10/5/01: Bush Pulls Security Clearances From 92 Senators
10/5/01: Bush Pulls Security Clearances From 92 Senators
“We can’t have leaks of classified information. It’s not in our nation’s interest.” – President George W. Bush, 10/9/01
President Bush’s defiant statement came in the immediate weeks following 9/11, as the administration clamped down on the information it provided to Congress. President Bush issued an order limiting access to classified intelligence only to 8 members of Congress — the Speaker of the House, House Minority Leader, Senate Majority Leader, Senate Minority Leader, and chairmen and ranking members of the House and Senate intelligence committees.
What precipitated this course of action?
Gannett News Service reported on 10/1/01 that Bush was restricting information because, “The Washington Post reported last week that various lawmakers had been told there would be more terrorist attacks if the United States retaliated.”
Here’s what the Washington Post reported:
Asked whether more terrorist attacks are inevitable if the United States retaliates, [Sen. Richard] Shelby said, “You can bet on that.” U.S. intelligence officials have told members of Congress there is a high probability that terrorists associated with Osama bin Laden will try to launch another major attack on U.S. targets here or abroad. [Washington Post, 10/6/01]
So at this slightest whiff of evidence that information was being leaked, President Bush pulled classified intelligence access for 92 senators. There was no ongoing criminal investigation nor was there evidence that all the members who had their access limited had leaked information. And now he refuses to hold Karl Rove and Scooter Libby to anywhere near the same standard, despite confirmation of their involvement in the leak of an undercover CIA agent’s identity.
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Back then he was still puttin’ up a front. At this point in history they don’t give a rat’s a$s what the American People think of what they do. They thumb their noses at us knowing we can’t do a da*n thing about it.
July 26th, 2005 at 1:01 pmA double standard like this is to be expected from our corporate controlled admin.
Bush and Co has smoked us and its high time We The People took Control Of The Highest Office in The Country and Demand that this so called Naked Emperor strip those who “May” have hurt our CIA in Foreign countries of their Rights To National Security and hand them over to to the Grabd jury for indictment. Frog Walk EM all out of the W.H.
July 26th, 2005 at 1:06 pmWhat will liberals do if Rove is forced to resign?
Unlike Democrats, Republicans deal with their problems. If Rove is indicted – he’s gone. If he’s not – conservatives use this scandal to blundgeon the left as haters …. again. Not quite a win-win, but better than nothing.
July 26th, 2005 at 1:11 pmNortheast,
Republicans ‘deny’ their problems, they don’t deal with them. You’re a delusional little whack job if you believe differently… That’s why they’ve cried there’s no global warming for 2 decades, it’s why they still believe there’s creationism. The tact of the right is Deny, Delay and Deceive it isn’t Deal…
As for what would we do? We’d see if the president knew and ordered this to happen, it would be YET ANOTHER legitimate reason he should be impeached.
July 26th, 2005 at 1:16 pmRepublicans deal with their problems? That’s the funniest thing I’ve read on this website for a long time. Thanks NeD. For more laughs, tell us how to they “deal” with it? Lies? Coverups? Blocking access to records and evidence? Is that how you deal with your problems?
July 26th, 2005 at 1:23 pm…
Rove lied to Bush and McClellan
or Bush and McClellan lied to the American people.
Which is it?
We know that Rove leaked
and we KNOW that McClellan
spoke to Rove and then told
the American people that he had nothing to do with this.
For God’s sake, can we just pull his intelligence access
and get on with it.
It is so obvious that Bush is stalling. jesus!
….
July 26th, 2005 at 1:30 pmIt’s truly incredible that this adminstration gets away with what it does. Everyone in the White House and the Republican party are hypocrites. I sincerely hope the American People wake up to Bush and his lies, and he’s impeached and convicted.
July 26th, 2005 at 1:32 pmNortheast Dilemma said:
“Unlike Democrats, Republicans deal with their problems”
They sure do, in a body in the trunk sort of way.
July 26th, 2005 at 1:33 pmComparing the 2 situations is apples and oranges.
Bush responded to a leak of information by lawmakers in a climate of immediate crisis and danger. The information reported was rather benign (they will strike back if we retaliate) in that it wasn’t revealing strategic material (such as naming someone specifically). So I agree with his ‘over reaction’, because it’s better to overdo it in cases like this (immediate crisis and danger) and avoid getting burned than be too lenient and pick up the pieces later on.
Having discussed the apple, let’s get on to the orange.
How can we blame Bush for waiting it out; he wants to fire the person who is to blame; an action that he can’t take back. if the investigation isn’t even ‘targeting’ Rove (per his attorney), why should he jump the gun guarantee Rove’s indictment and subsequent conviction of something he isn’t even being investigated on.
July 26th, 2005 at 1:34 pmMikey,
They deal with by selling the WMDs to Iraq under Reagan, selling Plutonium reactors to Iran under Ford, Training and funding AlQueda under Reagan and Bush, and then ignore the fact that they created the mess around terrorism and WMDs in the first place. After all, if we don’t have a war industry to line the pockets of the Rumsfelds and the cronies of the country, they might invest some of that money in programs that help ‘poor people’. George Bush was once quoted as saying ‘poor people aren’t necessarily criminals’, which tells you everything you need to know about the mindsets of these whack jobs…
They don’t ‘deal’, they destroy. Dealing with problems what Democrats do – rebublicans only destroy programs that do this!
From EJDione…
“The fact is that every year 27 million Americans are lifted from poverty by our system of public benefits. More than 80 million Americans receive health insurance through a government program — Medicaid, Medicare or the State Children’s Health Insurance Program, known as SCHIP. Without these programs, tens of millions would be unable to afford access to medical care.”
The reality is that the social programs created by democratic leadership WORK – and that’s dealing with things. What republicans do is act like alcholic families. They close ranks to defend their dysfunction, because the truth is way to painful.
July 26th, 2005 at 1:34 pmIt’s not just Rove and Libby, but increasingly looks like all the President’s men – and women.
July 26th, 2005 at 1:39 pmHilarious, NeD! I just choked on my pretzel :)
Here’s how Pat Roberts (R-KS) is “DEALING” with Congressional oversight problems: Is he going to look into the leak of the CIA officer’s identity?
Or… wait….. is he going to go after FITZGERALD ??
[Sen. Pat Roberts (R-KS) spokeswoman Sarah Little said the Senate committee would also review the probe of special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, who has been investigating the Plame case for nearly two years.]
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/bush/articles/2005/07/25/congress_plans_to_scrutinize_plame_related_issues/
July 26th, 2005 at 1:43 pmAs I’ve posted a zillion times, Security Clearances aren’t a right – they are granted to you by whoever is authorized to provide a Security Clearance. It’s not innocent until proven guity – it’s clearance DENIED if there is any glimpse of suspicion of wrong doing – unless you are the most senior advisor to a Republican President. IOKIYAR.
July 26th, 2005 at 1:44 pm#13 – stop promoting a witch hunt. It’s disgusting and un-American. LOL!!!
I wish this didn’t make me laugh, but it does. There is nothing you fools can do to affect this.
July 26th, 2005 at 1:46 pmNeD,
what witchhunt? Rove isn’t a target of the investigation; in fact, hasn’t Bush said that he wants to find out if someone is involved with leaking information; if anything, the ‘witchhunt’ is on Bush’s orders. You can’t blame Fitzgerald or others for the information being found out on orders of the president.
July 26th, 2005 at 1:49 pmreasew or whatever your name is: Even though some people are calling for the firing of Rove right away, the issue most people agree on is that his clearance be revoked immediately. This is not different from what the chimp did to the senators in 2001. He can easily get his clearance change after the investigation is completed. BTW, senators can not be fired by the president but his advisers can and if he so choses, he can fire Karl immediately and re-hire him later. I don’t understand the thrust of your comment apart from just being another apologist…OY
July 26th, 2005 at 1:50 pmI don’t know about you, but I am laughing right now. Not at this, it’s pathetic. I’m laughing because the shills admonations of “Nothing happening here, just move along”
isn’t working this time & it’s killing them. They are so used to it working for them. Now THAT is funny.
Welcome back ned.
July 26th, 2005 at 1:53 pmreasew – it’s a political witch hunt, plain and simple. Sadly, it’s the only thing that can unite Democrats because they can’t oppose Roberts and they have no agenda for America. Remember this when the GOP pads their majority next mid-term. The shock will be priceless – what, MSM polls that don’t tell the truth!!!
AND if Bush does gain next term, expect him to RAM through some very conservative judges. Morons.
July 26th, 2005 at 1:55 pmKindness – explain to me what conservatives should be worried about. We’re the majority, buddy and we will ultimately drive this debate. This second term scandal might mean something if Democrats had a vision other than to destroy Bush.
I laugh at you too – it has to be awful being in the minority party!! lol!! LOSERS!!
July 26th, 2005 at 1:57 pm“Bush responded to a leak of information by lawmakers in a climate of immediate crisis and danger.”
Are you saying the danger has passed? Then why all the security on Metro?
You heard it, folks. Mission Accomplished. It is now safe to reveal CIA secrets!
July 26th, 2005 at 1:57 pmRegarding Apples and Oranges, did I miss something? It looked to me as though BushCo pulled the security clearance of the senators for nothing more than someone voicing an opinion that military action would bring the chickens home to roost (which it has in London, rather dramatically). Only he got away with it because everyone had already swallowed the first big lie… it doesn’t take any classified info to come up with the incredibly OBVIOUS link between us invading and them pushing back! Duh!!!
July 26th, 2005 at 1:59 pmAnd NeD, do you think that Rove is guilty? If he is, and if the trail leads provably upward to Bush, what will you do then? Sign the impeachment petition? Do you have the guts to CHANGE YOUR MIND in the face of the truth? Just curious…
I’m still waiting for a Repub member of the House or the Senate or a Governor to demand action on Rove-gate. All we get is Pat Roberts’ idea of an investigation that would investigate the special prosecutor’s investigation!!!
Oh well, the Dems have had a decade to try and win back the House…this is the ultimate result of their ineptitude.
July 26th, 2005 at 2:00 pmNed the idiot: I guess your knowledge of history is limited as does you IQ. Otherwise, you’d have realized that there was a time, a long time as a matter of fact, that the Democrats controlled everything. Maybe you should not take your current status to heart too much. Things change in politics all the time, that’s the nature of the game and you should know that you maroon!!!
July 26th, 2005 at 2:03 pmRepublican’s teacher or whatever your name is:
I am approaching this national dilemma (not just a northeastern one) from Bush’s mindset; not because I agree with it; but rather to try to understand his political maneuvering.
I would disagree with your assessment that Rove can be fired and then re-hired as it would go against Bush’s image of being a decisive leader. That’s why he changed his stance from ‘anyone involved’ to anyone ‘committing a crime’ regarding this investigation. His earliest stance would have required firing (not just removing security clearance) both Rove and Libby by now.
My spiel on Rove isn’t a ‘target’ of the investigation is all tongue in cheek. I mean, think about it, the gun isn’t smoking, it has exploded in his face and Bush still presses on with his ‘I want to know the truth behind this so I can fire someone.’ This is classical bush behavior: talk about doing something (i.e. hunt down Osama) and then just think about it (I think about him every day.).
So this is all par for the course. just like others in this post said earlier..stall, delay, but definitely not deal with the issue.
July 26th, 2005 at 2:04 pmSo Bush thinks he is doing “God’s work�. “God guides him� and “God speaks to him�.
I do believe he hears voices in his head.
I do believe those voices guide him.
I do believe he “thinks� he is doing God’s work.
I DON’T BELIEVE it is God speaking to him.
By his actions, I have determined what the voices in his head are telling him:
Install your buddies that helped you steal the election into the Supreme Court in other powerful positions.
Protect those that protect you.
Ruin anyone that opposes you.
Spy on those that don’t support you.
Deny people their rights, if they are powerless they can’t hurt you.
Hurriedly enact legislation that removes people’s rights of protection and privacy.
Repeat your lies until the uninformed believe them.
Pardon those that do your bidding and get caught. (Just like dad, a clip off the old shrub)
If meeting in public, screen and edit the audience.
Make a ceremony out of what should be announced in normal press conferences to take the heat OFF of any controversy in your administration.
Make your entrance from a hallway so you don’t have to pass by press that may ask embarrassing questions about what you are trying to take the attention AWAY FROM.
Refuse to be accountable to anyone.
Refuse to release information that is not flattering to you.
Authorize and cover up the release of any and all information that is not flattering to your detractors.
Cultivate fear, hatred, racism and intolerance in others.
Turn your hatred and intolerance into the law.
Use intolerance to justify future incarceration of gays.
Wait until the proper moment to lock up your social deviants and detractors.
And above all, don’t start the “final solution� until it is widely acceptable. (Remember Grand Pappy’s idol, and how it cost him the world order.)
That’s not right for America! It is a mental disturbance.
July 26th, 2005 at 2:04 pmIronically, had we pushed our advantage on the Afghan/Pakistan border, we might have wiped out al Qaeda and the camps where the London bombers were trained.
Of course, that would mean standing up to Musharraf and his lies. Something Bush is not willing to do.
July 26th, 2005 at 2:05 pmreasew, your last comment puts things in proper perspective. I only wished you had made that quite clear in your original comment. Although, I could see where you were coming from in your second post. Just a bit of confusion and misunderstanding.
July 26th, 2005 at 2:09 pmWho said Bush did not have ethics?
His ethics is not acceptable to the rest of world. But he looks good when he put on a military uniform. You with a new uniform and expectations of how low his ethics are, he will always look good when he speak a few good words.
His words will trump ethics any day.
July 26th, 2005 at 2:12 pmNortheast Dilemma – Your pride, and indeed the pride of all Republicans right now, will be the downfall of your party. Just because Democrats are in the minority right now does not, by any stretch of the imagination, mean they will be the Minority Party forever. Democrats were in the same Majority Party situation for a long time, much longer than the Republicans now have, and they lost their status. I think you need to study history more if you think that Republicans can do anything they want now that they are the party in power. Government should always be responsive to the People. Just because any one party controls all three branches of government doesn’t mean that they no longer have to serve the People. This whole Plame Affair is a violation of the Trust that is granted to our Elected Officals, given by the People who voted for them. You cannot destroy National Security assest for Partisan Political Gain. There will be a reckoning.
July 26th, 2005 at 2:16 pmsara, thanks for your question. I described the ‘leak’ of information by the senators in 01 as benign, because as you so ably described it as an ‘obvious link’ and ‘duh’. I also described Bush’s action as an ‘over reaction’. So Bush overplayed his hand by distrusting the senators from keeping their mouth shut on truly vital information.
It is apples and oranges because of this detail: Bush clamps down on senators for revealing ’secret intel’. Bush has to wait and see (2+ years) the results of investigation to see what he will do to the perpetrator. One was a meaningless tidbit in the paper; the other is a possible Watergate. hmm, wonder why bush is withholding comment and action on the latter.
It’s no mistake that the spin has been: Rove committed no crime even if he is guilty of doing what they say he did/he is not a target of the investigation and Bush saying “I will fire someone who is covicted of a crime.”
July 26th, 2005 at 2:16 pmbolero – you self-righteous fool! The hatefulness and invective of your party has already been the downfall of your party. Continue it for all I care – you people are nuts!
July 26th, 2005 at 2:21 pmIf Bush overreacted in ‘01, I’d like to see him overreact now. More accurately, in ‘03 when the leak happened.
July 26th, 2005 at 2:22 pmI’m so tired of all this crap. Nothing will happen to Bush & Co. Uphold Party Loyalty and in return the Republicans have offered up the best smorgasbord of all time. And the moronic democrats in their usual standard of tortured ethics refuse to line up for a plateful. We all should feast at the table and learn from the masters. The bottom line is the republicans will not back away from the table until the last crumb has been eaten. This is not about right from wrong, truth vs. lies, it’s about cha-ching $$$ and Iraq is the best smorgasbord around. C’mon the koolaid won’t last forever.
July 26th, 2005 at 2:23 pmrepub teacher: sorry..I guess I ‘forgot’ I was a (non-dues paying) member of the Dems for a moment (membership in the steering committee, notwithstanding, hehe).
cynical hippie (once a hippie, always a hippie, just kidding). LOL. Yes, the danger has passed..go shopping, travel and spend money indiscriminately.
July 26th, 2005 at 2:24 pmNortheast Diatribe, go back and read your own words. You don’t see the hate in them? bolero was right in pointing out that majorities change. They have. They will. The proper response is not to taunt and ridicule and pretend the present moment will last forever.
But if that’s your strategy, I’d say go for it. Clinton compromised, Bush bullies. You help make that clear to everyone.
July 26th, 2005 at 2:25 pm#23.
You are correct there was a time when Democrats did control everything and yes they did get overconfident and lose their power. But politics is a battle of ideas and guess what, your party is losing that battle. You have been losing since 1994 except no one is willing to realize it. So go on, keep bashing Bush all you want because it will get your party no further than it did last year! lol.
July 26th, 2005 at 2:32 pmNeD, are all the shirts in your closet brown?
July 26th, 2005 at 2:34 pmThe trolls are circling, twitching and choking. Beautiful!
July 26th, 2005 at 2:39 pmTreason at the Top: Can America Handle the Truth?
These last 5 years I have struggled to define -both for myself and in my ability to relate it to others- the many ways in which we are at a crossroads. This struggle has often been painful as my perspective
July 26th, 2005 at 2:41 pmNED- the dilemna appears to be your perception of reality. You should be as outraged as any Progressive; someone in the Bush Admin. outed an UNDERCOVER CIA AGENT working on WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION; this has compromised our NATIONAL SECURITY- are you not concerned by this? Are you not concerned that someone committed TREASON as political payback for… telling the truth? Forget the party affiliations and look at the facts- stop apologizing for friggin’ TRAITORS! Disgraceful this whole mess is, and you sit there and revel in the fact that you’re on the side of the “winners”- well, these “winners” don’t give a crap about you or me, their only concern is money and power and how to get more of each while they bankrupt the country, our futures, our children’s futures… and their very own souls. Bastards.
July 26th, 2005 at 2:55 pmWhy is it that conservative types who are still in the Elementary School level like to post here? Is there a blog out there which directs the alienated losers of the right here?
We really would appreciate someone who can form sentances, use logic and be civil. I’m not sure that advertizing would help. I was over lurking at redstate and they are either in a big circle jerk together or fighting with each other.
My theory? Rush Limbaugh rots brain cells. & don’t get me started on Mike Savage, Ann Coulter or Michelle Malkin. Ewww, I feel dirty just typing the names. Shudder….
July 26th, 2005 at 2:58 pmNeD and steve, just a little Obadiah to remind you (and all of us) where pride can lead us.
3 The pride of your heart has deceived you,
you who live in the clefts of the rocks
and make your home on the heights,
you who say to yourself,
‘Who can bring me down to the ground?’
4 Though you soar like the eagle
and make your nest among the stars,
from there I will bring you down,”
declares the LORD.
What you do with power is more important than having it. Despite their constant references to their christian faith, republicans have lost touch with the humility and responsiblity that drives the faith to ‘make known the mystery of the gospel.’
July 26th, 2005 at 2:58 pmCongress has a Constitutional duty to deliberate on and declare war, but they have virtually forfeited the right to perform these duties. They have become a ‘rubber-stamp’ body (as we often characterize the Chinese legislature), don’t do any significant deliberating, give the President (any President) a blank check to bomb and invade (or take no notice at all), and authorize as much money as the President asks for to carry out his nefarious schemes. Like Norman Solomon has written it’s War Made Easy. So, pulling their security clearances is just another little step for fascist-kind in an ongoing trend. Heck, the ‘intelligence’ wasn’t/isn’t that good anyhow, particularly on Iraq — they may be better off not reading it.
July 26th, 2005 at 2:59 pmAs for Rove, as Yogi said, It ain’t over ’til it’s over.
When the joint House-Senate Committee was investigating the 9/11 attacks back in 2002, I think it was, there was a leak to the press that the NSC had received two intercepts that basically alerted authorities to the specific nature of the attacks — if only they had been translated in time. The “news” centered around the White House outrage over the leak and the fact that it pressured Graham and Shelby to ask the FBI to investigate. There was an investigation, and Richard Shelby, co-chair of the committee, (Bob Graham was the Dem equivalent) was proved found to be the leaker, but he continued to deny it!!!! Does anyone know what punishment Shelby received? Alas, poor Shelby. The disposition of his case did not appear in any news reports I found. Anyone know what ultimately happened to him?
July 26th, 2005 at 3:05 pmI laugh at you too – it has to be awful being in the minority party!! lol!! LOSERS!!
Troll.
July 26th, 2005 at 3:17 pmA Blues song:
Watch What You Say
I got fools to the right of me
Liars to the left
Thieves right behind me
And thugs to back me up
I’m the president
Of the U.S.A.
You better be real careful
What your about to say
My daddy was the president
My grandpa was a senator
My daddy ran the C.I.A
I ain’t doin’ nothin’ sinister
I’m the president
Of the U.S.A.
You better be real careful
What your about to say
I never worked a day in my life
Been handed all I got
Had a buddy on the big court
My brother was the guv
Now I’m the president
Of the U.S.A.
You better be real careful
What your about to say
I’m just a good old boy
Out on the dusty trail
Ridin’ in my pick-up truck
All the way from Yale
Now I’m the president
Of the U.S.A.
You better be real careful
What your about to say
I lied to start a dirty war
I lied and lied some more
Now a lot of mother’s kids
Won’t be home no more
Now I’m the president
Of the U.S.A.
You better be real careful
What your about to say
(R. Hacker)
July 26th, 2005 at 3:20 pmNortheast Dilemma,
The only dilemmas the northeast face have to do with declining cod catches and the preservation of small towns from Wal-Mart assaults. One set of dilemmas the liberal northeast does not have in the quantity shared by most red states is teen pregnancy, divorce, abusive marriages, meth addiction, murder, hate crime, illiteracy, religious fanaticism, abortion (yes, abortion), corporate thievery, superfund sites, polluted rivers and groundwater tables, polluted air and blatant racism. So okay, NeD, you have won something. Your supporters are far better than liberals at engaging in the very lifestyles you so fervently seem to hate.
P.S. When are you signing up to fight in Iraq? I hear they’re taking people who have mental problems and if you join now you’re certain to get some stripes right off the bat.
July 26th, 2005 at 3:31 pm#36 – yes politics are a battle of ideas and here’s the latest idea that Bush is losing:
(1) 2/3 of Americans think Bush has no idea what to do in Iraq http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/index.cfm/fuseaction/viewItem/itemID/8239
(2) 57% think Bush lied in order to persuade the US public to invade Iraq, 56% disapprove of his handling http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=8948
(3) 42% percent of Americans think Bush needs to be ch-impeached if the Iraq war was based on deception (care to debate that dittohead?)
Let’s add that to the polls about the US before and after Iraq and after 9/11: http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=206
Let’s face it, when US allies view totalitarian China as a more favourable force in the world than the US, your battle of ideas is over. You may think you are in the majority, but you are not.
July 26th, 2005 at 3:31 pmRove can and should be fire.
Afterall, it wouldn’t be the first time.
He was fired by George H.W. once before already for kinda the same thing . . . leaking.
It is way past time to do so and the longer chimpy waits the worse it is likely to get. Remember the first rule of governement scandals . . . the cover-up is almost always more damaging than the crime.
July 26th, 2005 at 3:37 pm“But politics is a battle of ideas and guess what, your party is losing that battle. You have been losing since 1994″
Ooooo… ten years out of sixty. What losers! So the battle of ideas is over, and cigar sex is more important than military quagmires. We have a winner!
July 26th, 2005 at 3:38 pmLet’s see if I have this right:
Lying about having sex is an impeachable offense.
Lying about the reasons for going to war is good leadership.
July 26th, 2005 at 3:39 pmGary,
What are you talking about? The last time I checked, the democrats were in the minority. You need to get out of the heat!
July 26th, 2005 at 3:41 pmWhat keeps being overlooked in all of the GOP’s smoke and mirror tactics is that Rove has admitted to being the second source in ‘Treason-Gate’. And yet Bush is waiting until the outcome of the investigation before making any decision??
Of course, the only thing that will happen to Rove if he is convicted is that he will resign, and Bush will award him the Presidental Medal of Freedom.
July 26th, 2005 at 3:48 pmHistory will judge Chipy and his cohorts and I’m glad to say that republican spin won’t last the test of time as well as the documents and testimony that PROVE that they are lying, opportunistic scum.
It is clear to any rational person that there were never any WMD and that the MAJOR justification for the war was bogus, made up, and flat out wrong. Add to that documented evidence that Chimpy knew some of his most inflamnmatory claims were bogus, made up (by his admin), and wrong and you have the makings of what history will record as the worst president EVER.
So go ahead . . . dissemble and mislead, but as for your permanent majority . . . I wouldn’t get to comfortable.
July 26th, 2005 at 4:01 pmBoy, Shrub sure lived up to his 2000 campain promise to bring honesty and dignity back to the White House.
And about not being a nation-builder.
And about being a uniter, not a divider.
And about so many other things I just can’t remember because my head is spinning from all the lies.
July 26th, 2005 at 4:14 pmCh-impeached! Never heard that one before, thanks for the new term Terry… Doktor K, please prescribe some meds for anyone who still supports the War-Criminal-in-Chief, I’ve been saying for years he’ll be remembered as THE worst president ever, unless maybe Jeb gets elected. Which is possible, considering they’ve managed to steal the election twice already.
July 26th, 2005 at 4:15 pmGary,
What are you talking about? The last time I checked, the democrats were in the minority. You need to get out of the heat!
Um, my only comment in this thread (until now) has been to call Neddy a troll. Perhaps you are confusing me with someone else? Perhaps you are just generally confused?
July 26th, 2005 at 4:20 pmCan’t take the credit for chimpeached. Saw it here first:
July 26th, 2005 at 4:20 pmhttp://www.freewayblogger.com/index.htm
BTW, since you (steve) brought up the subject, I’ll mention that the only reason the Republicans are the majority party is their use of crooked Diebold machines and other cheating.
July 26th, 2005 at 4:22 pmAs Napoleon Dynamite has noted, “Ugh. Idiot!”.
http://www.hairytruth.blogspot.com
July 26th, 2005 at 4:39 pmI am amazed at how fast the cheney/bush regime is destroying the american republic. Gone is the rule of law and gone is any ethical standard or accountability.
ps the 2006 midterm elections and 2008 will be even bigger frauds then the last two. Black box voting is the rise of fashism and not enough seem to care.
July 26th, 2005 at 5:32 pmRove is just the the surface rote of a whole system being corrupted.
Americans need to step outside the US and look inwards at whats going on down there.The rest of the world sees a circus where the clowns have taken over. The hypocrisy of the Republican Party is astonishing. Went after Clinton in a huge way with the only in they had. “No one died when Willie lied !’ . Its hilarious to hear the koolaiders pass off the many lies and Bush Co spins like it was perfectly A-OK to start a war based on lies, out a CIA operative for revenge , tax cuts for rich , have a un credited reporter (Gannon) making himself at home in WH,undermining US energy interests in secret,ramming through CAFTA to the sole benefit of China, etc etc etc. You know your in trouble when you hear some long for the good old days of the Nixon admin. Start flushing the neo con toilet in 06 and finish them off in 08. Back to the broom closet of history.
July 26th, 2005 at 5:37 pm[...] (via ThinkProgress.org) “We can’t have leaks of classified information. It’s not in our nation’s interest.â€? – President George W. Bush, 10/9/01 [...]
July 26th, 2005 at 5:59 pmWell I agree we have a problem with our leadership, and we have a problem with Democrats being too spineless and dramatic. The REAL problem is most Americans are too busy, or too stupid to give a crap, until the problem is right in their own backyard, and it has not come to that…. yet.
July 26th, 2005 at 6:34 pm#61. Kai… It all depends on how those of us who care about our republic choose to act in November ‘06.
If the exit polls in critical senate and house races are off by more than 5% and there are a number of “surprise wins” by Republicans, then I really believe we must go to the streets and shut down this country until our votes are honestly counted. I don’t think we’ll get a second chance in ‘08.
If the right wing theo-neo-con nutjobs are able to use their private media machine (that would be just about every television and radio station in America and 95% of the newspapers and magazines) to convince the American public to re-elect Republicans to office, then they deserve the “win” pure and simple. If, however, Americans vote what little mind they have left, and somehow, the votes counts don’t end up matching the vote sentiments, then we really MUST be proactive. Anything less, and we will find ourselves in Germany in 1938, and it’s really NOT a nice place to be.
Charlie L
July 26th, 2005 at 6:44 pmPortland, OR
CLL2001@gmail.com
ok, so somebody said this (and they are right)
“So Bush thinks he is doing ‘God’s work’. ‘God guides him’ and ‘God speaks to him’.
I do believe he hears voices in his head.
I do believe those voices guide him.
I do believe he ‘thinks’ he is doing God’s work.”
Now, assuming the above are true (and good ol’ george has said that they are on many occasions) then I have a question. Isn’t there a law or some tenat of the constitution where you have to be mentaly sound in order to be president? I mean, aren’t you legally barred from office if you suffer from a mental disease? Because what we’re taling about up there are all text book examples of disorders like Schizophrenia and Delusional Disorder (and yes, those are actually text book examples. I looked them up in my text book on abnormal psychology). That being said, screw arresting him, screw impeaching him. Can we just take him out of office on grounds of mental instability and put him in an institution for the rest of his life with every one else who “talks to god” and “is jesus reborn” and thinks “the goverment is out to get them” (well, ok, given our current administration that last group may actually be on to something). Has anybody else had this thought beisdes me?
July 26th, 2005 at 6:59 pmSorry to see that the great USA is swiftly transforming into a banana republic by the incompetency of a president who tolerates corruption. So much for moral authority!
July 26th, 2005 at 7:06 pmBut the reality is it’s not the Republicans or the Democrats it’s the American people. We should have been rioting in the streets in 2000 when the government made a mockery of our electoral process. Instead we sat on our collective thumbs and did nothing. Which is what we will continue to do. We will sit and blog and complain until the government takes our freedom fo speech away. They are doing random searches of passengers in the train stations in CT railstations. When passengers are interviewed by local reporters they smile and say “I think it’s great as long as we are safer.”!!! These people have no concern that their civil liberties are being stripped away right before their eyes. When did Americans become such a bunch of pantywastes? All that blood spilled by America’s founding fathers to escape EMPIRE and here we are starring down the barrel of another one, pathetic. LIVE FREE OR DIE!!!
July 26th, 2005 at 8:51 pmBring the troops home now! They need to invade Washington D.C. and kill the traitors and terrorists!~
July 26th, 2005 at 10:27 pmHey Lefties, you still on your Rove fantasy? You demanded a special prosecutor, you got it. You will not let him finish his invesigation will you? You all know theres no crime so your hashing up a political storm. Guess what? Its only raining on the left side of the aisle and your all wet! The majority of Americans no longer believe the MSM nor your Lefty
July 26th, 2005 at 10:32 pmbs. We know its pure politics. Keep making fools out of yourselves, is a real hoot watching you hateful idiots!
Take care, take great care!
Mike D,
A Rove Fantasy?
Do you mean the fantasy where Rove pretends to be a patriotic american while he breaks the law, helps create a war under false pretenses, undermines america’s standing in the world, and even commits treason just to help out israel? Or would that be the fantasy where you believe you’re protecting american values while espousing fascist non-american ones? Or would it be the fantasy that a corporate media machine is either Main Stream or the Left? I guess you missed the discussion this week where Ann Coulter admitted on Fox that the right was fully in control of the media. I agree that most americans don’t believe the media any more, but a significant number don’t believe it because they know it’s a corporate whore – just like you. That’s why bush has the LOWEST APPROVAL RATING OF ANY PRESIDENT IN HISTORY, and it’s also why the CONservatives in congress have an even lower approval rating.
If you actually believe america is behind you, you better watch where you’re shitting – because from where I sit an increasing number of them realize that schmucks like you aren’t americans – you’re just more stupid fascist bastards!
July 26th, 2005 at 10:42 pm[...] http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/26/bush-pulls-security/ [...]
July 26th, 2005 at 11:11 pmAll the RepubliTHUGS have the same m.o. ALL OF THEM.
They think they are doing “God’s work�. “God guides them� and “God speaks to them�. Bush included.
ABOUT BUSH (or as I call him…Monkeyboy)
I do believe he hears voices in his head.
I do believe those voices guide him.
I do believe he “thinks� he is doing God’s work.
I DON’T BELIEVE it is God speaking to him.
By his actions, I have determined what the voices in his head are telling him:
Install your buddies that helped you steal the election into the Supreme Court in other powerful positions.
Protect those that protect you.
Ruin anyone that opposes you.
Spy on those that don’t support you.
Deny people their rights, if they are powerless they can’t hurt you.
Hurriedly enact legislation that removes people’s rights of protection and privacy.
Repeat your lies until the uninformed believe them.
Pardon those that do your bidding and get caught. (Just like dad, a clip off the old shrub)
If meeting in public, screen and edit the audience.
Make a ceremony out of what should be announced in normal press conferences to take the heat OFF of any controversy in your administration.
Make your entrance from a hallway so you don’t have to pass by press that may ask embarrassing questions about what you are trying to take the attention AWAY FROM.
Refuse to be accountable to anyone.
Refuse to release information that is not flattering to you.
Authorize and cover up the release of any and all information that is not flattering to your detractors.
Cultivate fear, hatred, racism and intolerance in others.
Turn your hatred and intolerance into the law.
Use intolerance to justify future incarceration of gays.
Wait until the proper moment to lock up your social deviants and detractors.
And above all, don’t start the “final solution� until it is widely acceptable. (Remember Grand Pappy’s idol, and how it cost him the world order.)
That’s not right for America! It is a mental disturbance.
Since election night in 2000, I have made it my mission to point out what exactly is wrong with these Republithugs and those that support him. I speak up, and often. Mostly to deaf ears. But I believe as Bush does, if you repeat something enough, people will begin to listen. And if the truth is as powerful as Bush’s lies, then things will get better.
God never said hate the homos, he never says deny people civil rights, torture those who oppose you, imprison them for as long as you would like. He never said to arrest your enemies, I think it was something like love your enemies.
“Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves,…� (Matthew 7:15)
The God I worship loves everyone.
I hate to say it, God loves Bush too. That is not to say that he approves of him. He loves Bush the way we love the mentally impaired, or the troubled little boy that abuses animals with fireworks, the drug addict, the alcoholic. (That’s Bush)
By the way, most little boys that torture animals don’t become president, they become serial killers. Think about it.
July 26th, 2005 at 11:17 pmWOW, I am a Canadian. I dont know why you all so ferverently divide yourselves into left and right and conservative and liberal. Here, we are just people. We have ideas from all over. This labeling, and the name calling is more corosive to your society than any conventional attack by foreign powers.
(see fall of Rome, divisions within, before collapse)
Its so Obvious the Admisnistration is lying and covering it up. Its on your public record the things they have said.
Why do you support him , those that do(GW Bush)? Christian? Gimme a break? What about the part where it says turn the other cheek? not Bomb another country! Or is that wisdom to be ignored.
July 27th, 2005 at 1:07 amforget impeachment. take back congres in 2006. neuter executive branch until his term ends, then file war crimes and abuse of power lawsuit, regardless of whether we have a republican or democratic president. they will spend the rest of their lives answering for their crimes.
July 27th, 2005 at 1:53 amNeD,
July 27th, 2005 at 2:16 amYou are really a deceived individual. You have eyes to see and yet can’t see. Ears to hear and yet can’t hear. Bush surely was chosen by God, but not to put America through a new and illustrious future, but to punish us. It is ok that you think that Bush is great, but in the very near future you will regret that he ever became President. Our nation is in its waning days. And your children will suffer the consequences. Just watch and see. Have a good day : )
If the Republicans can force an impeachment over sex then the Democrats should be able to do at least that with Bush given all the lies he and his administration have told. The biggest of which was the election of 2000. Einstein once said “only two things in this world are infinite… the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the former.” Well he was right about human stupidity.
How dumb is the American public that they can’t see through all the b.s. this administration dishes out? Bush is the king of psudoscience. “The jury is still out on evolution.” “The jury is still out on Global Warming”. Is there really a majority of people in this country who believe what this moron says?
It’s like the public has already forgiven him for lying about Iraq trying to purchase uranium from Africa and sending almost 2000 American troops to their deaths. The problem is NOT that Bush is a bad president, which he is. The problem is that the American public is too stupid to recognize it. Homer Simpson will probably be the next president of the United States or maybe Fred Flintstone if we’re lucky.
July 27th, 2005 at 2:44 amhttp://www.thomas.wolff.net/img/anders5.jpeg
July 27th, 2005 at 5:36 amHi, Chuck! I agree with you – and I´ll go even further.
Hey guys, why are you all people after Bush – every country deserves the president it gets…I bet 90% of the americans were proud of the way he rolled over the UN when it came to the “americans national interests”. Isn´t it cool to be the big bully of the neighborhood and be able to tell the whole world to just F… OFF if it doesn´t like what we are doing? Isn´t it cool that “our proud men & women in uniform” (they used to be called “soldiers” in the pre 9.11 world!) can not be held accountable for their deeds before the International Haag Tribunal? Wasn´t it cool to have those low gas prices ´cause we didn´t need to sign that Kyoto protokol? Isn´t it cool to wave the flag in every stupid war-glorifying movie we can never get enough of? I´d personally rather see 10 times again the “Domino rules” (Hackman) than once again “Topgun” but hey, they just don´t make movies like that any more – even Hollywood has got on that glorifying carousel – I bet there are at least dozen of BLOCKBUSTER projects that are about to show us the Iraq war from the perspective of an embedded “producer-director-a-couple-of-huge-stars-team” and I guess even Swarzenegger might leave his boring job and save the world (USA!) again…
The amercans are being held in a state of stupor and they are basicly just waiting for somebody like Dirty Harry to do the job and nail the wrong guys – but the real wrong guys sit too high – there´s gotta be a more substancial shake off to get rid of them.
The next ellection day is nearing and if Dubya pesronally obviosly doesn´t give a …t about what the public thinks of him any more – there surely will be another (or maybe the same!) Karl Rove to pull the strings in the background and try to touch another sensitive part of that “great proud american soul” of ours, maybe even bring us to tears and vote for the guy who will again promise to clear up the hypocrisy in Washington and play the honest straight (shooting) guy the Dubya played during his first campaign…
Then – think again.
July 27th, 2005 at 7:10 amI keep reading this one sentence in various posts “Rove is not a target of the investigation”… Have I missed something????? Isn’t the whole investigation about Rove?
And on a side note: I’ve been following the blogs for a long time because I find it interesting to read about other people’s point of view, which broadens one’s own view.
July 27th, 2005 at 8:32 amAnd I have to say one thing: NOT ONCE have I read an actual ARGUMENT from the “right” that would, if not convince me, at least make me think “interesting, that is a whole new point of view whichI have not considered myself yet” – all that is coming from the right is name calling, propaganda and – most amusing of all – blaming the LEFT of being hateful…..
I have read some of these posts and here are my comments. Rove will get away with this as has De Lay. The Republicans stick together like glue unlike Dems. Until Dems wake up to this, they will remain out of power. That is, unitl the next Great Depression hits in the next 10 years or so. People will regret electing Cheney-bush because of the long term damage to the economy. You can’t have a war and CUT TAXES. We learned that the hard way in Vietnam. Johnson spent freely and in part, the inflation and economic stagnation of the 70s and early 80s was a result.
Global warming will accelerate as it is alreay doing. Thirty years from now our kids will ask us why we did nothing. Some of us tried to warn people to no avail. Unitl it gets painful enough, no changes will be made. If we retooled our economy for alternate energy sources, the 90s boom would be miniscule in comparison. But with Big Oil in power, that aint gonna happen.
Trade imbalances can’t last forever as our massive deficits.
Cheney-bush must go but that won’t happen. Too many people aren’t awake and only when it gets bad enough, will change occur.
July 27th, 2005 at 9:47 amCorrection to post above.
Trade imbalances can’t last forever as well as our massive deficit.
July 27th, 2005 at 9:49 amBush is a HO!
July 27th, 2005 at 10:03 amrepublicans suck,democrats suck,and jesus would not go for any of this.so may armageddon start and all politicians burn in hell.
July 27th, 2005 at 11:11 am#65 charlie
In 2004 a British Polling firm named zogby did exit polls.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1118-11.htm
http://www.reopen911.org/proofstolen.htm
Guess what the neo con(artists) stole that election big time. More then a few exit polls had differences larger then 5% from the official results. No protects and little more then a wimper. Hmmm. I have my doubts that the american people can see past all the viels of deception any more.
hail cheney.
July 27th, 2005 at 12:21 pmor
http://www.911truth.org
I keep reading this one sentence in various posts “Rove is not a target of the investigation�… Have I missed something????? Isn’t the whole investigation about Rove?
That is Rove’s lawyer Luskin talking, based on what he was told by the special prosecutor back when the investigation first started and he was asked to appear before the Grand Jury two years ago. The investigation is about who leaked the indentity of a CIA NOC asset. They are all targets now. The entire administration.
July 27th, 2005 at 12:32 pmHey #80 – NO! Most thinking Americans DON’T feel that way! you forget that the media is co-opted, the public misinformed, and the elections were rigged.
July 27th, 2005 at 1:04 pmUntil about 6 years ago, I had no interest in or knowledge of politics. Ignorance was indeed bliss. But now I know, and the truth does hurt..
So please, don’t engage in American-bashing, we are not all as bad as the stereotype!
Hey NeD! You didn’t answer my question… in #22:
“And NeD, do you think that Rove is guilty? If he is, and if the trail leads provably upward to Bush, what will you do then? Sign the impeachment petition? Do you have the guts to CHANGE YOUR MIND in the face of the truth? Just curious… ”
Or do you just post and not read? It’s pretty hard to tell, as you are often losing the thread…
July 27th, 2005 at 1:10 pmTo Mike the troll:
How stupid and blind can you be to say there is no crime in the Rove story. That’s like saying there is no crime for starting a pre-emptive war in Iraq and lying to the American public about WMD. All you republicans and this administration has done to the American public is lie, deceive, and cover up for all your mistakes. None of you have any integrity. Your decency is lost. All you have to offer is deception, corruption, and division of this country. (just what was planned to do to get Marshall law the law of the land) And talk about BS, don’t make me laugh, the BS you republicans and this administration has is the best in the land. Look how many people you fooled about Saddam being part of 911, Al Queda, (which I have read is a CIA military data base file) Valarie Plame not being a CIA agent and etc. How much more destruction and death do you people with waxed hearts have to see before YOU see what is really going on. Maybe you are all waiting for those wonderful microchips (the ones that are for our protection and buying and selling) to be put in our bodies. Good luck, you might believe that BS but no government agency is putting that in my body. Who knows what those microchips really are?????????? So Mike the troll, clean out your own backyard before you go judging someone else. The American people are waking up and you Republicans are in your last days of fixed elections and lies. Most of us know better now. Bush has the lowest ratings of any President and his legacy for being the worst president we ever had will be in the history book for years to come.
July 27th, 2005 at 1:56 pmWhen Marshal Law is declared and the American Resistance gets its act together like the Iraqi Resistance, one of the fantastic sights will be the marching of the naked neoboobs down Pennsylvania Avenue on the way to a public canning.
We must remember that when Marshal Law is declared, all Constitutional Rights will be suspended…..
July 27th, 2005 at 4:55 pmSylvia, my thoughts exactly. I mean EXACTLY- not even once have I heard a compelling argument from a right-winger, and I actually WISH that would happen. Of course it’s possible all the rational people share our (progressive) view, which would then explain why this is the case. Thank you, Sylvia- words of beauty.
July 27th, 2005 at 7:00 pm#87 – Willy
Thanks for clearing that up :), I haven’t followed that leak-story from the beginning (2 years ago).
#92 – Colinjames
July 28th, 2005 at 1:53 amI think you are absolutely right – seems all rational people share our view.
I find it humorous that Republicans like “Northeast” like to rub it in that those who supported Kerry are losers. Well, supporting W has made all Americans losers.
July 28th, 2005 at 1:42 pmThe reason that these conservatives can’t produce compelling arguments is that they aren’t told how to. All they are told is the right-wing talking points that are created in the WH, moved over to the RNC, which then pushes them out to all of the MSM whores to repeat. Don’t believe me, check out the RNC talking points and then listen to the conservatives regurgitate them word for word.
For further proof, ask a conservative a question about the facts behind one of these talking points and they won’t be able to answer. That’s when all the hate speech comes out, simply because they have nothing valuable of their own to say. They will either simply repeat the talking point with answering your question or call you un-American.
We need to put a government in place that cares more about America and it people then their own selfish greed. Hope we can make the first step in 06.
July 28th, 2005 at 4:03 pm#95 Looks like we won’t get a chance in 2006 to put them in their place, as shrubby wanted to rewrite the constitution (2004) so that he could remain president until the “war for cash” was over, and I am sure it would have something to do with keeping all the nazi-neo-CONservatives in place too. Don’t give up on him doing it yet, 3 more years MORE OR LESS.
July 28th, 2005 at 11:16 pm#95 3 more years with this administration and American won’t be here.
July 29th, 2005 at 12:16 am# 95, 96, 97
One word comes to mind: DIEBOLD.
Without trying to fuel any conspiracy theories but voting machines without any paper trail, voting machines that can easily be hacked and all the irregularities that have been reported in the last elections don’t seem very trustworthy and encouraging.
Strange voting system for a democracy :(
July 29th, 2005 at 4:51 am# 95
July 29th, 2005 at 4:59 amyou are absolutely right about why conservative’s are not able to produce any real argument…..
It’s a reason, but not an excuse. It’s everyone’s own responsibility to educate oneself about certain issues and if I cannot get the proper information from the MSM it’s up to three people (just ME, MYSELF and I :) ) to get the info’s elsewhere. (That’s what the thinking half of America is doing!) – if I don’t educate myself I am simply being IGNORANT.
And after reading a LOT of threads over a LONG time I come to the conclusion that If Ignorance actually shrank peopole, most of the conservatives on this blog could go sky-diving underneath a carpet :)
Electile Disfunction?
Try PAPER ballots.
If the elections actually were correct, then why is it that EVERYONE I talk to hates Bush, Rove and Cheeney?
I rarely, but sometimes do, run into a nutjob that voted Bush, but they are ALWAYS some dumb slob with a minimum wage job & say they ALWAYS vote Republithug, ’cause that’s what their daddy told them to do.
July 29th, 2005 at 2:18 pmAlright I’ve been silent long enough waiting on the ‘greatest nation on earth’to rise above the bush abomination’s lies and smell the bullshit being fed to them.
July 29th, 2005 at 2:38 pmYou have the downing street memos,the Valerie Plame incident
numerous instances of bush putting corporate interests before your nation’s security,stories of gov’t agencies distorting information to cover up their misdeeds and it has become BLATANTLY obvious to the rest of the world that your ‘president’is even dumber than we think americans are for putting up with this bullshit.You have been deceived,betrayed,poisoned(thermaserol)and now your children are dying in an illegal war started by the same clowns that were ripping you off 20 yrs ago under reagan/bush!I will never trust the us’s motives again nor will I ever visit your little corporate playground you call a ‘free country’What happened to you people oh yeah-911 which was perpetrated by a guy who was on the bush family payroll for years!Duhmerica indeed.
SHOUT AMEN AND WOO HA!!!!
CITIZENX HAS IT RIGHT ON THE MONEY!
I agree, alas, I have to (for now) live in this playgroud with the Bushevic Bullies!!!
July 29th, 2005 at 8:07 pmAs i read thru all this mombojumbo, One thing is clear there are more and more americans awakening, realizing and comparing positions, The FINAL DAYS ARE UPON US!! or should i say Monkeyboy!
July 30th, 2005 at 9:31 amWhile searching the web, I found the 15 Democrats who sold out on CAFTA. They are as follows:
July 31st, 2005 at 11:54 am1. Bean – Melissa — IL http://www.house.gov/bean/issue_subscribe.htm
2. Cooper – Jim — TN http://cooper.house.gov/email.htm
3. Cuellar – Henry — TX henry.cuellar@mail.house.gov
4. Dicks – Norm — WA http://www.house.gov/dicks/contact.html
5. Hinojosa – Ruben — TX http://hinojosa.house.gov/
6. Jefferson – William — LA http://www.house.gov/jefferson/
7. Matheson – Jim — UT http://www.house.gov/matheson/contact.html
8. Meeks (NY) – Gregory — NY congmeeks@mail.house.gov
9. Moore (KS) – Dennis — KS http://moore.house.gov/
10. Moran (VA) – Jim — VA http://moran.house.gov/feedback.moran.cfm?campaign=moran&type=Let%27s%20Talk&type=Let%27s%20Talk
11. Ortiz – Solomon — TX http://www.house.gov/ortiz/email_me.shtml
12. Skelton – Ike — MO http://www.house.gov/skelton/zipauth.htm
13. Snyder – Vic — AR http://www.house.gov/snyder/contact/email.htm
Tanner – John — TN http://www.house.gov/tanner/ Enter ZIP 38053-1702
Towns – Ed — NY http://www.house.gov/towns/ — enter ZIP 11210-3801
By the way, do you all think scotty is spinning like a top because the WH is scared sh(*((less of Judith Miller being outed as a paid reporter. Check Buzzflash and look for the link about The Huffington Post. Most interesting.
If Miller is cracked, WH tumbles.
July 31st, 2005 at 8:19 pm[...] If you’re in Congress, you can get your security clearance revoked by President Bush pretty quickly. If you’re the guy that helped him win one (or two) election(s), I guess you get it pretty easy. [...]
August 1st, 2005 at 12:50 am# 106 Not only do you get it “pretty easy”
But you get great promotions, and lifetime jobs with great pay and unlike MOST AMERICANS, you get MEDICAL COVERAGE!!!! (yes, even if you are gay, if you help them they cover YOUR Ass and don’t scream too loudly in your direction)
By the way for most of you boys and girls that don’t know about the shrub family’s war profiting, do a web search on Chris Floyd CounterPunch Bush Family Whitewashing in Iraq and Nazi Germany. It is the reader’s digest version of the shrubs support of Hitler.
also, the curator of the Florida Holocaust Museum detailed how they (shrubs and other undesirable greenry) spirited away Nazi War Criminals … to great places like….. are you ready?…..AMERICA, Argentina, South America… and yes boys and girls the Pope fed and entertained the war criminals at the vatican.
and the truth shall set you free……
August 1st, 2005 at 1:51 amRight Wing Talking Point History Lesson
In October of 2001 Bush pulled security clearance from 92 Senators. This left 8 members of Congress access to classified information—the Speaker of the House, House Minority Leader, Senate Majority Leader, Senate Minority Leader, and chairmen and…
November 12th, 2005 at 7:27 amWhy if, in the 8000 year history fo Iraq there has never been a democracy, doe Bush think they need one now?
November 13th, 2005 at 12:25 pmCondolences to the Powell family who lost their patriarch. He joins the ranks of Amelia Erhart, Judge Crater and Jimmy Hoffa.
There is something that needs to be clarified here. Look at the date on the Gannett news service article (10/01/01), they are reporting on an article that was in the WaPo. Look at the date on the WaPo article, it is dated as 5 days later. Gannett can not be reporting on an article that has not been published yet. This needs to be cleaned up before the argument is done like they did Dan Rather.
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Gannett News Service reported on 10/1/01 that Bush was restricting information because, “The Washington Post reported last week that various lawmakers had been told there would be more terrorist attacks if the United States retaliated.â€
Here’s what the Washington Post reported:
Asked whether more terrorist attacks are inevitable if the United States retaliates, [Sen. Richard] Shelby said, “You can bet on that.†U.S. intelligence officials have told members of Congress there is a high probability that terrorists associated with Osama bin Laden will try to launch another major attack on U.S. targets here or abroad. [Washington Post, 10/6/01]
November 13th, 2005 at 2:10 pmWhy is there a date difference on these articles? How did Gannet report on an article that hadn’t been written yet?
Gannet says it is taking info from a Wapo article written a week before but this article was written after Gannet published this article. Am I missing something here?
This does not make sense. Why is the order written on a sheet of paper with no seal? Where is the original source for the order and an order number? Are these things not available? If this info is true then we must have clear, undeniable proof.
November 13th, 2005 at 2:52 pmPlease provide that. I would like to see this story on the evening news but only if it’s backable. The previous poster is right…we don’t need another Dan Rather.
Hahahaha! Not only do we control the intelligence but we control the voting machines! You are all on the path to destruction, make your time! Hahahaha!
November 13th, 2005 at 10:37 pmDid anyone else notice that these references don’t point to the clearances being PULLED, but only to restrictions on how information was to be SHARED?
This is an important distinction that needs to be noted. Of course, it’s still a dastardly act, especially if you consider how loose GWB was with intel management WRT people in the same party.
November 14th, 2005 at 1:23 am[...] In October 2001, in an action that was not widely reported, Bush yanked the security clearances of 92 Senators. You can read about the action and follow a link to the actual order by clicking here. [...]
November 14th, 2005 at 9:38 amActually, Bush pulled security clearances from 96 senators and 431 representatives – a total of 527 members of congress.
November 14th, 2005 at 10:04 amPresident Bush is a good man — he’s got a ranch and everything. We should just support our President and not worry about thinking so much.
November 14th, 2005 at 9:28 pmNinety percent of Americans are undereducated and can’t think. Most weren’t breast fed and got beat with belts by their dads when their minds wandered. So they make irrational decisions based on their preconceived ideologies inherited from their parents and the imbecilic media they attent to. Of the ten percent who can think, 9.99999 percent should get lobotomies. That way no American need think. So the few thousand who govern and the 400 richest who have more wealth than half the country can continue to elect fools and flunkies to lead and make decisions for us.
November 27th, 2005 at 8:53 amYo, I think, therefore I think I think. But maybe TheShrink is write. If I get a lobotomy, so I never need to think again: about piece, war, truth, justice, the American way, nuklear bombs, pre-emptive attacks, law … I mean, innernational law, or the fate of the human race with fools and flunkies making all the decisions. Then I can eat at McDonalds; buy t-shirt, jeans, and Nike immitations at Walmart; work 3 jobs for minimum wage to pay for my SUV; become obese so I can sit and watch all the bowl games on TV without moving or thinking; listen to my favorite bible-quoting talkshow host; and wait for the Rapture so I can die happy. Should we make this an ammendment to the constitution? I mean, getting a lobotomy, that is.
November 27th, 2005 at 9:17 amSorry, I disagree with TheConformist. I know he/she wants all of us to die happy. But as Americans, isn’t it better to die thinking? Perhaps then we’ll know what we’re dying for. So I propose a different Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. “All Americans have the right to think.” Simple. I mean think like the Founding Fathers. They were thinkers, weren’t they? Shouldn’t we be like them if we can, and take back the government from the fools and flunkies like they did? I mean, wasn’t King George mentally ill? I don’t mean George W. but George III — I think the King our thinking Founding Fathers rebelled against. Yeah, I think it’s better that all Americans have the right to think, don’t you? Then we can all go to college, like Thomas Jefferson did! At least we can dream about it, if we think about it. Right? And aren’t lobotomies outlawed?
November 27th, 2005 at 9:40 amTrue, Publicus. Lobotomies are outlawed, but I guarantee you we can, if we can get enough money, we can pay lobbyists in Washington, D.C. to get Congress to change the law. It’ll be easy. And I mean, REAL easy. All the psychiatrists, pharmaceutical companies, hospitals, mental health workers, electronics retailers, and the fast-food industy, among others, would support this. So would most of the 400 richest Americans, who don’t want to lose their wealth. Piece of cake, pal. Furthermore, I think TheConformist has a real balanced and patriotic personality, caring so much for us all as he does.
November 27th, 2005 at 9:52 amWhen Powell went to the United Nations and presented all the fabricated false forged “evidence” the US Senate should have revoked it’s war powers vote.
Everybody knew about that, security clearnce or not.
That sould have been the end of Bush Iraq invasion aspirations.
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