Cheney on Downing Street: Ignorance Is Bliss
Cheney on Downing Street: Ignorance Is Bliss
Wolf Blitzer asked Vice President Cheney yesterday if he had read the Downing Street Minutes.
BLITZER: Did you read the so-called Downing Street memo?
CHENEY: No, I did not.
[CNN, Wolf Blitzer Reports, 6/23/05]
Despite admitting that he had not read the memo, that did not prevent Cheney from saying, “The memo is just wrong.” Cheney offered a defense against the memos that we have heard from Bush previously — that the memos are false because the decision to go to the U.N. hadn’t been made yet.
CHENEY: And remember what happened after the supposed memo was written. We went to the United Nations We did everything we could to resolve this without having to use military force. [CNN, Wolf Blitzer Reports, 6/23/05]
But as we’ve noted previously, that defense is actually no defense at all because the Bush administration was staunchly opposed to going to the U.N. in the first place and made sure that even when they did go to the UN, it did not deter them from their timeline for attacking Iraq.
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June 24th, 2005 at 4:42 pmI wonder how long it will take for everyone to realize that the only reason they (Bushco)bothered to go to the UN in the 1st place is because of the reservations that the British had as refelcted in the DSM….it amazes me how little logical thinking is out there.
June 24th, 2005 at 4:44 pmExactly, Joe, and the other memos make clear that a substantial motive for going to the UN was to “wrongfoot” Saddam — a step in furtherance of military action, not a diplomatic attempt to avoid conflict.
June 24th, 2005 at 5:11 pmI assume Wolf the Beard did no followup as is typical.
June 24th, 2005 at 5:15 pmYes, the memos outlined the plan to go to the UN in the hope that Saddam would refuse to let the inspectors in. Saddam crossed them up, though, by allowing the inspectors access. Then came the secret bombing hoping to incite saddam. Does anyone remember the Gulf of Tonkin?
June 24th, 2005 at 5:45 pmNo, I don’t remember the Gulf of Tonkin, and neither should you.
June 24th, 2005 at 5:47 pmGulf of Tonkin? Well, I haven’t seen the event in question, but I encourage you to go back and look at the context in which things occured.
Also, that’s an absurd question.
June 24th, 2005 at 5:53 pmWhen you bring up the Gulf of Tonkin, you’re clearly suggesting therapy for terrorists. Al Jazeera is repeating your words. No more needs to be said about your motives.
June 24th, 2005 at 5:54 pmLatest Rassmussen poll, a dicidedly conservative pollster: 49% of Americans think Bush was more responsible for the Iraq war than Saddam. Kool, huh?
June 24th, 2005 at 6:25 pmIn the LA Times today (June 23, 2005), Michael Smith explains how he received the now famous Downing Street Memos and why they remain vitally important to our discussion of Iraq.
Michael writes that the June 23rd meeting minutes were not the most important. Rather, he concentrated on a paper what was prepared previously by the Cabinet Office. “… It said that Blair agreed at Crawford that “the UK would support military action to bring about regime change.” Because this was illegal, the officials noted, it was “necessary to create the conditions in which we could legally support military action… But Downing Street had a “clever” plan that it hoped would trap Hussein into giving the allies the excuse they needed to go to war. It would persuade the U.N. Security Council to give the Iraqi leader an ultimatum to let in the weapons inspectors.”
Plan A, as Michael refers to the use of the UN, failed. Plan B was to force a military response by Iraq. Michael notes that another memo “… quotes British Defense Secretary Geoff Hoon as saying that “the U.S. had already begun ’spikes of activity’ to put pressure on the regime… British government figures for the number of bombs dropped on southern Iraq in 2002 show that although virtually none were used in March and April, an average of 10 tons a month were dropped between May and August…”
Michael Smith concludes that “…Bush and Blair began their war not in March 2003, as everyone believed, but at the end of August 2002, six weeks before Congress approved military action against Iraq.”
It is now painfully obvious and clear that George W. Bush so desparately wanted this war that he was willing to lie to the nation to get his way. All this jabbering after the fact is only there to try and cover their tracks!
Bush and his entire administration needs to be jailed. Now!
June 24th, 2005 at 6:46 pmIt’s unfortunate they are called memos, because in fact they are a ‘diary’/'minutes’ of meetings. This isn’t some memo that one person crafted, it’s actual notes taken from meetings with american officials where they admit they are going to propagandize and lie about saddam to excuse an illegal war…
June 24th, 2005 at 7:16 pmThe DSM’s are pretty bad, but remember, nothing in them says that Bush ever even contemplated getting a bj. So, we need to move along to important things. Did you hear the latest about the missing young white woman in Aruba?
June 25th, 2005 at 12:36 amWhat is sad for our country is that this kind of revelations, the lying, the tremendous costs of war, would lead to chasing those guys out of town…. in other democracies, that is!
This is insane folks. Americans had plenty of evidence, or at least AVAILABLE evidence (if one cared to examine it), before the last election. Now, in 2006, there will be another chance to punish the scoundrels…but, if Americans don’t vote the Repubs out of the majority in Congress, then, I don’t want to hear complaints only in one direction. In a democracy, we collectively deserve what we get!
And, in other words, democracy is as good as its participants.
June 25th, 2005 at 12:37 amWhat good does it do to ask Dick Cheney or any of the members of the Bush Administration any questions whatsoever?
They are not prone to tell you the truth, just what they think you should hear. It is a ‘need to know’ basis only.
June 25th, 2005 at 12:39 amOf course Cheney’s read the DSM. THere’s no way on God’s green earth he hasn’t read the DSM.
After all, these are the memos that have the potential to impeach his boss.
I think Cheney is lying — big time.
June 25th, 2005 at 8:54 amhey Wolf. I tell you 2 + 2 = 5, it equals frickin’ 5, got it? – Cheney
June 25th, 2005 at 10:37 amOf course Cheney is lying.
Andros #13 makes a very important point.
Problem is, if election fraud is still rampant how do we defeat these thugs?
I’m glad thinkprogress is staying on this topic.
Lets keep Bushco on the ropes until he hangs himself.
votetoimpeach.org
June 25th, 2005 at 10:45 amI think I just brought some beer up through my nose laughing at that one! Yeah, sure he never read the DSM, he is also not feverishly making plans to cleverly dismiss/discredit it because of how dangerous it is…. no really… what you don’t trust your old pal Cheyney???
Oh and the part about “I didn’t read it…but it’s totally false” that’s some beautiful doublespeak…
The whole reason bush went to the UN was to try and make his little war legal, but he isn’t fooling me or the rest of the international community why haven’t Americans picked up on this BS? Is it your newsmedia? Because I’ve seen fox news and that would make sense.
June 25th, 2005 at 11:45 amHerr President’s will.
the secret bombing
to excuse an illegal war…
if election fraud is still rampant how do we defeat these thugs?
you guys are still beating the same drum. keep it up we love it. bush = hitler, unsubstantiated claims, legal opinions from moonbats, and accusations of election fraud from the side who in st. louis finds its party officials on trial for vote buying. cant wait for the midterms, or the next make believe impeachment hearing. losers. lost in 2000, 2002, and 2004, and your setting yourselves up to lose in 2006. but we know, its just fraud, everyone you know agrees with you….LOL!
June 25th, 2005 at 1:03 pmhey fake buckshot, stay in denial, we’d rather some heads stay in the sand..
June 25th, 2005 at 1:26 pmhey susan, denial about what? i know the truth is we are exterminating millions in our gulags and concentration camps, right? you guys are really experts in international law, the starbucks gig is more personally rewarding? the people arrested for vote buying and tire slashing were sent by rove to discredit the unimpeachable dhimmi-crats? and my favorite, you take the dsm as gospel truth, except when it obviously states both governments believed without a doubt our forces would be facing a real threat from wmd? yes, you wouldnt want to convert me, im a lost cause, even though i never voted for a republican before 2004, and campaigned for nader in 2000! if you cant convince me of your position you are truly “pissing in the wind.” its people like you who only serve to reinforce my present ideological direction. does rove pay you to discredit liberals or do you just do it for free out of ignorace? i note you could not or would not refute what i wrote, so you gave up.
June 25th, 2005 at 2:01 pmLike I said buckshot, some heads are better left in the sand.
If legal documents mean nothing to you than I suggest you go back to school and educate yourself.
Your upset because you know your criminal in charge will not have the opportunity to kill millions…He’s gettin impeached so take a pill and get over it.
June 25th, 2005 at 2:11 pmso its true, you give up. now the dsm is a “legal document.” you dont even have the original document, minutes from a meeting, if real illegally leaked at that. but hey, the white house declined to comment when asked if they had “stopped beating their wives yet’” so they must be guilty. about ohio, you may not want to click this link, http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/23/politics/23voting.html
June 25th, 2005 at 2:26 pmit seems the nyt may have laid off some of your propagandists, but since they reported this, ill wait for a credible source. in any case it doesnt look good for your side, but your used to this. when are the impeachment hearings, ill tivo it on c-span, cant miss this. whats wrong, i cant tivo your fantasies?
Anyone have bug spray, so we can rid ourselves of fake the roach?
June 25th, 2005 at 3:25 pmBug spray wont work, you’ll need WMD”s to settle this one down..
Hey buckshot, SHOW ME ONE QUOTE FROM BUSHCO DENYING THE CONTENTS OF THE MINUTES!..of course, they would have to be read first…
June 25th, 2005 at 3:35 pmBy the reasoning of the blinded righties, Nazi Germany woke up one morning and started throwing millions of Jews (etc.) into the oven. The Nazis apparently NEVER committed torture or abused human rights PRIOR to the Holocaust, it just happened over night, right? They couldn’t have proceeded down the slippery slope UNCHECKED with lesser torture practices until it BECAME the skinning and burning of HUMAN BEINGS in concentration camps could it?
The right-wing excuse makers baffle me with their inability to even try to apply logic.
June 25th, 2005 at 3:58 pm“But look at the terrorists cutting off heads. We’re not treating detainees like they do.”
This is faulty logic because by that reasoning we SHOULD have thrown the Nazis and German citizens into the oven as just punishment rather than take the moral high road in serving punishment. Would we have been justified if we decided to cut off their arms because that is a less severe punishment or torture than being gassed and burnt to death?
June 25th, 2005 at 4:08 pmNow there’s real logic Skid..
What upsets folks like buckshot is that we will not allow millions to be thrown in ovens.
We are stopping the madman in his tracks before it comes to that.
In the minds of the “crazy people” we are good humanitarians until we light the ovens…frightening.
June 25th, 2005 at 4:26 pmbecause susan and john cant debate, they call names. quitting before the battle begins. well reasoned argument guys, you cant kill me or shut me up, so stick out your tongues. now skid, your not a student of history i see. and because im about to “kick some history” of the nazis right here, im sure in your small minds that will be proof of my nazism. wrong, but who cares, ive been called a nazi a million times by your types by now. ever hear of Crystal Night? well skid, post 27 proves you have not. so you think the nazis started out with harsh air conditioning techniques and the ss guards handling the tora with gloved hands that degraded to cattle cars and ovens. no, not really. by the way we hung many of the nazis responsible for the holocaust, after they were tried before a military court. to bad you guys didnt have the aclu working for them, i doubt in your mind they would have received the due process they deserved. or orange glazed chicken. skid to apply logic it helps to know at least one fact.
June 25th, 2005 at 4:35 pmSuzy,
June 25th, 2005 at 4:43 pmall thats standing in the way of mcChimpburton and company marching millions into the ovens are a bunch of vegan/pasifists with their superior knowledge of history and their deadly but yummy tofu? we are a bunch of racist gun toting nazis and you hippies are bravely standing in front of the trains? your visions of self grandeur are funnier than your view of us as nazis, something very funny to someone who has really fought racists.
I dont debate with the illiterate. I do suggest classes for those who need them. Most communities do offer litteracy programs for FREE.
Mental Health is offered for free also. I suggest you go for your free consultation.
There are a load of resources in your community buckshot…check them out please.
P.S. The Gulf of Tonkin is a fine reference to this topic. Thanks for bringing it up folks.
June 25th, 2005 at 4:56 pmyou dont debate because you cant back up your position. simple as that. hey skid, hers a link for you, http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERcrystal.htm
June 25th, 2005 at 5:16 pmlooks like the nazis did wake up one day and start chunking people in ovens, who would have thought it. suzy, watch were you aim that tofu honey.
by the way suzy, dont you mean “literacy,” thats funny, ill see you in class. i know, libs make typos, im just stupid. awesome display of self-righteousness.
June 25th, 2005 at 5:21 pmThat link doesn’t explain your point, fake. It addresses Crystal Night, but doesn’t mention the previous incarcerations of Jews. At least you tried…
June 25th, 2005 at 5:34 pmIf I were you buckshot, I’d try reading history books instead of books by Anne Coulter and Bill O’Reilly.
See ya skids, I wish ya luck with this so called debate…
June 25th, 2005 at 6:03 pmskid im fake, but you see what parallels between the US and nazi germany? you said: “By the reasoning of the blinded righties, Nazi Germany woke up one morning and started throwing millions of Jews (etc.) into the oven.”
June 25th, 2005 at 6:07 pmyou are wrong, they practically did. so as we can plainly see, gitmo is not a concentration camp or a slave labor camp now is it? you may fool yourselves all you want, but you cant change history. calling bush hitler will not make it so, no matter how loud or often you scream it. in no way do i intend that one link to fully explain the holocaust, but tell the truth, before today, had you ever heard of crystal night? you could not have and said what you did.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&hs=h5b&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official_s&q=kristallnacht&spell=1
suzy, ima gonna edumakate miself! youre advise to seek outa “litteracy” programm as soon as me cann isa gooder plan. face it baby, you would show where im wrong if you could. you cant so you try to convince everyone your just to smart to stoop down here and do it. well lets see that big old brain at work. i dare you. by the way, im loaded with slugs, not buckshot.
June 25th, 2005 at 6:18 pmYet again fake, your link doesn’t prove your point. Kristallnacht, as you reference (and yes, I have known about it, for after 9/11 it looked like it was going to happen to anyone in America who was muslim, sihk, or even hindu by ignorant vigilantes) shows the downward spiral/slippery slope of which I pointed out before. READ it again fake, and tell me what happened to the Jews that refused to be deported BEFORE Kristallnacht. Tell me what the up-and-coming Nazis did to Jews at those concentration camps BEFORE they became labor/incinerator camps?
June 25th, 2005 at 7:19 pmAlso, you should really try tofu. Its not bad if you prepare it and cook it right. I like a good chunk of dead animal as much as the next person, but regardless, I think you’d like it.
June 25th, 2005 at 7:25 pmwell you liberals are say bush is hilter, you made the assertion, not me. its up to you to prove your assertion, not for me to disprove it. welcome to debate 101. you said the nazis didnt wake up one day and start exterminating jews. history says your wrong. welcome to reality, sit down and stay a while:
Kristallnacht turns out to be a crucial turning point in German policy regarding the Jews and may be considered as the actual beginning of what is now called the Holocaust.
By now it is clear to Hitler and his top advisors that forced immigration of Jews out of the Reich is not a feasible option.
Hitler is already considering the invasion of Poland.
Numerous concentration camps and forced labor camps are already in operation.
The Nuremberg Laws are in place.
The doctrine of lebensraum has emerged as a guiding principle of Hitler’s ideology. And,
The passivity of the German people in the face of the events of Kristallnacht made it clear that the Nazis would encounter little opposition — even from the German churches.
Following the meeting, a wide-ranging set of antisemitic laws were passed which had the clear intent, in Goering’s words, of “Aryanizing” the German economy. Over the next two or three months, the following measures were put into effect (cf., Burleigh and Wippermann, The Racial State: Germany, 1933-1945. New York:Cambridge, 1991:92-96):
Jews were required to turn over all precious metals to the government.
Pensions for Jews dismissed from civil service jobs were arbitrarily reduced.
Jewish-owned bonds, stocks, jewelry and art works can be alienated only to the German state.
Jews were physically segregated within German towns.
A ban on the Jewish ownership of carrier pigeons.
The suspension of Jewish driver’s licenses.
The confiscation of Jewish-owned radios.
A curfew to keep Jews of the streets between 9:00 p.m. and 5:00 a.m. in the summer and 8:00 p.m. and 6:00 a.m. in the winter.
Laws protecting tenants were made non-applicable to Jewish tenants.
One final note on the November 12 meeting is of critical importance. In the meeting, Goering announced, “I have received a letter written on the Fuehrer’s orders requesting that the Jewish question be now, once and for all, coordinated and solved one way or another.” The path to the “Final Solution” has now been chosen. And, all the bureaucratic mechanisms for its implementation were now in place.
http://www.mtsu.edu/~baustin/knacht.html
yes sounds just like life for the poor muslims in the US who burn our flag in NY and call for jihad against nonmuslims. yes just like the jews in nazi germany. funny, whos rounding these people up? what rights is bush abusing of theirs? and if you go to this website, remember its based in NY, not saudi arabia, and they dont think any more of you than i, unless of course your a muslim, then your unwarranted attacks on our military and president makes sense:
How to recognise if you are allied with the Kuffar
There is nothing in the Qur’an (after Tawheed) which has more explicit evidences than Al-Walaa’ wal-Baraa’ (to love and hate for the sake of Allah) and the Muslims should always be clear on this concept. We must have Walaa’ (love and allegiance) with Allah, Islam and with the believers, and have Baraa’ (hatred and disassociation) from the disbelievers, kufr and shirk. However, Al-Baraa’ from the kaafireen (non-Muslims) could be violated in the UK by any of the following examples:
To live among them (non-Muslims) only for Dunya purposes i.e. business
The Messenger Muhammad (saw) said that: ‘I am free from people who live between the Kuffar.’ Hence, living among the kuffar must be ONLY for the sake of carrying da’wah or for involvement in Jihad purposes
Not to believe that they (i.e. the Jews and Christians) are kuffar
To wear the clothes of the kuffar (football shirts etc.)
To use the words & expressions of the kuffar
To use the calendar of the kuffar (we must always remember our history because we are a product of our history)
To participate in their celebrations (e.g. in their festivals such as Christmas and Easter)
To take them as Bitaana i.e. assisting them or taking them as assistants or getting advice from them etc.
To call yourself by the names of the kuffar. Always call yourself by Muslim names and kunya (nick-names) which will remind you of the Messenger Muhammad (saw) and the Sahabah
To praise the kuffar e.g. their material progress. Secular people will always say ‘let us learn from them’ or ‘be like them’. Never praise them or it will affect your walaa’ and baraa’; you will begin to like, defend and even follow them
from: http://www.islamicthinkers.com/index/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=29&Itemid=26
June 25th, 2005 at 10:53 pmWhat’s with the novels? Now you’re just trying to hurt my feelings. Try shorter. Concise. You know how.
June 26th, 2005 at 1:32 amIgnorance is bliss? For a little while maybe, but not for the long haul. I recommend folks read the article from Asia Times Online (link below).
EXCERPT: The Iraq quagmire is leading senators and congressmen – especially Republican – to a degree of panic. They’re starting to realize that President George W Bush’s war is taking them down. Democrats for their part – including those who supported the war in the first place – are scenting blood.
http://atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/GF25Ak04.html
-Sky
June 26th, 2005 at 11:04 amsky,
June 26th, 2005 at 2:07 pmyou need to stop compartmentalizing the war on terror into iraq, afghanistan, gitmo, patriot act, etc., its all one war. “quagmire” is used to demoralize our troops and civilians, nothing more, its hardly accurate. if that were the case, why are thousands of guard members moving to the regular army as their rotations come up? they know the truth on the ground, this is nothing but a disinformation campaign the MSM has going on, one that started 3 weeks into the war i might add. that word, like nazi, gulag, and torture has been so abused it now has no meaning. but thanks for helping the enemies propaganda efforts. we are fighting al qaida in iraq, were al qaida operatives went from thier defeat in afghanistan, and we are winning. on the ground and hearts and minds. face it, you guys dont want us to win.
Skywriter,
June 26th, 2005 at 3:06 pmMainstream media actually aired the discontent among Republicans regarding the quagmire. It’s about time.
The media knows were not going away and so do the Republicans. The Republicans have more to lose at this time than they have to gain.
We have the upper hand and we will be here and everywhere until the madness is stopped.
Keep contributing!
Ahh fake, ignorance is bliss… still trying to get that dog to hunt, eh?
June 26th, 2005 at 3:13 pmSounds a little manic to me Skid…People shouldn’t get so obsessed with people who disagree with them.
June 26th, 2005 at 3:35 pmI don’t know about you but I’m never going to change my position on BushCo.
How about you? Does fake buckshot have a shot at changing your position?
- “Barely a week into the war, with coalition forces sweeping through Iraq, ABC’s Peter Jennings and CBS’s Lesley Stahl decided to raise the ghost of the Vietnam quagmire. Jennings teased Wednesday’s World News Tonight by hyping how “one Marineâ€? told an ABC reporter that given the landscape, weather and guerrilla tactics, “sometimesâ€? Iraq “feels like Vietnam.â€? The night before, on CBS’s 48 Hours, Lesley Stahl asked a Vietnam vet: “You fought in Vietnam. Are you getting any feelings of deja vu?â€? — Peter Jennings And Leslie Stahl on March 26 & 27, 2003.
Does any of this sound familiar? How do you spell Q-U-A-G-M-I-R-E?” — Bernard Weiner on April 1, 2003.
- “(T)he fact of the matter is that the United States has got itself in a terrible bind here without regional alliesâ€? and suggested that “without UN legitimacy — forget it, never work, Vietnam quagmire next stop.” — Arthur Kent on April 5, 2003
American military morale shaken by Iraq quagmire
By James Conachy
27 June 2003
February 12, 2004
European Security and the Iraqi Quagmire: A Blessing in Disguise?
by Christopher Deliso
so keep repeating the “big lie,” but lets look at other things your side said before and during the first days of the war.
UN estimate of civilian casualties in new war: 500,000
Estimated number of Iraqis who will be internally displaced: 1 million; who will become refugees: 900,000
The leaked UN report predicts that a US attack will result in 900,000 Iraqi refugees, of which “100,000 will be in need of immediate assistance�. Neighbouring countries are preparing for a massive influx of refugees.
unlike the inflated numbers that are now refuted by the facts, the use of the word “quagmire” is an opinion, one that was not based in fact in 2003, 2004, or now. i hope the islamofascists at least pay your for your propaganda efforts.
June 26th, 2005 at 3:50 pmsuzy, i know the facts wont change your mind, but when you cant refute me, and you throw words like nazi and quagmire around, those who stumble onto this site will see the truth about your side. just as m. moore helped bush in 2004 with his transparent bs, you will help the republicans in 2006. the sad part is, you help the enemy hold on, because like the vietcong following the defeat of the tet offensive in vietnam, leftists and the media are turning our militaries victories on the ground into losses in opinion. makes you proud im sure.
June 26th, 2005 at 3:59 pmSee a doctor buckshot, thats all I have to say to you.
June 26th, 2005 at 4:04 pmYour obsession is quite startling.
you post here suzy, but thats ok, youre a lefty. i post here and you cant debate me because you have no facts to support your claims, so i need help. i should just “stick with my own kind” right, that way you dont have to back up your ridiculous assertions. ban me. you cant scream me down, or make me degenerate to your level, or win an argument, so do what leftists do best, censor me.
June 26th, 2005 at 4:51 pmLook at what the average Iraqi is living in now that we bombed the crap out of them (structure, utilities, economy, etc.), and tell me your diatribe about refugees again.
Such unwarranted hate fake, and on a Sunday. Go to church, get therapy… something.
June 26th, 2005 at 5:54 pmyes your right, hundreds of thousands poured out of iraq, i see the camps on the news all the time. wrong. it didnt happen, the UN said it would, UNICEF said it would, Jeanine garafello (sic) said it would, but they were wrong. we build infrastructure, bathists and foreign terrorists destroy it, making bush hitler. they have more fresh water than before the war, when you were content to have people put in plastic shredders in abu ghraib, not forced to play naked twister. the humanity of it all. yes, the facts are now a hate crime. you never let me down.
June 26th, 2005 at 7:07 pmYes,we went to the UN after the memo and guess what?
We lied in front of the whole world.
June 26th, 2005 at 7:18 pm…which makes the “fixing the intel” theory look pretty accurate.
June 26th, 2005 at 7:24 pmso the DSM takes for granted we were going to attack iraq. i concede that. we you now concede the DSM takes for granted iraq had WMD? so what was the lie now?
June 26th, 2005 at 7:32 pmREAD IT fake, show us you know how. ADDRESS what I said, not what you want to say or hear!
June 26th, 2005 at 8:08 pmYour game is old.
June 26th, 2005 at 8:09 pm“Regime change and WMD were linked in the sense that it was the regime that was producing the WMD.”
“For instance, what were the consequences, if Saddam used WMD on day one, or if Baghdad did not collapse and urban warfighting began? You said that Saddam could also use his WMD on Kuwait. Or on Israel, added the Defence Secretary.”
read it 50 times, skid. doesn’t sound like they were wondering if saddam had wmd, just if and when he could us them. face it look at the DSM and see one word, fixed. now what makes bush hitler again. i answered you, lets see if you answer me.
June 26th, 2005 at 9:14 pmYou are so out of context, but nice try.
June 26th, 2005 at 9:28 pmthanks skid,
June 26th, 2005 at 10:23 pmyou never let me down. so what did they mean? what was the context? like i said, moonbats see one word, in what suzy calls, a “legal document.” come on, you are going to have the president “impeached” using this memo, surely you read the second page.
how is gitmo a gulag? is it the starvation or the forced labor, no its the millions of dead? wait there are not millions of dead because brave leftists stop the mcchimphitler from completing his evil plans. bush is hitler because we are rounding up muslims and exterminating them, right. explain the context. im dumb, help me.
Instead of 900,000+or- Iraqi refugees in tents at the borders, you have the Iraqis in bombed to shit houses where obviously not enough money or effort has been put into rebuilding and repairing water service, electric, etc. Not very different living conditions. Are you following? Whether you agree or not, either condition breeds terrorists and insurgency.
June 26th, 2005 at 10:47 pmNow what?
June 26th, 2005 at 10:49 pmso your an expert on iraq now. ill tell you what, you can comunicate with iraqis. you see, today, unlike before we invaded iraq, some even have blogs. why dont you ask them if they think bush = hitler. i hope you read back over your posts, because others see what you write, and im sure im not the only person who sees you cant back up your claims : )
http://messopotamian.blogspot.com/
http://jarrarsupariver.blogspot.com/
here are some of your fellow moonbats moving words to an iraq you profess to care so much about:Tuesday, March 22, 2005
Responses to the 2 Year Anniversary
Thank you all for the messages you have sent me in response to my reflections on the two year anniversary. I did not realize that they would reach so many people, and I am honored to have touched some of you. While the vast majority of the responses I received were positive there were some negative ones. I must frankly say I have a hard time understanding these people who attack me. For what for expressing my opinion? The vast majority were from countries outside of the Arab world. I must say that one thing I am learning through the work I am doing on my blog is that there are some people even outside of Iraq and the Middle East who seem to content to want to live under dictators, in an environment where expression is crushed. I will share some letters below in italics and my response:
Dear Hussein:
What the hell is wrong with you, you don’t mind having your country blown up by others but you mind people not understanding you. This is a pure crock, and you sir are either mentally unstable or working for the United States.
Oliver Jordan
Because you dont say what you want to hear I am a liar? This is a great insult to me, this is something that gives me anger. You sit in your box and tell me what is happening in my nation?
Husayn, you are an idiot, I think you are really American. No, I know you are American, no Iraqi feels like you do you lying scumbag. How much is the CIA paying you to spread lies about the occupation of Iraq? I hope you get yours.
Nameless
This is a very common thing I hear from people, they say I work for the USA or the CIA! I do not work for either, although I am sure if I did my family would be better off. I am a simple Iraqi young man who is scratching a living for his family. I tell things how I see them, and I am giving you what I see in Iraq so that our message, our voice is not extinguished. Interesting how the nameless have the most bravery in slinging insults!
Sir I was linked to your blog by another website. What I found is quite interesting. Despite what everyone else in the world says, you are saying that things in Iraq are good. Ignorng the fact that everyday bombs are blown up, you are happy. Despite the fact that Americans are wasting money in Iraq, you thank them. May I ask you, are you blind or just stupid?
Richard Jones – UK
All these things happen in Iraq, but they are not things I focus on or Iraqis focus on. They ahve become part of our life, but we look to the future, and do not want to dwell on evil. That would be self-defeating, and that would be stupid, not what I type.
Mr. Husayn-
Your website would be more enjoyable if you gave us accurate news rather than just telling us about hope and other abstract things. Sure you have hope, but do your countrymen? Do those who died for imperialism have hope? How does it feel to get robbed for oil by the worlds strongest nation? Talk about these things, and then I might start reading your blog. BTW – I found it by accident
Charlene Spector
Boston
Hope is worth more than oil, money or anything else that dictates your life.
This is a sample of what I have received, it is in a way a rude awakening to me of the attitudes that some people in the West hold. Perhaps I was a big naive in the past, I thought these were fringe ideas, but I see that you in the West have people similar to the self-defeating terrorists who infest our nation. If the US or Europe were in a similar situation that Iraq is in, then these people would surely be the ones blowing up innocents so that your nation would be stopped from progress.
And on that note, let me remind my friends, and these enemies of mine that progress is being made, slowly, but surely in Iraq. Yesterday we learned that the terrorists have lost more men this month than in any other month. That is not progress? The more of them that die, the closer we come to absolute freedom. They are like roaches that must be stepped on, and the more that we step on the less there are to eat at us later, and the less there are to breed more!
Long Live a Free Iraq
Long Live Freedom
Long Live the Free World
you leftists are on the wrong side, its that simple.
June 26th, 2005 at 11:26 pmIt sounds like you.
June 26th, 2005 at 11:56 pmso blogs are for blowing smoke up the rectums of people who think exactly like you do? cant debate, cant back up your claims, so you guys sit around patting each other on the backs for being so “revolutionary.” standing up to the man! like calling anyone who backs the US a nazi, because unlikegermany in the 30’s, you face no danger in doing so. your safety in criticizing this government and its military proves you wrong, but you people know so little about history, you cant even see this. it would be funny if it wasnt so scary. blogs like this and Kos are wastes of bandwidth. wheres jake who posts this tripe? im making this place a homepage, so we can exchange thoughts everyday ; )
June 27th, 2005 at 1:12 amDid Cheney have a heart attack fake?
June 27th, 2005 at 1:39 amWhere you get “debate” out of your squawking I do not know… Try organizing your thoughts, then lay them out in a concise and to-the-point manner. Perhaps then others will want to play with you. Otherwise, its funny to think how PISSED you get WASTING your time posting!
June 27th, 2005 at 1:55 amUmmm believing Iraq has wmd’s (taking it for granted) is not the same as proving it thus the need to “fix” the intel. And Iraqi’s are as free as we wish to let them be. Until they elect a president we don’t approve of their “freedom” hasn’t truly been tested. Torture is torture, Bush isn’t a Nazi he is a fascist.
fascism
n : a political theory advocating an authoritarian hierarchical government (as opposed to democracy or liberalism)
Italians, who invented the term fascism, also called it the estato corporativo: the corporatist state. Orwell rightly described fascism as being an extension of capitalism. It is an economy in which the government serves the interests of oligopolies, a state in which large corporations have the powers that in a democracy devolve to the citizen.
June 27th, 2005 at 11:45 amCarlton, I’d say you’ve hit the nail squarely on the head with that assessment. One of the other key characteristics of fascism is an intolerance of dissent. These guys fit the mold prefectly.
June 27th, 2005 at 11:49 am