Podesta on Meet the Press: White House Facing Credibility Deficit
Podesta on Meet the Press: White House Facing Credibility Deficit
John Podesta, President and CEO of the Center for American Progress and former Clinton chief of staff, this morning on Meet the Press:
Mr. Rove has created tremendous credibility problems for this White House, for this President, for this country on a matter of utmost national security: whether we can trust him to tell the truth about serious issues involving this war that has now claimed 1763 Americans. And I think that the one thing that is unassailable at the end of this week is that Mr. Rove did not tell the truth in 2003. And I think, given that, he’s hurting the President by staying there, and I think he has a duty to the President. And quite frankly, the President said he would fire leakers, not lawbreakers, and I think if he’s a man of his word, he’ll take that seriously.
For a video clip of the show, see Crooks & Liars.
Check back here later for a full transcript.
UPDATE: Here’s the transcript.
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“Just say ‘Yes.’, Ken.” They could be certain indictments are imminent. Say “Goodnight, Ken.”
July 17th, 2005 at 2:10 pmRove said the subject of his conversations with Cooper would be “declassified soon�. Sound like Cooper and Rove are one in the same, and probably why Cooper squealed.
Rep. Roy Blunt seems equally apathetic by saying the CIA thinks too highly of Plame’s secrecy. Unbelievable.
Rep. King, Peter (R-NY-3rd)
July 17th, 2005 at 2:15 pmSen. Hutchison, Kay Bailey (R-TX)
Sen. Cornyn, John (R-TX)
Sen. Coleman, Norm (R-MN
Rep. Blunt, Roy (R-MO-7th
Treasonous bastards one and all. Traitors, and they are in the delicious position of having to defend treason.
July 17th, 2005 at 2:25 pmI need to correct: Rove said the TOPIC of his conversations with Copper would “soon be declassified”.
July 17th, 2005 at 2:28 pmIt’s the uniform stupid. This administration won’t acknowledge the legitimacy of anyone involved in the “War On Terror” unless they are wearing the appropriate uniform, even if they are on our side.
July 17th, 2005 at 2:29 pmHe also said, “I’ve already said too much.”
July 17th, 2005 at 2:30 pmBless You Mr. Podesta.
Mr. Mehlman, you should be ashamed of yourself.
July 17th, 2005 at 2:31 pmYes, Yes, Ken, tomorrow is going to be ugly. Probably ugly for Cooper, also. I still cannot believe Cooper actually verbalized these things to Russert. Cooper knew it was classified, yet still wrote. Is this not how you heard it?
July 17th, 2005 at 2:34 pm“Podesta on Meet the Press: White House Facing Credibility Deficit”??
July 17th, 2005 at 2:40 pmOnly since day one of the current administration…
although I think Cooper’s argument was that he wrote the information only after Novak outed it. The real issue is that Rove knew it was classified.
July 17th, 2005 at 2:42 pmAgree with Ted.
July 17th, 2005 at 2:51 pmI read it. I will catch it again tonite, to “see and hear”.
July 17th, 2005 at 3:09 pmHow many of you folks lived thru Watergate? Just curious.
July 17th, 2005 at 3:10 pmCorrection Ted: The real issue is Plame. And Cooper, like Rove, should be held to the same standard of “When in doubt, leave it out”.
July 17th, 2005 at 3:16 pmMy father tells me this is worse than Nixon.
July 17th, 2005 at 3:18 pmKen Mehlman looks like he has some horse somewhere in his family stump.
July 17th, 2005 at 3:44 pmPass it on. Shhhh…..
Karl Rove: the plot thickens.
July 17th, 2005 at 3:44 pmSomeone needs to write an article or author a movie or play-wher bush and his congress and advisors are all democrats-and so is rove—now would ken mehlman be saying the same thing? let’s say this was the clinton administration…what would the republicans be doing to clinton now? make me a scenario? i hope someone goes back gets the talking heads and the morning shows and the rants of the right about clinton–and shows them to the public and then shows how the republicans are acting 100% different when it is one of them on the hot seat. I am wishing for this really hard.
July 17th, 2005 at 4:17 pmMr. Podesta was so good on the program, and Mr. Mehlman was so… not. Excellent job, and congratulations.
July 17th, 2005 at 4:30 pmDon’t you worry, Karin.
July 17th, 2005 at 4:44 pmBob Schieffer just about jumped out of his skin when ROY BLUNT said the CIA was taking Plame too seriously. The talking heads are listening.
Let’s say we give ole ROY BLUNT a call and let him know about personal responsibility. Forget Mehlman.
Rep. King, Peter (R-NY-3rd)
July 17th, 2005 at 4:50 pmSen. Hutchison, Kay Bailey (R-TX)
Sen. Cornyn, John (R-TX)
Sen. Coleman, Norm (R-MN
Rep. Blunt, Roy (R-MO-7th
Don’t want to insult anyone’s intelligence-but you can email members of congress from Congress.org.
July 17th, 2005 at 5:05 pmKarl Rove walks. He didn’t break any law. End of story.
July 17th, 2005 at 5:07 pmDid you notice how tired Ken looks compared to his past outings? I am sure he hasn’t had a sound night’s sleep in about a week. And you know they plastered him with pancake makeup in a vain attempt to make him look good. He is scared shitless and he knows that something big is about to go down. My question is this: If Rove et al are so innocent in all of this why do they all look so worried and scared?
July 17th, 2005 at 5:15 pmKarl Rove walks. He didn’t break any law. End of story.
Comment by susan  July 17, 2005 @ 5:07 pm
Thank you, your Honor.
July 17th, 2005 at 5:29 pmGet the latest articles and documents on Plamegate at the Karl Rove Scandal Document Library.
July 17th, 2005 at 5:32 pmIt is apparent that a number of the readers and other Republicans are having some difficulty in admitting culpability in Rovegate. I have found a word association game that may lend some light to the true culprits:
G. DUHbya Bush —Richard M. Nixon
Dick Cheney— Spiro Agnew
Karl Rove —H. R. Halderman
Condo Rice— John Erlichman
Al Gonzales–Your Choice John Dean
Don Rumsfeld—G. Gordon Liddy
Hilary Clinton* —Gerald Ford
* My apologies to Hilary as I doubt she will pardon DUHbya)
(and to those of you that saw it the first time on one of my earlier postings.
When doing this little exercise one should remember the look, quack, waddle and other peculiar features of the proverbial duck in terms of “if it: it must be� while keeping in mind RMN’s most famous utterance “I am not a crook!�
July 17th, 2005 at 5:39 pmPlease delete “your choice” from in front of “John Dean.”
Mea culpa.
July 17th, 2005 at 5:44 pmDon,
Or as Mr. Mann used the Nixon quote in his report to Mr. Tomlinson of the CPB,”I am not a cook”!
July 17th, 2005 at 5:45 pmED, Steed, Northeast, fake, and karla,
I’d like to let you know that I am compiling a cookbook of tasty ideas for preparing all the crow you will have to eat when this is done. More details later.
July 17th, 2005 at 6:20 pmI believe chicken george bush has proven time and again that he is not a man of his word.
July 17th, 2005 at 6:46 pmI was a young teenager during Watergate, I remember most of it. This is better.
July 17th, 2005 at 6:49 pmGod I hope he goes down and takes others with him. But never forget, and in any case, keep plugging the connection…. Rove, Cheney…..WMD,WMD …. DSM, DSM… Treason, Treason.
July 17th, 2005 at 6:49 pmImpeach Bush.
Try him for treason.
hang him.
Skid,
Thanks! I admit I had to do my homework on Tomlinson/Mann. I am sure the report reported scars on DUHbya’s palms and feet as well! I suspect DUHbya’s scars will be less obvious than that when all the issues are finally put to rest in that place where the sun don’t shine. I plan on doing my share of the pushing.
July 17th, 2005 at 7:27 pmLittle Billy Rehnquist…
Inside each of us the little boy or girl still hides. We may even dress up in private–put on a soldier suit or a silly hat and sneak a peek in the mirror. If we have been careful in our choice of profession, we are even allowed to dress up in public. Look at RuPaul, say. Look at Oliver North testifying in his cool Marine threads. Or look at William Hubbs Rehnquist in his black robe with fat gold stripes so everybody will know he’s The Biggest Justice of Them All.
But underneath that robe hides the same little scamp, Billy Rehnquist, who used to run around the neighborhood terrorizing minority voters forty years ago.
Return with me now to those innocent days of yesteryear.
It is election day in November of 1962. We are in Phoenix, Arizona, where a young former Supreme Court clerk is doing his unlevel best to see that Barry Goldwater is elected president. The young man, William H. Rehnquist, Esq., has been director of “ballot security� operations for the local Republican Party since 1958. On this day he is the sole Republican official at a polling station in south Phoenix, which is overwhelmingly African-American, Hispanic, and Democratic.
On that same day in Phoenix another young lawyer, James J. Brosnahan, is sitting in the office of the United States Attorney in Phoenix. Mr. Brosnahan, a graduate of Harvard Law School, is an assistant U.S. attorney.
Complaints of voter harassment are pouring in from precincts in south Phoenix. Republican challengers are said to be breaking the federal law which makes it a crime to “intimidate, threaten, or coerce . . . for the purpose of interfering with the right to vote.�
Mr. Brosnahan is dispatched, along with an FBI agent, to investigate these charges of voter intimidation. Mr. Broshahan’s sworn testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee in 1986 follows:
“The complaints we received alleged in various forms that the Republican challengers were aggressively challenging many voters without having a basis for that challenge . . .
“Based on my interviews with others, polling officials, and my fellow assistant U.S. attorneys, it was my opinion in 1962 that the challenging effort was designed to reduce the number of black and Hispanic voters by confrontation and intimidation . . .
“When we arrived, the situation was tense. At that precinct I saw William Rehnquist, who was serving as the only Republican challenger (emphasis added). The FBI agent and I both showed our identifications to those concerned, including Mr. Rehnquist . . . The complaints did involve Mr. Rehnquist’s conduct. Our arrival and the showing of our identifications had a quieting effect on the situation and after interviewing several witnesses, we left. Criminal prosecution was declined as a matter of prosecutorial discretion . . .
“I have read the testimony and letter supplied by Justice Designate William Rehnquist to this committee in 1971 . . . He describes his role in the early 1960s as trying to arbitrate disputes at polling places. That is not what Mr. Rehnquist was doing when I saw him on Election Day in 1962.
“At page 491 of the 1971 Record in his letter, William Rehnquist stated: ‘In none of those years did I personally engage in challenging the qualifications of any voters.’ This does not comport with my recollection of the events I witnessed in 1962 when Mr. Rehnquist did serve as a challenger.�
Let’s be fair, though. After all, Little Billy Rehnquist has come a long, long way from those early days in Arizona. It is 2,300 miles from south Phoenix to Washington.
http://www.badattitudes.com/Rehnquist.html
July 17th, 2005 at 7:57 pmJust remember. In 2002 a DEA agent was prosecuted and convicted for leaking the name of a person in a laundering investigation. He was mad because a UK person was not being investigated so he leaked it to the London Times. That UK person was a key player in the Britan Conservative Party and in our own Republican Party. This was a pivotal case for the Bush administration and dealing with leakers. The DEA agent copped a plea and only did 1 year in prison, but was facing 580 years. This was a case under a different law than the one everyone is talking about in relation to Plame, but the same law can also be used against them. Perhaps that is where Fitzgerald is going!!
July 17th, 2005 at 8:20 pmhttp://thinkprogress.org/ 2005/ 07/ 17/ podesta-on-mtp/ trackback/
1.
“Just say ‘Yes.’, Ken.� They could be certain indictments are imminent. Say “Goodnight, Ken.�
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 2:10 pm
2.
Rove said the subject of his conversations with Cooper would be “declassified soon�. Sound like Cooper and Rove are one in the same, and probably why Cooper squealed.
Rep. Roy Blunt seems equally apathetic by saying the CIA thinks too highly of Plame’s secrecy. Unbelievable.
Rep. King, Peter (R-NY-3rd)
Sen. Hutchison, Kay Bailey (R-TX)
Sen. Cornyn, John (R-TX)
Sen. Coleman, Norm (R-MN
Rep. Blunt, Roy (R-MO-7th
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:15 pm
3.
Treasonous bastards one and all. Traitors, and they are in the delicious position of having to defend treason.
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 2:25 pm
4.
I need to correct: Rove said the TOPIC of his conversations with Copper would “soon be declassified�.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:28 pm
5.
It’s the uniform stupid. This administration won’t acknowledge the legitimacy of anyone involved in the “War On Terror� unless they are wearing the appropriate uniform, even if they are on our side.
Comment by Adjectiveman  July 17, 2005 @ 2:29 pm
6.
He also said, “I’ve already said too much.�
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 2:30 pm
7.
Bless You Mr. Podesta.
Mr. Mehlman, you should be ashamed of yourself.
Comment by Jeff  July 17, 2005 @ 2:31 pm
8.
Yes, Yes, Ken, tomorrow is going to be ugly. Probably ugly for Cooper, also. I still cannot believe Cooper actually verbalized these things to Russert. Cooper knew it was classified, yet still wrote. Is this not how you heard it?
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:34 pm
9.
“Podesta on Meet the Press: White House Facing Credibility Deficit�??
Only since day one of the current administration…
Comment by S.D.  July 17, 2005 @ 2:40 pm
10.
although I think Cooper’s argument was that he wrote the information only after Novak outed it. The real issue is that Rove knew it was classified.
Comment by Ted  July 17, 2005 @ 2:42 pm
11.
Agree with Ted.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:51 pm
12.
I read it. I will catch it again tonite, to “see and hear�.
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 3:09 pm
13.
How many of you folks lived thru Watergate? Just curious.
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 3:10 pm
14.
Correction Ted: The real issue is Plame. And Cooper, like Rove, should be held to the same standard of “When in doubt, leave it out�.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 3:16 pm
15.
My father tells me this is worse than Nixon.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 3:18 pm
16.
Ken Mehlman looks like he has some horse somewhere in his family stump.
Pass it on. Shhhh…..
Comment by The Horse Whisper Campaigner  July 17, 2005 @ 3:44 pm
17.
Karl Rove: the plot thickens.
Comment by Jon  July 17, 2005 @ 3:44 pm
18.
Someone needs to write an article or author a movie or play-wher bush and his congress and advisors are all democrats-and so is roveâ€â€now would ken mehlman be saying the same thing? let’s say this was the clinton administration…what would the republicans be doing to clinton now? make me a scenario? i hope someone goes back gets the talking heads and the morning shows and the rants of the right about clinton–and shows them to the public and then shows how the republicans are acting 100% different when it is one of them on the hot seat. I am wishing for this really hard.
Comment by karin  July 17, 2005 @ 4:17 pm
19.
Mr. Podesta was so good on the program, and Mr. Mehlman was so… not. Excellent job, and congratulations.
Comment by Peteykins  July 17, 2005 @ 4:30 pm
20.
Don’t you worry, Karin.
Bob Schieffer just about jumped out of his skin when ROY BLUNT said the CIA was taking Plame too seriously. The talking heads are listening.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 4:44 pm
21.
Let’s say we give ole ROY BLUNT a call and let him know about personal responsibility. Forget Mehlman.
Rep. King, Peter (R-NY-3rd)
Sen. Hutchison, Kay Bailey (R-TX)
Sen. Cornyn, John (R-TX)
Sen. Coleman, Norm (R-MN
Rep. Blunt, Roy (R-MO-7th
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 4:50 pm
22.
Don’t want to insult anyone’s intelligence-but you can email members of congress from Congress.org.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 5:05 pm
23.
Karl Rove walks. He didn’t break any law. End of story.
Comment by susan  July 17, 2005 @ 5:07 pm
24.
Did you notice how tired Ken looks compared to his past outings? I am sure he hasn’t had a sound night’s sleep in about a week. And you know they plastered him with pancake makeup in a vain attempt to make him look good. He is scared shitless and he knows that something big is about to go down. My question is this: If Rove et al are so innocent in all of this why do they all look so worried and scared?
Comment by sneakerchad  July 17, 2005 @ 5:15 pm
25.
Karl Rove walks. He didn’t break any law. End of story.
Comment by susan  July 17, 2005 @ 5:07 pm
Thank you, your Honor.
Comment by Say yes Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 5:29 pm
26.
Get the latest articles and documents on Plamegate at the Karl Rove Scandal Document Library.
Comment by Jon  July 17, 2005 @ 5:32 pm
27.
It is apparent that a number of the readers and other Republicans are having some difficulty in admitting culpability in Rovegate. I have found a word association game that may lend some light to the true culprits:
G. DUHbya Bush â€â€Richard M. Nixon
Dick Cheney Spiro Agnew
Karl Rove â€â€H. R. Halderman
Condo Rice John Erlichman
Al Gonzales–Your Choice John Dean
Don Rumsfeldâ€â€G. Gordon Liddy
Hilary Clinton* â€â€Gerald Ford
* My apologies to Hilary as I doubt she will pardon DUHbya)
(and to those of you that saw it the first time on one of my earlier postings.
When doing this little exercise one should remember the look, quack, waddle and other peculiar features of the proverbial duck in terms of “if it: it must be� while keeping in mind RMN’s most famous utterance “I am not a crook!�
Comment by Don Davis  July 17, 2005 @ 5:39 pm
28.
Please delete “your choice� from in front of “John Dean.�
Mea culpa.
Comment by Don Davis  July 17, 2005 @ 5:44 pm
29.
Don,
Or as Mr. Mann used the Nixon quote in his report to Mr. Tomlinson of the CPB,�I am not a cook�!
Comment by Skid  July 17, 2005 @ 5:45 pm
30.
ED, Steed, Northeast, fake, and karla,
I’d like to let you know that I am compiling a cookbook of tasty ideas for preparing all the crow you will have to eat when this is done. More details later.
Comment by Skid  July 17, 2005 @ 6:20 pm
31.
I believe chicken george bush has proven time and again that he is not a man of his word.
Comment by merlallen  July 17, 2005 @ 6:46 pm
32.
I was a young teenager during Watergate, I remember most of it. This is better.
Comment by merlallen  July 17, 2005 @ 6:49 pm
33.
God I hope he goes down and takes others with him. But never forget, and in any case, keep plugging the connection…. Rove, Cheney…..WMD,WMD …. DSM, DSM… Treason, Treason.
Impeach Bush.
Try him for treason.
hang him.
Comment by Richard Duff  July 17, 2005 @ 6:49 pm
34.
Skid,
Thanks! I admit I had to do my homework on Tomlinson/Mann. I am sure the report reported scars on DUHbya’s palms and feet as well! I suspect DUHbya’s scars will be less obvious than that when all the issues are finally put to rest in that place where the sun don’t shine. I plan on doing my share of the pushing.
Comment by Don Davis  July 17, 2005 @ 7:27 pm
35.
Little Billy Rehnquist…
Inside each of us the little boy or girl still hides. We may even dress up in private–put on a soldier suit or a silly hat and sneak a peek in the mirror. If we have been careful in our choice of profession, we are even allowed to dress up in public. Look at RuPaul, say. Look at Oliver North testifying in his cool Marine threads. Or look at William Hubbs Rehnquist in his black robe with fat gold stripes so everybody will know he’s The Biggest Justice of Them All.
But underneath that robe hides the same little scamp, Billy Rehnquist, who used to run around the neighborhood terrorizing minority voters forty years ago.
Return with me now to those innocent days of yesteryear.
It is election day in November of 1962. We are in Phoenix, Arizona, where a young former Supreme Court clerk is doing his unlevel best to see that Barry Goldwater is elected president. The young man, William H. Rehnquist, Esq., has been director of “ballot security� operations for the local Republican Party since 1958. On this day he is the sole Republican official at a polling station in south Phoenix, which is overwhelmingly African-American, Hispanic, and Democratic.
On that same day in Phoenix another young lawyer, James J. Brosnahan, is sitting in the office of the United States Attorney in Phoenix. Mr. Brosnahan, a graduate of Harvard Law School, is an assistant U.S. attorney.
Complaints of voter harassment are pouring in from precincts in south Phoenix. Republican challengers are said to be breaking the federal law which makes it a crime to “intimidate, threaten, or coerce . . . for the purpose of interfering with the right to vote.�
Mr. Brosnahan is dispatched, along with an FBI agent, to investigate these charges of voter intimidation. Mr. Broshahan’s sworn testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee in 1986 follows:
“The complaints we received alleged in various forms that the Republican challengers were aggressively challenging many voters without having a basis for that challenge . . .
“Based on my interviews with others, polling officials, and my fellow assistant U.S. attorneys, it was my opinion in 1962 that the challenging effort was designed to reduce the number of black and Hispanic voters by confrontation and intimidation . . .
“When we arrived, the situation was tense. At that precinct I saw William Rehnquist, who was serving as the only Republican challenger (emphasis added). The FBI agent and I both showed our identifications to those concerned, including Mr. Rehnquist . . . The complaints did involve Mr. Rehnquist’s conduct. Our arrival and the showing of our identifications had a quieting effect on the situation and after interviewing several witnesses, we left. Criminal prosecution was declined as a matter of prosecutorial discretion . . .
“I have read the testimony and letter supplied by Justice Designate William Rehnquist to this committee in 1971 . . . He describes his role in the early 1960s as trying to arbitrate disputes at polling places. That is not what Mr. Rehnquist was doing when I saw him on Election Day in 1962.
“At page 491 of the 1971 Record in his letter, William Rehnquist stated: ‘In none of those years did I personally engage in challenging the qualifications of any voters.’ This does not comport with my recollection of the events I witnessed in 1962 when Mr. Rehnquist did serve as a challenger.�
Let’s be fair, though. After all, Little Billy Rehnquist has come a long, long way from those early days in Arizona. It is 2,300 miles from south Phoenix to Washington.
http://www.badattitudes.com/Rehnquist.html
Comment by Say Yes Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 7:57 pm
36.
Just remember. In 2002 a DEA agent was prosecuted and convicted for leaking the name of a person in a laundering investigation. He was mad because a UK person was not being investigated so he leaked it to the London Times. That UK person was a key player in the Britan Conservative Party and in our own Republican Party. This was a pivotal case for the Bush administration and dealing with leakers. The DEA agent copped a plea and only did 1 year in prison, but was facing 580 years. This was a case under a different law than the one everyone is talking about in relation to Plame, but the same law can also be used against them. Perhaps that is where Fitzgerald is going!!
Comment by jamie  July 17, 2005 @ 8:20 pm
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2005/ 07/ 17/ podesta-on-mtp/ trackback/
1.
“Just say ‘Yes.’, Ken.� They could be certain indictments are imminent. Say “Goodnight, Ken.�
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 2:10 pm
2.
Rove said the subject of his conversations with Cooper would be “declassified soon�. Sound like Cooper and Rove are one in the same, and probably why Cooper squealed.
Rep. Roy Blunt seems equally apathetic by saying the CIA thinks too highly of Plame’s secrecy. Unbelievable.
Rep. King, Peter (R-NY-3rd)
Sen. Hutchison, Kay Bailey (R-TX)
Sen. Cornyn, John (R-TX)
Sen. Coleman, Norm (R-MN
Rep. Blunt, Roy (R-MO-7th
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:15 pm
3.
Treasonous bastards one and all. Traitors, and they are in the delicious position of having to defend treason.
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 2:25 pm
4.
I need to correct: Rove said the TOPIC of his conversations with Copper would “soon be declassified�.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:28 pm
5.
It’s the uniform stupid. This administration won’t acknowledge the legitimacy of anyone involved in the “War On Terror� unless they are wearing the appropriate uniform, even if they are on our side.
Comment by Adjectiveman  July 17, 2005 @ 2:29 pm
6.
He also said, “I’ve already said too much.�
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 2:30 pm
7.
Bless You Mr. Podesta.
Mr. Mehlman, you should be ashamed of yourself.
Comment by Jeff  July 17, 2005 @ 2:31 pm
8.
Yes, Yes, Ken, tomorrow is going to be ugly. Probably ugly for Cooper, also. I still cannot believe Cooper actually verbalized these things to Russert. Cooper knew it was classified, yet still wrote. Is this not how you heard it?
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:34 pm
9.
“Podesta on Meet the Press: White House Facing Credibility Deficit�??
Only since day one of the current administration…
Comment by S.D.  July 17, 2005 @ 2:40 pm
10.
although I think Cooper’s argument was that he wrote the information only after Novak outed it. The real issue is that Rove knew it was classified.
Comment by Ted  July 17, 2005 @ 2:42 pm
11.
Agree with Ted.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:51 pm
12.
I read it. I will catch it again tonite, to “see and hear�.
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 3:09 pm
13.
How many of you folks lived thru Watergate? Just curious.
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 3:10 pm
14.
Correction Ted: The real issue is Plame. And Cooper, like Rove, should be held to the same standard of “When in doubt, leave it out�.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 3:16 pm
15.
My father tells me this is worse than Nixon.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 3:18 pm
16.
Ken Mehlman looks like he has some horse somewhere in his family stump.
Pass it on. Shhhh…..
Comment by The Horse Whisper Campaigner  July 17, 2005 @ 3:44 pm
17.
Karl Rove: the plot thickens.
Comment by Jon  July 17, 2005 @ 3:44 pm
18.
Someone needs to write an article or author a movie or play-wher bush and his congress and advisors are all democrats-and so is roveâ€â€now would ken mehlman be saying the same thing? let’s say this was the clinton administration…what would the republicans be doing to clinton now? make me a scenario? i hope someone goes back gets the talking heads and the morning shows and the rants of the right about clinton–and shows them to the public and then shows how the republicans are acting 100% different when it is one of them on the hot seat. I am wishing for this really hard.
Comment by karin  July 17, 2005 @ 4:17 pm
19.
Mr. Podesta was so good on the program, and Mr. Mehlman was so… not. Excellent job, and congratulations.
Comment by Peteykins  July 17, 2005 @ 4:30 pm
20.
Don’t you worry, Karin.
Bob Schieffer just about jumped out of his skin when ROY BLUNT said the CIA was taking Plame too seriously. The talking heads are listening.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 4:44 pm
21.
Let’s say we give ole ROY BLUNT a call and let him know about personal responsibility. Forget Mehlman.
Rep. King, Peter (R-NY-3rd)
Sen. Hutchison, Kay Bailey (R-TX)
Sen. Cornyn, John (R-TX)
Sen. Coleman, Norm (R-MN
Rep. Blunt, Roy (R-MO-7th
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 4:50 pm
22.
Don’t want to insult anyone’s intelligence-but you can email members of congress from Congress.org.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 5:05 pm
23.
Karl Rove walks. He didn’t break any law. End of story.
Comment by susan  July 17, 2005 @ 5:07 pm
24.
Did you notice how tired Ken looks compared to his past outings? I am sure he hasn’t had a sound night’s sleep in about a week. And you know they plastered him with pancake makeup in a vain attempt to make him look good. He is scared shitless and he knows that something big is about to go down. My question is this: If Rove et al are so innocent in all of this why do they all look so worried and scared?
Comment by sneakerchad  July 17, 2005 @ 5:15 pm
25.
Karl Rove walks. He didn’t break any law. End of story.
Comment by susan  July 17, 2005 @ 5:07 pm
Thank you, your Honor.
Comment by Say yes Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 5:29 pm
26.
Get the latest articles and documents on Plamegate at the Karl Rove Scandal Document Library.
Comment by Jon  July 17, 2005 @ 5:32 pm
27.
It is apparent that a number of the readers and other Republicans are having some difficulty in admitting culpability in Rovegate. I have found a word association game that may lend some light to the true culprits:
G. DUHbya Bush â€â€Richard M. Nixon
Dick Cheney Spiro Agnew
Karl Rove â€â€H. R. Halderman
Condo Rice John Erlichman
Al Gonzales–Your Choice John Dean
Don Rumsfeldâ€â€G. Gordon Liddy
Hilary Clinton* â€â€Gerald Ford
* My apologies to Hilary as I doubt she will pardon DUHbya)
(and to those of you that saw it the first time on one of my earlier postings.
When doing this little exercise one should remember the look, quack, waddle and other peculiar features of the proverbial duck in terms of “if it: it must be� while keeping in mind RMN’s most famous utterance “I am not a crook!�
Comment by Don Davis  July 17, 2005 @ 5:39 pm
28.
Please delete “your choice� from in front of “John Dean.�
Mea culpa.
Comment by Don Davis  July 17, 2005 @ 5:44 pm
29.
Don,
Or as Mr. Mann used the Nixon quote in his report to Mr. Tomlinson of the CPB,�I am not a cook�!
Comment by Skid  July 17, 2005 @ 5:45 pm
30.
ED, Steed, Northeast, fake, and karla,
I’d like to let you know that I am compiling a cookbook of tasty ideas for preparing all the crow you will have to eat when this is done. More details later.
Comment by Skid  July 17, 2005 @ 6:20 pm
31.
I believe chicken george bush has proven time and again that he is not a man of his word.
Comment by merlallen  July 17, 2005 @ 6:46 pm
32.
I was a young teenager during Watergate, I remember most of it. This is better.
Comment by merlallen  July 17, 2005 @ 6:49 pm
33.
God I hope he goes down and takes others with him. But never forget, and in any case, keep plugging the connection…. Rove, Cheney…..WMD,WMD …. DSM, DSM… Treason, Treason.
Impeach Bush.
Try him for treason.
hang him.
Comment by Richard Duff  July 17, 2005 @ 6:49 pm
34.
Skid,
Thanks! I admit I had to do my homework on Tomlinson/Mann. I am sure the report reported scars on DUHbya’s palms and feet as well! I suspect DUHbya’s scars will be less obvious than that when all the issues are finally put to rest in that place where the sun don’t shine. I plan on doing my share of the pushing.
Comment by Don Davis  July 17, 2005 @ 7:27 pm
35.
Little Billy Rehnquist…
Inside each of us the little boy or girl still hides. We may even dress up in private–put on a soldier suit or a silly hat and sneak a peek in the mirror. If we have been careful in our choice of profession, we are even allowed to dress up in public. Look at RuPaul, say. Look at Oliver North testifying in his cool Marine threads. Or look at William Hubbs Rehnquist in his black robe with fat gold stripes so everybody will know he’s The Biggest Justice of Them All.
But underneath that robe hides the same little scamp, Billy Rehnquist, who used to run around the neighborhood terrorizing minority voters forty years ago.
Return with me now to those innocent days of yesteryear.
It is election day in November of 1962. We are in Phoenix, Arizona, where a young former Supreme Court clerk is doing his unlevel best to see that Barry Goldwater is elected president. The young man, William H. Rehnquist, Esq., has been director of “ballot security� operations for the local Republican Party since 1958. On this day he is the sole Republican official at a polling station in south Phoenix, which is overwhelmingly African-American, Hispanic, and Democratic.
On that same day in Phoenix another young lawyer, James J. Brosnahan, is sitting in the office of the United States Attorney in Phoenix. Mr. Brosnahan, a graduate of Harvard Law School, is an assistant U.S. attorney.
Complaints of voter harassment are pouring in from precincts in south Phoenix. Republican challengers are said to be breaking the federal law which makes it a crime to “intimidate, threaten, or coerce . . . for the purpose of interfering with the right to vote.�
Mr. Brosnahan is dispatched, along with an FBI agent, to investigate these charges of voter intimidation. Mr. Broshahan’s sworn testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee in 1986 follows:
“The complaints we received alleged in various forms that the Republican challengers were aggressively challenging many voters without having a basis for that challenge . . .
“Based on my interviews with others, polling officials, and my fellow assistant U.S. attorneys, it was my opinion in 1962 that the challenging effort was designed to reduce the number of black and Hispanic voters by confrontation and intimidation . . .
“When we arrived, the situation was tense. At that precinct I saw William Rehnquist, who was serving as the only Republican challenger (emphasis added). The FBI agent and I both showed our identifications to those concerned, including Mr. Rehnquist . . . The complaints did involve Mr. Rehnquist’s conduct. Our arrival and the showing of our identifications had a quieting effect on the situation and after interviewing several witnesses, we left. Criminal prosecution was declined as a matter of prosecutorial discretion . . .
“I have read the testimony and letter supplied by Justice Designate William Rehnquist to this committee in 1971 . . . He describes his role in the early 1960s as trying to arbitrate disputes at polling places. That is not what Mr. Rehnquist was doing when I saw him on Election Day in 1962.
“At page 491 of the 1971 Record in his letter, William Rehnquist stated: ‘In none of those years did I personally engage in challenging the qualifications of any voters.’ This does not comport with my recollection of the events I witnessed in 1962 when Mr. Rehnquist did serve as a challenger.�
Let’s be fair, though. After all, Little Billy Rehnquist has come a long, long way from those early days in Arizona. It is 2,300 miles from south Phoenix to Washington.
http://www.badattitudes.com/Rehnquist.html
Comment by Say Yes Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 7:57 pm
36.
Just remember. In 2002 a DEA agent was prosecuted and convicted for leaking the name of a person in a laundering investigation. He was mad because a UK person was not being investigated so he leaked it to the London Times. That UK person was a key player in the Britan Conservative Party and in our own Republican Party. This was a pivotal case for the Bush administration and dealing with leakers. The DEA agent copped a plea and only did 1 year in prison, but was facing 580 years. This was a case under a different law than the one everyone is talking about in relation to Plame, but the same law can also be used against them. Perhaps that is where Fitzgerald is going!!
Comment by jamie  July 17, 2005 @ 8:20 pm
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2005/ 07/ 17/ podesta-on-mtp/ trackback/
1.
“Just say ‘Yes.’, Ken.� They could be certain indictments are imminent. Say “Goodnight, Ken.�
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 2:10 pm
2.
Rove said the subject of his conversations with Cooper would be “declassified soon�. Sound like Cooper and Rove are one in the same, and probably why Cooper squealed.
Rep. Roy Blunt seems equally apathetic by saying the CIA thinks too highly of Plame’s secrecy. Unbelievable.
Rep. King, Peter (R-NY-3rd)
Sen. Hutchison, Kay Bailey (R-TX)
Sen. Cornyn, John (R-TX)
Sen. Coleman, Norm (R-MN
Rep. Blunt, Roy (R-MO-7th
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:15 pm
3.
Treasonous bastards one and all. Traitors, and they are in the delicious position of having to defend treason.
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 2:25 pm
4.
I need to correct: Rove said the TOPIC of his conversations with Copper would “soon be declassified�.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:28 pm
5.
It’s the uniform stupid. This administration won’t acknowledge the legitimacy of anyone involved in the “War On Terror� unless they are wearing the appropriate uniform, even if they are on our side.
Comment by Adjectiveman  July 17, 2005 @ 2:29 pm
6.
He also said, “I’ve already said too much.�
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 2:30 pm
7.
Bless You Mr. Podesta.
Mr. Mehlman, you should be ashamed of yourself.
Comment by Jeff  July 17, 2005 @ 2:31 pm
8.
Yes, Yes, Ken, tomorrow is going to be ugly. Probably ugly for Cooper, also. I still cannot believe Cooper actually verbalized these things to Russert. Cooper knew it was classified, yet still wrote. Is this not how you heard it?
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:34 pm
9.
“Podesta on Meet the Press: White House Facing Credibility Deficit�??
Only since day one of the current administration…
Comment by S.D.  July 17, 2005 @ 2:40 pm
10.
although I think Cooper’s argument was that he wrote the information only after Novak outed it. The real issue is that Rove knew it was classified.
Comment by Ted  July 17, 2005 @ 2:42 pm
11.
Agree with Ted.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:51 pm
12.
I read it. I will catch it again tonite, to “see and hear�.
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 3:09 pm
13.
How many of you folks lived thru Watergate? Just curious.
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 3:10 pm
14.
Correction Ted: The real issue is Plame. And Cooper, like Rove, should be held to the same standard of “When in doubt, leave it out�.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 3:16 pm
15.
My father tells me this is worse than Nixon.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 3:18 pm
16.
Ken Mehlman looks like he has some horse somewhere in his family stump.
Pass it on. Shhhh…..
Comment by The Horse Whisper Campaigner  July 17, 2005 @ 3:44 pm
17.
Karl Rove: the plot thickens.
Comment by Jon  July 17, 2005 @ 3:44 pm
18.
Someone needs to write an article or author a movie or play-wher bush and his congress and advisors are all democrats-and so is roveâ€â€now would ken mehlman be saying the same thing? let’s say this was the clinton administration…what would the republicans be doing to clinton now? make me a scenario? i hope someone goes back gets the talking heads and the morning shows and the rants of the right about clinton–and shows them to the public and then shows how the republicans are acting 100% different when it is one of them on the hot seat. I am wishing for this really hard.
Comment by karin  July 17, 2005 @ 4:17 pm
19.
Mr. Podesta was so good on the program, and Mr. Mehlman was so… not. Excellent job, and congratulations.
Comment by Peteykins  July 17, 2005 @ 4:30 pm
20.
Don’t you worry, Karin.
Bob Schieffer just about jumped out of his skin when ROY BLUNT said the CIA was taking Plame too seriously. The talking heads are listening.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 4:44 pm
21.
Let’s say we give ole ROY BLUNT a call and let him know about personal responsibility. Forget Mehlman.
Rep. King, Peter (R-NY-3rd)
Sen. Hutchison, Kay Bailey (R-TX)
Sen. Cornyn, John (R-TX)
Sen. Coleman, Norm (R-MN
Rep. Blunt, Roy (R-MO-7th
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 4:50 pm
22.
Don’t want to insult anyone’s intelligence-but you can email members of congress from Congress.org.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 5:05 pm
23.
Karl Rove walks. He didn’t break any law. End of story.
Comment by susan  July 17, 2005 @ 5:07 pm
24.
Did you notice how tired Ken looks compared to his past outings? I am sure he hasn’t had a sound night’s sleep in about a week. And you know they plastered him with pancake makeup in a vain attempt to make him look good. He is scared shitless and he knows that something big is about to go down. My question is this: If Rove et al are so innocent in all of this why do they all look so worried and scared?
Comment by sneakerchad  July 17, 2005 @ 5:15 pm
25.
Karl Rove walks. He didn’t break any law. End of story.
Comment by susan  July 17, 2005 @ 5:07 pm
Thank you, your Honor.
Comment by Say yes Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 5:29 pm
26.
Get the latest articles and documents on Plamegate at the Karl Rove Scandal Document Library.
Comment by Jon  July 17, 2005 @ 5:32 pm
27.
It is apparent that a number of the readers and other Republicans are having some difficulty in admitting culpability in Rovegate. I have found a word association game that may lend some light to the true culprits:
G. DUHbya Bush â€â€Richard M. Nixon
Dick Cheney Spiro Agnew
Karl Rove â€â€H. R. Halderman
Condo Rice John Erlichman
Al Gonzales–Your Choice John Dean
Don Rumsfeldâ€â€G. Gordon Liddy
Hilary Clinton* â€â€Gerald Ford
* My apologies to Hilary as I doubt she will pardon DUHbya)
(and to those of you that saw it the first time on one of my earlier postings.
When doing this little exercise one should remember the look, quack, waddle and other peculiar features of the proverbial duck in terms of “if it: it must be� while keeping in mind RMN’s most famous utterance “I am not a crook!�
Comment by Don Davis  July 17, 2005 @ 5:39 pm
28.
Please delete “your choice� from in front of “John Dean.�
Mea culpa.
Comment by Don Davis  July 17, 2005 @ 5:44 pm
29.
Don,
Or as Mr. Mann used the Nixon quote in his report to Mr. Tomlinson of the CPB,�I am not a cook�!
Comment by Skid  July 17, 2005 @ 5:45 pm
30.
ED, Steed, Northeast, fake, and karla,
I’d like to let you know that I am compiling a cookbook of tasty ideas for preparing all the crow you will have to eat when this is done. More details later.
Comment by Skid  July 17, 2005 @ 6:20 pm
31.
I believe chicken george bush has proven time and again that he is not a man of his word.
Comment by merlallen  July 17, 2005 @ 6:46 pm
32.
I was a young teenager during Watergate, I remember most of it. This is better.
Comment by merlallen  July 17, 2005 @ 6:49 pm
33.
God I hope he goes down and takes others with him. But never forget, and in any case, keep plugging the connection…. Rove, Cheney…..WMD,WMD …. DSM, DSM… Treason, Treason.
Impeach Bush.
Try him for treason.
hang him.
Comment by Richard Duff  July 17, 2005 @ 6:49 pm
34.
Skid,
Thanks! I admit I had to do my homework on Tomlinson/Mann. I am sure the report reported scars on DUHbya’s palms and feet as well! I suspect DUHbya’s scars will be less obvious than that when all the issues are finally put to rest in that place where the sun don’t shine. I plan on doing my share of the pushing.
Comment by Don Davis  July 17, 2005 @ 7:27 pm
35.
Little Billy Rehnquist…
Inside each of us the little boy or girl still hides. We may even dress up in private–put on a soldier suit or a silly hat and sneak a peek in the mirror. If we have been careful in our choice of profession, we are even allowed to dress up in public. Look at RuPaul, say. Look at Oliver North testifying in his cool Marine threads. Or look at William Hubbs Rehnquist in his black robe with fat gold stripes so everybody will know he’s The Biggest Justice of Them All.
But underneath that robe hides the same little scamp, Billy Rehnquist, who used to run around the neighborhood terrorizing minority voters forty years ago.
Return with me now to those innocent days of yesteryear.
It is election day in November of 1962. We are in Phoenix, Arizona, where a young former Supreme Court clerk is doing his unlevel best to see that Barry Goldwater is elected president. The young man, William H. Rehnquist, Esq., has been director of “ballot security� operations for the local Republican Party since 1958. On this day he is the sole Republican official at a polling station in south Phoenix, which is overwhelmingly African-American, Hispanic, and Democratic.
On that same day in Phoenix another young lawyer, James J. Brosnahan, is sitting in the office of the United States Attorney in Phoenix. Mr. Brosnahan, a graduate of Harvard Law School, is an assistant U.S. attorney.
Complaints of voter harassment are pouring in from precincts in south Phoenix. Republican challengers are said to be breaking the federal law which makes it a crime to “intimidate, threaten, or coerce . . . for the purpose of interfering with the right to vote.�
Mr. Brosnahan is dispatched, along with an FBI agent, to investigate these charges of voter intimidation. Mr. Broshahan’s sworn testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee in 1986 follows:
“The complaints we received alleged in various forms that the Republican challengers were aggressively challenging many voters without having a basis for that challenge . . .
“Based on my interviews with others, polling officials, and my fellow assistant U.S. attorneys, it was my opinion in 1962 that the challenging effort was designed to reduce the number of black and Hispanic voters by confrontation and intimidation . . .
“When we arrived, the situation was tense. At that precinct I saw William Rehnquist, who was serving as the only Republican challenger (emphasis added). The FBI agent and I both showed our identifications to those concerned, including Mr. Rehnquist . . . The complaints did involve Mr. Rehnquist’s conduct. Our arrival and the showing of our identifications had a quieting effect on the situation and after interviewing several witnesses, we left. Criminal prosecution was declined as a matter of prosecutorial discretion . . .
“I have read the testimony and letter supplied by Justice Designate William Rehnquist to this committee in 1971 . . . He describes his role in the early 1960s as trying to arbitrate disputes at polling places. That is not what Mr. Rehnquist was doing when I saw him on Election Day in 1962.
“At page 491 of the 1971 Record in his letter, William Rehnquist stated: ‘In none of those years did I personally engage in challenging the qualifications of any voters.’ This does not comport with my recollection of the events I witnessed in 1962 when Mr. Rehnquist did serve as a challenger.�
Let’s be fair, though. After all, Little Billy Rehnquist has come a long, long way from those early days in Arizona. It is 2,300 miles from south Phoenix to Washington.
http://www.badattitudes.com/Rehnquist.html
Comment by Say Yes Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 7:57 pm
36.
Just remember. In 2002 a DEA agent was prosecuted and convicted for leaking the name of a person in a laundering investigation. He was mad because a UK person was not being investigated so he leaked it to the London Times. That UK person was a key player in the Britan Conservative Party and in our own Republican Party. This was a pivotal case for the Bush administration and dealing with leakers. The DEA agent copped a plea and only did 1 year in prison, but was facing 580 years. This was a case under a different law than the one everyone is talking about in relation to Plame, but the same law can also be used against them. Perhaps that is where Fitzgerald is going!!
Comment by jamie  July 17, 2005 @ 8:20
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2005/ 07/ 17/ podesta-on-mtp/ trackback/
1.
“Just say ‘Yes.’, Ken.� They could be certain indictments are imminent. Say “Goodnight, Ken.�
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 2:10 pm
2.
Rove said the subject of his conversations with Cooper would be “declassified soon�. Sound like Cooper and Rove are one in the same, and probably why Cooper squealed.
Rep. Roy Blunt seems equally apathetic by saying the CIA thinks too highly of Plame’s secrecy. Unbelievable.
Rep. King, Peter (R-NY-3rd)
Sen. Hutchison, Kay Bailey (R-TX)
Sen. Cornyn, John (R-TX)
Sen. Coleman, Norm (R-MN
Rep. Blunt, Roy (R-MO-7th
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:15 pm
3.
Treasonous bastards one and all. Traitors, and they are in the delicious position of having to defend treason.
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 2:25 pm
4.
I need to correct: Rove said the TOPIC of his conversations with Copper would “soon be declassified�.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:28 pm
5.
It’s the uniform stupid. This administration won’t acknowledge the legitimacy of anyone involved in the “War On Terror� unless they are wearing the appropriate uniform, even if they are on our side.
Comment by Adjectiveman  July 17, 2005 @ 2:29 pm
6.
He also said, “I’ve already said too much.�
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 2:30 pm
7.
Bless You Mr. Podesta.
Mr. Mehlman, you should be ashamed of yourself.
Comment by Jeff  July 17, 2005 @ 2:31 pm
8.
Yes, Yes, Ken, tomorrow is going to be ugly. Probably ugly for Cooper, also. I still cannot believe Cooper actually verbalized these things to Russert. Cooper knew it was classified, yet still wrote. Is this not how you heard it?
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:34 pm
9.
“Podesta on Meet the Press: White House Facing Credibility Deficit�??
Only since day one of the current administration…
Comment by S.D.  July 17, 2005 @ 2:40 pm
10.
although I think Cooper’s argument was that he wrote the information only after Novak outed it. The real issue is that Rove knew it was classified.
Comment by Ted  July 17, 2005 @ 2:42 pm
11.
Agree with Ted.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:51 pm
12.
I read it. I will catch it again tonite, to “see and hear�.
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 3:09 pm
13.
How many of you folks lived thru Watergate? Just curious.
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 3:10 pm
14.
Correction Ted: The real issue is Plame. And Cooper, like Rove, should be held to the same standard of “When in doubt, leave it out�.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 3:16 pm
15.
My father tells me this is worse than Nixon.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 3:18 pm
16.
Ken Mehlman looks like he has some horse somewhere in his family stump.
Pass it on. Shhhh…..
Comment by The Horse Whisper Campaigner  July 17, 2005 @ 3:44 pm
17.
Karl Rove: the plot thickens.
Comment by Jon  July 17, 2005 @ 3:44 pm
18.
Someone needs to write an article or author a movie or play-wher bush and his congress and advisors are all democrats-and so is roveâ€â€now would ken mehlman be saying the same thing? let’s say this was the clinton administration…what would the republicans be doing to clinton now? make me a scenario? i hope someone goes back gets the talking heads and the morning shows and the rants of the right about clinton–and shows them to the public and then shows how the republicans are acting 100% different when it is one of them on the hot seat. I am wishing for this really hard.
Comment by karin  July 17, 2005 @ 4:17 pm
19.
Mr. Podesta was so good on the program, and Mr. Mehlman was so… not. Excellent job, and congratulations.
Comment by Peteykins  July 17, 2005 @ 4:30 pm
20.
Don’t you worry, Karin.
Bob Schieffer just about jumped out of his skin when ROY BLUNT said the CIA was taking Plame too seriously. The talking heads are listening.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 4:44 pm
21.
Let’s say we give ole ROY BLUNT a call and let him know about personal responsibility. Forget Mehlman.
Rep. King, Peter (R-NY-3rd)
Sen. Hutchison, Kay Bailey (R-TX)
Sen. Cornyn, John (R-TX)
Sen. Coleman, Norm (R-MN
Rep. Blunt, Roy (R-MO-7th
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 4:50 pm
22.
Don’t want to insult anyone’s intelligence-but you can email members of congress from Congress.org.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 5:05 pm
23.
Karl Rove walks. He didn’t break any law. End of story.
Comment by susan  July 17, 2005 @ 5:07 pm
24.
Did you notice how tired Ken looks compared to his past outings? I am sure he hasn’t had a sound night’s sleep in about a week. And you know they plastered him with pancake makeup in a vain attempt to make him look good. He is scared shitless and he knows that something big is about to go down. My question is this: If Rove et al are so innocent in all of this why do they all look so worried and scared?
Comment by sneakerchad  July 17, 2005 @ 5:15 pm
25.
Karl Rove walks. He didn’t break any law. End of story.
Comment by susan  July 17, 2005 @ 5:07 pm
Thank you, your Honor.
Comment by Say yes Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 5:29 pm
26.
Get the latest articles and documents on Plamegate at the Karl Rove Scandal Document Library.
Comment by Jon  July 17, 2005 @ 5:32 pm
27.
It is apparent that a number of the readers and other Republicans are having some difficulty in admitting culpability in Rovegate. I have found a word association game that may lend some light to the true culprits:
G. DUHbya Bush â€â€Richard M. Nixon
Dick Cheney Spiro Agnew
Karl Rove â€â€H. R. Halderman
Condo Rice John Erlichman
Al Gonzales–Your Choice John Dean
Don Rumsfeldâ€â€G. Gordon Liddy
Hilary Clinton* â€â€Gerald Ford
* My apologies to Hilary as I doubt she will pardon DUHbya)
(and to those of you that saw it the first time on one of my earlier postings.
When doing this little exercise one should remember the look, quack, waddle and other peculiar features of the proverbial duck in terms of “if it: it must be� while keeping in mind RMN’s most famous utterance “I am not a crook!�
Comment by Don Davis  July 17, 2005 @ 5:39 pm
28.
Please delete “your choice� from in front of “John Dean.�
Mea culpa.
Comment by Don Davis  July 17, 2005 @ 5:44 pm
29.
Don,
Or as Mr. Mann used the Nixon quote in his report to Mr. Tomlinson of the CPB,�I am not a cook�!
Comment by Skid  July 17, 2005 @ 5:45 pm
30.
ED, Steed, Northeast, fake, and karla,
I’d like to let you know that I am compiling a cookbook of tasty ideas for preparing all the crow you will have to eat when this is done. More details later.
Comment by Skid  July 17, 2005 @ 6:20 pm
31.
I believe chicken george bush has proven time and again that he is not a man of his word.
Comment by merlallen  July 17, 2005 @ 6:46 pm
32.
I was a young teenager during Watergate, I remember most of it. This is better.
Comment by merlallen  July 17, 2005 @ 6:49 pm
33.
God I hope he goes down and takes others with him. But never forget, and in any case, keep plugging the connection…. Rove, Cheney…..WMD,WMD …. DSM, DSM… Treason, Treason.
Impeach Bush.
Try him for treason.
hang him.
Comment by Richard Duff  July 17, 2005 @ 6:49 pm
34.
Skid,
Thanks! I admit I had to do my homework on Tomlinson/Mann. I am sure the report reported scars on DUHbya’s palms and feet as well! I suspect DUHbya’s scars will be less obvious than that when all the issues are finally put to rest in that place where the sun don’t shine. I plan on doing my share of the pushing.
Comment by Don Davis  July 17, 2005 @ 7:27 pm
35.
Little Billy Rehnquist…
Inside each of us the little boy or girl still hides. We may even dress up in private–put on a soldier suit or a silly hat and sneak a peek in the mirror. If we have been careful in our choice of profession, we are even allowed to dress up in public. Look at RuPaul, say. Look at Oliver North testifying in his cool Marine threads. Or look at William Hubbs Rehnquist in his black robe with fat gold stripes so everybody will know he’s The Biggest Justice of Them All.
But underneath that robe hides the same little scamp, Billy Rehnquist, who used to run around the neighborhood terrorizing minority voters forty years ago.
Return with me now to those innocent days of yesteryear.
It is election day in November of 1962. We are in Phoenix, Arizona, where a young former Supreme Court clerk is doing his unlevel best to see that Barry Goldwater is elected president. The young man, William H. Rehnquist, Esq., has been director of “ballot security� operations for the local Republican Party since 1958. On this day he is the sole Republican official at a polling station in south Phoenix, which is overwhelmingly African-American, Hispanic, and Democratic.
On that same day in Phoenix another young lawyer, James J. Brosnahan, is sitting in the office of the United States Attorney in Phoenix. Mr. Brosnahan, a graduate of Harvard Law School, is an assistant U.S. attorney.
Complaints of voter harassment are pouring in from precincts in south Phoenix. Republican challengers are said to be breaking the federal law which makes it a crime to “intimidate, threaten, or coerce . . . for the purpose of interfering with the right to vote.�
Mr. Brosnahan is dispatched, along with an FBI agent, to investigate these charges of voter intimidation. Mr. Broshahan’s sworn testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee in 1986 follows:
“The complaints we received alleged in various forms that the Republican challengers were aggressively challenging many voters without having a basis for that challenge . . .
“Based on my interviews with others, polling officials, and my fellow assistant U.S. attorneys, it was my opinion in 1962 that the challenging effort was designed to reduce the number of black and Hispanic voters by confrontation and intimidation . . .
“When we arrived, the situation was tense. At that precinct I saw William Rehnquist, who was serving as the only Republican challenger (emphasis added). The FBI agent and I both showed our identifications to those concerned, including Mr. Rehnquist . . . The complaints did involve Mr. Rehnquist’s conduct. Our arrival and the showing of our identifications had a quieting effect on the situation and after interviewing several witnesses, we left. Criminal prosecution was declined as a matter of prosecutorial discretion . . .
“I have read the testimony and letter supplied by Justice Designate William Rehnquist to this committee in 1971 . . . He describes his role in the early 1960s as trying to arbitrate disputes at polling places. That is not what Mr. Rehnquist was doing when I saw him on Election Day in 1962.
“At page 491 of the 1971 Record in his letter, William Rehnquist stated: ‘In none of those years did I personally engage in challenging the qualifications of any voters.’ This does not comport with my recollection of the events I witnessed in 1962 when Mr. Rehnquist did serve as a challenger.�
Let’s be fair, though. After all, Little Billy Rehnquist has come a long, long way from those early days in Arizona. It is 2,300 miles from south Phoenix to Washington.
http://www.badattitudes.com/Rehnquist.html
Comment by Say Yes Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 7:57 pm
36.nquist has come a long, long way from those early days in Arizona. It is 2,300 miles from south Phoenix to Washington.
http://www.badattitudes.com/Rehnquist.html
Comment by Say Yes Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 7:57 pm
36.
Just remember. In 2002 a DEA agent was prosecuted and convicted for leaking the name of a person in a laundering investigation. He was mad because a UK person was not being investigated so he leaked it to the London Times. That UK person was a key player in the Britan Conservative Party and in our own Republican Party. This was a pivotal case for the Bush administration and dealing with leakers. The DEA agent copped a plea and only did 1 year in prison, but was facing 580 years. This was a case under a different law than the one everyone is talking about in relation to Plame, but the same law can also be used against them. Perhaps that is where Fitzgerald is going!!
Comment by jamie  July 17, 2005 @ 8:20 pm
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2005/ 07/ 17/ podesta-on-mtp/ trackback/
1.
“Just say ‘Yes.’, Ken.� They could be certain indictments are imminent. Say “Goodnight, Ken.�
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 2:10 pm
2.
Rove said the subject of his conversations with Cooper would be “declassified soon�. Sound like Cooper and Rove are one in the same, and probably why Cooper squealed.
Rep. Roy Blunt seems equally apathetic by saying the CIA thinks too highly of Plame’s secrecy. Unbelievable.
Rep. King, Peter (R-NY-3rd)
Sen. Hutchison, Kay Bailey (R-TX)
Sen. Cornyn, John (R-TX)
Sen. Coleman, Norm (R-MN
Rep. Blunt, Roy (R-MO-7th
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:15 pm
3.
Treasonous bastards one and all. Traitors, and they are in the delicious position of having to defend treason.
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 2:25 pm
4.
I need to correct: Rove said the TOPIC of his conversations with Copper would “soon be declassified�.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:28 pm
5.
It’s the uniform stupid. This administration won’t acknowledge the legitimacy of anyone involved in the “War On Terror� unless they are wearing the appropriate uniform, even if they are on our side.
Comment by Adjectiveman  July 17, 2005 @ 2:29 pm
6.
He also said, “I’ve already said too much.�
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 2:30 pm
7.
Bless You Mr. Podesta.
Mr. Mehlman, you should be ashamed of yourself.
Comment by Jeff  July 17, 2005 @ 2:31 pm
8.
Yes, Yes, Ken, tomorrow is going to be ugly. Probably ugly for Cooper, also. I still cannot believe Cooper actually verbalized these things to Russert. Cooper knew it was classified, yet still wrote. Is this not how you heard it?
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:34 pm
9.
“Podesta on Meet the Press: White House Facing Credibility Deficit�??
Only since day one of the current administration…
Comment by S.D.  July 17, 2005 @ 2:40 pm
10.
although I think Cooper’s argument was that he wrote the information only after Novak outed it. The real issue is that Rove knew it was classified.
Comment by Ted  July 17, 2005 @ 2:42 pm
11.
Agree with Ted.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 2:51 pm
12.
I read it. I will catch it again tonite, to “see and hear�.
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 3:09 pm
13.
How many of you folks lived thru Watergate? Just curious.
Comment by Yes, Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 3:10 pm
14.
Correction Ted: The real issue is Plame. And Cooper, like Rove, should be held to the same standard of “When in doubt, leave it out�.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 3:16 pm
15.
My father tells me this is worse than Nixon.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 3:18 pm
16.
Ken Mehlman looks like he has some horse somewhere in his family stump.
Pass it on. Shhhh…..
Comment by The Horse Whisper Campaigner  July 17, 2005 @ 3:44 pm
17.
Karl Rove: the plot thickens.
Comment by Jon  July 17, 2005 @ 3:44 pm
18.
Someone needs to write an article or author a movie or play-wher bush and his congress and advisors are all democrats-and so is roveâ€â€now would ken mehlman be saying the same thing? let’s say this was the clinton administration…what would the republicans be doing to clinton now? make me a scenario? i hope someone goes back gets the talking heads and the morning shows and the rants of the right about clinton–and shows them to the public and then shows how the republicans are acting 100% different when it is one of them on the hot seat. I am wishing for this really hard.
Comment by karin  July 17, 2005 @ 4:17 pm
19.
Mr. Podesta was so good on the program, and Mr. Mehlman was so… not. Excellent job, and congratulations.
Comment by Peteykins  July 17, 2005 @ 4:30 pm
20.
Don’t you worry, Karin.
Bob Schieffer just about jumped out of his skin when ROY BLUNT said the CIA was taking Plame too seriously. The talking heads are listening.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 4:44 pm
21.
Let’s say we give ole ROY BLUNT a call and let him know about personal responsibility. Forget Mehlman.
Rep. King, Peter (R-NY-3rd)
Sen. Hutchison, Kay Bailey (R-TX)
Sen. Cornyn, John (R-TX)
Sen. Coleman, Norm (R-MN
Rep. Blunt, Roy (R-MO-7th
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 4:50 pm
22.
Don’t want to insult anyone’s intelligence-but you can email members of congress from Congress.org.
Comment by Brian  July 17, 2005 @ 5:05 pm
23.
Karl Rove walks. He didn’t break any law. End of story.
Comment by susan  July 17, 2005 @ 5:07 pm
24.
Did you notice how tired Ken looks compared to his past outings? I am sure he hasn’t had a sound night’s sleep in about a week. And you know they plastered him with pancake makeup in a vain attempt to make him look good. He is scared shitless and he knows that something big is about to go down. My question is this: If Rove et al are so innocent in all of this why do they all look so worried and scared?
Comment by sneakerchad  July 17, 2005 @ 5:15 pm
25.
Karl Rove walks. He didn’t break any law. End of story.
Comment by susan  July 17, 2005 @ 5:07 pm
Thank you, your Honor.
Comment by Say yes Ken  July 17, 2005 @ 5:29 pm
26.
Get the latest articles and documents on Plamegate at the Karl Rove Scandal Document Library.
Comment by Jon  July 17, 2005 @ 5:32 pm
27.
It is apparent that a number of the readers and other Republicans are having some difficulty in admitting culpability in Rovegate. I have found a word association game that may lend some light to the true culprits:
G. DUHbya Bush â€â€Richard M. Nixon
Dick Cheney Spiro Agnew
Karl Rove â€â€H. R. Halderman
Condo Rice John Erlichman
Al Gonzales–Your Choice John Dean
Don Rumsfeldâ€â€G. Gordon Liddy
Hilary Clinton* â€â€Gerald Ford
* My apologies to Hilary as I doubt she will pardon DUHbya)
(and to those of you that saw it the first time on one of my earlier postings.
When doing this little exercise one should remember the look, quack, waddle and other peculiar features of the proverbial duck in terms of “if it: it must be� while keeping in mind RMN’s most famous utterance “I am not a crook!�
Comment by Don Davis  July 17, 2005 @ 5:39 pm
28.
Please delete “your choice� from in front of “John Dean.�
Mea culpa.
Comment by Don Davis  July 17, 2005 @ 5:44 pm
29.
Don,
Or as Mr. Mann used the Nixon quote in his report to Mr. Tomlinson of the CPB,�I am not a cook�!
Comment by Skid  July 17, 2005 @ 5:45 pm
30.
ED, Steed, Northeast, fake, and karla,
I’d like to let you know that I am compiling a cookbook of tasty ideas for preparing all the crow you will have to eat when this is done. More details later.
Comment by Skid  July 17, 2005 @ 6:20 pm
31.
I believe chicken george bush has proven time and again that he is not a man of his word.
Comment by merlallen  July 17, 2005 @ 6:46 pm
32.
I was a young teenager during Watergate, I remember most of it. This is better.
Comment by merlallen  July 17, 2005 @ 6:49 pm
33.
God I hope he goes down and takes others with him. But never forget, and in any case, keep plugging the connection…. Rove, Cheney…..WMD,WMD …. DSM, DSM… Treason, Treason.
Impeach Bush.
Try him for treason.
hang him.
Comment by Richard Duff  July 17, 2005 @ 6:49 pm
34.
Skid,
Thanks! I admit I had to do my homework on Tomlinson/Mann. I am sure the report reported scars on DUHbya’s palms and feet as well! I suspect DUHbya’s scars will be less obvious than that when all the issues are finally put to rest in that place where the sun don’t shine. I plan on doing my share of the pushing.
Comment by Don Davis  July 17, 2005 @ 7:27 pm
35.
Little Billy Rehnquist…
Inside each of us the little boy or girl still hides. We may even dress up in private–put on a soldier suit or a silly hat and sneak a peek in the mirror. If we have been careful in our choice of profession, we are even allowed to dress up in public. Look at RuPaul, say. Look at Oliver North testifying in his cool Marine threads. Or look at William Hubbs Rehnquist in his black robe with fat gold stripes so everybody will know he’s The Biggest Justice of Them All.
But underneath that robe hides the same little scamp, Billy Rehnquist, who used to run around the neighborhood terrorizing minority voters forty years ago.
Return with me now to those innocent days of yesteryear.
It is election day in November of 1962. We are in Phoenix, Arizona, where a young former Supreme Court clerk is doing his unlevel best to see that Barry Goldwater is elected president. The young man, William H. Rehnquist, Esq., has been director of “ballot security� operations for the local Republican Party since 1958. On this day he is the sole Republican official at a polling station in south Phoenix, which is overwhelmingly African-Ame
July 17th, 2005 at 9:06 pmPodesta is absolutely spot on — as usual.
. . .
July 17th, 2005 at 9:55 pmKarl Rove? Ha Ha Ha A Republican? Ha Ha Ha Sycophant is more like it. A Republican? What’s that? Ha Ha Ha
They need to quit lying and cheating and coveting and the whole nine yards, but they can’t. So long, Republicans. You nitwits.
July 17th, 2005 at 11:22 pmPodestas giving advice on ethics, this is a joke. I doubt you people even noticed China threatened us with nukes last week, let’s flash back in time:
CONFIDENTIAL
NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL
RET
MEMORANDUM FOR:
William L. Clements
( CLEMENTS )
FROM: George J. Tenet
(TENET)
SUBJECT: export issues and encryption
bill:
the computer security advisory group is having another
meeting on September 1 and 2.
John Podesta, would like us to get a paper prepared on export
controls. From John’s perspective, the paper should include
our assessment of what is really going on in the wodd. What
kind of products are out there, what are the attitudes of
foreign govemments to the use of encryption – what can you
buy?
i had previously asked Barth to get Commerce to provide us
with a dispassionate assessment of the wodd’s encryption
market place. I called him. He says he is seeing a woman
tonight who should know where this study is. In addition, we
had tasked CIA to study the issue as well. they have a paper
in draft which will be coming along shortly- perhaps in the
next day or two..
Then John would like a dispassionate assessment of the issues
we face as we seek to make a decision on expod policy in
the context of encryption.
I am trying to set up a meeting with you, barth and myself in
the next day or two.
Can you give me a buzz before you go home tonight.
gjt
CC: Records
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From: “Charles Smith”
To: “John Novak”
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: Subscribe & Question
John,
I’m surprised that John Podesta did not burst into flames from
spontaneous combustion.
It was John Podesta that opposed the disclosure of documents
showing that he was working for his brother Tony while employed
at the White House. John Podesta arranged for the top execs of
U.S. computer companies to attend secret meetings in the White
House in 1995 when his brother (Tony) represented those
companies. Those closed meetings led to the decision to allow
super-computer exports to Chinese and Russian nuclear weapons
labs. The meetings were attended by an employee of Tony Podesta,
Ken Key, who led the lobby effort.
I forced John Podesta to change his FEC donation records to
reflect that he gave money to Sen. Lehy’s campaign while
employed at the White House. The record originally showed that
John took money from his brother Tony while he was also employed
at the White House. You will find that this is the ONLY record
of money donations from John Podesta where he cites his employer
is the White House.
In 1997 Bill Clinton had to give John Podesta a “waiver” to work
at the White House on computer export policy because of the
conflict of interest with his brother representing IBM, Silicon
Graphics, Sun, AT&T and others. Ironically, Clinton gave Podesta
this waiver two years AFTER the secret meetings took place. I
don’t know about you but a waiver given after the fact should
actually be called a “pardon”.
If John Podesta wants UFO records made public then good for him.
I’d like to see the records of his work in the White House
dealing with supercomputers for Russian and Chinese nuclear
weapons development. To this day – John Podesta refuses to
answer any questions on this effort with his brother. I
submitted those questions in 1997 to John as per his request.
I’ll bet that the UFO information is made public long before
John Podesta releases his records.
Yours,
Charlie Smith
Podesta and ethics? With his ethics Rove should have charged Cooper. LOL.
July 18th, 2005 at 1:50 amThe other susan=karla=fake’s wife. The Editor is just an idiot. Those two are human garbage.
July 18th, 2005 at 1:53 amThe above wingnuttery carried at :
http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/149495.html
The John Birch Society lives…
July 18th, 2005 at 2:02 amSay Yes Ken, are you saying clintoon didn’t give Podesta a waiver in 97 for something he did in 93 or that China didn’t just threaten us with nukes?
July 18th, 2005 at 2:26 amfake, are you saying there is a cause and effect relationship between opening Asian markets to technology and nuclear war? I mean, they could have nuked us without the latest Pentium chips.
July 18th, 2005 at 2:30 am…and Bush can’t protect us from that even with the latest Pentium chips.
July 18th, 2005 at 2:32 amJohn Podesta rocks!!
I saw him chew up and spit O’Leilly a few months back on that show. That photo up at top speaks volumes. An underslept and unprepared Ken Mehlman can only look on with his hands folded together as he gets schooled. His body language is one of defeat. Podesta’s is one of attack. Thank goodness the Dems have their spines back and are finally questioning the war and putting the hurt on Rove’s treasonous actions.
July 18th, 2005 at 2:38 amReally hippy, are you so blind, podesta is paid by his brother to use his influence to sell tech that in banned for sale to China, then needs a waiver when the heat is on and because he’s not a republican, you got no problem with that? The tech in question was restricted for a reason, that was changed not because it was a smart thing to do, but for the money john and Tony made. Ethics lesson from Podesta, Ha. Why didn’t China launch a man in to space before they did? Could you use the same tech to get a warhead to reenter the atmosphere where you wanted it to? Can you have reliable tests on nuclear weapons without breaking the test band treaty without supercomputers? Asian markets, what BS.
July 18th, 2005 at 2:41 amMR. RUSSERT: On Mr. Wilson, he said that his wife had no role in sending him to Niger.
MR. PODESTA: Well…
MR. RUSSERT: The Select Committee on Intelligence, bipartisan, unanimously found otherwise. George Tenet said that his memo was not dispositive in terms of whether or not Niger was trying to sell uranium to Iraq. And…
MR. PODESTA: And Mr. Wilson never said it was. Mr. Wilson said that he was asked to go to Niger by CIA officials, that he went to Niger.
(His wife dude, now you are wanting to define “is” again? Later on I think you are against this tactic, LOL.)
He found that the allegations that Niger supplying Iraq with yellow cake uranium was not credible. (He also said he knew it was a forged document by looking at it when he should never have seen it, amazing CIA husband powers? A leak at the dinner table perhaps? hmmm)
In fact, George Tenet apologized for having that phrase put into the president’s State of the Union address. Condoleezza Rice apologized. Ari Fleischer, on behalf of the White House, apologized. So what… (yeah John “so what? That’s telling us!)
MR. RUSSERT: And the British, who were the primary source, said it was accurate. But that…
MR. PODESTA: No. No, no, no, no, no, no ,no, no, no, no, no. The British said that what Tony Blair said was, to the best of his knowledge, accurate at the time. What we’ve learned subsequently from the IAEA was that, in fact, Wilson was right. But look… (at what your Porky Pig impression?)
MR. MEHLMAN: That’s another show.
MR. PODESTA: …they want us to be talking about Wilson. If you listen to what Mr. Mehlman just did this morning, it’s just more of the same: attack, attack, attack. That’s what got him in trouble two years ago. They tried to smear Mr. Wilson. They tried to–as one anonymous source, again in the White House, said, it was about revenge back in 2003. And now they’re trying to change the subject, attack Democrats, attack their critics. But the facts are that Mr. Rove said he wasn’t involved. Clearly, the one thing we know at the end of this week was that that was a lie. McClellan’s credibility is in shreds. I think Mr. Rove’s credibility is in shreds. He holds a senior-level national security position, Tim. You know, they kind of make him out to be just a political guy. He’s the deputy chief of staff in charge of coordinating the National Security Council, the Homeland Security Council. He doesn’t belong in the White House at this point.
(Mr. Bush will just give him a waiver John, you know the kind. Ok, now Wilson is out of the picture, not part of your talking points, not at the center of this whole mess, why didn’t the CIA send someone from the CIA, anyone care about that, hell can I go next time? LOL.)
MR. RUSSERT: Mr. Podesta.
MR. PODESTA: I think my Republican friend slept through the 1990s, but I must say, I come back to this, the–Mr. Rove has created a tremendous credibility problem for this White House, for this president, for this country on a matter of utmost national security, whether we can trust him to tell the truth about serious issues involving this war that has now claimed 1,763 Americans. And I think that the one thing that is unassailable at the end of this week is that Mr. Rove did not tell the truth in 2003, and I think given that, he’s hurting the president by staying there and I think he has a duty to the president–and, quite frankly, the president said he would fire leakers, not lawbreakers. And I–you know, I think if he’s a man of his word, he’ll take that seriously.
MR. RUSSERT: When you were at the Clinton White House, you all remember President Clinton’s testimony under oath, where he and his lawyer, Mr. Bennett, saying there is no sex of any kind, and President Clinton saying, “Well, it depends what `is’ is.” Are those the kind of legal evasions that you’re now accusing the Bush White House of?
MR. PODESTA: Well, I think that, you know, the president paid a tremendous price. But I think that at the end of the day, this isn’t about President Clinton. This is about the Bush White House, this is about the war in Iraq, this is about the fact that whether it’s Dick Clarke or General Shinseki or Max Cleland or Joe Wilson, the modus operandi is if you criticize this White House, if you suggest there’s another point of view, you’re attacked, you’re smeared, and that’s what happened. It got them in trouble two years ago. It’s not going to get them out of trouble today. They ought to cut it out.
MR. RUSSERT: But is there a lesson from what happened in the Clinton White House that you think should be applied to the Bush White House?
MR. PODESTA: Well, I think the lesson is that you ought to be straightforward with the American public.
MR. RUSSERT: And avoid the legalisms?
MR. PODESTA: Yeah.
(That’s telling us John, don’t be like clintoon, OMFG.)
July 18th, 2005 at 3:19 amThe Uranium Joe Wilson Didn’t Mention
By April 2003, when the U.S. invaded Iraq, Saddam Hussein had stockpiled 500 tons of yellowcake uranium at his al Tuwaitha nuclear weapons development plant south of Baghdad.
That intriguing little detail is almost never mentioned by the big media, who prefer to chant the mantra “Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction” while echoing Joseph Wilson’s claim that “Bush lied” about Iraq seeking more of the nuclear material in Niger.
The media’s decision to put the Wilson-Plame affair back on the front burner, however, may turn out to be a blessing in disguise for President Bush – giving his administration a chance to resurrect an important debate they conceded far too easily about the weapons of mass destruction threat posed by Saddam Hussein.
First, the facts – from a reliable critic of the White House, the New York Times, which covered the story long after the paper announced it was tightening its standards on WMD news out of Iraq.
“The United States has informed an international agency that oversees nuclear materials that it intends to move hundreds of tons of uranium from a sealed repository south of Baghdad to a more secure place outside Iraq,” the paper announced in a little-noticed May 2004 report.
“The repository, at Tuwaitha, a centerpiece of Saddam Hussein’s nuclear weapons program until it was largely shut down after the first Persian Gulf war in 1991, holds more than 500 tons of uranium,” the paper revealed, before insisting: “None of it [is] enriched enough to be used directly in a nuclear weapon.”
Well, almost none.
The Times went on to report that amidst Saddam’s yellowcake stockpile, U.S. weapons inspectors found “some 1.8 tons” that they “classified as low-enriched uranium.”
The paper conceded that while Saddam’s nearly 2 tons of partially enriched uranium was “a more potent form” of the nuclear fuel, it was “still not sufficient for a weapon.”
Consulted about the low-enriched uranium discovery, however, Ivan Oelrich, a physicist at the Federation of American Scientists, told the Associated Press that if it was of the 3 percent to 5 percent level of enrichment common in fuel for commercial power reactors, the 1.8 tons could be used to produce enough highly enriched uranium to make a single nuclear bomb.
And Thomas B. Cochran, director of the nuclear program at the Natural Resources Defense Council, told the Times that the low-enriched uranium could be useful to a nation with nuclear ambitions.
“A country like Iran could convert that into weapons-grade material with a lot fewer centrifuges than would be required with natural uranium,” he explained.
Luckily, Iraq didn’t have even the small number of centrifuges necessary to get the job done.
Or did it?
The physicist tapped by Saddam to run his centrifuge program says that after the first Gulf War, the program was largely dismantled. But it wasn’t destroyed.
In fact, according to what he wrote in his 2004 book, “The Bomb in My Garden,” Dr. Mahdi Obeidi told U.S. interrogators: “Saddam kept funding the IAEC [Iraq Atomic Energy Commission] from 1991 … until the war in 2003.”
“I was developing the centrifuge for the weapons” right through 1997, he revealed.
And after that, Dr. Obeidi said, Saddam ordered him under penalty of death to keep the technology available to resume Iraq’s nuke program at a moment’s notice.
Dr. Obeidi said he buried “the full set of blueprints, designs – everything to restart the centrifuge program – along with some critical components of the centrifuge” under the garden of his Baghdad home.
“I had to maintain the program to the bitter end,” he explained. All the while the Iraqi physicist was aware that he held the key to Saddam’s continuing nuclear ambitions.
“The centrifuge is the single most dangerous piece of nuclear technology,” Dr. Obeidi says in his book. “With advances in centrifuge technology, it is now possible to conceal a uranium enrichment program inside a single warehouse.”
Consider: 500 tons of yellowcake stored at Saddam’s old nuclear weapons plant, where he’d managed to partially enrich 1.8 tons. And the equipment and blueprints that could enrich enough uranium to make a bomb stored away for safekeeping. And all of it at the Iraqi dictator’s disposal.
If the average American were aware of these undisputed facts, the debate over Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction would have been decided long ago – in President Bush’s favor.
One more detail that Mr. Wilson and his media backers don’t like to discuss: There’s a reason Niger was such a likely candidate for Saddam’s uranium shopping spree.
Responding to the firestorm that erupted after Wilson’s July 2003 column, Prime Minister Tony Blair told reporters:
“In case people should think that the whole idea of a link between Iraq and Niger was some invention, in the 1980s we know for sure that Iraq purchased round about 270 tons of uranium from Niger.”
July 18th, 2005 at 8:30 amShorter Fake: It’s still Clinton’s fault, even though Saddam tried to buy uranium from Niger before Clinton was elected.
July 18th, 2005 at 9:11 amWhat all this has to do with the current White House’s credibilty problem is beyond me. I guess it’s the “He Did It First” Defense. Too bad. I kinda liked the Chewbacca Defense better.
2. Chewbacca Defense
A straw man argument featured on the popular series South Park.
“My client was found with blood all over his clothes and a gun in his hand, but because Kelogg’s the breakfast of champions, you must find him not guilty.”
3. Chewbacca defense
A nonsensical or illogical legal defense (especially one postulated by an unpopular defendant such as Microsoft or RIAA). The phrase comes from the animated TV series South Park, where an attorney exhorts a jury to acquit his client based solely on his contradictory arguments.
“Although my client’s fingerprints were all over the murder weapon and he was seen by 50 eyewitnesses at the scene of the crime, the Sun rises in the East so you must find him innocent.”
July 18th, 2005 at 9:18 amhttp://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chewbacca+defense&r=f
July 18th, 2005 at 9:19 amAlways Right,
I know you’ve been paying attention. Do you honestly believe that this administration, if they had a valid argument for WMD, the threat of WMD, any trace of WMD in Iraq that they would have “conceded far too easily”. Frankly, that is not only naeve, its utterly ridiculous. We’re talking about an adminstration that creates facts that suits its arguments from thin air, if they actually had any evidence of a threat and they didn’t have to concoct it, I’m sure we’d have heard a little bit more about it.
July 18th, 2005 at 9:19 amMainstream media mentioned trouble for Cheney too. It was good to hear that American’s are finally getting wise.
To the Republicans:
Bush came on national T.V., looked straight into the camera and into your face and said “I don’t care where Osama Bin Laden is.
He said to your face, “I DON’T CARE”.
Bushie tells you to your face that the supposed mastermind of the 9-11 attacks is not a priority for him.
IN YOUR FACE, HE DOESN’T CARE, HE TOLD YOU HOW MANY TIMES?
DUH!
July 18th, 2005 at 9:44 amTo the Republicans, Part II
Whenever we convict your criminal leaders you go back to Clinton or Kerry.
Do you really believe that either of these guys are running the country at this time?
That’s why I refer to you as mental, you aren’t living in present times.
Check the today’s date and LEARN who is the President TODAY!.
July 18th, 2005 at 9:49 amJay,
I do believe that the administration made a mistake when it retracked the claim made in the state of the union address. British intelligence still backs the claim that Iraq was actively seeking uranium. Prior to the war, the media and the democratic party, who had the same data to look at, supported the war. Now it appears for political purposes, they have turned their backs on our troops. Nothing, but nothing, can make the job they have to do harder without our support. I know we will reduce the number of troops in Iraq in the near future as the Iraqi army gets stronger, but the press does nothing to help this effort. Instead, they are always at odds. Why is that? Do they have an agenda we don’t know about?
July 18th, 2005 at 9:59 amTO TERRORISTS AROUND THE WORLD.
“I do not care where you are or what your are doing”. If you attack my great nation, I will not hunt you down”
“I don’t know where you are nor do I care”.
George W. Bush
July 18th, 2005 at 10:11 amI know we will reduce the number of troops in Iraq in the near future as the Iraqi army gets stronger, but the press does nothing to help this effort. Instead, they are always at odds. Why is that? Do they have an agenda we don’t know about?
Delusional.
July 18th, 2005 at 10:19 amSuzy aka: “The Debtonator� that is not a very flattering photo by the way, I pictured with longer hair : (
Comment by fake but accurate  July 16, 2005 @ 6:02 pm
Now you know why you are not my target audience. I talk to folks who want to resolve their problems, who have simple comprehension skills.
My education legislation was inspired by you Fake as I feel there are many like you who need additional education.
Please do not go into research as a profession. You will fail as it is evident that you are incapable of navigating a website.
Keep making a fool of yourself, you’re very good at it.
Mrs. Debtonator
July 18th, 2005 at 10:48 amImagine that – a sitting President with a credibility problem. Isn’t that a pre-req for being a politician?
This might damage the President if Democrats had just one arm of govt. They do not, so it’s non-issue. If people care, they will vote the GOP out in a year.
July 18th, 2005 at 11:05 amAlways Right,
Prior to the war the Democrats (most of them anyway) acted like cowards and didn’t question or oppose anything that the administration was doing because the Bush admin and the media had effectively (with lies and propaganda) whipped the country into a misguided “let’s kick some ass” fervor. I consider those Democrats just as guilty (as accomplices) as the criminals that perpetrated the entire fraud. However, if you had to choose, who would you rather have minding the store while you go on vacation, the guy that just robbed it or the customer that held the door for the robber as he ran to the getaway car? At least with the customer you know that there’s a chance that the store won’t be robbed.
The press, in my opinion is also guilty in the Iraq war disaster because they pom-pommed the invasion from day one. The fact that we’re seeing the daily carnage in Iraq on TV each night is a matter of the media following its self-serving strategy of “if it bleeds it leads”. How else has the mainstream media worked against the troops? Just give me one example? I see two thing in the media, puff pieces on all the “wonderful” things we’ve accomplished in Iraq and carnage.
The best way to support the troops is to fight like hell to bring them home from this fraudulent war. Arguing that we “don’t support the troops” at this point smacks of blind loyalty which, if memory serves, got the Good German people into a bit of trouble in the late thirties.
July 18th, 2005 at 11:06 amAgreed Jay, if the Pugs do not want help bring our troops home, the least they can do is get their asses to Iraq and fight the illegal war.
We know they will do neither as they are what we call “repansycans” or for a better term, “sissy’s”.
July 18th, 2005 at 11:13 amImagine that – a sitting President with a credibility problem. Isn’t that a pre-req for being a politician?
This might damage the President if Democrats had just one arm of govt. They do not, so it’s non-issue. If people care, they will vote the GOP out in a year.
Comment by The Northeast Dilemma  July 18, 2005 @ 11:05 am
They are voting them out right now, you delusional fool. Going for the real war hero. Drop dead anytime.
http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/
http://blog.dccc.org/mt/archives/003143.html
July 18th, 2005 at 11:16 amTo the terrorists, “Attack my nation and I will not hunt you down”. My intelligence agency is incompetant so go ahead and take advantage of that knowledge”.
“I will tell you who is an operative so you can kill them upon their arrival to your nation”
“Yes, American’s don’t care about those responsible for attacking America. Nor do we care about protecting our Intelligence Agents”.
“Bring it on”!
George W. Bush
July 18th, 2005 at 11:19 amImagine that – a sitting President with a credibility problem. Isn’t that a pre-req for being a politician?
This might damage the President if Democrats had just one arm of govt. They do not, so it’s non-issue. If people care, they will vote the GOP out in a year.
Comment by The Northeast Dilemma  July 18, 2005 @ 11:05 am
Notice how this GOP POS laughs at the will of people? “We have the power, Go screw yourselves.” No, we are going to put you into a box and bury you. Screw you.
July 18th, 2005 at 11:19 amN – sorry, but last time I checked, the GOP was still in control.
Susan and J just reminded us all why Republicans are in control. Comparing Bush to Hitler is ridiculous and sane people realize that. Voters can’t get to the issues when morons like you people continue to lower political discourse. They have to vote against hate. But, don’t worry, there’s always Canada for you people!!
July 18th, 2005 at 11:21 amCheck out the new version of Websters dictionary.
They’ve added a new definition for “delussional”: Northeast Dilemma
July 18th, 2005 at 11:25 amI would just like to add that in my opinion this W.H. had zero credibility from the very start. In my mind, knowingly participating in election fraud is a crime against The United States. I know, I know, my mind doesn’t create the law of the land. It’s just how I feel about it. They are the scum of the earth.
July 18th, 2005 at 11:26 amI’m delusional!?!?!? I’m not the one who thinks Bush is Hitler!
July 18th, 2005 at 11:29 amN – sorry, but last time I checked, the GOP was still in control.
Your delusional. What happened to the Bush Social Security plan?
July 18th, 2005 at 11:34 amNow you see where your problem lies, “I’m not the one who thinks Bush is Hitler”!
July 18th, 2005 at 11:34 amDilemma,
If you don’t see the parallels, you’re part of the problem.
July 18th, 2005 at 11:35 amN – we still have control with ss reform. We have control until at least Jan 2007, but it’s unlikely you guys take anything back with hate mongers like Susan on your side.
July 18th, 2005 at 11:36 amBush lied to Congress, again. He’s toast.
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/050725fa_fact
July 18th, 2005 at 11:36 amHey Susan, you owe me a Coke :)
July 18th, 2005 at 11:37 amN – we still have control with ss reform. We have control until at least Jan 2007, but it’s unlikely you guys take anything back with hate mongers like Susan on your side.
Comment by The Northeast Dilemma
Don’t single Susan out. We all hate you. 70% of the country hates you. 99% of the world hates you. Real Republicans and real conservatives hate you.
July 18th, 2005 at 11:38 am99% of the world still loves Bill Clinton.
July 18th, 2005 at 11:40 amDon’t be so modest, NED. You’ve worked hard to make people hate you. Many have died.
July 18th, 2005 at 11:42 amBush voter:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8587599/
July 18th, 2005 at 11:42 amCynical – you hate me because you can’t beat me. You’re all fascist pigs because you can’t fathom the idea that someone doesn’t think like you.
July 18th, 2005 at 11:45 amImagine that – a sitting President with a credibility problem. Isn’t that a pre-req for being a politician?
This might damage the President if Democrats had just one arm of govt. They do not, so it’s non-issue. If people care, they will vote the GOP out in a year.
This attitude: Power mad criminals.
That’s why independents have turned against you in droves. Why YOU are the non-issue now. Why you are done. Toast. Dead. Ineffective. Unable to go pee unless we tell you it’s OK. Why it’s over. Deal.
July 18th, 2005 at 11:47 amI’ll buy you a Pepsi Jay, Coke supported the Bushie campaign so I will not buy their “tainted” product.
So when do you think the “Don” will give Bushie “the Kiss of Death”?
The “Don” don’t like Grand Jury’s.
July 18th, 2005 at 11:48 amCynical – you hate me because you can’t beat me. You’re all fascist pigs because you can’t fathom the idea that someone doesn’t think like you.
Comment by The Northeast Dilemma
We didn’t need to beat you. Somehow you got the rope and hung yourself.
July 18th, 2005 at 11:50 amI have been saying for months now that BUSH is just as bad as HILTER, History is proving me right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Larry
July 18th, 2005 at 11:51 amThis is why we can’t let you play withs knives, ropes and scissors. You always end up hurting yourself, and others in the process. It’s rough, but… that’s the way it is. Call it whatever you want, even fascism. LOL1
July 18th, 2005 at 11:52 amIraqi Election Rigged. Bush Lied To Congress about that. It’s a crime to lie to Congress. A felony, I think.
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/050725fa_fact
July 18th, 2005 at 11:55 amDepending how expansive your “big picture” view is, here’s some more VITAL information, though it is on the London Bombings. But please understand, 9/11, Iraq, Al CIAda .. all interlinked and part of the same “New World Order” plot first announced by Bush I on SEPTEMBER 11, 1991.
ALCIAda: An invention of the CIA. Read about it here:
LONDON BOMBINGS UPDATE: 9/11/01: CHENEY has total control of NORAD, conducts FIVE war games TWO of which involve CRASHING PLANES INTO BUILDINGS.
Flash forward . . .7/7/05:
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/07/321544.shtml
http://canadafreepress.com/2005/cover070905a.htm
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/090705bombingexercises.htm
TERROR BOMBINGS IN LONDON TAKE PLACE SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH “WAR GAMES” OF BOMBING OF UNDERGROUND…JUST LIKE ON 9/11 WHEN CHENEY RAN WAR GAMES THROUGH NORAD, TWO OF WHICH INVOLVED FLYING PLANES INTO BUILDINGS. COINCIDENCE? right. 9/11 AND LONDO BOMBINGS INSIDE JOBS? Naah…nothing to see here. . .move along…
London Underground Bombing ‘Exercises’ Took Place at Same Time as Real Attack
TASTE:
“There ought to be limits to freedom.�
 G.W. Bush
“The process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing eventâ€â€like a new Pearl Harborâ€? (2000)
 Project for a New American Century
“We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order.�
 David Rockefeller
“Terrorism is the best political weapon for nothing drives people harder than a fear of sudden death.�
 Adolf Hitler
DO THE MATH, PEOPLE. IT’S TIME FOR A MAJOR HOUSECLEANING.
July 18th, 2005 at 11:56 amI’m with ya Marblex, I’m just having trouble convincing the ones with their heads in the sand.
But they don’t count anyway, they have nothing to offer to a cause as noble and patriotic as “housecleaning”.
July 18th, 2005 at 12:02 pmPresident Bush said this morning that, “We have a serious ongoing investigation here and it’s being played out in the press.”
Well, it’s also being played out in the “Karl Rove Whack-a-Mole Contest.”
Enter today!
July 18th, 2005 at 12:09 pmToast.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6862172/
July 18th, 2005 at 12:11 pmSorry, left off the AL CIAda link:
July 18th, 2005 at 12:19 pmhttp://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Al_Queda
NED. liberals live among diverse populations with diverse viewpoints. If I want to see fascists who can’t fathom people who don’t think exactly like them, I’ll visit “Bush Country.”
And no, we don’t hate you because you won, rather because you sacrificed 1,800 American soldiers for no reason. And you let bin Laden get away. And you continue to justify it and stifle debate by impugning the patriotism of anyone who questions it. And our children will be paying off the $2 trillion in new debt. They won’t like you either.
July 18th, 2005 at 12:51 pmI have a few questions for Dilemma, FBA, and others of their mindset, just trying to understand their thought process:
Do you simply not believe that Rove and Scooter had anything to do with outing Plame or exactly what is it that you think happened?
Even if it is found to not be a crime by the letter of the law, are you alright with the fact that they did talk to reporters about “Wilson’s wife”?
Why would they talk about “Wilson’s wife” in the first place? Why bother mentioning her, why bother talking with reporters at all?
If it was to either discredit Wilson’s story or let reporters know that they shouldn’t pay much attention to Wilson, why did they feel the need to do this?
Can any of you answer these questions without changing the subject or hurling insults?
July 18th, 2005 at 12:57 pmMikey,
Don’t you know that the terrorists hate our freedoms? Why are you questioning the President? Don’t you support the troops? You liberals have no ideas and all you can do is spew hate.
(Wow, it’s odd living in wingnut world….”get me back, get me back Clarence, I want to live again”.)
July 18th, 2005 at 1:02 pmHate is very heady stuff. They opened a Pandora’s Boxload of it and now it’s come home to roost.
July 18th, 2005 at 1:09 pmI love the photo of Mehlman and Podesta… Mehlman looks like some slack-jawed, digit-counting, self-soiling imbecile.
Podesta looks like he just took a bite out of Mehlman’s leg, and could he please have the Pinot Noir this time…
Some days it’s just really good to be alive.
July 18th, 2005 at 1:14 pmSuzy aka: “The Debtonator� that is not a very flattering photo by the way, I pictured with longer hair : (
Comment by fake but accurate  July 16, 2005 @ 6:02 pm
Now you know why you are not my target audience. I talk to folks who want to resolve their problems, who have simple comprehension skills.
My education legislation was inspired by you Fake as I feel there are many like you who need additional education.
Please do not go into research as a profession. You will fail as it is evident that you are incapable of navigating a website.
Keep making a fool of yourself, you’re very good at it.
Mrs. Debtonator
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Suzy I didn’t really think you were that fat guy in the photo, I doubt you are that effeminate. So what a scam, you make money off people who are in debt? That’s progressive. No, I didn’t look around the site you advertise, I’m not in debt, thanks, and if I was another bill would not help now would it? Parasite. I guess that’s harsh, and you have been so nice to me, not. Your education legislation, LOL. So you are the educanator?
July 18th, 2005 at 11:23 pmOMFG, you sell books and BS to people in debt via credit card? That will get them out off debt suzy, I stand by my parasite characterization. Good lord, and you come in here and preach ethics. WTF?
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