BREAKING: Now It’s Matt Cooper’s Fault
BREAKING: Now It’s Matt Cooper’s Fault
Byron York just published an article based on a new interview with Rove’s lawyer, Robert Luskin. It represents a new evolution for the Rove spin machine. Now, it’s Matt Cooper’s fault. Here is what Luskin told York:
If you read what Karl said to him and read how Cooper characterizes it in the article, he really spins it in a pretty ugly fashion to make it seem like people in the White House were affirmatively reaching out to reporters to try to get them to them to report negative information about Plame.
It’s hard to see how this is relevant. The issue isn’t how Cooper treated Rove. It’s that Rove leaked the identity of an undercover CIA agent to Cooper. It’s also notable that Luskin has dropped Rove’s original spin, which was “I didn’t know her name and I didn’t leak her name“:
Luskin told NRO that Rove is not hiding behind the defense that he did not identify Wilson’s wife because he did not specifically use her name. Asked if that argument was too legalistic, Luskin said, “I agree with you. I think it’s a detail.”
Oh, and by the way, Luskin added that Fitzgerald told him Rove is a “subject” of the investigation.
When will Rove stop attacking others and start taking responsibility for his own actions.
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Rove is an attack dog. Don't exspect anything different...
July 12th, 2005 at 5:18 pmVicious dogs get put to sleep.
July 12th, 2005 at 5:22 pmProbably the most shocking thing of all with regard to the Bu$h regime is how much they have been able to get away with in 4.5+ years... talk about milking the fear.
But no matter how bad the Bushies are, it's still an UNdeniable fact that the Democrats in Congress have enabled their agenda - whether by weak protest covering up tacit agreement, fear of being labeled "liberal" - or whatever!
At the end of the day, when it comes to Bu$h's crimes, the Dems in Congress are AT LEAST accomplices after the fact.
And the protestors should target the censors, the U.S. MEDIA WHORES, and not give up.
July 12th, 2005 at 5:26 pmRove is the one who applied the Teflon finish to Bush.
We see, once again, how it all works. :-(
For an administration that milks the Christian Wrong for all its worth, they're pretty cavalier with their lies and deceptions.
July 12th, 2005 at 5:39 pm"When will Rove stop attacking others and start taking responsiblity for his own actions."
You're kidding, right? Too funny...
July 12th, 2005 at 5:44 pmKen Mehlman was just on CNN with old Wolfie Blitzer, and basically said the Democrats are ravenous attack dogs, and this is the August Washington story a few weeks early. How long will the Republicans get away with murder? Keep the pressure on these devils
July 12th, 2005 at 5:50 pmThe RNC/bushco is trotting out lotsa lines trying to find which ones sink or swim. They aren't used to being in this position. They are more familiar with giving out the talking points and having them swallowed whole & regurgitated exactly by the MSM.
What's that Shakespeare line "me thinks they doth protest too much" - or something like that.. google it for yourselves if you care.
July 12th, 2005 at 6:06 pmKen Mehlman said democrats were playing partisan politics. Partisan politics? Wait a minute. Exactly which party supports its leaders no matter how many mistakes it doesn't acknowledge, no matter how many heads, even scapegoat heads, don't roll, no matter how many spins, deceptions and outright lies it tells.
And the Grande Message Master is who?
Will the lemmings blame the leader? Naw. As they fall to their doom they'll blame all those folks on the edge of the cliff waving "Good bye and good riddance!"
July 12th, 2005 at 6:06 pmKen Mehlman was just on CNN with old Wolfie Blitzer, and basically said the Democrats are ravenous attack dogs,
Hehe! Finally a mad dog bites mad dog story!
July 12th, 2005 at 6:15 pmWhich one of those GOP clowns wouldn't condemn lynchings? Let's be glad for small favors.
July 12th, 2005 at 6:16 pmThe Teflon for this matter probably goes something like this:
- Novak stays out of jail because he gave what he had on Rove to Fitzgerald.
- The NYT gal gets jail time because she fails to give Fitzgerald what he wants.
- The Times guy stays out of jail because he gave what he had on Rove to Fitzgerald. NOTE: The Times guy was released from protecting his source because Rove's lawyer felt he could defend based upon the "ambiguity" in Rove's information.
So, sports fans, it'll probably come down to what several others have already suggested. Rove will have to defend based upon "what the definition of naming names is..." If he pulls it off, he stays out of jail.
In the meantime, the media has dropped the Downing Street Minutes story like a rock. And the lies of BushCo continue unabated... with their legions of sheeple bleeting happily to their fleecing...
July 12th, 2005 at 6:17 pmIt wasn't just Mehlman. CNN also had, on another show, someone described as a republican strategist, who used the very same term. "This is an August story a little early"
I think that when they are on defense, having several people out there spouting identical catch phrases will backfire on them.
We can only hope, eh?
July 12th, 2005 at 6:34 pmBack to the ahem... war
I have a dream... that the Bush Cabal will be run out of town on a rail.
Talk about a goony group.
July 12th, 2005 at 6:52 pmThe GOP talking points were leaked. Have a look.
July 12th, 2005 at 6:53 pmhttp://rawstory.com/news/2005/Exclusive_GOP_talking_points_on_Rove_seek_to_discre_0712.html
“This is an August story a little early�
I saw that CNN piece earlier today too. I think the republican was trying his best to look like it's no big issue. But, of course, if it wasn't a big issue he wouldn't be spending airtime talking about how much of a non-issue it really is. You know this sort of thing drives them nuts -- they want people to look at something else. anything else.
July 12th, 2005 at 7:05 pmNow it's Judith Miller's fault, accrding that fat slob John Podhretz at nro's the corner. Talk about flailing around and trying to fling shit wildly. Some of it is bound to stick, not.
July 12th, 2005 at 7:31 pmI pick members of congress at random and send email asking what "FAIR GAME" means. I send the same query to random news stations. Even if this is a led zeppelin it needs to stay in the forefront. And the soft dems are comin' 'round it seems.
July 12th, 2005 at 7:36 pmSo sad to see the Grand Old Party controlled by a bunch of crooks and ass-kissers who make Nixon and his boys look downright angelic. But this is indicative of a larger problem in Washington DC where no politician or staff member wants to take responsibility for anything that goes wrong or admit they were wrong even as they loudly call for others to be accountable. The culture must change.
July 12th, 2005 at 8:19 pmI fully expect Bush to refuse to fire Rove, and every right wing pundit to defend and rationalize an act of treason. I have that much faith in this Administration.
Their best case scenario Rove gets off on a technicality. He is already the subject of a criminal investigation so that throws a scot-free best case out the window. I wonder if Oliver North has offered any advice?
Even in this day and age, exposing a CIA agent in wartime can end a man's political career, even without an indictment. Maybe it's time Karl started thinking about going into media?
Meanwhile, our friend Ken has some advice for us. Stop ravenously attacking. You dogs. :)
July 12th, 2005 at 8:55 pmA typical DUHbya reaction:
"Play ball with me or I will shove the bat up your ass!"
July 12th, 2005 at 9:16 pmWhen will Rove stop attacking others and start taking responsibility for his own actions.
Probably about the same time the War Profiteer in Chief calls for an end to nepotism within this administration. In other words, never.
July 12th, 2005 at 9:45 pmListen, nothing is going to happen to Karl Rove. No matter what kind of scum he is, he will survive. He survived leaking the Bush drunk driving arrest in 2000. He survived being the leaker to CBS of Bush hiding out from his National Guard duty. He will survive this. The question is why is Judith Miller still in jail? The simple answer is to protect Dick Cheney. Cheney is the second source. He is the only person high enough for Miller to go to jail over. After all he was the source for her WMD stories
July 12th, 2005 at 9:45 pmEven if Karl is indicted and convicted of treason, and his political career goes down the toilet, he still gets his own prime time show on Fox News.
As for the Matt Cooper thing, I think it's great that Karl is trying to blame a man who was willing to go to jail to protect him. It's a novel approach, you gotta give him that.
July 12th, 2005 at 10:22 pmSaw Shammity on Fox earlier, he was reading the NRO York article like it was the God's truth and the final word on this issue.
July 12th, 2005 at 10:32 pmListen, nothing is going to happen to Karl Rove.
How much are you willing to wager?
July 12th, 2005 at 10:38 pmThe Perrspectives Document Library has been expanded to include background articles and documents on the Karl Rove outing of CIA agent Valerie Plame.
The Rove documents include the original Joseph Wilson New York Times op-ed, Robert Novak's column outing Wilson's wife Valerie Plame and key 2003 White House press briefings by Scott McClellan and President Bush. The Library also features key 2003 and 2005 articles on the scandal, as well as a timeline of entire affair. For future reference, links to the Espionage Act of 1917 and the Covert Agent Identity Protection Act are also included.
See the Karl Rove Scandal Documents here.
July 12th, 2005 at 11:09 pmLuskin proves once again that lawyers have no business in the PR field. His big mouth will come back to haunt his client. SAY NOTHING.
July 13th, 2005 at 1:44 amListen,
The media, the left and democrats are all making too big a deal over this email. Most Americans are not paying attention to this story. I should say that most in the red states could even care less. This will blow over in a couple of weeks. Rove will keep his position and the democrats will again look like the fools they are. Think back to a few months ago when the media had you believe that Tom Delay had no choice but to resign. Time to throw away the playbook and develop some real strategy on where to take the country guys.
July 13th, 2005 at 8:22 amSam:
That's a nice page from the GOP playbook you have there. Unfortunately, the ostrich theory isn't going to save your architect from the pickle he's in (Delay isn't done with yet, either), and the press knows all abnout your little strategy, too:
GOP on Offense in Defense of Rove\
To borrow your words, time to throw away the playbook and develop some real strategy on where to take the country.
July 13th, 2005 at 8:27 amThe RNC strategy is to obfuscate by wailing about how the leak was not a dirty trick.
This from the Washington Post: 'Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan.) said the White House did not have to discredit Wilson. "Nobody had to do that," he said, adding that "he discredited his own report" by including unfounded allegations. The RNC talking point memo included a list of anti-Wilson lines.'
I sure hope someone in the media will hold them to the flame and point out that they are changing the subject. The issue is that Karl Rove identified a CIA agent, not why he identified a CIA agent.
July 13th, 2005 at 9:39 amIf Plame was a covert agent, who identified her to Rove? Does the name Bolton come to mind?
July 13th, 2005 at 10:06 amIs it clear to everyone by now that it doesn't matter whether or not the covert agent is identified by name? There is nothing in the law to that effect.
July 13th, 2005 at 10:22 amAppropriate suggestions and responses from just about all.
It's clear that none of us expect THIS administration to lift a finger against one of their own, no matter how hypocritical it is. Maybe it is time to take to the streets, you know, the old 60's/70's Protest march & whatnot. That still won't budge the administration to move, hell, dynamite wouldn't. But some forces of nature, say a flood of citizens, would at least get their and the medias attention.
I am still laughing at the RNC plants with their mealy parroting of the talking points here...lol. DO you really think that balloon is gonna fly here? Damn, you are stupider than I gave you credit for.
July 13th, 2005 at 10:38 amSam, get your head out of your ass...
July 13th, 2005 at 10:55 amI agree with the post by Carolyn. Dems in congress & Media Whores are in part to blame for the some of the awful things the Bushies have been able to get away with. Protestors in LARGE numbers must rise up, and soon. We can make a difference.
July 13th, 2005 at 11:29 amLooks like Republicans do have a strategy on where to take the country: deep in debt, war, and corruption.
From leaking CIA agents, to gerrymandering, to fixed intelligence, to secret government contracts, one cannot accuse them of lacking ideas.
Definitely not the Party of No. They can't say no when it comes to lobbyists.
July 13th, 2005 at 11:38 amIn the meantime, the DSM is OFF THE FRONT PAGE and so is CHIMPEACHMENT. Mission Accomplished.
July 13th, 2005 at 11:57 amIt really is so simple. If Mr. Rove is innocent, why not talk to the press? Why let the taxpayers pay for a special prosecutor if no crime was committed? He could have done this right after the Novak column, if, a very big if now, he were truly innocent. Republicans for Treason should be the new bumper sticker for Democrats.
JBP
July 13th, 2005 at 12:25 pmMarblex,
This scandal reinforces the DSM. Plame was outed because Wilson wouldn't cooperate with the intelligence fixing.
The two are tied together and Fitzgerald will do a good job of tying the two.
This is a backdoor approach to catch Bushco off guard.
July 13th, 2005 at 1:22 pmIt's a brilliant approach.
Bush will not listen to entreates from Congressional Democrats or read petitions from liberal lobbying groups to fire his brain, Karl Rove, without whom he can't find his ass with both hands.
Why?
Because he has a Masters of Business Administration from The Harvard School Of Business, that's why.
July 13th, 2005 at 1:54 pmHey, when the flame of the candle starts to burn Rove's ass, that is when he will yell "uncle" and resign...until then, he is spinning every possible outrageous story to save his negative ass...he is a first class scum bucket...RESIGN!!
July 13th, 2005 at 1:55 pmEveryone seems so eager to jump on the Democrats in Congress and, perhaps with justification in Bush's first term. But, watching C-Span I have seen some heated protests by both House Members and Senators. They have been so minimalized by the other party they cannot even take part in any committee meetings and are treated with contempt. But, in many cases, as in the ethics committee, they stood their ground and stopped the Republicans from turning it into a whitewash for Delay and company. It seems to me the Democrats have been reborn since the electon and, if we had elections that weren't subject to blatant fraud, they would be rewarded.
July 13th, 2005 at 2:57 pmHere is how "sam"'s comment (#28, above) could have played, 32 years ago:
Listen,
The media, the left and democrats are all making too big a deal over this BREAK-IN. Most Americans are not paying attention to this story. I should say that most in MIDDLE AMERICA could even care less. This will blow over in a couple of weeks. NIXON will keep his position and the democrats will again look like the fools they are. Think back to a few months ago when the media had you believe that NIXON had no choice but to resign. Time to throw away the playbook and develop some real strategy on where to take the country guys.
Comment by Sam
(You know, the more things change..!)
p.s to sam: it's "Democratic Party", and capitalize it, please.
July 13th, 2005 at 4:01 pmDeja vu, 1973. But as sure as God made little green apples, 1974 arrived on schedule.
July 13th, 2005 at 5:41 pmIt's not too soon for the twins to buy their helicopter attire.
Why are all the headlines pushing for Rove to be fired. This guy needs to be put in jail! Don't fire Rove, send him to Jail.
July 13th, 2005 at 8:08 pmDON'T FIRE ROVE! SEND HIM TO JAIL!
July 13th, 2005 at 8:10 pmDON'T FIRE ROVE! SEND HIM TO JAIL!
July 13th, 2005 at 8:11 pmDON'T FIRE ROVE! SEND HIM TO JAIL!
Rove would look good in orange. The party or war, lies, deficits and harming our national security for political gain are getting less popular by the minute.
July 13th, 2005 at 9:33 pmPeople are waking up.
Rove will be fired? maybe. Rove will not go to jail? highly likely. Rove has served as an incredible distraction? absolutely. Distraction from the Downing Street Memos; from the illegal war; the war crimes and torture practices; from the economy; from the Bush supported Unicol sale to China; and the rest of the Bush fukc-America-acts. Why the instant turn-on by the mainstream press, in mass, regarding Rove? The same media which has been under fire for apparently taking marching orders in unison from centralized corporate power elite. Enough of Rove, don't fire him, send him to jail. And let's get back to taking down criminal Bush and Cheney, and maybe even the Bank bosses.
July 13th, 2005 at 11:16 pmGreen, I've posted this many times. Now listen closely.
Yes, the media dropped the ball on the DSM.
However, the outing was a tactic to "fix intelligence"...okay?
Wilson would not give BushCo the information they wanted to hear so they retaliated against him.
The outing of Plame reinforces the minutes taken on Downing Street.
Fitzgerald is coming in from the back door by distracting BushCo (they only think their off the hook) and getting them to make recorded statements to use against them for illegally attacking Iraq.
It's brilliant
July 14th, 2005 at 1:32 amSusan, run that by me one more time. Or at least direct me to some more detailed strategy plan. I must warn you I am not a democrat. I'm an independent. I don't care for the democrats as much as I don't care for republicans. Bill Clinton is the man responsible for opening the flood gates for media consolidation. Centralizing media power has done more harm for socio-political progress than anything else.It has shut off the public's loudspeaker for blaring truth.
July 14th, 2005 at 4:20 amGreenback:
Bill Clinton is the man responsible for opening the flood gates for media consolidation.
Actually, Ronald Reagan is responsible for opening the floodgate on media consolidation. The Fairness Doctrine was done away with under him, and his FCC paved the way for the hard core consolidation we see now.
"In 1986, a federal court ruled that the Fairness Doctrine did not have the force of law and could be overturned without congressional approval. Congress passed a bill to make the doctrine law but the bill was vetoed by President Reagan in 1987 and the Fairness Doctrine was abolished." - Source
Blaming Clinton for it is just wrong.
July 14th, 2005 at 5:43 amYou missed my point, John.
July 14th, 2005 at 11:21 amBill Clinton enhanced media giants stranglehold around the public's oppurtunities to voice themselves. Enhanced!
July 14th, 2005 at 11:24 amJohn, my comment started at #45. It regards the major distraction Rove has created while killing the momentum of, among many things, The Downing Street Memos.
July 14th, 2005 at 11:28 amGreenback-
I understand (and agree with) your larger point of the "distraction", but regarding your comment of Clinton opening the "floodgates", I still have to disagree.
Perhaps you feel that Clinton helped swing the gates open a bit wider, but the fact remains that Reagan opened those gates, and not Clinton.
It's a minor sticking point, and I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
July 14th, 2005 at 12:29 pmLetter to Senator Ken Salazar:
July 14th, 2005 at 1:42 pmI am writing to tell you how outraged I am about Karl Rove and his admission to leaking the CIA agent’s identity. Anyone who leaks that kind of information has, in my opinion, committed treason and should be tried in the courts as a traitor. Just losing his job as prescribed by Senator Kerry and other Democrats is not good enough for Mr. Rove. If found guilty, not only should he be imprisoned, but anyone who continues to support his actions should be investigated. President Bush has openly said that Mr. Rove still has his confidence. In doing so, he is admitting that he favors his friends over the security of the United States. He took an oath to support and live by the constitution, and as President, to protect and defend the citizens of America.
By his actions, Mr. Rove is no better than a spy and should be treated as such. By his silence, Mr. Bush is saying that Mr. Rove is above the law. No one, including the president, is above the law. This is not a matter of Democrats vs. Republicans. This is a matter of Karl Rove vs. the people of the United States.
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