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Maria,
What’s sad is that you’ve shut off all your reasoning ability in order to fuel your hate for George Bush and his administration.

If you remember, Saddam killed thousands of Kurds in his country using weapons of mass destruction. The mass graves of thousands are now being found in Iraq.

Again, thousands of people were killed by Saddam using weapons fo mass destruction.

You might be too young to remember the original war in Iraq in the early 90’s. As a result of the outcome, sanctions were placed against Saddam which he continued to ignore for 11 years.

The United Nations put into effect an “Oil for food” campaign whereby the funds received from their oil was “supposed to” go to help those Iraq citizens who were suffering.

Saddam Hussein illegally made billions of dollars while Iraq was under strict United Nations economic sanctions.

It has been described as the biggest financial scandal in history, and is seriously damaging the reputation of the UN.

We are now beginning to learn that the same countries in the U.N. that were against attacking Iraq- although they had ignored 11 years of sanctions, were receiving billions of dollars in kickbacks from the oil for food campaign. There decision not to attack Saddam was based on their greed.

You might remember that many people had told us that Saddam had WMD and must be stopped.
To refresh your memory Maria, here are some quotes from people who believed for years that something must be done.

“One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line.”
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

“If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program.”
- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

“Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face.”
- Madeline Albright, Feb. 18, 1998

“He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.”
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb., 18, 1998

“[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.”
- Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998

“Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.”
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

“Hussein has … chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies.”
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

“There is no doubt that … Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Sadism continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies.”
- Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, Dec, 5, 2001

“We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them.”
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

“We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.”
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

“Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.”
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.”
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

“The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons…”
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

“I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force– if necessary– to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.”
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

“There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years … We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction.”
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct. 10, 2002

“He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do”
-Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members .. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.”
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct. 10, 2002

“We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction.”
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

“Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime … He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to Miscalculation … And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his
continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction … So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real.
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), January 23, 2003

As you can see Maria, the idea that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction was not one that was made up suddenly by President Bush or his administration. It was shared by Democrats and Republicans alike.

When we went to war with Iraq we knew that he had ignored sanctions placed against him by the U.N. for 11 years, he had led us to believe he had weapons of mass destruction, he had killed thousands of people in his own country with them, and he was building up his military.

We now understand that other U.N. countries who refused to help us bring down Saddam did so because they were receiving billions of dollars from him.

It is sad that our Marines are being killed in Iraq each day.
Sadder still is that we knew Saddam was a brutal killer. The countries in the U.N. who received kickbacks knew he was violating sanctions and they refused to stop him.

Don’t you think, using your reasoning skills, that if there had not been corruption in oil for food program, if those countries had not decided to profit from Saddam at the suffering of the Iraq people, and if all of the countries who had helped put the U.N. santions in place originally had joined us in the fight to bring down Saddam, our job would have been much easier?

You don’t mention any outrage for France, Germany or Russia whose actions ultimately helped to cause this war. Your only anger is leveled against your own country and the fact that our Marines are being killed because we’re fighting, in part, as a result of the actions of other U.N. countries.
You’ve read what the Democrats said regarding WMD. Do you know believe they were lying? If so, are you disgusted?

If you believe they were telling the truth, aren’t they expressing the same thoughts President Bush had when he chose to do something rather than talk about it?

You have the Internet available to you Maria, why not use it to learn the whole truth before attacking your own country

Abe

“Sunday morning, a mother went in to wake her son and tell him it was time to get ready for church, to which he replied, “I’m not going.”
“Why not?” she asked.
I’ll give you two good reasons,” he said. “One, they don’t like me, and two, I don’t like them.”
His mother replied, “I’ll give YOU two good reasons why YOU SHOULD go to
church. (1) You’re 59 years old, and (2) you’re the pastor!”

“Sunday morning, a mother went in to wake her son and tell him it was time to get ready for church, to which he replied, “I’m not going.”
“Why not?” she asked.
I’ll give you two good reasons,” he said. “One, they don’t like me, and two, I don’t like them!”
His mother replied, “I’ll give YOU two good reasons why YOU SHOULD go to church. (1) You’re 59 years old, and (2) you’re the pastor!”

Comment by Abe Noxious — July 27, 2005 @ 5:55 pm

He’s just jerkin’ off! Like me! I’m an Onanist, too! Turdblossom over here prays to St. Priapus! He worships Big Dick Cheney’s package!

That first passage is explicit about the Ten commandments. It is not explicit about the rest of the Old Testament. Jesus himself said “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.” This is pretty dang explicit about a New agreement between God and Humans. While the ten commandments stand that doesn’t mean that the Levitical laws also stand. In fact Jesus seemed pretty outspoken about some of them. While he told the adulteress not to sin any more he didn’t follow the Levitical punishment of stoning her to death. Jesus broke the Sabbath on at least one occasion as well.

Given that the bible is inconsistent and that we are discussing a translation the comment about “the smallest part of the letter of the law” may have a meaning that isn’t so obvious in translation. Taking it as the literal exact word of God is a bad idea.

Jesus also turns round and berates the Jews in the Temple at Jerusalem with the wonderful argument…
“Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are gods’?” John 10:34 In section 9 you quote only part of the following verse… The entire passage makes it clear that it is not exactly saying what you are trying to make it say.
“but Jesus said to them, I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?

We are not stoning you for any of these, replied the Jews, but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.

Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are gods’? If he called them ‘gods’, to whom the word of God cam e— and the Scripture cannot be broken — what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?”

Interestingly The New Living Translation limits the category of gods to “certain leaders of the people.” I wonder which translation Bush uses…
Other translations use the words Scriptures or Books instead of Law. It seems that the original word may have a dual meaning.

As for the rest of your posting. Yes, the bible is contradictory. So are many other books (both religious and not). The fact that there are contradictions between the Old and New testaments can be explained away by changes introduced by the teaching of Jesus. Contradictions solely within the Old or New Testaments can be explained as Human error, or errors in translation. The overall tone of the documents and divine guidance are what we should consider if we are to use the bible to help us choose how to live our life.

Of course even with divine guidance, we are only human and may be wrong.

Z.

I am not surprised that the writers of the epistles say “everything we say is divinely inspired and we are never wrong” but that doesn’t mean that I have faith in either the translations or the original author not to be mistaken. Taking the overall tone of the teachings of Jesus, rather than individual verses should give you the right idea of what God means if the bible is divinely inspired. Nitpicking over a translation of individual sentences that have been passed down for 2,000 years is a futile gesture, at least unless you are a theologian or have a hidden agenda.

“Thou Shall Not Ignore the Old Testament!�

New Testament Verses Which Demand Following the Old Testament and Law Contradictions:

I hear so many Christians now a days claim that the Old Testament is defunct for Jesus was the “lamb� to clear away its rules and regulations. This is just another bullshit scapegoat that Christians use to ignore the atrocities and bizarre laws commanded by their god. Their preachers spoon feed them that the Old Testament is no longer binding so that they can excuse the majority of evil that the bible promotes. I am so tired of Christians manipulating the scriptures so that they can assign a kinder nature to their God, that I have assembled a BRIEF list of verses which clearly show that the Old Testament is not to be ignored. Its laws should indeed be adhered to, for the New Testament demands it! After this section I shall list where the Bible contradicts itself concerning other laws.

1) “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.� (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV) Clearly the Old Testament is to be abided by until the end of human existence itself. None other then Jesus said so.

2) All of the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever. “It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17 NAB)

3) Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. “Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

3b) “All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness…” (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)

3c) “Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God.” (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)

4) Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. Mark.7:9-13 “Whoever curses father or mother shall die” (Mark 7:10 NAB)

5) Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.� (Matthew 15:4-7)

6) Jesus has a punishment even worse than his father concerning adultery: God said the act of adultery was punishable by death. Jesus says looking with lust is the same thing and you should gouge your eye out, better a part, than the whole. The punishment under Jesus is an eternity in Hell. (Matthew 5:27)

7) Peter says that all slaves should “be subject to [their] masters with all fear,� to the bad and cruel as well as the “good and gentle.� This is merely an echo of the same slavery commands in the Old Testament. 1 Peter 2:18

8) “Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law” (John7:19) and “For the law was given by Moses,…” (John 1:17).

9) “…the scripture cannot be broken.â€? –Jesus Christ, John 10:35

Law Contradictions of the Bible:

10) Shall we obey the law? Romans 13:1-7 says quite clearly that Christians are to submit to the law and regard it as the institution of God. 1 Peter 2:13-14 “Submit your self to every ordinance of man … to the king, as supreme; Or unto governors.â€? Matthew 22:21 “Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s.â€? Also see Titus 3:1. Matthew 23:2-3 & Ecclesiastes 8:2 This leads one to assume that Christians must and should obey the law, yet look at these verses which contradicts what I just sited. Acts 5:29 “We ought to obey God rather then men.â€? Exodus 1:17-20 shows God punishing the midwives for following their rulers instead of God. Also see Daniel 3:16-18, 6:7-10, Acts 4:26 & 27, Mark 12:38-40, Luke 23:11, 24 & 33-35 which all say the law should be ignored. Now we know why Christians get away with their selective morality so often.

11) Should we steal? (Exodus 20:15 & Leviticus 19:13) Stealing is absolutely forbidden. Yet, Exodus 3:21-22, 12:35-36 & Luke 19:29-34 all promote stealing.

12) Should we judge? Jesus is quoted in Matthew 7:1-2: “Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged.� Also see Luke 6:37 & 1 Corinthians 5:12. Now take a look at “Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment� (John 7:24). Also note 1 Corinthians 5:12 & 6:2-4.

1 3) Should we covet? Exodus 20:17 says, “Thou shalt not covet . . . anything that is thy neighbor’s,� while 1 Corinthians 12:31 says, “Covet earnestly the best gifts.� So, are we or are we not to covet?

14) Is lying okay? Exodus 20:16. Proverbs 12:22 & Revelations 21:8 all say lying is forbidden. Joshua 2:4-6, Exodus 1:18-20 & 1 Kings 22:21-22 all support lying.

15) Can we kill? Exodus 20:13 says “thou shalt not kill�. Exodus 32:27, Numbers 31, and THOUSANDS of other verses show God commanding us to kill.

16) Can we own slaves? Leviticus 25:45 “Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy … and they shall be your possession… they shall be your bondmen forever.� Genesis 9:25 “And he [Noah] said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.� Exodus 21:2 & 7 “If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing… And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.� Joel 3:8 “And I will sell your sons and your daughters into the hand of the children of Judah, and they shall sell them to the Sabeans, to a people far off: for the Lord hath spoken it.� Luke 12:47-48 [Jesus speaking] “And that servant, which knew his lord’s will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes.� Colossians 3:22

“Servants, obey in all things your masters.â€? So obviously the Biblical God thinks slavery is right, right? Just look at these: Isaiah 58:6 “Undo the heavy burdens… let the oppressed go free, … break every yoke.â€? Matthew 23:10 “Neither be ye called Masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.â€? (Also see Exodus 22:21 & 21:16) Let it be known here that pro-slavery Bible verses were cited by many churches in the South during the Civil War, and were used by some theologians in the Dutch Reformed Church to justify apartheid in South Africa. There are more pro-slavery verses than cited here. I simply do not have the room to post all of them.

17) What about Improvidence? Improvidence is enjoined in Luke 12:3 “Sell that ye have and give alms.â€? also in Luke 6:30 & 35 “Give to every man that asketh of thee, and of him that taketh away thy goods, ask them not again … And lend, hoping for nothing again, and your reward shall be great.â€? Also note Matthew 6:28, 31 & 34. Improvidence is condemned in I Timothy 5:8 “But if any provide not for his own, and especially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel. “ Also see Proverbs 13:22.

18) What does the law say about anger? Ephesians 4:26 says “Be ye angry and sin not not.� Anger is disapproved in Ecciesiastes 7:9 “Be not hasty in thy spirit to be angry; for anger resteth in the bosom of fools.� Proverbs 22:24 “Make no friendship with an angry man.� Also see James 1:20.

19) Are we to let our good works be seen? Matthew 5:16 “Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works.� This contradicts verse Matthew 6:1 , “Take heed that you do not your alms before men, to be seen of them.�

20) Should we pray in public? 1 Kings 2:22, 54 & 9:3 shows the Lord is joyed by public prayer and listens intently. Matthew 6:5-6 condemn public prayer and command people keep it a secret.

21) Can we wear long hair? Judges 13:5 & Numbers 6:5 encourages people to grow their hair and insists it is a source of strength. 1 Corinthians 11:14 calls long hair a “shame�.

22) Should we circumcise males? Genesis 17:10 “This is my covenant which ye shall keep between me and you and thy seed after thee: Every man and child among you shall be circumcised. Clearly this demands circumcision, yet Galatians 5:2 says “Behold, I Paul, say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.�

23) Are there certain kinds of foods we should not eat? Deuteronomy 14:2-8 lists several animals that we are NOT to eat because they are “unclean�, “chew the cud� and “divide the hoof�. Yet Genesis 9:3 & 1 Corinthians 10:25 insists there is nothing we can’t eat. Romans 14:14 says: “There is nothing unclean of itself.�

24) Can we take oaths? Numbers 30:2, Genesis 21:23-24, 31, 31:53 & Hebrews 6:13 says that we can take oaths and encourages it. Matthew 5:34 says “swear (make an oath) not at all.�

25) Can we get married? Genesis 2:18, 1:28, Matthew 19:5 & Hebrews 13:4 all insist marriage is honorable. Marriage is disapproved and scorned in 1 Corinthians 7:1 & 7:7-8.

26) Can we commit adultery? Exodus 20: 14 “thou shalt not commit adultery.� Also see Hebrews 13:4. Now look at Numbers 31:18, Hosea 1:2 & 2:1-3 where adultery is advocated by God.

27) Can we drink alcohol? Proverbs 31:6-7, 1 Timothy 5:23 & Psalms 104:15 all encourage drinking and intoxication. Proverbs 20:1 & 23:31-32 discourage drinking and intoxication.

28) Do women have rights? Genesis 3:16 “And thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.� 1 Timothy 2:12 says a woman must not teach, remain silent and must be subjugated to her man. 1 Corinthians 14:34 & 1 Peter 3:6 both say that women have limited rights and are under control of their men. Judges 4:4, 14-15, 5:7, Acts 2:18 & 21:9 all tell of powerful women who were not subjugated by men and were not punished for their authority of men.

29) Should we obey our masters with usurped authority? Colossians 3:22-23 & 1 Peter 2:18 says we should. 1 Corinthians 7:23 “Be not ye the servants of men.� Also see Matthew 4:10 & 23:10 which say we should not submit usurped to our masters.

30) Was the law of the Old Testament destroyed by Christ’s crucification? Luke16:16, Ephesians 2:15 & Romans 7:6 says that the old law is no longer binding. Yet Matthew 5:17-19 and MANY other verses say that the old law is forever binding. If you want to see the many verses that command we follow the old law please consult the upper portion of this page.

31) Should we swear an oath? Numbers 30:2 “If a man vow a vow unto the Lord, or swear an oath…he shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth.� Genesis 21:22-24 & 31 “…swear unto me here by God that thou wilt not deal falsely with me…And Abraham said, I will swear…Wherefore he called that place Beersheba [“Well of the oath�]; because there they sware both of them.� Hebrews 6:13-17 “For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself…for men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife. Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability ofhis counsel, confirmed it by an oath.� See also Genesis 22:15- 19, Genesis 31 :53, & Judges I 1 :30-39. So apparently it is okay to swear an oath, we even do this on the Bible in American courts. Just try and forget these verses: Matthew 5:34-37 “But I say unto you, swear not at all; neither by heaven…nor by the earth…Neither shalt thou swear by thy head…But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.�

James 5:12 “…swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.�

32) Do we keep the Sabbath? Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.� Exodus 31:15 “Whosoever doeth any work in the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.� Numbers 15:32-36 “And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the Sabbath day…And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses.� Each of these contradict Isaiah 1:13 “The new moons and Sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity.“ John 5:16 “And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the Sabbath day. “Colossians 2:16 “Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy-day, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath days.�

33) Should we make graven images? Exodus 20:4 “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven…earth … water.â€? Leviticus 26:1 “Ye shall make ye no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone.â€? Deuteronomy 27:15 “Cursed be the man that maketh any graven or molten image.â€? Okay, I got it I shouldn’t produce a thing in fear of making a graven image, but wait: Exodus 25:18 “And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them.â€? I Kings 7:15-16 & 23-25 “For he [Solomon] cast two pillars of brass…and two chapiters of molten brass…And he made a molten sea…it stood upon twelve oxen … [and so on]â€?

Your point is well taken. My apologies. Nasrudin was a great fool, but Nasrudin was also a Mullah, so he must have been a terrorist fool, at least according to Abe. I do recall that one about promising to teach the Shah’s horse to fly. I have been reading Sufi and Dervish tales for years. I commend you for your patience, I just can’t stand the smell of the vomit and the sight of Abe gobbling it up after he regurgitates it over and over again.

Preaching and Teaching

Mulla preached on fridays at the village mosque. One day having nothing to preach about sitting on the minbar he asked the congregation:

“Then those who know can tell those who don’t” said mulla and left.

Orthodoxy and Heresy

“Nasrudin, is your religion orthodox?”

“It all depends,” said Nasrudin, “on which bunch of heretics is in power.”

Z.

Proverbs 26:11
As a dog returns to its vomit, so a fool repeats his folly.

I’ve not read one comment from you adding to the subject matter of this discussion.

Applying logic here, it’s obvious you crave attention from adults Festus. Even negative attention supplies your need.

Apparently your parents, friends and stuffed toys didn’t supply you the love or attention you desperately needed when growing up.
You can’t seem to get past that.

You need to immerse yourself in scripture to see if you can learn something about your creator.

God knows you heart and He has something to say to you Festus.

Psalm 59:12
For the sins of their mouths, for the words of their lips, let them be caught in their pride. For the curses and lies they utter.

Proverbs 1:7
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, but fools [ 1:7 The Hebrew words rendered [ fool ] in Proverbs, and often elsewhere in the Old Testament, denote one who is morally deficient. ] despise wisdom and discipline.

For more information, you might want to read “The case for faith” by Lee Strobel.
http://www.faginfamily.net/barry/Papers/caseforfaith.htm

You haven’t done well defeating all of your anger, hatred and childishness on your own… don’t let your demons continue to make a fool of you.

Get to know God.

Abe

Good question. It’s some form of psychopathology. Basically you just crave attention, and are borderline personality. You vacillate from mildly to wildly delusional, but you are going to let Jesus heal you, so it’s OK.

http://christianexodus.org/

Quoting scripture is not answering questions. If I wanted to have a discussion with a book, I would buy one and have some moron read it back to me.

Comment by Zwack — July 27, 2005 @ 6:05 pm

You are so right, Zwack. As someone who has studied the Kabbalah, and I don’t mean that phony bullshit Madonna is into, I can tell you that there is no higher place to be than that of the fool, but he doesn’t start out at the top, holding all the aces, he just ends up there. There are fools, and then there are fools.

Which means you’re having a hard time keeping up or the subject matter scares you. The option of ignoring us doesn’t occur to you, you want the subject matter stricken from your sight.

Then you said:
A subject you are widely conversant in, and a subject he is not even the slightest bit knowledgeable about.

Well I answered every question Zwack posed and invited you to join in to the discussion Festus. You didn’t, but it didn’t keep you from making a determination that I was incorrect… based on, I imagine, you’re total lack of knowledge on the subject.

but you went on:
It makes you look the fool, and I know you are not. Personally, I don’t think he is even religious. I think he is just a parody troll, a right wing atheist.

I think you inability to join in on the subject makes you look foolish Festus, especially in view of the fact that you had nothing whatsoever of any Biblical content to add.

Apply some logic here Festus, If I wasn’t religious, why would I bother to render an opinion on religion and where would I have obtained the knowledge?
The fact that I worship God, read His Word and apply it to my life affords me an understanding of his Word which I minister to others according to my gifts.

One of my gifts is recognizing foolishness when I see it.
Your comments, while seemingly brilliant to you, were inaccurate… and foolish.

Proverbs 26:12
Do you see a man wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.

Abe