Comments on: International Consensus: Bush Terrorism Strategy Failing

By: citizenx

citizenx — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 17:57:03 +0000

Seems to me bushs’ terrorism strategy is working just fine-halliburton’s doing great,record profits for his oil buddies,civil rights being repealed,and he gets to pretend that he’s not an asshole.Yep 911 worked like a charm for him.

By: Keith H.

Keith H. — Mon, 01 Aug 2005 13:24:39 +0000

Bill,
An apology is not an option.
They never make a mistake.

By: William McIntosh

William McIntosh — Mon, 01 Aug 2005 06:45:44 +0000

We cannot make a success out of our invasion of Iraq. The best we can do is to reduce the future casualty count by withdrawing in an orderly but expeditious fashion. We should encourage an Islamic democracy in Iraq, and call for all-Islamic peacekeeping. We should apologize to Iran for our past meddling and strive our best to live up to our principles. We should renounce the scare tactics of trying to stamp out every nuclear reactor in the world and not interfere in Iran’s affairs. Let them have their bomb if they want one. We have little to fear. We need to talk to North Korea directly. We need a new president. Now that I’ve solved those problems, good night. Sleep well, everybody.

By: Don

Don — Mon, 01 Aug 2005 05:14:16 +0000

I’m sorry, Kira, many of us don’t care if the media is bored or not. They have spun this war in concert with the illegal imperialists. Now the chickens are coming home to roost — the spun-dry Americans are starting to say “that’s enough.” Many of us will be out on the streets on September 24th chanting that we want the US military out of Iraq, and we want it now. Not in five to ten years, now. If there’re enough of us, we may have an effect. We have to do it ourselves, because our Congress won’t. We have offered up our dead, and our maimed, and it’s not enough. We need to demonstrate to our corporate-driven government what we want. We want OUT of Iraq. And then let the Iraqis sort out the consequences. Nobody spoon-fed us when we built our country. Viva free Iraq, free of Saddam, free of Americans and free of Bush’s resolve.

By: Kira Zalan

Kira Zalan — Mon, 01 Aug 2005 00:49:03 +0000

Our (gradually reduced) presence in Iraq will be required for the next five to ten years. There is a philosophy that militaries in democracies must adopt. A military force must understand itself to be a tool of the state, subjected to civilian power. The Iraqi military cannot be abandoned until we ensure that they have the necessary institutional ethos of protecting civilian power. An alternative to anarchy could also be a military coup by a self-perceived independent actor.

On the other hand, it seems the media is getting bored with BushÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s resolve. The topic of a troop withdrawal may be just that – a way to stir the pot.

I hope this isnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t just wishful thinking on my part. I hope there are people that understand the consequences of an early withdrawal, and will withstand the mounting pressure of shortsightedness.

By: Susan

Susan — Sat, 30 Jul 2005 21:52:38 +0000

Thank you for your comment Don. I’m not worried about Cheney though, he’s three quarters of the way to his fatal heart attack. The pressure of being prez should do him in just fine.

I’m still hoping and still saying please….

By: Don

Don — Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:45:08 +0000

#30, Susan

I guess we all have our ways of coping. Every day, for some time now, as we travel a lot, whenever we see an American flag at half staff, we cross our fingers and silently hope. Of course it’s silly, because Cheney would be much, much worse. Yes, it’s possible.

By: Keith H.

Keith H. — Sat, 30 Jul 2005 17:46:16 +0000

Trerrorism Strategy ?
What strategy ?
The only strategy junior has is to funnel
every tax dollar possible into the pockets of his butt-hole buddies.
And he seems to be doing very well at it.

By: Susan

Susan — Sat, 30 Jul 2005 17:24:24 +0000

Every single morning myself and my husband wake up and say “will today be the day?”.

“Will the camera’s be rolling”. “Will Foxnews play it over and over again?”

Is today the day we watch Bushie fall dead from a heart attack (or something else) while the camera’s are rolling.

Please, Please…….

By: Don

Don — Sat, 30 Jul 2005 15:25:35 +0000

#23, Marie, Terry’s got it.
“and though I detest that a reporter has been jailed,”
-Don’t think of her as a reporter, that’s inaccurate. Think of Miller as a promoter, or a stenographer, of government positions — really a quite typical corporate media employee. (A total shill for the administration, as you suggest.) In fact, you’ll look long and hard to find any other kind. Those that ever report the un-government position (especially in wartime) tend to get fired, or if they’re in Iraq, shot.

“is she in jail because” — she could be in jail because she’s smart enough to see the royalties from the blockbuster book she may be drafting in this career enhancement stage of her life. I guess the down-side of spoon feeding reporters and using them to promote your agenda, a routine government activity, is that they may turn on you at some point for personal gain. But shredded documents are worthless, and then it’s ‘your word against mine.’

By: Terrytheturtle

Terrytheturtle — Sat, 30 Jul 2005 07:15:40 +0000

#23 Marie – you are on the case here. Tell your friends, your in-laws (yes my in-laws are fascists, I married for the sex, I apologise?) anyone who will listen – it’s not about the poor soul who vanished in Aruba – you are all being screwed here and now.

Miller sold her soul a long time ago to ‘A man from Iran’. She’s loking after her own future and noone else’s. She’s a reporter the same as Bob ‘My teeth are not that pointy?’ Novak is a reporter.

Oh and by the way, It’s all Clinton’s fault.

By: Don

Don — Sat, 30 Jul 2005 03:18:14 +0000

Forget hearing the truth from the generals. General Casey recently said we could start withdrawing troops from Iraq next spring or summer if the Iraqis got trained (big if), then the next day he got slapped down — no withdrawal talk. As Ray Mcgovern writes: Aping the president’s practice of surrounding himself with sycophants, Rumsfeld has promoted a coterie of yes-men to top military ranks Ã¢â‚¬â€œ men who “kiss up and kick down,” in the words of former Assistant Secretary of State Carl Ford, describing UN-nominee John Bolton’s modus operandi at the State Department. So when the president assures us, as he did yesterday, that he will be guided by the “sober judgment of our military leaders,” he is referring to the castrati.

The new JCS Chairman Peter Pace isn’t a typical ‘tell-it-like-it-is Marine, he’s a veteran boot-licker. General Myers, the outgoing Chairman, has had his head up Rummy’s butt for four years, and was in with him on 9/11, but he’s actually showing some independence now, saying this shouldn’t be an all-military show. Trying to bail out, for the record.

To read what a real Marine general, Smedley Butler, had to say, go to: http://www.warisaracket.org.htm

By: Say What?

Say What? — Sat, 30 Jul 2005 01:57:30 +0000

You make some very valid points, koolhandluke. And it was Carlos Santayana who said, “Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it.” And Schwartzkopf, or however you spell it, was right to say after the first Gulf War that Iraq wouldn’t – shouldn’t – be be another Vietnam. Colin Powell, the administration’s Jiminy Cricket, was marginalized when he suggested that invading Iraq was maybe not such a great idea.
The problem with today’s generals is the problem with our government as a whole. Everything has been grossly politicized. That’s not to say the military’s never been political – it is by nature. But today’s generals learned a lesson from General Shalishkasvili (aren’t there any generals whose names are easy to spell?). He spoke up and said we weren’t sending enough troops to Iraq. He’s a civilian now. And a Democrat, I might add. That’s precisely why Abizaid et.al. don’t speak up. They want to retire at grade.
This administration (a period of history I call The Outrage)doesn’t tolerate dissent; not from within the White House, not from Congress, not from the citizenry, not from the press.
Don is afraid that when there’s another attack there will be a further diminution of civil liberties. You bet there will be. And I suspect we’ll all be arrested for posting at this and other sites.
Let’s pray that the electorate wises up next year and realigns Congress so our Special Olympics contestant of a president becomes as lame a duck as a lame duck can be.
But it’s up to every anti-Bush citizen to do something about it. It feels good to jerk each other off in these forums, but preaching to the choir never won an election.

By: Say What?

Say What? — Sat, 30 Jul 2005 01:33:14 +0000

We know, buckfush, we know.

By: Marie

Marie — Fri, 29 Jul 2005 23:12:47 +0000

Ver-r-y interesting! All plausible. It is like a human game of “Clue” — a real whodunit.
About Judith Miller, I know she was an outlet for Ahmed Chalabi’s propaganda; and though I detest that a reporter has been jailed, I am questioning all of that now since I am suspicious of everyone. Was she a total shill for the administration? A “legitimate” outlet for any one of them? A sort of “double-agent?” Is she in jail because she is really protecting the bigger fish like Cheney, or Rice? Or is she protecting Bolton, so he can get in the UN?
Unfortunately, they can all come out of the grand jury report with dirt under their fingernails, but the rabid right-wingers will say, Kerry did it. They will launch an investigation into the private lives of the jury and we will be led away from the criminals.

By: Koolhandluke

Koolhandluke — Fri, 29 Jul 2005 23:07:42 +0000

It doesn’t take a report by three other countries intelligence agencies to convince me that the so called “war on terror” isn’t going as well as we are lead to believe. Common sense and history should tell the administration they are creating more terrorist than they are killing. Look at Viet Nam and look at Iraq and you will hear the General saying the same things Westmoreland was saying back then. Gen Casey and Abazaid are political generals like Westmoreland and are will to say what Rumsfeld wants them to say, regradless of the facts on the ground.

We helped Sadam while he was fighting Iran and the monster we helped to create had to be destroyed. We helped to create the Viet Mhin in North Viet Nam to fight the Japanese during WWII and that monster (the Viet Cong) had to be destroyed. The problem in both cases is that the monster didn’t quit fighting and one lived to defeat us. This new monster may do the same, because the people charged with killing the beast won’t admit how dangerous it really is.

Someone once said, “Those who forget the past, are doomed to repeat it”, and it’s seems we’d forgotten the lessons of Viet Nam. Gen Swartskauft said it best when he said of Gulf War I, “This will not be another Viet Nam”, be he remembered Westmoreland and his “Light and the End of the Tunnel” speech. I advise Gen Casey and Abizaid to wise up and speak up before it’s too late. They will go down with the same reputation as Westmoreland unless they stand up and tell the truth. http://WWW.Plainnews.blogspot.com

By: Terrytheturtle

Terrytheturtle — Fri, 29 Jul 2005 22:57:12 +0000

Marie, there is another possible in the Treasongate: Rice. There is a good argument lurking on the net somewhere with that one: Huffington, Kos, I don’t remember. Again she was on board the Africa flight with the memo listing Plame’s status. You could follow her, seemingly incompetent, “I took it out”, “No I didn’t”, “The CIA did it” obfuscation in Spring 2003 when the 16 words were ‘outed’ by Joe Wilson. I initially thought it was simple incompetence: after all she didn’t do anything with the August 6th, 2001 PDB.

But Bolton is Cheney’s huckleberry and Rice is Bush’s, I just don’t know. So there you go: is it ‘Ms Rice in the Plane with the CIA Memo’ or ‘Mr Bolton in the NSA communications with the yellowcake’? Oh if only Judith Miller was a real journalist and not a right-wing hack in Ahmed Chalabi’s pocket.

By: Brian

Brian — Fri, 29 Jul 2005 22:42:33 +0000

I just can’t believe we went to war in Iraq. I just can’t believe it.

By: Marie

Marie — Fri, 29 Jul 2005 22:10:59 +0000

TerrytheTurtle,
Thanks for the tip — so my guess at Cheney was a a near-hit, with Bolton being the likely suspect. That makes sense doesn’t it? It explains the White House cheerleading on his behalf.
If we were to examine all the creeps in this White House, I think we would find they are all full of green slime.

By: Don

Don — Fri, 29 Jul 2005 21:02:02 +0000

Terry,

First, there’re a lot of questions — important questions –about 9/11 that haven’t yet been answered. We don’t know exactly how it happened, or how it was able to happen, without either collusion at the highest level or gross incompetence at many levels. In other words, 9/11 should never have happened, so the fact that it hasn’t happened again doesn’t indicate anything in itself.

Second, we know that Bush’s policy isn’t working. Afghanistan’s a mess with many civilian casualties and — well, we can track a mad cow from Canada over a period of years, but gosh, we just can’t seem to find Mr. Bin Laden. Of course the Bush/Bin Laden family frienships over the years have nothing to do with this, you understand. In Iraq it’s pretty well recognized now that we’re creating trained terrorists by the bucketful. Our policies of harassing and jailing civilians, and confiscating their possessions, make a lot of people unhappy and then when we indiscriminately kill their family members they take up arms against us.

If there’s another attack in the US, I expect there will be a further dimunition of our civil liberties and more war. In other words, more of the same which will lead to more of the same, and so on. And that’s because it concentrates power and profit in the rulers. If this cycle isn’t broken, and I see nothing that will break it, our country will go bust and we’d all better learn Chinese. I’ve already started: tsai chen (goodbye)