Comments on: The Plunging Standards of Ethics http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/19/the-plunging-standards-of-ethics/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 02:20:41 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Susan http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/19/the-plunging-standards-of-ethics/comment-page-1/#comment-70466 Susan Wed, 20 Jul 2005 16:17:35 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1353#comment-70466 "Have gun will travel read the card of a man. A man without armour in a savage land". Hey Paladin, you posting from Iraq? Yeah, right, chickenhawk! “Have gun will travel read the card of a man. A man without armour in a savage land”.

Hey Paladin, you posting from Iraq?

Yeah, right, chickenhawk!

]]> By: Matt L. http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/19/the-plunging-standards-of-ethics/comment-page-1/#comment-70107 Matt L. Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:09:27 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1353#comment-70107 Paladin, You are right about that Bush quote. But Scott McClellan--whose job it is to speak for the administration--went much further and declared that anybody who leaked classified information would no longer be in the administration. Other quotes actually from Bush say that he considers leaking (not just violating the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982) to be a serious offense. See the "Once upon a time at the White House..." post: http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/19/once-upon-a-time-at-the-white-house/. Also, I think you really needn't be proud of Bush's "unwavering" stand against criminals in the White House. Criminals have a hard time keeping their jobs at hot dog stands. If you have a friend or relative who has ever, no matter how long ago, done something stupid and gotten in trouble, you know what I mean. As for Joe Wilson being a partisan, his public life started by working for Republicans. He was hired by none less than St. Ronald Reagan. He was deputy chief of mission in Baghdad before Desert Storm. He voted for W in 2000. Talk about undercover! He must have been planning his bitter smear campaign against Karl Rove since the '80s! Paladin,

You are right about that Bush quote. But Scott McClellan–whose job it is to speak for the administration–went much further and declared that anybody who leaked classified information would no longer be in the administration. Other quotes actually from Bush say that he considers leaking (not just violating the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982) to be a serious offense. See the “Once upon a time at the White House…” post: http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/19/once-upon-a-time-at-the-white-house/.

Also, I think you really needn’t be proud of Bush’s “unwavering” stand against criminals in the White House. Criminals have a hard time keeping their jobs at hot dog stands. If you have a friend or relative who has ever, no matter how long ago, done something stupid and gotten in trouble, you know what I mean.

As for Joe Wilson being a partisan, his public life started by working for Republicans. He was hired by none less than St. Ronald Reagan. He was deputy chief of mission in Baghdad before Desert Storm. He voted for W in 2000. Talk about undercover! He must have been planning his bitter smear campaign against Karl Rove since the ’80s!

]]> By: Paladin http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/19/the-plunging-standards-of-ethics/comment-page-1/#comment-69657 Paladin Wed, 20 Jul 2005 03:31:14 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1353#comment-69657 How can you blow a cover which has been blown twice already? How can an agent be covered by a law which requires her to be based overseas during the past 5 years when by her own admission she has been based in the US for the past 6 years? My prior post was a rant? John you obviously don't know the meaning of the word. No, it isn't about a lying scumbag like Joe Wilson. It is about a President saying in Sept 2003 that he would fire anyone who did anything illegal in connection with this case. A reporter asked him in 2004 if he would stand by his pledge and he said yes. He then said he would fire anyone who committed a crime and the Bush Haters go, "AHA. He is lowering his ethics standards. He's raising the bar." Yeah, right. Perhaps a better response to this line of reasoning is "WTF?" It is clear to anyone who doesn't have a partisan agenda that no one will be indicted under the statute with which this case was opened. I, personally think he is investigating other crimes connected with this affair. Whether anyone is ever indicted I do not know. But, if they are, and they are a White House staffer, I am sure they will be relieved of duty. But, you can carry on your fantasies about this bringing down the President and Karl Rove if it helps you sleep at night. Good night, have to go see if Roberts is really a conservative. Ha Ha. How can you blow a cover which has been blown twice already? How can an agent be covered by a law which requires her to be based overseas during the past 5 years when by her own admission she has been based in the US for the past 6 years?

My prior post was a rant? John you obviously don’t know the meaning of the word.

No, it isn’t about a lying scumbag like Joe Wilson. It is about a President saying in Sept 2003 that he would fire anyone who did anything illegal in connection with this case. A reporter asked him in 2004 if he would stand by his pledge and he said yes. He then said he would fire anyone who committed a crime and the Bush Haters go, “AHA. He is lowering his ethics standards. He’s raising the bar.”

Yeah, right. Perhaps a better response to this line of reasoning is “WTF?”

It is clear to anyone who doesn’t have a partisan agenda that no one will be indicted under the statute with which this case was opened. I, personally think he is investigating other crimes connected with this affair. Whether anyone is ever indicted I do not know. But, if they are, and they are a White House staffer, I am sure they will be relieved of duty.

But, you can carry on your fantasies about this bringing down the President and Karl Rove if it helps you sleep at night.

Good night, have to go see if Roberts is really a conservative. Ha Ha.

]]> By: Keith H. http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/19/the-plunging-standards-of-ethics/comment-page-1/#comment-69355 Keith H. Tue, 19 Jul 2005 23:16:36 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1353#comment-69355 Check it out bushies. I don't know how to link in a post, but you should be able to make use of this. http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CIA_LEAK_INVESTIGATION?SITE=SCGRE&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2005-07-19-18-47-31 Check it out bushies.
I don’t know how to link in a post, but
you should be able to make use of this.

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CIA_LEAK_INVESTIGATION?SITE=SCGRE&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2005-07-19-18-47-31

]]> By: John S. http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/19/the-plunging-standards-of-ethics/comment-page-1/#comment-69282 John S. Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:24:03 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1353#comment-69282 Paladin- Sorry, but this isn't about Joe Wilson. It is about the people in the Bush White House that blew his wife's cover. Your rant is irrelevant, and only proves how desperate you conservatives are. Keep grasping at straws, if you must. Paladin-

Sorry, but this isn’t about Joe Wilson. It is about the people in the Bush White House that blew his wife’s cover.

Your rant is irrelevant, and only proves how desperate you conservatives are. Keep grasping at straws, if you must.

]]> By: Skid http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/19/the-plunging-standards-of-ethics/comment-page-1/#comment-69271 Skid Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:12:12 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1353#comment-69271 Yes, enlighten "us" with your sourcing of such information, paladin. Yes, enlighten “us” with your sourcing of such information, paladin.

]]> By: Krazny http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/19/the-plunging-standards-of-ethics/comment-page-1/#comment-69265 Krazny Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:54:48 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1353#comment-69265 Paladin do you have anything to back up all these assertions you have just made? Paladin do you have anything to back up all these assertions you have just made?

]]> By: Paladin http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/19/the-plunging-standards-of-ethics/comment-page-1/#comment-69261 Paladin Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:50:33 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1353#comment-69261 Wilson has lied throughout this affair from who got him the mission to what he found out. The Iraqis did try to purchase yellowcake from Niger. His wife was responsible for him getting the mission. His Op-Ed piece was a masterpiece of distortion. He has been thoroughly discredited by the bi-partisianship Senate Intelligence Report. His wife was not a covert agent per the law. It appears likely that even her neighbors knew who she worked for. Her CIA connection was revealed first in Moscow and then in Cuba. The Cuban revelation was the CIA's fault as they sent an unsealed package which the Cuban security forces read. And, supposedly Rove heard about her from another reporter. Bush's stance on firing for an illegal act has not waivered. Hopefully, all the spin from the MSM and Krazny types will only serve to inspire Rove to participate in the 2008 elections and deal the Democrats another blow. Wilson has lied throughout this affair from who got him the mission to what he found out. The Iraqis did try to purchase yellowcake from Niger. His wife was responsible for him getting the mission. His Op-Ed piece was a masterpiece of distortion. He has been thoroughly discredited by the bi-partisianship Senate Intelligence Report. His wife was not a covert agent per the law. It appears likely that even her neighbors knew who she worked for. Her CIA connection was revealed first in Moscow and then in Cuba. The Cuban revelation was the CIA’s fault as they sent an unsealed package which the Cuban security forces read.
And, supposedly Rove heard about her from another reporter.
Bush’s stance on firing for an illegal act has not waivered. Hopefully, all the spin from the MSM and Krazny types will only serve to inspire Rove to participate in the 2008 elections and deal the Democrats another blow.

]]> By: Skid http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/19/the-plunging-standards-of-ethics/comment-page-1/#comment-69252 Skid Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:38:03 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1353#comment-69252 CC, I would like to see your source to the claims of disengenous action and information on the part of Mr. Wilson, let alone his wife. Not from the choir on the right either. CC,

I would like to see your source to the claims of disengenous action and information on the part of Mr. Wilson, let alone his wife. Not from the choir on the right either.

]]> By: Susan http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/19/the-plunging-standards-of-ethics/comment-page-1/#comment-69251 Susan Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:34:43 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1353#comment-69251 Thats where you are wrong MJ. Wilson's facts were part of the "intelligence fixing".. Remember the DSM? Hmmmm...."the intelligence was being fixed around the Iraq policy".. Two very credible sources/documents that will prove Bushie to be a criminal. Show us the facts that state otherwise. And if I were you, I'd fax your evidence to Patrick Fitzgerald because he is the one who will decide who's going to jail. Get to work and save your hero with your documents. Nobody else is producing any. Thats where you are wrong MJ. Wilson’s facts were part of the “intelligence fixing”..

Remember the DSM? Hmmmm….”the intelligence was being fixed around the Iraq policy”..

Two very credible sources/documents that will prove Bushie to be a criminal.

Show us the facts that state otherwise. And if I were you,
I’d fax your evidence to Patrick Fitzgerald because he is the one who will decide who’s going to jail.

Get to work and save your hero with your documents. Nobody else is producing any.

]]> By: Skid http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/19/the-plunging-standards-of-ethics/comment-page-1/#comment-69249 Skid Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:31:28 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1353#comment-69249 Last I checked, Mrs. Plame WAS classified, thus being the reason the CIA called for an investigation. If you can show me otherwise, and not from a baseless repub talking head, please let me know. As for the foul, Rove and McClellan both stated that they had nothing to do with it when in fact Rove did have much to do with the outing of Mrs. Wilson's ID. It's a lie period. Smells pretty foul to me. Were you upset with Clinton's lie? I was. Last I checked, Mrs. Plame WAS classified, thus being the reason the CIA called for an investigation. If you can show me otherwise, and not from a baseless repub talking head, please let me know.
As for the foul, Rove and McClellan both stated that they had nothing to do with it when in fact Rove did have much to do with the outing of Mrs. Wilson’s ID. It’s a lie period. Smells pretty foul to me. Were you upset with Clinton’s lie? I was.

]]> By: Krazny http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/19/the-plunging-standards-of-ethics/comment-page-1/#comment-69246 Krazny Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:29:16 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1353#comment-69246 Umm Wilson was first employed by the Reagan administration or so I was led to believe. As far as Iraq buying yellow cake from Nigeria I belive it was revealed that the documents in question were forgeries. Also why did Bush change the text of his state of the union address if Wilson was wrong? Umm Wilson was first employed by the Reagan administration or so I was led to believe. As far as Iraq buying yellow cake from Nigeria I belive it was revealed that the documents in question were forgeries. Also why did Bush change the text of his state of the union address if Wilson was wrong?

]]> By: Concerned Conservative http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/19/the-plunging-standards-of-ethics/comment-page-1/#comment-69242 Concerned Conservative Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:26:21 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1353#comment-69242 Susan, no, the bottom line is that Wilson was trying to discredit the administration and the evidence they had about Iraq trying to get yellowcake. This evidence has since been corroborated by British intelligence and others. Wilson is no hero in this. Nobody is going to get impeached. I'll be surprised if anyone gets fired. Susan, no, the bottom line is that Wilson was trying to discredit the administration and the evidence they had about Iraq trying to get yellowcake. This evidence has since been corroborated by British intelligence and others. Wilson is no hero in this.

Nobody is going to get impeached. I’ll be surprised if anyone gets fired.

]]> By: Concerned Conservative http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/19/the-plunging-standards-of-ethics/comment-page-1/#comment-69239 Concerned Conservative Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:20:35 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1353#comment-69239 Ethics, Skid? How about Mr. Wilson's ethics? A democratic hack gets his CIA operative wife to get CIA brass to send him to Nigeria where he does a half-ass job investigating Iraq and yellowcake -- solely for the purpose of discrediting intelligence that indicated that Saddam has tried to get yellowcake. He actually finds some evidence that Iraq did in fact inquire about obtaining yellowcake, then misrepresents that in an article in the NYT. And why didn't he take his report to the White House first? Maybe because he wanted to try to smear the Bush administration? Don't give me this crap about the innocent Mr. Wilson. He's as ethically challenged as anyone in this thing. Ethics, Skid? How about Mr. Wilson’s ethics?

A democratic hack gets his CIA operative wife to get CIA brass to send him to Nigeria where he does a half-ass job investigating Iraq and yellowcake — solely for the purpose of discrediting intelligence that indicated that Saddam has tried to get yellowcake.

He actually finds some evidence that Iraq did in fact inquire about obtaining yellowcake, then misrepresents that in an article in the NYT. And why didn’t he take his report to the White House first? Maybe because he wanted to try to smear the Bush administration?

Don’t give me this crap about the innocent Mr. Wilson. He’s as ethically challenged as anyone in this thing.

]]> By: Don Davis http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/19/the-plunging-standards-of-ethics/comment-page-1/#comment-69235 Don Davis Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:19:33 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1353#comment-69235 #8 MJ I hope it isn't like declaring "Mission Accomplished" and then saying it won't be over for 14 more (2 plus Rummy's 12) years. #8 MJ

I hope it isn’t like declaring “Mission Accomplished” and then saying it won’t be over for 14 more (2 plus Rummy’s 12) years.

]]> By: Susan http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/19/the-plunging-standards-of-ethics/comment-page-1/#comment-69231 Susan Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:15:26 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1353#comment-69231 The bottom line is MJ that Wilson refused to lie about WMD's and BushCo retaliated. That is grounds for impeachment and a whole lotta other charges. The bottom line is MJ that Wilson refused to lie about WMD’s and BushCo retaliated.

That is grounds for impeachment and a whole lotta other charges.

]]> By: MJ http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/19/the-plunging-standards-of-ethics/comment-page-1/#comment-69229 MJ Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:12:05 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1353#comment-69229 Skid, If her identity isn't classified, and she WAS at least partially responsible for Wilson being selected for the trip, which is all that we know of that Rove said, where is the foul? Skid,

If her identity isn’t classified, and she WAS at least partially responsible for Wilson being selected for the trip, which is all that we know of that Rove said, where is the foul?

]]> By: Krazny http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/19/the-plunging-standards-of-ethics/comment-page-1/#comment-69227 Krazny Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:11:07 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1353#comment-69227 part of why this story is reverberating is this type semantic argument is what really got a lot folks hot about Clinton. Bush in his campaign said he would return honor and respect to the white house. now they are arguing over wether Rove actually said Plames name or just said Wilson's wife. part of why this story is reverberating is this type semantic argument is what really got a lot folks hot about Clinton. Bush in his campaign said he would return honor and respect to the white house. now they are arguing over wether Rove actually said Plames name or just said Wilson’s wife.

]]> By: Skid http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/19/the-plunging-standards-of-ethics/comment-page-1/#comment-69224 Skid Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:08:11 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1353#comment-69224 MJ, It's an ethical perspective, regardless of legal loopholes. can you honestly say nothing unethical, or malicious has been enacted by Karl Rove, "Scooter", and Novak in taking a cheap shot at Mr. and Mrs. Wilson? Sorry, but what they did to the Wilsons is FACT. HOW they did it, to what extent did they go, and Who all were taking part in it is what is being investigated. MJ,

It’s an ethical perspective, regardless of legal loopholes. can you honestly say nothing unethical, or malicious has been enacted by Karl Rove, “Scooter”, and Novak in taking a cheap shot at Mr. and Mrs. Wilson?

Sorry, but what they did to the Wilsons is FACT. HOW they did it, to what extent did they go, and Who all were taking part in it is what is being investigated.

]]> By: Susan http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/19/the-plunging-standards-of-ethics/comment-page-1/#comment-69219 Susan Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:04:26 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1353#comment-69219 Nothing will change if you continue to give in. I guess myself and a few million others have great confidence in the action that we take to "save America". BushCo relies on those who have no confidence. When you allow the same ol, you get the same ol. votetoimpeach.org Nothing will change if you continue to give in.

I guess myself and a few million others have great confidence in the action that we take to “save America”.

BushCo relies on those who have no confidence.

When you allow the same ol, you get the same ol.

votetoimpeach.org

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