Does Bush Agree With Gale Norton on Women’s Rights?
Does Bush Agree With Gale Norton on Women’s Rights?
The media seems to have seized on President Bush’s pledge yesterday in his radio address to pick a Supreme Court nominee “who represents the mainstream of American law and American values.” Recall, “mainstream” is the word Bush has used to describe all his judicial nominees, including Miguel Estrada, John Roberts, and Priscilla Owen.
The question isn’t whether Bush will pick someone who’s “mainstream”; the issue rather is what does “mainstream” mean?
In an interview with the New York Times, Secretary of Interior Gale Norton offered her perspective on where the mainstream is with regards to the issue of choice:
Norton: I think that government ought to be limited.
Question: Does that extend to the abortion debate? Would you like to see a woman’s right to have an abortion remain legal?
Norton: Yes. Generally I think that these are issues where a woman ought to make a serious decision with her family, and her minister, and her own doctor. I think it is a difficult personal question and not an easy issue for government to address.
Norton echoes the views of First Lady Laura Bush. Does President Bush agree?
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Let’s hope he does.
July 17th, 2005 at 10:36 amyes it would be terrible if women and teenage girls could not kill their unborn children on demand, we all know the founding fathers wanted a holocaust on the unborn, that was clearly their intent. Sound of vacuum motor revving up…
July 17th, 2005 at 10:47 amFake,
July 17th, 2005 at 10:55 amStop masturbating here. You’re killing future babies!
Death is not the motivation of privacy advocates.
July 17th, 2005 at 10:56 amI am so sick and tired of this “killing the unborn” garbage. Give me a break, most of the pro-lifers are selective in their sanctimonious rhetoric. What about the children already alive? How about getting help for them? How about being against the death penalty if you’re pro-life?
I did not think they would bite….
Look at the catholic church with their pro life message. They don’t beleive in abortions and they don’t beleive in the death penalty.
I guess it comes down to the Lakofian “strict-father morailty” which is a cancer within the body politic.
I beleive that abortions should be available, but it should be the last choice. I beleive in the safe, legal and rare thinking. Just because someone is pro-choice does not mean they are pro-abortion. Having a abortion is not as easy as the radical right makes it sound. Any women who has one, goes through a tough descision. It’s not just check into the clinic or hospital then check out and go out for martini’s. A lot of pain follows the choice of having an abortion.
July 17th, 2005 at 11:08 amVery good, Jason.
July 17th, 2005 at 11:14 amAnti abortion-Pro choice is a real position.
The latest phrasiology is “Pollution Kills Babies”, run with it.
I am suprised that noone has decried the use of the term holocaust by the anti-abortion loonies. Seems like every time a democrat uses terms like holocaust, nazi, etc there immediatly attacked by the right.
July 17th, 2005 at 11:41 amPollution Kills Babies
July 17th, 2005 at 11:46 amAlthough I agree with Norton on this issue, I don’t see why her view is especially relevant. Why should Bush agree with his Secretary of the Interior on this issue? Why should he agree with his wife? Why bring the pro-choice views of Gale Norton and Laura Bush into a discussion of the coming Supreme Court nomination?
July 17th, 2005 at 12:12 pmThe key phrase here is “Women’s Rights”. FAKE, since you aren’t responsible for the birth of the child, so I don’t think your comments are important or relevant.
Like everything else this administration has touched, women’s rights have been set back to the middle ages. Since the males in charge are not interested in helping the cause, I think we should atleast have the courtesy to allow women to set their policies. They can understand and represent their issues better than any male could pretend to.
July 17th, 2005 at 12:18 pmNorton and Mrs. Bush are used to help attempt define “mainstream”, not to test the influence they have on W.
July 17th, 2005 at 12:18 pmyes it would be terrible if women and teenage girls could not kill their unborn children on demand, we all know the founding fathers wanted a holocaust on the unborn, that was clearly their intent. Sound of vacuum motor revving up…
Comment by fake but accurate  July 17, 2005 @ 10:47 am
If Fake were a pacifist, instead of a sociopath who revels in Rachel Corrie’s being flattened like a pancake… You get my drift. Ignore him.
July 17th, 2005 at 12:38 pmWhether or not abortion should be legal is not the issue. It is not up to the Supreme Court to decide such things. It is up to legislatures to decide such things in a democracy.
Roe should be overturned because it is a bad decision, unsupported by the Constitution. The abortion issue is a separate question.
July 17th, 2005 at 1:09 pm“Like everything else this administration has touched, women’s rights have been set back to the middle ages.”
What a loony comment. It is in no sense true.
July 17th, 2005 at 1:11 pmEditors,
July 17th, 2005 at 1:13 pmThen why haven’t legislators taken up the issue?
You still have not answered the question of the evidence pertaining to Rove/Plame.
Editors,
I stand corrected. I found your reply. However, your blanket remarks are as irresponsible as others on theses threads. You imply you have access to all evidence, whether intentional or not.
July 17th, 2005 at 1:22 pmWhether or not abortion should be legal is not the issue. It is not up to the Supreme Court to decide such things. It is up to legislatures to decide such things in a democracy.
Roe should be overturned because it is a bad decision, unsupported by the Constitution. The abortion issue is a separate question.
Wrong. I happen to like the idea of putting a magistrate between me and the law. It’s constitutional.
July 17th, 2005 at 2:12 pmRoe should be overturned because it is a bad decision, unsupported by the Constitution. The abortion issue is a separate question.
No one in this country is going back to your strict constructionist views about the Constitution. Times have changed. Jefferson’s notions of privacy were far different than our own. He and Mrs. Jefferson bumped uglies with a slave sleeping on the floor of their room, you incredible moron. And even Jefferson was more enlightened than you. A rock is more enlightened than you are.
“I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors.”
Thomas Jefferson
July 17th, 2005 at 2:20 pmRe: #15 –
“Then why haven’t legislators taken up the issue?”
Because the Supreme Court wrongly decided Roe and essentially prohibited the legislatures from doing anything.
Re: #16 –
Why you think you need to bring Karl Rove into this thread is anyone’s guess. A strange obsession. I have not implied anywhere that I have all the evidence. I have commented on the evidence that is available.
Re: #17 –
“I happen to like the idea of putting a magistrate between me and the law. It’s constitutional.”
That’s not the way the US government is set up, Ken. The courts do not exist to decide your or their personal policy objectives. They exist to apply the lasws as written, nothing more.
Re: #18 –
Why are you lefties incapable of commenting without engaging in all the juvenile name-calling?
As to the old “times change, so we should ignore the written words of the Constitution” argument, the Constitution contains within itself a process for changing it – amendment, not judicial fiat, is the American system as it was designed.
July 17th, 2005 at 3:21 pmThe Roe decision was correct. The time parameters is the questionable aspect of Roe.
Legislators can impeach. Legislators are not the powerless victoms you portray them to be.
The more I hear from you the more I realize you are pretty good at presenting information as though it is comprehensive and conclusive.
July 17th, 2005 at 3:33 pmvictom?
July 17th, 2005 at 3:35 pmNo, the Rove decision was clearly incorrect. There’s nothing about abortion in teh Constitution.
Even former ACLU attorney, now leftist activist Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said of Roe v. Wade, “Women were lobbying around that issue. The Supreme Court stopped all that by deeming every law — even the most liberal — as unconstitutional. That seemed to me not the way courts generally work.”
July 17th, 2005 at 3:43 pmI agree the courts do things not mandated by their position.
July 17th, 2005 at 3:50 pmAbortion is not the first or last thing not specifically in the constitution that the courts will rule on.
Editors,
July 17th, 2005 at 4:05 pmEventually you guys are going to have to get on board and take advantage of people like me. I am 100% anti-abortion. I know too many women who have had them and it is terrible.
You guys could prevent abortion FASTER and MORE PERMANENTLY by education and prevention. You guys are locked into a principaled debate which I respect, but it is slow if not futile.
#19. You cannot outlaw abortion. It’s tantamount to outlawing a medical procedure that might save a woman’s life. It’s not a matter for the legislature. If it is, so is corporate personhood, but the court, not the legislature, decided that one. If you want to extend the rights of personhood to an unborn fetus, and other imaginary persons, fine, take it away from corporations and give it to fetuses. If you don’t like abortions, don’t have one. I am not necessarily pro-abortion. I am pro-choice. Being male, it’s not really my concern. If men could get pregnant, there would be abortion clinics next to very bar in the country. Furthermore, I believe in calling a spade a spade, and you are a moron. If you have a problem with that, change.
July 17th, 2005 at 4:49 pmBlack babies account for 50% of all abortions in America, even though they make up 12% of the population. For that reason alone, we should all support abortion on demand. What’s the alternative? Build more prisons? Coincidently (?) blacks also make up 50% of the prison population. Hmmmmm.
July 17th, 2005 at 5:13 pmBlack babies account for 50% of all abortions in America, even though they make up 12% of the population. For that reason alone, we should all support abortion on demand. What’s the alternative? Build more prisons? Coincidently (?) blacks also make up 50% of the prison population. Hmmmmm.
Comment by susan  July 17, 2005 @
Yes, but you forgot to add that all of those welfare queens are popping babies out just to collect welfare. You know how “they” are. They are not like “us”. We are white, God-fearing christians. Have I left anything out? Oh yeah, Crack!
July 17th, 2005 at 5:33 pmFor some more accurate abortion statistics, try here:
http://womensissues.about.com/cs/abortionstats/a/aaabortionstats.htm
Buckshot’s crew is stopping by for a visit.
July 17th, 2005 at 5:36 pmRace – 63% of abortion patients are white.
Black babies account for 50% of all abortions in America, even though they make up 12% of the population.
Idiots and morons. More abortions, please.
July 17th, 2005 at 5:38 pmFor balance:
The National Abortion Federation (NAF) has been keeping track of violence against abortion providers. Their findings include:
Abortion Provider Violence Statistics:
7 Murders
17 Attempted Murders
41 Bombings
168 Arsons
82 Attempted Bombings/Arsons
373 Invasions
1048 Incidences of Vandalism
591 Incidences of Trespassing
125 Incidences of Assault and Battery
357 Death Threats
3 Kidnappings
76 Incidences of Burglary
Abortion Provider Disruption Statistics:
9790 Incidences of Hate Mail/Calls
578 Bomb Threats
68886 Incidences of Picketing
Abortion Provider Clinic Blockades:
686 Blockades
33830 Arrests
http://womensissues.about.com/cs/abortionstats/a/aaaborviolstats.htm
July 17th, 2005 at 5:41 pmBrian, re: #24 –
Whee did I argue against legalized abortion? Can you cite an example? I’m arguing that Roe was not properly decided. As I said, whether abortion should be legal or illegal and whether Roe was properly decided are two separate issues.
July 17th, 2005 at 6:28 pmKen, re: #25 –
“You cannot outlaw abortion. It’s tantamount to outlawing a medical procedure that might save a woman’s life.”
A very small fraction of abortions are done to save the mother’s life,(much less than 10%), and laws restricting abortion have typically included an exception to save the mother’s life, so you’re arguing a strawman.
The issue is not whether abortion should be legal or illegal, the issue is how such questions are decided in a democratic society. It is not the job of judges to decide public policy, it is the job of judges to apply the written laws. The constitution is silent on abortion, thus it is a question for legislative bodies.
Your puerile name-calling is entirely a reflection on you.
July 17th, 2005 at 6:33 pmThe constitution is silent on abortion, thus it is a question for legislative bodies.
The Constitution is silent on privacy so it is a matter for legislative bodies. As I said, I call them as I see them. You are an idiot. The court interprets the law and issues orders. Law enforcement applies it. Judges don’t put people in jail, bailiffs and jailers do. Your opinions and legal theories would be more at home in a theocracy, not a democracy. And you aren’t interested in a democracy, you are a minority and you know it.
July 17th, 2005 at 7:12 pmLittle Billy Rehnquist…
Inside each of us the little boy or girl still hides. We may even dress up in private–put on a soldier suit or a silly hat and sneak a peek in the mirror. If we have been careful in our choice of profession, we are even allowed to dress up in public. Look at RuPaul, say. Look at Oliver North testifying in his cool Marine threads. Or look at William Hubbs Rehnquist in his black robe with fat gold stripes so everybody will know he’s The Biggest Justice of Them All.
But underneath that robe hides the same little scamp, Billy Rehnquist, who used to run around the neighborhood terrorizing minority voters forty years ago.
Return with me now to those innocent days of yesteryear.
It is election day in November of 1962. We are in Phoenix, Arizona, where a young former Supreme Court clerk is doing his unlevel best to see that Barry Goldwater is elected president. The young man, William H. Rehnquist, Esq., has been director of “ballot security� operations for the local Republican Party since 1958. On this day he is the sole Republican official at a polling station in south Phoenix, which is overwhelmingly African-American, Hispanic, and Democratic.
On that same day in Phoenix another young lawyer, James J. Brosnahan, is sitting in the office of the United States Attorney in Phoenix. Mr. Brosnahan, a graduate of Harvard Law School, is an assistant U.S. attorney.
Complaints of voter harassment are pouring in from precincts in south Phoenix. Republican challengers are said to be breaking the federal law which makes it a crime to “intimidate, threaten, or coerce . . . for the purpose of interfering with the right to vote.�
Mr. Brosnahan is dispatched, along with an FBI agent, to investigate these charges of voter intimidation. Mr. Broshahan’s sworn testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee in 1986 follows:
“The complaints we received alleged in various forms that the Republican challengers were aggressively challenging many voters without having a basis for that challenge . . .
“Based on my interviews with others, polling officials, and my fellow assistant U.S. attorneys, it was my opinion in 1962 that the challenging effort was designed to reduce the number of black and Hispanic voters by confrontation and intimidation . . .
“When we arrived, the situation was tense. At that precinct I saw William Rehnquist, who was serving as the only Republican challenger (emphasis added). The FBI agent and I both showed our identifications to those concerned, including Mr. Rehnquist . . . The complaints did involve Mr. Rehnquist’s conduct. Our arrival and the showing of our identifications had a quieting effect on the situation and after interviewing several witnesses, we left. Criminal prosecution was declined as a matter of prosecutorial discretion . . .
“I have read the testimony and letter supplied by Justice Designate William Rehnquist to this committee in 1971 . . . He describes his role in the early 1960s as trying to arbitrate disputes at polling places. That is not what Mr. Rehnquist was doing when I saw him on Election Day in 1962.
“At page 491 of the 1971 Record in his letter, William Rehnquist stated: ‘In none of those years did I personally engage in challenging the qualifications of any voters.’ This does not comport with my recollection of the events I witnessed in 1962 when Mr. Rehnquist did serve as a challenger.�
Let’s be fair, though. After all, Little Billy Rehnquist has come a long, long way from those early days in Arizona. It is 2,300 miles from south Phoenix to Washington.
http://www.badattitudes.com/Rehnquist.html
July 17th, 2005 at 7:58 pmJust say yes, ED.
July 17th, 2005 at 8:32 pmKen, re: #33 –
“The Constitution is silent on privacy so it is a matter for legislative bodies. ”
That’s what I said.
“Your opinions and legal theories would be more at home in a theocracy, not a democracy.”
To suggest that saying the courts follow the written laws of this country is akin to theocracy is hysterical drivel, and nothing more. What an asinine comment. How is it like theocracy for courts to follow the written laws?
Are there any liberals left who are capable of making an argument without shouting “theocracy!”, or “Nazi!”, or “racist!” or whatever? Pathetic.
July 17th, 2005 at 9:02 pmnquist has come a long, long way from those early days in Arizona. It is 2,300 miles from south Phoenix to Washington.
http://www.badattitudes.com/Rehnquist.html
Comment by Say Yes Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 7:57 pm
36.
Just remember. In 2002 a DEA agent was prosecuted and convicted for leaking the name of a person in a laundering investigation. He was mad because a UK person was not being investigated so he leaked it to the London Times. That UK person was a key player in the Britan Conservative Party and in our own Republican Party. This was a pivotal case for the Bush administration and dealing with leakers. The DEA agent copped a plea and only did 1 year in prison, but was facing 580 years. This was a case under a different law than the one everyone is talking about in relation to Plame, but the same law can also be used against them. Perhaps that is where Fitzgerald is going!!
Comment by jamie  July 17, 2005 @ 8:20 pm
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2005/ 07/ 17/ podesta-on-mtp/ trackback/
1.
“Just say ‘Yes.’, Ken.� They could be certain indictments are imminent. Say “Goodnight, Ken.�
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 2:10 pm
2.
Rove said the subject of his conversations with Cooper would be “declassified soon�. Sound like Cooper and Rove are one in the same, and probably why Cooper squealed.
Rep. Roy Blunt seems equally apathetic by saying the CIA thinks too highly of Plame’s secrecy. Unbelievable.
Rep. King, Peter (R-NY-3rd)
Sen. Hutchison, Kay Bailey (R-TX)
Sen. Cornyn, John (R-TX)
Sen. Coleman, Norm (R-MN
Rep. Blunt, Roy (R-MO-7th
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:15 pm
3.
Treasonous bastards one and all. Traitors, and they are in the delicious position of having to defend treason.
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 2:25 pm
4.
I need to correct: Rove said the TOPIC of his conversations with Copper would “soon be declassified�.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:28 pm
5.
It’s the uniform stupid. This administration won’t acknowledge the legitimacy of anyone involved in the “War On Terror� unless they are wearing the appropriate uniform, even if they are on our side.
Comment by Adjectiveman  July 17, 2005 @ 2:29 pm
6.
He also said, “I’ve already said too much.�
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 2:30 pm
7.
Bless You Mr. Podesta.
Mr. Mehlman, you should be ashamed of yourself.
Comment by Jeff  July 17, 2005 @ 2:31 pm
8.
Yes, Yes, Ken, tomorrow is going to be ugly. Probably ugly for Cooper, also. I still cannot believe Cooper actually verbalized these things to Russert. Cooper knew it was classified, yet still wrote. Is this not how you heard it?
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:34 pm
9.
“Podesta on Meet the Press: White House Facing Credibility Deficit�??
Only since day one of the current administration…
Comment by S.D.  July 17, 2005 @ 2:40 pm
10.
although I think Cooper’s argument was that he wrote the information only after Novak outed it. The real issue is that Rove knew it was classified.
Comment by Ted  July 17, 2005 @ 2:42 pm
11.
Agree with Ted.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:51 pm
12.
I read it. I will catch it again tonite, to “see and hear�.
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 3:09 pm
13.
How many of you folks lived thru Watergate? Just curious.
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 3:10 pm
14.
Correction Ted: The real issue is Plame. And Cooper, like Rove, should be held to the same standard of “When in doubt, leave it out�.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 3:16 pm
15.
My father tells me this is worse than Nixon.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 3:18 pm
16.
Ken Mehlman looks like he has some horse somewhere in his family stump.
Pass it on. Shhhh…..
Comment by The Horse Whisper Campaigner  July 17, 2005 @ 3:44 pm
17.
Karl Rove: the plot thickens.
Comment by Jon  July 17, 2005 @ 3:44 pm
18.
Someone needs to write an article or author a movie or play-wher bush and his congress and advisors are all democrats-and so is roveâ€â€now would ken mehlman be saying the same thing? let’s say this was the clinton administration…what would the republicans be doing to clinton now? make me a scenario? i hope someone goes back gets the talking heads and the morning shows and the rants of the right about clinton–and shows them to the public and then shows how the republicans are acting 100% different when it is one of them on the hot seat. I am wishing for this really hard.
Comment by karin  July 17, 2005 @ 4:17 pm
19.
Mr. Podesta was so good on the program, and Mr. Mehlman was so… not. Excellent job, and congratulations.
Comment by Peteykins  July 17, 2005 @ 4:30 pm
20.
Don’t you worry, Karin.
Bob Schieffer just about jumped out of his skin when ROY BLUNT said the CIA was taking Plame too seriously. The talking heads are listening.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 4:44 pm
21.
Let’s say we give ole ROY BLUNT a call and let him know about personal responsibility. Forget Mehlman.
Rep. King, Peter (R-NY-3rd)
Sen. Hutchison, Kay Bailey (R-TX)
Sen. Cornyn, John (R-TX)
Sen. Coleman, Norm (R-MN
Rep. Blunt, Roy (R-MO-7th
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 4:50 pm
22.
Don’t want to insult anyone’s intelligence-but you can email members of congress from Congress.org.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 5:05 pm
23.
Karl Rove walks. He didn’t break any law. End of story.
Comment by susan  July 17, 2005 @ 5:07 pm
24.
Did you notice how tired Ken looks compared to his past outings? I am sure he hasn’t had a sound night’s sleep in about a week. And you know they plastered him with pancake makeup in a vain attempt to make him look good. He is scared shitless and he knows that something big is about to go down. My question is this: If Rove et al are so innocent in all of this why do they all look so worried and scared?
Comment by sneakerchad  July 17, 2005 @ 5:15 pm
25.
Karl Rove walks. He didn’t break any law. End of story.
Comment by susan  July 17, 2005 @ 5:07 pm
Thank you, your Honor.
Comment by Say yes Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 5:29 pm
26.
Get the latest articles and documents on Plamegate at the Karl Rove Scandal Document Library.
Comment by Jon  July 17, 2005 @ 5:32 pm
27.
It is apparent that a number of the readers and other Republicans are having some difficulty in admitting culpability in Rovegate. I have found a word association game that may lend some light to the true culprits:
G. DUHbya Bush â€â€Richard M. Nixon
Dick Cheney Spiro Agnew
Karl Rove â€â€H. R. Halderman
Condo Rice John Erlichman
Al Gonzales–Your Choice John Dean
Don Rumsfeldâ€â€G. Gordon Liddy
Hilary Clinton* â€â€Gerald Ford
* My apologies to Hilary as I doubt she will pardon DUHbya)
(and to those of you that saw it the first time on one of my earlier postings.
When doing this little exercise one should remember the look, quack, waddle and other peculiar features of the proverbial duck in terms of “if it: it must be� while keeping in mind RMN’s most famous utterance “I am not a crook!�
Comment by Don Davis  July 17, 2005 @ 5:39 pm
28.
Please delete “your choice� from in front of “John Dean.�
Mea culpa.
Comment by Don Davis  July 17, 2005 @ 5:44 pm
29.
Don,
Or as Mr. Mann used the Nixon quote in his report to Mr. Tomlinson of the CPB,�I am not a cook�!
Comment by Skid  July 17, 2005 @ 5:45 pm
30.
ED, Steed, Northeast, fake, and karla,
I’d like to let you know that I am compiling a cookbook of tasty ideas for preparing all the crow you will have to eat when this is done. More details later.
Comment by Skid  July 17, 2005 @ 6:20 pm
31.
I believe chicken george bush has proven time and again that he is not a man of his word.
Comment by merlallen  July 17, 2005 @ 6:46 pm
32.
I was a young teenager during Watergate, I remember most of it. This is better.
Comment by merlallen  July 17, 2005 @ 6:49 pm
33.
God I hope he goes down and takes others with him. But never forget, and in any case, keep plugging the connection…. Rove, Cheney…..WMD,WMD …. DSM, DSM… Treason, Treason.
Impeach Bush.
Try him for treason.
hang him.
Comment by Richard Duff  July 17, 2005 @ 6:49 pm
34.
Skid,
Thanks! I admit I had to do my homework on Tomlinson/Mann. I am sure the report reported scars on DUHbya’s palms and feet as well! I suspect DUHbya’s scars will be less obvious than that when all the issues are finally put to rest in that place where the sun don’t shine. I plan on doing my share of the pushing.
Comment by Don Davis  July 17, 2005 @ 7:27 pm
35.
Little Billy Rehnquist…
Inside each of us the little boy or girl still hides. We may even dress up in private–put on a soldier suit or a silly hat and sneak a peek in the mirror. If we have been careful in our choice of profession, we are even allowed to dress up in public. Look at RuPaul, say. Look at Oliver North testifying in his cool Marine threads. Or look at William Hubbs Rehnquist in his black robe with fat gold stripes so everybody will know he’s The Biggest Justice of Them All.
But underneath that robe hides the same little scamp, Billy Rehnquist, who used to run around the neighborhood terrorizing minority voters forty years ago.
Return with me now to those innocent days of yesteryear.
It is election day in November of 1962. We are in Phoenix, Arizona, where a young former Supreme Court clerk is doing his unlevel best to see that Barry Goldwater is elected president. The young man, William H. Rehnquist, Esq., has been director of “ballot security� operations for the local Republican Party since 1958. On this day he is the sole Republican official at a polling station in south Phoenix, which is overwhelmingly African-American, Hispanic, and Democratic.
On that same day in Phoenix another young lawyer, James J. Brosnahan, is sitting in the office of the United States Attorney in Phoenix. Mr. Brosnahan, a graduate of Harvard Law School, is an assistant U.S. attorney.
Complaints of voter harassment are pouring in from precincts in south Phoenix. Republican challengers are said to be breaking the federal law which makes it a crime to “intimidate, threaten, or coerce . . . for the purpose of interfering with the right to vote.�
Mr. Brosnahan is dispatched, along with an FBI agent, to investigate these charges of voter intimidation. Mr. Broshahan’s sworn testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee in 1986 follows:
“The complaints we received alleged in various forms that the Republican challengers were aggressively challenging many voters without having a basis for that challenge . . .
“Based on my interviews with others, polling officials, and my fellow assistant U.S. attorneys, it was my opinion in 1962 that the challenging effort was designed to reduce the number of black and Hispanic voters by confrontation and intimidation . . .
“When we arrived, the situation was tense. At that precinct I saw William Rehnquist, who was serving as the only Republican challenger (emphasis added). The FBI agent and I both showed our identifications to those concerned, including Mr. Rehnquist . . . The complaints did involve Mr. Rehnquist’s conduct. Our arrival and the showing of our identifications had a quieting effect on the situation and after interviewing several witnesses, we left. Criminal prosecution was declined as a matter of prosecutorial discretion . . .
“I have read the testimony and letter supplied by Justice Designate William Rehnquist to this committee in 1971 . . . He describes his role in the early 1960s as trying to arbitrate disputes at polling places. That is not what Mr. Rehnquist was doing when I saw him on Election Day in 1962.
“At page 491 of the 1971 Record in his letter, William Rehnquist stated: ‘In none of those years did I personally engage in challenging the qualifications of any voters.’ This does not comport with my recollection of the events I witnessed in 1962 when Mr. Rehnquist did serve as a challenger.�
Let’s be fair, though. After all, Little Billy Rehnquist has come a long, long way from those early days in Arizona. It is 2,300 miles from south Phoenix to Washington.
http://www.badattitudes.com/Rehnquist.html
Comment by Say Yes Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 7:57 pm
36.
Just remember. In 2002 a DEA agent was prosecuted and convicted for leaking the name of a person in a laundering investigation. He was mad because a UK person was not being investigated so he leaked it to the London Times. That UK person was a key player in the Britan Conservative Party and in our own Republican Party. This was a pivotal case for the Bush administration and dealing with leakers. The DEA agent copped a plea and only did 1 year in prison, but was facing 580 years. This was a case under a different law than the one everyone is talking about in relation to Plame, but the same law can also be used against them. Perhaps that is where Fitzgerald is going!!
Comment by jamie  July 17, 2005 @ 8:20 pm
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2005/ 07/ 17/ podesta-on-mtp/ trackback/
1.
“Just say ‘Yes.’, Ken.� They could be certain indictments are imminent. Say “Goodnight, Ken.�
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 2:10 pm
2.
Rove said the subject of his conversations with Cooper would be “declassified soon�. Sound like Cooper and Rove are one in the same, and probably why Cooper squealed.
Rep. Roy Blunt seems equally apathetic by saying the CIA thinks too highly of Plame’s secrecy. Unbelievable.
Rep. King, Peter (R-NY-3rd)
Sen. Hutchison, Kay Bailey (R-TX)
Sen. Cornyn, John (R-TX)
Sen. Coleman, Norm (R-MN
Rep. Blunt, Roy (R-MO-7th
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:15 pm
3.
Treasonous bastards one and all. Traitors, and they are in the delicious position of having to defend treason.
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 2:25 pm
4.
I need to correct: Rove said the TOPIC of his conversations with Copper would “soon be declassified�.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:28 pm
5.
It’s the uniform stupid. This administration won’t acknowledge the legitimacy of anyone involved in the “War On Terror� unless they are wearing the appropriate uniform, even if they are on our side.
Comment by Adjectiveman  July 17, 2005 @ 2:29 pm
6.
He also said, “I’ve already said too much.�
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 2:30 pm
7.
Bless You Mr. Podesta.
Mr. Mehlman, you should be ashamed of yourself.
Comment by Jeff  July 17, 2005 @ 2:31 pm
8.
Yes, Yes, Ken, tomorrow is going to be ugly. Probably ugly for Cooper, also. I still cannot believe Cooper actually verbalized these things to Russert. Cooper knew it was classified, yet still wrote. Is this not how you heard it?
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:34 pm
9.
“Podesta on Meet the Press: White House Facing Credibility Deficit�??
Only since day one of the current administration…
Comment by S.D.  July 17, 2005 @ 2:40 pm
10.
although I think Cooper’s argument was that he wrote the information only after Novak outed it. The real issue is that Rove knew it was classified.
Comment by Ted  July 17, 2005 @ 2:42 pm
11.
Agree with Ted.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:51 pm
12.
I read it. I will catch it again tonite, to “see and hear�.
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 3:09 pm
13.
How many of you folks lived thru Watergate? Just curious.
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 3:10 pm
14.
Correction Ted: The real issue is Plame. And Cooper, like Rove, should be held to the same standard of “When in doubt, leave it out�.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 3:16 pm
15.
My father tells me this is worse than Nixon.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 3:18 pm
16.
Ken Mehlman looks like he has some horse somewhere in his family stump.
Pass it on. Shhhh…..
Comment by The Horse Whisper Campaigner  July 17, 2005 @ 3:44 pm
17.
Karl Rove: the plot thickens.
Comment by Jon  July 17, 2005 @ 3:44 pm
18.
Someone needs to write an article or author a movie or play-wher bush and his congress and advisors are all democrats-and so is roveâ€â€now would ken mehlman be saying the same thing? let’s say this was the clinton administration…what would the republicans be doing to clinton now? make me a scenario? i hope someone goes back gets the talking heads and the morning shows and the rants of the right about clinton–and shows them to the public and then shows how the republicans are acting 100% different when it is one of them on the hot seat. I am wishing for this really hard.
Comment by karin  July 17, 2005 @ 4:17 pm
19.
Mr. Podesta was so good on the program, and Mr. Mehlman was so… not. Excellent job, and congratulations.
Comment by Peteykins  July 17, 2005 @ 4:30 pm
20.
Don’t you worry, Karin.
Bob Schieffer just about jumped out of his skin when ROY BLUNT said the CIA was taking Plame too seriously. The talking heads are listening.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 4:44 pm
21.
Let’s say we give ole ROY BLUNT a call and let him know about personal responsibility. Forget Mehlman.
Rep. King, Peter (R-NY-3rd)
Sen. Hutchison, Kay Bailey (R-TX)
Sen. Cornyn, John (R-TX)
Sen. Coleman, Norm (R-MN
Rep. Blunt, Roy (R-MO-7th
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 4:50 pm
22.
Don’t want to insult anyone’s intelligence-but you can email members of congress from Congress.org.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 5:05 pm
23.
Karl Rove walks. He didn’t break any law. End of story.
Comment by susan  July 17, 2005 @ 5:07 pm
24.
Did you notice how tired Ken looks compared to his past outings? I am sure he hasn’t had a sound night’s sleep in about a week. And you know they plastered him with pancake makeup in a vain attempt to make him look good. He is scared shitless and he knows that something big is about to go down. My question is this: If Rove et al are so innocent in all of this why do they all look so worried and scared?
Comment by sneakerchad  July 17, 2005 @ 5:15 pm
25.
Karl Rove walks. He didn’t break any law. End of story.
Comment by susan  July 17, 2005 @ 5:07 pm
Thank you, your Honor.
Comment by Say yes Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 5:29 pm
26.
Get the latest articles and documents on Plamegate at the Karl Rove Scandal Document Library.
Comment by Jon  July 17, 2005 @ 5:32 pm
27.
It is apparent that a number of the readers and other Republicans are having some difficulty in admitting culpability in Rovegate. I have found a word association game that may lend some light to the true culprits:
G. DUHbya Bush â€â€Richard M. Nixon
Dick Cheney Spiro Agnew
Karl Rove â€â€H. R. Halderman
Condo Rice John Erlichman
Al Gonzales–Your Choice John Dean
Don Rumsfeldâ€â€G. Gordon Liddy
Hilary Clinton* â€â€Gerald Ford
* My apologies to Hilary as I doubt she will pardon DUHbya)
(and to those of you that saw it the first time on one of my earlier postings.
When doing this little exercise one should remember the look, quack, waddle and other peculiar features of the proverbial duck in terms of “if it: it must be� while keeping in mind RMN’s most famous utterance “I am not a crook!�
Comment by Don Davis  July 17, 2005 @ 5:39 pm
28.
Please delete “your choice� from in front of “John Dean.�
Mea culpa.
Comment by Don Davis  July 17, 2005 @ 5:44 pm
29.
Don,
Or as Mr. Mann used the Nixon quote in his report to Mr. Tomlinson of the CPB,�I am not a cook�!
Comment by Skid  July 17, 2005 @ 5:45 pm
30.
ED, Steed, Northeast, fake, and karla,
I’d like to let you know that I am compiling a cookbook of tasty ideas for preparing all the crow you will have to eat when this is done. More details later.
Comment by Skid  July 17, 2005 @ 6:20 pm
31.
I believe chicken george bush has proven time and again that he is not a man of his word.
Comment by merlallen  July 17, 2005 @ 6:46 pm
32.
I was a young teenager during Watergate, I remember most of it. This is better.
Comment by merlallen  July 17, 2005 @ 6:49 pm
33.
God I hope he goes down and takes others with him. But never forget, and in any case, keep plugging the connection…. Rove, Cheney…..WMD,WMD …. DSM, DSM… Treason, Treason.
Impeach Bush.
Try him for treason.
hang him.
Comment by Richard Duff  July 17, 2005 @ 6:49 pm
34.
Skid,
Thanks! I admit I had to do my homework on Tomlinson/Mann. I am sure the report reported scars on DUHbya’s palms and feet as well! I suspect DUHbya’s scars will be less obvious than that when all the issues are finally put to rest in that place where the sun don’t shine. I plan on doing my share of the pushing.
Comment by Don Davis  July 17, 2005 @ 7:27 pm
35.
Little Billy Rehnquist…
Inside each of us the little boy or girl still hides. We may even dress up in private–put on a soldier suit or a silly hat and sneak a peek in the mirror. If we have been careful in our choice of profession, we are even allowed to dress up in public. Look at RuPaul, say. Look at Oliver North testifying in his cool Marine threads. Or look at William Hubbs Rehnquist in his black robe with fat gold stripes so everybody will know he’s The Biggest Justice of Them All.
But underneath that robe hides the same little scamp, Billy Rehnquist, who used to run around the neighborhood terrorizing minority voters forty years ago.
Return with me now to those innocent days of yesteryear.
It is election day in November of 1962. We are in Phoenix, Arizona, where a young former Supreme Court clerk is doing his unlevel best to see that Barry Goldwater is elected president. The young man, William H. Rehnquist, Esq., has been director of “ballot security� operations for the local Republican Party since 1958. On this day he is the sole Republican official at a polling station in south Phoenix, which is overwhelmingly African-American, Hispanic, and Democratic.
On that same day in Phoenix another young lawyer, James J. Brosnahan, is sitting in the office of the United States Attorney in Phoenix. Mr. Brosnahan, a graduate of Harvard Law School, is an assistant U.S. attorney.
Complaints of voter harassment are pouring in from precincts in south Phoenix. Republican challengers are said to be breaking the federal law which makes it a crime to “intimidate, threaten, or coerce . . . for the purpose of interfering with the right to vote.�
Mr. Brosnahan is dispatched, along with an FBI agent, to investigate these charges of voter intimidation. Mr. Broshahan’s sworn testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee in 1986 follows:
“The complaints we received alleged in various forms that the Republican challengers were aggressively challenging many voters without having a basis for that challenge . . .
“Based on my interviews with others, polling officials, and my fellow assistant U.S. attorneys, it was my opinion in 1962 that the challenging effort was designed to reduce the number of black and Hispanic voters by confrontation and intimidation . . .
“When we arrived, the situation was tense. At that precinct I saw William Rehnquist, who was serving as the only Republican challenger (emphasis added). The FBI agent and I both showed our identifications to those concerned, including Mr. Rehnquist . . . The complaints did involve Mr. Rehnquist’s conduct. Our arrival and the showing of our identifications had a quieting effect on the situation and after interviewing several witnesses, we left. Criminal prosecution was declined as a matter of prosecutorial discretion . . .
“I have read the testimony and letter supplied by Justice Designate William Rehnquist to this committee in 1971 . . . He describes his role in the early 1960s as trying to arbitrate disputes at polling places. That is not what Mr. Rehnquist was doing when I saw him on Election Day in 1962.
“At page 491 of the 1971 Record in his letter, William Rehnquist stated: ‘In none of those years did I personally engage in challenging the qualifications of any voters.’ This does not comport with my recollection of the events I witnessed in 1962 when Mr. Rehnquist did serve as a challenger.�
Let’s be fair, though. After all, Little Billy Rehnquist has come a long, long way from those early days in Arizona. It is 2,300 miles from south Phoenix to Washington.
http://www.badattitudes.com/Rehnquist.html
Comment by Say Yes Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 7:57 pm
36.
Just remember. In 2002 a DEA agent was prosecuted and convicted for leaking the name of a person in a laundering investigation. He was mad because a UK person was not being investigated so he leaked it to the London Times. That UK person was a key player in the Britan Conservative Party and in our own Republican Party. This was a pivotal case for the Bush administration and dealing with leakers. The DEA agent copped a plea and only did 1 year in prison, but was facing 580 years. This was a case under a different law than the one everyone is talking about in relation to Plame, but the same law can also be used against them. Perhaps that is where Fitzgerald is going!!
Comment by jamie  July 17, 2005 @ 8:20 pm
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2005/ 07/ 17/ podesta-on-mtp/ trackback/
1.
“Just say ‘Yes.’, Ken.� They could be certain indictments are imminent. Say “Goodnight, Ken.�
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 2:10 pm
2.
Rove said the subject of his conversations with Cooper would be “declassified soon�. Sound like Cooper and Rove are one in the same, and probably why Cooper squealed.
Rep. Roy Blunt seems equally apathetic by saying the CIA thinks too highly of Plame’s secrecy. Unbelievable.
Rep. King, Peter (R-NY-3rd)
Sen. Hutchison, Kay Bailey (R-TX)
Sen. Cornyn, John (R-TX)
Sen. Coleman, Norm (R-MN
Rep. Blunt, Roy (R-MO-7th
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:15 pm
3.
Treasonous bastards one and all. Traitors, and they are in the delicious position of having to defend treason.
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 2:25 pm
4.
I need to correct: Rove said the TOPIC of his conversations with Copper would “soon be declassified�.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:28 pm
5.
It’s the uniform stupid. This administration won’t acknowledge the legitimacy of anyone involved in the “War On Terror� unless they are wearing the appropriate uniform, even if they are on our side.
Comment by Adjectiveman  July 17, 2005 @ 2:29 pm
6.
He also said, “I’ve already said too much.�
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 2:30 pm
7.
Bless You Mr. Podesta.
Mr. Mehlman, you should be ashamed of yourself.
Comment by Jeff  July 17, 2005 @ 2:31 pm
8.
Yes, Yes, Ken, tomorrow is going to be ugly. Probably ugly for Cooper, also. I still cannot believe Cooper actually verbalized these things to Russert. Cooper knew it was classified, yet still wrote. Is this not how you heard it?
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:34 pm
9.
“Podesta on Meet the Press: White House Facing Credibility Deficit�??
Only since day one of the current administration…
Comment by S.D.  July 17, 2005 @ 2:40 pm
10.
although I think Cooper’s argument was that he wrote the information only after Novak outed it. The real issue is that Rove knew it was classified.
Comment by Ted  July 17, 2005 @ 2:42 pm
11.
Agree with Ted.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:51 pm
12.
I read it. I will catch it again tonite, to “see and hear�.
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 3:09 pm
13.
How many of you folks lived thru Watergate? Just curious.
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 3:10 pm
14.
Correction Ted: The real issue is Plame. And Cooper, like Rove, should be held to the same standard of “When in doubt, leave it out�.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 3:16 pm
15.
My father tells me this is worse than Nixon.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 3:18 pm
16.
Ken Mehlman looks like he has some horse somewhere in his family stump.
Pass it on. Shhhh…..
Comment by The Horse Whisper Campaigner  July 17, 2005 @ 3:44 pm
17.
Karl Rove: the plot thickens.
Comment by Jon  July 17, 2005 @ 3:44 pm
18.
Someone needs to write an article or author a movie or play-wher bush and his congress and advisors are all democrats-and so is roveâ€â€now would ken mehlman be saying the same thing? let’s say this was the clinton administration…what would the republicans be doing to clinton now? make me a scenario? i hope someone goes back gets the talking heads and the morning shows and the rants of the right about clinton–and shows them to the public and then shows how the republicans are acting 100% different when it is one of them on the hot seat. I am wishing for this really hard.
Comment by karin  July 17, 2005 @ 4:17 pm
19.
Mr. Podesta was so good on the program, and Mr. Mehlman was so… not. Excellent job, and congratulations.
Comment by Peteykins  July 17, 2005 @ 4:30 pm
20.
Don’t you worry, Karin.
Bob Schieffer just about jumped out of his skin when ROY BLUNT said the CIA was taking Plame too seriously. The talking heads are listening.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 4:44 pm
21.
Let’s say we give ole ROY BLUNT a call and let him know about personal responsibility. Forget Mehlman.
Rep. King, Peter (R-NY-3rd)
Sen. Hutchison, Kay Bailey (R-TX)
Sen. Cornyn, John (R-TX)
Sen. Coleman, Norm (R-MN
Rep. Blunt, Roy (R-MO-7th
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 4:50 pm
22.
Don’t want to insult anyone’s intelligence-but you can email members of congress from Congress.org.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 5:05 pm
23.
Karl Rove walks. He didn’t break any law. End of story.
Comment by susan  July 17, 2005 @ 5:07 pm
24.
Did you notice how tired Ken looks compared to his past outings? I am sure he hasn’t had a sound night’s sleep in about a week. And you know they plastered him with pancake makeup in a vain attempt to make him look good. He is scared shitless and he knows that something big is about to go down. My question is this: If Rove et al are so innocent in all of this why do they all look so worried and scared?
Comment by sneakerchad  July 17, 2005 @ 5:15 pm
25.
Karl Rove walks. He didn’t break any law. End of story.
Comment by susan  July 17, 2005 @ 5:07 pm
Thank you, your Honor.
Comment by Say yes Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 5:29 pm
26.
Get the latest articles and documents on Plamegate at the Karl Rove Scandal Document Library.
Comment by Jon  July 17, 2005 @ 5:32 pm
27.
It is apparent that a number of the readers and other Republicans are having some difficulty in admitting culpability in Rovegate. I have found a word association game that may lend some light to the true culprits:
G. DUHbya Bush â€â€Richard M. Nixon
Dick Cheney Spiro Agnew
Karl Rove â€â€H. R. Halderman
Condo Rice John Erlichman
Al Gonzales–Your Choice John Dean
Don Rumsfeldâ€â€G. Gordon Liddy
Hilary Clinton* â€â€Gerald Ford
* My apologies to Hilary as I doubt she will pardon DUHbya)
(and to those of you that saw it the first time on one of my earlier postings.
When doing this little exercise one should remember the look, quack, waddle and other peculiar features of the proverbial duck in terms of “if it: it must be� while keeping in mind RMN’s most famous utterance “I am not a crook!�
Comment by Don Davis  July 17, 2005 @ 5:39 pm
28.
Please delete “your choice� from in front of “John Dean.�
Mea culpa.
Comment by Don Davis  July 17, 2005 @ 5:44 pm
29.
Don,
Or as Mr. Mann used the Nixon quote in his report to Mr. Tomlinson of the CPB,�I am not a cook�!
Comment by Skid  July 17, 2005 @ 5:45 pm
30.
ED, Steed, Northeast, fake, and karla,
I’d like to let you know that I am compiling a cookbook of tasty ideas for preparing all the crow you will have to eat when this is done. More details later.
Comment by Skid  July 17, 2005 @ 6:20 pm
31.
I believe chicken george bush has proven time and again that he is not a man of his word.
Comment by merlallen  July 17, 2005 @ 6:46 pm
32.
I was a young teenager during Watergate, I remember most of it. This is better.
Comment by merlallen  July 17, 2005 @ 6:49 pm
33.
God I hope he goes down and takes others with him. But never forget, and in any case, keep plugging the connection…. Rove, Cheney…..WMD,WMD …. DSM, DSM… Treason, Treason.
Impeach Bush.
Try him for treason.
hang him.
Comment by Richard Duff  July 17, 2005 @ 6:49 pm
34.
Skid,
Thanks! I admit I had to do my homework on Tomlinson/Mann. I am sure the report reported scars on DUHbya’s palms and feet as well! I suspect DUHbya’s scars will be less obvious than that when all the issues are finally put to rest in that place where the sun don’t shine. I plan on doing my share of the pushing.
Comment by Don Davis  July 17, 2005 @ 7:27 pm
35.
Little Billy Rehnquist…
Inside each of us the little boy or girl still hides. We may even dress up in private–put on a soldier suit or a silly hat and sneak a peek in the mirror. If we have been careful in our choice of profession, we are even allowed to dress up in public. Look at RuPaul, say. Look at Oliver North testifying in his cool Marine threads. Or look at William Hubbs Rehnquist in his black robe with fat gold stripes so everybody will know he’s The Biggest Justice of Them All.
But underneath that robe hides the same little scamp, Billy Rehnquist, who used to run around the neighborhood terrorizing minority voters forty years ago.
Return with me now to those innocent days of yesteryear.
It is election day in November of 1962. We are in Phoenix, Arizona, where a young former Supreme Court clerk is doing his unlevel best to see that Barry Goldwater is elected president. The young man, William H. Rehnquist, Esq., has been director of “ballot security� operations for the local Republican Party since 1958. On this day he is the sole Republican official at a polling station in south Phoenix, which is overwhelmingly African-American, Hispanic, and Democratic.
On that same day in Phoenix another young lawyer, James J. Brosnahan, is sitting in the office of the United States Attorney in Phoenix. Mr. Brosnahan, a graduate of Harvard Law School, is an assistant U.S. attorney.
Complaints of voter harassment are pouring in from precincts in south Phoenix. Republican challengers are said to be breaking the federal law which makes it a crime to “intimidate, threaten, or coerce . . . for the purpose of interfering with the right to vote.�
Mr. Brosnahan is dispatched, along with an FBI agent, to investigate these charges of voter intimidation. Mr. Broshahan’s sworn testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee in 1986 follows:
“The complaints we received alleged in various forms that the Republican challengers were aggressively challenging many voters without having a basis for that challenge . . .
“Based on my interviews with others, polling officials, and my fellow assistant U.S. attorneys, it was my opinion in 1962 that the challenging effort was designed to reduce the number of black and Hispanic voters by confrontation and intimidation . . .
“When we arrived, the situation was tense. At that precinct I saw William Rehnquist, who was serving as the only Republican challenger (emphasis added). The FBI agent and I both showed our identifications to those concerned, including Mr. Rehnquist . . . The complaints did involve Mr. Rehnquist’s conduct. Our arrival and the showing of our identifications had a quieting effect on the situation and after interviewing several witnesses, we left. Criminal prosecution was declined as a matter of prosecutorial discretion . . .
“I have read the testimony and letter supplied by Justice Designate William Rehnquist to this committee in 1971 . . . He describes his role in the early 1960s as trying to arbitrate disputes at polling places. That is not what Mr. Rehnquist was doing when I saw him on Election Day in 1962.
“At page 491 of the 1971 Record in his letter, William Rehnquist stated: ‘In none of those years did I personally engage in challenging the qualifications of any voters.’ This does not comport with my recollection of the events I witnessed in 1962 when Mr. Rehnquist did serve as a challenger.�
Let’s be fair, though. After all, Little Billy Rehnquist has come a long, long way from those early days in Arizona. It is 2,300 miles from south Phoenix to Washington.
http://www.badattitudes.com/Rehnquist.html
Comment by Say Yes Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 7:57 pm
36.
Just remember. In 2002 a DEA agent was prosecuted and convicted for leaking the name of a person in a laundering investigation. He was mad because a UK person was not being investigated so he leaked it to the London Times. That UK person was a key player in the Britan Conservative Party and in our own Republican Party. This was a pivotal case for the Bush administration and dealing with leakers. The DEA agent copped a plea and only did 1 year in prison, but was facing 580 years. This was a case under a different law than the one everyone is talking about in relation to Plame, but the same law can also be used against them. Perhaps that is where Fitzgerald is going!!
Comment by jamie  July 17, 2005 @ 8:20 pm
pmnquist has come a long, long way from those early days in Arizona. It is 2,300 miles from south Phoenix to Washington.
http://www.badattitudes.com/Rehnquist.html
Comment by Say Yes Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 7:57 pm
36.
Just remember. In 2002 a DEA agent was prosecuted and convicted for leaking the name of a person in a laundering investigation. He was mad because a UK person was not being investigated so he leaked it to the London Times. That UK person was a key player in the Britan Conservative Party and in our own Republican Party. This was a pivotal case for the Bush administration and dealing with leakers. The DEA agent copped a plea and only did 1 year in prison, but was facing 580 years. This was a case under a different law than the one everyone is talking about in relation to Plame, but the same law can also be used against them. Perhaps that is where Fitzgerald is going!!
Comment by jamie  July 17, 2005 @ 8:20 pm
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2005/ 07/ 17/ podesta-on-mtp/ trackback/
1.
“Just say ‘Yes.’, Ken.� They could be certain indictments are imminent. Say “Goodnight, Ken.�
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 2:10 pm
2.
Rove said the subject of his conversations with Cooper would be “declassified soon�. Sound like Cooper and Rove are one in the same, and probably why Cooper squealed.
Rep. Roy Blunt seems equally apathetic by saying the CIA thinks too highly of Plame’s secrecy. Unbelievable.
Rep. King, Peter (R-NY-3rd)
Sen. Hutchison, Kay Bailey (R-TX)
Sen. Cornyn, John (R-TX)
Sen. Coleman, Norm (R-MN
Rep. Blunt, Roy (R-MO-7th
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:15 pm
3.
Treasonous bastards one and all. Traitors, and they are in the delicious position of having to defend treason.
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 2:25 pm
4.
I need to correct: Rove said the TOPIC of his conversations with Copper would “soon be declassified�.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:28 pm
5.
It’s the uniform stupid. This administration won’t acknowledge the legitimacy of anyone involved in the “War On Terror� unless they are wearing the appropriate uniform, even if they are on our side.
Comment by Adjectiveman  July 17, 2005 @ 2:29 pm
6.
He also said, “I’ve already said too much.�
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 2:30 pm
7.
Bless You Mr. Podesta.
Mr. Mehlman, you should be ashamed of yourself.
Comment by Jeff  July 17, 2005 @ 2:31 pm
8.
Yes, Yes, Ken, tomorrow is going to be ugly. Probably ugly for Cooper, also. I still cannot believe Cooper actually verbalized these things to Russert. Cooper knew it was classified, yet still wrote. Is this not how you heard it?
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:34 pm
9.
“Podesta on Meet the Press: White House Facing Credibility Deficit�??
Only since day one of the current administration…
Comment by S.D.  July 17, 2005 @ 2:40 pm
10.
although I think Cooper’s argument was that he wrote the information only after Novak outed it. The real issue is that Rove knew it was classified.
Comment by Ted  July 17, 2005 @ 2:42 pm
11.
Agree with Ted.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:51 pm
12.
I read it. I will catch it again tonite, to “see and hear�.
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 3:09 pm
13.
How many of you folks lived thru Watergate? Just curious.
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 3:10 pm
14.
Correction Ted: The real issue is Plame. And Cooper, like Rove, should be held to the same standard of “When in doubt, leave it out�.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 3:16 pm
15.
My father tells me this is worse than Nixon.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 3:18 pm
16.
Ken Mehlman looks like he has some horse somewhere in his family stump.
Pass it on. Shhhh…..
Comment by The Horse Whisper Campaigner  July 17, 2005 @ 3:44 pm
17.
Karl Rove: the plot thickens.
Comment by Jon  July 17, 2005 @ 3:44 pm
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Someone needs to write an article or author a movie or play-wher bush and his congress and advisors are all democrats-and so is roveâ€â€now would ken mehlman be saying the same thing? let’s say this was the clinton administration…what would the republicans be doing to clinton now? make me a scenario? i hope someone goes back gets the talking heads and the morning shows and the rants of the right about clinton–and shows them to the public and then shows how the republicans are acting 100% different when it is one of them on the hot seat. I am wishing for this really hard.
Comment by karin  July 17, 2005 @ 4:17 pm
19.
Mr. Podesta was so good on the program, and Mr. Mehlman was so… not. Excellent job, and congratulations.
Comment by Peteykins  July 17, 2005 @ 4:30 pm
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Don’t you worry, Karin.
Bob Schieffer just about jumped out of his skin when ROY BLUNT said the CIA was taking Plame too seriously. The talking heads are listening.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 4:44 pm
21.
Let’s say we give ole ROY BLUNT a call and let him know about personal responsibility. Forget Mehlman.
Rep. King, Peter (R-NY-3rd)
Sen. Hutchison, Kay Bailey (R-TX)
Sen. Cornyn, John (R-TX)
Sen. Coleman, Norm (R-MN
Rep. Blunt, Roy (R-MO-7th
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 4:50 pm
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Don’t want to insult anyone’s intelligence-but you can email members of congress from Congress.org.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 5:05 pm
23.
Karl Rove walks. He didn’t break any law. End of story.
Comment by susan  July 17, 2005 @ 5:07 pm
24.
Did you notice how tired Ken looks compared to his past outings? I am sure he hasn’t had a sound night’s sleep in about a week. And you know they plastered him with pancake makeup in a vain attempt to make him look good. He is scared shitless and he knows that something big is about to go down. My question is this: If Rove et al are so innocent in all of this why do they all look so worried and scared?
Comment by sneakerchad  July 17, 2005 @ 5:15 pm
25.
Karl Rove walks. He didn’t break any law. End of story.
Comment by susan  July 17, 2005 @ 5:07 pm
Thank you, your Honor.
Comment by Say yes Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 5:29 pm
26.
Get the latest articles and documents on Plamegate at the Karl Rove Scandal Document Library.
Comment by Jon  July 17, 2005 @ 5:32 pm
27.
It is apparent that a number of the readers and other Republicans are having some difficulty in admitting culpability in Rovegate. I have found a word association game that may lend some light to the true culprits:
G. DUHbya Bush â€â€Richard M. Nixon
Dick Cheney Spiro Agnew
Karl Rove â€â€H. R. Halderman
Condo Rice John Erlichman
Al Gonzales–Your Choice John Dean
Don Rumsfeldâ€â€G. Gordon Liddy
Hilary Clinton* â€â€Gerald Ford
* My apologies to Hilary as I doubt she will pardon DUHbya)
(and to those of you that saw it the first time on one of my earlier postings.
When doing this little exercise one should remember the look, quack, waddle and other peculiar features of the proverbial duck in terms of “if it: it must be� while keeping in mind RMN’s most famous utterance “I am not a crook!�
Comment by Don Davis  July 17, 2005 @ 5:39 pm
28.
Please delete “your choice� from in front of “John Dean.�
Mea culpa.
Comment by Don Davis  July 17, 2005 @ 5:44 pm
29.
Don,
Or as Mr. Mann used the Nixon quote in his report to Mr. Tomlinson of the CPB,�I am not a cook�!
Comment by Skid  July 17, 2005 @ 5:45 pm
30.
ED, Steed, Northeast, fake, and karla,
I’d like to let you know that I am compiling a cookbook of tasty ideas for preparing all the crow you will have to eat when this is done. More details later.
Comment by Skid  July 17, 2005 @ 6:20 pm
31.
I believe chicken george bush has proven time and again that he is not a man of his word.
Comment by merlallen  July 17, 2005 @ 6:46 pm
32.
I was a young teenager during Watergate, I remember most of it. This is better.
Comment by merlallen  July 17, 2005 @ 6:49 pm
33.
God I hope he goes down and takes others with him. But never forget, and in any case, keep plugging the connection…. Rove, Cheney…..WMD,WMD …. DSM, DSM… Treason, Treason.
Impeach Bush.
Try him for treason.
hang him.
Comment by Richard Duff  July 17, 2005 @ 6:49 pm
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Skid,
Thanks! I admit I had to do my homework on Tomlinson/Mann. I am sure the report reported scars on DUHbya’s palms and feet as well! I suspect DUHbya’s scars will be less obvious than that when all the issues are finally put to rest in that place where the sun don’t shine. I plan on doing my share of the pushing.
Comment by Don Davis  July 17, 2005 @ 7:27 pm
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Little Billy Rehnquist…
Inside each of us the little boy or girl still hides. We may even dress up in private–put on a soldier suit or a silly hat and sneak a peek in the mirror. If we have been careful in our choice of profession, we are even allowed to dress up in public. Look at RuPaul, say. Look at Oliver North testifying in his cool Marine threads. Or look at William Hubbs Rehnquist in his black robe with fat gold stripes so everybody will know he’s The Biggest Justice of Them All.
But underneath that robe hides the same little scamp, Billy Rehnquist, who used to run around the neighborhood terrorizing minority voters forty years ago.
Return with me now to those innocent days of yesteryear.
It is election day in November of 1962. We are in Phoenix, Arizona, where a young former Supreme Court clerk is doing his unlevel best to see that Barry Goldwater is elected president. The young man, William H. Rehnquist, Esq., has been director of “ballot security� operations for the local Republican Party since 1958. On this day he is the sole Republican official at a polling station in south Phoenix, which is overwhelmingly African-American, Hispanic, and Democratic.
On that same day in Phoenix another young lawyer, James J. Brosnahan, is sitting in the office of the United States Attorney in Phoenix. Mr. Brosnahan, a graduate of Harvard Law School, is an assistant U.S. attorney.
Complaints of voter harassment are pouring in from precincts in south Phoenix. Republican challengers are said to be breaking the federal law which makes it a crime to “intimidate, threaten, or coerce . . . for the purpose of interfering with the right to vote.�
Mr. Brosnahan is dispatched, along with an FBI agent, to investigate these charges of voter intimidation. Mr. Broshahan’s sworn testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee in 1986 follows:
“The complaints we received alleged in various forms that the Republican challengers were aggressively challenging many voters without having a basis for that challenge . . .
“Based on my interviews with others, polling officials, and my fellow assistant U.S. attorneys, it was my opinion in 1962 that the challenging effort was designed to reduce the number of black and Hispanic voters by confrontation and intimidation . . .
“When we arrived, the situation was tense. At that precinct I saw William Rehnquist, who was serving as the only Republican challenger (emphasis added). The FBI agent and I both showed our identifications to those concerned, including Mr. Rehnquist . . . The complaints did involve Mr. Rehnquist’s conduct. Our arrival and the showing of our identifications had a quieting effect on the situation and after interviewing several witnesses, we left. Criminal prosecution was declined as a matter of prosecutorial discretion . . .
“I have read the testimony and letter supplied by Justice Designate William Rehnquist to this committee in 1971 . . . He describes his role in the early 1960s as trying to arbitrate disputes at polling places. That is not what Mr. Rehnquist was doing when I saw him on Election Day in 1962.
“At page 491 of the 1971 Record in his letter, William Rehnquist stated: ‘In none of those years did I personally engage in challenging the qualifications of any voters.’ This does not comport with my recollection of the events I witnessed in 1962 when Mr. Rehnquist did serve as a challenger.�
Let’s be fair, though. After all, Little Billy Rehnquist has come a long, long way from those early days in Arizona. It is 2,300 miles from south Phoenix to Washington.
http://www.badattitudes.com/Rehnquist.html
Comment by Say Yes Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 7:57 pm
36.
Just remember. In 2002 a DEA agent was prosecuted and convicted for leaking the name of a person in a laundering investigation. He was mad because a UK person was not being investigated so he leaked it to the London Times. That UK person was a key player in the Britan Conservative Party and in our own Republican Party. This was a pivotal case for the Bush administration and dealing with leakers. The DEA agent copped a plea and only did 1 year in prison, but was facing 580 years. This was a case under a different law than the one everyone is talking about in relation to Plame, but the same law can also be used against them. Perhaps that is where Fitzgerald is going!!
Comment by jamie  July 17, 2005 @ 8:20 pm
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2005/ 07/ 17/ podesta-on-mtp/ trackback/
1.
“Just say ‘Yes.’, Ken.� They could be certain indictments are imminent. Say “Goodnight, Ken.�
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 2:10 pm
2.
Rove said the subject of his conversations with Cooper would be “declassified soon�. Sound like Cooper and Rove are one in the same, and probably why Cooper squealed.
Rep. Roy Blunt seems equally apathetic by saying the CIA thinks too highly of Plame’s secrecy. Unbelievable.
Rep. King, Peter (R-NY-3rd)
Sen. Hutchison, Kay Bailey (R-TX)
Sen. Cornyn, John (R-TX)
Sen. Coleman, Norm (R-MN
Rep. Blunt, Roy (R-MO-7th
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:15 pm
3.
Treasonous bastards one and all. Traitors, and they are in the delicious position of having to defend treason.
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 2:25 pm
4.
I need to correct: Rove said the TOPIC of his conversations with Copper would “soon be declassified�.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:28 pm
5.
It’s the uniform stupid. This administration won’t acknowledge the legitimacy of anyone involved in the “War On Terror� unless they are wearing the appropriate uniform, even if they are on our side.
Comment by Adjectiveman  July 17, 2005 @ 2:29 pm
6.
He also said, “I’ve already said too much.�
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 2:30 pm
7.
Bless You Mr. Podesta.
Mr. Mehlman, you should be ashamed of yourself.
Comment by Jeff  July 17, 2005 @ 2:31 pm
8.
Yes, Yes, Ken, tomorrow is going to be ugly. Probably ugly for Cooper, also. I still cannot believe Cooper actually verbalized these things to Russert. Cooper knew it was classified, yet still wrote. Is this not how you heard it?
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:34 pm
9.
“Podesta on Meet the Press: White House Facing Credibility Deficit�??
Only since day one of the current administration…
Comment by S.D.  July 17, 2005 @ 2:40 pm
10.
although I think Cooper’s argument was that he wrote the information only after Novak outed it. The real issue is that Rove knew it was classified.
Comment by Ted  July 17, 2005 @ 2:42 pm
11.
Agree with Ted.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:51 pm
12.
I read it. I will catch it again tonite, to “see and hear�.
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 3:09 pm
13.
How many of you folks lived thru Watergate? Just curious.
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 3:10 pm
14.
Correction Ted: The real issue is Plame. And Cooper, like Rove, should be held to the same standard of “When in doubt, leave it out�.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 3:16 pm
15.
My father tells me this is worse than Nixon.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 3:18 pm
16.
Ken Mehlman looks like he has some horse somewhere in his family stump.
Pass it on. Shhhh…..
Comment by The Horse Whisper Campaigner  July 17, 2005 @ 3:44 pm
17.
Karl Rove: the plot thickens.
Comment by Jon  July 17, 2005 @ 3:44 pm
18.
Someone needs to write an article or author a movie or play-wher bush and his congress and advisors are all democrats-and so is roveâ€â€now would ken mehlman be saying the same thing? let’s say this was the clinton administration…what would the republicans be doing to clinton now? make me a scenario? i hope someone goes back gets the talking heads and the morning shows and the rants of the right about clinton–and shows them to the public and then shows how the republicans are acting 100% different when it is one of them on the hot seat. I am wishing for this really hard.
Comment by karin  July 17, 2005 @ 4:17 pm
19.
Mr. Podesta was so good on the program, and Mr. Mehlman was so… not. Excellent job, and congratulations.
Comment by Peteykins  July 17, 2005 @ 4:30 pm
20.
Don’t you worry, Karin.
Bob Schieffer just about jumped out of his skin when ROY BLUNT said the CIA was taking Plame too seriously. The talking heads are listening.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 4:44 pm
21.
Let’s say we give ole ROY BLUNT a call and let him know about personal responsibility. Forget Mehlman.
Rep. King, Peter (R-NY-3rd)
Sen. Hutchison, Kay Bailey (R-TX)
Sen. Cornyn, John (R-TX)
Sen. Coleman, Norm (R-MN
Rep. Blunt, Roy (R-MO-7th
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 4:50 pm
22.
Don’t want to insult anyone’s intelligence-but you can email members of congress from Congress.org.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 5:05 pm
23.
Karl Rove walks. He didn’t break any law. End of story.
Comment by susan  July 17, 2005 @ 5:07 pm
24.
Did you notice how tired Ken looks compared to his past outings? I am sure he hasn’t had a sound night’s sleep in about a week. And you know they plastered him with pancake makeup in a vain attempt to make him look good. He is scared shitless and he knows that something big is about to go down. My question is this: If Rove et al are so innocent in all of this why do they all look so worried and scared?
Comment by sneakerchad  July 17, 2005 @ 5:15 pm
25.
Karl Rove walks. He didn’t break any law. End of story.
Comment by susan  July 17, 2005 @ 5:07 pm
Thank you, your Honor.
Comment by Say yes Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 5:29 pm
26.
Get the latest articles and documents on Plamegate at the Karl Rove Scandal Document Library.
Comment by Jon  July 17, 2005 @ 5:32 pm
27.
It is apparent that a number of the readers and other Republicans are having some difficulty in admitting culpability in Rovegate. I have found a word association game that may lend some light to the true culprits:
G. DUHbya Bush â€â€Richard M. Nixon
Dick Cheney Spiro Agnew
Karl Rove â€â€H. R. Halderman
Condo Rice John Erlichman
Al Gonzales–Your Choice John Dean
Don Rumsfeldâ€â€G. Gordon Liddy
Hilary Clinton* â€â€Gerald Ford
* My apologies to Hilary as I doubt she will pardon DUHbya)
(and to those of you that saw it the first time on one of my earlier postings.
When doing this little exercise one should remember the look, quack, waddle and other peculiar features of the proverbial duck in terms of “if it: it must be� while keeping in mind RMN’s most famous utterance “I am not a crook!�
Comment by Don Davis  July 17, 2005 @ 5:39 pm
28.
Please delete “your choice� from in front of “John Dean.�
Mea culpa.
Comment by Don Davis  July 17, 2005 @ 5:44 pm
29.
Don,
Or as Mr. Mann used the Nixon quote in his report to Mr. Tomlinson of the CPB,�I am not a cook�!
Comment by Skid  July 17, 2005 @ 5:45 pm
30.
ED, Steed, Northeast, fake, and karla,
I’d like to let you know that I am compiling a cookbook of tasty ideas for preparing all the crow you will have to eat when this is done. More details later.
Comment by Skid  July 17, 2005 @ 6:20 pm
31.
I believe chicken george bush has proven time and again that he is not a man of his word.
Comment by merlallen  July 17, 2005 @ 6:46 pm
32.
I was a young teenager during Watergate, I remember most of it. This is better.
Comment by merlallen  July 17, 2005 @ 6:49 pm
33.
God I hope he goes down and takes others with him. But never forget, and in any case, keep plugging the connection…. Rove, Cheney…..WMD,WMD …. DSM, DSM… Treason, Treason.
July 17th, 2005 at 9:10 pmImpeach Bush.
Try him for treason.
I am suprised that noone has decried the use of the term holocaust by the anti-abortion loonies. Seems like every time a democrat uses terms like holocaust, nazi, etc there immediatly attacked by the right.
Comment by Krazny
Well don’t you think you need to describe the killing of millions of innocents to count as a holocaust, or are panties on the head of a jihadist the same as a concentration camp?
July 18th, 2005 at 1:58 amThe key phrase here is “Women’s Rights�. FAKE, since you aren’t responsible for the birth of the child, so I don’t think your comments are important or relevant.
Like everything else this administration has touched, women’s rights have been set back to the middle ages. Since the males in charge are not interested in helping the cause, I think we should atleast have the courtesy to allow women to set their policies. They can understand and represent their issues better than any male could pretend to.
Comment by David B
I’m not responsible for the birth of a child? We are talking asexual women here? And as for privacy, so as long as you keep a murder between you and your victim, no problem, go for it. Now explain how it’s constitutional. Explain how you don’t have the right to grow pot in your house, that effects state commerce, even if it’s for the sick, but you have the right to murder your child? One is not protected by the constitution but the other is? The problem with the SCoTUs is they take away rights that are expressed in the constitution, like your %th Amendment protection in Kelo decision, and extend rights that are not expressed, like roe v wade.
July 18th, 2005 at 2:07 amBush agrees. Bush believes the right to choose is between a woman, her doctor, her pastor, and a vengeful God using the hands of government to do His Works.
(cue lightning)
July 18th, 2005 at 2:18 amThink Rove!!!!!!!!
Every thread turns into a Rove thread, you guys, it’s so freaking funny. Why didn’t Coopers Meet the Press transcript make a thread, sucking up to Panetta is more important, or Cooper didn’t say what you wanted to hear? And he’s married to a dhimmicrat “advisor” and still didn’t give you guys what you wanted? Lol.
July 18th, 2005 at 2:19 amex-hippie, SCOTUS also said white men had the right to own blacks, but that didn’t make that right now did it? That’s ok, first it was the unborn, now its the sick and soon it will be on to the next, you better hope it’s not stinking hippys.
July 18th, 2005 at 2:32 amI hear the knew Court may alllow us to own Republicans. To make them work for minimum wage, and even whip them, for fun.
July 18th, 2005 at 9:21 amOf course Laura wouldn’t suggest banning abortion. She’d be a grandma 50 times over by now.
July 18th, 2005 at 10:53 amSusan – lol!! Good one exposing your hatred for Bush again.
Bush should follow his campaign promise when appointing SC justices – appoint those in the mold of Scalia. Roe is not the only issue on the Court and any attempt to appease hateful people in this blog will backfire. Bush should appeal to his base and keep his promises.
Wonderful what Laura and Gale Norton think – but they are not the President.
July 18th, 2005 at 10:56 amGood we agree on something Dilemma, the Bushie girls get around and Laura wants to prevent too many bi-racial babies from joining the family.
It’s not good for their image now is it?
July 18th, 2005 at 11:06 amActually, it’s not good for your image Sue – spewing hate and unconfirmed rumors if they are even rumors. At least people would actually agree to sleep with the Bush girls which is more than you can probably say.
Get ready folks – the Supreme Court is the last bastion of liberalism and the GOP will grab it from your bloody hands any day now!!! Hope Stevens holds on – he looks very old.
July 18th, 2005 at 11:08 amI would never think of taking away your right to have an abortion Dilemma. Just be careful, your uterus has got to be in pretty poor shape by now. How many more do you think you can handle? Be careful while your at the clinic, there are folks out there who bomb places like that.
July 18th, 2005 at 11:30 amSusan – yeah sure. Afraid that talking point is pretty out-dated like most of your arguments.
July 18th, 2005 at 11:32 amIt’s over, pal. Deal with it.
July 18th, 2005 at 11:35 amYour abortions are a talking point? Oh, I didn’t know. Do you wear the t-shirt?
July 18th, 2005 at 11:36 amSusan – if only you had been aborted, we could feed starving, third world countries.
Since you are not interested in a real debate….
July 18th, 2005 at 11:46 amSusan – if only you had been aborted, we could feed starving, third world countries.
Since you are not interested in a real debate….
Comment by The Northeast Dilemma  July 18, 2005 @ 11:46 am
If only you had been aborted. Sigh.
July 18th, 2005 at 12:02 pmYeah, if I had been aborted you’d be allowed to keep your head buried in the sand. Too bad, huh?..Isn’t it hard to breath down there?
July 18th, 2005 at 12:04 pmN – thankfully, my mother loved me and is pro-life. Pro-abortion forces have been killing what could be their best political allies in life: their children.
July 18th, 2005 at 12:45 pmToo bad yo daddy ran out though, huh. Maybe you would have been able to afford more than a third grade education.
July 18th, 2005 at 9:48 pmTo the Editors of the Journal and you other Anti’s:
Can you then tell us why you stand for abstinence only wich basically gives false and mis-leading education?
Can you tell us why you’re basically against birth control that will reduce abortion?
Can you tell us your age when you first got laid? Were you married? Did you wear a condom? Did you “save” yorself for your spouse?
Can you tell us why this is a men’s issue anyway?
Can you tell us why you even care?
I can’t stand the paternal bullshit – keep out of women’s issues.
July 21st, 2005 at 9:56 am[...] Interior Secretary Gale Norton announced her resignation today. She was the first woman to hold the position. Norton’s tenure was hardly a smooth ride. She was frequently accused by environmental groups of putting corporate interests ahead of protecting the environment and perhaps most troubling of all, Norton received $50,000 from indicted GOP super lobbyist Jack Abramoff and Abramoff directed more than $500,000 to one of Norton’s former political aides, Italia Federici, to gain access to her department. [...]
March 17th, 2006 at 6:19 pm