Frist: Science Passing Bush By
Frist: Science Passing Bush By
At today’s press briefing, White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan was asked about Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist’s statement today on stem cell research. McClellan took issue with a reporter’s characterization of Frist’s release: “the president is stuck in a 2001 decision when the science is passing him by.” It makes sense that McClellan doesn’t want to admit that even Frist, who is usually a loyal ally of the President, is starting to waver. But, in the statement, it’s clear that Frist has finally accepted the fact that the President’s stem cell research policy is failing:
On August 9, 2001, shortly after I outlined my principles (Cong. Rec. 18 July 2001: S7846-S7851), President Bush announced his policy on embryonic stem cell research. His policy was fully consistent with my ten principles, so I strongly supported it. It federally funded embryonic stem cell research for the first time. It did so within an ethical framework. And it showed respect for human life.
[snip]
While human embryonic stem cell research is still at a very early stage, the limitations put in place in 2001 will, over time, slow our ability to bring potential new treatments for certain diseases. Therefore, I believe the President’s policy should be modified. We should expand federal funding (and thus NIH oversight) and current guidelines governing stem cell research, carefully and thoughtfully staying within ethical bounds.
Then again, maybe Frist is just trying to prove he still deserves that MD degree.
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Why can’t you guys just be happy that Frist did a good thing?
July 29th, 2005 at 4:40 pm“The Culture of Life” is about to drop from #4 on this week’s Billboard Top 10 GOP Sound Bites.
July 29th, 2005 at 4:51 pmNow’s the time to ensure veto-proof passage of a stem cell research bill by renaming it the “Ronald Reagan Life Legacy Act.”
July 29th, 2005 at 4:54 pmcaught part of his speech this morning and won’t fault him for his flip-flop, whatever political calculations they are based on.
July 29th, 2005 at 4:55 pmBUT, I almost sprayed my orange juice across the living room when I heard him say, “As a physician, I do not wish to give false hope” (regarding what cures stem cell research might bring). “AS A PHYSICIAN I DO NOT WISH TO GIVE FALSE HOPE”! Isn’t that exactly what you did in your video “diagnosis” of Terri Schiavo? You hypocrite bastard! You even used the words “as a physician” then too. You should have your medical license taken away!
I am glad to see that Mr. Frist did what his oath demands he do. I am glad to see that he, this time, decided to be a doctor instead of a Bush ass scratcher.
But I can’t JUST be happy. It’s like being happy that Charles Manson has taught someone to read in jail. I mean, yay to helping, but it’s hard to forget all of the other evil deeds. Besides, everything he does is for an ultimate goal in 08 or, perhaps, 12. It is more than obvious that most people agree with stem cell research – DUH!!! If he were to go against it, along with his Schiavo debacle, it would have meant the end of his dream – FOREVER.
So, kudos to him for doing something in his best interest that happened to help us all. Hmmmm thanks? It’s tantamount to, as we say here in TN, a left-handed compliment.
July 29th, 2005 at 4:55 pmMaybe part of Frist’s political calculus in his flip-flop is something he knows about Delay’s future. HMMMMMMM?
July 29th, 2005 at 4:56 pmFrist’s rationale for the change of position?
“I question it based on a review of the video footage which I spent an hour or so looking at last night in my office. Stem cells certainly do not seem to respond to visual stimuli.”
Frist must have concluded that stem cells are in a “persistent vegetative state.”
July 29th, 2005 at 5:27 pmPerhaps Frist began listening to his constituency? or logic and reason? I doubt the latter, but it does seen like a handwashing.
July 29th, 2005 at 5:29 pmI will personally examine, by videotape, each of the embryonic stem cells to see if they respond to visual stimuli.
July 29th, 2005 at 5:53 pmDarn, someone beat me to the visual stimuli joke. :)
July 29th, 2005 at 5:54 pmOne can only hope that he catches hell from his army of wingnuts. I think he wants to be Dr. Pres. Then he can manipulate his opinions so that embryos (snowflake babies) can be used for research, but women have no reproductive rights.
July 29th, 2005 at 5:55 pmHe’s makin up for Schiavo.
July 29th, 2005 at 6:17 pmHe’s makin up for gun lobby.
He’s pro stem cell because Rove told him to.
He is still a oppurtunistic piece of garbage. I bet he smells like Old Spice.
This move by Frist is merely an attempt to help his run for President in 2008. Perhaps the talented doctor has the ability to view those frozen embryos via his office VCR to determine its viability.
July 29th, 2005 at 6:18 pmThere is NOTHING, by NO ONE, in this administration that can be taken at face value. They are all corrupt. They are all self-serving. They are all power-mad.
Frist would not be pro research funding without backing of GOP. There is no way.
July 29th, 2005 at 6:28 pmThis is calculated.
They’ve already drawn, quartered and flayed him over at redstate.org. As far as they are concerned, he can’t run for dogcatcher anymore (of course they are more self important than even any liberals that I know).
I’m not gonna bag Frist because he came clean. But we poke fun at anyone, particularly flip flopping conservatives here at thinkprogress. So, chill, we’re just pointing out his flopping & having a good time doing it.
He’s still a huge pimple on all our butts though.
July 29th, 2005 at 6:30 pmI’m glad he changed his position, but I still don’t want him as president, senator, doctor, or in any position of power. But that’s just me…
July 29th, 2005 at 6:31 pmThe GOP got the Jesus vote.
July 29th, 2005 at 6:37 pmThey’re in deep s**t.
They’re regrouping by resorting to being mainstream again.
Bet yer buns Bush/Rove told him to change, but they haven’t decided to veto or not.
No trolls today must be on vay k. They probably booked a group trip to Fire Island,(NY).
July 29th, 2005 at 7:07 pmI was reading the reaction at RedState and came across this gem by Augustine. He doesn’t think of stem cells as embryos. This is a quote from him:
“. . .we should not embrace taxpayer funding for the destruction of embryonic people.”
Embryonic people??????
That is just about the funniest thing I have read all day.
July 29th, 2005 at 8:28 pmRecently Frist was brought into the Oval office and was allegedly given a stern talking to about a Frist/GOP change of position. I can’t remember what that was.
July 29th, 2005 at 9:42 pmAnyone remember? About a month ago?
Frist is thinking past Bush to the 2008′ presidential election and what opposing stem cell research would’ve meant to the mainstream of American voters.
Don’t be so quick to praise Frist — this was a cynical, political move IMHO, and nothing more.
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July 29th, 2005 at 11:47 pmFrist is a surgeon, not a geneticist. But you didn’t let me down, I told my wife today TP would latch on to this to bash Bush with, and here you are. Eugenics are alive and well, you will get your master race yet. But not so fast, let’s see if the science catches up with the wishful thinking, hell Edwards promised he could heal superman, and now Frist has all but assured he can’t get the nomination. Maybe you guys will draft him, LOL.
July 30th, 2005 at 12:45 amI’ll have to agree with you, Fake. Stockpiling sperm and youngins is wierd. My personal opinion is if you’re not meant to have kids, then don’t. But that is not acceptable to most people. At the very least leave the internal stuff at home and adopt.
July 30th, 2005 at 6:00 amBut I digress. Privacy is the issue here. Overall, I don’t think Frist gained or lost anything, though.
Call me contrarian, but Frist’s position in meaningless.
Until scientists can make immunologically tolerated stem cells these therapies won’t work – the cells will be rejected by a patient’s immune system, and unlike a liver we’re talking a small amount of foreign material to attack (some would say that the brain is privileged but I don’t see people regularly injecting crap into their heads presently).
If Frist supported nuclear transfer of a patient’s DNA to an de-nucleated egg for creation of stem cells (cloning, as done in South Korea) I’d agree he’s taken a heroic step as this would actually provide a realistic path to curing disease.
July 30th, 2005 at 8:08 amHoly cow! There are two of you!
July 30th, 2005 at 10:05 amOf course frist is breaking with bush on stem cell research because unlike bush,frist actually had to pay attention in medical school to earn his degree, and as a result frist seems to have a modicum of intelligence
July 30th, 2005 at 12:47 pm(hard to accept I know) and frist obviously sees the huge profit potential in stem cell research, and as soon as they can convince rove that the potential for profit is more important than coddling the religous right,watch ol douchebag do an about-face on the issue.
Two of whom, Marie?
July 30th, 2005 at 12:53 pmFrist is still a freak in my opinion. More than likely someone close to him has been diagnosed with a disease that stem cells may help. Until the freaks need it themselves they oppose everything. Whomever this person is that is sick, I hope he/she does not recieve the benefits of stem cells. Hypocrits should not be allowed to use medical break throughs that they once opposed.
July 30th, 2005 at 1:06 pmand as soon as they can convince rove that the potential for profit is more important than coddling the religous right,watch ol douchebag do an about-face on the issue.
Good one x.
ol douchebag … lmfao!
July 30th, 2005 at 1:40 pmIf it takes naked political ambition for a greedy, stupid person like Frist to finally do something right, then that’s why politics was invented in the first place.
July 30th, 2005 at 1:50 pmSorry, Brian,
July 30th, 2005 at 1:55 pmThere are two “fake but accurates” — he’s married! Yikes.
We already know Mrs. Fakes teeth are fake but what about her boobs? Do they get them down there in the trailer park?
July 30th, 2005 at 2:46 pmMore on Bush and science: http://dearkitty.modblog.com/core.mod?show=blogview&blog_id=651380
July 30th, 2005 at 3:06 pmSo its finally come to this – I agree with the worst senate leader in history in opposing a central policy of the worst president in history. Argh – not much joy in that!
http://www.hairytruth.blogspot.com
July 30th, 2005 at 3:43 pmTruth, Frist is changing his position because he now needs the technology for himself or someone he loves. Don’t be fooled, you’ll be hearing about the person who could benefit that is dear to him shortly.
I hope its him.
July 30th, 2005 at 5:12 pmSuzy, now you go after my wife? She is what you called, “African.” She didn’t like that you didn’t know that black Americans are not “African,” but she knows racism boils down to mostly a matter of intelligence, so she said she understands. Now her teeth are real, her smile the most beautiful I have ever seen, her breasts, real, and the only nourishment our daughter has known in her four months of life, isn’t that what they were for? Some of you people are really sick, just so full of hate you can’t see straight, it’s pathetic.
July 30th, 2005 at 10:18 pmYou’re my man, f.b.a.!
Once again you prove that we conservatives, our peckers know no bigotry.
July 30th, 2005 at 10:46 pmOnly a coward needs a new name every time they post. Grow up. Now you troll on your own blogs? How freaking lame can you get, and this after I was accused of being every conservative on here, LOL.
July 30th, 2005 at 11:32 pmSuzy, now you go after my wife?
Rachel Corrie was somebody’s daughter, sister, girlfriend. That didn’t stop you. She didn’t live long enough to be a wife and mother. Screw you and your a wife. I’m colorblind and don’t care what color she is. Race is irrelevant. If she married you, she’s got bigger problems than being black in America. I don’t buy it anyway.
July 30th, 2005 at 11:46 pmCorrie was helping terrorists, burnt our flag on foreign soil, helped brainwash pali kids, and got herself under several tons dozer. OOOOPs, not a good idea, happens here on jobsites to stupid people as well, you gotta watch those things. She was no peace activist, she chose her side, she is not a hero, she was helping palis kill Israelis, and she got what she wanted, her name in the news.
July 31st, 2005 at 12:31 amAs for the rest, whatever, you’re colorblind but still support affirmative action, racial quotas, reparations, and crack for votes? You celebrate MLK day, but we live the dream, and you are to stupid to understand what he even meant. Who won in 2004? not your guy. Who gets to choose the SCOTUS justice? Not your side. You went to my blog, but that’s all you know enough to comment about? Pancake Corrie? LOL.
We know… women are fair game on your side. Valerie Plame, Rachel Corrie. We go after women like you, who hide behind your “little wifey’s” skirt. You are the only terrorist that concerns me. The homegrown kind.
July 31st, 2005 at 2:32 amAnd the audacity of monsters like Fake, to invoke the name and life of MLK. These monsters have no shame. They must never be allowed to succeed. They must be stopped, by ANY means necessary.
July 31st, 2005 at 3:01 amFake’s Fake World
http://www.dentonrc.com/sharedcontent/dws/drc/localnews/stories/073005dnmetconstable.207cbbab.html
Denton constable faces sex charges
The Colony: Case in Colorado alleges intent to assault a child
10:21 PM CDT on Friday, July 29, 2005
By JAY PARSONS / The Dallas Morning News
A Denton County constable drove to a Colorado restaurant on Thursday and called a woman he met through the Internet to let her know he had arrived, according to court papers.
Instead of Marsha showing up with her 8-year-old daughter for a sexual encounter, he met her colleagues – Cañon City, Colo., police officers.
Larry Dale Floyd, a 62-year-old constable from The Colony, was arrested on suspicion of soliciting to have sex with a child and was charged with seven related crimes, Cañon City police said.
Mr. Floyd was being held at the Fremont County Detention Center in southern Colorado on $100,000 cash-only bail. He could not be reached for comment.
Texas and Colorado investigators are looking into Mr. Floyd’s life for evidence of other encounters with children, said Dave Bodycomb, a Cañon City police records clerk.
“They have suspicion he’s done that,” Mr. Bodycomb said.
Investigators would not comment further, but court papers detail sexually explicit conversations with an undercover officer dating to June 2.
Charges against Mr. Floyd include conspiracy and criminal intent to commit sexual assault on a child, pandering of a child, inducement of child prostitution, trafficking in children, criminal solicitation, solicitation for child prostitution and enticement of a child.
A person using the screen name freevacation_formoms contacted Marsha – the undercover officer’s alias – through an online instant messaging service, according to the statement of probable cause released by the clerk’s office of the Fremont County Combined Court.
The person identified himself as Rick from Oklahoma. He described himself as a “very real older male, clean, safe, discreet” with “a motor home so will travel,” according to the document.
Rick asked about Marsha’s 8-year-old daughter, Melissa. He “told me that he had no limits, none at all, other than moms rule,” the officer wrote in the court document.
The officer’s name was redacted in the court papers.
Rick told Marsha about explicit sexual acts he wanted to perform with her and her daughter, according to the document.
“He also told me that he had traveled two times before so far for this same thing,” the officer wrote. “Rick told me that he was looking for one mom into this that he could visit and take on vacation several times a year.”
Child photos
The next day, Rick asked to speak with Melissa on the phone. “He said that she needed to chat with uncle Rick,” the officer wrote.
It’s unclear whether that phone call took place.
Marsha sent Rick childhood photos of a female police officer. They traded several more instant messages, phone calls and e-mails until June 29, when Rick said he planned to visit Cañon City on July 28.
In one phone conversation, Rick asked whether Marsha knew any other children. Marsha replied that she had a friend with a 16-month-old boy and 3-year-old girl.
“He wanted us to be able to have my friend’s two children for the weekend so we could be sexually active with them also,” the officer wrote in the probable cause statement.
“He mentioned a few times that they were the age that they wouldn’t talk and tell and asked if I thought they would,” the officer wrote. “I told that him they wouldn’t.”
On Thursday, the man called Marsha to say he had arrived at a Denny’s restaurant in Cañon City and was waiting for them.
And the police were waiting for him.
Mr. Floyd has been a Denton County constable since 1993. A Republican, Mr. Floyd was unopposed in his most recent re-election in November.
“My promise to the people was to have a high level of visibility and to serve the citizens in a professional manner,” Mr. Floyd wrote on the Web site for his Constable’s Office.
Denton County officials said Friday that it’s not clear what will happen with his Precinct 2 position, which covers The Colony and parts of neighboring cities. The deputy constable is filling in during the interim. He did not return a call for comment.
Because constables are elected, county commissioners cannot remove him, said County Judge Mary Horn of Denton County. The district attorney could take steps for his removal, and if that happens, the commissioners would appoint a replacement, she said.
“We have to let the legal system prove its course, but this is just terrible,” Ms. Horn said. “It’s doubly sad because it implies there are other victims.”
Ms. Horn said she ordered Mr. Floyd’s county-owned computer locked down and would cooperate with outside law enforcement agencies.
Tom Keever, the chief district attorney over Denton County’s civil division, did not return phone messages.
‘Shocked’
“I am shocked and disappointed that he would do something like that,” said Jim Dotson, another Denton County constable. “If they have a case against him, I’d say prosecute to the fullest, regardless of who it is.”
Mr. Floyd is married with three children, according to his Web site. He is a Vietnam War veteran and has served in several law enforcement positions since leaving the Army in 1980, according to his Web site.
“I hope he’s innocent,” said John Dillard, mayor of The Colony. “Anytime something like this happens to a decorated Vietnam War veteran, it’s sad.”
Mr. Bodycomb said the Texas Rangers and the Dallas police Internet Crimes Against Children unit were helping investigate.
Mr. Bodycomb said Cañon City’s part-time Internet Crimes Against Children unit has arrested 10 or 11 people in recent years.
I’ll party when someone flattens you and your fake wife.
July 31st, 2005 at 3:21 amI think MLK would roll over in his grave if he knew you were trying to associate yourself with him in any way, no matter how remotely. If he were alive today, he would be as opposed to you or anything you stand for, and more so opposed to Bush. He would be siding with Rachel Corrie and the Palestinian cause. Don’t defile his name. You are a racist.
July 31st, 2005 at 4:20 amYeah, anytime you want me to rub your fake nose in more of your fake world, let me know. Most criminals and perverts are just like you, Republicans. Especially the cops and politicians.
July 31st, 2005 at 4:23 amIt is taboo to bring your family into these forums unless they contribute.
July 31st, 2005 at 8:06 amI have a friend who is Israeli.
July 31st, 2005 at 8:23 amI don’t like Muslims.
The strife in Israel/Palestine is fringe, and moreso with the Jews.
The Palestinians are fighting for their rightful land.
Israel is an illegal country.
Iraq is an illegal war.
I’m as liberal as they come . I currently live in a commune in Oregon and my wife is consevative. In fact she is a dead ringer for Barbara Bush.My nickname for her is “George Washington with jugs”. So when you, Fake, try and squeeze us all into one box,accuse us of being angry, use reverse psychology(political correctness) and lie to make your points I,and George take offense( even though she is on your side).
July 31st, 2005 at 10:02 amI think Iraqi women should donate their eggs to an Israeli sperm bank and the Iraqi/Israeli embryo implanted into a Chinese woman.
Kind of like Abraham impregnating Hagar. it’d be cool.
Quit picking on Fake. He’s a person, too.
July 31st, 2005 at 11:06 amYou’re high, Ron. Before lunch?
July 31st, 2005 at 11:24 amBrian my wife would never post here because she doesn’t care what you people think, she says you are all lost causes. I brought her up only because I called TP on the Frist post before TP even knew they would post it. You are predictable. Now Israel is an illegal country? LOL.
To the rest of you:
July 31st, 2005 at 12:30 pmWhat did MLK say, “not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character; little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers.”
We live it, Bill Cosby understands it, Clarence Thomas understands it, Condi Rice understands it, you don’t. You are pathetic, small minded bigots who call Colin Powel “uncletom,” who forget the Republican party was formed to oppose slavery, who were and are real progressives. Hell Suzy has stated on this forum Condi Rice was an “African,” WTF was that? Howard Dean and kkk Byrd are not exceptions, they are the rule. Your racism now days is the racism of lowered expectations, of no personal responsibility, of blaming whitey because it’s easier and PC. People like Jesse Jackson and that notorious anti-Semite Al Sharpton set civil rights back while filling their own pockets. Jackson who lied to the TV cameras about MLK’s death and their relationship before his body was even cold. You elevated him to his position, where clintoon sent him as “Special Envoy” to Africa where he and his crooked sons made millions at the expense of untold thousands of lives on that continent. You people would be embarrassed if you were smart enough to see the damage you have done.
Fake is engaged in the oldest form of ethnic cleansing.
July 31st, 2005 at 12:31 pmWe live it, Bill Cosby understands it, Clarence Thomas understands it, Condi Rice understands it
Black people wince when they listen to these people.
They are self-hating members in every group.
July 31st, 2005 at 12:35 pmBeyond What Bill Cosby Said
Theodore M. Shaw
Thursday, May 27, 2004; Page A31
Bill Cosby is a beloved icon. So it gave me no pleasure to follow him to the stage at Constitution Hall on May 17, the 50th anniversary of Brown v. Board of Education, after listening to his remarks.
For his philanthropy toward institutions that have worked on behalf of African Americans, Cosby was being honored by the three institutions, including the Legal Defense and Educational Fund, that share responsibility for winning the Supreme Court decision that broke the back of American apartheid. In his acceptance remarks, however, Cosby told the well-heeled, black-tie audience that “the lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal.”
Unlike the story of Brown, Cosby suggested, this was not about what white people are doing to us; it was about what black people are failing to do for themselves. His remarks excoriated poor black people for their failure to actively raise their children, to teach “knuckleheads” proper English and for spending hundreds of dollars for sneakers while refusing to spend $200 for the educational package “Hooked on Phonics.” Cosby also spoke of “people getting shot in the back of the head [for stealing] a piece of poundcake, and then we run out and we are outraged.” And he wondered why more people from these communities were not incarcerated. “God is tired of you,” he quipped, “and so am I.”
I knew, even before I reached the stage, that Cosby’s comments would be hijacked by those who pretend that racism is no longer an issue and who view poor black people with disdain. So, departing from my own prepared remarks, I embraced the notion of personal responsibility, at the same time calling attention to problems faced by African Americans that are not self-inflicted.
One example is the now infamous Tulia, Tex., drug sting. With no drugs, no money and no weapons recovered, 10 percent of the black population of this small town was arrested and convicted on the word of one corrupt undercover police officer. The sentences ranged from 20 to 341 years. Only after the Legal Defense Fund and other lawyers represented these individuals in post-conviction proceedings were they released.
Predictably, conservatives are applauding Bill Cosby for saying that the problems of the black community stem primarily from personal failures and moral shortcomings. But just as we in the progressive African American community cannot countenance the demonization of poor people, we must not cede the issue of personal responsibility to ideological conservatives. Most poor black people struggle admirably to raise their children well. Parents, including single mothers, work for low wages, sometimes in multiple jobs, to support their families. Recently Cosby recognized this in a press statement in which he emphasized that he was not criticizing everyone in the “black lower economic classes” but intended to issue a “call to action” and to foster “a sense of shared responsibility and action.”
Unlike much of the world, we ignore human rights protections against discrimination on the basis of economic status. As a nation, we wage war on poor people in this country, not on poverty. In many ways we are a nation struggling to maintain our moral compass. Violence and dysfunction in poor black communities are under an especially glaring spotlight. But many of the problems Cosby addressed are largely a function of concentrated poverty in black communities — the legacy of centuries of governmental and private neglect and discrimination.
Cosby’s observations about the senseless violence perpetrated within black communities are undeniable. I do not know anyone who does not condemn it. But Amadou Diallo, shot to death in a hail of 41 bullets by New York police, did not steal a poundcake. He and countless other innocent black people have been killed while unarmed in communities in which policing is driven almost entirely by a “war on drugs” that makes all residents presumptive targets.
Following a recent conversation, Cosby and I agreed on this much: To the extent that he is frustrated and angry about the failure of people to be responsible parents, and about senseless crime and violence, I stand with him; to the extent that we continue to be challenged by the systemic issues of race and racism that the Legal Defense Fund has confronted since the days of my predecessor, Thurgood Marshall, Bill Cosby stands with me.
There is no either/or for anyone who truly works in the interests of African Americans and our nation.
The writer is director-counsel and president of the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund Inc.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A59055-2004May26.html
July 31st, 2005 at 12:42 pmBill Cosby is also a pervert. All Republicans are perverts. He likes to wear whiteface make-up.
July 31st, 2005 at 12:44 pmNot appropriate to compare high end people with low end people. It’s not about color, it’s about money.
July 31st, 2005 at 2:16 pmNothing wrong with a black person wanting to play the game for success and advancement of race. But make no mistake-Cosby and Condi did it for Cosby and Condi.
And yes, Fake. Israel is root of terror. M. Begin invented it, Palestinians mastered it. Created by the useless UN.
July 31st, 2005 at 2:19 pmJews and Muslims lived together just fine prior to Israel.
I’m not anti-Jew.
I think you have to go farther back then Menachem Begin. To be fair, terrorism is warfare and warfare is terrorism. Shock and awe is something out of Sun Tzu, 500 B.C. That being said, the first incidence in the historical record of terrorism, as we try to define it today, were the Sicarii… the Jews.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicarii
July 31st, 2005 at 2:27 pmFake supports terrorists. He is a terrorist. he is the enemy. He will argue that the Jews did what they had to do. Roman legions were occupying their country. The British occupied India. Gandhi managed to defeat them in another way, without resorting to violence and terrorism. Fake is a terrorist.
No man is justified in doing evil on the ground of expediency.
Theodore Roosevelt
The First Progressive and foo\under of the Progressive Party in America
July 31st, 2005 at 2:35 pmGood job Janitor!
July 31st, 2005 at 2:42 pmBut don’t we owe support to Israel? if not for Israel, then the Judeo-Christian legacy and eventual Temple recostruction?
Where’s your defense of Santorum, Fake.
July 31st, 2005 at 2:47 pmI call out the Dem quacks. Where are your balls?
I support the many Israelis and Palestinians who want peace. There are left and right wings in Israel, and Palestine and Egypt, as anywhere else. It wasn’t the Israeli left who assassinated Rabin, it was the Zionist extremists, like Fake. Same with Sadat in Egypt. I’d just as soon that however they work out their differences, we deal with the religious extremists here. They are our problem, and as much as I would love to see them all leave for Jerusalem, for the “Second Coming”, that just wouldn’t be fair. We need to incarcerate them here, until they are cured, or die out.
July 31st, 2005 at 2:57 pmYou’re on fire, Janitor!
July 31st, 2005 at 3:02 pmIsrael wants peace like GOP wants to end abortion. Not so much.
More cowards with more names to hide behind, so if they get the boot, they just come back again, yawn.
July 31st, 2005 at 4:58 pmBrian I think Santorum is a dumbass, but he’s not all wrong about everything. I doubt I would vote for him for president, and I’m sure I wouldn’t vote for Frist, but I will vote against Hillary, even if like many of you with LT. Commie, I must hold my nose. By the way Condi and Powell didn’t come from money, I don’t know Thomas’ life story. My wife didn’t come from a rich family herself, but she finished school near the top of her class, and was more conservative than I when we met, and today. She also has more class in her little finger than the posters on this board, myself included.
Now about Israel and the palis, why is it the pali flag has no place for Israel on it if they want peace so bad? The palis are just surrogates for the impotent arabs to attack Israel with.
Also it sounds like the EU is going to get serious about Iran’s nuke program finally, UN sanctions to come, looks like feeding the crocodile isn’t working out to good for Europe, time to grow a pair, let’s hope they are not to late again.
Gov’t jobs don’t count as “join(ing) hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers.â€?
July 31st, 2005 at 9:52 pmI didn’t say they came from $.
Fair enough on Santorum.
Sounds to me like his wife hates blacks enough to marry a white man. It happens.
“The only thing I want black, is my Cadillac.”
Eldridge Cleaver
Soul on Ice
July 31st, 2005 at 10:31 pmSpike Lee’s film School Daze examines this issue. I doubt Fake’s wife has seen it, or would recognize herself. Although the issue of her own self-loathing and self-hatred is corrolary, it is part of the larger issue of institutionalized racism, even at all black campuses. I simple review. Google it if it interests you. It’s not something that is readily accessible to most whites.
http://www.stomptokyo.com/movies/school-daze.html
School Daze primarily chronicles the lives of two black men on the Mission campus. Dap (Larry Fishburne), a smart, outspoken campus leader, appears at the start of the film, railing against the fact that the school’s major financial contributors own holdings in South Africa. His cousin, Half-Pint (played by Lee), just wants to join the Gamma Phi Gamma fraternity because “a Gamma Man is a real man!” Pledging to Gamma means becoming a Gammite. Gammites dress in silver sweatsuits, leash collars, and combat boots and spend lots of time barking like dogs. (Whatever floats yer boat, that’s our motto.)
Making life hell for Half-Pint and his fellow Gammites are the Gamma Men, who really know how to relieve stress (their own) by abusing the Gammites. The Gamma Men are led by Julian, a sadistic, manipulative bastard and a former friend of Dap’s. Dap disapproves of fraternities in general, but tries to put in a good word for Half-Pint.
Also bringing joy into the lives of audience members are the Gamma Rays, the sorority sisters who apparently live to serve the Gamma Men, and their non-affiliated opposite numbers in the dorms, scornfully referred to as the Jigaboos. The tension between the two groups highlights the division between groups of blacks — the darker, kinkier-haired Jigaboos, and the lighter-skinned “Wannabe-White” Gamma Rays, with straight hair.
To be frank, School Daze is a much more serious film than its dialogue usually lets on. Between the insults, posturing, and funky nicknames (”Yes, Dean Big Brother Al-migh-TEE!”), there’s an undercurrent of cruelty and hate. Lee once wrote that he didn’t think of School Daze as a comedy, as the film was apparently labeled, but we’re surprised that anyone could mistake it as such in the first place. There are funny lines, but the things the characters do and say keep it far from the realm of the lighthearted.
July 31st, 2005 at 10:50 pmFake gives new meaning to the term, “trophy wife”.
July 31st, 2005 at 10:57 pmFake the polygamist:
“Some of my best wives are black.”
July 31st, 2005 at 11:16 pm“Some of my best wives are black.�
July 31st, 2005 at 11:35 pmThat is the funniest thing I’ve heard in a long time.
Think fake plays slave and massa role play with his wife? I bet.
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No wonder you are all screwed up, but take it up with your parents, they are the ones who named you Fake But Accurate! LMAO!
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