White House Must Answer For Libby’s Role In Leak As Well
White House Must Answer For Libby’s Role In Leak As Well
It’s not just Karl Rove anymore that the White House has to answer for. It’s also I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, the chief of staff to Vice President Cheney.
We already know that it was a complete falsehood when Scott McClellan said in 2003 “it’s simply not true” that Rove was “involved in leaking classified information.” It was similarly false when McClellan denied that Libby was involved in the leak.
As reported by the Washington Post, Libby served as a source for Matt Cooper:
In a conversation that same day [July 11, 2003], Rove told Time magazine’s Matthew Cooper that Wilson’s wife was in the CIA and authorized the mission to Niger A day later, Cheney’s top aide, I. Lewis ‘Scooter’ Libby, told Cooper he had heard the same thing about Plame
And could he also have been Judith Miller’s source?:
While media coverage in recent days has focused on conversations White House senior adviser Karl Rove had with reporters, two sources say Miller spoke with Vice President Cheney’s chief of staff, I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, during the key period in July 2003 that is the focus of Fitzgerald’s investigation. The two sources, one who is familiar with Libby’s version of events and the other with Miller’s, said the previously undisclosed conversation occurred a few days before Plame’s name appeared in Robert D. Novak’s syndicated column on July 14, 2003.
But remember what McClellan said on October 10, 2003:
Q: Scott, earlier this week you told us that neither Karl Rove, Elliot Abrams nor Lewis Libby disclosed any classified information with regard to the leak. I wondered if you could tell us more specifically whether any of them told any reporter that Valerie Plame worked for the CIA?
MR. McCLELLAN: Those individuals — I talked — I spoke with those individuals, as I pointed out, and those individuals assured me they were not involved in this. And that’s where it stands.
Cheney and Libby have a very close relationship that goes back more than a decade. So where there’s Libby, there’s Cheney.
CHENEY: Mr. Libby, Lewis Libby, “Scooter,” we call him, has been an old friend of mine. He worked for me at the Pentagon. Did a superb job for me when I was secretary of defense, and I was delighted to get him to give up his very lucrative law practice and come back into public service when I became vice president. He’s running my staff operation. A superb individual and a very, very competent, capable lawyer and also a good chief of staff. [CNN, 3/4/01]
How long before the right-wing claims Libby has also been exonerated? And what did Cheney know and when did he know it?
UPDATE: The AP is reporting on Libby’s involvement, based on Matt Cooper’s appearance on Meet the Press.
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July 17th, 2005 at 2:39 amIt’s the fall of the whole administration. Slow motion, like a controlled demolition of a condemned building. Boom!
July 17th, 2005 at 7:26 amRove said the subject of his conversations with Cooper would be “declassified soon”. Sound like Cooper and Rove are one in the same, and probably why Cooper squealed.
July 17th, 2005 at 10:21 amRep. Roy Blunt seems equally apathetic by saying the CIA thinks too highly of Plame’s secrecy. Unbelievable.
July 17th, 2005 at 10:39 amI doubt we’re seeing the slow implosion of this administration. It’s a great example of politicians acting in a shoddy manner but little more. We’re used to it, expect it, and in this case (as in most others) see it vehemently defended when attacked. Nice to see this dog sniffing, but it still won’t hunt.
July 17th, 2005 at 11:01 amI hate to be cynical, jnlhnc, but when it comes time for the WH to state that the Plame affair was an accident it will probably not be met with any sympathy. The last thing that this WH is is “shoddy”.
July 17th, 2005 at 11:24 amRove said the subject of his conversations with Cooper would be “declassified soon�. Sound like Cooper and Rove are one in the same, and probably why Cooper squealed.
Rep. Roy Blunt seems equally apathetic by saying the CIA thinks too highly of Plame’s secrecy. Unbelievable.
July 17th, 2005 at 11:31 amI’ve said all along this would roll all the way up to EOB to include possibly Libby and perhaps even Cheney.
Indictments are going to be issued.
. . .
July 17th, 2005 at 11:38 amRep. King, Peter (R-NY-3rd)
July 17th, 2005 at 12:11 pmSen. Hutchison, Kay Bailey (R-TX)
Sen. Cornyn, John (R-TX)
Sen. Coleman, Norm (R-MN
Rep. Blunt, Roy (R-MO-7th
No, there won’t be a ton of sympathy out there. I only stated that this isn’t the fall of the administration as many would hope. I also don’t think it will significantly impact the way these guys do their shoddy business. (I chose that word because terms like gross negligence, incompetence, and maliciousness invoke too much bad blood and there’s already plenty).
Sadly, the worst outcome for bush and co. is a little political egg in the face. rove, the evil genius, will stay.
July 17th, 2005 at 12:26 pmI probably agree with you. I’m going to withhold judgement on how this WH will be affected. But I do think that no matter how it turns out, it will do severe damage to the GOP long term. This is not about an affair or a lie about an affair.
July 17th, 2005 at 12:34 pmThis is why it is so important to contact the point men on the right to let them know you’re listening, and that you disagree.
No, there won’t be a ton of sympathy out there. I only stated that this isn’t the fall of the administration as many would hope. I also don’t think it will significantly impact the way these guys do their shoddy business. (I chose that word because terms like gross negligence, incompetence, and maliciousness invoke too much bad blood and there’s already plenty).
Sadly, the worst outcome for bush and co. is a little political egg in the face. rove, the evil genius, will stay.
Comment by jnlhnc  July 17, 2005 @ 12:26 pm
I’d love to take some, all, of your GOP money, fool.
July 17th, 2005 at 12:40 pmObviously jnlhnc has not been keeping up. It goes to Scooter Libby and Cheney now, and conspiracy. I would love to take his money. They are all coming down. Slow, like the guy said.
July 17th, 2005 at 12:46 pmThe Time article is tomorrow. And bits are already coming out. This has already activated the point men.
July 17th, 2005 at 12:56 pmThere is nothing evil about Karl Rove. He is an extremely intlligent man, and so is GWB. Contrasting those two with the average IQ of the armchair lawyers on this blog is like comparing a spear to a toothpick.
Rove is off scot-free. As he should be.
July 17th, 2005 at 1:51 pmI’m sorry, I just can’t resist pointing out the irony of misspelling intelligent :)
They’re so intelligent, they understand how occupying Iraq will protect us from terrorists in Pakistan. I’m not smart enough to understand how that works.
So the story is, Dubya and the most isolated backwoods 51% of this country are smart, and the rest of the free world is stupid.
July 17th, 2005 at 2:22 pmWake up Karla, you’re still dreaming.
July 17th, 2005 at 2:22 pmThanks for calling me a spear.
July 17th, 2005 at 2:23 pmIs Karla possibly Fake’s wife? Wait, that would mean his wife has hands… and fingers, and opposable thumbs….
July 17th, 2005 at 2:33 pmThe real irony is chastising armchair lawyers, then being an armchair lawyer.
July 17th, 2005 at 3:04 pmTrue. Lawyering IS a fairly sedentary avocation to begin with. An “armchair lawyer” is as good a description of a Supreme Court Judge as I have ever heard.
July 17th, 2005 at 3:07 pmNot evil? I guess it depends on how you define it. On the right he’s all but worshipped and who could blame them? He’s ridden a guy with the personal drive of a three toed sloth into the white house. On the left he’s seen as the brains of a political machine that stops at nothing to succeed.
No, I don’t keep up like I used to but I’ve kept up enough to know this won’t result in too much. The guy’s behind the death of nearly 1800 great Americans and the reason they’re gone keeps changing every time another hole is blown in their logic and justification for war. Now we expect one CIA operative that’s still alive to mean something? Please.
It would be nice if something finally stuck to these guys but I’m not holding my breath. The bush spin machine, AM radio and fox news will see to it that Mencken’s prediction for who we elect to lead us will continue to adorn the white house.
July 17th, 2005 at 4:50 pmjnlhnc,
Reread #7, contact congress #9. And cheer up.
July 17th, 2005 at 5:10 pmjnlhnc,
Perhaps you should try to keep up on what’s going on more so than you have. Fitz is not going for merely a slap on the wrist. The pharisaical cultists of BushCo can spin their nonsense ad nauseum, but it doesn’t change the FACTS that add up to the TRUTH of what took place.
And to ED, Steed, Northeast, fake, and karla, I’d like to let you know that I am compiling a cookbook of tasty ideas for preparing all the crow you will have to eat when this is done. More details later.
July 17th, 2005 at 6:18 pmUnfortunately, jnlhnc may have a point. Nothing sticks to this criminal organization that has stolen our country. Short of pictures of the proverbial “dead girl/live boy,” or a surprising midterm upset, they may ride out any scandal, regardles of how it effects the country. Damn, never thought I would live long enough to see how far this country has gone down the shitter.
July 17th, 2005 at 6:48 pmKeep up more? To what end? If this were 30 years ago there would be prison on the horizon for the culprits but not in this day. The hardcore right no longer seems capable of any serious self-examination of motivation or result, let alone culpability in something criminal. You can’t even get a bush supporter to blink at the death toll hunting for wmd’s in a nation that never attacked us.
Hell, I had to look up “pharisaical” but what a great word to describe the right in this country today. As soon as I learn to pronounce it I plan to use it as often as possible. Thanks!
July 17th, 2005 at 8:08 pmnquist has come a long, long way from those early days in Arizona. It is 2,300 miles from south Phoenix to Washington.
http://www.badattitudes.com/Rehnquist.html
Comment by Say Yes Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 7:57 pm
36.
Just remember. In 2002 a DEA agent was prosecuted and convicted for leaking the name of a person in a laundering investigation. He was mad because a UK person was not being investigated so he leaked it to the London Times. That UK person was a key player in the Britan Conservative Party and in our own Republican Party. This was a pivotal case for the Bush administration and dealing with leakers. The DEA agent copped a plea and only did 1 year in prison, but was facing 580 years. This was a case under a different law than the one everyone is talking about in relation to Plame, but the same law can also be used against them. Perhaps that is where Fitzgerald is going!!
Comment by jamie  July 17, 2005 @ 8:20 pm
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2005/ 07/ 17/ podesta-on-mtp/ trackback/
1.
“Just say ‘Yes.’, Ken.� They could be certain indictments are imminent. Say “Goodnight, Ken.�
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 2:10 pm
2.
Rove said the subject of his conversations with Cooper would be “declassified soon�. Sound like Cooper and Rove are one in the same, and probably why Cooper squealed.
Rep. Roy Blunt seems equally apathetic by saying the CIA thinks too highly of Plame’s secrecy. Unbelievable.
Rep. King, Peter (R-NY-3rd)
Sen. Hutchison, Kay Bailey (R-TX)
Sen. Cornyn, John (R-TX)
Sen. Coleman, Norm (R-MN
Rep. Blunt, Roy (R-MO-7th
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:15 pm
3.
Treasonous bastards one and all. Traitors, and they are in the delicious position of having to defend treason.
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 2:25 pm
4.
I need to correct: Rove said the TOPIC of his conversations with Copper would “soon be declassified�.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:28 pm
5.
It’s the uniform stupid. This administration won’t acknowledge the legitimacy of anyone involved in the “War On Terror� unless they are wearing the appropriate uniform, even if they are on our side.
Comment by Adjectiveman  July 17, 2005 @ 2:29 pm
6.
He also said, “I’ve already said too much.�
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 2:30 pm
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Bless You Mr. Podesta.
Mr. Mehlman, you should be ashamed of yourself.
Comment by Jeff  July 17, 2005 @ 2:31 pm
8.
Yes, Yes, Ken, tomorrow is going to be ugly. Probably ugly for Cooper, also. I still cannot believe Cooper actually verbalized these things to Russert. Cooper knew it was classified, yet still wrote. Is this not how you heard it?
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:34 pm
9.
“Podesta on Meet the Press: White House Facing Credibility Deficit�??
Only since day one of the current administration…
Comment by S.D.  July 17, 2005 @ 2:40 pm
10.
although I think Cooper’s argument was that he wrote the information only after Novak outed it. The real issue is that Rove knew it was classified.
Comment by Ted  July 17, 2005 @ 2:42 pm
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Agree with Ted.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:51 pm
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I read it. I will catch it again tonite, to “see and hear�.
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 3:09 pm
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How many of you folks lived thru Watergate? Just curious.
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 3:10 pm
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Correction Ted: The real issue is Plame. And Cooper, like Rove, should be held to the same standard of “When in doubt, leave it out�.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 3:16 pm
15.
My father tells me this is worse than Nixon.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 3:18 pm
16.
Ken Mehlman looks like he has some horse somewhere in his family stump.
Pass it on. Shhhh…..
Comment by The Horse Whisper Campaigner  July 17, 2005 @ 3:44 pm
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Karl Rove: the plot thickens.
Comment by Jon  July 17, 2005 @ 3:44 pm
18.
Someone needs to write an article or author a movie or play-wher bush and his congress and advisors are all democrats-and so is roveâ€â€now would ken mehlman be saying the same thing? let’s say this was the clinton administration…what would the republicans be doing to clinton now? make me a scenario? i hope someone goes back gets the talking heads and the morning shows and the rants of the right about clinton–and shows them to the public and then shows how the republicans are acting 100% different when it is one of them on the hot seat. I am wishing for this really hard.
Comment by karin  July 17, 2005 @ 4:17 pm
19.
Mr. Podesta was so good on the program, and Mr. Mehlman was so… not. Excellent job, and congratulations.
Comment by Peteykins  July 17, 2005 @ 4:30 pm
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Don’t you worry, Karin.
Bob Schieffer just about jumped out of his skin when ROY BLUNT said the CIA was taking Plame too seriously. The talking heads are listening.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 4:44 pm
21.
Let’s say we give ole ROY BLUNT a call and let him know about personal responsibility. Forget Mehlman.
Rep. King, Peter (R-NY-3rd)
Sen. Hutchison, Kay Bailey (R-TX)
Sen. Cornyn, John (R-TX)
Sen. Coleman, Norm (R-MN
Rep. Blunt, Roy (R-MO-7th
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 4:50 pm
22.
Don’t want to insult anyone’s intelligence-but you can email members of congress from Congress.org.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 5:05 pm
23.
Karl Rove walks. He didn’t break any law. End of story.
Comment by susan  July 17, 2005 @ 5:07 pm
24.
Did you notice how tired Ken looks compared to his past outings? I am sure he hasn’t had a sound night’s sleep in about a week. And you know they plastered him with pancake makeup in a vain attempt to make him look good. He is scared shitless and he knows that something big is about to go down. My question is this: If Rove et al are so innocent in all of this why do they all look so worried and scared?
Comment by sneakerchad  July 17, 2005 @ 5:15 pm
25.
Karl Rove walks. He didn’t break any law. End of story.
Comment by susan  July 17, 2005 @ 5:07 pm
Thank you, your Honor.
Comment by Say yes Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 5:29 pm
26.
Get the latest articles and documents on Plamegate at the Karl Rove Scandal Document Library.
Comment by Jon  July 17, 2005 @ 5:32 pm
27.
It is apparent that a number of the readers and other Republicans are having some difficulty in admitting culpability in Rovegate. I have found a word association game that may lend some light to the true culprits:
G. DUHbya Bush â€â€Richard M. Nixon
Dick Cheney Spiro Agnew
Karl Rove â€â€H. R. Halderman
Condo Rice John Erlichman
Al Gonzales–Your Choice John Dean
Don Rumsfeldâ€â€G. Gordon Liddy
Hilary Clinton* â€â€Gerald Ford
* My apologies to Hilary as I doubt she will pardon DUHbya)
(and to those of you that saw it the first time on one of my earlier postings.
When doing this little exercise one should remember the look, quack, waddle and other peculiar features of the proverbial duck in terms of “if it: it must be� while keeping in mind RMN’s most famous utterance “I am not a crook!�
Comment by Don Davis  July 17, 2005 @ 5:39 pm
28.
Please delete “your choice� from in front of “John Dean.�
Mea culpa.
Comment by Don Davis  July 17, 2005 @ 5:44 pm
29.
Don,
Or as Mr. Mann used the Nixon quote in his report to Mr. Tomlinson of the CPB,�I am not a cook�!
Comment by Skid  July 17, 2005 @ 5:45 pm
30.
ED, Steed, Northeast, fake, and karla,
I’d like to let you know that I am compiling a cookbook of tasty ideas for preparing all the crow you will have to eat when this is done. More details later.
Comment by Skid  July 17, 2005 @ 6:20 pm
31.
I believe chicken george bush has proven time and again that he is not a man of his word.
Comment by merlallen  July 17, 2005 @ 6:46 pm
32.
I was a young teenager during Watergate, I remember most of it. This is better.
Comment by merlallen  July 17, 2005 @ 6:49 pm
33.
God I hope he goes down and takes others with him. But never forget, and in any case, keep plugging the connection…. Rove, Cheney…..WMD,WMD …. DSM, DSM… Treason, Treason.
Impeach Bush.
Try him for treason.
hang him.
Comment by Richard Duff  July 17, 2005 @ 6:49 pm
34.
Skid,
Thanks! I admit I had to do my homework on Tomlinson/Mann. I am sure the report reported scars on DUHbya’s palms and feet as well! I suspect DUHbya’s scars will be less obvious than that when all the issues are finally put to rest in that place where the sun don’t shine. I plan on doing my share of the pushing.
Comment by Don Davis  July 17, 2005 @ 7:27 pm
35.
Little Billy Rehnquist…
Inside each of us the little boy or girl still hides. We may even dress up in private–put on a soldier suit or a silly hat and sneak a peek in the mirror. If we have been careful in our choice of profession, we are even allowed to dress up in public. Look at RuPaul, say. Look at Oliver North testifying in his cool Marine threads. Or look at William Hubbs Rehnquist in his black robe with fat gold stripes so everybody will know he’s The Biggest Justice of Them All.
But underneath that robe hides the same little scamp, Billy Rehnquist, who used to run around the neighborhood terrorizing minority voters forty years ago.
Return with me now to those innocent days of yesteryear.
It is election day in November of 1962. We are in Phoenix, Arizona, where a young former Supreme Court clerk is doing his unlevel best to see that Barry Goldwater is elected president. The young man, William H. Rehnquist, Esq., has been director of “ballot security� operations for the local Republican Party since 1958. On this day he is the sole Republican official at a polling station in south Phoenix, which is overwhelmingly African-American, Hispanic, and Democratic.
On that same day in Phoenix another young lawyer, James J. Brosnahan, is sitting in the office of the United States Attorney in Phoenix. Mr. Brosnahan, a graduate of Harvard Law School, is an assistant U.S. attorney.
Complaints of voter harassment are pouring in from precincts in south Phoenix. Republican challengers are said to be breaking the federal law which makes it a crime to “intimidate, threaten, or coerce . . . for the purpose of interfering with the right to vote.�
Mr. Brosnahan is dispatched, along with an FBI agent, to investigate these charges of voter intimidation. Mr. Broshahan’s sworn testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee in 1986 follows:
“The complaints we received alleged in various forms that the Republican challengers were aggressively challenging many voters without having a basis for that challenge . . .
“Based on my interviews with others, polling officials, and my fellow assistant U.S. attorneys, it was my opinion in 1962 that the challenging effort was designed to reduce the number of black and Hispanic voters by confrontation and intimidation . . .
“When we arrived, the situation was tense. At that precinct I saw William Rehnquist, who was serving as the only Republican challenger (emphasis added). The FBI agent and I both showed our identifications to those concerned, including Mr. Rehnquist . . . The complaints did involve Mr. Rehnquist’s conduct. Our arrival and the showing of our identifications had a quieting effect on the situation and after interviewing several witnesses, we left. Criminal prosecution was declined as a matter of prosecutorial discretion . . .
“I have read the testimony and letter supplied by Justice Designate William Rehnquist to this committee in 1971 . . . He describes his role in the early 1960s as trying to arbitrate disputes at polling places. That is not what Mr. Rehnquist was doing when I saw him on Election Day in 1962.
“At page 491 of the 1971 Record in his letter, William Rehnquist stated: ‘In none of those years did I personally engage in challenging the qualifications of any voters.’ This does not comport with my recollection of the events I witnessed in 1962 when Mr. Rehnquist did serve as a challenger.�
Let’s be fair, though. After all, Little Billy Rehnquist has come a long, long way from those early days in Arizona. It is 2,300 miles from south Phoenix to Washington.
http://www.badattitudes.com/Rehnquist.html
Comment by Say Yes Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 7:57 pm
36.
Just remember. In 2002 a DEA agent was prosecuted and convicted for leaking the name of a person in a laundering investigation. He was mad because a UK person was not being investigated so he leaked it to the London Times. That UK person was a key player in the Britan Conservative Party and in our own Republican Party. This was a pivotal case for the Bush administration and dealing with leakers. The DEA agent copped a plea and only did 1 year in prison, but was facing 580 years. This was a case under a different law than the one everyone is talking about in relation to Plame, but the same law can also be used against them. Perhaps that is where Fitzgerald is going!!
Comment by jamie  July 17, 2005 @ 8:20 pm
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2005/ 07/ 17/ podesta-on-mtp/ trackback/
1.
“Just say ‘Yes.’, Ken.� They could be certain indictments are imminent. Say “Goodnight, Ken.�
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 2:10 pm
2.
Rove said the subject of his conversations with Cooper would be “declassified soon�. Sound like Cooper and Rove are one in the same, and probably why Cooper squealed.
Rep. Roy Blunt seems equally apathetic by saying the CIA thinks too highly of Plame’s secrecy. Unbelievable.
Rep. King, Peter (R-NY-3rd)
Sen. Hutchison, Kay Bailey (R-TX)
Sen. Cornyn, John (R-TX)
Sen. Coleman, Norm (R-MN
Rep. Blunt, Roy (R-MO-7th
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:15 pm
3.
Treasonous bastards one and all. Traitors, and they are in the delicious position of having to defend treason.
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 2:25 pm
4.
I need to correct: Rove said the TOPIC of his conversations with Copper would “soon be declassified�.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:28 pm
5.
It’s the uniform stupid. This administration won’t acknowledge the legitimacy of anyone involved in the “War On Terror� unless they are wearing the appropriate uniform, even if they are on our side.
Comment by Adjectiveman  July 17, 2005 @ 2:29 pm
6.
He also said, “I’ve already said too much.�
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 2:30 pm
7.
Bless You Mr. Podesta.
Mr. Mehlman, you should be ashamed of yourself.
Comment by Jeff  July 17, 2005 @ 2:31 pm
8.
Yes, Yes, Ken, tomorrow is going to be ugly. Probably ugly for Cooper, also. I still cannot believe Cooper actually verbalized these things to Russert. Cooper knew it was classified, yet still wrote. Is this not how you heard it?
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:34 pm
9.
“Podesta on Meet the Press: White House Facing Credibility Deficit�??
Only since day one of the current administration…
Comment by S.D.  July 17, 2005 @ 2:40 pm
10.
although I think Cooper’s argument was that he wrote the information only after Novak outed it. The real issue is that Rove knew it was classified.
Comment by Ted  July 17, 2005 @ 2:42 pm
11.
Agree with Ted.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:51 pm
12.
I read it. I will catch it again tonite, to “see and hear�.
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 3:09 pm
13.
How many of you folks lived thru Watergate? Just curious.
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 3:10 pm
14.
Correction Ted: The real issue is Plame. And Cooper, like Rove, should be held to the same standard of “When in doubt, leave it out�.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 3:16 pm
15.
My father tells me this is worse than Nixon.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 3:18 pm
16.
Ken Mehlman looks like he has some horse somewhere in his family stump.
Pass it on. Shhhh…..
Comment by The Horse Whisper Campaigner  July 17, 2005 @ 3:44 pm
17.
Karl Rove: the plot thickens.
Comment by Jon  July 17, 2005 @ 3:44 pm
18.
Someone needs to write an article or author a movie or play-wher bush and his congress and advisors are all democrats-and so is roveâ€â€now would ken mehlman be saying the same thing? let’s say this was the clinton administration…what would the republicans be doing to clinton now? make me a scenario? i hope someone goes back gets the talking heads and the morning shows and the rants of the right about clinton–and shows them to the public and then shows how the republicans are acting 100% different when it is one of them on the hot seat. I am wishing for this really hard.
Comment by karin  July 17, 2005 @ 4:17 pm
19.
Mr. Podesta was so good on the program, and Mr. Mehlman was so… not. Excellent job, and congratulations.
Comment by Peteykins  July 17, 2005 @ 4:30 pm
20.
Don’t you worry, Karin.
Bob Schieffer just about jumped out of his skin when ROY BLUNT said the CIA was taking Plame too seriously. The talking heads are listening.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 4:44 pm
21.
Let’s say we give ole ROY BLUNT a call and let him know about personal responsibility. Forget Mehlman.
Rep. King, Peter (R-NY-3rd)
Sen. Hutchison, Kay Bailey (R-TX)
Sen. Cornyn, John (R-TX)
Sen. Coleman, Norm (R-MN
Rep. Blunt, Roy (R-MO-7th
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 4:50 pm
22.
Don’t want to insult anyone’s intelligence-but you can email members of congress from Congress.org.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 5:05 pm
23.
Karl Rove walks. He didn’t break any law. End of story.
Comment by susan  July 17, 2005 @ 5:07 pm
24.
Did you notice how tired Ken looks compared to his past outings? I am sure he hasn’t had a sound night’s sleep in about a week. And you know they plastered him with pancake makeup in a vain attempt to make him look good. He is scared shitless and he knows that something big is about to go down. My question is this: If Rove et al are so innocent in all of this why do they all look so worried and scared?
Comment by sneakerchad  July 17, 2005 @ 5:15 pm
25.
Karl Rove walks. He didn’t break any law. End of story.
Comment by susan  July 17, 2005 @ 5:07 pm
Thank you, your Honor.
Comment by Say yes Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 5:29 pm
26.
Get the latest articles and documents on Plamegate at the Karl Rove Scandal Document Library.
Comment by Jon  July 17, 2005 @ 5:32 pm
27.
It is apparent that a number of the readers and other Republicans are having some difficulty in admitting culpability in Rovegate. I have found a word association game that may lend some light to the true culprits:
G. DUHbya Bush â€â€Richard M. Nixon
Dick Cheney Spiro Agnew
Karl Rove â€â€H. R. Halderman
Condo Rice John Erlichman
Al Gonzales–Your Choice John Dean
Don Rumsfeldâ€â€G. Gordon Liddy
Hilary Clinton* â€â€Gerald Ford
* My apologies to Hilary as I doubt she will pardon DUHbya)
(and to those of you that saw it the first time on one of my earlier postings.
When doing this little exercise one should remember the look, quack, waddle and other peculiar features of the proverbial duck in terms of “if it: it must be� while keeping in mind RMN’s most famous utterance “I am not a crook!�
Comment by Don Davis  July 17, 2005 @ 5:39 pm
28.
Please delete “your choice� from in front of “John Dean.�
Mea culpa.
Comment by Don Davis  July 17, 2005 @ 5:44 pm
29.
Don,
Or as Mr. Mann used the Nixon quote in his report to Mr. Tomlinson of the CPB,�I am not a cook�!
Comment by Skid  July 17, 2005 @ 5:45 pm
30.
ED, Steed, Northeast, fake, and karla,
I’d like to let you know that I am compiling a cookbook of tasty ideas for preparing all the crow you will have to eat when this is done. More details later.
Comment by Skid  July 17, 2005 @ 6:20 pm
31.
I believe chicken george bush has proven time and again that he is not a man of his word.
Comment by merlallen  July 17, 2005 @ 6:46 pm
32.
I was a young teenager during Watergate, I remember most of it. This is better.
Comment by merlallen  July 17, 2005 @ 6:49 pm
33.
God I hope he goes down and takes others with him. But never forget, and in any case, keep plugging the connection…. Rove, Cheney…..WMD,WMD …. DSM, DSM… Treason, Treason.
Impeach Bush.
Try him for treason.
hang him.
Comment by Richard Duff  July 17, 2005 @ 6:49 pm
34.
Skid,
Thanks! I admit I had to do my homework on Tomlinson/Mann. I am sure the report reported scars on DUHbya’s palms and feet as well! I suspect DUHbya’s scars will be less obvious than that when all the issues are finally put to rest in that place where the sun don’t shine. I plan on doing my share of the pushing.
Comment by Don Davis  July 17, 2005 @ 7:27 pm
35.
Little Billy Rehnquist…
Inside each of us the little boy or girl still hides. We may even dress up in private–put on a soldier suit or a silly hat and sneak a peek in the mirror. If we have been careful in our choice of profession, we are even allowed to dress up in public. Look at RuPaul, say. Look at Oliver North testifying in his cool Marine threads. Or look at William Hubbs Rehnquist in his black robe with fat gold stripes so everybody will know he’s The Biggest Justice of Them All.
But underneath that robe hides the same little scamp, Billy Rehnquist, who used to run around the neighborhood terrorizing minority voters forty years ago.
Return with me now to those innocent days of yesteryear.
It is election day in November of 1962. We are in Phoenix, Arizona, where a young former Supreme Court clerk is doing his unlevel best to see that Barry Goldwater is elected president. The young man, William H. Rehnquist, Esq., has been director of “ballot security� operations for the local Republican Party since 1958. On this day he is the sole Republican official at a polling station in south Phoenix, which is overwhelmingly African-American, Hispanic, and Democratic.
On that same day in Phoenix another young lawyer, James J. Brosnahan, is sitting in the office of the United States Attorney in Phoenix. Mr. Brosnahan, a graduate of Harvard Law School, is an assistant U.S. attorney.
Complaints of voter harassment are pouring in from precincts in south Phoenix. Republican challengers are said to be breaking the federal law which makes it a crime to “intimidate, threaten, or coerce . . . for the purpose of interfering with the right to vote.�
Mr. Brosnahan is dispatched, along with an FBI agent, to investigate these charges of voter intimidation. Mr. Broshahan’s sworn testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee in 1986 follows:
“The complaints we received alleged in various forms that the Republican challengers were aggressively challenging many voters without having a basis for that challenge . . .
“Based on my interviews with others, polling officials, and my fellow assistant U.S. attorneys, it was my opinion in 1962 that the challenging effort was designed to reduce the number of black and Hispanic voters by confrontation and intimidation . . .
“When we arrived, the situation was tense. At that precinct I saw William Rehnquist, who was serving as the only Republican challenger (emphasis added). The FBI agent and I both showed our identifications to those concerned, including Mr. Rehnquist . . . The complaints did involve Mr. Rehnquist’s conduct. Our arrival and the showing of our identifications had a quieting effect on the situation and after interviewing several witnesses, we left. Criminal prosecution was declined as a matter of prosecutorial discretion . . .
“I have read the testimony and letter supplied by Justice Designate William Rehnquist to this committee in 1971 . . . He describes his role in the early 1960s as trying to arbitrate disputes at polling places. That is not what Mr. Rehnquist was doing when I saw him on Election Day in 1962.
“At page 491 of the 1971 Record in his letter, William Rehnquist stated: ‘In none of those years did I personally engage in challenging the qualifications of any voters.’ This does not comport with my recollection of the events I witnessed in 1962 when Mr. Rehnquist did serve as a challenger.�
Let’s be fair, though. After all, Little Billy Rehnquist has come a long, long way from those early days in Arizona. It is 2,300 miles from south Phoenix to Washington.
http://www.badattitudes.com/Rehnquist.html
Comment by Say Yes Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 7:57 pm
36.
Just remember. In 2002 a DEA agent was prosecuted and convicted for leaking the name of a person in a laundering investigation. He was mad because a UK person was not being investigated so he leaked it to the London Times. That UK person was a key player in the Britan Conservative Party and in our own Republican Party. This was a pivotal case for the Bush administration and dealing with leakers. The DEA agent copped a plea and only did 1 year in prison, but was facing 580 years. This was a case under a different law than the one everyone is talking about in relation to Plame, but the same law can also be used against them. Perhaps that is where Fitzgerald is going!!
Comment by jamie  July 17, 2005 @ 8:20 pm
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2005/ 07/ 17/ podesta-on-mtp/ trackback/
1.
“Just say ‘Yes.’, Ken.� They could be certain indictments are imminent. Say “Goodnight, Ken.�
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 2:10 pm
2.
Rove said the subject of his conversations with Cooper would be “declassified soon�. Sound like Cooper and Rove are one in the same, and probably why Cooper squealed.
Rep. Roy Blunt seems equally apathetic by saying the CIA thinks too highly of Plame’s secrecy. Unbelievable.
Rep. King, Peter (R-NY-3rd)
Sen. Hutchison, Kay Bailey (R-TX)
Sen. Cornyn, John (R-TX)
Sen. Coleman, Norm (R-MN
Rep. Blunt, Roy (R-MO-7th
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:15 pm
3.
Treasonous bastards one and all. Traitors, and they are in the delicious position of having to defend treason.
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 2:25 pm
4.
I need to correct: Rove said the TOPIC of his conversations with Copper would “soon be declassified�.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:28 pm
5.
It’s the uniform stupid. This administration won’t acknowledge the legitimacy of anyone involved in the “War On Terror� unless they are wearing the appropriate uniform, even if they are on our side.
Comment by Adjectiveman  July 17, 2005 @ 2:29 pm
6.
He also said, “I’ve already said too much.�
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 2:30 pm
7.
Bless You Mr. Podesta.
Mr. Mehlman, you should be ashamed of yourself.
Comment by Jeff  July 17, 2005 @ 2:31 pm
8.
Yes, Yes, Ken, tomorrow is going to be ugly. Probably ugly for Cooper, also. I still cannot believe Cooper actually verbalized these things to Russert. Cooper knew it was classified, yet still wrote. Is this not how you heard it?
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:34 pm
9.
“Podesta on Meet the Press: White House Facing Credibility Deficit�??
Only since day one of the current administration…
Comment by S.D.  July 17, 2005 @ 2:40 pm
10.
although I think Cooper’s argument was that he wrote the information only after Novak outed it. The real issue is that Rove knew it was classified.
Comment by Ted  July 17, 2005 @ 2:42 pm
11.
Agree with Ted.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:51 pm
12.
I read it. I will catch it again tonite, to “see and hear�.
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 3:09 pm
13.
How many of you folks lived thru Watergate? Just curious.
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 3:10 pm
14.
Correction Ted: The real issue is Plame. And Cooper, like Rove, should be held to the same standard of “When in doubt, leave it out�.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 3:16 pm
15.
My father tells me this is worse than Nixon.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 3:18 pm
16.
Ken Mehlman looks like he has some horse somewhere in his family stump.
Pass it on. Shhhh…..
Comment by The Horse Whisper Campaigner  July 17, 2005 @ 3:44 pm
17.
Karl Rove: the plot thickens.
Comment by Jon  July 17, 2005 @ 3:44 pm
18.
Someone needs to write an article or author a movie or play-wher bush and his congress and advisors are all democrats-and so is roveâ€â€now would ken mehlman be saying the same thing? let’s say this was the clinton administration…what would the republicans be doing to clinton now? make me a scenario? i hope someone goes back gets the talking heads and the morning shows and the rants of the right about clinton–and shows them to the public and then shows how the republicans are acting 100% different when it is one of them on the hot seat. I am wishing for this really hard.
Comment by karin  July 17, 2005 @ 4:17 pm
19.
Mr. Podesta was so good on the program, and Mr. Mehlman was so… not. Excellent job, and congratulations.
Comment by Peteykins  July 17, 2005 @ 4:30 pm
20.
Don’t you worry, Karin.
Bob Schieffer just about jumped out of his skin when ROY BLUNT said the CIA was taking Plame too seriously. The talking heads are listening.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 4:44 pm
21.
Let’s say we give ole ROY BLUNT a call and let him know about personal responsibility. Forget Mehlman.
Rep. King, Peter (R-NY-3rd)
Sen. Hutchison, Kay Bailey (R-TX)
Sen. Cornyn, John (R-TX)
Sen. Coleman, Norm (R-MN
Rep. Blunt, Roy (R-MO-7th
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 4:50 pm
22.
Don’t want to insult anyone’s intelligence-but you can email members of congress from Congress.org.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 5:05 pm
23.
Karl Rove walks. He didn’t break any law. End of story.
Comment by susan  July 17, 2005 @ 5:07 pm
24.
Did you notice how tired Ken looks compared to his past outings? I am sure he hasn’t had a sound night’s sleep in about a week. And you know they plastered him with pancake makeup in a vain attempt to make him look good. He is scared shitless and he knows that something big is about to go down. My question is this: If Rove et al are so innocent in all of this why do they all look so worried and scared?
Comment by sneakerchad  July 17, 2005 @ 5:15 pm
25.
Karl Rove walks. He didn’t break any law. End of story.
Comment by susan  July 17, 2005 @ 5:07 pm
Thank you, your Honor.
Comment by Say yes Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 5:29 pm
26.
Get the latest articles and documents on Plamegate at the Karl Rove Scandal Document Library.
Comment by Jon  July 17, 2005 @ 5:32 pm
27.
It is apparent that a number of the readers and other Republicans are having some difficulty in admitting culpability in Rovegate. I have found a word association game that may lend some light to the true culprits:
G. DUHbya Bush â€â€Richard M. Nixon
Dick Cheney Spiro Agnew
Karl Rove â€â€H. R. Halderman
Condo Rice John Erlichman
Al Gonzales–Your Choice John Dean
Don Rumsfeldâ€â€G. Gordon Liddy
Hilary Clinton* â€â€Gerald Ford
* My apologies to Hilary as I doubt she will pardon DUHbya)
(and to those of you that saw it the first time on one of my earlier postings.
When doing this little exercise one should remember the look, quack, waddle and other peculiar features of the proverbial duck in terms of “if it: it must be� while keeping in mind RMN’s most famous utterance “I am not a crook!�
Comment by Don Davis  July 17, 2005 @ 5:39 pm
28.
Please delete “your choice� from in front of “John Dean.�
Mea culpa.
Comment by Don Davis  July 17, 2005 @ 5:44 pm
29.
Don,
Or as Mr. Mann used the Nixon quote in his report to Mr. Tomlinson of the CPB,�I am not a cook�!
Comment by Skid  July 17, 2005 @ 5:45 pm
30.
ED, Steed, Northeast, fake, and karla,
I’d like to let you know that I am compiling a cookbook of tasty ideas for preparing all the crow you will have to eat when this is done. More details later.
Comment by Skid  July 17, 2005 @ 6:20 pm
31.
I believe chicken george bush has proven time and again that he is not a man of his word.
Comment by merlallen  July 17, 2005 @ 6:46 pm
32.
I was a young teenager during Watergate, I remember most of it. This is better.
Comment by merlallen  July 17, 2005 @ 6:49 pm
33.
God I hope he goes down and takes others with him. But never forget, and in any case, keep plugging the connection…. Rove, Cheney…..WMD,WMD …. DSM, DSM… Treason, Treason.
Impeach Bush.
Try him for treason.
hang him.
Comment by Richard Duff  July 17, 2005 @ 6:49 pm
34.
Skid,
Thanks! I admit I had to do my homework on Tomlinson/Mann. I am sure the report reported scars on DUHbya’s palms and feet as well! I suspect DUHbya’s scars will be less obvious than that when all the issues are finally put to rest in that place where the sun don’t shine. I plan on doing my share of the pushing.
Comment by Don Davis  July 17, 2005 @ 7:27 pm
35.
Little Billy Rehnquist…
Inside each of us the little boy or girl still hides. We may even dress up in private–put on a soldier suit or a silly hat and sneak a peek in the mirror. If we have been careful in our choice of profession, we are even allowed to dress up in public. Look at RuPaul, say. Look at Oliver North testifying in his cool Marine threads. Or look at William Hubbs Rehnquist in his black robe with fat gold stripes so everybody will know he’s The Biggest Justice of Them All.
But underneath that robe hides the same little scamp, Billy Rehnquist, who used to run around the neighborhood terrorizing minority voters forty years ago.
Return with me now to those innocent days of yesteryear.
It is election day in November of 1962. We are in Phoenix, Arizona, where a young former Supreme Court clerk is doing his unlevel best to see that Barry Goldwater is elected president. The young man, William H. Rehnquist, Esq., has been director of “ballot security� operations for the local Republican Party since 1958. On this day he is the sole Republican official at a polling station in south Phoenix, which is overwhelmingly African-American, Hispanic, and Democratic.
On that same day in Phoenix another young lawyer, James J. Brosnahan, is sitting in the office of the United States Attorney in Phoenix. Mr. Brosnahan, a graduate of Harvard Law School, is an assistant U.S. attorney.
Complaints of voter harassment are pouring in from precincts in south Phoenix. Republican challengers are said to be breaking the federal law which makes it a crime to “intimidate, threaten, or coerce . . . for the purpose of interfering with the right to vote.�
Mr. Brosnahan is dispatched, along with an FBI agent, to investigate these charges of voter intimidation. Mr. Broshahan’s sworn testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee in 1986 follows:
“The complaints we received alleged in various forms that the Republican challengers were aggressively challenging many voters without having a basis for that challenge . . .
“Based on my interviews with others, polling officials, and my fellow assistant U.S. attorneys, it was my opinion in 1962 that the challenging effort was designed to reduce the number of black and Hispanic voters by confrontation and intimidation . . .
“When we arrived, the situation was tense. At that precinct I saw William Rehnquist, who was serving as the only Republican challenger (emphasis added). The FBI agent and I both showed our identifications to those concerned, including Mr. Rehnquist . . . The complaints did involve Mr. Rehnquist’s conduct. Our arrival and the showing of our identifications had a quieting effect on the situation and after interviewing several witnesses, we left. Criminal prosecution was declined as a matter of prosecutorial discretion . . .
“I have read the testimony and letter supplied by Justice Designate William Rehnquist to this committee in 1971 . . . He describes his role in the early 1960s as trying to arbitrate disputes at polling places. That is not what Mr. Rehnquist was doing when I saw him on Election Day in 1962.
“At page 491 of the 1971 Record in his letter, William Rehnquist stated: ‘In none of those years did I personally engage in challenging the qualifications of any voters.’ This does not comport with my recollection of the events I witnessed in 1962 when Mr. Rehnquist did serve as a challenger.�
Let’s be fair, though. After all, Little Billy Rehnquist has come a long, long way from those early days in Arizona. It is 2,300 miles from south Phoenix to Washington.
http://www.badattitudes.com/Rehnquist.html
Comment by Say Yes Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 7:57 pm
36.
Just remember. In 2002 a DEA agent was prosecuted and convicted for leaking the name of a person in a laundering investigation. He was mad because a UK person was not being investigated so he leaked it to the London Times. That UK person was a key player in the Britan Conservative Party and in our own Republican Party. This was a pivotal case for the Bush administration and dealing with leakers. The DEA agent copped a plea and only did 1 year in prison, but was facing 580 years. This was a case under a different law than the one everyone is talking about in relation to Plame, but the same law can also be used against them. Perhaps that is where Fitzgerald is going!!
Comment by jamie  July 17, 2005 @ 8:20 pm
July 17th, 2005 at 9:15 pmpm
“Pharisaical� is a great Sunday word!
July 17th, 2005 at 9:23 pmWhat is it about grown men orbiting Bush’s tiny pinhead who have names like “Scooter?”
How embarrassing.
. . .
July 17th, 2005 at 9:57 pmThread vandals here, too? They are in meltdown mode everyday these days.
July 18th, 2005 at 9:22 amPatrick Fitzgerald will add conspiracy to the indictment.
It’s fun watching a Republican take down a Republican administration.
I suppose the Pugs that hang out here don’t like that.
It was fun watching Fitzgerald take down George Ryan but this will be his legacy.
July 18th, 2005 at 11:01 am[...] It sounds plausible, especially considering how much we already know about the involvements of members of WHIG: Chief of Staff to Vice President Cheney Scooter Libby: Visited the CIA to press them for information about uranium sales to Iraq. Helped prepare CIA director George Tenet’s response to criticism about faulty intelligence included in the President’s State of the Union address. Spoke with Time reporter Matt Cooper and New York Times reporter Judith Miller about Valerie Wilson’s role at the CIA. Testified before the grand jury. [Link] [...]
October 12th, 2005 at 10:37 am[...] So even if the gang of deceit is brought to temporary justice, even if I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, Stephen Hadley, John Hannah, David Wurmser, Ari Fleischer are indicted for criminal conduct, very little will change in the field of domestic and foreign policy. As their mug shots are taken, like Tom Delay’s, they will have the smiles of contemptuous men who in the end believe they are greater than the “rule of law.” As they are fingerprinted, they are contemplating on how to subvert the country in the future, to get the flow of blood money back to their favorite coffers, and obtain their next fix in the aphrodisiac of corruptive power. After all, for the War Party it is the patriotic thing to do. [...]
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