Five former intelligence officers testified at a Senate hearing yesterday about the long-term damage that can result from outing a CIA agent. Here are just a couple of the main themes that emerged:
JIM MARCINKOWSKI, Former CIA Officer: Any undercover officer, whether in the police department, the CIA, will tell you the major concern of their informant or their agent is their personal protection and that of their family. Cover is safety. If you cannot guarantee it in some form or other, the other person is not going to work for you; it’s as simple as that. And you will lose that source of information.
COL. PATRICK LANG, Former Director, Defense Human Intelligence Service: So when you have an instance like this, in fact, in which… the elected government of the sponsoring government, of the major country in the world, deliberately, and apparently for trivial and passing political reasons, decides to disclose the identity of a covered officer, the word goes around the world like a shock, in fact, that, in fact, “The Americans can’t be trusted — the Americans can’t be trusted. If you decide to cooperate clandestinely with the Americans, someone back there will give you up — someone will give you up, and then everything will be over for you.” So you don’t do it.
The disturbing truth is that Bob Novak knew all this before he outed Valerie Plame. In an October 1, 2003 column, Novak tried to explain what he was thinking when he disclosed Plame’s identity in an earlier July 14, 2003 op-ed. Novak admitted that he had talked to an individual at the CIA prior to publishing the article:
At the CIA, the official designated to talk to me denied that Wilson’s wife had inspired his selection but said she was delegated to request his help. He asked me not to use her name, saying she probably never again will be given a foreign assignment but that exposure of her name might cause “difficulties” if she travels abroad.
Having heard all this, Novak went ahead and published her name anyways.
All that needs to be done is find the mausoleum that contains his crypt and drive a stake through his heart and he will sleep peacefully forever.
July 23rd, 2005 at 5:41 pmhttp://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2003_09_28.php
July 23rd, 2005 at 5:45 pmDid any of these CIA agents resign/retire during the CIA shake-up in Goss’ first months? This all seems to be related, but to what degree of relation would be interesting to know.
July 23rd, 2005 at 5:46 pm“To protect my own integrity and credibility, I would like to stress three points. First, I did not receive a planned leak. Second, the CIA never warned me that the disclosure of Wilson’s wife working at the agency would endanger her or anybody else. Third, it was not much of a secret.”
Okay,
1. he admits his goal in this article is to protect himself.
2. How would he know if it was a “planned” leak?
3. Whats not much of a secret? That disclosure would endanger her?
If it’s no secret and he knew it would endanger her, then he should be jailed with the rest of them, no?
Also note that he is trying to dispell the acusations against the White House, not just himself.
Put him in jail!
July 23rd, 2005 at 5:46 pmhttp://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2003_09_28.php#001980
July 23rd, 2005 at 5:47 pmAhbee-ahbee-ah-That’s all folks!
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July 23rd, 2005 at 6:02 pmI think the WH had every intention of outing Plame for payback, then firing her so she could save her hide.
July 23rd, 2005 at 6:21 pmI would like to know what Rove meant when he told Cooper that Plame would be “declassified soon”. It buggin’ me.
He printed the article because Rove told Bush to tell Cheney to tell Libby to tell Rove to tell Nofact to print it. Even my old CB buddies “Fake But Inaccurate,” The “Eds, and old “Northeast Enema” had that all figured out.
July 23rd, 2005 at 6:24 pmTen Four Good Buddies!
Correction: “So did [Karl] Rove leak Plame’s name to me, or tell me she was covert? No. Was it through my conversation with Rove that I learned for the first time that [Joe] Wilson’s wife worked at the CIA and may have been responsible for sending him?”–to Niger. “Yes. Did Rove say that she worked at the `agency’ on `WMD’?”–weapons of mass destruction. “Yes. When he said things would be declassified soon, was that itself impermissible? I don’t know.” -Cooper
July 23rd, 2005 at 6:26 pmI was very impressed that Roy Blunt and McCain were topics for discussion at the hearings yesterday.
This is an incomplete list of folks who have publicly supported Karl Rove and/or dismissed the CIA as putting too high a regard on Plame’s classified status. I email them frequently to express my concern with WH behavior.
Rep. King, Peter (R-NY-3rd)
July 23rd, 2005 at 6:32 pmSen. Hutchison, Kay Bailey (R-TX)
Sen. Cornyn, John (R-TX)
Sen. Coleman, Norm (R-MN
Rep. Blunt, Roy (R-MO-7th
Sen. Graham, Lindsey (R-SC)
Sen. McCain, John (R-AZ)
Let’s be clear here, okay? It is not a crime to state the name of a CIA employee. There is nothing wrong with saying (truthfully) that “Valerie Plame is a CIA operative on WMD,” as Novak did. Legally and ethically, that is the same as saying “Judith Miller is a New York Times reporter who writes about WMD.” In all likelihood, Ms. Miller and Ms. Plame knew one another and discussed WMD. That is no more wrong with than is Karl Rove correcting Matt Cooper (accurately) about the involvement of Ms. Plame in her husband’s selection for the Niger “yellow-cake” mission, despite his lack of WMD credentials. These things are all perfectly legal and ethical under the First Amendment, and no reporter who values her anonymous sources would ever claim otherwise.
Of course, one might question whether or not David Corn committed a crime. For, as we all now know, Mr. Corn wrote another article, two days after the Novak article, in which he specifically described Valerie Plame as “an undercover CIA officer.” In point of fact, that was the first article in which Ms. Plame was publicly identified as a covert CIA agent.
Mr. Corn needs not worry, though, because even that statement was not a crime. In the first place, it was factually incorrect. By July 2003, when the Corn article appeared, Ms. Plame had not had a covert posting for over 5 years. She was a desk jockey at the CIA, and she openly told her friends and neighbors that she worked there. By definition, under the law, she was not a covert agent – period. Calling her that, even incorrectly, is simply not a crime.
In the second place,the statute in question would require that Mr. Corn obtained his information through classified sources, and that he disclosed Ms. Plame’s name and covert status the specific purpose of damaging U.S. intelligence. But Mr. Corn got all of the information in his article from his interview with Joe Wilson. [Note: Ironically, just a few days earlier, Joe Wilson had told Mr. Novak, "I will not answer any question about my wife." Not only did Wilson not protest or warn Novak against revealing his wife's identity and employment, he later freely discussed both with Mr. Corn. So how significant could the disclosure of either - by anyone - be?]
Thus, even if David Corn did not already know Ms. Plame’s name and occupation as a matter of Washington gossip, he did not need to learn them from classified sources – because Joe Wilson freely sat down and told him all about it! This is not a crime. It is only a crime to intentionally disclose the true identity of a covert CIA agent if the disclosure occurs under very narrow circumstances, none of which exist in this case.
The law was intentionally drafted this way to avoid any chilling effect on the First Amendment. If people want to broaden the law, they should go right ahead and write their congressman – but they should be careful what they wish for. In the meantime, this tempest-in-a-teapot is pure politics, and politics ain’t beanbag. Joe Wilson is a documented liar who failed in his ham-handed partisan attack on the President of the United States. Since the subject here is “Corrupt Establishment,” I’d give anything to read a single comment on Mr. Wilson’s established record of corruption.
July 23rd, 2005 at 7:14 pmProbably quite well.
I think Fitzgerald gave him immunity for cooperating with the special prosecutor. Plus, CNN inked a new multi-milion dollar contract for his services into 2008,’ so what more can he ask for?
. . .
July 23rd, 2005 at 7:34 pmA stroke.
July 23rd, 2005 at 7:37 pm#11. I bet you could sell that essay to some young Republican Yellow Elephant at Bob Jones University, or some other right wing education camps masquerading as a pseudo-university and institution of Higher Propaganda. I figure it’s worth about ten bucks, tops.
July 23rd, 2005 at 7:43 pmVRMC
The check is in the mail.
It is only a cold sore.
Some other dude dit it.
Rove is innocent.
DUHbya will be the next Pope.
My fictions are funnier than yours.
July 23rd, 2005 at 7:57 pmVMRC,
I see you traded in your CB license for a copy machine operators license. Keep up the good work, Good Buddy, Ten-Four
July 23rd, 2005 at 8:00 pmThey are not Republicans, or conservatives. I have many names for them, none of them nice, or polite. I may start calling them “particans”.
July 23rd, 2005 at 8:07 pmHow does novak sleep at night? Simple…
After his nightly super secret illegal stem cell bath (the only thing holding his foetid skin together) he gingerly wraps himself in his ceremonial robe and hits the altair to sacrifice some kidnapped babies of the accursed liberal scum.
When he is no longer capable of keeping his puffy eyes open he will slink off the bloodsoaked steps of his unholy underground temple, pausing only to lick the blood off of his fingers with the slow yet erratic motions that can only come from a dangerously forked tounge…
to prepare for another day of “Crossfire”
July 23rd, 2005 at 8:09 pmI thought that was Karl Rove’s nightime ritual. Do they both worship at the same Demon’s altar?
July 23rd, 2005 at 8:56 pmThey pray to Bill Z. Buub of Hellisburnin.
July 23rd, 2005 at 9:02 pmVRWC, I think you’re quite right. Advisers to the president should feel free to divulge the names of classified CIA operatives if they need to smear someone. It’s their First Amendment right. Why did the CIA file this case anyways? You’ve convinced me.
July 23rd, 2005 at 9:08 pmVRWC needs an agent. I would suggest Benador and Associates. He’s fit right in with all the other hacks they represent.
July 23rd, 2005 at 9:15 pmRegardless of deals that may have been made, Novak is the lowest of scum. He did what he did at the behest of this administration. He knew exactly what he was doing, and that he was not only placing Valerie Plame in severe danger, but everyone of her “contacts” who by reason of her outing, could be put to death as spies. And Novak didn’t give a damn. For that he should earn nothing for the rest of his life but contempt. He should be spending the rest of his life doing hard time. There was no reason that could justify what he did, no matter whose ass he thought he was kissing. CNN leadership is totally lacking any ethical values in that they keep this low life on the air. How contemptable.
July 23rd, 2005 at 9:33 pmNovak did it to stroke his overblown ego. He probably saw it as a way to help his side & try to further integrate himself to the “power”.
What a little man. Truly sad because he must have seen how petty a move it was by Rove. You want to become part of that?
I wouldn’t, I’d run the other way.
July 23rd, 2005 at 9:41 pmNovak sees himself as a devout Catholic, and has no doubt that his “reward” shall be eternal life in heaven. I was taught by priests and nuns for eight years, and I got news for Bob: according to the Catholic religion that I know, where you are going it might be wise to bring ice cubes and a fan along.
July 23rd, 2005 at 11:19 pmif being outed is so bad, why did Wilson and Plame immediately put their faces in the spotlight, Plame at least?
July 24th, 2005 at 4:49 amI also was very interested in these guys’ take on the actual implications of these events. Here is my atke on it at my blog: http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=11788678&postID=112217301407798235
July 24th, 2005 at 7:45 amThe Spotlite? Once she was outed she needed a different kind of protection. The spotlite can afford some protection now, as in “if anything should happen to me…”
July 24th, 2005 at 10:09 amThey put themselves in the spotlight for the very same reason children are taught to scream as loud as they can when strangers try to abduct them.
July 24th, 2005 at 10:17 amMcCain is a piece of crap. Again, this week, he refuses to acknowledge wrongdoing by WH.
He says he does not know what “negligent” means in regard to disclosure agreement.
This is an incomplete list of folks who have publicly supported Karl Rove and/or dismissed the CIA as putting too high a regard on Plame’s classified status. I email them frequently to express my concern with WH behavior.
Rep. King, Peter (R-NY-3rd)
July 24th, 2005 at 10:48 amSen. Hutchison, Kay Bailey (R-TX)
Sen. Cornyn, John (R-TX)
Sen. Coleman, Norm (R-MN
Rep. Blunt, Roy (R-MO-7th
Sen. Graham, Lindsey (R-SC)
Sen. McCain, John (R-AZ)
Gergen now saying Bush slowly becoming public focus of CIA leak. He says Bush in catch-22.
July 24th, 2005 at 11:17 am1. Bush was lied to and does not seem to care, or
2. Bush is complicit, and really does not care.
This is an incomplete list of folks who have publicly supported Karl Rove and/or dismissed the CIA as putting too high a regard on Plame’s classified status. I email them frequently to express my concern with WH behavior.
Rep. King, Peter (R-NY-3rd)
July 24th, 2005 at 12:49 pmSen. Hutchison, Kay Bailey (R-TX)
Sen. Cornyn, John (R-TX)
Sen. Coleman, Norm (R-MN
Rep. Blunt, Roy (R-MO-7th
Sen. Graham, Lindsey (R-SC)
Sen. McCain, John (R-AZ)
Sen Roberts, Pat (R-Ks)
Faiz, there is no such word as “anyways.”
July 24th, 2005 at 12:56 pmCheck your Dictionary Walt.
July 24th, 2005 at 2:16 pmFaiz, there is no such word as “anyways.�
Comment by Walt  July 24, 2005 @ 12:56 pm
Walt, there is no such word as “Walt”.
And the (.) goes outside the (”") in this case.
July 24th, 2005 at 2:38 pmNovak doesn’t sleep, he sucks ROve’s d”k at night – that’s how he learns all those secrets
July 24th, 2005 at 7:14 pmVRWC is deeply in denial about the realities of the spy business and I think intentionally warps the timeline to try to avoid addressing the fact that again the Republican party as part of its strategy to maintain political power has committed treason and worked actively against national interests. It is high time that any successor to this current maladministration pursue a full, serious, and overarching inquiry into these issues. If Bush II, like his father, decides to spend Christmas writing presidential pardons for people who can be compelled to testify against him, then the pardoned persons should be compelled to testify in a truth commission much like South Africa following apartheid. This is the only way to bring back the citizenry’s faith in our representative democracy.
July 24th, 2005 at 7:44 pmNovak is a worm, a weasel — evil never sleeps.
July 24th, 2005 at 11:00 pmMarie would know about evil not sleeping
Novak
July 24th, 2005 at 11:53 pmSooooo mature, says the valley girl…
July 25th, 2005 at 6:54 amHey Troll er, ah, Ye, please refrain from nonsense and childlike name calling. I really hope you aren’t wasting my taxpayer dollars while “hard” at work. This site is for identifying problems and working together to fix them. You aren’t “representing” very well – wherever you stand (still unclear).
July 25th, 2005 at 2:07 pmYou have to have a soul and a conscience to be unable to sleep when you knowing commit treason, even as a co-conspirator.
July 25th, 2005 at 3:39 pmNovak does NOT sleep at night. He rests in his coffin by day. He goes OUT at night. Just kiddin’.
My question is: why is he still employed? Why doesn’t the MSM eschew a traitor? Why is he still active spreading Republican lies?
I don’t get it, unless there’s NO SUCH THING as the “librul media.”
July 25th, 2005 at 4:56 pm[...] But for those of us who were already wondering how Novak sleeps at night, Novak’s ability to live with himself through all of this has just become even more incomprehensible. Going to work and being plied with questions while your pseudo-counterpart from the Times, Judith Miller, sits in jail is somewhat unfair, though likely grueling on both sides. But going on vacation while she’s in jail? How do you do it, Bob Novak? [...]
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