Comments on: Roberts and the Activist Solicitor General http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/26/roberts-and-the-activist-solicitor-general/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:32:41 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Mitofsky http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/26/roberts-and-the-activist-solicitor-general/comment-page-2/#comment-78641 Mitofsky Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:19:34 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1441#comment-78641 <em>An exit poll is a poll of voters taken immediately after they have exited the polling stations. Unlike an opinion poll, which asks who the voter plans to vote for or some similar formulation, an exit poll asks who the voter actually voted for. Pollsters - usually private companies working for newspapers or broadcasters - conduct exit polls to gain an early indication as to how an election has turned out, as the actual result may take hours to count (as in UK General Elections). Exit polls have historically and throughout the world been used as "parallel vote tabulation", as a check against and rough indicator of the degree of fraud in an election. Some examples of this include the Venezuelan recall referendum, 2004, the Ukrainian presidential election, 2004, and the 2004 U.S. presidential election controversy. The word "indication" is key as, like all opinion polls, exit polls do by nature include a margin of error. A famous example of exit poll error occurred in the 1992 UK General Election, when two exit polls predicted a hung Parliament. In the event, the Conservative Party Government under John Major held their position with a reduced majority. In contrast, very few people in Britain could not have predicted Tony Blair's Labour victory in 1997; in that event only the scale of the victory remained unpredictable. Widespread criticism of exit polling has occurred in cases, especially in the United States of America, where exit-poll results have appeared and/or have provided a basis for projecting winners before all real polls have closed, thereby possibly influencing election results. Leaks of exit poll figures for the 2004 presidential election, mainly via the Internet, appeared to indicate a victory for John Kerry. The discrepancies between the exit poll data and the vote count that where outside of the margin of error, coupled with irregularities in the election which seem to explain the discrepancies and what many perceive as evasive tactics by the polling companies, have shed doubt on the legitimacy of that election among political activists and government officials. (See 2004_U.S._presidential_election_controversy, exit polls for more detail.) Some countries, such as the United Kingdom, punish the publication of exit poll figures before the polling stations have closed as a criminal offence.</em> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exit_polling An exit poll is a poll of voters taken immediately after they have exited the polling stations. Unlike an opinion poll, which asks who the voter plans to vote for or some similar formulation, an exit poll asks who the voter actually voted for. Pollsters – usually private companies working for newspapers or broadcasters – conduct exit polls to gain an early indication as to how an election has turned out, as the actual result may take hours to count (as in UK General Elections).

Exit polls have historically and throughout the world been used as “parallel vote tabulation”, as a check against and rough indicator of the degree of fraud in an election. Some examples of this include the Venezuelan recall referendum, 2004, the Ukrainian presidential election, 2004, and the 2004 U.S. presidential election controversy.

The word “indication” is key as, like all opinion polls, exit polls do by nature include a margin of error. A famous example of exit poll error occurred in the 1992 UK General Election, when two exit polls predicted a hung Parliament. In the event, the Conservative Party Government under John Major held their position with a reduced majority.

In contrast, very few people in Britain could not have predicted Tony Blair’s Labour victory in 1997; in that event only the scale of the victory remained unpredictable.

Widespread criticism of exit polling has occurred in cases, especially in the United States of America, where exit-poll results have appeared and/or have provided a basis for projecting winners before all real polls have closed, thereby possibly influencing election results. Leaks of exit poll figures for the 2004 presidential election, mainly via the Internet, appeared to indicate a victory for John Kerry. The discrepancies between the exit poll data and the vote count that where outside of the margin of error, coupled with irregularities in the election which seem to explain the discrepancies and what many perceive as evasive tactics by the polling companies, have shed doubt on the legitimacy of that election among political activists and government officials. (See 2004_U.S._presidential_election_controversy, exit polls for more detail.)

Some countries, such as the United Kingdom, punish the publication of exit poll figures before the polling stations have closed as a criminal offence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exit_polling

]]> By: Ryan Neat http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/26/roberts-and-the-activist-solicitor-general/comment-page-2/#comment-77682 Ryan Neat Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:38:22 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1441#comment-77682 Gary, Thanks for pointing that out. When the same techniques were used to evaluate Ohio that proved Ukraine was a 'stolen' election - guess what, it said Ohio was stolen! http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/121604Z.shtml It's interesting how these techniques are 'trusted' enough to form a diplomatic effort to overturn another election republicans disagree with - but when it's their own who's crooked, they choose to ignore and deceive the world. Hypocrisy thy name is CONservatism. Gary,

Thanks for pointing that out. When the same techniques were used to evaluate Ohio that proved Ukraine was a ’stolen’ election – guess what, it said Ohio was stolen!

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/121604Z.shtml

It’s interesting how these techniques are ‘trusted’ enough to form a diplomatic effort to overturn another election republicans disagree with – but when it’s their own who’s crooked, they choose to ignore and deceive the world. Hypocrisy thy name is CONservatism.

]]> By: Willy Riot http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/26/roberts-and-the-activist-solicitor-general/comment-page-2/#comment-77667 Willy Riot Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:26:46 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1441#comment-77667 <em>2) They get hit by AlQueda, who was trained by their own leadership to fight Russia under BushI</em> I think that actually began under Reagan, after the Russian invasion of Afghanistan. It did continue under Bush I, but you are still correct. 2) They get hit by AlQueda, who was trained by their own leadership to fight Russia under BushI

I think that actually began under Reagan, after the Russian invasion of Afghanistan. It did continue under Bush I, but you are still correct.

]]> By: The Northeast Dilemma http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/26/roberts-and-the-activist-solicitor-general/comment-page-2/#comment-77600 The Northeast Dilemma Wed, 27 Jul 2005 14:43:35 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1441#comment-77600 I do not agree that the WH should withhold Roberts' tax forms. There, I went moonbat for a second. I would argue that his taxes better be crystal clean if he wants a seat on that Court. Of course, we all know how I feel about the other phony doc debate. I do not agree that the WH should withhold Roberts’ tax forms. There, I went moonbat for a second.

I would argue that his taxes better be crystal clean if he wants a seat on that Court. Of course, we all know how I feel about the other phony doc debate.

]]> By: kindness http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/26/roberts-and-the-activist-solicitor-general/comment-page-2/#comment-77592 kindness Wed, 27 Jul 2005 14:16:12 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1441#comment-77592 I wouldn't want this blog to turn into a redstate.org type place where alternative thought gets you booted. But I do wish they would sweep out the trolls. I wouldn’t want this blog to turn into a redstate.org type place where alternative thought gets you booted. But I do wish they would sweep out the trolls.

]]> By: EasyRider http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/26/roberts-and-the-activist-solicitor-general/comment-page-2/#comment-77584 EasyRider Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:31:34 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1441#comment-77584 Great story at the WaPo: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/26/AR2005072602070.html Documents Show Roberts Influence In Reagan Era By R. Jeffrey Smith, Jo Becker and Amy Goldstein Washington Post Staff Writers Wednesday, July 27, 2005; Page A01 Roberts is a real S.O.B. Great story at the WaPo:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/26/AR2005072602070.html

Documents Show Roberts Influence In Reagan Era

By R. Jeffrey Smith, Jo Becker and Amy Goldstein
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, July 27, 2005; Page A01

Roberts is a real S.O.B.

]]> By: Gary Kleppe http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/26/roberts-and-the-activist-solicitor-general/comment-page-2/#comment-77581 Gary Kleppe Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:23:05 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1441#comment-77581 When Neddy calls us losers, we should just remind him that the Republicans only "won" '04 through crooked voting machines and many, many other forms of cheating. When Neddy calls us losers, we should just remind him that the Republicans only “won” ‘04 through crooked voting machines and many, many other forms of cheating.

]]> By: just john http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/26/roberts-and-the-activist-solicitor-general/comment-page-2/#comment-77574 just john Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:29:32 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1441#comment-77574 Basic question about the original post: Who's being quoted? Basic question about the original post: Who’s being quoted?

]]> By: portly http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/26/roberts-and-the-activist-solicitor-general/comment-page-2/#comment-77573 portly Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:25:04 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1441#comment-77573 Thanks, Ryan, thats good stuff. Can i call you one of our best Troll Killers? It gets boring after awhile, but there IS a morbid fascination with watching greasy trolls like NeD wallow around in incoherency. It DOES help define the persona of the Freeper for all to see, doesn't it? Could it be one of those paid by the RNC, perhaps? Thanks, Ryan, thats good stuff. Can i call you one of our best Troll Killers? It gets boring after awhile, but there IS a morbid fascination with watching greasy trolls like NeD wallow around in incoherency. It DOES help define the persona of the Freeper for all to see, doesn’t it? Could it be one of those paid by the RNC, perhaps?

]]> By: Nixon's Ghost http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/26/roberts-and-the-activist-solicitor-general/comment-page-2/#comment-77072 Nixon's Ghost Wed, 27 Jul 2005 04:38:59 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1441#comment-77072 You have to understand that name calling is what they do. Look what they did to Kerry in 2004 and one of their own, McCain in 2000. It's a game to them. You call them what they are, scumbags, because they are scumbags, and the accuse you of ad hominem attacks. You would be as delusional as they are if you called them gentlemen, or even fellow Americans. They are neither. They are trash. You have to understand that name calling is what they do. Look what they did to Kerry in 2004 and one of their own, McCain in 2000. It’s a game to them. You call them what they are, scumbags, because they are scumbags, and the accuse you of ad hominem attacks. You would be as delusional as they are if you called them gentlemen, or even fellow Americans. They are neither. They are trash.

]]> By: Ryan Neat http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/26/roberts-and-the-activist-solicitor-general/comment-page-2/#comment-77066 Ryan Neat Wed, 27 Jul 2005 04:15:29 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1441#comment-77066 "Save your arguments for the occasional conservative who knows how to debate." That's an oxymoron. CONservatives don't 'debate' they 'bait' like Fake did. They can't focus on facts and failures because their party always pops up. Look at this particular thread. Republicans claimed that they were coming to power based on 'values' and leadership, yet they have been the most secretive and lying administration in history. Folks like 'fake' talk about mental illness because they recognize that their party and its leadership is crazy - yet instead of accepting this reality they must project it on others to save any shred of the faux reality they live in. I mean look at the treason and ineptitude this administration has done in the last 5 years. 1) They ignored the 9/11 warnings and allow the attacks to hit us from their ineptitude. 2) They get hit by AlQueda, who was trained by their own leadership to fight Russia under BushI 3) They fail to finish the job in Afghanistan 4) They omit the fact that THEY (CONservatives) supplied the WMDs to Iraq under Reagan. 5) They omit the fact that they illegally began bombing Iraq before Congressional approval. 6) They lie about the reasons and evidence for war in Iraq. 7) They smear a covert CIA agent because their lies were exposed. 8) .... Unfortunately I'll be here all night if I list ALL of the acts of barbarism, lies, deceipt, treachery and treason this administration has committed against the american people. Fake is the same sleaze that supported Fascist realms during the 1930s when they were committing crimes against humanity. I'm always disturbed at how insane CONservatives consistently are... “Save your arguments for the occasional conservative who knows how to debate.”

That’s an oxymoron. CONservatives don’t ‘debate’ they ‘bait’ like Fake did. They can’t focus on facts and failures because their party always pops up.

Look at this particular thread. Republicans claimed that they were coming to power based on ‘values’ and leadership, yet they have been the most secretive and lying administration in history. Folks like ‘fake’ talk about mental illness because they recognize that their party and its leadership is crazy – yet instead of accepting this reality they must project it on others to save any shred of the faux reality they live in.

I mean look at the treason and ineptitude this administration has done in the last 5 years.

1) They ignored the 9/11 warnings and allow the attacks to hit us from their ineptitude.
2) They get hit by AlQueda, who was trained by their own leadership to fight Russia under BushI
3) They fail to finish the job in Afghanistan
4) They omit the fact that THEY (CONservatives) supplied the WMDs to Iraq under Reagan.
5) They omit the fact that they illegally began bombing Iraq before Congressional approval.
6) They lie about the reasons and evidence for war in Iraq.
7) They smear a covert CIA agent because their lies were exposed.
8) ….

Unfortunately I’ll be here all night if I list ALL of the acts of barbarism, lies, deceipt, treachery and treason this administration has committed against the american people. Fake is the same sleaze that supported Fascist realms during the 1930s when they were committing crimes against humanity. I’m always disturbed at how insane CONservatives consistently are…

]]> By: Krazny http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/26/roberts-and-the-activist-solicitor-general/comment-page-2/#comment-77064 Krazny Wed, 27 Jul 2005 03:52:56 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1441#comment-77064 Sorry NeD had to go live my life. Anyway the burden of proof is not on me. you are the one saying the it is unprecedented to ask for the documents, not I. That places the burden of proof on you. think that was in debate 101. Sorry NeD had to go live my life. Anyway the burden of proof is not on me. you are the one saying the it is unprecedented to ask for the documents, not I. That places the burden of proof on you.

think that was in debate 101.

]]> By: Brian http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/26/roberts-and-the-activist-solicitor-general/comment-page-2/#comment-77062 Brian Wed, 27 Jul 2005 03:47:29 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1441#comment-77062 There is a whole class of people who are happy with whomever becomes president. The rationale being "I make enough money that I can handle a Democrat, because I'm socially liberal. Likewise, I wouldn't mind a fiscal conservative because I won't turn down the extra money" Now while I don't agree with the math on these sentiments I do know that many of my friends as well as myself used to think this way. It's the "half full" voter. We're not this way anymore. And it does not have a damn thing to do with being a liberal. I supported the war 100%. And even if people still support the war in some existential, abstract patriotic way, there is no denying that most people now feel this war was bogus. And the folks who run the Bush Gov't are not here to stay. There is a whole class of people who are happy with whomever becomes president. The rationale being “I make enough money that I can handle a Democrat, because I’m socially liberal. Likewise, I wouldn’t mind a fiscal conservative because I won’t turn down the extra money”
Now while I don’t agree with the math on these sentiments I do know that many of my friends as well as myself used to think this way. It’s the “half full” voter.

We’re not this way anymore. And it does not have a damn thing to do with being a liberal. I supported the war 100%. And even if people still support the war in some existential, abstract patriotic way, there is no denying that most people now feel this war was bogus. And the folks who run the Bush Gov’t are not here to stay.

]]> By: Fake Dilemashim http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/26/roberts-and-the-activist-solicitor-general/comment-page-2/#comment-77056 Fake Dilemashim Wed, 27 Jul 2005 03:09:17 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1441#comment-77056 Here, I'll test you. LOL You libs are just angry .I see the pure anger in everything you say as you are all traitors to America. You just can't get over 2000 and 2004 . We are in power and we are here to stay . Liberalism is an illness and it is dying.Keep going after Karl Rove it is useless and laughable, LOL , next week it will be someone else.Pipe dreams.LOL And how about Ted Kennedy and Bill Clinton,Hilary,Whitewater,bj's, Pres. Johnson,John Kennedy,Germany,Japan ,WW11,2001,2004,Gore, that yeller Dean,Hilary,Clinton,Bill,bj,s,Ted,Jack,John,Bill,, bj,Rather,Gore Bj's...so anything we do is OK.LOL Here, I’ll test you.
LOL You libs are just angry .I see the pure anger in everything you say as you are all traitors to America. You just can’t get over 2000 and 2004 . We are in power and we are here to stay . Liberalism is an illness and it is dying.Keep going after Karl Rove it is useless and laughable, LOL , next week it will be someone else.Pipe dreams.LOL
And how about Ted Kennedy and Bill Clinton,Hilary,Whitewater,bj’s, Pres. Johnson,John Kennedy,Germany,Japan ,WW11,2001,2004,Gore, that yeller Dean,Hilary,Clinton,Bill,bj,s,Ted,Jack,John,Bill,, bj,Rather,Gore Bj’s…so anything we do is OK.LOL

]]> By: Brian http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/26/roberts-and-the-activist-solicitor-general/comment-page-2/#comment-77054 Brian Wed, 27 Jul 2005 02:58:10 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1441#comment-77054 Let me help: Barry Bonds* Sammy Sosa* Mark McGuire* LBJ* John Roberts* Let me help:
Barry Bonds*
Sammy Sosa*
Mark McGuire*
LBJ*
John Roberts*

]]> By: Barry http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/26/roberts-and-the-activist-solicitor-general/comment-page-2/#comment-77053 Barry Wed, 27 Jul 2005 02:54:06 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1441#comment-77053 I agree that NeD doesn't have the skill set to have a conversation that goes beyond the first level. Clearly, most right wingers generally don't. That's why having a discussion with NeD (them) is pointless because you go around in circles. My point, though, is to disregard NeD. Otherwise, he just drags moderates and liberals into name calling, too. Save your arguments for the occasional conservative who knows how to debate. I agree that NeD doesn’t have the skill set to have a conversation that goes beyond the first level. Clearly, most right wingers generally don’t. That’s why having a discussion with NeD (them) is pointless because you go around in circles. My point, though, is to disregard NeD. Otherwise, he just drags moderates and liberals into name calling, too. Save your arguments for the occasional conservative who knows how to debate.

]]> By: Ryan Neat http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/26/roberts-and-the-activist-solicitor-general/comment-page-2/#comment-77045 Ryan Neat Wed, 27 Jul 2005 02:34:24 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1441#comment-77045 Barry, Then re-post information relative to the thread. Don't just complain about what's going wrong by adding to the same distractive discourse - discuss the original posting and bring it back on thread. The fact is that the Solicitor's General has become the progandists general - and NED is just one of the foot soldiers fighting the good 'corrupt' fight out of stupid blind duty. He can't help being programmed into an idiot apparatus - it's his lot in life. It's clear he has neither the will nor the intellect to break his programming... Barry,

Then re-post information relative to the thread. Don’t just complain about what’s going wrong by adding to the same distractive discourse – discuss the original posting and bring it back on thread.

The fact is that the Solicitor’s General has become the progandists general – and NED is just one of the foot soldiers fighting the good ‘corrupt’ fight out of stupid blind duty. He can’t help being programmed into an idiot apparatus – it’s his lot in life. It’s clear he has neither the will nor the intellect to break his programming…

]]> By: Nixon's Ghost http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/26/roberts-and-the-activist-solicitor-general/comment-page-2/#comment-76972 Nixon's Ghost Wed, 27 Jul 2005 02:04:26 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1441#comment-76972 They will all be in prison in five years. All of them. They aren't as good as I was. They will all be in prison in five years. All of them. They aren’t as good as I was.

]]> By: Susan http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/26/roberts-and-the-activist-solicitor-general/comment-page-2/#comment-76871 Susan Wed, 27 Jul 2005 01:19:41 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1441#comment-76871 Since I send out many press releases I look at many newspapers across the country. I found an article in a very small town paper about the lies of Bush. I was so proud to read an article from a rural area that condemns the administration. See people, real Americans have woken up! votetoimpeach.org Since I send out many press releases I look at many newspapers across the country. I found an article in a very small town paper about the lies of Bush. I was so proud to read an article from a rural area that condemns the administration. See people, real Americans have woken up!

votetoimpeach.org

]]> By: Terrytheturtle http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/26/roberts-and-the-activist-solicitor-general/comment-page-2/#comment-76861 Terrytheturtle Wed, 27 Jul 2005 00:50:56 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1441#comment-76861 I agree with Clandy. It is very useful to stay on message and keep the finger firnly pointed at the mendacity of this neo-fascist cabal. For grins though, I would like us to have a collection for a 'join-up' bonus for Ned so that when this chickenhawk gets off the fence and joins up, we can help him on his way. I agree with Clandy. It is very useful to stay on message and keep the finger firnly pointed at the mendacity of this neo-fascist cabal.

For grins though, I would like us to have a collection for a ‘join-up’ bonus for Ned so that when this chickenhawk gets off the fence and joins up, we can help him on his way.

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