More Ari Whispers
By on Jul 15th, 2005 at 2:22 pm
More Ari Whispers
Was Ari Fleischer the second leaker?
On Wednesday, we laid out the evidence suggesting grand jury investigators may believe he is. Now this, from the New York Daily News (via Carpetbagger):
Along with Bush political guru Karl Rove, the grand jury is investigating what role, if any, ex-White House mouthpiece Ari Fleischer may have played in the revelation that the former covert operative Plame was married to former Ambassador Joe Wilson.
“Ari’s name keeps popping up,” said one source familiar with special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald’s probe.
Another source close to the probe added there is renewed interest in Fleischer, “based on Fitzgerald’s questions.”
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You liberal whiners are just upset that you don’t have Ari’s good looks.
July 15th, 2005 at 2:24 pm“Better watch what you say”-Ari
July 15th, 2005 at 2:31 pmWhat on earth would be Ari’s interest in doing this?? I hate Ari, but it does not add up.
July 15th, 2005 at 2:34 pmI would really like to understand why this story has any relevance? It is done. Kaput. There is nothing more to say. Democrats must really be idiots if they think they can convince Bush to fire Rove or that he will just resign.
July 15th, 2005 at 2:36 pm#1: Hey, looks like Jeff Gannon just posted
July 15th, 2005 at 2:37 pmAri: handy scapegoat?
July 15th, 2005 at 2:40 pmCHENEY is the one they’re protecting.
He’s the one who lied about the yellowcake and who was undoubtedly involved at some level, probably with Mr. Bolton’s assistance, in forging the documents.
CHENEY told ROVE to leak PLAME to shut WILSON up.
WILSON was outing CHENEY’s bullshit claim about yellowcake.
KEEP YOUR EYES ON THE BALL, PEOPLE.
July 15th, 2005 at 2:42 pmI was going to say Ari’s no fool. But then again, there is something fundamentally wrong with a Jew working for a Rapture nut.
July 15th, 2005 at 2:43 pm#7, I hate to succumb to the gossip, but what the hell else could absorb 2 years of investigation if it weren’t as seedy as you say…
July 15th, 2005 at 2:46 pmBrian, nothing…absolutely nothing at all. Cheney is the key.
Cheney
Rummy
Wolfowitz
Feith
Libbey
All Nixon imperialists who have been trying to inflict their New World Order for 40 years.
PLAME’S outing was as stupid as the Watergate burglary, but both acts were born of the same arrogance.
Are we at last at a point in these daily revelations where we can now consider the Bush administration COMPLICIT in these terror attacks?
THEY HAVE BENEFITTED NO ONE BUT THE ADMINISTRATION AND ITS CORPORATE CRONYS.
From 9/11 itself to date, these ARE ALL PLANNED BLACK BAG OPERATIONS INTENDED TO CREATE THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THE CURTAILING (DESTRUCTION) OF CIVIL LIBERTIES, THE UNLEASHING OF THE WAR MACHINE AND THE IMPOVERISHMENT AND DESTRUCTION OF THE MIDDLE CLASS.
See who these pricks are for yourselves:
http://www.newamericancentury.org
July 15th, 2005 at 2:48 pmMarblex, dude . . . That sounds so correct.
July 15th, 2005 at 2:51 pmI can’t get away from the question:
Who’s company is rolling in multi-billion dollar no-bid contracts?
Keith, exactly… check out that website… it is their fascistic manifesto for corporate dominance of the world.
Also read about Al-CIAda’s history, who created it, who funds it, who trained its members and who supplied it: http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Al_Queda
July 15th, 2005 at 2:54 pm“Ari: handy scapegoat?”
Typical Rove deflection tactics to me!
“…there is something fundamentally wrong with a Jew working for a Rapture nut.”
Seems odd, but I am glad that our Govt. isn’t lined up behind church robes…. um, it’s not right? :)
“Who’s company is rolling in multi-billion dollar no-bid contracts?”
I see your implication in your comment, and raise you one humorous pitchfork to prod with: We all know the lesson of yellow snow. It sure ain’t lemonade in winter!
July 15th, 2005 at 2:58 pmI could say that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west and that if there were no clouds that the sky was blue and yet liberals would still say that I was lying because of who I am. I give up.
July 15th, 2005 at 2:58 pmMarblex, as painful as it may be for many to admit, you are correct. Also keep your eye on who owns the loudest voices calling for further 9/11 investigation. They will be the ones that wind up in jail or disappear. The more light that’s shed on the truth about 9/11…..the closer we get to revolution.
July 15th, 2005 at 2:59 pmPondering comment #4. If this has no relevance:
1.) then why is a grand jury investigation still going?
2.) Why are journalists and the American people listening to whats went down?
3.) why the continued attacks on Wilsonand anyone else involved?
4.) why the constant double speak and backtracking from the administration?
I think Bush and company are trying to figure out why this hasn’t blown over like everything else. I am hoping this is the straw that will eventually bring them down.
then we can mabye restore some sanity and perspective to this country.
July 15th, 2005 at 3:02 pmAlways Right, maybe you’re not lying and you just don’t know the truth and that can be excused but many of the regulars at this site have been watching closely and following along for the entire sordid debacle that has been the Bush presidency. We all know that the right is either really dishonest or really stupid. Which is it for you?
July 15th, 2005 at 3:03 pmFor a flashback on the “peculiar duplicity” of Ari Fleischer, see Jonathan Chait in The New Republic (5/30/02):
- “Defense Secretary”
For a history of Fleischer and the Bush White House “payback principle of politics,” see:
- “The Smallness of King George”
July 15th, 2005 at 3:09 pmJay – you’re an idiot. Go ahead and have more 9/11 investigations. Get that LIAR Kristen Bret (whatver her last name is) to keep claiming she voted for Bush.
You people are powerless and pathetic. No ideas, just hate and smear. If the GOP was more ruthless, they should go after Durbin for his leak, Kerry’s leak during Bolten’s hearing and Hillary just for the hell of it. You’re all LIARS!!!
July 15th, 2005 at 3:10 pmNortheast Dilemma, try not to come unhinged right here in front of all us “liberals”…it makes you look so….weak. It’ll be ok buddy, we’ll be here for you.
July 15th, 2005 at 3:13 pmSure Jay. I’m unglued. I am not the one jumping the gun on Rove and in what looks to be permanent minority status!
AND you’re the one calling for yet another 9/11 investigation in hopes of smearing our govt. But, I’m unhinged.
July 15th, 2005 at 3:16 pmPeople..google out Operation Northwoods…then weep and weep.
Once you dry your eyes, Google hunttheboeing.com
Folks, 9/11 was an inside job. Google hunttheboeing.com for starters. Read Gerard Homgren’s sardonic but scientifically sound analysis of how impossible the whole story really is in the cold light of logic.
They’ve never produced a scintilla of evidence that their story is true. They never will, either.
The pricks at PNAC needed a “catastrophic, catalyzing” event and …who gee, lookie here, Martha….big commercial airliners with fake manifests (that’s why the airlines got such a huge payoff afterwards) managed to invade U.S. airspace (even fly over the Pentagon three times before “hitting” it) without anyone even blinking an eye.
Yet…just weeks ago the pilot of a twin engine Cessna (or other equally small private plane) went off course and BAM! National emergency of the Year (except if you were Chimpy that day)
Why are they doing this? Google “concentration camps” in the U.S. Look at the bankruptcy legislation they passed — unbridled unrestrained usury (it used to be called loan sharking) and NO debt relief for the sheeple, whose jobs have disappeared, leaving the pitiful choice between unemployment, waking, working poverty with an almost-full time job at Evil-Co, which unfortunately, doesn’t quite make ends meet [OH BTW, did you hear at least one Evil-Co store has issued an edict that all employees must be willing to work any shift any time or be fired?]or the military.
They want to screen and get your kids hooked on psychotropic drugs in order to make them even more compliant than we bozos.
They are killing public education; permitting their evil corporate cronys to buy up every grain of sand, whilst they destroy all of Earth’s natural, indiginous crops and replace them with their own patented tm registered personal private seed crop; they poison our water so they can sell you bottled water; they are poisoning our air supply…how long will it be before these vultures (my apologies to vultures) offer an exclusive privatized market for cans of breathable air?
Someone questioned how Chimpy plans to veto an amendment to an act that has a sunset provision; in other words, a bill that will expire under its own terms, veto or not. Clearly the amendment offered by the House is intended to replace existing provisions IF the Patriot Act is to remain in place. Otherwise, the sunset provision would just become active and the PA would expire.
July 15th, 2005 at 3:17 pmCome unhinged? Too late…
July 15th, 2005 at 3:17 pmThis is all they have left:
“in what looks to be permanent minority status!”
Sad.
July 15th, 2005 at 3:18 pmTre – what is sad about it? You people won’t reason with facts so maybe I need to remind you what your conspiracy theories cost you.
July 15th, 2005 at 3:19 pmThat’s right, bitch. It’s “our” gvt. and we will do what we like with it.
July 15th, 2005 at 3:19 pmWhat’s sad, you little bitch, is that you think we fear you, or what you say, or even pay attention to it. We don’t.
July 15th, 2005 at 3:21 pmwe laugh at it
July 15th, 2005 at 3:21 pmTre – that requires selling a plan to the American people. Not something anyone on this site is really capable of doing.
Instead of running against Bush, why don’t you develop an alternative like the GOP did in 94 with Contract With America? It appears to me that you all are beyond constructive ideas at this point.
July 15th, 2005 at 3:21 pmNortheast Dilemma,
The issue is that we are dealing with facts and you with fantasy. As Paul Krugman put it today “there is no longer such a thing as nonpolitical truth”. Everything either comes from rightwing loony world (sorry but it’s the best description that I can come up with…ok how about nonreality) or it’s the truth. Sorry, but that email was unhinged, even a neutral bystander would have to concede that.
July 15th, 2005 at 3:24 pmIf you are right, why aren’t you on vacation someplace spending your money? I’ll tell you why, because you are shitting bricks right now.
July 15th, 2005 at 3:24 pmI think the Contract With America is dead – apparently there was something in there about a balanced budget and something else about no sleaze or ethics if they gained power. I feel like a cheap date, Gingrich and the GOP just lied to get in my pants. I’m still trying to get them out.
July 15th, 2005 at 3:25 pmJay – Krugman is the end all be all on truth? The guy is still touting the US recession that ended four years ago. He’s a liar. Any reasonable person knows this.
July 15th, 2005 at 3:26 pmG0P = pie in the sky perpetual motion machines. The people are done with it. Scam, C0Nservative…. you get the idea
July 15th, 2005 at 3:26 pmLook bitch, if you are right, go count your money. Your continued presence here belies your false bravado, and you are pissing and sweating all over the place.
July 15th, 2005 at 3:29 pmFunny how the republicans don’t spend to much time discussing thier constant attacks on the clinton administration for 8 years. I am guessing that it was somehow “different” with a democratic president.
The republicans started the mudslinging, and name calling. The devicevness in politics comes largly from the neo con side. Any on who tries to put a stop to the foolishness of the Bush admin is steamrolled as terrorist loving commie.
give me a break and come up with something new, or a good argument. Northeast seems to think bluster and tough talk are all you need to solve a problem.
July 15th, 2005 at 3:30 pmThey have no arguments, only bullshit, and everyone knows it now.
July 15th, 2005 at 3:31 pmKranzy – the attacks on Clinton were payback for Bork, Clarence Thomas and Bush 41. So actually, it was payback in the making.
Interesting you smeared Thomas over a pubic hair, but cried politics when Clinton was accused of rape.
July 15th, 2005 at 3:32 pmNortheast, the right attacks Krugman beacuse he calls them out on their lies. He is one of a short list of influential voices that has had the courage to speak out and he has been predictably smeared by the right, but his facts are unassailable and you need to learn that.
“the US recession that ended four years ago. ”
What economy are you living in? You can’t be serious. So you’ve asnwered my earlier question. It’s stupidity.
July 15th, 2005 at 3:32 pmThey didn’t even have a plan or a platform. Just false advertising. If they were a business, they’d be Enroned.
July 15th, 2005 at 3:32 pmUnemployment rate – 5.0%
GDP – 3.8%
Consumer confidence – 96.0
Oil – rather high, maybe we should drill domestically
The housing market is roaring. Liberals have now been reduced to trashing a good economy. So pathetic.
July 15th, 2005 at 3:34 pmthe attacks on Clinton were payback for Bork
Payback is a bitch, bitch. I’d move to Mexico if I were you. Get while you can. We might just intern you after we take over. With Michele Malkin.
July 15th, 2005 at 3:35 pmCorrection:
Thomas was lambasted for the accustations that he sexually harassed Anita Hill.
Bill Clinton has consensual sex with another adult.
See the difference?
July 15th, 2005 at 3:36 pmUnemployment rate – 5.0%
GDP – 3.8%
Consumer confidence – 96.0
Oil – rather high, maybe we should drill domestically
The housing market is roaring. Liberals have now been reduced to trashing a good economy. So pathetic.
Comment by The Northeast Dilemma â€â€
Like I said, payback is a bitch, bitch. Game to rough?
July 15th, 2005 at 3:37 pmyou forgot nixon in your list Northeast.
So by your reasoning it should be okay for the democrats to try to take down bush and co. After all its just payback for clinton then.
July 15th, 2005 at 3:37 pmAll of that crap is crap, BTW.
July 15th, 2005 at 3:38 pmDilemma, when was the last time you got a raise?
Adding jobs that pay less are part-time and don’t provide health insurance aren’t a success story. This economy has been expanding for the wealthy but the middle class (as it always does under conservative leadership) is contracting. That’s the goal. For your sake, I hope you’re a billionaire.
July 15th, 2005 at 3:39 pmJay – Kathleen Willey, Juanita Broderick and Paula Jones were not consensual. Stop being a hypocrite. I admit – we got Clinton on good old fashioned smear. You could at least have intellectual honesty to say the same for Justice Thomas.
Of course, you won’t because you’re a liar.
July 15th, 2005 at 3:39 pmThey can dish it out but boy do they howl like pussies when turnabout happens. And turnabout is fair play, and they are fair game, and now their game is to rough. Boo-effin-hoo.
July 15th, 2005 at 3:40 pmEconomy:
Real wages falling, energy prices hitting hard, housing market widely regarded worldwide as the greatest bubble of all time (probably beating the Dutch Tulip bubble of the 17th century by now). Unemployment rate 5.0% – sure, but then we can only buy so many pizzas from each other.
Drill domestically? You have to be kidding me – ANWR has the capability to supply 3% of the US daily need when it could be on stream earliest in 2010 or so. Get out of your Hummer and smell the doom on energy, sports fans.
July 15th, 2005 at 3:40 pm#44 – Kranzy, I concur. However, if you look back to Clinton, Republicans got little short term gain out of it. Be careful is all I am saying. Bushies are a little more savvy than Clinton’s people too.
July 15th, 2005 at 3:41 pmNED is not the one in permanent minority status… but sure seems to be working towards that goal.
The Yellowphants were able to convince the most isolated 51% of America, the 51% with the least contact with the rest of the world. Guess what the rest of the world thinks about you. And more facts will come out. They will look remarkably similar to the Rove case. You’d think, if Bush wasn’t a fool, his approval rating would go up, not down, as his policies take effect. Huh.
July 15th, 2005 at 3:41 pmRiiiight, Clinton was a rapist, I forgot. And Dubya was a Vietnam was hero along with Dick Cheney and Karl Rove.
Good grief.
July 15th, 2005 at 3:41 pmBlow it out yer ass, bitch, it’s your turn in the barrel.
July 15th, 2005 at 3:41 pmSay it, Hippie.
July 15th, 2005 at 3:42 pmBoo Hoo
July 15th, 2005 at 3:43 pmJay – got ya – didn’t I. Liar.
X-hippie and current moron, please continue to trash Bush voters. We’ll use that to keep them in our tent you ideological bigot.
July 15th, 2005 at 3:43 pmhttp://www.radaronline.com/fresh-intelligence/2005/07/15/index.php#report_001810
read it
July 15th, 2005 at 3:44 pmNovak ratted them all out!
July 15th, 2005 at 3:45 pmLMAO! Boy you got a dilemma now, pal!
July 15th, 2005 at 3:45 pmNortheast, yup, you got me, guess the gig is up.
I wish stupidity was painful.
July 15th, 2005 at 3:46 pmGM just laid off 25k
HP just announced they’ll be laying off between 5k and 25k.
That economy is just soaring along.
July 15th, 2005 at 3:51 pmLet’s throw some General lying to Congress on the bonfire.
http://www.sanluisobispo.com/mld/sanluisobispo/news/politics/12135066.htm
Burn, baby, burn…
July 15th, 2005 at 3:54 pmyour right Bush and co is more savvy then Clintons group. I also tend to see them as less moral and ethical then Clinton, and his group. Clinton had his faults (quite a few really) But underneath he did care for the american people of all types. I have never got the impression from Bush that he gives two figs for anyone besides who gives him money.
his policies have constantly harmed the poor and middle class of this country. The republicans have played devisive politics to gain power in this country. Actively playing groups against each other, and getting their proxies to fan the flames of hatred. Every time I hear of christianity under attack I shake my head and wonder who truly believes that the left is trying to take religion away. Similarly the talking heads have used issues of abortion, gay rights and a myriad other issues to divide us.
we have to remember at the end of the day were all still americans.
July 15th, 2005 at 3:55 pmYou know what’s really sad, and ironic, the trolls come here to get the real news, and the GOP talking points. We even get those before they do.
July 15th, 2005 at 3:57 pmwe have to remember at the end of the day were all still americans.
I reject that. They are traitors, cowards and thieves.
July 15th, 2005 at 3:58 pmToyota is building its new plant in Canada because (1) American workers are too stupid and too expensive to train and (2) Canada has socialized medicine which spares Toyota between $4-5.50 per employee.
We’re number one!
July 15th, 2005 at 4:00 pmKrazny,
I wish we could bridge the gap but I honestly think these people are too far gone. I had a history professor that once said that because of the physical size of this country, the cultural and religious differences, and economicy and politics, he foresaw a fragmentation and the breaking up of the state. I think he was prescient.
July 15th, 2005 at 4:01 pmOnce the ball gets rolling, it picks up speed and momentum and nothing can stop it.
Might wanna see if you can get a tape or transcript of the Randi Rhodes show. Conyers was just on saying he was looking into the possibility of impeaching Rove directly, based upon a fine reading of the Constitution.
July 15th, 2005 at 4:02 pmKranzy – Bush is so despised and uncaring, he got 51% of the vote. You people are priceless. At least I know how Bush’s legacy will be – you all said the same thing about another great President, Ronald Reagan. Trashed his very good economy, called his supporters fools, blah, blah, blah….
I said Bush was savvy – Clinton was a liar who wasn’t paying attention to terrorism when he should have been. He also handed Bush a recession. He really cared.
July 15th, 2005 at 4:04 pmNo Tre its true. were all still Americans and were all in the pile of crap. If we don’t work together to clean it up the situation will only get worse. I agree with some of the conservative goals. A balanced budget, less intrusive government, and individual freedom. the bush admin has not lived up at all to the stated goals if the conservative party. I am unsure if they should even bear the label of republican/conservative.
If we were to look at actual agendas as oppossed to hype Clinton was way more of a conservative then either Bush or Reagan. I think Bush sr. had some of the true inkling of what it meant, but his son is seems hell bent of destroying this country.
Back to the main point however we mostly have a different opinion on how things should be done. These difference have been exploited to create our current political situation. a situation where everyone is to busy trying to make the other side look bad to actually do any work to make things better.
July 15th, 2005 at 4:05 pmStole 51% of the vote.
There isn’t any doubt of that, not among thinking people.
July 15th, 2005 at 4:05 pmConyers – that’s wonderful. Bush should soar in the polls now!! Why don’t you bring out the entire black caucus for a Fahrenheit reunion!! lol!! I have to go on that note.
July 15th, 2005 at 4:06 pmWe’re number one!
Comment by Marblex
Not for long. Now that we have demolished these criminals, traitors, cowards and thieves, we are going to start doing things right. Canada rocks, but we are going to have a lower 48 version.
July 15th, 2005 at 4:08 pmI always knew he was a racist
July 15th, 2005 at 4:09 pmClinton handed Bush a recession huh. Seems to me the economy really started to crumble after 9/11. How long had Bush been in office at that point? And what was Dubya instructed to do? HUGE TAX CUTS FOR THE WEALTHY and a multi-billion dollar invasion of a sovereign nation. Phew, just brilliant.
Bush got more like 47% of the vote and Republicans (see Blackwell, Kenneth) stole the difference.
Clinton was sounding every alarm about terrorism as he turned over the reigns and the Bushies fell asleep at the wheel. This is well-documented (and approved by the WH for distribution) in Richard Clarke’s book. It was an excellent read BTW.
July 15th, 2005 at 4:09 pmIf you understand that the Democratic party is corporate lite, then you already know that Kerry was part of the well orchestrated plan to continue the looting, raping and pillaging of America. His loyalties are to the Skull and Bones society, not this country. He ran a purposefully lukewarm campaign so that the corporate advertising media could credibly claim that the race was close.
Folks, it’s ugly, but it’s time to pull your heads out of your asses.
July 15th, 2005 at 4:11 pmClinton wasn’t paying attention to terrorism? Gads! Where on earth did you hear that? Fox News? Hannity? Or did the Head Chimp tell you that Himself as you were, um, giving him h**d?
July 15th, 2005 at 4:12 pmI still don’t accept that. It has to end here, or our grandkids will go through this again. They are a form of rot, that must be cut out of the framework.
July 15th, 2005 at 4:12 pmcomment #69
nice bit of revisionist history. Its time to face facts, Reagan was nice guy but a lousy president. his economy was one of the worst in the history aside from our current one, and the great depression.
Its time to admit that supply side/reaganomics DON’T WORK.
Clinton was heading into a slight recession, but Bush pushed it farther down with his tax cuts, corporate handouts, and of course the invasion of Iraq.
And I would like to point out that Clintons terror experts tried to warn Bush about Al-Qaida and other terrorist actions. It was Bush who ignored the now infamous Al-Quaida determined to attack in the U.S. memo not clinton. It was Bush who spent his half of his first six months as president on vacation, it was Bush who sat on a stool listening to “my pet goat” when the news was announced by and aid that the world trade center was attacked.
The canard that Clinton was weak on terror has been disproven over and over again.
July 15th, 2005 at 4:13 pmI know that Marblex. rot lite.
July 15th, 2005 at 4:13 pmtre,
Rove is here to stay! When are you going to wake up and realize that? By the way, what kind of impeachment hearing were you thinking anyway. Even if all of the democrats vote for impeachment, you still don’t get a majority. Get it? You guys are in the minority. Maybe if I say it enough times you will understand. That is why the democratic party is imploding. They don’t understand what it means to be the minority. In fact, they don’t even realize it yet. Maybe after losing a few more seats they will.
July 15th, 2005 at 4:13 pmHe’s gone. Mention Conyers and he goes all racist and leaves.
July 15th, 2005 at 4:15 pmThe canard that Clinton was weak on terror has been disproven over and over again.
When was Clinton tough on terror? Was that after the first WTC attack or the embassy bombings in Africa or the US Cole attack? I must have missed something.
July 15th, 2005 at 4:16 pmWeren’t Repuglicans in the minority once? And didn’t they rebuild with the help of an evil, pernicious and corrupt opposition party. Thanks for doing your part, stupid.
July 15th, 2005 at 4:17 pmTo the Republicans who cannot resist the temptation to dispell the Rove controversy.
The more you defend him, the more he looks guilty.
You keep saying there’s nothing to it but for some reason you can’t stop talking about the criminal(s).
Marblex, you are right on and this crime of treason, no matter who takes the fall will be connected to the DSM and the entire Administration is going down.
The amount of rhetoric from the right proves that we have a very strong case.
Too bad for them they are out numbered and nobody’s listening to their garbage.
votetoimpeach.org
July 15th, 2005 at 4:18 pmRove is here to stay? Great! At least they’ll know where to find him when it comes time to arrest his overly large Queen a**.
July 15th, 2005 at 4:19 pmThese morons take everything too literally. From Hayek to the Bible. No wonder no one else takes them seriously.
July 15th, 2005 at 4:19 pmFor starters Clinton had out government rund down and bring to justice those responsible for the attack on wtc, US cole etc.
seems like Bush is having a tough time finding Bin Laden
July 15th, 2005 at 4:21 pmRove is beside the point and so is Miller. The real story is that this is all part of a cover up for CHENEY.
HE is the one who promulgated the yellowcake story
WILSON exposed it as a lie
CHENEY told ROVE to out PLAME (My money is on BOLTON involved in the forgeries AND the outing in some way) in order to discredit WILSON.
But…it all comes back to THE FAKE WMD rationale for the Iraqi war. A war Vice President Cheneyburton wanted desperately because of all those fat no bid contrats PLUS the opportunity to loot the treasury.
This is the same bunch of “advisors” who kept us in NAM and urged Nixon to pursue an Imperial Presidency, who “advised” Reagan to destroy the economic life of middle Amerika.
Are we at last at a point in these daily revelations where we can now consider the Bush administration COMPLICIT in these terror attacks?
THEY HAVE BENEFITTED NO ONE BUT THE ADMINISTRATION AND ITS CORPORATE CRONYS.
From 9/11 itself to date, these ARE ALL PLANNED BLACK BAG OPERATIONS INTENDED TO CREATE THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THE CURTAILING (DESTRUCTION) OF CIVIL LIBERTIES, THE UNLEASHING OF THE WAR MACHINE AND THE IMPOVERISHMENT AND DESTRUCTION OF THE MIDDLE CLASS.
See who these pricks are for yourselves:
http://www.newamericancentury.org
July 15th, 2005 at 4:23 pmMarblex,
its going to take some good hard to proof to convince me and most of the rest of America about your conspiracy theories.
I have enough just enough hope that no matter who corrupt our government is it would not sink to that level. I do think that the Bush admin has used fear and hate to drive thier corporate economic agenda. In many ways Bush is a manchurian candidate.
July 15th, 2005 at 4:27 pmby the corporations for the corporations.
Marblex, Bolton is involved: http://www.tompaine.com/articles/20050511/boltons_yellowcake.php
July 15th, 2005 at 4:31 pmseems like Bush is having a tough time finding Bin Laden
So you think that Bush should have just prosecuted the terrorists? Hmm. Do also believe that by just capturing Bin Laden, all terrorism just ends. If you do, you are awfully naive. Bin Laden is just one man. They have an entire network. If Clinton had taken custody of him when he should have, maybe that network would be much smaller. That is why we cannot appease terrorists. There is only one solution possible. This difference in philosophy is the key reason why Kerry lost the election last fall. Think about it.
July 15th, 2005 at 4:42 pmI am not trying to “convince” anyone. Truth is true whether you believe it or not. So believe it or live in denial.
The truth is available if you want to see it.
And, since you obviously are equipped with a computer AND internet access, you have all you need to find your own proof. I have given you some starters (see above links too).
Start at http:www.newamericancentury.org
then read this
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/holmgren01.htm
Look up: Operation Northwoods
Check out: Hunttheboeing.com
Google 911 truth, investigation, etc.
Read about AlCIAda: http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Al_Queda
These are just starting points. Also, there is a great deal of misinformation but you will find the truth…if you want to.
I can only explain it. I can’t make you understand it and it’s no skin off my nose if you believe it or don’t.
Just sharing 411.
July 15th, 2005 at 4:42 pmTerrytheturtle: Thanks a bunck for the Bolton confirmation. McGovern is a CIA man and knows what he’s talking about too.
I KNEW it.
Bolton-Cheney
BOLTON IS THE HEAD OF PNAC
http:www.newamericancentury.org
Fascists, every one.
Leo Strauss=neocon=neonazi…same philosophy. Same ideologies. Same lack of any moral compass or concern for humanity.
The beast has ris again…
July 15th, 2005 at 4:45 pmHere is PNAC’s “Mission Statement” from 1997. Note the 1997 membership, listed at its conclusion.
June 3, 1997
American foreign and defense policy is adrift. Conservatives have criticized the incoherent policies of the Clinton Administration. They have also resisted isolationist impulses from within their own ranks. But conservatives have not confidently advanced a strategic vision of America’s role in the world. They have not set forth guiding principles for American foreign policy. They have allowed differences over tactics to obscure potential agreement on strategic objectives. And they have not fought for a defense budget that would maintain American security and advance American interests in the new century.
We aim to change this. We aim to make the case and rally support for American global leadership.
As the 20th century draws to a close, the United States stands as the world’s preeminent power. Having led the West to victory in the Cold War, America faces an opportunity and a challenge: Does the United States have the vision to build upon the achievements of past decades? Does the United States have the resolve to shape a new century favorable to American principles and interests?
We are in danger of squandering the opportunity and failing the challenge. We are living off the capital — both the military investments and the foreign policy achievements — built up by past administrations. Cuts in foreign affairs and defense spending, inattention to the tools of statecraft, and inconstant leadership are making it increasingly difficult to sustain American influence around the world. And the promise of short-term commercial benefits threatens to override strategic considerations. As a consequence, we are jeopardizing the nation’s ability to meet present threats and to deal with potentially greater challenges that lie ahead.
We seem to have forgotten the essential elements of the Reagan Administration’s success: a military that is strong and ready to meet both present and future challenges; a foreign policy that boldly and purposefully promotes American principles abroad; and national leadership that accepts the United States’ global responsibilities.
Of course, the United States must be prudent in how it exercises its power. But we cannot safely avoid the responsibilities of global leadership or the costs that are associated with its exercise. America has a vital role in maintaining peace and security in Europe, Asia, and the Middle East. If we shirk our responsibilities, we invite challenges to our fundamental interests. The history of the 20th century should have taught us that it is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge, and to meet threats before they become dire. The history of this century should have taught us to embrace the cause of American leadership.
Our aim is to remind Americans of these lessons and to draw their consequences for today. Here are four consequences:
• we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global
responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;
• we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;
• we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad;
• we need to accept responsibility for America’s unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.
Such a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity may not be fashionable today. But it is necessary if the United States is to build on the successes of this past century and to ensure our security and our greatness in the next.
Elliott Abrams Gary Bauer William J. Bennett Jeb Bush
Dick Cheney Eliot A. Cohen Midge Decter Paula Dobriansky Steve Forbes
Aaron Friedberg Francis Fukuyama Frank Gaffney Fred C. Ikle
Donald Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad I. Lewis Libby Norman Podhoretz
Dan Quayle Peter W. Rodman Stephen P. Rosen Henry S. Rowen
Donald Rumsfeld Vin Weber George Weigel Paul Wolfowitz
July 15th, 2005 at 4:48 pmNo I don’t think catching Bin Laden will end world terrorism. However to fight a smart war against bin Laden, al-Quiada, and fundmental islam invading Iraq was clearly not the smart thing to do. its funny that you and others like you always resort to that attack when bush’s inability to capture bin Laden is mentioned.
July 15th, 2005 at 4:48 pmBolton was involved? Wow! Amazing news. Doesn’t surprise me in the least. They’re all trying to cover each other’s back. The house of cards is falling apart.
What a snake pit the MonkeyPalace is.
July 15th, 2005 at 4:50 pmhttp://democraticaction.org/video/rove_small.wmv
More trouble for the Rovester
http://atrios.blogspot.com/2005_07_10_atrios_archive.html#112145887575832596
July 15th, 2005 at 4:51 pmIt doesn’t look good
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/07/15/dean.rove/
July 15th, 2005 at 4:54 pmDo also believe that by just capturing Bin Laden, all terrorism just ends.
Yes, the Bush apologists always toss this red herring out there whenever the obvious fact that the mastermind behind 9/11 is still running loose is brought up.
Catching Bin Laden was priority one for Bush when it was politically useful, and really not that important once the trolls like Always Wrong swallowed this herring hook, line and sinker.
July 15th, 2005 at 4:55 pmThe beast has ris again…
Comment by Marblex
Yep. And we don’t want to have noting to do with it. I say we dust off and nuke it from orbit. Just to be on the safe side.
July 15th, 2005 at 4:56 pmMore food for thought:
What a coincidence:
September 11, 1973, Richard Nixon helped rupture Chile
Sept 11, 1991 Pres GHW Bush announces “New World Order”
Sept 11 2001: . . .
NEWSFLASH: 9/11/01: CHENEY IN CHARGE OF NORAD. CONDUCTS FIVE “WAR GAMES” TWO OF WHICH ARE CONFIRMED TO INVOLVE FLYING PLANES INTO BUILDINGS” AND the Air Force was stood down
http://www.global-conspiracies.com/were_stand_down_intercept_orders_given_on_the_morning_of_911.htm
http://www.oilempire.us/wargames.html
Jist fer starters
July 15th, 2005 at 4:56 pmMarblex,
I like your posts and agree with a lot of what you say. I too believe that there is a lot more to the story of 9/11 that needs to be discovered. However, I have one bone of contention. In post #71 you say:
Stole 51% of the vote.
There isn’t any doubt of that, not among thinking people.
But then in #76 you say about Kerry:
He ran a purposefully lukewarm campaign so that the corporate advertising media could credibly claim that the race was close.
So Kerry bagged the election and the R’s stole it. I think its one or the other. Do you think it’s both?
July 15th, 2005 at 5:04 pmTerry: I don’t know if you’ve read Gerard Homgren’s debunking of the 9/11 “official” fairy tale. http://www.serendipity.li/wot/holmgren01.htm
Then check out this site:
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Al_Queda
Also remember, on the eve of Johnson’s pullout from Vietnam, Nixon’s campaign (again engineered assisted and driven by the same cast of supporting actors) thwarted that by claiming to the SVN government that Nixon would offer them a better deal.
The result? Seven more years of war war war, death and killing.
THESE people are bloodthirsty cutthroats and I put absolutely nothing past them. After five years of investigating 9/11 as well as other past incidents, I have seen too much to dismiss it all as a fortunate coincidence.
It’s horrible, I know, but these guys are all sociopaths. Anyway, I follow the money (mainly) and I will just tell you that several prominent Americans and American interests benefited largely and I mean in a financial way from 9/11.
Cheneyburton is about one of the biggest beneficiaries.
Anyway, I respect your view and agree, it is possible that it was just a happy coincidence. I hope to GOD you are right and I am full of shit.
July 15th, 2005 at 5:22 pmanyone tell me why there needs to be a new US base in Paraquay? Hugo Chavez and Venezuela. You can’t call chimpy a pendejo and get away with it.
July 15th, 2005 at 5:28 pmdon’t know CIA maybe a chance to help control the oil supply in argentina?
July 15th, 2005 at 5:32 pmI’ll answer my own question: the Paraguay base is to intimidate the Bolivians who would like to see the oil majors pay more than 1% royalties on the gas under the Bolivian Andes. But it is part of an overall US pattern of South American intimidation that of course includes Senor Chavez.
July 15th, 2005 at 5:44 pmCIA is right, it’s Venezuelan oil that makes a large base in South America essential.
As far as 9/11 goes, I just read a really interesting article last night on the physics of the towers going down (may be linked to above?) and it very convincingly debunks the fact that the steel core columns in those towers crumbled “pancake” style in as short a time as they did due jet fuel. Something detonated and it was a controlled implosion as was Building 7 next door. If you want to look at it from a purely scientific, forensic standpoint, check out:
http://physics911.net/
July 15th, 2005 at 5:46 pmLook up “liquifaction.”
July 15th, 2005 at 5:53 pmJay, who is the US military protecting the Venezuelan oil from?
July 15th, 2005 at 5:55 pmI think it’s similar reasoning to having a strong military presence in the Gulf (especailly Iraq), the US government and more specifically the oil men currently in charge know all too well that we are reaching the end of the inexpensive “light sweet crude” that has allowed our economy to flourish, suburbia to exist, American families to own 2.5 cars, etc.
July 15th, 2005 at 6:06 pmInstead of admiiting that it’s a serious but solvable problem, they have opted for the “grab the oil” solution. Current and future wars, though they may dress them up with dishonest reasons like freeing the Iraqi people and spreading freedom (ridiculous) thoughout the world, are really all about the Great Game and jockeying for the resource that is many, many times more efficient than all of the others.
Oil, Schmoil. Bush is a psychopath. He wants to go after Hugo for calling him a pendejo. The others are happy to get him riled up and turn him loose and scoop up the cash and the oil while chimpy plays cowboy.
July 15th, 2005 at 6:16 pmdo you have a link to Hugo calling Bush a pendejo? Cause that is funnier then hell.
July 15th, 2005 at 7:08 pmWashington is a town without pity
Washington is a mean town where human sacrifice has been raised to an art form.
July 15th, 2005 at 7:22 pmHere you go. http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/03/281815.shtml
July 15th, 2005 at 7:22 pmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pendejo
July 15th, 2005 at 9:41 pmMarblex,
I’m not much of a conspiracy theorist on the 9/11 tower collapse, but I do find it suspicious that jet fuel doesn’t burn hot enough to liquify steel – it’s several hundred degrees too cold in its burning temperatures. The theories I’ve heard that explain this is that the collapse only required the softening of the steel, and not its melting, but I do say that does throw a small light of suspicion on the topic for me… I’m not convinced, and I’m a rational mind that prefers proof, but I’m also open minded enough to know that this sort of mass manipulation is not below the NeoCon (child of Leo Strauss) modern Nazis that currently run the administration…
July 16th, 2005 at 6:34 pmWe need every American to see this video. What are some ways in which we can make this happened?
Television, email, mass media…..
How much does it cost to obtain air time?
I was thinking it may be possible to get cd’s or dvd’s donated by a company or manufacturer. Then burn “The Lone Lantern Society – September 11: Evidence to the Contrary REDUX 2006″, “Confronting the Evidence – A Call to Reopen the 911 Investigation”, “David Ray Griffin – The 911 Commission Report (Santa Rosa Oct. 04)”, and the actual official White House Released 911 Commission Report. Then burn that to a DVD and send it to every inhabited house in America. That is around 100 Million homes. Maybe we can give it to every other house and ask them to share with their neighbor. Or maybe a fundraiser can be made to fund houses. We could determine postage, and raw material, and ask the producers or owners of the video if they agree to mass distribution, and sponsor a certain number of homes with donations.
Let’s say it cost $2 per DVD. A $100 contribution would cover 50 houses. What do you think would happen if half of America all received a DVD of 911 on the same day? Do you think anyone would get mad? Would the media mention it? Would the government try to stop it?
I have talked to people about this issue, but skepticism is natural. They need to see for themselves. We all should. EVERY AMERICAN. If we could secure that many copies and send them out, could we get enough people curious enough to sign the petition just to investigate and obtain the security camera video from the pentagon. I hope that Americans would want more footage either proving us wrong, or proving us right. We just want the truth. If they are going to invent one, make them be good at inventing truth.
I am tired of saying something needs to be done. Let’s do it. Let’s have a massive blanket of truth rip off all those rose-colored glasses. Let everyone see for them self and decide. The media can downplay a protest as whackos with an agenda. The government could pull the plug on a television program showing these videos. Petitions can get turned down and ignored.
But…
What would happen if EVERY American home received a DVD with an American flag on the front, ALL ON THE SAME DAY!!!
Would anyone acknowledge such a phenomenal feat?
Please email me back and let’s SERIOUSLY talk about what we can do to aware the American public to the hard-fact video evidence. We have to stop them from continuing their corruption. The only way is to get the American people behind us. If we can get all the blue-collar, hard-working, beer-drinking good ole boys to start talking at the bar about that video that got in the mail, we might be able to fuel enough interest to start asking questions.
Thanks,
March 10th, 2006 at 12:33 amRobert Gonzales
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