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I can not agree with you in 100% regarding some thoughts, but you got good point of view

I can not agree with you in 100% regarding some thoughts, but you got good point of view

I can not agree with you in 100% regarding some thoughts, but you got good point of view

I can not agree with you in 100% regarding some thoughts, but you got good point of view

I can not agree with you in 100% regarding some thoughts, but you got good point of view

I can not agree with you in 100% regarding some thoughts, but you got good point of view

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I can not agree with you in 100% regarding some thoughts, but you got good point of view

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you missed my point on talk radio. Rush is not an “aquired taste”. With Talk radio you either agree or you don’t. to claim it has some valid political pourpose is ridiculous.

Here’re the details:
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGPOL100142005

25 May 2005

Amnesty International Report 2005
Speech by Irene Khan (extracts)
at Foreign Press Association

Many millions feel betrayed and let down by the failure of governments and the international community to uphold human rights.

…the US government and its allies who lead the “War on Terror” continue to persist with politically convenient but ineffective strategies, which undermine human rights.

Furthermore, the US, as the unrivalled political, military and economic Super Power, sets the tone of governmental behaviour world-wide. By thumbing its nose at the rule of law and human rights, what message does the US send to repressive regimes who have little regard for the rule of law anyway?

By lowering the human rights standards, the US has weakened its own moral authority to speak out on human rights.

By actively supporting repressive regimes as allies in the War on Terror, US, the EU and others actually promote greater insecurity. Uzbekistan is a case point. Belated calls for transparency and accountability cannot hide their earlier support and silence on human rights abuse by Karimov’s government.

But nothing shows the disregard of international law as clearly as the attempts by the US, UK and some European
countries to set aside the absolute prohibition of torture and ill treatment by re-definition and “rendering”
– or the transfer prisoners to regimes that are known to use torture. In effect sub-contracting torture, yet keeping their own hands and conscience clean.

Under this dangerous agenda, justice is not only denied, it is also distorted.

In the US, almost a year after the Supreme Court decided that detainees in Guantanamo should have access to judicial review, not one single case from among the 500 or so detained has reached the courts because of stonewalling by the Administration.

Under this agenda some people are above the law and others are clearly outside it.
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Guantanamo has become the gulag our times, entrenching the notion that people can be detained without any recourse to the law.
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If Guantanamo evokes images of Soviet repression, “ghost detainees” — or the incommunicado detention of unregistered detainees – bring back the practice of “disappearances” so popular with Latin American dictators in the past. According to US official sources there could be over 100 ghost detainees held by the US.

In 2004 thousands of people were held by the US in Iraq, hundreds in Afghanistan and undisclosed numbers in undisclosed locations.

AI is calling on the US Administration to “close Guantanamo and disclose the rest”. What we mean by this is: either release the prisoners or charge and prosecute them with due process.

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–”The stories they told were remarkably similar terrible beatings, hung from wrists and beaten, removal of clothes, hooding, exposure naked to extreme cold, –They all confirmed that all this treatment was by Americans
… … Several mentioned the use of electric shocks — some had this done; many saw it done.
Notes of a US lawyer after meeting Kuwaiti detainees in Guantánamo Bay in January 2005

The abuses photographed in Abu Ghraib were universally condemned, but these have not been the last incidents of
torture and ill-treatment by US officials. Reports of abuses continue to emerge from Afghanistan, Guantánamo
Bay, Iraq and elsewhere.

The US government has conducted reviews and investigations but they have not had the independence or reach necessary. A full, transparent and independent investigation of crimes must take place to ensure accountability for the human rights violations that are alleged to have occurred in US custody, including arbitrary detentions, “disappearances”, torture and other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment.

Prosecutions must follow such an investigation, to prevent further torture and ill-treatment. Detainees have been subjected to conditions of prolonged isolation, sleep and sensory deprivation, sexual and other humiliation, mock executions and other threats. To stop these practices, in the name of the “war on terror”, call on President Bush to act now.

Take action! email your message to: comments@whitehouse.gov

Write to President Bush urging him to support the establishment of an independent commission of inquiry to
investigate the detention and interrogation policies and practices in the “war on terror” and the appointment
of a special counsel to prosecute any officials involved in torture and ill-treatment.

During the Clinton presidency, Rush Limbaugh spent quite a lot of time telling jokes describing the first lady having oral sex. If that’s an “acquired taste” then I’d rather not acquire it.

JFG – you comprehended something completely different from what I wrote. Plus, you never addressed wheter or not you think torture is a valid instrument of state.

For the record: I think using torture hurts us more in the long run than helps us in the short run. Dumbya squandered all the moral and political high ground we got after 9/11 with so many things. I’m against torture for several reasons.
1) we are supposed to be representing a higher ideal to the rest of the world. We can’t subjugate the entire world with military force or dollars, we need them to conciously make a choice to go our way because of what we stand for.
2) It’s gonna come back to boomerang against the men and women in the armed forces. How are you going to say our people shouldn’t be treated that way when we apparently do it. I don’t care whether or not the Geneva Convention technically applies. This is a moral and spiritual decision on my part.
3) I’m not against using coercion or some level of discomfort in certain instances. We’ve all seen that bushco RAN not Walked over the line that separates what is OK with what isn’t. Then he lied about it (par for all those who say things against this administration).

Spin it however you want. In your moral universe lying and torturing people is OK. It isn’t in mine.