The Missing Link, Part II
The Missing Link, Part II
Another bold prediction from ThinkProgress:
In the weeks to come, we’ll hear plenty more about this…
Three weeks after rejecting the pollution-cutting ideas the PM put forward at the G8 summit, [President Bush] signed up to a rival treaty with Australia, China, India, Japan and South Korea.
But the new plan has none of the tough targets to reduce emissions which Mr Blair wanted – and which were first put forward in the Kyoto treaty on climate change.
…and see several more stories like this one…
At least 37 people have died in a severe heat wave that has been spreading eastwards across the US.
Heat warnings were issued in nine eastern states and in the cities of Philadelphia, Washington and Baltimore.
and yet you’ll probably never see anyone draw the connection between the two, which is this: a recent study in the journal Nature showing “that severe heat waves are now four times as likely to occur because of increased carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere.”
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Read an article about jellyfish washing ashore in California due to warmer ocean waters. We’ll just keep our heads buried in the sand… http://www.latimes.com/la-me-jellyfish26jul26,1,6562629.story
July 29th, 2005 at 3:11 pmElections have consequences! It seems that either too many Americans don’t care enough about the environment, consumer protection, civil rights, progress & modernity, or they don’t take the time & proper interest in picking their leaders. Bush and the Repubs didn’t surprise anyone in regards to the environment (or, for that matter, in anything else–they were known qualities a year ago), yet they were re-elected and now we have one-party gov.
The negative effects of environmental deterioration would be felt most severely by the poorest people on our planet. So, if we are to promote a culture of life, shouldn’t we care about the conditions under which people live and try to improve those conditions when it makes a difference?
There are those who are adverse to science, either because they “don’t get it,” or, because it makes them uncomfortable by revealing truths they don’t like. The Bush administration has been actively distorting scientific data. The NOAA scientists report political interference with scientific determinations. The government-funded agency is directed to keep silent if the facts don’t fit the White House policy. Morale is low, and funding is cut. In other words, the conservatives are not for conservation and long-term stewardship of our common treasures like the environment!
July 29th, 2005 at 4:04 pmNo doubt Rick Santorum would attribute the killer heat wave to the cultural relativism of Boston liberals.
July 29th, 2005 at 4:07 pmRemember when Hannity was snickering on Fox about how Gore talked about global warming on a record cold day in New York?
Somebody should ask him about it now.
July 29th, 2005 at 4:27 pmYes, backflush, we know.
July 29th, 2005 at 11:37 pmA lot of people don’t like enviros, tree-huggers. I don’t know why. Bad for business, I guess. “there is nothing like a tree — chopped down and sawed up for lumber,” they say. They go big for cluster bombs and napalm, too. I think they delight in mastering nature, or so they imagine, until the next heat wave kills their aunt and a hurricane wipes out their summer home and wildfires wipe out their winter home. Which boosts the economy, so it increases company earnings and the stock index increases which is always positive to the Conventional Wisdom. Of course we’re worse off, but there’s no index for that.
The worst heat wave in the history of the weather channel. Yes, it never got hot in summer before, you proved your point. By the way, what makes you have such a crush on Kyoto? The EU is just trading off waivers and still are making more emissions now not less, they have no hope of hitting their goal, and that’s with a dead economy. That’s right, you want us to have a dead economy as well. But it makes you feel good, and it is about the only faith you have so I guess I understand. Such scientists you all. LOL. Chickenlittles more like it.
Rise in coal use casts doubts over EU Kyoto commitments
Contrary to the general spirit of the Kyoto climate change treaty, greenhouse gas emissions in the EU rose by 1.5 percent in 2003, when compared with the previous year, a new study has shown. Under the Kyoto Protocol, the EU has committed itself to lowering its greenhouse gas emissions to 8 percent below the 1990 level between 2008-2012. EU Environment Commissioner Stavros Dimas called the figures “disappointing”, underlining the need for member states to ” fully implement all the emission-reduction actions agreed at EU level as well as their own national measures”. According to a study by the European Environment agency, emissions from the EU-15 member states increased by 1.3 percent during 2003, while total EU-25 emissions increased by 1.5 percent. The reason pinpointed to explain the 53 million tonne rise of greenhouse emissions was the decision by some countries to use more coal to produce electricity, as well as a general increase in fossil fuels usage for heating of houses and offices during a colder than usual winter. According to the EEA report, Italy, Finland and the United Kingdom are the three member states that saw the biggest rise in their emissions between 2002 and 2003. But emissions rose in all EU-15 countries during that period, with the exception of Portugal and Ireland, who reduced their emissions by 4.5 and 1.8 million tonnes respectively. However, the report also showed that Austria, Denmark Spain, Portugal and Ireland are the furthest away from meeting their Kyoto targets. Under Kyoto, Austria is supposed to cut its greenhouse gas emissions by 13 percent between 1990 and 2012 – instead its emissions jumped 16.6 percent in 2002 compared to 1990. The Commission is however confident that Kyoto targets will be met by the 2008-12 deadline, stressing the figures are from a time when many green house control initiatives at EU level – such as the seven-months-old EU Emissions Trading Scheme – were not yet in force. Environmental Groups have strongly criticised the trends. According to Jan Kowalzig, from Friends of the Earth, the figures show that “Europe will most likely not meet its obligation to limit dangerous climate change” According to the green group, emissions should have dropped by 5.2 percent in 2003 compared to 1990 for the EU to be able to meet its Kyoto targets. The EEA has published annual studies on EU Greenhouse emissions since 1994, and the most recent one – referring to the year 2003 – came out yesterday (June 21).
Implications of Paleoclimatological Studies
We are living in an abnormally cool period since the earth’s average surface temperature for most of its history averaged 22 Celsius compared to the present 14 C.
Ice ages occur at approximately 250-million-year intervals.
Fossil evidence suggest that during the Mesozoic Era (230 to 50 million years ago) the earth was 10 C to 15 C warmer than today.
One million years ago the current ice-age (Pleistocene) began.
Glacial stages last more than 100,000 years and are interrupted by interglacial stages that last about 10,000 years.
We are now living in an abnormally warm period compared to the earth’s average temperature for the last one million years (during which glaciation has prevailed).
The current interglacial period has been subject to climatic changes on a smaller scale than the change from glacial to interglacial but still large enough to disrupt civilizations.
About 8,000 years ago (climatic optimum) average temperatures in the northern hemisphere averaged a degree or two Celsius higher than those of today. (Rise of Egyptian, Sumerian, and Oriental civilizations.)
About 5,000 years ago regions in north Africa and Arabia which were once covered with lush vegetation turned to desert.
Wet, stormy periods occurred about 4,000 and 3,000 years ago.
So it looks like the climate will continue to change, scary isn’t it? So who is it who thinks they can control the atmosphere? It’s not the Right who talks that trash, it’s you.
July 30th, 2005 at 1:57 amOoh, and what eradicates carbon dioxide? Yes, PLANTS!
But we have destroyed BILLIONS of acres of forest and green, so the CO2 accumulation can’t be disseminated fast enough.
If you want to do something to help, plant a tree. Wasting your time bloviating to the do-nothings in Congress (that is, do-nothing but pass legislation that is BD FOR 99% OF ALL AMERICANS) will accomplish NOTHING.
July 30th, 2005 at 10:31 amWell, fake can say whatever he wants but we the normal people understand that pollution and the destruction of forests can be controlled.
Everybody I know has suffered from sinus problems this year and many others suffer from bronchial problems.
Children are constantly sick and something can be done to reduce the risks to children but Bushie chooses to leave them behind.
I hope Jenna and Barbara are suffering a million times more than the kids I know.
July 30th, 2005 at 12:59 pmI find it amazing the Fake But Full-of-Shit has the wrong point of view on every topic brought up on TP. I am starting to wonder if Fake But Stupid is actually one of the Think Progress editors posting the opposite of what everybody thinks here, just to drum up controversy. It is either that, or he works for those dumb ass neocons.
Either way, he is stupid as hell.
Go choke on a pretzel Fake.
July 30th, 2005 at 4:19 pmComment by fake but accurate  July 30, 2005 @ 1:57 am
Fear of refutation and ridicule. He never includes links. I don’t want him admitted to my Town Hall meetings.
July 30th, 2005 at 4:30 pmI find it amazing the Fake But Full-of-Shit has the wrong point of view on every topic brought up on TP. I am starting to wonder if Fake But Stupid is actually one of the Think Progress editors posting the opposite of what everybody thinks here, just to drum up controversy. It is either that, or he works for those dumb ass neocons.
Either way, he is stupid as hell.
Go choke on a pretzel Fake.
Comment by SpudgeBoy  July 30, 2005 @ 4:19 pm
He is mindless drone. He is my boot boy.
July 30th, 2005 at 4:31 pmBooty Boy is an understatement. I guess that is why I am the way I am. I am an angry American. I am tired of people letting stupid asses like Fake run their lives. That is exactly the type of people we have in government right now. I won’t stand back and let it happen anymore.
All it takes is facts to get most people to realize what is going on. If you just show them, they do an about face.
People like Fake on the other hand on will never wake up to reality. Fake is a waste of human life.
July 30th, 2005 at 4:37 pmI’m in agreement with you Spudgeboy. I know of a person that behaves exactly like fake and believe me it is not a pretty picture.
Sometimes I wonder if fake is the guy I know. This guy I’m referring to is a 23 year old guy my neice went to school with. He is so stricken with anxiety he never leaves the house as he is afraid to ride in cars or other means of transportation. The Health Dept. brings meds to his home (group) and occasionally he’s brave enough to go to a doctor.
He says Bushie is the best president ever and if we don’t like it we can leave the country. Funny statement from someone who wont even leave the house.
The bottom line is he is paranoid and since a govt. agency takes care of him he is afraid to say anything bad about the govt.
It is my guess that fake is a very paranoid person too. He makes statements all the time that can be construde as threats. Just because he’s scared he thinks the scare tactics work on normal people.
Like the 23 year old paranoid guy I know I beleive that fakes condition is so severe no amount of meds will help.
A waste of human life for sure.
July 30th, 2005 at 5:22 pmI know this guy that has hair down to his ass, smokes pot, listens to heavy metal and votes republican. This freaking moron wouldn’t listen to me, at all. I told him that the republicans wouldn’t take him and he didn’t believe me. WHen the RNC rolled into town, he went to the event and they wouldn’t let him in. Why, because “his long hair made him look like a hippy tree hugger.”
Here is the worst part:
He still votes republican, even though he was flat out discreminated against.
Why? Because his dad votes republican. Here is the interesting part that I can’t get him to releaize. His dad is a crew cut wearing professor at a major college. SOmebody the republicans would readily take in to their cirrcle jerk. Why? Because he has money.
Republicans can and will burn in hell for the way they treat people and their beliefs.
Isn’t it ironic how they think they are the religous ones? When everything they do spits in the face of religion.
Hypocritical bastards!
July 30th, 2005 at 5:35 pm#14! You are describing me!
July 30th, 2005 at 5:40 pm#15! Without dumbass crackers like that pot smokin’ hippie, I couldn’t get elected. Thank God for pot and crank!
Heh
July 30th, 2005 at 5:47 pmWow, I never heard of a republican hippie. He may have had a bad trip and destroyed who he is/was. Probably why as a grown man he still takes orders from daddy. There’s no helping the brain dead you just let the meds do their thing. At least your brain dead person has a daddy to pay his way and we the taxpayers don’t have to support him.
P.S. I have nothing against pot smokers. Pot is a plant like any other plant such as lettuce. If you like lettuce, smoke it.
July 30th, 2005 at 6:02 pmI have nothing against people who smoke pot. I just wanted to make sure everybody got the correct mental pitucre of what this guy looks, sounds and acts like. Picture Tommy Chong at the RNC.
“Like wow man.”
July 30th, 2005 at 7:08 pmFake butt inaccurate is a consistent voice for the underrepresented wealthy imbecile class best represented by illegitimate president Bush. He will no doubt have no problem using his hereditary wealth to avoid the inconvenience of global climate change. In the meantime, the plebs will just have to suffer with the do-nothing, know-nothing ignorance of the backbiting bimbos of Bushism, groveling before their perceived betters and defending the fourth horseman.
July 30th, 2005 at 7:40 pmWhat happened scientists? You google up Paleoclimatology and realize you didn’t have a leg to stand on? Where are all the hurricanes now? It’s nice and calm for the moment. Where is your data to show how the EU signing off on Kyoto has done a damn thing but cost them money? It’s been 12 hours, you just don’t care about the environment now? LOL.
July 31st, 2005 at 12:38 pmI didn’t really look into global warming much before TP started running around with it head on fire over Kyoto and accusing Bush of meddling in scientific research in order to push his rich buddies agenda. I knew enough to know global warming had not been proven and Kyoto was BS, and I left it at that. The more I look into it, the more I find someone wants Kyoto in place bad enough to fake the research, and now it’s going to come out soon, I think that’s why this thread has become abandoned as it has. Besides the name calling, no one has even tried to refute my posts, is it because while looking for evidence to support your claims you found out the truth?
http://energycommerce.house.gov/108/Letters/062305_Mann.pdf
August 1st, 2005 at 2:14 amFYI Nicco, Dec 2004 is not very recent by the way, but whatever. You may want to read the info you post next time to make sure it doesn’t contradict your point: “the anthropogenic contribution can be quantified.”
August 1st, 2005 at 2:22 amI’m not going to argue the truth or fallacy of global warming theories in this comment. I meerly want to repeat one small historical fact and try to introduce some semblence of common sense.
The fact: No matter how much one may favor the Kyoto Treaty the fact is that when the Clinton Administration submitted it for Senate ratification it failed with a resounding, bi-partisian thud. If I recall correctly not a single senator voted for it.
Common sense: In view of the above mentioned fact, any discussion that assumes adherence to Kyoto standards as a possibility is nothing but fantasy. One may just as well argue that giant, pollution-eating mutants be utilized to reduct greenhouse emmisions.
This does not mean that I think Kyoto is a bad (or good) idea, just that I recognize it will not be implemented in my lifetime, if ever. Therefore it seems to me that “something is better than nothing”. The agreement Bush reached may not be as good as Kyoto but so what? Kyoto was never going to ratified by the U.S. and several European countries have already announced that they will not be bound by it even though they signed it. Thus arguing that any other agreement doesn’t measure up to Kyote is pointless.
Does anyone have a meaningful argument against this agreement or are criticisms limited to whining that it’s not like the Kyoto accords?
August 1st, 2005 at 1:44 pm[...] but it’s tough to argue with the numbers. “The five named tropical storms recorded in July were the most on record for that month, and worldwide it was the second warmest July on record,” AP reports. 3:12 pm | Comment (0) [...]
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