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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/25/white-house-hide/comment-page-2/#comment-77727</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ND,

 why are you so angry?  You&#039;re party controls everything -
 and soon up to and including the Judiciary.
 
 Excuse some of us for not liking the air we breathe being
 dirtier. Not liking tax cuts for the rich at the expense 
 of everyone else. Not liking health care being ignored.
 Not liking a b.s. war for profit. Not liking the same 
 that proclaim support for the troops - short change them
 on armor. Not liking the attempt to eliminate Social 
 Security. Not liking being lied to about WMD, Al-Queda/Iraq
 connection, prison with no trail, staining our reputation
 by Abu Grhaib torture, taking away our overtime, 
 acceleration of outsourcing. The list of grievences are 
 huge and we a just supposed to shut up? Your party is 
 in power and your STILL complain. Just cause the GOP
 says they are the party of ideas - what EFN ideas might
 those be - and which have benefited the average American.
 - mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ND,</p>
<p> why are you so angry?  You&#8217;re party controls everything -<br />
 and soon up to and including the Judiciary.</p>
<p> Excuse some of us for not liking the air we breathe being<br />
 dirtier. Not liking tax cuts for the rich at the expense<br />
 of everyone else. Not liking health care being ignored.<br />
 Not liking a b.s. war for profit. Not liking the same<br />
 that proclaim support for the troops &#8211; short change them<br />
 on armor. Not liking the attempt to eliminate Social<br />
 Security. Not liking being lied to about WMD, Al-Queda/Iraq<br />
 connection, prison with no trail, staining our reputation<br />
 by Abu Grhaib torture, taking away our overtime,<br />
 acceleration of outsourcing. The list of grievences are<br />
 huge and we a just supposed to shut up? Your party is<br />
 in power and your STILL complain. Just cause the GOP<br />
 says they are the party of ideas &#8211; what EFN ideas might<br />
 those be &#8211; and which have benefited the average American.<br />
 &#8211; mike<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=77727', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: The Janitors, American Federalist Urinal</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/25/white-house-hide/comment-page-2/#comment-76841</link>
		<dc:creator>The Janitors, American Federalist Urinal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;The American people were so offended by the bin laden memo, they re-elected Bush and his party with historic majorities. Most people blame Clinton anyway except for the very far left.&lt;/em&gt;


Most people blame our Bush now. And I don&#039;t know what you are smoking but the 2004 win was a squeaker. It was the smallest margin in history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The American people were so offended by the bin laden memo, they re-elected Bush and his party with historic majorities. Most people blame Clinton anyway except for the very far left.</em></p>
<p>Most people blame our Bush now. And I don&#8217;t know what you are smoking but the 2004 win was a squeaker. It was the smallest margin in history.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=76841', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Clandy Stein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clandy Stein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Sara, thanks for the comment. Of course you may pass along my post.

To Northeast Dilemma,

Bro, you need to go back to school. Historic majorities? Where do you get that math? Bush BARELY edged out Kerry, and only by winning a state whose voting procedures were rife with problems, almost always in Democratic precincts.

Also, shut you trap once and for all about liberals being terrorist sympathizers. I don&#039;t mind insulting fools and you deserve the full brunt. Your kind of inane and overly sweeping comment is the same sort of generalization used to paint entire populations as inferior. You systemically think and act like a racist. I do not think all Republicans and conservatives are bad people. I think most of their leaders genuinely are. Do you really think half the citizens of this country are terrorist sympathizers? If you believe so, this proves your egregious intolerance and inability to nuance. It makes you an idiot, an intellectual pit of ignorance. 

Blah, blah, blah... that is the substance of what you offer. Your opinions are devoid of insight because you stereotype millions and millions of people. Do you personally know every single liberal? If not, then you must accept your ignorance about their private beliefs. If you continue sticking to your accusations, b.s. that is COMPLETELY UNFOUNDED, then you&#039;re nothing but a divisive and juvenile contrarian. The only group in this country that seems to operate with a cohesive mindset is your beloved GOP, and much of what they do and say grows from a fear of being ostracized by their peers. They may not believe that Bush is truthful, but saying so will risk their relationships. 

Your party has always been against diversity, and again, don&#039;t bring up Lincoln. I&#039;ve already explained the process by which the antbellum Republican party, in those days the good guys, took a turn away from core principle following Reconstruction, mainly by appealing to xenophobia and racism. Antebellum Republican beliefs are now owned by Democrats. Antebellum Democrat beliefs are now owned by Republicans. Your party used to be Luke Skywalker. Now it&#039;s Darth Vader.

Anyway, when you say such pointless things as liberals have no credibility, you fail to understand that even many Republicans support their core principles, such as quality education, a woman&#039;s right to choose, protection of the environment, etc., which gives these issues a majority support and majority credibility. Further, liberals have credibility among themselves, which is at least HALF of the nation. So let&#039;s get this straight: in your smug self-righteousness, in your refusal to acknowledge the errors of your leaders, you suggest that every other American is a traitor, simply because we question the actions of those who now run the government. Now you don&#039;t just need a math refresher, you need some boning up on what it MEANS TO BE AN AMERICAN. A true American NEVER takes the word of our leaders at face value. A true American reserves the right and even the duty to hold out leaders accountable. That&#039;s all we&#039;re doing, Mac. We&#039;re asking why and we&#039;re trying to remind Bush and all that they work for us. We do not work for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Sara, thanks for the comment. Of course you may pass along my post.</p>
<p>To Northeast Dilemma,</p>
<p>Bro, you need to go back to school. Historic majorities? Where do you get that math? Bush BARELY edged out Kerry, and only by winning a state whose voting procedures were rife with problems, almost always in Democratic precincts.</p>
<p>Also, shut you trap once and for all about liberals being terrorist sympathizers. I don&#8217;t mind insulting fools and you deserve the full brunt. Your kind of inane and overly sweeping comment is the same sort of generalization used to paint entire populations as inferior. You systemically think and act like a racist. I do not think all Republicans and conservatives are bad people. I think most of their leaders genuinely are. Do you really think half the citizens of this country are terrorist sympathizers? If you believe so, this proves your egregious intolerance and inability to nuance. It makes you an idiot, an intellectual pit of ignorance. </p>
<p>Blah, blah, blah&#8230; that is the substance of what you offer. Your opinions are devoid of insight because you stereotype millions and millions of people. Do you personally know every single liberal? If not, then you must accept your ignorance about their private beliefs. If you continue sticking to your accusations, b.s. that is COMPLETELY UNFOUNDED, then you&#8217;re nothing but a divisive and juvenile contrarian. The only group in this country that seems to operate with a cohesive mindset is your beloved GOP, and much of what they do and say grows from a fear of being ostracized by their peers. They may not believe that Bush is truthful, but saying so will risk their relationships. </p>
<p>Your party has always been against diversity, and again, don&#8217;t bring up Lincoln. I&#8217;ve already explained the process by which the antbellum Republican party, in those days the good guys, took a turn away from core principle following Reconstruction, mainly by appealing to xenophobia and racism. Antebellum Republican beliefs are now owned by Democrats. Antebellum Democrat beliefs are now owned by Republicans. Your party used to be Luke Skywalker. Now it&#8217;s Darth Vader.</p>
<p>Anyway, when you say such pointless things as liberals have no credibility, you fail to understand that even many Republicans support their core principles, such as quality education, a woman&#8217;s right to choose, protection of the environment, etc., which gives these issues a majority support and majority credibility. Further, liberals have credibility among themselves, which is at least HALF of the nation. So let&#8217;s get this straight: in your smug self-righteousness, in your refusal to acknowledge the errors of your leaders, you suggest that every other American is a traitor, simply because we question the actions of those who now run the government. Now you don&#8217;t just need a math refresher, you need some boning up on what it MEANS TO BE AN AMERICAN. A true American NEVER takes the word of our leaders at face value. A true American reserves the right and even the duty to hold out leaders accountable. That&#8217;s all we&#8217;re doing, Mac. We&#8217;re asking why and we&#8217;re trying to remind Bush and all that they work for us. We do not work for them.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=76635', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, you&#039;ve tuned us out so successfully that you argue with us every day. Whose the nutty one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, you&#8217;ve tuned us out so successfully that you argue with us every day. Whose the nutty one?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=76614', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: The Northeast Dilemma</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Northeast Dilemma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kindness - I just think it&#039;s a little disingeunous for terrorist sympathizers like yourself to bring up that Aug 6th memo.  If we did catch Bin Laden before 9/11, you would just complain about his treatment at any detention facility we put him in.  

You don&#039;t get it - LIBERALS have NO credibility whatsoever on the issue of terrorism.  People tune you out.  The sooner you realize that, the better off you will be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kindness &#8211; I just think it&#8217;s a little disingeunous for terrorist sympathizers like yourself to bring up that Aug 6th memo.  If we did catch Bin Laden before 9/11, you would just complain about his treatment at any detention facility we put him in.  </p>
<p>You don&#8217;t get it &#8211; LIBERALS have NO credibility whatsoever on the issue of terrorism.  People tune you out.  The sooner you realize that, the better off you will be.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=76592', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: kindness</title>
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		<dc:creator>kindness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>really good post.  Tied up and wrapped like a nice present.  How do we get the majority of the press to publish it?

ned - what a twit.  C&#039;mon, do better than that inept attempt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>really good post.  Tied up and wrapped like a nice present.  How do we get the majority of the press to publish it?</p>
<p>ned &#8211; what a twit.  C&#8217;mon, do better than that inept attempt.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=76588', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Vinilo Suave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vinilo Suave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>49 P.S Next week, we will work on the homonyms: YOUR, YOU&#039;RE, YORE.  (Do not get all crawly about &quot;homonyms.&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>49 P.S Next week, we will work on the homonyms: YOUR, YOU&#8217;RE, YORE.  (Do not get all crawly about &#8220;homonyms.&#8221;)<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=76567', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Marblex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marblex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roberts, of course, was rewarded with a SCOTUS nomination for rubber-stamping Chimpus Maximus&#039; Imperial power to throw anyone he likes into prison indefinitely, for any reason, providing only the most razor thin sham of a &quot;trial&quot; where the accused enjoys no presumption of innocence and has no fifth or sixth amendment rights whatsoever to confront witnesses or see evidence against him.  In fact, any American citizen can now be incarcerated, tortured, &quot;tried&quot; and convicted on secret evidence and charges at der Shrubenfuehrer&#039;s whim.

Yeah.  Roberts should have no trouble being confirmed here in the Land of the Free, which proudly incarcerates 25% of its population.

Welcome to New Weimar.

LIBERTY REQUIRES VIGILANCE AND SOON ELUDES THOSE WHO SLEEP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roberts, of course, was rewarded with a SCOTUS nomination for rubber-stamping Chimpus Maximus&#8217; Imperial power to throw anyone he likes into prison indefinitely, for any reason, providing only the most razor thin sham of a &#8220;trial&#8221; where the accused enjoys no presumption of innocence and has no fifth or sixth amendment rights whatsoever to confront witnesses or see evidence against him.  In fact, any American citizen can now be incarcerated, tortured, &#8220;tried&#8221; and convicted on secret evidence and charges at der Shrubenfuehrer&#8217;s whim.</p>
<p>Yeah.  Roberts should have no trouble being confirmed here in the Land of the Free, which proudly incarcerates 25% of its population.</p>
<p>Welcome to New Weimar.</p>
<p>LIBERTY REQUIRES VIGILANCE AND SOON ELUDES THOSE WHO SLEEP.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=76558', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Vinilo Suave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vinilo Suave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the interest of assisting the No-necks, who have difficulty getting past, &quot;Liar, liar, pants on fire,&quot; when they launch their blathering rodomontades against &quot;Lefties,&quot; I offer the following taken from my sainted mother&#039;s thesaurus: DECEPTION--N. deception, falseness,untruth,imposture, fraud, deceit, guile, covin, knavery, cunning, misrepresentation, gullery, bluff, jugglery, sleight of hand, legerdemain,hocus-pocus, trickery, coggery, chicanery [also: dick chicanery], cozenage, trick, cheat, wile, ruse,feint, plant, bubble, thimble-rig, artful dodge, machination, swindle, hoax, counterfeit, sham, scagolia, ormolu, man of straw.  

There are, of course, more, but let&#039;s get these under control.  Thank you for your very kind attention and lots of other things that I could mention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the interest of assisting the No-necks, who have difficulty getting past, &#8220;Liar, liar, pants on fire,&#8221; when they launch their blathering rodomontades against &#8220;Lefties,&#8221; I offer the following taken from my sainted mother&#8217;s thesaurus: DECEPTION&#8211;N. deception, falseness,untruth,imposture, fraud, deceit, guile, covin, knavery, cunning, misrepresentation, gullery, bluff, jugglery, sleight of hand, legerdemain,hocus-pocus, trickery, coggery, chicanery [also: dick chicanery], cozenage, trick, cheat, wile, ruse,feint, plant, bubble, thimble-rig, artful dodge, machination, swindle, hoax, counterfeit, sham, scagolia, ormolu, man of straw.  </p>
<p>There are, of course, more, but let&#8217;s get these under control.  Thank you for your very kind attention and lots of other things that I could mention.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=76546', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: The Northeast Dilemma</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Northeast Dilemma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The American people were so offended by the bin laden memo, they re-elected Bush and his party with historic majorities.  Most people blame Clinton anyway except for the very far left.

You people should take the advice of every living solicitor general, Dem and Repub, and knock off the doc request.  I think litmus testing candidates the way liberals do is called McCarthyism.  Pretty scary - good thing polls show Roberts will get confirmed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The American people were so offended by the bin laden memo, they re-elected Bush and his party with historic majorities.  Most people blame Clinton anyway except for the very far left.</p>
<p>You people should take the advice of every living solicitor general, Dem and Repub, and knock off the doc request.  I think litmus testing candidates the way liberals do is called McCarthyism.  Pretty scary &#8211; good thing polls show Roberts will get confirmed.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=76401', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marblex,

Whew....you&#039;ve said a mouthful. Excellent post as always.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marblex,</p>
<p>Whew&#8230;.you&#8217;ve said a mouthful. Excellent post as always.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=76373', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Marblex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marblex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LET&#039;S PLAY:  &lt;b&gt;CONNECT THE DOTS&lt;/b&gt;

1.  Plame outing ==&gt; BULLSHIT YELLOWCAKE STORY
2.  B.S. YC S    ==&gt; Other bullshit WMD stories
3.  O. B.S. WMD S==&gt; 9/11
4.  9/11         ==&gt; PNAC
5.  PNAC         ==&gt; Adolescent world domination fantasy.  READ ABOUT IT HERE:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/publicationsreports.htm

Now, the PNAC report you want to start with is the one entitled &quot;Rebuilding America&#039;s Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century&quot;.  Here is an excerpt that should be of particular interest.   It appears on page 51, left column, paragraph two:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event Ã¢â‚¬â€œ like a new Pearl Harbor.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, all of page 51 is of special interest. Especially the part about controlling space and cyberspace.

But most importantly, what luck! They got just such a &lt;i&gt;catalyzing, catastrophic event&lt;/i&gt; on September 11, 2001, just months after returning to power!  (Read below the history of the personnel in this administration) Now, couple that with what you can read here. . .  
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf  (More on this important document below)

Here is a great site that will give you any details you want to know about the people at PNAC
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/pnac.htm

And to watch a video that explains PNAC in simple terms, click here
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/barrysays.wmv

for a Quicktime version of this video, click here
http://www.knife-party.net/flash/barry.html

&quot;PNAC is not America. They are the radical, idealistic, terrorists who have hijacked it, and are well on their way to completely destroying it. Not in the empty rhetorical way that conservatives have been shreiking about &quot;liberals are ruining America&quot;, I mean the actually systematic destruction of Americas image, military, economy, environment, constitution, educational system, workers rights, manufacturing industry, future, the list goes on and on. And it isn&#039;t conservatives who are responsible for this destruction. It&#039;s just this group of radicals within the conservative camp.&quot; SHIFTERX @ SPOCK&#039;S

ALL OF THESE EVENTS ARE TIED TOGETHER.  THE TRAIL OF BLOOD AND GORE LEADS DIRECTLY TO DICK CHENEYBURTON AND THE INTERNATIONAL BANKING AND &quot;INVESTMENT&quot; COMMUNITY THAT PROFITS DIRECTLY BY THE MISERY OF OTHERS.  

The United States has a three-part manifest for bringing smaller nations under its thrall. 

 &lt;b&gt;First&lt;/b&gt;, an &quot;economic&quot; approach is attempted.  The nation is offered a ridiculously high, mega-interest loan that it can never, ever pay off.  As a condition to the loan, the nation agrees to &quot;privatize&quot; all of its industries and eliminate social programs, thereby promptly disenfranchising and impoverishing a majority of its population.  

&lt;b&gt;Second&lt;/b&gt; if &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; doesn&#039;t work, then a coup is attempted, usually with the assistance of friendly locals.

&lt;b&gt;Third&lt;/b&gt; if neither one nor two above works, then an all-out military invasion is staged.
&lt;i&gt;Confessions of an Economic Hit Man&lt;/i&gt;  by John Perkins.

During the Eisenhower administration, the U.S. attempted to oust newly installed Cuban dictator Fidel Castro, who had destroyed and displaced the U.S. puppet Batista regime.  Oh, how they hate Fidel. 

Fidel rejected the &quot;free (uhm I mean &quot;rigged&quot;) market capitalism&quot; and &quot;free trade&quot; policies of the U.S.  He recognized how terrible they were for the vast majority of people.  Fidel refused U.S. aid;  refused a loan, which of course, set plan &quot;B&quot; into action.  Obviously, the many attempts that have been made covertly to depose Fidel over the last 70 years have failed abysmally.

During Kennedy&#039;s administration, efforts were made to drum up American support for Option &quot;C&quot; -- an all-out invasion of Cuba.  First, there were a series of strange hijackings of commercial airliners, by Cuban nationals who had escaped from Castro&#039;s Cuba.  Yet now, for some inexplicable reason (never given of course) they were hijacking American airliners and demanding to be flown to Havana!  

These hijackings failed to engender sufficient American support to justify war with Cuba.  Though there was a contingency plan, which contemplated escalating these &quot;terror&quot; attacks.

You can find it in a document called &quot;Operation Northwoods&quot;.  
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf

Fortunatley, the Kennedy administration never was crazy enough to go to the extremes advocated in the Northwoods document;  Johnson and Nixon had Vietnam.  But Chimpy?  What did he have?  Questionable legitimacy;  a failed economy; 45 million uninsured for health care;  25% of the population of the Land of the Free IN PRISON;  extreme unpopularity;  no ideas; growing discontent  and then....

VOILA!  &lt;i&gt;a catalyzing, catastrophic event&lt;/i&gt;

 Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Cheney, et. al., ALL OF WHOM WERE INVOLVED (and behind) IN THE WOULD-BE IMPERIAL NIXON ADMINISTRATION (as well as Reagan and Bush I) had access to Operation Northwoods documents. You can see how it starts to come together, but you have to look at this thing as an operation that spans decades, not just the few years since they came to power. 

THIS IS A PLAN OF DECADES COMING TO FRUITION:  TO CREATE A CORPORATE THEOCRACY WHERE A SERVANT CLASS PROVIDES LABOR TO THE FILTHY RICH IN EXCHANGE FOR ROOM, BOARD AND MINIMUM HEALTH CARE (got to keep the slaves alive) 

Why hasn&#039;t it come to fruition yet?  PNAC&#039;s plan for world domination isn&#039;t working out how they had planned because it was delayed by about 8 years. They were counting on a second term for Bush the elder. 9/11 likely would have taken place on September 11, 1993, 20 years to the day of Nixon&#039;s Chilean coup (see Plan &quot;B&quot; above) During this time of course, Bush Sr. was CIA director.  The CIA is the agency that carries out these black ops on behalf of the U.S.  Also On September 11, 1991 Bush Sr. first announced the onset of &lt;b&gt;The New World Order&lt;/b&gt;.

However, they did not count on H. Ross Perot gumming up the works in &#039;92.  He split the conservative vote and thwarted the Bush Sr.&#039;s second term.  

These guys went though Watergate....hell they cut their teeth on it.  They learned from Watergate that the press had to be controlled.  So they spent the next 40 years buying up media.  That&#039;s why the mass media is a marketing and advertising tool instead of a legitimate journalistic enterprise.

And, in light of 1992 and 1996, in 2000 they made sure the pesky choice of American voters wouldn&#039;t thwart them again . . . they have DieBold now. 

HOWEVER:

Like all short-sighted, live-for-the-moment and care about only immeidate profit and gain corporate asshats, their solutions are/were not far-reaching enough.

MEDIA CONTROL HAS NOT WORKED:

If Bush Sr. had been reelected, it is unklikely that we would have the internet, at least in it&#039;s current form, and frankly the net is the biggest reason this group is having so much trouble.   They control all the mainstream press (making an adjustment from another mistake, when they tried to establish an imperial presidency under Nixon), but the net let&#039;s people circumnavigate the newscasters and find out what&#039;s really going on in the world. Thank you H. Ross Perot!!!:D  However, BEWARE!  They want to control the internet TOO and they are already dreaming up numerous bullshit reasons to do it.

DIEBOLD WORKED IN 2000 AND 2004 BUT WON&#039;T WORK AGAIN

The sheeple are on to these paperless black boxes and many jurisdictions are simply refusing to use them.  Also several state legislatures have begun to enact or draft rules governing access to voting equipment before during and after a vote, as well as making efforts to distribute access more evenly.

It is extremely unlikely that another rigged vote will work because there is no basis for the media to claim that the choice of the American people is &quot;evenly divided&quot;.  If anything the lie has been given to that claim, particularly in light of &quot;meat&quot; issues like Schiavo that have demonstrated that these fringe lunatics are still in the extreme, even if they have bought and cheated their way into power.

But the point is, the delay in the execution of their evil plot by the intervening Clinton terms forced them to reach to fast and too far to make up for lost time when they finally got back into power in 200.  Though it would have been much easier to connect Saddam&#039;s Iraq to 9/11 if it had happened on schedule, just 2 years removed from the Gulf War, they did not have that advantage any longer.  Such a tenable connection would have made it easier to build a stronger coalition to invade and secure Iraq.

Instead, they got arrogant, sloppy and desparate.

&lt;b&gt;IN FACT, they have already planned the next 9/11 attack and who they intend to pin it on:&lt;/b&gt;

&quot;The Pentagon, acting under instructions from Vice President Dick Cheney&#039;s office, has tasked the United States Strategic Command (STRATCOM) with drawing up a contingency plan to be employed in response to another 9/11-type terrorist attack on the United States. The plan includes a large-scale air assault on Iran employing both conventional and tactical nuclear weapons. Within Iran there are more than 450 major strategic targets, including numerous suspected nuclear-weapons-program development sites. Many of the targets are hardened or are deep underground and could not be taken out by conventional weapons, hence the nuclear option.&quot; 
READ MORE:  http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/7/22/164841/163

Now, before the next 9/11 happens (and you know it will) ask yourself:  What would IRAN have to gain by staging a terrorist attack on U.S. SOIL?

Ergo, why does the Cheney administration already have plans to NUKE IRAN after the next terrorist attack?  How can they possibly know there will be one (*choke*) and even assuming so, how can they possibly know it will have been IRAN that did it?

Does anyone besides me smell a rat?  

GET A CLUE PEOPLE.  9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB.  THEY PLAN TO DO IT AGAIN, WITH THEIR POLLS IN THE TOILET;  THE LAW CATCHING UP WITH THEM AT LONG LAST AND LITERALLY NOTHING TO LOSE

And when it happens, will you then believe?

Ã¢â‚¬Å“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.Ã¢â‚¬?  BEN FRANKLIN</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LET&#8217;S PLAY:  <b>CONNECT THE DOTS</b></p>
<p>1.  Plame outing ==&gt; BULLSHIT YELLOWCAKE STORY<br />
2.  B.S. YC S    ==&gt; Other bullshit WMD stories<br />
3.  O. B.S. WMD S==&gt; 9/11<br />
4.  9/11         ==&gt; PNAC<br />
5.  PNAC         ==&gt; Adolescent world domination fantasy.  READ ABOUT IT HERE:<br />
<a href="http://www.newamericancentury.org/publicationsreports.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.newamericancentury.org/publicationsreports.htm</a></p>
<p>Now, the PNAC report you want to start with is the one entitled &#8220;Rebuilding America&#8217;s Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century&#8221;.  Here is an excerpt that should be of particular interest.   It appears on page 51, left column, paragraph two:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event Ã¢â‚¬â€œ like a new Pearl Harbor.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Actually, all of page 51 is of special interest. Especially the part about controlling space and cyberspace.</p>
<p>But most importantly, what luck! They got just such a <i>catalyzing, catastrophic event</i> on September 11, 2001, just months after returning to power!  (Read below the history of the personnel in this administration) Now, couple that with what you can read here. . .<br />
<a href="http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf</a>  (More on this important document below)</p>
<p>Here is a great site that will give you any details you want to know about the people at PNAC<br />
<a href="http://www.oldamericancentury.org/pnac.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.oldamericancentury.org/pnac.htm</a></p>
<p>And to watch a video that explains PNAC in simple terms, click here<br />
<a href="http://www.oldamericancentury.org/barrysays.wmv" rel="nofollow">http://www.oldamericancentury.org/barrysays.wmv</a></p>
<p>for a Quicktime version of this video, click here<br />
<a href="http://www.knife-party.net/flash/barry.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.knife-party.net/flash/barry.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;PNAC is not America. They are the radical, idealistic, terrorists who have hijacked it, and are well on their way to completely destroying it. Not in the empty rhetorical way that conservatives have been shreiking about &#8220;liberals are ruining America&#8221;, I mean the actually systematic destruction of Americas image, military, economy, environment, constitution, educational system, workers rights, manufacturing industry, future, the list goes on and on. And it isn&#8217;t conservatives who are responsible for this destruction. It&#8217;s just this group of radicals within the conservative camp.&#8221; SHIFTERX @ SPOCK&#8217;S</p>
<p>ALL OF THESE EVENTS ARE TIED TOGETHER.  THE TRAIL OF BLOOD AND GORE LEADS DIRECTLY TO DICK CHENEYBURTON AND THE INTERNATIONAL BANKING AND &#8220;INVESTMENT&#8221; COMMUNITY THAT PROFITS DIRECTLY BY THE MISERY OF OTHERS.  </p>
<p>The United States has a three-part manifest for bringing smaller nations under its thrall. </p>
<p> <b>First</b>, an &#8220;economic&#8221; approach is attempted.  The nation is offered a ridiculously high, mega-interest loan that it can never, ever pay off.  As a condition to the loan, the nation agrees to &#8220;privatize&#8221; all of its industries and eliminate social programs, thereby promptly disenfranchising and impoverishing a majority of its population.  </p>
<p><b>Second</b> if <i>that</i> doesn&#8217;t work, then a coup is attempted, usually with the assistance of friendly locals.</p>
<p><b>Third</b> if neither one nor two above works, then an all-out military invasion is staged.<br />
<i>Confessions of an Economic Hit Man</i>  by John Perkins.</p>
<p>During the Eisenhower administration, the U.S. attempted to oust newly installed Cuban dictator Fidel Castro, who had destroyed and displaced the U.S. puppet Batista regime.  Oh, how they hate Fidel. </p>
<p>Fidel rejected the &#8220;free (uhm I mean &#8220;rigged&#8221;) market capitalism&#8221; and &#8220;free trade&#8221; policies of the U.S.  He recognized how terrible they were for the vast majority of people.  Fidel refused U.S. aid;  refused a loan, which of course, set plan &#8220;B&#8221; into action.  Obviously, the many attempts that have been made covertly to depose Fidel over the last 70 years have failed abysmally.</p>
<p>During Kennedy&#8217;s administration, efforts were made to drum up American support for Option &#8220;C&#8221; &#8212; an all-out invasion of Cuba.  First, there were a series of strange hijackings of commercial airliners, by Cuban nationals who had escaped from Castro&#8217;s Cuba.  Yet now, for some inexplicable reason (never given of course) they were hijacking American airliners and demanding to be flown to Havana!  </p>
<p>These hijackings failed to engender sufficient American support to justify war with Cuba.  Though there was a contingency plan, which contemplated escalating these &#8220;terror&#8221; attacks.</p>
<p>You can find it in a document called &#8220;Operation Northwoods&#8221;.<br />
<a href="http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf</a></p>
<p>Fortunatley, the Kennedy administration never was crazy enough to go to the extremes advocated in the Northwoods document;  Johnson and Nixon had Vietnam.  But Chimpy?  What did he have?  Questionable legitimacy;  a failed economy; 45 million uninsured for health care;  25% of the population of the Land of the Free IN PRISON;  extreme unpopularity;  no ideas; growing discontent  and then&#8230;.</p>
<p>VOILA!  <i>a catalyzing, catastrophic event</i></p>
<p> Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Cheney, et. al., ALL OF WHOM WERE INVOLVED (and behind) IN THE WOULD-BE IMPERIAL NIXON ADMINISTRATION (as well as Reagan and Bush I) had access to Operation Northwoods documents. You can see how it starts to come together, but you have to look at this thing as an operation that spans decades, not just the few years since they came to power. </p>
<p>THIS IS A PLAN OF DECADES COMING TO FRUITION:  TO CREATE A CORPORATE THEOCRACY WHERE A SERVANT CLASS PROVIDES LABOR TO THE FILTHY RICH IN EXCHANGE FOR ROOM, BOARD AND MINIMUM HEALTH CARE (got to keep the slaves alive) </p>
<p>Why hasn&#8217;t it come to fruition yet?  PNAC&#8217;s plan for world domination isn&#8217;t working out how they had planned because it was delayed by about 8 years. They were counting on a second term for Bush the elder. 9/11 likely would have taken place on September 11, 1993, 20 years to the day of Nixon&#8217;s Chilean coup (see Plan &#8220;B&#8221; above) During this time of course, Bush Sr. was CIA director.  The CIA is the agency that carries out these black ops on behalf of the U.S.  Also On September 11, 1991 Bush Sr. first announced the onset of <b>The New World Order</b>.</p>
<p>However, they did not count on H. Ross Perot gumming up the works in &#8216;92.  He split the conservative vote and thwarted the Bush Sr.&#8217;s second term.  </p>
<p>These guys went though Watergate&#8230;.hell they cut their teeth on it.  They learned from Watergate that the press had to be controlled.  So they spent the next 40 years buying up media.  That&#8217;s why the mass media is a marketing and advertising tool instead of a legitimate journalistic enterprise.</p>
<p>And, in light of 1992 and 1996, in 2000 they made sure the pesky choice of American voters wouldn&#8217;t thwart them again . . . they have DieBold now. </p>
<p>HOWEVER:</p>
<p>Like all short-sighted, live-for-the-moment and care about only immeidate profit and gain corporate asshats, their solutions are/were not far-reaching enough.</p>
<p>MEDIA CONTROL HAS NOT WORKED:</p>
<p>If Bush Sr. had been reelected, it is unklikely that we would have the internet, at least in it&#8217;s current form, and frankly the net is the biggest reason this group is having so much trouble.   They control all the mainstream press (making an adjustment from another mistake, when they tried to establish an imperial presidency under Nixon), but the net let&#8217;s people circumnavigate the newscasters and find out what&#8217;s really going on in the world. Thank you H. Ross Perot!!!:D  However, BEWARE!  They want to control the internet TOO and they are already dreaming up numerous bullshit reasons to do it.</p>
<p>DIEBOLD WORKED IN 2000 AND 2004 BUT WON&#8217;T WORK AGAIN</p>
<p>The sheeple are on to these paperless black boxes and many jurisdictions are simply refusing to use them.  Also several state legislatures have begun to enact or draft rules governing access to voting equipment before during and after a vote, as well as making efforts to distribute access more evenly.</p>
<p>It is extremely unlikely that another rigged vote will work because there is no basis for the media to claim that the choice of the American people is &#8220;evenly divided&#8221;.  If anything the lie has been given to that claim, particularly in light of &#8220;meat&#8221; issues like Schiavo that have demonstrated that these fringe lunatics are still in the extreme, even if they have bought and cheated their way into power.</p>
<p>But the point is, the delay in the execution of their evil plot by the intervening Clinton terms forced them to reach to fast and too far to make up for lost time when they finally got back into power in 200.  Though it would have been much easier to connect Saddam&#8217;s Iraq to 9/11 if it had happened on schedule, just 2 years removed from the Gulf War, they did not have that advantage any longer.  Such a tenable connection would have made it easier to build a stronger coalition to invade and secure Iraq.</p>
<p>Instead, they got arrogant, sloppy and desparate.</p>
<p><b>IN FACT, they have already planned the next 9/11 attack and who they intend to pin it on:</b></p>
<p>&#8220;The Pentagon, acting under instructions from Vice President Dick Cheney&#8217;s office, has tasked the United States Strategic Command (STRATCOM) with drawing up a contingency plan to be employed in response to another 9/11-type terrorist attack on the United States. The plan includes a large-scale air assault on Iran employing both conventional and tactical nuclear weapons. Within Iran there are more than 450 major strategic targets, including numerous suspected nuclear-weapons-program development sites. Many of the targets are hardened or are deep underground and could not be taken out by conventional weapons, hence the nuclear option.&#8221;<br />
READ MORE:  <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/7/22/164841/163" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/7/22/164841/163</a></p>
<p>Now, before the next 9/11 happens (and you know it will) ask yourself:  What would IRAN have to gain by staging a terrorist attack on U.S. SOIL?</p>
<p>Ergo, why does the Cheney administration already have plans to NUKE IRAN after the next terrorist attack?  How can they possibly know there will be one (*choke*) and even assuming so, how can they possibly know it will have been IRAN that did it?</p>
<p>Does anyone besides me smell a rat?  </p>
<p>GET A CLUE PEOPLE.  9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB.  THEY PLAN TO DO IT AGAIN, WITH THEIR POLLS IN THE TOILET;  THE LAW CATCHING UP WITH THEM AT LONG LAST AND LITERALLY NOTHING TO LOSE</p>
<p>And when it happens, will you then believe?</p>
<p>Ã¢â‚¬Å“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.Ã¢â‚¬?  BEN FRANKLIN<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=76352', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/25/white-house-hide/comment-page-1/#comment-76330</link>
		<dc:creator>HUAC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We know how they came to power. It should be painfully obvious to most that their agenda was really more likw what Grover Norquist has suggested it was. To bankrupt the federal government so they can drown the baby in the bathtub. They don&#039;t even bother trying to hide it. That should be treason, too. 

http://www.mediatransparency.org/personprofile.php?personID=52</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We know how they came to power. It should be painfully obvious to most that their agenda was really more likw what Grover Norquist has suggested it was. To bankrupt the federal government so they can drown the baby in the bathtub. They don&#8217;t even bother trying to hide it. That should be treason, too. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.mediatransparency.org/personprofile.php?personID=52" rel="nofollow">http://www.mediatransparency.org/personprofile.php?personID=52</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=76330', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<dc:creator>GWB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 11:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment by Mike D. Ã¢â‚¬â€ July 25, 2005 @ 3:09 pm 

Mike,

Thank you for supporting my lies.  I wish the hate would go away; afterall, I know I ripped America and the world apart.  I know my thugs stole the election both times.  I have to help my rich masters who bought my soul and I know when I&#039;m at heaven&#039;s gate the gate will remain shut to me forever.  but I&#039;ll pray for you to get help really quickly.   

Don&#039;t do what I did buddy...get out while you can!  For the &quot;left&quot; is RIGHT.  I am a theif, a thug, a selfish conman, and I pray that my destructive actions on earth will help my friends here so much that it will make my loss of heaven worth it in the end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment by Mike D. Ã¢â‚¬â€ July 25, 2005 @ 3:09 pm </p>
<p>Mike,</p>
<p>Thank you for supporting my lies.  I wish the hate would go away; afterall, I know I ripped America and the world apart.  I know my thugs stole the election both times.  I have to help my rich masters who bought my soul and I know when I&#8217;m at heaven&#8217;s gate the gate will remain shut to me forever.  but I&#8217;ll pray for you to get help really quickly.   </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t do what I did buddy&#8230;get out while you can!  For the &#8220;left&#8221; is RIGHT.  I am a theif, a thug, a selfish conman, and I pray that my destructive actions on earth will help my friends here so much that it will make my loss of heaven worth it in the end.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=76309', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: HUAC</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/25/white-house-hide/comment-page-1/#comment-76289</link>
		<dc:creator>HUAC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And finally...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_tax</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And finally&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_tax" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_tax</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=76289', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: HUAC</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/25/white-house-hide/comment-page-1/#comment-76288</link>
		<dc:creator>HUAC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few more...

http://world.std.com/~mhuben/taxation.html

http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/tma68/geo-faq.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few more&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://world.std.com/~mhuben/taxation.html" rel="nofollow">http://world.std.com/~mhuben/taxation.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/tma68/geo-faq.htm" rel="nofollow">http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/tma68/geo-faq.htm</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=76288', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<dc:creator>HUAC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah,

http://evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html

This refutes many of the arguments made by &quot;tax protesters&quot; and wingnuts on the right.

http://www.psnw.com/~bashford/taxation.html

I hope this helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah,</p>
<p><a href="http://evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html" rel="nofollow">http://evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html</a></p>
<p>This refutes many of the arguments made by &#8220;tax protesters&#8221; and wingnuts on the right.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.psnw.com/~bashford/taxation.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.psnw.com/~bashford/taxation.html</a></p>
<p>I hope this helps.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=76286', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<dc:creator>HUAC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah, 

The flat tax is kind of like McTax. It will hit the poor and middle classes hardest. All the different forms of taxation that are proposed are designed to milk the middle class and the poor. I do think a simple, fair and progressive tax system could be devised as easily as pie. Forgive me for not knowing why there isn&#039;t one, except that such a system would not meet the requirements of the wealthy corporate interests. I will see if I can come up with some links, but I would start you here, the very first single tax idea proposed. It will surprise you.


http://www.progress.org/books/george.htm

Henry George also invented the game we now call &quot;Monopoly&quot;. He intended it as a teaching device. That idea was taken from him and no credit was given, either. It&#039;s odd when you realize that he was as well know as Twain and Edison over 100 yeas ago, and no one today has ever heard of him. I think there is a reason for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah, </p>
<p>The flat tax is kind of like McTax. It will hit the poor and middle classes hardest. All the different forms of taxation that are proposed are designed to milk the middle class and the poor. I do think a simple, fair and progressive tax system could be devised as easily as pie. Forgive me for not knowing why there isn&#8217;t one, except that such a system would not meet the requirements of the wealthy corporate interests. I will see if I can come up with some links, but I would start you here, the very first single tax idea proposed. It will surprise you.</p>
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<p>Henry George also invented the game we now call &#8220;Monopoly&#8221;. He intended it as a teaching device. That idea was taken from him and no credit was given, either. It&#8217;s odd when you realize that he was as well know as Twain and Edison over 100 yeas ago, and no one today has ever heard of him. I think there is a reason for that.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=76284', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 04:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if the flat tax, at a nice attractive low rate (I would be thrilled to pay less than 15% myself),would actually come out ahead as many very rich people pay nothing at all after deducting the Lear jet, etc? Anybody have some figures on this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if the flat tax, at a nice attractive low rate (I would be thrilled to pay less than 15% myself),would actually come out ahead as many very rich people pay nothing at all after deducting the Lear jet, etc? Anybody have some figures on this?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=76059', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: kindness</title>
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		<dc:creator>kindness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 03:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a supporter of the progressive tax that is like what we are supposed to have now.  Unfortunately, it seems as if every congressman around puts through bills to give credits and tax reductions for this and that.  That&#039;s how we ended up with this spagetti against the wall program as it stands.

Makes me think that a flat tax w/ no deductions would end up fairer.  It&#039;d be the only way to keep it fair too.  No adding tax &amp; accounting favors through ledgislation.  Is the flat tax my preferance?  No.  But if it ends up being fairer by forcing those who gots to pay their fair share, I could be persuaded to support it.  Now that whole No Deductions thing, that&#039;s the hard sell.  The middle class doesn&#039;t want to part with their home mortgage interest deduction.  No dependent writeoffs, no charity writeoffs.  You can see how unpopular and radicle a suggestion like that could be.  But it may very well be the only truly fair way to go about it.

One more reason I&#039;d never be a successful politician.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a supporter of the progressive tax that is like what we are supposed to have now.  Unfortunately, it seems as if every congressman around puts through bills to give credits and tax reductions for this and that.  That&#8217;s how we ended up with this spagetti against the wall program as it stands.</p>
<p>Makes me think that a flat tax w/ no deductions would end up fairer.  It&#8217;d be the only way to keep it fair too.  No adding tax &amp; accounting favors through ledgislation.  Is the flat tax my preferance?  No.  But if it ends up being fairer by forcing those who gots to pay their fair share, I could be persuaded to support it.  Now that whole No Deductions thing, that&#8217;s the hard sell.  The middle class doesn&#8217;t want to part with their home mortgage interest deduction.  No dependent writeoffs, no charity writeoffs.  You can see how unpopular and radicle a suggestion like that could be.  But it may very well be the only truly fair way to go about it.</p>
<p>One more reason I&#8217;d never be a successful politician.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=76053', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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