O’Reilly: I Would Execute Everyone At Gitmo
O’Reilly: I Would Execute Everyone At Gitmo
The United States is holding more than 500 foreign detainees at the prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. These men have been deprived of basic legal and civil rights, and reports of abuse, torture and grotesque mistreatment are rampant. Many, if not most, of the detainees have been there nearly four years, yet in all that time, only four have been accused of any crime. And even then, military prosecutors recently charged the military trials against those four have been rigged.
The entire mess is playing into the hands of the terrorists, who now use Guantanamo Bay as a recruiting tool.
So what would Fox’s Bill O’Reilly do to fix the problem? Kill ‘em all:
O’REILLY: I don’t give them any protection. I don’t feel sorry for them. In fact, I probably would have ordered their execution if I had the power. (Listen to O’Reilly here.)
UPDATE: Crooks and Liars has the video.
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Personally? Or would you have Hannity do it for you?
August 3rd, 2005 at 12:22 pmI have to hand it to you guys at thinkprogress.org for sitting through O'Reilly's useless show long enough to get this story. I hope you had a barf bag handy. "The spin stops here", he exclaims. Puh-lease!
August 3rd, 2005 at 12:32 pmHannity would do it with glee.
August 3rd, 2005 at 12:44 pmIn spite of the occasional foul language that occurs here, there are no words that I can be permitted to use to describe this low-life $##^&(%#^&**($##%&%$()!!!
August 3rd, 2005 at 12:45 pmHe should be treated like we have treated some of the "detainees"!!!!!!!
Didn't he used to host Entertainment Tonight?
August 3rd, 2005 at 12:45 pmWith John Tesh?
August 3rd, 2005 at 12:46 pmIt was Hard Copy I think.
August 3rd, 2005 at 12:50 pmLet's hear it for Hackett, who ran on the Bush is a Chickenhawk platform.
Rep. King, Peter (R-NY-3rd)
Sen. Hutchison, Kay Bailey (R-TX)
Sen. Cornyn, John (R-TX)
Sen. Coleman, Norm (R-MN
Rep. Blunt, Roy (R-MO-7th
Sen. Graham, Lindsey (R-SC)
Sen. McCain, John (R-AZ)
Sen Roberts, Pat (R-Ks)
And contact the other Chickenhawks.
August 3rd, 2005 at 12:52 pmDidn’t he used to host Entertainment Tonight?
No, Inside Edition - good lord, just imagine O'Reilly on ET next to the gorgeous Maria Menounous talking about falafeling her....ugh, actually don't.
August 3rd, 2005 at 12:54 pmO'Reilly is a phony, gutless, lying, slimeball (not to mention perverted mysogynist) who desperately wants the world to think that he's a tough guy. I believe this is the mo of the conservative powerseats. All that said and I still consider Hannity far more loathsome. Like all bullies, when someone gets in O'Reilly's face he'll back down 9 9% of the time. Personally, I'd love to meet the guy in a dark alley to see just how "tough" he is. But that's just me.
August 3rd, 2005 at 12:57 pmAt least his ratings are plummeting like a lead balloon.
I try to hate him, but he looks so much like the father in Christmas Story/The Night Stalker. His name escapes me. "Frah-gee-lay"
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:01 pmO'Reilly is a whacko. His ratings are tanking and the buzz is FOXNews(GOP-TV) may move him to another timeslot.
He'll say anything for attention.
. . .
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:01 pmYou're thinking of Darren McGavin.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:04 pm-I try to hate him, but he looks so much like the father in Christmas Story/The Night Stalker. His name escapes me. “Frah-gee-lay�-
Darren McGavin
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:05 pmIt was Current Affair, I think.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:05 pmYep, Inside Edition. Still a complete jerk-off.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:06 pmWell, if they're so damned innocent, why are they locked in Gitmo, huh? Gotcha!
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:06 pmO'Lielly is a gasbag who wouldn't know the truth if it came up and bit him in the scrotum. Additionally, he is a gutless bully who, when confronted, can only bluster and back down.
Kinda like the present inhabitant of the White House, actually.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:08 pm[...] That’s some no-spin for you… summary execution of brown-skinned non-xians who haven’t been charged with any crimes. And he’s a millionaire? O’REILLY: I don’t give them any protection. I don’t feel sorry for them. In fact, I probably would have ordered their execution if I had the power. [...]
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:09 pmYeah, it was A Current Affair. He was before Povich, or after, it's so long ago.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:11 pmIt was A Current Affair
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:12 pmI am so sick of liberal pandering on Gitmo. I could careless (and so do most voters) what happens there. These people are suspected terrorists and the left's big LIE on detainee treatment has already been exposed.
If there is one reason people do not trust Democrats with national security, it because they seem to show more sympathy to terrorists than they do their political opponents - in America.
Please keep talking about this so we can wrap it around your neck come 2006. Democrats are terrorist sympathizers works for me!
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:13 pmI didn't know his ratings were down. Perhaps ET will take him back. Or perhaps a slot might open in Tesh's uber hot soundscapes (Target) ensemble.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:14 pmhttp://mediabistro.com/tvnewser/
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:15 pmMaybe we'll stop talking about the abuses in Gitmo when you are held there, DilEnema. Until then,keep watching FOX.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:16 pmYeah! Let's beat the prisoners to death while we get our asses kicked in the field! That's tough!
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:16 pmSkid - sorry, I am not a terrorist. These people are. Your phony outrage is noticed.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:18 pmNED,
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:19 pmWe tried that. I can still feel the groung tremble when Kerry/Edwards cried "I will kill terrorists".
Parallel with your arguement NED is the reality that it is becoming consensus that we're creating terrorists.
We'll see who wins.
You a Chickenhawk, NED?
Not everyone in Gitmo is a terrorist DilEnema. I'm surprised you didn't know that yet. Suspected, yes, proven, no. You still have a chance.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:20 pmNED's comment reminds me of a recent Tom Tomorrow 'toon...
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:21 pmYeah Brian - I am a chicken hawk. I do ride the subway everyday though.
We are not creating more terrorists. We are uprooting an entire region of the world that hates today as much as they did on 9/11. It's called war - something you people don't seem to understand. It's ugly, it's nasty and it's not always right, but it has to happen. Of all the things I'll waste energy worrying about in this awful conflict, sympathizing with terrorists is at the bottom of my list.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:23 pmYep, the main character in the 'toon IS DilEnema to a "T".
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:23 pm#30 - I am willing to side with the military. What interest do they have in throwing people in Gitmo that aren't really a threat. AND here's a hint Skid - the 20th hijacker is a terrorist and I would kill him if I had the chance, NOT cry that he's stuck on the floor naked.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:24 pmDude, you could get, like, demoted a whole half a rank for summary execution. And lose your jello privileges for a week!
But you would get a free signed copy of O'Reilley's book.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:25 pmYou're trying to train cats to swim. Remember: Guns don't kill people. Christians, Jews and Muslims kill people".
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:25 pmUmmm... NED, the 20th hijacker was tried in civilian court.
Remember?
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:26 pm"We are not creating more terrorists."
What?!?
You really can't be that ignorant, can you DilEnema?
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:26 pm"I am so sick of liberal pandering on Gitmo... These people are suspected terrorists and the left’s big LIE on detainee treatment has already been exposed."
"Suspected" being the key word here. I "suspect" this guy is an imbecile. Can we take away his competency to vote?
What scares me is not so much that they don't care that we've imprisoned people without charges or proof and tortured people counterproductively to get intelligence that is useless; what scares me is that people like this permit themselves to suspect logic and think it's all a big liberal conspiracy. But then again, evolution and heliocentricity are all big liberal lies too.
The one very redeeming thing about the left is that we are willing to deal with and accept facts, even when they make us nauseated. Wheras the current right wing ignores anything inconvenient or disquieting.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:27 pm[...] couldn’t get any dumber. [...]
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:28 pmSkid - no, I'm not ignorant. Our disagreement over that single issue is the dividing line in this debate. George Bush is not creating terrorists - they've existed for sometime. AND until people like you understand, you will NEVER get the White House back.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:28 pmDilEnema NEVER fails to amaze me.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:29 pm#
I am so sick of liberal pandering on Gitmo. I could careless (and so do most voters) what happens there. These people are suspected terrorists and the left’s big LIE on detainee treatment has already been exposed.
If there is one reason people do not trust Democrats with national security, it because they seem to show more sympathy to terrorists than they do their political opponents - in America.
Please keep talking about this so we can wrap it around your neck come 2006. Democrats are terrorist sympathizers works for me!
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August 3rd, 2005 at 1:30 pmGet with the program Duh li'l enema, we're not sympathizing with terrorists anymore, we're sympathizing with violent extremists.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:31 pmSkid - you people always amaze me when it comes to national security priorities.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:31 pmHey Dilemma, where were the majority of 9/11 hijackers from? Why haven't we invaded that country?
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:31 pmThat is a "Hasty Generalization", NED. And it is illogical to compare potential terrorists with past terrorists. I hope your subway is taking you to class.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:31 pmNortheast whatever--
The CIA would dispute your assertion that more terrorists are being created.
And yes, war is occasionally necessary. But in case you haven't noticed, every casus belli in Iraq your side has put forth has fallen on its face. So that's not war, that's naked aggression, and 1800 of our own have fallen because of it.
Get your head out of your ass.
Finally, how do you know everyone at Gitmo is a terrorist? If you get arrested tomorrow for something you didn't do, should democracy in America throw its hands up in the air and say, Well he must have deserved it.
I thought Republicans believed in the rule of law, not the rule of the Jungle.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:31 pm#44 - my apologies, I forgot what we were calling it this week.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:32 pmMORE terrorists and terrorist sympathizers DilEnema. Your ignorance shows when you claim that I and others say BushCo created terrorism.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:32 pmohdave - how do you know that prisoners are being tortured at Gitmo?
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:33 pmThe current National security program is ignoring the terrorists coming in with the Mexicans. AND not invading Saudi Arabia.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:34 pmREAD DilEnema, that's how we know.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:35 pmSkid - the sheer fact that you imply Bush created terrorists explains in one sentence why the Democratic Party is politically powerless.
If I recall, terrorists hated us on the morning of 9/11. Were we in Iraq then? Stop HATING your own country. It's digusting.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:35 pmAll the ReichWingNut whinging about revelations of torture at Gitmo and other US installations around the world makes me laugh. They think they're safer. Really, they do. They think they're bringing change that will allow them to live in peace. Really, they do.
If you go back and carefully review the language Hitler used to "defend" his nation in a "time of war", you'll see striking similarities to the present.
Next thing we'll have is a ReichWingNut defense of Tomás de Torquemada.
Afterall, the only thing the ReichWingNuts want is to "defend" their faith, right? Faith in nationhood. Faith in Ayatollah Fallwell. Faith in the Second Coming of God Himself, Son of George the Smarter.
Yep, I can see it now. Prepare for the resurrection of Tomás de Torquemada! On a Fox news channel near you very soon.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:35 pmTerrorists hated us!
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:36 pm#52 - point taken. Secure the borders and take action against the Saudis. I have no problem with that. Who might have a problem with that? Conservatives? No.... Be careful what you ask for before you out liberals as hypocrites.... again.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:37 pmNED, we understand. It's hard to keep up with Bush's flip-flopping rhetoric.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:38 pmI wish I had thought of "Jesus Christ God of WAR". I'm stuck with "Brian". Ho Hum.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:38 pmIf I recall, terrorists hated us on the morning of 9/11. Were we in Iraq then?
Were we in Saudi Arabia then? We are not now in Saudi Arabia. Why? We were asked to leave, by our "good buddies" the Saudis. That's why we needed to kick Saddam's door down, even though he was no threat. I think I'm becoming a dhimmi!
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:39 pmPerhaps NED and FBA could enlighten us as to which countries the 911 participants came from?
They'll see no irony. But blame in on "liberals" or some other damned thing just to avoid the obvious.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:39 pm#52 - point taken. Secure the borders and take action against the Saudis. I have no problem with that. Who might have a problem with that? Conservatives? No…. Be careful what you ask for before you out liberals as hypocrites…. again.
LMAO! You wanna do what? To Bandar Bush! You are insane!
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:40 pmNortheast--
I didn't say they were being tortured. I know from many published reports and from the US Army's own investigation that torture has occurred in Iraq. See the Guardian for recent news on that score.
So I don't understand your question. My question to you is, is it OK to hold people in detention indefinitely without a fair trial even though we KNOW that many people formerly held at Gitmo have been released... I assume that means the evidence against them was bogus because our fearless leader would NEVER release a known terrorist, would he? They all deserve a fair and public trial, be they American, Afghan, or elves from the North pole. If your were arrested for terrorism, drunk driving, whatever... you would want the same thing. It's called rule of law.
take a civics class.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:41 pm"I wish I had thought of “Jesus Christ God of WAR�. I’m stuck with “Brian�. Ho Hum..."
At least you get the great send-up, "The Life of Brian"! :-)
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:41 pm#61 - we see the war in a broader picture than liberals. In all honesty, the war on terror started way before 9/11. AND it's a culture of hate we are fighting, not just 19 terrorists.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:41 pmHere in Texas Mexicans support Bush. They rely on his ilk and their failed businesses.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:42 pmEven within my own company the lines are showing up between them and the people who see them as terror hosts.
#65 - there is a reason illegal immigration will not be stopped. Democrats go to the border and register voter, Republicans offer them low wage labor. It's a bipartisan issue.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:43 pmI am so sick of conservative pandering on Karl Rove. I don't feel sorry for him. In fact, I would probably have ordered him sent to Gitmo if I had the power. He is a suspected traitor and Right's big LIE on outing a CIA agent has already been exposed.
If there is one reason real Americans do not trust Republicans with national security, it because they seem to show more sympathy to traitors than they do American veterans.
Please keep defending Karl Rove so we can wrap it around your neck come 2006. Republicans are traitorous sympathizers works for me!
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:43 pmohdave - how do you know that prisoners are being tortured at Gitmo?
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:44 pmGitmo Totrute: FBI Emails
Don't talk about big pictures, NED. Terror was invented by Jews, perfected by Muslims, immortalized in the puppet state of Israel.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:45 pmYeah, I know about the Dem pro Israel.
Patriot - never said anything about Rove. But, don't hold your breath on '06 - you will lose again. I think three senate seats if Republicans get Hoeven in ND and Shelley Moore to take on your favorite bigot in WV.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:45 pmMost red states ARE safe from terrorists. Because terrorists will hit the blue states.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:46 pmRepublicans register Texas Mexicans. Go to class, NED.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:46 pm#61 - we see the war in a broader picture than liberals. In all honesty, the war on terror started way before 9/11. AND it’s a culture of hate we are fighting, not just 19 terrorists.
Agreed! The Christian fundies are next. Crucify and torture them all, O Mighty Caesar!
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:47 pm#71 - yeah and it's ironic that most of the sympathy comes from blue staters. Our forefathers would be appalled at the left if they were alive today.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:48 pmCaligula Clintoon for president!
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:48 pm#73 - I know. AND suddenly liberals would have no problems. Cause they love to kill babies, you know.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:49 pmAll babies are terrorists! Kill Kill Kill!
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:50 pmill just run on down to the ranch and take a little r&rhad ahard week twisting arms and sining cafta and sticking my nose in the steroid suspinson of palmero the devil made him do it
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:50 pmTerrorist Twos! Kill! Kill! Kill! Nummy!
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:50 pm#64 - I'm sure you LOVE war. Ironic, isn't it?
I can't take your "war" seriously since the Bush administration doesn't either. Please remember two important things. First, while we were in Afghanistan hunting Osama, the Bush administration redirected (some say illegally) $100,000,000US to planning an invasion of Iraq. Second, the 10th Mountain Division was directed by the Bush administration to leave the capture of Osama to the Pakastanis and Afghanis. Osama miraculously escaped from Tora Bora where he had been cornered by the 10th Mountain.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:51 pmTerrorist Num Nums must be put to death!
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:51 pmGee, and I wonder why the world has such a low opinion of us. It certainly can't be attitudes expressed so eloquently by our right wing friends here.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:52 pmHouse of Bush! What? Me Worryism!
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:52 pmFake and NED are better when they cut and paste their opinions. I'm done.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:53 pmVIVA BUSH MAIN!
House of Saud! Wahabbiism! You silly wabbit!
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:54 pmThis from the same guy who promised to be the first to apologize if Bushco failed to find WMD's in Iraq. That puke wasn't so eager to kill anyone when he had the chance. During the Vietnam War he managed to get college deferments and, like Cheney and the other chickenhawks, dodged the draft.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:54 pm#73 - "Agreed! The Christian fundies are next. Crucify and torture them all, O Mighty Caesar!..."
More ironic, still. The Christian Identity minister who "taught" Timothy McVie is still at large. Why isn't but Bush Administration fighting "terrorism", wherever they might be and whichever ideology they might follow?
You ReichWingNuts are the goofiest people I've ever run across.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:55 pmO'Reilley made a bet with Janeanne Garofalo whether we would be greeted with flowers or guns in Iraq.
I think he called it a draw.
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:55 pmDilemma, it's a very effective political tool, equating the detainees with terrorists. It uses ready-made levearage already present in the culture -- the notion that all Muslims are terrorists, many Americans' desperate desire to convince themselves that the war is in the hands of gun-toting Boy Scouts so that they can get on with their lives.
August 3rd, 2005 at 2:01 pmBut if you bother reading the government's own intelligence on this, you'll find that our activities at Gitmo -- at least our perceived activites -- are being used as a propaganda tool by the enemy. The Al Qaida handbook encourages fabricating such stories and playing up and distorting true stories. I don't doubt that many of the stories from Gitmo are fabricated. I also think many are true.
You'll also find in the good investigative journalism out there that former employees at Gitmo, reliable people who are putting their necks on the line, have blown the whistle on many disturbing practices there.
Is war sometimes necessary? Sure. Is any means used in war justifiable? I think NO AMERICAN OFFICER would answer yes to that question.
Only fools who haven't seen war make pronouncements like yours.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/08/03.html#a4289 here's the video clip.
August 3rd, 2005 at 2:01 pmA few things:
Let's not forget the fact that the Northern alliance was rounding up Arabs in Afghanistan and turning them in to the Americans FOR A FREAKIN' BOUNTY! What they should be doing in Gitmo is figuring out if these people were just goat herders or what?
Oh yeah, what about the young kids they released? Were they terrorists or what? Probably not, thought the wardens... Think they might be terrorists now, after having been sodomized by some Alabama Patriot???
"What advantage is it to the military to keep innocents?" ha ha ha! They just do what they are told.
August 3rd, 2005 at 2:04 pmMy top ten favorite Blogs!
http://mithras.blogs.com/blog/2005/08/conservative_bl.html
Conservative Blog Taxonomy
A selection:
1. Instapundit - Calling Glenn Reynolds intellectually lazy would be to praise him. He doesn't write, he grunts. Has gained prominence by posting a lot and never making his audience think; has done those things by never thinking too much himself. Never met a Democrat he couldn't casually accuse of treason.
2. Michelle Malkin - Far-right affirmative action hire who is so bigoted she'd arrest herself for trying to cross a border. Famously published a book praising internment of Japanese-Americans that was (a) incoherent and (b) probably not written by her. If she didn't have tits, she'd be stuck writing at Townhall.com.
3. Powerline - Bilious Minnesotans led by someone who nicknamed himself "Hindrocket." Talk about being manly in that protests-too-much way.
4. Little Green Footballs - If LGF didn't exist, Dave Neiwert would have to invent it. Heady stuff for young rightwingers, like the Völkischer Beobachter was in the good old days. Site gives off a strong scent of roast pork.
5. Captain's Quarters - Every so often on the subway, I find these screeds written in colored marker, in which the printing goes from edge to edge on the paper, often with words cut off in random spots at the end of the line and continued on the next. I am told that this style of writing is common among very delusional people. Ed Morrissey has the benefit of blogging software that paginates the words for him. He will deliver pages on any subject at all, always proving in his mind the perfidy of liberals and always making absolutely no sense. I bet Ed makes even other far-righters nervous.
6. Volokh Conspiracy - Doctrinaire right-wing lawyers who intellectualize and ward off reality, interspersed with flashes of viciousness. Fortunately, Volokh is so tone-deaf he has already excluded himself from the judgeship he obviously desires - he's described himself as a "law and order conservative" (code for putting blacks in jail) and praised torturing prisoners before executing them.
7. Hugh Hewitt - Death to Muslims! Death to Muslims! Death to Muslims! It goes on like that.
8. Dean's World - Dean Esmay is popular among right-wingers as one of those centrists who just happen to hate liberals and Democrats. A proud dry drunk, he works out his unresolved childhood issues of being raised in a union household by writing about his crackpot theories on HIV/AIDS, feminism, and capitalism.
9. Buzzmachine - A man with a face for radio, Jeff Jarvis has used his "credentials" as a television critic for TV Guide to get himself tapped by cable news as the "blog guy." Like TV news, Buzzmachine lurches from outrage to self-righteousness to the furious riding of several creaky hobbyhorses. Like TV pundits, Jarvis comes up with meaningless catchphrases that he repeats endlessly ("News is a conversation" being the most vapid) and poses as another neutral observer who just happens to hate liberals and Democrats. And like TV generally, Jarvis' presentation of any given issue is shallow and knee-jerk, and only really exists to promote the product, in this case, Jarvis. Caution: name-dropping zone.
10. RedState - Formerly known pseudonymously as Tacitus, formerly considered by some liberals as a reasonable conservative, Josh Trevino found that neither was conducive to promotion in Republican circles, so he dumped the name and his former site and founded RedState. Democrats or liberals are both banned and regularly accused of treason; Muslims are presumed dangerous. Darfur is an especially favorite topic, because it both shows Islam in a bad light and has the advantage of not having to actually do anything.
August 3rd, 2005 at 2:06 pmHis latest rant about Gitmo is even more disturbing than Bill O'Reilly's VideoGate.
August 3rd, 2005 at 2:09 pmThe Northeast Dilemma, did you ever consider why they hate us or you them? Can you elaborate on the effects of US and Western policy in that region over the last 100 or so years? Why are you so quick to bury your head up your ass when confronted with the ugly side of our conduct in this war?
Oh yes, that's right you could careless about these people. You could careless that perhaps some of the people are guilty of nothing, because you blindly trust your military. Gosh no the military could never make such a mistake!
If we don't question and examine our conduct, we are no better than the terrorists you condemn. We may have killed some terrorists, but in doing so, we have killed far more innocent people than the terrorists did on 9/11. While that may not bother you, I can assure you it will have long term consequences for us.
In case you haven't noticed, we don't live in a vaccuum. We can't just point the finger at the terrorist, while we are killing innocent people ourselves.
No one is supporting the terrorist and you damn well know it. It's just another cheap talking point.
And for all this talk about "war", let me ask you what sacrifices have you made (no, I don't mean joining up)? Are you willing to have your taxes raised for veteran services and provide long term help to military families? How about a tax raise so we don't have to turn to countries like China to finance our debt? Would you be willing to drive a more fuel efficient vehicle or ration gas to reduce our dependency foreign oil?
Other than your "rah rah USA" and mindless parroting of idiotic talking points what real thought have you ever given to the realities of our geo-global politics?
It's time for people like me to get in your face and tell you that you are full of it.
August 3rd, 2005 at 2:15 pmIsn't it about time we all flood O'Reilly's mailbox with white feathers?
He's young enough to join up.
Let us unleash Operation Yellow Journalist.
August 3rd, 2005 at 2:21 pm"It’s time for people like me to get in your face and tell you that you are full of it."
Amen!
All of us need to participate in putting the ReichWingNuts in their place. Afterall, if We The People don't do it, a well armored external military force may be required. Think Germany 1945.
August 3rd, 2005 at 2:21 pmI think we've hit upon the perfect solution. The problem is we can't tell the innocent detainees from the guilty. We can't turn the terrorists loose, but keeping the innocent is unfair. So we mistreat the innocent until we can be sure that they are so pissed at us that they will become terrorists! Then Mr. O'Reilly can feel good about executing them all. It is the perfect solution, if you're a pyschopath.
August 3rd, 2005 at 2:25 pmMaybe they'd need a little friendly locker-room loofah torture before they get executed. Surely O'Reilly has the power to order up some of that.
August 3rd, 2005 at 2:29 pm#94
Why do liberals always want to consider why terrorists hate us? What do you plan to do? Reason with them? Negotiate with them? That was how Chamberlain approached things and look where that got him. The left has a hard time forgetting Vietnam but a relatively easy time foretting 9/11? Why is that? War is hell. There is no denying that. But there is also no denying what happened on 9/11 either. We attacked Iraq on suspicion on WMDs. If Sadam hadn't moved them to Syria, he would have used them against us and Bush would have been blamed for that. I can guarantee you that.
August 3rd, 2005 at 2:30 pmPipe #91 nailed it -- these guys were bought and paid for. Rummy makes a big deal that some that we've released have become terrorists (What would you do if you were kidnapped, imprisoned tortured, Rummy, forgive and forget?) which is why he won't release more even though they're innocent.
AP News: They fed them well. The Pakistani tribesmen slaughtered a sheep in honor of their guests, Arabs and Chinese Muslims famished from fleeing US bombing in the Afghan mountains. But their hosts had ulterior motives: to sell them to the Americans, said the men who are now prisoners at Guantanamo Bay. Bounties ranged from $3,000 to $25,000, the detainees testified during military tribunals, according to transcripts the US government gave The Associated Press to comply with a Freedom of Information lawsuit. A former CIA intelligence officer who helped lead the search for Osama bin Laden told AP the accounts sounded legitimate because US allies regularly got money to help catch Taliban and Al Qaeda fighters. Gary Schroen said he took a suitcase of $3 million in cash into Afghanistan to help supply and win over warlords.
August 3rd, 2005 at 2:30 pmWhy do liberals always want to consider why terrorists hate us?
Because understanding the cause of a problem is a rather obvious first step towards doing something about it. Unless one doesn't really want to do something about the problem, or one is a moron.
August 3rd, 2005 at 2:44 pmBAck that CRAP up, always wrong! Moved WMDs to Syria? Like we could see that as it was happening? You are a gulliable FOOL/TOOL.
August 3rd, 2005 at 2:46 pmAlwaysWrong,
Facts determine a proper course of action - something CONservatives don't care about (actually they don't care about facts or PROPER course of actions). By knowing the root causes of terrorism one has an opportunity to undermine it politically and economically. The only way warfare actually stops terrorism is if you're willing to have a genocide - and frankly you are truly the terrorist the moment you consider that insanity...
The point isn't reasoning with the terrorists you retard - it's working to resolve the international problems that BREED new terrorists. You guys always say something stupid about talking to the terrorists and reasoning with them - but frankly it just shows that you're ignorant retards!
There are 5 major causes of islamic terrorism.
The failed international policies of propping up dictators who possess oil or other resources american companies want.
The failed policies in Israel that only support the israeli side of the conflict - when in fact we need to fairly and justly support both israeli and palestinian interests!
The failed policy of invading islamic countries, and putting troops in Saudi Arabia - which only inflames the radicals.
The failed policy of training radicals - AlQueda was in fact trained, funded and supported by CONservatives in hopes that they would fight russia.
The failed policy of selling advanced weapons to 3rd world countries - Ford sold Plutonium reactors to Iran, Reagan sold WMDs to Iraq.
The fact is that radical christians and jews like yourself, who are checked out clueless baffoons create terrorism by your own irresponsible acts. Your acts of supporting the terror of dictators on their own population has largely contributed to modern terrorism. I don't disregard the role of either the dictators or the mullahs in this - but unfortunately the radical and irresponsible actions that consistently has arisen from CONservative administrations has actually made the movement truly possible. It would have fizzled out on its own long ago without such inept american leadership. And your inability and unwillingness to review and recognize our role in the process is a GREAT example of why CONservatives continue to only make the problem worse.
You're all checked out clueless idiots!
August 3rd, 2005 at 2:47 pmwhy does anyone repeat what this lunatic says or thinks? why is his opinion important to rational people?? why publicize his small views at all????
August 3rd, 2005 at 2:48 pmps folks,
bill is anti-death penalty
http://mediamatters.org/items/200503160005
August 3rd, 2005 at 2:48 pmAlwaysWrong,
The left doesn't forget 9/11, we regret that an inept republican was in office at the time - otherwise there's a good chance it never would have happened! Clinton's staff warned your idiot friends that terrorism should be their #1 priority - but these incompetents were too worried about pot dealers, protecting enron while they raped california and giving tax breaks to their crooked cronies to actually protect the country!
If CONservatives ever cared about protecting america, they never would have funded and trained AlQueda in the first place you propagandist idiot!
August 3rd, 2005 at 2:50 pm"...it’s a culture of hate we are fighting, not just 19 terrorists." - Comment by The Northeast Dilemma
"...the 20th hijacker is a terrorist and I would kill him if I had the chance, NOT cry that he’s stuck on the floor naked." - Comment by The Northeast Dilemma
"Please keep talking about this so we can wrap it around your neck come 2006. Democrats are terrorist sympathizers ..." - Comment by The Northeast Dilemma
Hmm, culture of hate?
Pot
August 3rd, 2005 at 2:50 pmKettle
Black
Chris,
It's to refute what he says. If a major public figure is not refuted - then the public accepts it as truth - it's the nature of the monkey brain!
August 3rd, 2005 at 2:51 pm“Please keep talking about this so we can wrap it around your neck come 2006. Democrats are terrorist sympathizers …� - Comment by The Northeast Dilemma
Actually NED I don't sympathize with you at all. If you and your CONservative traitors hadn't sold WMDs to Iraq and funded and trained AlQueda under Reagan and BushI, we wouldn't be in this mess. You guys are the terrorists - and I have no sympathy for your stupidity, arrogance or ignorance! Too bad you can't see how ridiculous you look to anyone who's half way informed...
August 3rd, 2005 at 2:53 pmLee,
Children of Alcoholic and Abusive families (as seems to often be the case for CONservatives) don't want to look at 'facts' and 'causes', they prefer to live within their own frightful delusions. Any 'truth bearer' for a child of such a dysfunctional family must be 'symbolically slain'. It's part of their pathetic psychosis. What they need is therapy - not a bully pulpit.
August 3rd, 2005 at 2:54 pm[...] Bill O’Reilly would have all detainees at Gitmo executed if he had the authority - even though only 4 of the approximately 500 detainees there have even been charged with any crime (while many of them have been there for almost 4 years) [...]
August 3rd, 2005 at 2:55 pmNED, help me out. Are you saying your litmus test for being a "terrorist sympathizer" is being morally offended by comments about executing everyone in Gitmo without any due process? You don't have any problem with what BOR said? Would you execute them all if you could? Just curious as to what you mean with all your bullshit.
August 3rd, 2005 at 3:10 pm"There's no torture at Gitmo"
AFX News Limited
US acknowledges torture at Guantanamo, in Iraq, and in Afghanistan - UN
06.24.2005, 11:37 AM
GENEVA (AFX) - Washington has, for the first time, acknowledged to the United Nations that prisoners have been tortured at US detention centres in Guantanamo Bay, as well as Afghanistan and Iraq, a UN source said.
The acknowledgement was made in a report submitted to the UN Committee against Torture, said a member of the ten-person panel, speaking on on condition of anonymity.
'They are no longer trying to duck this and have respected their obligation to inform the UN,' the Committee member said.
August 3rd, 2005 at 3:17 pmIf O'Rielly keeps talking like he is, it's likely Bush will be giving him a promotion soon...
And NED... please. Grow up. If we were really at war, would Rumsfeld refuse to answer questions about why Humvees don't have armor? Or why soldiers don't have gas masks that stop depleted uranium?
Besides... SADDAM NEVER ATTACKED US. Osama bin Forgotten did. Remember?
August 3rd, 2005 at 3:18 pmLiberals seem to think that we have to grant the detainees at Gitmo with the same rights allowed by the Geneva convention. Well guess what, these guys are not playing by the rules of the convention. They don't represent a country, wear uniforms or follow any of the other rules so why should we? As far as our actions creating more terrorists, what responsibility does the left take by their actions? Al Jezeera eats up whatever stupid thing is said by a democratic senator or a republican for that matter. The detainees at Gitmo are treated far, far better than most prisons around the world, yet you wouldn't know it because the media in this country has an agenda and that piece of info doesn't fit it.
August 3rd, 2005 at 3:22 pmThe media's blurring of the line between an average Muslim and the terrorist is deliberate and bigoted. We all know that several Gitmo prisoners were set free, which means there could be more innocent in there since only 4 have been charged to date, yet the O'Reillys/Bushies use the term "THEY" to loosely describe all Muslim prisoners.
Also, unlike O'Reilly, most Americans support the McCain-Graham-Warner (all three Republican war hawks) legislation, but Bush theatens to veto it. I hope people know that.
August 3rd, 2005 at 3:29 pm#115, Always right -- I bet you were a model student in school. Always sat up straight and regurgitated whatever you were told by 'people smarter than you,' so you now look at yourself as 'always right.' Now's your chance to get smart, not 'right.' Instead of blindly swallowing fascist government propaganda, take a little time and educate yourself by reading #91 and #100 above.
August 3rd, 2005 at 3:35 pmthe following is from an editorial in the Minneapolis Star Tribune on reasons that torture is a very bad idea. Please note John McCain's (I'm swallowing hard as I post his words here...but he's right on this) comments at bottom:
• It is ludicrous on its face to argue, as the White House does, that prohibiting cruelty usurps presidential authority. Nothing in the Constitution or federal law gives the president such authority in the first place.
• Such treatment of detainees is a violation of international agreements to which the United States is party.
• Such treatment has been shown to have no practical value. Information coerced from prisoners through abuse or torture isn't very reliable.
• Such treatment puts American forces at greater risk of being mistreated when captured by hostile forces.
• Such treatment is immoral; moreover, it deprives the United States of the moral authority it requires to push global improvements in the conventions governing treatment of prisoners and detainees generally, including ordinary criminals.
• Such treatment provides a convenient excuse for cruelty inflicted by others and reduces chances that cruelty can be punished by the international community.
• Such treatment brings the United States international scorn and hatred that incite attacks against Americans and increase the threat from terrorism.
• Such treatment is opposed by many current and former senior U.S. military officers, including military prosecutors and defense attorneys, for a variety of the reasons listed above.
• Such treatment reduces the American people's confidence in and support for their armed forces, making recruitment more difficult and sapping morale, thus hampering defense of the nation against quite real exterior threats.
• Even terrorists should not be tortured while under American control because, as McCain said, it "is not about who they are; it's about who we are."
Congress should enact the prohibitions that Warner, McCain and Graham are pushing. We are Americans, and should be able to put into law that Americans do not torture people, period.
August 3rd, 2005 at 3:37 pmOne of the things our founding fathers fought against, was illegal search and seizure. Innocent until proven guilty etc..
If we do not at least try to follow those rules, we have lost our way.
August 3rd, 2005 at 3:57 pmI post often here. I hate O'Reilly. He is a pig. I never agree with anything the jackass says.
My opinion is my opinion. If this is a war then we must act as if we are at war. We have no lack in our decisions. If we make the wrong decision it could cost us or some other countries millions of deaths. It could mean entire regions of the world to be destroyed and uninhabitable for 100 or more years.
Let not take our eye off the ball. The stakes are great. There be no fuckups.
We actually have two wars. One is with the extreme Muslim fundamentalists. The other is here at home where the extreme right-wing is attaching us hourly. Bush is at the heart of both.
*War one:*
9/11 was against the entire world, not just America.
Bush took ten days to figure out how to deal with Bin Laden and still be able to have already planed war on Iraq. On 9/11 still country should have issued a *Declaration of War.*
We should have issued ultimatums to all countries supporting or involved with terrorists. In effect, "You have xx days to surrender them to us, or execute them with international observers. The immediate secession of all hate based schools teachings and religious hatred. Failing to do so will result in the total destruction of your country."
The terrorists would and should stand trial and be convicted of those crimes that they have committed or supported. Those that were involved in 9/11 and all activities to provide support for it and similar acts can never be set free. We need to execute those that are accountable. Others who are terrorists or terrorists want-a-be should stand trial and imprisoned for live. No torture, nothing, just put away for live and forgotten. All those to who think these guys must be free are crazy and in need of padded cells.
*Bush's second war*
Bush is a member the extreme right-wing. They are at war with us and America. They happily commit treason for purely political power gains. They are committed to the destruction of the America government and the American institutions. They committed crimes to gain control of the American political process so they can control the government. From with in the government they have attack the government structure, policies, agencies, and services. They are in the process of dismantling the entire Federal government for one suppose and only suppose, which is to throw out current government (U.S. Constitution) and create a new government base on what they say is Christian values. These supposed Christian values are completely foreign the teachings of Christ. Ever thing they do is for the enrichment of the rich. If you are not rich you are not entitled to and rights. They have stated that on their own sites.
The only way to win this last war is to arrest each and every one of the conspirators. Hold them in prison as the traitors that they are. Imprison them for live. These are very powerful people. They will do anything to advance their agenda, and I mean anything. These are the same type of people who have murdered men, women, and children because they wanted better wages, safer working conditions and better benefits. These guys at are behind Bush. Get the facts on these Raw Story article and comments.
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/ROVE_AIDE_CALLED_TO_TESTIFY_TOOK_HIS_MESS_0802.html
August 3rd, 2005 at 3:58 pmhttp://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15483
http://www.acton.org/publicat/randl/article.php?id=219
In response to Always Right #115:
"Liberals seem to think that we have to grant the detainees at Gitmo with the same rights allowed by the Geneva convention. Well guess what, these guys are not playing by the rules of the convention. They don’t represent a country, wear uniforms or follow any of the other rules so why should we?"
Because we are better than them. That's the whole point. We live in a society that recognized a long time ago that war is an ugly, brutal activity that is sadly necessary from time to time.
As a group of people supposedly guided by the rule of law and common decency, it is incumbent upon us to mitigate the horrors of war and ensure that violence and harm are only prosecuted against the minimum possible number of people, and in the minimum feasible amount.
In short, we have to play by the rules to avoid turning into the people we are fighting against.
To paraphrase Batman:
August 3rd, 2005 at 4:10 pm"Compassion is a necessary weakness, it is what separates us from them."
They don’t represent a country, wear uniforms or follow any of the other rules so why should we?
Because we are (I should say USED to be) a civilized nation that doesn't imprison innocent people and take them away from their families just because we feel like it.
I thought you people were the party of values.
August 3rd, 2005 at 4:12 pmThe biggest reason torture is bad is because it doesn't work! Serious interrogators gave it up worldwide decades ago because the information is unreliable - and frankly you get more information from positive not negative re-enforcement. For CONservatives that grow up in abusive households however, they believe that beating people is normal and appropriate - and in their dysfunction they don't realize that providing healthy structure and boundaries with rewards for good behavior and non-abusive penalties for bad behavior actually produces results in combination.
These CONservatives always remind me of the idiots on nanny 911 that beat their kids and have brats. The nanny never lays a hand on them and she has them eating out of her hand, because she knows what she's doing. The 'torturing' interrogators are unskilled amateurs, and they don't help national security, they endanger it!
August 3rd, 2005 at 4:15 pm"Frah-GEE-lay"
August 3rd, 2005 at 4:18 pmIn defense of O'Reilly, he doesn't say he wishes everyone at Gitmo were executed; he says he would have ordered the execution (if he had the power) of people who "to people not in uniform slaughtering civilians." At least according to the video at Crooks and Liars. It's still a repugnant idea, but we shouuld at least be accurate in characterizing his statement. And, no, he doesn't go on to say everyone at Gitmo fits those criteria.
August 3rd, 2005 at 4:20 pmAl Jezeera eats up whatever stupid thing is said by a democratic senator or a republican for that matter.
Stupid things like:
This is a crusade...
Bring 'em on...
It's a helluva hoot...
My god is greater than his god...
We know where the WMD are...
Those aluminum tubes can only be used for...
Those are the comments you voted for, always right.
August 3rd, 2005 at 4:24 pmabf,
Jose Padilla is the only one Bill says is different, since Jose is an American citizen. Other than that, the difference in this topic headline and Bill's statements is miniscule at best.
August 3rd, 2005 at 4:30 pmFor NED, a history of US created terrorists:
Fisking the "War on Terror"
August 3rd, 2005 at 4:33 pmThe biggest reason torture is bad is because it doesn’t work!
Depends on the goal you're trying to accomplish. If you're trying to get accurate, reliable information, then no. If you are trying to crush a resistance movement, to disabuse the local people of the silly notion that their country actually belongs to them, that might be another story.
August 3rd, 2005 at 4:34 pmI have to disagree Gary,
Torture and terror tactics rarely work to crush that kind of dissent. Typically it just makes the resolve of the tortured that much stronger.
August 3rd, 2005 at 4:42 pm#128, GK: Where's the evidence that torture crushes resistance and disabuses independence? I think the evidence is that it increases resistance and fosters independence.If were you being sarcastic, some stupid Repub (I know, redundant) might take you literally.
August 3rd, 2005 at 4:44 pmWell, Don, the Taliban successfully used torture to control a country for years. Maybe that's Bush's role model?
August 3rd, 2005 at 4:52 pmso torture would be "pacification" on a more personal level?
August 3rd, 2005 at 4:55 pmTuez-les tous!
As Think Progress points out, the vast majority of Guantánamo detainees have never been charged with any crime
August 3rd, 2005 at 5:12 pmI'd love to see a steel cage ultimate fighting match to the death, pitting inividualy, O'Liely,Limbo,Hanity wrap vs. the detainees. These right wing candy asses would dig a tunnel with their fingernails to get out of the ring. More chickenhawk cackling. Bawk Bawk
August 3rd, 2005 at 5:15 pmGK,
Don't be such an ignorant idiot. The irish have been at war with the english for almost 900 years - and only after they were granted an equitable and 'fair' seat at the table did they give up terrorism. When it became clear that the british were for the most part honoring their agreements, they even officially announced they were giving up all of their weapons. This didn't occur because of torture - it occurred because england 'stopped' torture.
CONservatives never seem to learn anything from history or facts - what a shame to them and all of those who have to live with them..
August 3rd, 2005 at 5:33 pminc,
Thanks for pointing that out. As I understand it most of the detainees are there because of what we believe that they 'know', and not because of what they 'did'. In fact part of the patriot act allows the government to detain witnesses on anything it can 'mis'characterize as terrorism indefinitely without trial or access to legal counsel. This includes american citizens, and I'm not talking about criminals - I'm talking WITNESSES.
The government is fascist, and these laws are unamerican!
August 3rd, 2005 at 5:35 pmIf I were King, dictator, had the power I would......
August 3rd, 2005 at 5:41 pmTeenage fantasies. Arrested development on the right.
John,
Then you'd be shrub living out your teenage midland texas fantasies...
August 3rd, 2005 at 5:48 pmThe look on O'Reillys face when his phone sex tapes came out, priceless.
August 3rd, 2005 at 6:41 pmWhere have all the dark blazer, grey turtle-neck, war analysts gone?
O'Reilly is a sorry excuse for journalism. He is a perverted bag of slime, spewing venom at anyone who doesn't agree with him. He is condescending and patronizing; it is too hard to watch him for any length of time. He cares not one iota for fact, he loves to spin. His "no spin zone" is a true oxymoron.
August 3rd, 2005 at 6:54 pmAnd he is the moron.
I'm not sure just what there might be in US law, but some of the British proposals, aimed at Islamic extremists, would seem to equally apply to O'Reilly. He seems to be advocating terrorism.
Just imagine the fuss if some other country had detained 500 westerners, and one of their TV pundits had said this.
O'Reilly, preaching to the madrassas of Republican America.
August 3rd, 2005 at 7:06 pmFrom Newshounds in May:
O'Reilly continues to hemorrhage viewers month-over-month since October.' Here are the monthly averages: October: 3,166,000 / November: 3,080,000 / December: 2,610,000 / January: 2,478,000 / February: 2,391,000 / March: 2,320,000 / April: 2,178,000 / May-to-date: 2,096,000
August 3rd, 2005 at 7:16 pmDave,
O'Reilly is an extremist, and he preaches just as much ignorance and hatred as the radical mullahs do!
August 3rd, 2005 at 7:16 pmJay,
We can only hope that these crap right wing shows are going the way of reality TV. The fad is done, and people are finally realizing that they're as fake as reality TV was...
August 3rd, 2005 at 7:18 pmRyan,
From your mouth to Dog's ears (did I say Dog?) ;)
August 3rd, 2005 at 7:32 pmIf you didn't catch the Daily Show last night you MUST catch the bit they do on Bolton and Bush....fvcking hysterical and really biting. Go to:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/
...and it's about he 10th item down. Brilliant!
August 3rd, 2005 at 7:36 pmJay, I love that!
Bush is a spoiled stupid little brat who's been able to get away with his anti social and psychotic behavior his whole life - of course he doesn't care. He used to brag while attending college about how his daddy could get him out of any mess he got into, and how he never had to pay for any screwup he'd done. These are the immoral and unhealthy values this poor little stooge grew up with. No wonder he's such a fvcked up mess.
Besides, anyone who's ever been around one can quickly recognize bush is a Fetal Alcohol Syndrome baby. Daddy's affairs probably drove mamma to be a drunk - it would explain the guilt and lack of proper parenting he received. Unfortunately because mom and dad didn't have the balls to deal with him in a proper way, the rest of the world gets do deal with his crap!
August 3rd, 2005 at 7:41 pmRyan,
I've seen you making that point (alcoholism and abusive backgrounds) in previous posts and I have to tell you that the two people in my circle of friends and family that are staunchly "anti-liberal" and/or pro-Bush had an alcoholic parent. I never thought about it and I'm not one to psychoanalyze, but it sure is an interesting point.
August 3rd, 2005 at 7:45 pmFor no discernible rason, the machinery here ommitted the "first quote" I posted. It is
"These people are suspected terrorists...."
August 3rd, 2005 at 7:56 pmKinnison,
Actually many of them are merely 'witnesses' or suspected witnesses to events, not just suspected terrorists. Unfortunatley the patriot act permits the government to detain 'witnesses' with the same lack of legal access or civil liberties as it does actual suspects.
This is one of the reason civil libertarians call the patriot act a disgrace!
August 3rd, 2005 at 8:10 pmO'Reilly is such a pussy that he ran out on an interview with Terry Gross on NPR. She had the temerity to ask him a question and he freaked.
I guess he had to go change a tampon, or something.
August 3rd, 2005 at 10:36 pm[...] Falafel loving phone sex freakazoid Bill O’Reilly would like to execute people who’ve never actually been charged with a crime. [...]
August 3rd, 2005 at 11:04 pmGive it up for • Frank R. Lautenberg (D-NJ ), in his fight for truth in the CIA leak case.
August 3rd, 2005 at 11:08 pmEvery America should be concerned with the ReichWing extremists that have takeover this country. I am sure that in the early stages of Hitler, Germans saw nothing wrong with the Nazi movement and Hitler's views. Bushitler and his administration are trying to takeover the world make no mistake about it. I would even bet that Hitler told the German's that, America hated them for, (Whatever their form of freedom was), Russia hated them, Poland, France and every country that complained about the Nazi's trying to take over the world hated them. In either case world domination can only be achieved when you use propaganda against your own people to convince them that your view is the "Reich" view the only view and if you don't have that view then you must be a "Jew Sympathizer" or a "Terrorist Sympathizer" Wake up America, how long can you pretend to be Asleep?
August 3rd, 2005 at 11:17 pmDo You Nazi Germany would treat detainees any different?
Prisoners at Gitmo and Abu Grhaib are not known terrorists -- they are witnesses -- they may know something, but then again, they may not. The main point here is that America is supposed to be above this; we are supposed to set the example of integrity, but that is a foreign word to this administration. Don't think for a minute that a 20 year old from an Iowa corn town thought up all these tortures -- these orders came from the top. And there are brutal tactics being practiced -- taught from the experienced. The horror is that when our guys are POWs anywhere from now on, how will they be treated? What goes around comes around. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and company are responsible for all this evil. Bush-lovers say "my country, right or wrong" but that is faulty thinking. Dissent is the highest form of patriotism. So said T. Jefferson.
August 3rd, 2005 at 11:55 pmO'Reilly will say anything outrageous to feed his bloated ego. It's all about Bill. He's a nut schzoid. I ignore the idiot. Is it ok to call him an idiot?
The Bush Cabal is lying all of the time. They can't stop. Big deal. Jimmy cracked corn and I don't care.
Fake but inaccurate has flown over the cuckoo's nest.
Twenty-one dead American military personnel in two days is not a good sign. Hard to spin that.
August 4th, 2005 at 12:31 amThe problem with the Gitmo "detainees" is that we don't know who they are. I doubt that a real terrorist would carry real ID. Where were they captured? In a cave, fighting, or scraping a horseshoe in the wrong place at the wrong time?
What is their crime? Were they actually engaged in a fighting unit, or known to be plotters? What exactly did they do? And how is some kid from Podunk going to tell these guys apart even, when "they all look the same"?
I'm not anti-death penalty. My brother was murdered, and I want his killer dead (long story). The people who planned, financed, and/or carried out the murder of 3,000 American civilians deserve to die by one of two methods: jump 100 stories to their deaths, or be ground to pieces as a 100-story building collapses around them. If some of these people are at Gitmo, kill 'em. If they're not, find out who the detainees are and what they did, bring them to justice via formal charges and hearings and sentencing, or turn them over to the Afghan government.
August 4th, 2005 at 2:45 amRyan, I'm not advocating torture. Just think we should consider what it says about the Bushies' real goals, and those of US foriegn policy in general.
August 4th, 2005 at 9:40 amIsn't O'Lielly AGAINST death penalty??
August 4th, 2005 at 1:33 pmI think almost anyone would agree that terrorists can be described simply as "pissed-off, highly revengeful people". So for all you stupids, just piss 'em off some more! Your violence is endangering me and my family, you violent scum- stop it! Read your precious bible you hypocrites.
August 4th, 2005 at 1:41 pmAnother wannabe tough-guy comment from a wannabe tough-guy Faux News mouth. No surprise.
August 4th, 2005 at 2:24 pmUm, last time I checked, TV is to sell advertisements and make money. Why do we think that these idiots on TV are supposed to serve some type of public good. The more controversial you are, the better the chance you have of garnering better ratings.
Sure the guy's a moron, but giving people like this any more political credibility than Hilary Duff is our problem. If we didn't watch this trash they will go away. Just change the channel or better yet turn it off. Its the public interest that supports these fools.
August 4th, 2005 at 4:55 pmFirst of all....the United States is at "War"
with NO one as of this date, if the right wingers
and GW Bush would read the US Constitution, they
would see Article 6 says that only Congress can
vote to declare war...and to our knowledge they
have not.
2nd. For the person who's brother was killed on
August 4th, 2005 at 5:03 pmSept 11th, we all grieve with you, that was a tragic
day, but we also have to find out what truly happened
on that day...it was never fully investigated.
Why did the buildings fall as they did, looking like
an implosion.
Why was Cheney in charge of "Operation Northern Guardian" on that day, the only VP in charge of
military operations that I know of in our entire history.
Look up "Operation Norther Guardian" it was a military
excercise with the "Plane hitting building" scenario,
so for Cheney and this administration to say they
would have never known about what would happen is
a crock.
That is the smoking gun, find that out about Cheney
and you have your answer.
Let's face reality here people. We have a complete and total incompetent idiot in the White House. He's a liar and a coward. His daddy got him through college, as you noticed, the idiot does not have command of the English language. His daddy got him out of serving his country, the cowardly punk.Instead of going after bin Laden like he started, he waged war on a country that wasn't even bothering us. Just to avenge his asshole daddy.
August 4th, 2005 at 5:20 pmThis is a sentence from one of his speeches at a college in November of 2002.
"If you don't stand for anything, you don't stand for anything, and if you don't stand for something, then you don't stand for anything." Are you serious? This jerk doesn't even know how to talk. He's nothing more than a dumb, stupid, hillbilly. He should go back to his hillbilly ranch and play cowboy, that's all he's good for. He is the most sorriest excuse for a human being I've ever seen in my life. He is so sorry, that the best part of him was flushed down the toilet during premature ejaculation.
>>>>
...But then again, evolution and heliocentricity are all big liberal lies too.
>>>>>
Next thing you know, the liberals will be telling folks that the earth is round.
August 4th, 2005 at 5:31 pm>>>
...These people are suspected terrorists and the left’s big LIE on detainee treatment has already been exposed...
>>>>
Yeah, they are "suspected" to be terrorists by the same gang that "suspected" there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
Oooops! BTW, when was it "exposed" that the detainees haven't suffered abusive treatment? Haven't you seen all of those pictures from Abu Ghraib?! Oh, that's right...we'll NEVER see ALL of those pictures if the Bush gang have their way; they themselves argue that the rest of those photos are just too horrific, and their publication would incite those barbarous A-rabs to repay the USA for the incredibly sadistic treatment of helpless prisoners by our fine upstanding American boys (and girls!) who decided "all by themselves" that they were free to torture, punish, humiliate, and kill Muslim prisoners in their care and custody. Who cares if many of these prisoners were caught up in indiscriminate sweeps of various neighborhoods? After all, these rag-heads are all the same, anyway...they "hate freedom" and they eat Christians.
Sheeeee-it...I marvel at the ability of right-wing knee-jerk "conservatives" to justify anything America does, no matter how heinous and how un-American. Barry Goldwater must be spinning in his grave over the 'Final Solution' fantasies of O'Reilly and his disciples.
August 4th, 2005 at 5:59 pmI was Personally Involved in The OJ Simpson Case. Years ago, Bill O'Reilly took some of My Paperwork involving some of My Involvment in The Case. Of course, He Cowardly Covered it Up.
In August of 2000, Joseph Bosco and Bert Luper were on His Show talking about Bill Wasz (His Kardashian Story). O'Reilly could have followed up on Some Information about Bill Wasz. He DIDN'T. Bill Wasz Died (Was Murdered) in Mid-March 2005, of this year. Bill O'Reilly is an ALL-OUT Yellow Belly Coward!!!!!!!!!---Period. If Bill O'Reilly would have given ANY Kind of Consideration (Thought) to Bill Wasz's Involvement in The OJ Simpson Case and Looked into it, Bill Wasz May Very well be Alive today. What can I say.
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August 4th, 2005 at 6:09 pmI agree with Mr. O, Whack'm all! Those who represent the dirt of the earth and have no moral prospective of human life should experience a little of their own medicine. In fact, eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth. Thank you for your comments O!
August 4th, 2005 at 7:40 pm>>>>>
Those who represent the dirt of the earth and have no moral prospective of human life should experience a little of their own medicine. In fact, eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth. Thank you for your comments O!
Comment by FedUp  August 4, 2005 @ 7:40 pm
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You prove by your statement that you have "no perspective of human life"[sic]. How moral is it to mistreat innocent captives...to the point of "whacking" them?
What kind of medicine will cure that kind of attitude...the same kind that you are so eager to dish out to people who have been 'detained' (and sadisticly abused by your similarly-minded monsters at Bagram, Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, and ______ ) who have never been charged--let alone found 'guilty'--of any crime whatsoever?
Tell me how attitudes like your's distinguish you from the 19 criminals who attacked the USA on 9/11/01. I'm sure those self-righteous murderers felt justified in killing indiscriminately, as payback for the crimes committed against their people. That is precisely why we call them 'terrorists'...and idiots like you want to join them in meteing out vengeance to perfectly innocent people (like the 100,000+ Iraqi civilians killed by America's invasion and occupation of THEIR country--a country that had absolutely NOTHING to do with the 9/11/01 attacks) in your lust to pay back for the crimes of Al Qaeda.
Your's is an attitude we used to expect only from enraged children, insane people, and TERRORISTS. Grow up, bub, and quit waging war from your La-zee Boy! Go ahead and join the army so you can take orders from that other quintessential coward George Bush who continues to wreak havoc from his big safe pickup truck in Crawford. Frankly, I think your time would be better spent in learning to think critically and to express yourself intelligently...and maybe getting a handle on your poorly focussed RAGE.
August 4th, 2005 at 8:44 pmNed probably still thinks that Iraq and 9/11 were tied together.
O'lielly is a gas bag. I contacted him and had some "pithy comments" for him, and to take a page out of his book,
I told him he just didn't have the guts to have me on his show, as I would call him the Nazi he is.
Guess it was just too pithy for him. Go figure
He has no guts. He is like the current greenry in the white house, no brain, large mouth always open, and has someone else do his dirty work.
August 6th, 2005 at 1:08 pm#172 I agree with Mr. O, Whack’m all! Those who
represent the dirt of the earth and have no moral
prospective of human life should experience a
little of their own medicine. In fact, eye for an
eye and tooth for a tooth. Thank you for your
comments O!
From where I sit, you are looking like the dirt of the earth.
But I will say something nice to you...
You would make an excellent brown shirt. And the army wants YOU! Go inlist.
Your little example of intolerance is one that Shrubya has cultivated along with your family.
It takes generations to breed people like you. Pity they had the time to do it.
August 6th, 2005 at 1:14 pmWhat makes me seethe with anger is that O'Reilly, like Limbaugh, Hannity, and Savage, all stomp around with their chests in the air as if they are great Americans - and yet all of their energy is directed at, and therefore their income derived, from ATTACKING OTHER AMERICANS. The day I hear any of these lunatics spend anywhere near as much time disparaging the people who actually did and intend to do Americans harm as they do villifying the very people who are standing next to them as Americans, then I might forgive them.
O'Rielly is exactly what every terrorist hopes for - get the Americans to turn on each other and that's all the less energy, money, and ammunition they need to dedicate to us.
Way to go, fat O'.
August 8th, 2005 at 8:57 pmI would love to opine on O'LIElly for a few minutes, opine him upside the head.
August 9th, 2005 at 12:16 amI think northeast dimentia probably doesn't think that the shrubs got their money from questionable means.
I am also SURE dimentia probably won't research it either.
The swastika doesn't fall far from the nazi.
August 9th, 2005 at 12:19 amBull S. O'Really is a whacko. Unfortunately, even people who don't like him watch the show. It is like a sideshow geek act. You just can't resist peeking under the tent to watch the garbage fall out of his mouth. And he looks like he is having so much fun doing it.
August 18th, 2005 at 11:03 pm-- Here E Here E,, come see the amazing Garbage Man.--
Maybe we should try boycotting the products that advertise during his time slot. If we let them know we are boycotting, and they see their sales slipping,, maybe they will send him to look for a real job.
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August 20th, 2005 at 1:46 amBill O'Reilly is right...
ANYONE who would give terrorists any rights should not be tried but be executed dead-on for treason.
August 23rd, 2005 at 5:48 pmBill O'Reilly is correct, unlike you anti-American leftist. POW's have the rights given by the Geneva Convention. They do not have that same rights granted to American citizens.
The POW's are treated better than our soldiers, and eat better than most Americans.
If the table was turned, how would the American POW's be treated? Beheaded on video tape!
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December 9th, 2005 at 2:39 pmhow do you know everyone at Gitmo is a terrorist? If you get arrested tomorrow for something you didn’t do, should democracy in America throw its hands up in the air and say, Well he must have deserved it.
November 20th, 2006 at 4:50 amThe day I hear any of these lunatics spend anywhere near as much time disparaging the people who actually did and intend to do Americans harm as they do villifying the very people who are standing next to them as Americans, then I might forgive them.
December 8th, 2006 at 4:57 am"O’Reilly is a whacko. His ratings are tanking and the buzz is FOXNews(GOP-TV) may move him to another timeslot."
Hardly. His ratings are higher than all the other cable news programs in the 8-9 EST time slot COMBINED.
I think the reason Fox News is so successful is because there is only one conservative network (Fox) and therefore Fox has 100% of the conservative viewing audience. The liberal news networks (ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC, MSNBC, etc.) have to split their liberal audience among them. The bad news is that in order for Fox's ratings to suffer there needs to be more conservative networks.
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