Conservatives Behaving Badly
Conservatives Behaving Badly
Beware!
According to the uber-conservative mag Human Events online, there are some dangerous government programs afoot! The magazine surveyed a panel of so-called “distinguished policy experts,” like Phyllis Schlafly, Tony Perkins and former House Majority Leader Dick Armey about the top 10 most harmful government programs.
The resulting list includes such injurious programs as Medicare (”These programs have socialized health care for seniors”), Social Security (”the program has socialized the retirement of Americans”), the Endangered Species Act (”the law has been used by environmentalists in their efforts to stop development and economically fruitful activity in vast stretches of the West”) and the Corporation for Public Broadcasting (”it funds programming with a liberal bias”).
(Not making the list of harmful government programs: the war in Iraq, President Bush’s tax cuts or the recent tax breaks given to big oil. Any others they’ve left out?)
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How about the Bush Administration. That has to be the number one program that is harming America.
August 1st, 2005 at 3:26 pmThat would be the number one program that “Never stops thinking about ways to harm America.”
August 1st, 2005 at 3:28 pmWhy do the people who always ‘claim’ to be religious and with values, seem to have the least of either? I can’t believe how ‘evil’ these people are – they’re just sick disgusting freaks!
August 1st, 2005 at 3:33 pmHeh, I remember that one. Sheesh, he used to say the stupidest things, until they got him his ear implant that gives him and electric shock everytime he tries saying something that isn’t part of the Neocon talking points.
August 1st, 2005 at 3:34 pmMaybe the group DEVO was right …. Deevolution is in progress and a valid theory.
August 1st, 2005 at 3:43 pmThin line between these guys and anarchy.
August 1st, 2005 at 3:44 pmPatriot Act, corporate welfare, drug war, education testing, free trade agreements, unqualified support for Israel, war in Afghanistan
August 1st, 2005 at 3:47 pmThe Avenging Angel maintains his own list of conservative miscreants putting the future of the republic at risk.
August 1st, 2005 at 3:48 pmMedicare? ROFLMAO!!!!
These radical, rightwing nuts are off the hook!
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August 1st, 2005 at 4:10 pmBush is the best thing this country has got going for it.. I wish liberals would come up with some of there own ideas instead of just knocking the GOP’s… Get a clue.. no wonder the libs can’t win an election!!
August 1st, 2005 at 4:19 pmThe top ten most harmful to their corporate wallet’s interests.
August 1st, 2005 at 4:22 pmIf Bush is the best thing we have going then were in deep yak droppings.
Despite Limbaugh’s claims, the Dems have come up with some very good ideas and plans. Please don’t push that tired argument. besides its a bit off topic.
As usual the conservatives don’t appear to want to conserve, or help anyone.
August 1st, 2005 at 4:23 pmGet a clue.. no wonder the libs can’t win an election!!
Yet another troll who’s going to pretend that the election wasn’t stolen.
August 1st, 2005 at 4:27 pmI see cman, just dropped in to see if you can divert discussion by starting an argument ?
August 1st, 2005 at 4:27 pmTell me cman, just what is it that you think junior has done that classifies this chimp as the best thing this country has got going for it?
Sorry gang, looks like I took the bait.
August 1st, 2005 at 4:29 pmI’m done.
Krazny,
I’m all ears – lets hear them.
August 1st, 2005 at 4:31 pmTell me why libs can’t have a discussion with someone with another point of view without getting nasty and calling them names… i thought you were supposed to be the enlightend ones!! name one bill the dems have put forward in the last year to improve this counrty??
August 1st, 2005 at 4:32 pmwe often have discussion without name calling cman the problem is the right wing folks who post here are so ingrained in there beliefs, they start name calling and it goes down hill from there.
August 1st, 2005 at 4:38 pmI would say that the impeach GWB bill would radically improve this country.
August 1st, 2005 at 4:38 pmKrazny,
Why are you avoiding my question? You must not have an answer. Time to wake up and live in the real world since Bush will not be impeached.
August 1st, 2005 at 4:41 pmsemen
August 1st, 2005 at 4:42 pmAhh but Krazny, i never called anyone a name did i??? but i have already been called names by some of your like minded friends… i respect everyones opinion but i want to see if you came to it in a intelligent fact finding way or you just happened to read the latest copy of the new york times/dem talking points memo/college professor!
August 1st, 2005 at 4:43 pmVIVA BUSH, MAIN!!
August 1st, 2005 at 4:44 pmyour right Bush will most likely not be impeached. Mostly because for the time being, the legislative branch are republican controlled.
However he is an immoral little shit, and it is obvoius that he is near sociopath.
If you are really such a supporter I suggest you sign up and go defend us in Iraq.
August 1st, 2005 at 4:44 pmI have not called you names cman so get over it. I would suspect if I went to powerline and posted comments, I would be called names. However given that powerline doesn’t allow for comments I doubt it will happen anytime soon.
August 1st, 2005 at 4:45 pmVIVA BUSH MANE?
August 1st, 2005 at 4:46 pmIntrinsic paradox all that small gov’t mumbo jumbo whilst spreadin’ big gov’t.
August 1st, 2005 at 4:49 pmcman,
The ‘libs’ did come up with their own ideas, and they’ve made the nation better. The ideas include social security to keep the elderly from homelessness. The ideas include medicare to keep the elderly well. The ideas include civil rights to protect minorities. The ideas include reproductive rights to protect women from abusive and restrictive patriarchs. The ideas include public education to keep a new generation educated and productive. The ideas include minimum wage to protect worker exploitation. The ideas include separation of church and state to keep the ‘taliban’ from ruining the nation. The ideas including free speech and protection of civil liberties. The ideas include the rejection of terror, torture and restrictions of civil liberties in the false name of protecting american citizens.
Liberals have made this country a great place to live, now if we can just keep the right wing press and right wing idiots like you from destroying it!
August 1st, 2005 at 4:50 pmThere’s nothing wrong with calling an idiot their due name cman. I know you have trouble acknowledging that you’re a stupid moron – but the ‘facts’ are immutable.
August 1st, 2005 at 4:51 pmtisk tisk krazny… why the language??? if your going to make those type of claims againts our pres. then i guess i need to call you on it and name your evidence… by the way, i’m still waiting to hear some of the libs good ideas to futher this country along.. and please don;t say impeach bush!! i want an original idea that actually has some merrit
August 1st, 2005 at 4:56 pmohh ryan my dear boy!! GROW UP… now lets get an idea from this decade!!
August 1st, 2005 at 4:58 pmHistory books: Bush the divider, Bush’s failed illegal war, Bush’s secret gov’t, Bush’s faith-based corruption programs, Bush’s inability to lead or even speak well, his strings on his back, his dirty politics, his blatant lies and disregard for the truth.
August 1st, 2005 at 4:59 pmHe does not need to be impeached you scumbag.
why the language I will tell you. I don’t like a president who wants to destroy this country thats why.
Well lets see good Lib ideas. How about not invading Iraq when we don’t need too. How about not appointing wackos to the supreme court. How about keeping an out of control executive branch in check.
as for evidence please look at what he has done in his 5 years in office not much needs to be said beyond that.
August 1st, 2005 at 4:59 pmKrazny,
Still waiting……….
They just raised the enlistment age to 42. Maybe I will go down to the recruitment office. Someone needs to protect our freedoms. Are you brave enough to join me?
August 1st, 2005 at 5:01 pmIf it was a matter of defending freedom I would. However invading Iraq is not defending freedom.
August 1st, 2005 at 5:02 pmSo “I am sam”, you gonna rape little boys for Bush while you’re there?
August 1st, 2005 at 5:02 pmKrazny,
No – each one of those ideas are what liberals would not do. I need to hear where you want to take this country. I think by now its obvious that you either have no idea or your ideas are too radical for posting.
August 1st, 2005 at 5:03 pmI’m sorry krazny maybe i wasn’t making myself clear… i mean an actual original idea!! not just going against the GOP… now i don’t agree with everything that bush has done but i do admire him for making the hard decissons and not just leaving them for another administration.. give me something to turn dem..
August 1st, 2005 at 5:05 pmYou’re in the wrong place to make demands, “I AM SAM”.
August 1st, 2005 at 5:06 pmIf you’ve paid attention you know that demanding ideas from a minority is the tactic of a turtle on his back.
So sam… i see that these enlightend, educated and all excepting patriots have gone to the name calling with you also… this reminds me of when i was a young boy being told its not nice to call people names and that all it shows is your lack of ability to make an intelligent comment.
August 1st, 2005 at 5:09 pmPeople are born knowing it’s not nice to call people names.
August 1st, 2005 at 5:13 pmohh and as a side note… to be “progressive” don’t you have to have ideas???? maybe some one should send howard dean a memo!!!
August 1st, 2005 at 5:14 pmHow about stem cell research? It looks like, by default, your repugs are going to have to latch on to another “liberal” ideal.
August 1st, 2005 at 5:18 pmLol sam you want my ideas?
okay here goes.
Balance the budget, use our troops wisely to defeat terroism around the world. Stop proping up dictators because they are willing to help us short term. remove the social and economic causes of terrorism.
reduce the role of government in private life. Insure that those with money pay taxes.
anything I miss?
August 1st, 2005 at 5:19 pmWe also can’t forget our idea of trying to investigate a CIA leak. And remember a great repug moment, “It’s about the lying.” We are just trying to make sure there is no lying in the White House. No?
August 1st, 2005 at 5:19 pmI believe the HOPE grant has helped a heck of a lot of students.
August 1st, 2005 at 5:22 pmi actually support cell research and always have… now i have been told that there are more effective ways out there to harvest these cells and i’m in the process of finding more out, but if stem cells are the best we have then lets move on it… don’t forget bush didn’ ban the reseach…
August 1st, 2005 at 5:24 pmUpon thinking more and more about it, there has been NOTHING since 2000 that means shit to anyone that makes under $30,000 per year. The bankruptcy bill DOES NOT include leniency for veterans (whom you care about, right?) Nor does it include exemptions for the elderly (screw them too if they don’t have the money, they should have thought of that and saved like me, right?)
THAT is the creepy way that repubs think about others in need – they should have thought of that. That is my repug friends’ motto and they chant it ad nauseum.
August 1st, 2005 at 5:26 pmthe hope grant was good but thats at least 10 years old now… and this cia leak is a joke!! lets wait and see where the investigation goes but let me ask you this… do you really believe that miller would stay in jail to protect anyone from the bush administration??
August 1st, 2005 at 5:27 pmI have 25 embryos that will not be used (for various reasons) and now my only option is to throw them down the freakin sink!! THAT makes me SICK!!! What the hell would a decent person do with them – they would donate them to science to try to save the healths of people that are ALREADY here and suffering.
Don’t even try to give me that DONATE them for SNOW freakin FLAKE crap – these are unusable for implantation. I want to hear LOUD and CLEAR from all of you sickening ME ME ME screamers that these should go in the GARBAGE!!!
PLEASE DO TELL!!
August 1st, 2005 at 5:30 pmHow about the general idea that our jobs staying in our country is a good thing for our people. How about the general concept that creating record fu$king debt out of record surplus is really a bad idea for your childrens children. Not to mention our national security. I tell ya, you people don’t really support this corporate admin., you just want an argument.
August 1st, 2005 at 5:31 pmI believe Miller does what will help, ultimately, Miller.
August 1st, 2005 at 5:31 pmWhat’s the matter cman, you don’t believe anyone can act on principle? Is partisanship the only motivation for anything? After 4 years of Karl Rove’s America, I wouldn’t blame you for thinking that way.
August 1st, 2005 at 5:33 pmcman,
Miller is in jail because of ‘journalistic principles’, and not because she’s protecting anyone. But as a republican, I’m not surprised that your first idea of why someone is doing something is a coverup as opposed to free speech and american ideals. Your CONservative slimey stripes are showing quite nicely!
August 1st, 2005 at 5:33 pmthe bankruptcy bill stopped people from charging up large sums of money to either credit card vendors or small business then declaring bankruptcy and not paying a dime,, then come out of bankruptcy within months… as someone who this has happened too a number of times its not fun… the tens of thousands this cost me stopped me from giving pay rises, insurance bennifts ect..
August 1st, 2005 at 5:34 pmcynical,
The only ‘principle’ that CONservatives act on is the principle of greed and selfishness…
August 1st, 2005 at 5:34 pmMost credit card debt, is caused by medical bills, not people trying to shirk what they owe.
August 1st, 2005 at 5:35 pmcman,
That’s right wing spin. There was a review of this that showed that the average person who declared bankruptcy actually had paid more in ‘fees’ to the credit card companies than they owed. In otherwords the credit card companies were already making a profit on them, and not losing money… Your ’spin’ is just more CONservative lies…
August 1st, 2005 at 5:35 pmcman prefers talking points to facts like most CONservatives. If people had affordable health care, most bankruptcies would disappear… But then again, the truth never impacts a delusional freak like cman…
August 1st, 2005 at 5:36 pmThat is NOT what stopped you from giving FAIRLY to your employees and you know it. What stopped you is the allmighty dollar!!! You know it and won’t admit. We all know it, that is why the American people are uninsured. Some people just want MORE. What you speak of is only a TINY portion of who declares bankruptcy. I’m not going to post a link – that is for you to do. And, man, if you don’t than you will know exactly why we are so damn mad here.
August 1st, 2005 at 5:38 pmyou can still donate your embryos for research… just not to govt’ researh… there are a number of private firms outthere that are doing research on stem cells with no limits by govt.
August 1st, 2005 at 5:38 pmAs for stem cell research, the problem is that most early research in the US is done with a combination of public and private funds. If you restrict public funds, the private funds are more concerned about also investing and bearing all of the ‘risk’. So when Shrub limits funding, he effectively kills most research…
August 1st, 2005 at 5:39 pmIt shouldn’t be private, THAT is the point. They should be used for the good of all as a whole, not selected individuals.
August 1st, 2005 at 5:40 pmcman,
If you really cared about bankruptcy, you’d make it so that companies couldn’t declare bankruptcy without having to force their corporate executives to give up their profits and stock as penalty. If you wish to prevent overextension of ‘individuals’, then wealthy individuals should be required to have the same restrictions. And since most wealthy individuals now shield their wealth through corporate structures, then corporations should be held to the same ‘harsh’ restrictions as poor people do. But then I bet like most CONservatives, you believe that greed is good, and that only poor people need restrictive laws…
August 1st, 2005 at 5:41 pmthe high cost of medical insurance and even the availabilty of medical help is mostly caused by greedy lawyers who are suing to fill their own pockets… we need tort reform badly
August 1st, 2005 at 5:42 pmprogressive,
You’re talking to a wall. CONservatives are always interested in what’s in it for them – talking about the greater good has no impact on the soulless…
August 1st, 2005 at 5:42 pmI know, I’ll apply for every bit of credit I can, then default. That’ll be perfect! I won’t have any credit for what is it?? 10 years?
August 1st, 2005 at 5:42 pmcman,
Actually the number of lawsuits has decreased in the last decades – this is more right wing spins and lies. Tort reform is just code word for prevent poor people from fighting back on our mismanagement of health care.
As for high cost of medical insurance, that’s because the insurance industry is out of control from an overhead and ‘profit’ perspective, and has little to do with the cost of actual health care. The average industrialized nation spends 1/2 per person of their GDP that the US does on health care, yet we have 40 million americans uninsured. This is because health care is a ‘profit’ industry that has turned into big business with big profits, big scams and big payouts to executives and wallstreet…
The reality is that you have the profits of the doctors, profits of the health care companies, and profits of the insurance companies doubling the ‘actual’ costs of health care. But then those are facts and not spin – so you’re head would probably explode if you could actually hear them…
August 1st, 2005 at 5:45 pmi’m sorry ryan but this law/bill doesn’t pick on anyone more than the other… you have to agree that what creates wealth is when myself and others like me go out on a limb and risk losing everything to reach for the american dream… no if i fail and go broke than i have to deal with that but doesn’t mean i’ll stop trying.
August 1st, 2005 at 5:46 pmKeith,
Thanks for pointing out the stupidness of cman’s comment. People don’t willy nilly declare bankruptcy – they do so out of desperation. Like most stupid CONservatives he makes it sound like ’sport’ and ‘fun’ being had by those who do it, but in reality the majority of bankruptcies occur with desperate and catastrophic health care issues. The facts don’t bear out the spin, yet repeatedly these idiots post the same lying talking points… Can’t they get a clue?
August 1st, 2005 at 5:48 pmlets not forget where john edwards made his 40+ million!!!
August 1st, 2005 at 5:48 pmcman,
Actually it does pick a difference – but then CONservatives never bother with ‘facts’, so you wouldn’t know that. Wealthy encumber much of their wealth in corporations, and actually ’shield’ economic disasters through corporate bankruptcies and basically what I see as fraud. It’s not poor people who bilk debts, it’s the wealthy… And the bankruptcy reform doesn’t do anything about that… You are SO clueless for an ‘advocate’.
August 1st, 2005 at 5:50 pmlet me ask you… is it right for someone to make that sort of money without producing one item?? with out contributing one thing to the gdp of this country…. look to the lawyers and their payouts… why do the lawyers get their payments from these class actions in cash but leave the actual claiments to receive coupons from the company they sued????
August 1st, 2005 at 5:51 pmsam & cman are the new trolls. Please don’t feed the trolls. Let ‘em go over to redstate and reproduce all over the place. Here, why bother w/ someone spouting talking points? You aren’t going to convince anyone & they hijack the thread…
What I’d like to ask Phyllis Schlafly but have never seen anywhere is how she managed to turn out a gay son? What did her parenting do to cause that?
August 1st, 2005 at 5:51 pmpeople… do we have to continue with the name calling… i haven’t called anyone here a name or been rude in any way.. please practice what you preach.. tolerance!!!
August 1st, 2005 at 5:55 pmTell me why libs can’t have a discussion with someone with another point of view without getting nasty and calling them names… i thought you were supposed to be the enlightend ones!!
That sounds pretty rude to me. Wouldn’t you agree?
August 1st, 2005 at 6:01 pmi must say that out of all the arguments and points raised here this afternoon i found “progressive and proud” to be the most intelligent and positive.. lets hope some of your friends have been reading your posts and may understand what it means to have an intelligent and well thoughtout disscusion.
August 1st, 2005 at 6:03 pmjust stating the obvious my dear ex-hippie friend
August 1st, 2005 at 6:04 pmanyway must go to my other duties so i bid you all farewell and goodluck.. and sorry if i offended anyone.
August 1st, 2005 at 6:08 pmYeah, gotta leave, now that you openned your mouth too big and were shown to be a low life scum bag, just like ther rest of the Neocons.
Go choke on a pretzel.
August 1st, 2005 at 6:16 pmLawyers protect the rights of individuals – the fact that you think they ‘provide nothing’, means you are even more retarded than you appeard at first.
And cman, tolerance doesn’t mean you accept idiots like you preaching lies and don’t call them an idiot. You have only raised stupid ‘talking points’ with regularity and with impunity, and you want respect. You didn’t come asking questions – you came spouting rhetoric. If you want us to respect you, then come with an open mind and ask questions, instead of coming with an open mouth answering them with lies…
August 1st, 2005 at 6:20 pmcynical,
Right wingers never recognize the rudeness of their own actions, only those that they disagree with. They come spouting crap that’s been disproven and discredited repeatedly, acting like those items are facts – and then call others rude after they’ve acted. My experience of CONservatives is that they preach personal responsibility as long as it doesn’t land on their doorstep. When they act as propaganda tools, and spout lies, they expect people to agree with them – instead of pointing out that they have to be a blasted idiot to still believe those lies… It’s really ironic…
August 1st, 2005 at 6:23 pmohh spudgeboy!!! just go on and tell me you love me!! if it wasn’t for us you would have to leave you mean words and actions the the little children, dogs and cats in the neigbourhood… no brush your teeth and go to bed like a good boy.
August 1st, 2005 at 6:23 pmOr better yet, just don’t come. Do you really think you can change any of our minds? We are not the sheeple that the Neocons count on to keep them in office. We are the ones fighting back.
I have converted everyone I talk to into a Bush hater, except one. The most disappointing one. My mom. She is so Christionized that there is no way of helping her. It makes me sad everytime I think about it. Her reason for not liking Kerry (not that he is that great) was because “He is ugly.” I know that is a load of crap. She is 100% anti-abortion and a religios zealot. She can’t even realize that the Neocons have USED the religious in this country as a means to an end.
You’re one of those. Please find a site that agrees with you, so we can have a real conversation.
August 1st, 2005 at 6:26 pmryan have you forgotten so soon… i started by asking questions that only one person answered.(this was not you by the way).. You my dear boy have still not answered that question but have only spouted rude comments and insults… is that all that your able to come up with… ryan, show me how smart you are and make an INTELLIGENT point…
August 1st, 2005 at 6:28 pmYes, the name SpudgeBoy actually means that I am 12 years old. Can you not do any better than try to make something out of a screen name. You are a lot more stupid that I gave you credit for.
If there weren’t people like you in this world, I wouldn’t have mean words. Stupid people just bring that out of me.
August 1st, 2005 at 6:29 pmwell spudgeboy all i can say is that keep thinking and please keep your mind open to ideas that go against what you believe… years will give you wisdom
August 1st, 2005 at 6:33 pmYour a dumb ass. I have an open mind. It is stupid jerk offs like yourselk that make assumtions about other people base on a screen name that don’t have open minds.
You think you can come here and spew some dumbass, tired, rehash Neocon bullshit. And that you will what? To change our perception of what is being done to our country. Do you really think that will work.
Get a clue. We are the people that made it out from under the pack of lies and cover-ups happening by this administartion. We are enlightening others. People like yourself are helpless.
Too bad.
August 1st, 2005 at 6:39 pmcman,
Bush had his physical this weekend. He was pronounced to be in remarkable health for a brainless shell.
Do you think that Jefferson, Franklin, Adams, for that matter any of the founding fathers were conservative tories? I don’t thing so, LIBERALS had the vision to make this country. LIBERALS will take it back and make it stronger when you conservative rethuglicans are done taking her through the sewer of your personal interests.
Enjoy your 15 minutes of fame, its almost over.
August 1st, 2005 at 6:42 pmahh sorry to enlighten you dave but most of the founding fathers were and had conservative ideals… the dems have only produced one good pres and thats FDR.. and spudgeboy..i’m not trying to convince you of anything… don’t be so violent and angry.. no one likes and angry child!! it will lead you into years of therapy and possibly a criminal record.. and with our love of the death penalty you may fall victim.. is it really worth risking all that for some silly ideas??
August 1st, 2005 at 6:51 pmActually, it is worth risking everything for you piece of shit. I have chilren of my own and I don’t want them to have to grow up in a Neocon run country. It is worth every last ounce of my being.
Put your money where your mouth is and sign up for the military you chicken shit looser.
Since you feel the need to continue with the “child” theme of your posts, I have hereby changed your name to Semen.
I thought you said you were leaving Semen.
August 1st, 2005 at 6:57 pmcman,
John Kerry ran on two excellent ideas, so the claim that Democrats have no ideas just highlights how blatantly uninformed you are on the matter.
Kerry proposed a new “Manhattan Project” aimed at sinking our greatest scientific minds into solving our dependence on importing foriegn oil by creating alternative, sustainable energy sources.
He also had a plan for tying up loose nukes which he pointed out may be the greatest threat to this countries safety (and in one of the debates Bush agreed that it may be our greatest concern).
If you need more, I’m sure I can scrape something up. Until then, please admit that your claim that “Democrats have no ideas” is untrue.
August 1st, 2005 at 7:01 pmSorry to correct you cman, the conservatives of the revolutionary time were tories. Their interests and loyalty remained with the king in England. Some of us LIBERALS think that todays conservatives will not stop until we are under the heal of the British jack boot once again.
History will bearout how many conservative notions were off the mark and damaged the democracy. I hope that some of the leadership is here to take the damning. But, then again, the conservative montra…”its someone else’s fault…”, you would never take responsibility.
August 1st, 2005 at 7:01 pmok jay but it takes more than just saying you want to do it… why hasn;t he as a senator put forward a bill on these issues.. i think it would be great for someone to do it… the energy bill that was just signed was the only thing with any promotion of biofuels and even that wasn;t enough.. i would support any dem. idea to produce biofuels, they are great for our farmers who collect money not to grow crops and for our economy and for the enviroment.. also with the nukes!! please lets get someone to do more than just talk about it.
August 1st, 2005 at 7:06 pmwrong again dave.. but lets try and focus on the current problems and a better future… only by knocking heads together can we get the best ideas
August 1st, 2005 at 7:10 pmcman,
First off, you asked for ideas and now your moving the goal posts when I present them.
Second, I’ll let Harry Reid explain the reason the minority party has it shands tied when it comes to legislation:
“Senator Reid: It’s not the news media’s fault. It’s the way our government is set up. It’s been that way from the very beginning. In the House of Representatives, the minority has no power whatsoever. In the Senate, we have power, but we are back-benchers. We’re the loyal opposition. Under the rules of the Senate, it’s extremely difficult for us to put forth our own legislation.”
So in essence, when one party rules every branch of government (especially in the slash and burn manner that today’s Republicans do) the minority can have tremendous ideas, they just can’t get any of it heard, never mind proposed or passed.
August 1st, 2005 at 7:11 pmRyan Neat, awfully good to “see” you again. And as usual, I agree.
We might add to the list: Liberals don’t seek to enslave 98% of the world so that a scant and undeserving, soulless 2% can have it all.
Oh and for you pinheads that support these destructive programs…note I mention 2%. Those of you that are presently in the top say 15% better understand this: this “club” is one whose membership grows smaller as the theft becomes larger and larger. Sort of an informal “tontine” if you will.
Good luck, Judases all. Traitors to the human race.
August 1st, 2005 at 7:15 pmcman,
I have to be honest with you my friend, your point that “Dems have no ideas” gets trotted out here almost as often as “it’s Bill Clinton’s fault”. It’s a talking point that has no merit.
August 1st, 2005 at 7:15 pmthats such a bunch of b.s. any senator can put forward a bill to be voted on… you guys have picked up the ball and gone home to complain to momma!! i liked the ideas jay i really did… but once again why haven’t we heard anymore about these from kerry since the election… and he only came up with these so late in the game noone took him for his word
August 1st, 2005 at 7:15 pmlook back to the newt revolution in 96′.. they won because they had fresh ideas AND a programme to put them in place.. it takes more than just saying something every 4 years and then dumping it!
August 1st, 2005 at 7:18 pmcman,
You’re wrong. The Republicans are not interested in collaboration with the Democrats and nothing is going to get passed without at least some Republican approval. Their stated goal (R’s) is to destroy the oppostion, look it up. The political reality is that legislation has to have a chance to be passed or its merely academic. The R’s march lockstep and even rare instances of cooperation (like the deal that killed the “nuclear option” or even McCain-Feingold) are frowned upon by the most radical right wingers.
August 1st, 2005 at 7:23 pmThe Gingrich “revolution” was a result of the culmination of years of media consolidation, think tank research, mastering the art of election theft, excellent organization and their ability to “stay on message”. Fresh ideas….well I suppose they were fresh, but that didn’t make them good.
August 1st, 2005 at 7:27 pmyes we are jay but give us something we can work with you on… we present ideas and the dems shoot them down!! i agree that every idea we come up with is not perfect but like i said it would be so much better for all of us if we could present ideas and debate them on their actual merrit and not on strick party lines… with that please help the dems put some ideas up for debate with a actual bill.. the fringe of both parties are un willing to bend but theres enough in the middle of both to get good ideas passed..
August 1st, 2005 at 7:30 pmNo cman,
It’s too late, the Republicans have launched too many shots and they are playing for keeps. Talk is over, it’s time to fight and I for one will not be backing down. Thanks for extending the olive branch, but take it somewhere else.
August 1st, 2005 at 7:42 pmthat just proves that all your that your not willing to put up ideas that you just want to fight ours… i appreciate your how strong you feel about this but i think you would be better served in concentrating on winning elections… you can’t not propose anything then complain about a stolen election when you loose… just remember though when your ready to debate us to get to better ideas we welcome it but it gets kind of old when you know no matter what you propose is going to get shot down on politics only.
August 1st, 2005 at 7:51 pmIn the words of your fearless leader, “bring it on”, “where gonna smoke you outta your holes”….”dead or alive”….until the mission truly is accomplished. Yes, a fight you wanted and a fight you now have.
August 1st, 2005 at 7:54 pmjay… what is the fight we wanted??? this is just so silly…
August 1st, 2005 at 7:56 pmWow, lots of comments from cman but zip on any specifics. Pretty much par for the course.
August 1st, 2005 at 8:59 pmCman #90 proves you don’t know anaything you just repeat what you hear from Limbaugh and Oreilly. Read a book on Jefferson, Franklin, Adams et. al and you will see they were indeed liberal thinkers not to be confused with liberal Democrats, and most definitely not the pointy-nosed, squinty-eyed, smug, sanctimonious, sneering, sniffing prings of the Rethuglican party. They were mostly deists, who believed in a supreme being, but did not believe in organized religion, they believed in separation of church and state. They did a pretty good job of setting up our government with the help of studies of the philosophers of the day. The Rethuglicans have co-opted the founding fathers work and twisted it into an unrecognizable, conservative authoritative work.
August 1st, 2005 at 9:00 pmHere is another great idea for you Semen. Go join the military, fight the war you support and then come back here after you are wounded an try an get some help from the republican government you support.
See how far that gets you.
August 1st, 2005 at 9:00 pmCman, Jay is right. Dems have ideas, but they are ignored. Sure they oppose the Reps. because their ideas are so self-serving, they dont’ negotiate. They own the government and the press, and the judiciary. So they have it all now — something like the French before the revolution when the Bastille was stormed and the powerful were beheaded.
August 1st, 2005 at 9:05 pmIt’s kill or be killed. Kill them before they kill you.
August 1st, 2005 at 9:13 pmDemocrats and liberals have an idea. Best idea ever. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. It used to be a conservative mantra. “Conservatives” are the radicals now. Kill them before they kill us all. They are dangerous. They are so dangerous, they will even kill themselves in the end. They will be stopped, by any means necessary.
August 1st, 2005 at 9:16 pmOnce you dig a hole this deep unfortunately, most real world ideas have to do with digging out, because fresh ideas are no longer practical due to resources, time and other physical contraints. ..and really “no idea”, is better than a bad idea, as you learn when you age and look back.As in #113
August 1st, 2005 at 9:32 pmIntrinsic paradox all that small gov’t mumbo jumbo whilst spreadin’ big gov’t…
August 1st, 2005 at 10:44 pmThe current wingnuts are taught at a very early age to hate. We will never be able to argue or debate with them. It is not their intent to be reasonable or logical.
They are taught to tell huge big lies as often as they can. It is in their manual handbook and taught at their training institutes all across America. Check it out.
http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15483
August 1st, 2005 at 11:02 pm“Republican President” “Democrat Congress” because you know “democrat” polls worse than democratic.
August 2nd, 2005 at 12:13 amnow that we have gotton past the fact that dems don’t have any fresh ideas all i hear from you all is your excuses for not having ideas…. is this what you teach your children??? is this how to get ahead in life??? just make excuses why you didn’t get an a!!! make excuses why you didn’t get a good job!! make excuses why your wife left you!! Here’s an idea… how about being responsible for yourselfs and your actions!! how about deciding were you want to be in life and working hard to get there!!
August 2nd, 2005 at 9:36 amNot to be too snobby, but I think most of us did get As in school here. And what you want is what most want, we just have very different ways of going about getting it. I believe there is a line between excuses and reasons. It is up to us individually what constitutes a reason or an excuse.
If religion is taken totally out of the picture, then what are our main differences?
August 2nd, 2005 at 11:22 amok i can go with that but why not just say the dems don’t want to propose new bills and they have their reasons!.. i must say that even though i’m not a very religious person, i believe that religion in moderation is a good thing.. it gives people a sense of right and wrong.. gives structure to peoples lives… now i haven’t been to church in years and really try and stay away except from weddings and funerals its mainly from me seeing probelms with the way some don’t practice what they preach.. besides i have never liked being told what to believe
August 2nd, 2005 at 11:35 amcman post #118:
“now that we have gotton past the fact that dems don’t have any fresh ideas all i hear from you all is your excuses for not having ideas”
….huh? We got past it when I presented you two of John Kerry’s very best ideas. That was when your point was proven impotent. What does the “c” stand for man? comprehension-deficit?
August 2nd, 2005 at 11:47 amjay.. as we discussed last night, just saying something doesn’t mean jack sh#t… why hasn’t he put a bill forward???? why can’t you understand that??? name one bill the dems have put forward in the last 2 years!!!! you yourself went into detail of why the dems won’t put forward bills.. they are just pathetic excuses… there is no leadership in your party… someone needs to stick their neck out and take a risk!! put forward a bill that the american people can see!! don’t you see how pathetic the dems look when all they can manage to do is knock the repubs… this is why the dems can;t win elections.. they can’t make themselves attractive to anyone but the hardcore left/liberal base… just think if repubs didn’t propose anything there wouldn’t be any bills to be voted on!!
August 2nd, 2005 at 12:05 pmIt’s not a matter of making ourselves attractive, that is what we can’t stand about repubs. They sugar coat agendas and policy for the lowest common demoninator so it will SEEM attractive to them. It’s always some time later (maybe months or maybe years) that the American public finds out they weren’t so good after all. But by that time, the damage is done and we are left trying to pick up the pieces. Iraq is a model example of this.
August 2nd, 2005 at 12:42 pmLike BushCo says, “sometimes you have to say things over and over.” I don’t want crap stuffed into my ear over and over to make me believe it. That is classic brainwashing and has been working for the GOP for some time now. I think most people will wake up. It’s not that we can’t win, it’s that there are certain things that Dems won’t do JUST to win.
Victory is fleeting, just remember.
August 2nd, 2005 at 12:46 pmcman, if you’re asserting the Dems have not put forward one bill, isn’t the burden of proof on you to back up your statement?
Now you’ve left yourself open, since it can be show you lied by naming one bill. How about the bill to install surface-to-air missile countermeasures on commercial airliners (like El Al does)? Sen Barbara Boxer, D-CA.
Is missile defense too liberal for you? Your move.
August 2nd, 2005 at 12:51 pm#123, no bills to vote on if repubs didn’t propose them, eh? Considering that all the republicans seem to propose are riduculous spending bills (ever hear of debt?) and free trade agreements that will be harmful to american workers, why would this be a bad thing?
August 2nd, 2005 at 12:55 pmname one bill the dems have put forward in the last 2 years!!!!
cman, what is wrong with you? You can’t use a simple search engine? Here’s 137 bills by one Senate Democrat.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/d?d108:0:./temp/~bdDmQO:o&items=100&
Now you can apologize for asserting a lie.
August 2nd, 2005 at 12:59 pmKinda hard for the co-pilot to put forth ideas or demands when the plane has been hijacked.
August 2nd, 2005 at 1:01 pmok hippie… now that you called me a liar please explain where and how i lied!!! i asked for 1 bill that the dems proposed not an amendment!!! remember we are looking for original ideas and bills here
August 2nd, 2005 at 1:13 pmWhat a jackass, the further you move the goalposts, the more divorced from reality you seem. Give it up cman, you have been sufficiently spanked on this thread.
August 2nd, 2005 at 1:27 pmI see my link doesn’t work. Try this one:
http://boxer.senate.gov/senate/info_frame.html
Some say amendments, some say “bill” not to discount amendments, after all she has proposed amendments to the tax code. So take your pick. There are plenty of bills, even by your narrow definition. Now go ahead and admit you are wrong.
August 2nd, 2005 at 1:37 pmjay you are a fool!!! the “goal posts” as you put them have never changed… if you go back to the very start i have asked for a bill by the dems… none has been put forward to me least of all anyones like your buddy kerry spoke of…. an amendment to an aleady standing bill is not a NEW BILL!!! get this through your head jay…
August 2nd, 2005 at 1:40 pmcman, in the spirit of moving goalposts and painfully splitting hairs, can you name one original idea Republicans have proposed?
Invading a country: been there done that
August 2nd, 2005 at 1:42 pmKilling social security: old idea, tired idea
Unaffordable tax cuts: many would like to claim this is their idea, nope it’s an old idea
Accusing opponents of being weak and soft: as old as politics itself
Claiming opponents are allied with your enemy: old fascist idea
Deregulation: technically, this is the removal of original ideas
good for you hippie i stand corrected.. boxer last proposed a bill in sept 04′ to get fright carriers to meet epa standards, which as a former freight company myself this was already required…. why to go senator boxer.. that bill will inspire us!!! lol
August 2nd, 2005 at 1:47 pmcman you have a list of bills now.
It’s incomplete, but you just asked for one. I gave you one Senator, one session.
Now you can see that the statement, “dems don’t have any fresh ideas” is a lie. That would make you a liar, would it not?
August 2nd, 2005 at 1:48 pmgood for you cman you read one bill. 136 left. Now go do your homework.
August 2nd, 2005 at 1:49 pm#135, well since you moved the goalposts again and want “quality” and “original” bills…how about naming some republican ones that meet the same standard? What bills have republicans put forward that are original and useful for the American people? (And please don’t waste our time by citing garbage like the bankruptcy bill.)
August 2nd, 2005 at 1:50 pmhow about CAFTA, the patriot act, the energy bill.. i could go on but why bother… since really this takes care of the past few weeks!
August 2nd, 2005 at 1:50 pmpost #42:
ohh and as a side note… to be “progressive� don’t you have to have ideas????
post #95:
only by knocking heads together can we get the best ideas
post #100:
they won because they had fresh ideas AND a programme to put them in place..
post #103:
with that please help the dems put some ideas up for debate with a actual bill
post #118:
now that we have gotton past the fact that dems don’t have any fresh ideas
And there you have it. You asked for ideas and you got them, now you’re telling us to:
“go back to the very start i have asked for a bill by the dems”
Just like the Bushies in Iraq. First it was about WMD, then it was ties to Al-Qaeda, then it was to liberate to Iraqi people, now its to spread freedom and democracy. The right needs to pick an idea and run with it, all this flip-flopping is making my head spin.
August 2nd, 2005 at 1:51 pmnow hippie i thought we agreed that amendments are not bills… of the few bills boxer has put forward the youngest is at least 1 month short of 1 year old with the rest being about 2 years old.. so yes i agree that at least one democrat has put forward a bill in the last year you have to admitt the bill didn’t do anything substancial… in fact did this bill even make it into the press???
August 2nd, 2005 at 1:57 pmjay you have proved my point!! no fresh ideas.. no fresh new bills.. no way to win an election!!
August 2nd, 2005 at 2:03 pmjay i asked for a bill proposed and to his credit hippie gave me one in the last year!! not you my friend.. but how does this bill change our lives?? it doesn’t.. how does it make it better?? it doesn’t…. we were already under these restrictions… when a bill can’t even get debate in a public forum then how big is it i ask u?
The energy bill is a joke and Tom Delay is laughing all the way to the bank. CAFTA – bye bye more jobs and any hope of a living wage here for the working poor. I thought repubs were fighting to keep jobs here? Since when did that change? What’s up with not increasing the minimum wage? I suppose those nobodys should get a better job, right? It’s all their fault. That way of thinking gets annoying and very petty.
Patriot Act is the worst piece of legislation in recent history. We will soon find out what this really entails and we will also be very sorry. I thought repubs liked less government? This is MORE government than we have ever seen. Big Brother is rapping at our chamber door.
August 2nd, 2005 at 2:10 pmbills cannot make it to the floor unless the repugs allow it. CAFTA will cause American jobs, exploit people in poor countries while putting more money in the pockets of the rich. The patriot act is seriously flawed (love that sneak and peek). The energy bill does NOTHING for the average American, and gives millionsin tax credits to energy companies allready rolling in money. You call these great “ideas” by your party? cman sucks d**k.
August 2nd, 2005 at 2:14 pmsorry p_and_p,
great minds think alike. :)
August 2nd, 2005 at 2:14 pm#139,
Cafta – Lets hurt American workers and help big corporations outside of the subsidies we already give them
Patriot Act – Lets take away American freedoms and call it fighting terrorism!
Energy Bill – Lets give money to filthy rich oil companies because they pay us under the table (the money to biofuels, wind, and solar was negligble compared to the money handed to oil companies)
Any other “good” bills?
August 2nd, 2005 at 2:17 pmI think cman mentioned these “good” bills to f**k with our heads. He has to know these suck, he cannot possibly be that stupid – are you cman?
August 2nd, 2005 at 2:21 pm#147, I doubt he’s intelligent enough to answer that question competently anyway, considering so far all he has done is repeat talking points and continually shift his position.
August 2nd, 2005 at 2:22 pmi actually like all those bills… just wonderfull
August 2nd, 2005 at 2:23 pmdicky, I agree about great minds.
But the facts are obvious, the bills (there are many more) are more a detrement to us as a nation than a help. 911 was the “perfect storm” for all of their policies to fly under the thin veil of national security. Yet, when that same national security is compromised by one of their own, they think little of it. That is as duplicitous as it comes.
Again, I say, it will all come out in the wash. I just hope I don’t choke on soap first.
August 2nd, 2005 at 2:23 pmcman
August 2nd, 2005 at 2:25 pmWhat do you like about the Patriot Act?
What is the best part of the Energy Bill?
#151, I think you are forgetting that this is the internet. It won’t be too hard for him to look up the republican talking points for both of those questions and parrot them back.
August 2nd, 2005 at 2:30 pmi like that the gov can look into scham organs without a court order to get evidence.. a lot of times you cant get evidence until you look under the covers.. tell me one way the patriot act has harmed your life.. how it has imposed on your everyday life…. unless your a criminal or terrorist you have nothing to fear of the patriot act…. Energy bill, i like drilling in alaska…. deeper drill in the gulf, new energy concessions… this all helps to get us off foreign old the the future.. now this won;t happen over night but at least the repubs put something forward.. did you see a energy bill from the dems??
August 2nd, 2005 at 2:34 pmsorry i don’t read any talking points… i don’t need them.. just read and watch the news..
August 2nd, 2005 at 2:39 pm“unless your a criminal or terrorist you have nothing to fear of the patriot act”
that is a talking point dude. The problem is that the patriot act is was designed to fight terrorism but is allready being used to bust activity that is LEGAL in the state it is commited (such as medicinal pot). It is not a strech when it will be used to against ANYONE who does not tow the party line. It will stifle any kind of opposition and the government can lock your ass up – indefinately with no charges. If the current government is to your liking, imagine when it is not and the same laws exist? It is a tool for tyrants, and I for one do not trust the gang in charge now.
Any oil we would get from drilling in the arctic would last all of no more than 6 months. In the mean time we could do serious damage to the ecosystem. Alaska may seem far away – but we are all interconnected.
If SUVs were simly banned. No “personal” vehicle that gets less than 20mpg – and the problem is solved.
August 2nd, 2005 at 2:49 pmNo problem with you that we give millions to cash rich energy companies?
That’s like saying at least John Wayne Gacy gave us some art. The amount of oil that can be gleened from Alaska is minute compared to the wildlife it could endanger. Alaska has been surveilled over and over and only now Bush has decided it may be profitable. Is profiting the only concern and the only tangible reward? I think we would reep more benefit from funding alternative fuel sources.
The Patriot Act has harmed me as soon as it was signed into law. I work in a legal setting and understand exactly how much privacy is invaded just for a simple real estate deal to go through. I hear people speak of lawyers profiting too much; well, now their fees are astrinomical. That is working against your cause. I also will not be checking any books out at the library. Goodness, if I try to read up and educate myself with respect to the Taliban, I will be on a list. I don’t like lists. Remember “lists” back in the day? Not a good thing. I like my privacy.
Speaking of bills, I’m tired of giving money to pharm. research for ever more pills for aiding in digestion.
August 2nd, 2005 at 2:52 pmThere we go again, dicky.
August 2nd, 2005 at 2:53 pm#154, Well Fox News (or any MSM station) isn’t that different from republican talking points, so don’t worry, I’m still right.
And the crap in #153, it is definite proof that you are either totally inept or a troll…(you LIKE circumventing the entire judicial branch and giving police what is essentially no supervision?!? I guess there have to be people out there who like the idea of police states..)
August 2nd, 2005 at 2:53 pm#153, “Energy bill, i like drilling in alaska…. deeper drill in the gulf, new energy concessions… this all helps to get us off foreign old the the future.. now this won;t happen over night but at least the repubs put something forward”
Never heard of peak oil I guess? Please take some courses in petrology and stop reciting these retarded talking points…(the energy bill does NOTHING to ease our reliance on foreign oil and it NEVER will)
August 2nd, 2005 at 2:54 pmi noticed that none of you could give me the dems alternative!!! by the way… why did these bills receive bi-partisan support???
August 2nd, 2005 at 3:01 pm#160, Maybe they received bipartisan support because quite a few democrats are corporate shills as well? Just not to the degree that republicans are…
And the alternative to what exactly? The patriot act? The alternative I like is by Senator Feingold, NO PATRIOT ACT. How about no retarded energy bill or cafta either? All of these bills are unncessary and accomplish NOTHING good for this country.
August 2nd, 2005 at 3:08 pmmany of the Dems are idiots and bought whores as well. I am an independent, I do not care if there is a D or an R in front of your name, if you are a corperate whore you are a corperate whore.
There were attempts to modify these bills – actually by both republicans and dems – but the hard liners on the right prevailed. Like the sham of a medicaid bill, arm twisting and bribes ruled the day. Shame on all who voted fot these turkeys.
your point cman?
August 2nd, 2005 at 3:09 pmmy point is not one dem put up an alternive bill… are you saying we don’t need an energy bill?
August 2nd, 2005 at 3:24 pmAt least there are people old enough to realize that his Social Security “reform” is ridiculous. So I do have some form of hope for the sheeple. As always, the mere mention of the possibility of losing money makes Americans turn away. We are so damn greedy. The Reagan admin. has started us on a slippery slope of the “I’ve got mine, so what about you” attitude. I get so dismayed at the selfishness of the current admin.
If BushCo. really wanted to help others (like all of the good he is doing for the Iraqi people) than PLEASE give money to the Niger cause (no, not yellowcake). Can you possibly imagine the poverty that tiny children are living (nay, dying) with? Can we possibly, pretty PLEASE, give to the Darfur cause? Selfish, selfish Bush. I am ashamed!
August 2nd, 2005 at 3:27 pmcman, are you saying better a bad one than none at all?
August 2nd, 2005 at 3:27 pmI mean, without that Energy Bill, we would all……What?
August 2nd, 2005 at 3:29 pmbut i don’t seem them as bad! sure they could be better but at least they have the courage to put them forward..leadership …. america gives more in african aid then any other country this is a fact… how about the u.n making sure the money doesn’t go to the dictators over there?? and if we are so greedy tell me this,,, after bush’s tax cut what did you do with your savings/?? continue to send them to the govt??
August 2nd, 2005 at 3:36 pmsocial sercurity is a outdated and flawed program.. the dems like it because it keeps people on the gov payroll therefore making these people dependants of the gov and holding their votes… the programme that bush proposed is very similer to the same programme that fed employees are under… whats wrong with that?
besides bush and america are not responsible for fixing all the worlds problems… the pres is obligated to america 1st… why doesn’t the u.n do something to help apart from raping young girls
August 2nd, 2005 at 3:39 pmwhat part of repugs controlling both houses of congress do you not understand? A bill that would include provisions for alternative fuel sources, place mpg requirements has NO chance of even being considered – the repugs in charge will not let it happen. If we can get a fair vote, maybe we can restore some balance to the govt. Total dominance by one party – irregardless of which cannot possibly be good for the entire country. Especially with the arrogant bastards that is the GOP.
August 2nd, 2005 at 3:39 pm#163, I’m pretty sure thats exactly what I’m saying, and I would hope that any amount of reading comprehension skills would have allowed you to pick that up from my previous post…
Anyway, what happened to republicans supporting the free market? What would be wrong with allowing private investors to develop energy policy and maintain their businesses without subsidies (its not like we have cheap foreign labor undercutting the oil market)? Aren’t we supposed to have faith that the free market can work on its own?
August 2nd, 2005 at 3:40 pm#167, Okay, you have stopped having ANY coherence at all. You say you don’t see them (I’m assuming the bills we were discussing) as bad, then go off on a random, semi-literate tangent about social security without providing a real basis for any of your statements.
…Please, stop doing drugs. I know you might have the desire to emulate our president, but cocaine and alcohol just aren’t worth it.
August 2nd, 2005 at 3:42 pmwell 3rd man we need energy policy because america uses more oil than it drills therefore we need to try and place ourselfs in as good position as possible to control our energy costs…. did you by happen read some of my earlier posts about calling people names and just coming out looking pathetic
August 2nd, 2005 at 3:46 pm3rdman you need to follow the converstaion fully if you want to keep up… i was responding to p&p..
August 2nd, 2005 at 3:48 pmcman are you a 13 yeal old or something. I feel like I am argueing with my teenager about staying up all night. Non-sequiters and all.
We do comsume a lot of oil. But policies such as huge tax credits for people who buy Hummers and Expeditions.
Peak oil cman, know what that means?
Stuff your propaganda about SS, it is a social net so that we do not have people dying in the streets like in Calcutta. I suppose you can give a damn right?
August 2nd, 2005 at 3:51 pm#172, “we need to try and place ourselfs in as good position as possible to control our energy costs”
So, do you mean something like coming up with false reasons for invading a country and installing a puppet government? Or maybe interfering with the free market by giving certain corporations huge subsidies (the ones that lobby the most, of course)? Personally, I value respecting international rights and the free market more than I value being a corporate shill. I guess thats why I’m not a politician or a typical republican.
“did you by happen read some of my earlier posts about calling people names and just coming out looking pathetic”
I would respond to this, but I’m not quite sure what you were trying to write to be honest, pass an english course and get back to me.
August 2nd, 2005 at 4:00 pmdicky how about reading someothere points of view here… look at this and get back to me… this is present day fact.. not some maybe in the future…www.alteng.blogspot.com
August 2nd, 2005 at 4:02 pmso 3rdman.. now we know what your made of… how are the great dems going to win an election?? whats YOUR plan??
August 2nd, 2005 at 4:05 pmcool web site cman. Nothing wrong with it. It is just that the so called energy bill does nothing to help in the pursuit of these ideas/projects. If these are ready and available now – who do you think is preventing these from entering the mainstream?
August 2nd, 2005 at 4:09 pm#177 What I’m made of? What does that statement even mean?
To win an election though, I would say that the democrats have to stop being republican and corporate shills, and also somehow reverse the brainwashing of the MSM and talk radio that seems so prolific, as you should well understand I would say.
August 2nd, 2005 at 4:14 pmIf Bush cares about America first, then please get out of Iraq, but, he says he wants to spread freedom. Well, how about spreading some of those billions of dollars from Iraq that is “missing” over to Niger. Bush wasn’t worried about what other nations did or thought before, why worry about who gives what to Niger? If he wants to spread freedom, start with Darfur. Well, I’ll tell you why, no money!!! That’s all, just money. Like I say, greedy greedy.
What did I do with my tax money? Huh? I got a couple hundred dollars and now it is in my mother’s gas tank, whom I take care of. I ride the bus and a clean air bus at that. I am proud to walk to the neighborhood store (not a freakin Wal-Mart) that my great grandmother used to own in the late 1800s and buy a cola from someone who also got a couple hundred dollars and, of course, put it in her gas tank.
August 2nd, 2005 at 4:21 pmPLEASE, don’t say drilling in Alaska will help out the gas tank issues, that is simply not true and wholly refutable. Of course, wonder which company will do the drilling? I bet they make a huge PROFIT! Hmmmm, wonder who that would be? I can’t think of anyone with oil interests. Hmmmmm
August 2nd, 2005 at 4:24 pmwell that was simply greedy of you p&p… why didn’t you insist on sending that money to niger or even straight to the fed gov… how dare you spend that/your money on yourself or your family
August 2nd, 2005 at 4:32 pmas i said america is already the largest giver of aid to this region and to the whole world… i never here you libs copmlaining about how little the u.n does or that bush actually gives more in aid than clinton.
August 2nd, 2005 at 4:35 pmcman you missed p&p point. The tax savings were a pittance. Only the very rich gained in any Bush tax cuts. In fact if I recall – the 300-600 dollar tax cut he sold to the middle class – turned out to be an advance we had to pay back.pay attention cman, the GOP does not care about you. They only care about $$.
August 2nd, 2005 at 4:37 pmno.. sorry dickie your wrong about the refund checks we all got… besides i never heard of any libs sending their check straight back to the irs… i already pay too much in taxs… its a proven fact that when you reduce the tax rate you increase the amount of tax collected.. kennedy did it and proved it so did reagan
August 2nd, 2005 at 4:45 pmWell, the federal government has shown me what they do with the money and that makes me ill, so no, I’m not giving them anything I don’t have to. I most definately didn’t ask for it back. I kind of figured I would hear you say that, but I was SO hoping differently. I do still have hope in people – somehow.
I give 10% (varies, depending on my mom’s needs) of my earnings to causes that desperately need my help. These are various causes, some social, some animal, some ecological. I also practice what I preach. No one that knows me would ever call me greedy, especially since I will joining the PeaceCorp (thanks Kennedy) next year.
I spend countless hours working on the causes of others. I don’t get paid for that, nor do I want to (although I think community service should be as mandatory as phys ed in elementary school). Your argument suggests that I did something selfish with my money. I give everything (and I mean everything) that I do not NEED to others. So, when you ask what I did with that couple hundred dollars, now you know. That exact day, I filled my mom’s car up with gas and, actually, bought her new glasses. The glasses were over $300 so I had to supplement.
If Bush sent me RELATIVELY what he sent to his cronies, my mom could have Lasik and drive a new hybrid.
August 2nd, 2005 at 4:47 pmOf course, if we all had socialized medicine, my mother would have already have her glasses.
August 2nd, 2005 at 4:51 pmno now you lie cman. The first Bush tax cut was no tax cut at all for the average family. It was well known that the check we all got 300-600 was merely an advance. How much are you saving in taxes really? Do you honestly believe that the party of the rich is watching your back?
as for who has the better tax cut plan for middle class:
http://www.ctj.org/pdf/dem0103.pdf
August 2nd, 2005 at 6:45 pmcheck this one out cman. Not a “liberal” web site – in fact maybe more conservative than many.
A little common sense about the so called Bush tax cuts.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/tucker/tucker39.html
August 2nd, 2005 at 6:54 pmten most harmful government programs
Via Think Progress, we see that conservative paper Human Events has put together a panel of 36 distinguished public policy experts and scholars to compile a list of the ten most harmful government programs.
August 2nd, 2005 at 8:35 pmAnother flawed conservative notion:
That which holds where those whose opposition to the Iraqi RAHOWA (or the agenda of His Fraudulency generally, which requires that “the ends must justify the means,” Machiavelli-stylee) are essentially “disloyal” and, in the bargain, “insane” or otherwise “mentally disturbed”.
Clearly a perversion of the principles of mental hygiene, not unlike the then-Soviet Union’s perversion thereof against suspected “dissidents,” “hooligans” or otherwise “anti-Soviet elements” in the 1980’s.
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Interestingly, this was on CNN last week.
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