Fitzgerald Still Questioning Witnesses, Zeros In On Rove
Fitzgerald Still Questioning Witnesses, Zeros In On Rove
The right-wing argues that the outing of Valerie Plame’s identity of as a CIA operative isn’t significant. Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, by all accounts a no-nonsense guy, disagrees. He continues to actively pursue the case and appears to be increasingly focused on Karl Rove.
From ABC’s The Note this morning:
Based on ABC News sources (and our own video camera) it appears that at least two witnesses testified before the grand jury last Friday, both close associates of Karl Rove.
ABC News has learned that one was Susan Ralston, Rove’s long-time right hand. The other, per ABC News’ Jake Tapper, was Israel “Izzy” Hernandez, Rove’s former left hand (and now a top Commerce Department official). It isn’t clear if either had been asked to testify before last week.
Looks like Fitzgerald doesn’t believe Rove has been “exonerated.”
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Did anyone catch Santorum w/George Stephanopolous this week? I swear I heard him say liberals are trying to "dissemble" the family institution. Does that mean to take apart?
August 2nd, 2005 at 11:40 amThe outting of Ms Plame "isn't significant"? Wow! And I'm the Son of God!
The Bastards continue to lie. Here's some of the damage that was done by Novak, Rove, Bolton, Cheney, and Bush:
August 2nd, 2005 at 11:48 amhttp://www.therandirhodesshow.com/live/node/211
Ask not for whom the bell tolls, Karl Rove...
August 2nd, 2005 at 11:58 amWhy are Plame and Rove still being discussed? This story appears to be dead. No one is going to be prosecuted and any damage has already been done. Time to move on.
August 2nd, 2005 at 12:09 pmYou're a traitor, Sam.
August 2nd, 2005 at 12:17 pmsam is clueless, hes one of those sheep like Fox viewers. since Fox wont report it, its not a story to him.
August 2nd, 2005 at 12:18 pmhow can you say this... "time to move on"? christ, these people will stop at nothing to move more power (profit!!)into their own hands. the whole system of check and balances must be applied to all aspects of government, the president and his hoodlum friends are no exception! while the damage is done, to turn and walk away from upholding constitutional law is no small matter! these crooks make the nixon era crooks look like amatuers!!
August 2nd, 2005 at 12:19 pmIts amazing, isn't it? In administration that prides itself on honesty, integrity and loyalty, millions of dollars have been wasted on investigation, careers have been ruined, and right wing spin machine turns every faster.
loosely related: http://www.hairytruth.blogspot.com
August 2nd, 2005 at 12:21 pmOh Sam. Thank you so much for the chuckle. I really needed it.
August 2nd, 2005 at 12:21 pmI've already emailed these folks this morning:
Rep. King, Peter (R-NY-3rd)
Sen. Hutchison, Kay Bailey (R-TX)
Sen. Cornyn, John (R-TX)
Sen. Coleman, Norm (R-MN
Rep. Blunt, Roy (R-MO-7th
Sen. Graham, Lindsey (R-SC)
Sen. McCain, John (R-AZ)
Sen Roberts, Pat (R-Ks)
to let them know the CIA leak is not going away while on vacation.
August 2nd, 2005 at 12:22 pmlooks like the right wing is really pushing the "nothing to see here" angle on this story.
August 2nd, 2005 at 12:48 pmWhen the right wing says there's nothing to see, it means they know they've screwed things up enough to be descructive... They're really talking to themselves and their like minded lemmings at that point to not look at the evidence in hope that they don't lose their base. They send all of the stupid foot soldiers out with those marching orders - unbeknownst to them...
August 2nd, 2005 at 12:52 pmThe fact that Sue & Izzy were subpoenaed to testify before the grand jury actually vindicATES and exonerATES Karl Rove, not implicATE.
(Hey fellow Repubs, can you come up with a word that rhymes with Scooter? Our spin department needs some poetic help please...)
August 2nd, 2005 at 12:59 pmI hope Dem hopefuls are taking furious notes on all these Repub talking points. Could be useful in 2006 to point out who defended this travesty.
August 2nd, 2005 at 1:03 pmKen,
can you explain how that exonerates rove please?
August 2nd, 2005 at 1:04 pmHooter?
August 2nd, 2005 at 1:04 pmAlittle jumpy, krazny?
August 2nd, 2005 at 1:07 pmNot jumpy just asking a question.
I thought we were allowed to ask questions?
or did I miss a memo somewhere?
August 2nd, 2005 at 1:08 pmWhy are Plame and Rove still being discussed? This story appears to be dead. No one is going to be prosecuted and any damage has already been done. Time to move on.
Is that how it works? The damage has been done so there's no use in pursuing it any further? That's good to know. I guess that would apply if I were to go out and rob a liquor store. When the cops catch up with me, I just say "Hey guys, you're too late. The damage has already been done, so just move along."
Just saying that nobody is going to be prosecuted and it's time to move on doesn't make it so, no matter how hard you wish it were true. One sure sign that it isn't dead is that people like you, Sam, feel compelled to try to convince us that it is. And one sure sign that there are going to be prosecutions is the desperation of the right in its attempts to smear anyone and everyone that dares to push this case or provide evidence that tightens the noose around Rove's neck.
Thou protesteth too much.
August 2nd, 2005 at 1:17 pmSam & someone else were saying the same thing in other threads yesterday.
Yo bushies, that bleeting sound you make may work with you lemmings in the Phaux News crowd, but we still have a republican Federal Prosecutor talking to witnesses about your "heros" failings.
Maybe what you need is more Koolaide....
August 2nd, 2005 at 1:28 pmKrazny: I think "Ken" was pulling our collective leg.
August 2nd, 2005 at 1:37 pmIt appears that Bush supporters have looked in the mirror and realized to their un-ending shock that they are reduced to defending the first true openly visible traitors of the 21st Century.
How anyone can support these traitors (not to mention lying cheating amoral unethical greedy killers) is far beyond me. But Repugs appear to have convinced themselves they've found a way. :-(
"Nothing to see here, move along"? I think not! EVERYTHING to see here and more to dig out!!!
August 2nd, 2005 at 1:38 pmcomPUTER?
August 2nd, 2005 at 1:57 pmSam
What Brian is saying is that if you do not support the National Security agencies and are willing to support people who want to do harm to those agencies, then you are support the commission of a crime against the America government.
Guess what that is! Treason. That Sam is the choice you make. This is not political, but the delibrate exposing of National Sercurity agents was a political act that was commission of the crime of treason.
August 2nd, 2005 at 2:12 pmAnd you are supporting that act of treason.
neuter rhymes with scooter.....hmmm......I like where this is going
also: cooter (kind of Bush appropriate
August 2nd, 2005 at 2:12 pmThe glacial pace of Fitzgerald's investigation coupled with the failure of this scandal to meet public scrutiny prior to the 2004 election, leads me to believe that nothing will come of this entire affair.
August 2nd, 2005 at 2:21 pmThe events and facts of the scandal are relatively short and sweet; the Adminstration is in good and friendly (Fitzgerald's) hands.
Sam, First I thought you were nuts; then I thought you were a "plant"; now I know you are an ignorant psycho sent here by the Rethuglicans.
August 2nd, 2005 at 2:38 pmWhy worry about 9/11? The damage has been done. Move on. So what if Bin Laden get let off the hook?
August 2nd, 2005 at 2:51 pmmudkitty,
Great retort - but haven't you noticed, Bush has already moved on? He chose not to hold Bin Laden accountable for killing 3000 americans, yet he and the rest of the right wing would love to see Clinton in prison over a blow job. These guys are senseless idiots...
August 2nd, 2005 at 2:55 pmWhat bothers me is whether or not Fitzgerald has to give his findings to the White House first for their review before actually indicting. I sure hope not.
Remember those other reports that were given to the White House for cleansing and there was so many black marks on it, one could not get an idea of what was said.
I hope we get an indictment first and then the White House finds out the information at the same time the American people do.
August 2nd, 2005 at 3:00 pmI can only explain the length of time and the absence of a gag order as Fitz's way of softening the public and the administration. I hope this is the case.
August 2nd, 2005 at 3:10 pmGee - I thought I was the one who came up with the word "Repugnantcans." I'm crushed.
August 2nd, 2005 at 3:13 pmThe glacial pace of Fitzgerald’s investigation coupled with the failure of this scandal to meet public scrutiny prior to the 2004 election...
1) The "glacial pace": Fitzgerald was appointed special counsel on Dec. 30, 2003. I don't think a year and a half is overly long for an investigation into possible criminal behavior by high officials in the White House. It took many weeks for the CIA to finally get a response out of the DOJ just to start the investigation. On top of that, Fitzgerald has had to question some of the same people several different times, apparently due to conflicting or changing stories. So much for full cooperation.
2) "failure of this scandal to meet public scrutiny prior to the 2004 election": Please elaborate on that one. It's not clear what you're trying to say.
3) "the Adminstration is in good and friendly (Fitzgerald’s) hands": You might want to check into Fitzgerald's other cases. I don't get the sense that he plays favorites.
August 2nd, 2005 at 3:30 pmTo bootz,
August 2nd, 2005 at 3:52 pmHad the investigation been at the place it is now one year ago, it would have been a "front burner" issue in the election. It is my sense that the whole affair was deliberately pushed into suspended animation until such recent time that, finally, some truth had to call out. The investigation's timetable is sympathetically designed to minimize damage to the administration.
Don't forget pooter!
August 2nd, 2005 at 4:24 pmHmmm... Osama bin Laden was trained by the C.I.A. and funded by our government in the '80's to fight the former Soviet Union in Afghanistan. You know what they say about the C.I.A. don't you? Once a company man always a company man!
Dan - no "front burner" issue would have changed the election. A front burner issue does not unrig the voting machines. Let's review what's happened the past 5 years:
2000 - the Repugs rig the election and voting machines in Florida and steal the election with the help of the repugnant Supreme Court (about to get even more repugnant)
2001 - the Repugs capitalize on 9/11 murder and death and insist Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden have a connection and Iraq is responsible for 9/11
2003 - George Bush cites a known falsity in his State of the Union address(and we know that because of Joe Wilson)
2003 - The Repugs take us into a war with a lie about Iraq having WMD -killing thousands of innocent people
2004 - the Repugs rig the election and voting machines in Ohio and steal the election
2005 - Karl Rove is identified as the one who revealed the identity of Joe Wilson's wife as a CIA operative. Bush backs Rove, says screw you to the people.
and beyond:
Rove works with Diebold on 2006 elections, and plans for the electronic voting machines in Pennsylvania for 2008.
Along the way many have come forward and tried to get the American people to understand the truth (Clarke, O'Neill, Wilson, etc). The media assists the administration in perpetrating lie after lie and deception after deception, and the American people, greedy and placated by their latest shopping spree, brainwashed and ingorant in a trance in front of Fox TV, fall for it. The internet becomes the last hope to free us from the asses of evil and corruption. We are running out of time.
August 2nd, 2005 at 4:28 pmDan, I agree with you about the timing. But, you can stack this one on top of a huge pile of issues that were stonewalled, lied about, and just plain buried before the election. If the news media were simply doing their job, it would have changed the outcome. And considering the number of crimes and ethics violations that will never get investigated while the Republicans are in power, we have to feel lucky that this one is going anywhere. No matter how smug and self-confident Bush and Rove appear to be, there's no way they wanted this kind of negative attention over this long a period of time. It's taking a toll on Bush's approval and favorability ratings across the board and his poll numbers for credibility continue to drop. People are catching on.
August 2nd, 2005 at 5:12 pmDan: "The glacial pace of Fitzgerald’s investigation coupled with the failure of this scandal to meet public scrutiny prior to the 2004 election, leads me to believe that nothing will come of this entire affair."
The Watergate scandal also met a similar fate of public indifference prior to Richard Nixon's 1972 re-election. Too bad that citizens caught on afterward, and Nixon was unable to finish out his second term, eh?
August 2nd, 2005 at 5:26 pmwhile the story may be "dead" in your world, NPR is devoting a 1/2 hour today, right now, to the "plamegate" affair and just why it is important. if you think this issue is going away, think again and turn on your radio! thank god the repugs don't own public radio, or do they?
August 2nd, 2005 at 5:38 pmThere trying with public radio. However news is news is news. despite there attempts to paint NPR as liberal it is not succeding.
August 2nd, 2005 at 5:51 pmMove on? From a case of treason in the White House where the evildoer hasn't been punished yet? *guffaw*
You can't play the "move on" card unless you said the same thing about Clinton's indiscretions with an inten. They made a federal case out of that, but now with a TRAITOR in the WH as the President's right hand man they say "move on". *guffaw*
August 2nd, 2005 at 6:10 pmI agree with Sam - It's time to move (Karl Rove) on (into the federal pen).
August 2nd, 2005 at 6:26 pmKeep the pressure on until the fat lady sings. This travesty against the nation needs full sun. Let's watch and see if the repukes try to fire the prosecutor instead of extending his term. Go for blood.
August 2nd, 2005 at 6:30 pmI always love it how the treasonous and treacherous right wing fascists scream 'move on' when treason and betrayal of the american people are involved - but they can't seem to buy enough copies of the 'star report' to get their pornographic highs...
They're sad little Sociopathic morons!
August 2nd, 2005 at 6:49 pmI held clearances as high as Top Secret-special access required. To get a TS clearance you have to sign a document stating that you will not disclose classified information and will out anyone that you know who does. The penalties, if convicted have the "up to phrases" ie a fine up to some amount and/or jail time up to some amount. Any attempt at a cover up will be countered by grand juror statements and a continuation of damaging statements by current and retired CIA people who have to be livid about the outing.
August 2nd, 2005 at 7:04 pmDid anyone catch this
http://tomflocco.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=846
August 2nd, 2005 at 7:45 pmAnon #46-- Oh that it were true! Be still my heart!
August 2nd, 2005 at 8:01 pmNot only is the Valerie Plame investigation on-going, but did you all know there is a second CIA officer who was fired and discredited for disputing the administration's claims prior to going into Iraq? His case is currently in federal court. He was in the same unit as Plame. It was in the NYT on 8/1/05, article by James Risen, and covered at Yahoo News and MichaelMoore.com.
August 2nd, 2005 at 8:02 pmAnne,
I saw that. Like all alcoholic and abusive dysfunctional families - the administration cares more about protecting its image and its dysfunction than it does the truth or 'getting better'. Classic psychosis, unfortunately the world has to pay for these freaks own personal demons...
August 2nd, 2005 at 8:05 pmBill had Monica while in the White House, but who does George have...Jeff? Isn't Jeff the guy who revealed our "leader" was going to invade Iraq four hours before it was announced by Herr Bush? (Pillow talk?) Isn't Jeff the guy who knew about Valerie even before Traitor Novak? Isn't Jeff the guy who bared his Homo Erectus for-hire for all to see on the Internet? Isn't Jeff the guy who continues to show up at various GOP shindigs? Isn't Jeff the guy who had daily access to White House press briefings even when there were none? How about that picture of dumya rubbing Jeff's bald head? How much of the taxpayers' money got sucked into Jeff's wooden drawers?
Oh, Jeff, how could you, y'all?
Just curious, Jeff.
Ciao
August 2nd, 2005 at 8:46 pmBB
Skin-Fluter? (Scooter)
August 2nd, 2005 at 8:59 pmWell the Tom Flocco site appears to be experiencing a DOS attack! Not surprising because of the explosive nature of the scoop!.
A summary:
A Chicago grand jury has indicted the President and Vice-President of the United States along with multiple high officials in the Bush administration
Chicago -- August 2, 2005 -- TomFlocco.com -- U.S. federal prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald's Chicago grand jury has issued perjury and obstruction of justice indictments to the following members of the Bush Administration: President George W. Bush, Vice-President Richard Cheney, Bush Chief of Staff Andrew Card, Cheney Chief of Staff I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez, former Attorney General John Ashcroft, imprisoned New York Times reporter Judith Miller and former Senior Cheney advisor Mary Matalin.
There were no indications given as to whether the President and his top staff members would appear publicly before cameras at the grand jury proceedings, given the gravity of the charges.
Besides the Valerie Plame CIA leak case, the Fitzgerald probe is reportedly far-reaching and expanding much deeper into past White House criminal acts involving Bush-Clinton drug money laundering in Mena, Arkansas to White House involvement in 9.11; but also for sending America's young people to their deaths or to be maimed in Iraq and Afghanistan under false pretenses.
British Prime Minister Tony Blair was indicted for obstruction of justice and is reportedly consulting with members of Parliament and legal aides regarding how to avoid appearing in the U.S.A. for interrogation before Fitzgerald in Chicago.
The revelations emanated from sources close to the grand jury who spoke with federal whistleblower Thomas Heneghen in California who said White House Senior Advisor to the President Karl Rove was also indicted for perjury and was reportedly involved with Mary Matalin in a major Bush administration document shredding operation to cover-up evidence.
Heneghen had reported over ten days ago on a TruthRadio.com broadcast [Every Monday and Tuesday evening from 8-9 pm EST--www.truthradio.com--special briefing on Wednesday evening August 3 at 8 pm EST]] that his sources close to the grand jury said former Secretary of State Colin Powell had been subpoenaed and had testified against President Bush, telling the citizen panel that the President had taken the United States to war based upon lies--a capital crime involving treason under the United States Code.
Heneghen also reported a week ago that Gonzalez and Card had been subpoened and that Tony Blair had defied his subpoena after the response time limit had expired.
August 2nd, 2005 at 9:07 pmSkin-fluter...yes..skin-fluter...
August 2nd, 2005 at 9:13 pmOrange Jump-Suiter
August 2nd, 2005 at 9:17 pmAnne, #48
August 2nd, 2005 at 9:29 pmYes, Some of us are very aware that there is another spy who tells a tale not unlike the one of Plame. But the MSM is pretty quiet about it. It is barely mentioned in the press or TV. The CIA employees are FURIOUS, but you see where that will get them: Demeaned, dismissed, disrespected, disregarded, then exiled. This is King George -- we're subjects -- and CIA, FBI, and everyone else in govt. must entertain the King and keep him happy or there will be hell to pay at the hands of his personal prime minister - Rove.
Anon,
August 2nd, 2005 at 9:31 pmIs this a hoax or did I just die and go to heaven?
Thomas Jefferson: "...we shall see the reign of witches pass over, their spells dissolve, and the people, recovering their true sight, restore their government to it's true principles."
August 2nd, 2005 at 9:54 pmAnother link to the indictment story
August 2nd, 2005 at 10:06 pmhttp://www.cloakanddagger.de/shows/webcast/August_/_CLOAK_SHOP_FLOCCO_08_02_05.mp3
Have you not noticed that trolls such as sam are going into all blog comments when major anti-"Turd Bush" news happens? They usually post 1 comment and then we spend our comments in their entirety on "sam" and his idiotic comment? It is a pattern. The troll madmen then laugh and laugh and laugh!
August 2nd, 2005 at 10:47 pmI am at my witts end with the right wing fascist thug smear camp. Have they no morals? (stupid question).
I really think I just cant take it anymore, I am watching my country go down the tubes and the right wing *uckheads still act like there is nothing to see here. Well THERE IS something to see here, a BROKEN nation, a nation that has been lied to, cheated and sold. ROt in hell GOP you have earned it. FACE REALITY. YOU HAVE BEEN DUPED BY YOUR PARTY.
Impeach the fascist NOW! Not in 2006. Wake up elected Rethuglicans you have been used. The only thing you can do now is jump ship and point fingers. Sorry excuse for a party the GOP. You tried to destroy America for profit, you shameless selfish greedy dishonest thugs.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:32 amCT,
That's so true - but ironically these guys like 'FBA - FascismBreedsAssholes' that posts are so stupid and checked out that they can no longer distinguish reality. FBA had the audacity to claim that Podesta somehow sold out america when the super computer rules were relaxed, despite the fact that those laws were simply modernized relative to the current industry - and fba's claim was utter lying slanderous propaganda!
In mid-1999, the clinton lifted export restrictions on computers operating between 2,000 and 6,500 MTOPS. A standard single processer 3ghz destktop PC is in fact FASTER than these 'super computer' speeds - that's how insanely out of date the restrictions were, and how STUPID this guy and the rest of the right wing smear machine is. They're so CLUELESS of facts and even reality that they make insane claims like this - all the while the GOP traitors sell Plutonium reactors to Iran, and WMDs to Iraq and even TRAIN AND FUND ALQUEDA (hoping they'll only fight russia)!!!!
They are prime examples of cognitive dissonance and are 'divorced' from reality..
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:45 amI like that...Bill had Monica, George had Jeff.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:47 amThey usually post 1 comment and then we spend our comments in their entirety on “sam� and his idiotic comment? It is a pattern. The troll madmen then laugh and laugh and laugh!
I don't care if they laugh. All that Sam's done is make a silly statement that can be shot down in at least a dozen different ways, mostly by just plain old facts. All the trolls are really doing is putting up nice fat targets for the rest of us to plink away at. Think of it as target practice. It's a great way to develop talking points and prepare oneself for quick retorts. I appreciate the opportunity to slap down a wingnut. It's fun.
August 3rd, 2005 at 10:56 amDon't forget Ollie North's sale of advanced anti-tank missiles to Iran and their poxy army Hizbollah in Lebannon. Do you think those Israeli tank crews consider him a "patriot?"
August 3rd, 2005 at 11:22 amI think bootz is right. Wingnuts have been sharpening their talking points on talk radio for decades. We have to call them on their BS, and practice makes perfect.
August 3rd, 2005 at 11:23 amWhy is Judy Miller still in jail?
Who is she protecting?
Wanna bet it's Cheney?
August 3rd, 2005 at 11:45 am'nothing to see here' it WOULD be funny IF it were Officer Barbrady' who was giving it voice but, it's not.
It's our generations fascist plague, your AmeriKan .gov!
August 3rd, 2005 at 12:05 pm'nothing to see here' it WOULD be funny IF it were Officer Barbrady' who was giving it voice but, it's not.
It's our generations fascist plague, your AmeriKan .gov! brought to you courtesy of the 30% who didn't 'get it' in the last election, and the 40% WHO DIDN'T EVEN VOTE!
nothing to see here...
move along now...quietly.
JETZT! Jetzt sagte ich. Schnell!
Hagelführer !!
What luck for rulers, that men do not think. Adolph Hitler
August 3rd, 2005 at 12:10 pmi think judy miller was the source! she was on the flight with collin, bush, etc., when the briefing was passed around. right now she is protecting her own ass, which is typical for these losers! she may have even planted the info into roves ear, for him to use as he saw fit.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:17 pmYeah --- worked 23 years in defense - been cleared that long. Most of us are DISGUSTED that the WHB's (White House Boobs) would disclose classified info over the open wires. I wait patiently for the final twist of the screws on this admin. - when they really turn on each other - like the filthy dogs they are - when their wall o' silence truley crumbles.
HA HA HA You Self-Righteous Turds - Fitz is gonna get ya!
August 3rd, 2005 at 3:53 pmI hope Dem hopefuls are taking furious notes on all these Repub talking points. Could be useful in 2006 to point out who defended this travesty.
Comment by cynical ex-hippie  August 2, 2005 @ 1:03 pm
Oops. *grabs his notepad*
August 3rd, 2005 at 4:17 pmGreat posts Here are some thoughts
Facts? Repulsivecans don't need no stinkin' facts!! They argue like schoolboys caught in the act.
August 4th, 2005 at 1:06 amAll current investigations into WH and Ohio misdeeds are happening for a reason DUH and all investigations need to continue until the right people, whomever that may end up being, are wearing some serious orange coveralls.
There is so much s++t coming out of the administration..every day something else happens.....if we could ALL concentrate on ONE violation of (blank-we need to fill it in), then maybe we could collectively make a change...a real difference....but remember the old saying, united they stand, divided they fall...we are "divided" everyday with so much crap that by the time we object to one policy, a new and equally irritating one emerges and we do not have time to focus on the previous one!
I personally think it all would be decisive if we go back to the reason the towers fell....the truth about 911 will set us all free....no other steel frame building has EVER collapsed 'cause of fire..get to the scientific reason for the collapse and......everything else followed, and makes perfect sense.
Iraq was and is a disaster....let's not let them continue. We need more whistle blowers!
August 4th, 2005 at 2:31 amThe Rockefeller Institute, through Horace Mann, eventually edited "cause-and-effect" out of ALL SCHOOL curricula, so that "priority" can no longer be assessed.
This is WHY the media/press can drone on and on and on about details, and yet entirely miss the point.
Rove is a small--but prosecutable--detail in the fabric of wholesale criminality of the Bush Crime Syndicate and its Satanist networks.
It's so easy to spend all our energy on straining at this gnat and still swallowing all the camels : war profiteering, election fraud, drug-running and money-laundering, but most especially, LIES, DECEIT, CONCEALMENTS, SECRECY AND BACK ROOM DEALS.
This is not merely bring down the US : this is bringing down Civilization, the permission to fabricate, obfuscate and mislead.
August 4th, 2005 at 10:34 amI spent hours looking for more support of the tomflocco story last night.
Couldn't get into the flocco site either. Did find one other blog that carried the tomflocco story. Just like above here.
I DID HOWEVER find one small story burried at mydd
I do not know if the date at the bottom is for that entry or not.
Rove to be indicted "this week or early next",
by PACollegeDem
Wow! Big news--Chris
I realize a few diaries have already talked about RedState user OhSure's comment (supposedly confirmed by good sources) that Rove is to be indicted soon, but here's a little more on the coming indictment from Dissident Voice's Joshua Frank (the link comes courtesy of Come And Take It, a community of Texas left wing bloggers):
Occasionally I get emails from Washington folks who work on the Hill claiming to possess juicy insider digs on our public servants and their corporate paymasters. I usually delete said emails, as I don't want to be responsible for propagating dirty rumors or false information that can't be corroborated. I'd rather let Judith Miller and the New York Times do that. Nonetheless, in the past 24 hours I have been contacted by three separate congressional Democrats in Washington, by email and later phone, who all say the same thing: Karl Rove is about to be indicted.
Joshua Frank also makes note of the RedState comment:
Apparently, I'm not the only one who has been leaked this information either. Over at Redstate, a right-wing Internet blog, one member who calls himself "Ohsure", also claims that "[four] Great sources confirmed" the matter, and later added: "I not only don't do this, I have never done this. But here it is; `Karl Rove will be indicted late this, or early next week.' I'm trusting a source. So either I am made a [sic] into an overzealous horses a**, or..., I have good sources and may be more trusted to get these things right."
It looks like Rove isn't going to be able to weasel out of this. I've been skeptical since the start (as one Kossack put it "I'm afraid to get excited about this like a poor kid is afraid to get excited about Christmas) but this is definitely hopeful news. The Washington buzz is that Rove will be indicted; now let's work on that conviction.
But what about all the speculation that this could unravel something a little higher up? It looks like the White House is seeking some heavy duty cover; namely Jim Sharp. The link, also via Come And Take It, has some exceprts from FindLaw and RawStory explaining the implications of Bush seeking outside counsel and elaborating on Jim Sharp's expertise in covering up GOP "accidents", including his involvement in representing some big players in Iran-Contra.
The ball is rolling, and it will not be stopped.
Diaries :: PACollegeDem's diary :: Wed Jul 6th, 2005 at 03:11:15 PM EDT
August 5th, 2005 at 12:33 pmRove will be there forever.
August 5th, 2005 at 4:06 pmRove is the magic brain of the whatever White House.
Magic 8 Ball Brain
One way or another, Rover will NOT be there forever.
These wingnuts will self destruct. Colon Powell has testified against shrubya.
The rats know the ship is sinking, and they are starting to leap off.
(off the subject)
shrubya - the poster child and reason for abortion rights
August 5th, 2005 at 4:43 pmA good follow up to the Tom Flocco story at http://citizenspook.blogspot.com/
August 6th, 2005 at 11:36 amAlso from http://cloakanddagger.de/
Tom Flocco was warned by a U.S. Intelligence source that a contract FBI Division 5 operative had compromised his website without his knowledge. He made the decision to immediately move the site to a new server since the site was unstable and experiencing intermittent availability. The recent stories "Financial Terrorism Towers Over 9.11" and "Bush and Cheney Indicted" will both be placed up online with his archive shortly, while his website is restored. Tom was locked out of the administration editor which allows the posting of stories and news on his site; and the site went up and down on the web during certain parts of the last few days without his knowledge or control.
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