Comments on: When in Doubt, Roll 9/11 Out

By: Sara

Sara — Wed, 06 Jul 2005 22:25:53 +0000

Isn’t it interesting that even in what begins as a clear discussion of why it’s wrong to bring 9/11 into it, one asshole manages to derail the entire discussion for many paragraphs into an unwinnable argument about comparitive religion? Which was probably his purpose. I personally feel that any public displays of religion are wrong as they always offend someone – these things should be kept between you and your god. Or, in the spirit of democracy, we will now need to give equal room to the 10 commandments, statues of Beelzebub, your many gods from around the world – can you see the Christians in Texas or Kansas allowing that on their courthouse walls? Proving that the Framers were right to try and separate Church and State. Problem is they didn’t separate them enough! Let’s get back to the real problem here – ousting the gangsters in the White House.

By: cynical ex-hippie

cynical ex-hippie — Tue, 28 Jun 2005 22:24:43 +0000

What you said was it has to happen because it is prophecy. If your strategy is to convince people that you are a nut, and then criticize people for calling you a nut, then congratulations you could be President!

And we still stand for freedom and human rights. It is this administration which has moved on to other things.

Remember, the last time Rumsfeld and Amnesty International were in disagreement, it was over the gassing of 5,000 civilians. And Amnesty was right. So if you were picking stocks, where’s the smart money in Gitmo?

By: OpenMinded

OpenMinded — Tue, 28 Jun 2005 21:13:57 +0000

Sorry, but you and I are all part of this planet and we have to make choices. We can’t eliminate religion, we just have to deal with it. It appears to me that if I have to chose between living in a secular society, albeit repleat with much Christian influence, verses living in a totalitarian theoracracy, I’d chose the secular. It was interesting to note how people assumed that I am a Christian because I mentioned one of their prophecies..anti-christ..etc..Well, I’m not a Christian, just another person affected by the existence of their religion. I don’t hate people because of their religion, I hate them because they are not open minded. I can refer to myself as open minded…can you?

By: Xool

Xool — Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:50:16 +0000

Do us all a favor, and please don’t refer to yourself as “OpenMinded” and then spew hatred towards an entire group of people based on their religion. Muslims are not the problem. Religious fundamentalism is, on all sides. If you’re frothing at the mouth and thumping the Bible, the Torah, or the Quran, you’re still a rabid dog.

By: Randy

Randy — Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:41:58 +0000

To those who believe the Downing Street memo contains damming evidence that Bush planned the Iraq war in advance, forget about it. The memo contains no direct quotes which is why the media has pretty much left this story alone. The liberal media is this country is so thirsty for anything that would have nailed Bush that they would have picked up on this right away. Why would Bush have planned to attack Iraq anyway if he didn’t have to. Everyone knew this was going to be an unpopular war if he started it. Why doesn’t anyone remember all of the chances Saddam was given by the U.N.? I think that if he had given in sooner to the inspectors, we may have avoided war. Why didn’t Saddam? Because he was moving his weapons of mass destruction to Syria. Three hundred Kurds paid the price and were gassed under his reign and yet liberals have the audacity to claim no weapons, no weapons. Liberals used to stand for freedom and human rights. What happened?

By: Jed

Jed — Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:20:34 +0000

But the key question is: Will he wear that handsome flight suit of his?

ooooooh, I hope so!

By: Justin

Justin — Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:39:43 +0000

As a progressive Roman Catholic. You’re damn right when I say I don’t want fanatics hanging around.

By: OpenMinded

OpenMinded — Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:36:20 +0000

Ah, just as you all were about to convince me that you were the party of inclusion. All religions except christianity eh?

By: Justin

Justin — Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:23:21 +0000

Oh those Muslims. Worshipping the same God as the Christians (and the Jews!). What on earth are they thinking… they MUST be evil! I have a problem with religious fanaticism of all stripes but none has been as virulent as Christian fundamentalism… So Open look at the enemy where they truely stand. In the mirror.

By: t0m

t0m — Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:08:42 +0000

That’s quite a story, OpenMinded. Looks like you win the debate. Nobody can argue with a narrow interpretation of Revelations.

By: OpenMinded

OpenMinded — Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:52:44 +0000

Also, I think that 9/11 was an inside job. Our stategists see that Islam succeeds because people don’t recognize the danger until it is too late. 9/11 was a wakeup call dealt to us by our own government. Wiil it have been worth it? Only if it is exposed and the citizens react by actually paying attention to politics again and making sure that such ruthless people only occupy prison cells. BTW, I think that Islam will win…the thousand years of the anti-christ has to happen by biblical prophecy…

By: OpenMinded

OpenMinded — Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:47:49 +0000

Ah Samson, looks like the liberal communist elite have succeeded in brainwashing you. There is nothing wrong with capitalism unless the government succumbs to their bribery. That is what has happened to our country. But as bad as that may be, it still beats living/dying under communism.

Now grasshopper, get your head out of the sand. If you can’t look around the globe and note that every country that borders on an Islamic nation is having problems with the moslims, you’re not looking very hard. Don’t be misled by the commies into thinking that they are causing problems as a reaction to capitalism, they are causing problems because their religion refuses to recognize other people’s right to exist. Same with Judaism. And, I do know a lot about Islam, enough to make me understand what the real issues are.

If we’d go back to actually following the constitution, the federal government would have very limited powers and could not lead us into “nation building” as we are attempting to do in Iraq. But, no, the Democrats under the traitor Roosevelt circumvented the constitution and now we have this mess to deal with. The silly part is that the liberals think that the solution to excessive government is more excessive government….I guess the beatings will continue until moral improves..eh?

By: Mugsy

Mugsy — Tue, 28 Jun 2005 16:42:33 +0000

Notice *carefully*, McClelan doesn’t just say “September 11th”, he says “AFTER September 11th”, and as we now well know, plans to invade Iraq began WELL BEFORE 9/11.

I wish someone would call these SOB’s on that the next time one of them tries to use 9/11 as justification for ousting Saddam.

By: Susan

Susan — Tue, 28 Jun 2005 16:12:23 +0000

E,
Most of the media does have it right. The only media that is lacking coverage is television media. Who watches that anyway? The only reason I watch it (like thinkprogress) is to capture the lies from Bushco on tape.
The real media is satelite radio, standard radio, the internet and bloggs. These venues provide the truth across America and the truth is being heard.
Bushie is on the ropes and our non-t.v. media has made that possible.
His television appearance tonight will not change a thing as T.V. media is obsolete.

By: E. Ehle

E. Ehle — Tue, 28 Jun 2005 15:42:24 +0000

I just wrote NBC News. This morning on the Today Show, Ms. Couric interviewed Ms. Rice. Ms. Rice THREE times mentioned 9/11 in conjunction with the war in Iraq and was not challenged. Time for the media to get it right!!!

By: Samson

Samson — Tue, 28 Jun 2005 15:35:03 +0000

The use of 9/11 to create support for the war is an easy way to write a blank check for war against anyone who doesn’t fall into compliance with what the administration feels is right. A war on terror is a war that can never end. Terrorism cannot be defeated becasue there will always be people who will use violence to be heard, hence George W.

I dont see anyone here who has become complacent, with the exception of OpenMinded. What do you know about Islam? Sounds like you have been watching too much Fox News. These people are angry about our force-feeding of western culture into their lives. You’d be upset if you were forced to live like they do as well. We are dealing with a “determined and ruthless enemy, an enemy that has no regard for innocent human life” but it is not terrorists, it is Capitalism. How about the nearly 500,000 children that died as a result of our sanctions on Iraq from 1994 to the start of this war and the thousands of others that have paid with their lives and their childrens lives since the war started? Know your enemy!

By the way, I have a support your troops bumper sticker, right next to my impeach Bush Sticker. Please keep in mind that these “kids” are sacrificing their lives to protect what they believe is right. Do not minimize that but also, do all that we can to let them know that what they have been told is a lie and to fight for peace and justice, not to protect a way of life that keeps the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer. Ask them who stands to get rich off of this, then you see the truth.

By: Susan

Susan — Tue, 28 Jun 2005 15:14:11 +0000

Sounds like OpenMinded is a afraid of the people of Islam…What a sissy.

BOO!

By: Jay

Jay — Tue, 28 Jun 2005 14:44:07 +0000

OpenMinded,

You have been convinced that there is another “great evil” that is determined to kill all of us at all costs. Tell me WHY you think that 9/11 happened?

There is/was NO threat that Islam is going to spread across the globe like some sort of plague. It’s a silly notion.

By: OpenMinded

OpenMinded — Tue, 28 Jun 2005 14:43:29 +0000

George knows that the enemy is Islam. He’s just being crafty about how he attacks it. After all, they are dangerous. How do you defeat a huge enemy? One little country at a time…George may be the smartest president we’ve ever had. He’s got the liberals and other enemies thinking that he is stupid so they underestimate him. Crafty…crafty…crafty

By: Litz

Litz — Tue, 28 Jun 2005 14:31:59 +0000

If Islam is allowed to spread around the world, then get ready to be just another victim of a dictatorship.

Hmm, someone isn’t quite as OpenMinded as they think they are. I don’t think even your fearless leader George III would agree that Islam is the enemy.

Thank God religious intolerance is not a Liberal moral value.