seriously, I don’t usually get belligerent on this website. I try to keep it honest, fair and repectful, but really you are so badly misinformed that you shouldn’t even be allowed to vote.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:32 pmOh and back on the foreign AID subject again, did you happen to catch Bob Geldof’s remarks on Bush:
“They refuse to accept, because of their political ideology, that he has actually done more than any American president for Africa,” said Geldof. “But it’s empirically so.”
That evil right wing imperialist … yada …yada… yada…
June 20th, 2005 at 10:32 pmWhat?! Can you prove the empirical part Bic?
June 20th, 2005 at 10:34 pmAnd btw GG what merits? YAY we can get his oil! Oh no *pout* we have to kill TEN THOUSAND Iraqis. I know that number is too high for you to count but it’s a lot.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:34 pmWow, were they drafting chef’s and porn stars back in the 70’s? No shit.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:35 pmBut don’t worry, Bono helped clarify:
“He feels he’s already doubled and tripled aid to Africa, which he has,” said Bono. “But he started from far too low a place.”
So take heart, you can still blame Bush for not yet quadrupling the amount of aid.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:35 pmdoubled from what? And compare that to other countries :)
June 20th, 2005 at 10:36 pm“In all the other professions no one goes out to kill or be killed. ”
Then only police officers may argue about crime.
“I just think that if you want other people to kill you should do it yourself just to see what it’s like.”
As opposed to staying behind a desk in my skyscraper office in New York City, where no Muslim terrorist flying a jet will make me “kill or be killed”
Face it Justin: bringing freedom to Iraq was a tremendous achievement, as good as the U.S. Civil War ending slavery.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:36 pmAh I don’t even need to look it up. Bono said it correctly. I tripled my donation of 1 penny to 3 pennies! YAY!
June 20th, 2005 at 10:37 pmWell said, Garden Gnoam.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:37 pm3 pennies is better than 1, right?
June 20th, 2005 at 10:38 pmI didn’t know it was kill or be killed for Police officers. But hey if you life in DT detroit more power to you.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:38 pm# 167. Hahahahahahahaha. Now I know they’re just trying to piss us off.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:38 pmFreedom? It’s a warzone there! you killed 10 000 people. PEOPLE! ugh you’ve sown discord across the country. People can’t even venture outside designated areas. People hate the US. It’s SO MUCH BETTER NOW.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:39 pmPeople hate the US? Have you been there? Did you take a poll?
June 20th, 2005 at 10:40 pmNo People all over the world hate the US. Google it up :P
June 20th, 2005 at 10:41 pmAh… but Google leans further to the left than you. It’s always the minority that speaks the loudest (by the way).
June 20th, 2005 at 10:42 pmHad Justin, Jay, and all you other liberals been around 150 years ago, you would have protested the U.S. Civil war. “No blood for cotton!” “Lincoln Lied!” Whining about military deaths, even as the slaves were freed.
Jay you are so out of touch with real life that you don’t understand that often the ONLY way to free men is to use force. The only way to topple tyrants. The only way to stop the gassing of entire Kurd villages. Force. It’s sad, but that’s the way the real world works.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:42 pmoh yes. Google is so left wing with it’s wide variety of sources. Are you on crack?
June 20th, 2005 at 10:42 pmI see my faith in the lefts abilities to knock down anything Bush does (even giving record breaking aid to Africa).
If Bush single handedly cured cancer tomorrow J & J would be bitchin’ about all the researchers that would suddenly be out of work.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:43 pmChris, no offense but Google is a vast search engine and even though the founders lean left, how do you suppose they incorporate their “liberal bias” as they search 2trillion pages? Moron.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:43 pmHad I been alive 150 years ago I would have fought tooth and nail for my freedom.
And GG Ghandi used non violence to free ALL OF INDIA :) just so you know.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:44 pmBush isn’t smart enough to know what cancer IS.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:45 pmIt’s been documented in many places. I was referring to the news section. If you search for “US hated by other nations” of course you’re going to get a lot of hits about the United States being hated by other nations.
Don’t argue with me about search engines, you’ll be sore when you’re done.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:45 pmGo to the BBC then. Or are they too left wing for you?
June 20th, 2005 at 10:45 pmOr. Type in “US Dissaproval Poll”
June 20th, 2005 at 10:46 pmThe BBC? Why not al-Jazeera.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:46 pmHow about “US Approval Poll”?
Google Search is going to give you what you search for.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:47 pmWell if you’re so right wing that EVERYONE is to the left of you then I can’t help you sir.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:47 pmI’m actually a moderate in most respects. I just can’t see myself aligned with your party for numerous reasons.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:48 pmGhandi’s nonviolence worked against the British because, while imperialist, the British were not evil.
Hitler was on record as saying he would have executed Ghandi, and all of Ghandi’s lieutenants. Saddam is equally ruthless.
Come now, Justin, you don’t really think that if Iraqis just sang Kum-By-Yah, that Saddam would have shut down his rape rooms?
Force: the only way to stop evil men.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:48 pmriight. CBC? Too left. European stations? Too left? Russian? South America? Too left. That discounts the entire world.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:48 pmTry the Aussies
June 20th, 2005 at 10:49 pmGoogle employees gave $207,650 to federal candidates for last year’s elections, up from just $250 in 2000 when it was still a start-up. And 98% went to Democrats, the biggest share among top tech donors, a new USA TODAY campaign finance analysis shows.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:49 pmOkay… What’s your point Justin?
June 20th, 2005 at 10:49 pmGnoam,
You have your reality and I have mine. I listen to both sides and have….very closely for a long, long time. I think that you are utterly clueless. Maybe you’re not a bad person, but you are so brainwashed that you have no idea that you are supporting the most corrupt and reckless President in the history of our country and that is actually an understatement. I have NEVER been registered as a Democrat…never. I knew that this group was bad to the core from the outset though. If you have any sense of history at all you would know that there’s something wrong here. Sadly, you don’t. I hope you see the light because we need all the help we can get to get these creeps out of power and get are ship pointed back in the right direction.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:50 pmI’m sure the british massacre and rape of hundreds of indian women was totally benign. As was the rounding up of the males in villiages and killing them. I’m sure. Shut up
June 20th, 2005 at 10:50 pmJustin, one more thing: “Had I been alive 150 years ago I would have fought tooth and nail for my freedom.”
I see. But if Americans fight for Iraqi freedom, you condemn it? Blacks deserve to be liberated by force, but Arabs don’t!?!??!
Sounds to me like you are racist against Arabs.
June 20th, 2005 at 10:50 pmMy point is how are you going to get a world view if you refuse to watch the world’s take on events?
June 20th, 2005 at 10:51 pmIf Aliens came and liberated the blacks I’m sure you’ll feel the same way right
June 20th, 2005 at 10:51 pmThe us solved it’s own conflicts. Let other countries do the same
June 20th, 2005 at 10:52 pmGoogle gave over $200,000 in donations and over 98% of that went to democrats
June 20th, 2005 at 10:52 pmCI Irrelevant as usual I see
June 20th, 2005 at 10:52 pmI do watch (read) the world’s take on events (my RSS aggregator is loaded to the gills). I think the better question is why should the US play along with the supporters of Saddam (France, Russia, Germany) and the supporters of terrorism (Syria, Iran, N. Korea).