Roberts Gets the Swift Boat Treatment
Roberts Gets the Swift Boat Treatment
Deep in a Times piece published yesterday, we learn that Federalist Society president Eugene Meyer has hired a PR firm “to train [society] members and place them on television shows during the confirmation process.” Of course, in another example of the Federalist Society and the White House trying to conceal their relationship, Meyer won’t admit that his group is backing Roberts — no, he says he hired the group merely to help “educate the public on the role of judges and courts.”
“Given the general philosophical outlook, the chances are very good that they’ll support the nominee,” Meyer said. “But [supporting Roberts is] not the purpose.”
And which group did Meyer hire to help with this noble campaign to enlighten the public? Try Creative Response Concepts, the same firm that represented the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.
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August 3rd, 2005 at 2:49 pmNot sure why the WH/Roberts are trying to conceal his relationship with the Federalist Society. Whimps.
It’s not like Ruth Buzzi Ginsburg / Clinton tried to conceal her relationship (General Counsel) with the ACLU, which is a much more active policy influencing entity than the Federalist Society, which seems more like a club.
August 3rd, 2005 at 2:53 pmTony is an idiot.
August 3rd, 2005 at 2:54 pmQuite a club…
(From the same article linked above)
August 3rd, 2005 at 2:59 pmHow dare you call our 21st Century, streamlined KKK and John Birch Society all rolled into one, just a “club”.
THE FEDERALIST SOCIETY AND THE CHALLENGE TO A DEMOCRATIC JURISPRUDENCE
“[S]o much of the [Federalist] Society’s leadership consists of active politicians and others whose slouching towards extremism is self-proclaimed.”[1]
– Former American Bar Association President, Jerome Shestack
I. Introduction
As the conservative movement develops its challenge to fundamental institutions in the American body politic, ranging from the public schools to the Republican Party and the mainline religious denominations, it has not ignored the legal front. Extreme conservative legal organizations sponsoring a combination of right-wing litigation and advocacy are opening the way for a radical transformation of the American legal system.
One of the most significant developments has been the emergence of the Federalist Society for Law and Public Policy Studies, formed in 1982 and based in Washington, D.C. This organization has developed comprehensive challenges to a broad range of constitutional principles, and it is targeting the courts, the law schools, and the American Bar Association (ABA) itself.
Serious questions also have been raised about the Federalist Society in the federal judicial selection and confirmation process. Senior Judge Roger J. Miner of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit warned as long ago as 1992 that the power of appointment of federal judges “has shifted away from Presidents and Senators to staff,” and that “the force of history and attachment to the coattails of political winners have catapulted them [the right-wing lawyers clustered around the Federalist Society] to positions of power, first as law clerks, then as movers and shakers in the office of the Attorney General, and now in the office of the President. This has been accomplished not by acquiring political power but by co-opting it. Lee Liberman, a founder of the new Federalists and now Assistant Counsel to the President, examines all candidates for federal judgeships for ideological purity. It is well known that no federal judicial appointment is made without her imprimatur.”[2]
…more at…
http://www.institutefordemocracy.org/publications.html
And
http://www.idsonline.org/divexecsum.pdf
August 3rd, 2005 at 2:59 pmI haven’t read that article, Nico. But maybe you have read this one.
The Federalist Society
The Conservative Cabal That’s Transforming American Law
By Jerry Landay
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2000/0003.landay.html
And this:
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2000/0003.landay.provocation.html
And we all know about this:
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2000/0003.conasonlyons.html
August 3rd, 2005 at 3:05 pmFascismBreedsIgnorance,
Still over spouting lies and rhetoric? Has china been using those Barbie Computers to make more nuclear weapons? You do realize that the Barbie PC is a super computer under the law that clinton changed that you say allowed China to build nuclear weapons. Wow, if China can build nuclear weapons on a barbie PC, I’m not sure why you think anything Clinton did would have stopped them? You’re such a moron!
August 3rd, 2005 at 3:12 pmHere is yet another example of how desparate the Left has become to stonewall this nomination. They have lost all their power to stop him and don’t know what to do next. Roberts is a conservative and he will be confirmed. Get over it. Next time win the election so your side can appoint the next judge.
August 3rd, 2005 at 3:13 pmThe federalist society is nothing more than a bunch of stupid racist white men (FBA probably fits this description nicely) who long for an america that never existed except in their delusional imaginations!
August 3rd, 2005 at 3:14 pmAlwaysWrong,
We won both 2000 and 2004 elections – but crooks like you don’t care about being ‘right’, you only care about winning, greed, and oppressing facts, truth and those you disagree with. You’re such weak stupid people that you have to stoop to such desperate measures – shame shame!
http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2005/1383
August 3rd, 2005 at 3:15 pmShorter Always Wrong/FOOL/TOOL:
RAAH RAAH! GO TEAM GO!
August 3rd, 2005 at 3:15 pmI’m not FBA, I am a spanner in the works. Read the posts by FBA dated today. I’m a dhimmi!
August 3rd, 2005 at 3:18 pmAlways Ignorant,
Do pom-poms come with membership? Do you do cartwheels and the splits while ranting that crap?
August 3rd, 2005 at 3:18 pmDesperate is spending 50 million dollars of laundered money to sway the Ohio Elections. Desperate is grabbing all major press under 7 major companies, and clamping down, firing and retiring any reporter that has the balls to report the truth. Desperate is outing critical CIA intelligence just to cover up a known lie. Desperate is hiding the right wing Fascist ties of Roberts so that he’s confirmed. Desperate is appointing Bolton off session because he’s too much of an idiot to get confirmation in a CONservatively controlled senate.
You are definitely sitting from a place to talk about ‘desperate’ AlwaysWrong – ironically you’re too stupid to see that from where I sit the desperation appears to be the desperation of stupid old white men who can’t stand to have a fair and just society – and instead who prefer to have a modern day monarchy of the dunces…
August 3rd, 2005 at 3:19 pmSkid,
For Freepers like these creepers they rant crap like it’s verbal diarrhea. This is such unconscious crap for them, their higher brain functions never get engaged. You can flood them with overwhelming facts – and they won’t back down because their psychotic delusions won’t let them. For people with this sort of psychosis – they believe that backing down and acknowledging when they’re wrong would mean instantaneous death to them. No apologies, no ‘failures’, they’re ‘good little boys’ desperately seeking the approval that they feel dad never gave them.
They’re generally pathetic pieces of work with psychologically failed lives – that they must blame ‘others’ (eg. liberals) for their own failures… It’s really sad, and I would have more compassion except for the fact that they are so insistent and making everyone else a part of their sad delusion…
August 3rd, 2005 at 3:23 pmThe campaign should definately be entitled “Swift Boat Veterans for Roberts” and they can get the same veterans who attacked John Kerry to now proclaim that the real hero of the Swift Boat action was in fact JOHN ROBERTS, and that it was JOHN ROBERTS who was the true hero and truly earned those purple hearts. I think that most of the American public would believe it.
August 3rd, 2005 at 3:30 pmRyan,
You are the one who is desparate if you believe that Bush stole both elections. Sorry, I can’t talk to people that don’t live in the real world anymore. Good luck in the next elections, losers!
fyi I voted for Schmitt yesterday, lol
August 3rd, 2005 at 3:33 pmBoy, this must have been on the Karl call list, drew out 3 trolls early, fake, always wrong, and tony. What do you guys get paid to tinkle all over the liberal blog sites?
The Federalist Society, probably have regular toga parties minus women and attend that exclusive camp in California for a week where everyone gets together and compares the size of their Johnsons.
August 3rd, 2005 at 3:48 pm#17 is a perfect example of a snotty little brat.
August 3rd, 2005 at 3:54 pmHoly sh#t!
Junior never makes a mistake…he is…always right.
Always right…IS JUNIOR!!!
August 3rd, 2005 at 3:55 pmwait ’til our fellow citizens figure out their right to privacy has been eliminated.
Of course by then it may be too late.
August 3rd, 2005 at 3:56 pmAlwaysWrong,
Bush lost the popular vote in 2000 nation wide. All major recounts in Florida that occurred after the election showed that Gore would have won if a statewide recount occurred. Tens of thousands of democratic voters in florida were disenfranchised in addition to that.
That’s a stolen election.
You should read the link I sent instead of being a stupid knee jerk fascist. According to the same techniques that the statisticians used in the pentagon to determine the Ukranian election was fraudulent showed that the US election was also fraudulent. The statisical anomolies showed a 1 in 16 million chance that Bush actually won.
While I know you’re deluded because you probably only ‘trust’ faux news – the facts are the facts, and you’re part of an ignorant desperate redneck coup d’etat.
August 3rd, 2005 at 3:58 pmAlwaysWrong – more facts for your weak mind…
Chance that a Republican president has not won the popular vote : 1 in 6 [Jimmy Carter Library & Museum (Atlanta) ]
Chance that a Democratic president has not : 0 [Jimmy Carter Library & Museum (Atlanta) ]
As for the election being stolen,
In the ten states where there were verifiable paper trails–or no electronic machines–the final results hardly differed from the initial exit polls. Exit polls and final counts in Missouri, Louisiana, Maine and Utah, for instance, varied by 1% or less. In non-paper-trail states, however, there were significant differences. Florida saw a shift from Kerry +1% in the exit polls to Bush +5% at evening’s end. In Ohio, Kerry went from +3% to -3%. Other big discrepancies in key states were: Minnesota (from +10% to +4%), New Mexico (+4 to -1), Nevada (+1 to -3), Wisconsin (+7 to +0.4), Colorado (-2 to -5), North Carolina (-4 to -13), Iowa (+1 to -1), New Hampshire (+14 to +1) and Pennsylvania (+8 to +2). Exit polls also had Kerry winning the national popular vote by 3%. (See additional information and weblinks on Professor Steven Freeman’s research in the accompanying article this issue, “Bush Lost” by Margie Burns.)
I know CONservatives are afraid of math and science as it disproves their psychotic and self serving mythology whether it be about evolution, abortion, homosexuality or even elections – but you need therapy to get over that fear of truth, you don’t need a bully platform.
August 3rd, 2005 at 4:07 pmAnd more election shenanigans… Republican zealots always have their head in the sand when facts bash their delusions – but I leave in a world where facts mean something. I have a degree both in economics and mathematics, with an emphasis on statistics – and frankly I can tell you that the election WAS stolen even if the propagandists on the right would prefer you paid no attention to the man behind the curtain…
Republican consultant and Fox News regular Dick Morris wrote after the election, “Exit polls are almost never wrong. They eliminate the two major potential fallacies in survey research by correctly separating actual voters from those who pretend they will cast ballots and by substituting actual observation from guesswork. According to ABC-TV’s exit polls, Kerry was slated to win Florida, Ohio, New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada and Iowa–all of which Bush ultimately carried.”
Center for Research on Globalization’s Michael Keefer (a Professor at the University of Guelph) states, “The National Election Pool’s own data–as transmitted by CNN on the evening of November 2 and the morning of November 3–suggest that the results of the exit polls were themselves fiddled late on November 2, in order to make their numbers conform with the tabulated vote tallies. At 8:50 pm EST, CNN showed Bush leading by a massive 11-point margin and by 9:06 pm, the incumbent had a 9% lead. However, at 9:06 pm, exit polls showed Kerry leading by nearly 3%.”
This 12% gap caused embarrassment at the National Election Pool (NEP), which is the six broadcast networks’ official polling, counting and reporting entity. Keefer continues: “One can surmise that instructions of two sorts were issued. The election-massagers working for Diebold, ES&S and the other suppliers of black box voting machines may have been told to go easy on their manipulations of back-door ‘Democrat-delete’ software. And the number-crunchers at NEP may have been asked to fix up those awkward exit polls. Fix them they did. When the national exit polls were last updated at 1:36 a.m. EST, there was a 5% swing to Bush.”
How do we know the fix was in? Keefer explains, “Because the total number of respondents at 9 pm was well over 13,000 and at 1:36 a.m. it had risen less than 3%–to 13,531 total respondents. Given the small increase in respondents, this 5% swing to Bush is mathematically impossible.”
Keefer adds: “In Florida, the exit polls appear to have been tampered with in a similar manner. At 8:40 pm, exit polls showed a near dead heat but the final exit poll update at 1:01 a.m. gave Bush a 4% lead.” Again, the number of respondents made this swing mathematically impossible–because there were only 16 more respondents in the final tally than in the earlier one. The major TV networks glibly blamed the discrepancies between the original (untampered) exit poll results and the final official tallies on faulty exit polls.
Despite the registration of 20 times more Democratic new voters in Florida than Republican new voters (and 10 times as many in Ohio–as reported in the New York Times), final voting totals nationwide indicated that Bush must have gained 9 million new voters in 2004–to Kerry’s 4 million. One million of those alleged new GOP voter were reported to be in Florida–a highly dubious prospect.
It is not credible that Bush could have legitimately won the 2004 election. Kerry’s victory was predicted by previously extremely accurate Harris and Zogby exit polls, by the formerly infallible 50% Rule (an incumbent with less than 50% in the exit polls always loses (Bush had 47%–requiring him to capture an improbable 80% of the undecideds to win) and by the Incumbent Rule (undecideds break for the challenger, as exit polls showed they did by a large margin this time). Nor is it credible that the surge in new young voters–who were witnessed standing in lines for hours, on campuses nationwide–miraculously didn’t appear in the final totals; that Kerry did worse than Gore against an opponent who lost support and that exit polls were highly accurate wherever there was a paper trail and grossly “underestimated” Bush’s appeal wherever there was no such guarantee of accurate recounts. Statisticians point out that Bush beat 99 to 1 mathematical odds in winning the election.
August 3rd, 2005 at 4:11 pmZogby pollster Colin Shea, after thoroughly testing the discrepancies between total registration, turnout, party registration and the official tallies in Florida and Ohio, concluded, “The facts defy all logical explanations save one: massive and systematic voter fraud. We cannot accept the result of the 2004 presidential election as legitimate until these discrepancies are rigorously and completely explained. Until then, George Bush’s shameful legacy will have been that of seizing power through two illegitimate elections conducted on his brother’s watch, and engineering a fundamental corruption at the heart of the greatest democracy the world has known.”
Ryan,
There have been numerous studies to show that had the recount been allowed to continue, Bush would have still won. Liberals still need to get over the 2000 election. Bush won. I know you can’t believe it, but
it is true. Here is a sample:
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/florida.ballots/stories/main.html
August 3rd, 2005 at 4:26 pmA Kooky Kount
The meaninglessness of the Florida recount.
November 14, 2001 4:40 p.m.
ow precise was the major-media recount of 175,010 rejected ballots from last year’s presidential race in Florida? Consider some of the factors that played a role in the final product.
The National Opinion Research Center, which conducted the study for the New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, and other media organizations, hired 153 “coders” to examine the disqualified ballots. NORC asked the coders if they viewed themselves as Republicans, Democrats, or independents. Thirty percent said Republican, 36 percent said Democrat, and 30 percent said independent. As it turned out, according to NORC, self-identified Republican coders were more likely than Democrats to see a vote for George W. Bush. Self-identified Democratic coders were more likely than Republicans to see a vote for Al Gore.
It also mattered whether a ballot was examined by a man or a woman. “The odds of a coder seeing a mark for Bush were somewhat higher for male coders than for female coders,” says Kirk Wolter, the NORC statistician who oversaw the effort. The same was true for Gore. “The odds of seeing any mark at all for Al Gore were also somewhat higher for male coders than female coders,” Wolter says.
Aside from those differences, there were simple differences of opinion among the teams of three coders who examined each ballot. Studying the results, the Washington Post wrote, “When researchers from the National Opinion Research Center looked at a ballot, especially a punch card, they did not always see the same thing. For every two ballots on which the researchers unanimously saw a potential vote for Bush or Gore, there was another ballot on which someone saw a vote for Bush or Gore and someone else didn’t.”
In other words, in one out of every three ballots which contained a discernible marking, the three coders couldn’t agree on what it was.
The coders were also hindered, Wolter says, by not being allowed to actually touch the ballots. In the study, the ballots were handled by local elections officials (as they were in the actual recounts last November and December). The coders were just allowed to look at a ballot that someone else was holding. “Our view of dimples was less reliable, perhaps, than a canvassing board’s view of dimples,” Wolter says.
Take all that together  disagreements on a significant number of ballots, differences traceable to party affiliation and gender, and less-than-ideal study conditions  and you have a recount that is simply not precise enough to come up with exact vote totals in a race as close as the 2000 presidential election.
Using the raw data supplied by NORC, the Washington Post came up with scenarios in which Bush won by 225 votes, 430 votes, and 493 votes. The paper also came up with scenarios in which Gore won by 60 votes, 107 votes, 115 votes, and 171 votes. But the number of ballots about which coders disagreed, or which were affected by some sort of coder bias, was far greater than any of the vote margins in any of the media scenarios.
Which means that Gore partisans who claim the recount proves Al Gore actually won Florida are wrong. It also means that Bush partisans who claim the recount proves George W. Bush actually won Florida are wrong. What the media recount proves is that the election procedure in place in Florida in November 2000 was actually pretty good: Count the votes by machine on election night. Count them by machine again if the margin is close. Declare a winner, with a tightly limited time for the loser to contest the results. When that time is over, certify the winner and close the books. Don’t change the rules after the fact  and don’t go off on a wild goose chase for a level of certitude that cannot be achieved in a 6,000,000-vote election. Though that’s certainly not what they intended, the media recounters proved it can’t be done.
August 3rd, 2005 at 4:30 pmDel,
Once again you’re printing propaganda lies that are not based in facts. Your side is great a propaganda, and horrible at telling the truth. We should start calling republicans the Pinocchio party – the party that ‘wants’ to have values, but never seems to have any good ones.
http://archive.democrats.com/display.cfm?id=181
August 3rd, 2005 at 4:38 pmThere are two great quotes that demonstrate how your right wing fascist brothers turn truth into lying propaganda no matter whether it’s the 9/11 commission or the 2000 election.
Read the data – I have a math degree, if you actually believe their distorted analysis either you never reviewed their own data, or you’re a blithering idiot you can’t add!
“The Media Consortium hired the National Opinion Research Center to examine 175,010 ballots that were never counted in Florida. The investigation took 8 months and cost $900,000. No matter what standard for judging ballots is applied, Gore wins.”
“Unfortunately, the members of the Media Consortium insisted on distorting the analysis of their own clear data (see “Spin Control” below).”
August 3rd, 2005 at 4:40 pmI can no longer be a part of this post – none of you are willing to accept the truth. Well, I guess thats good news for our side since you seem to have no game plan to win back the White House or either house of congress. Have a nice life!
August 3rd, 2005 at 4:45 pmDel,
Truth – what do you know about truth? You won’t stay because I’m shattering the delusions you so desperately cling do. The RAW DATA is available from florida 2000 – go see for yourself! But like most CONservatives you are too lazy, greedy and delusional to actually go seek the truth. You prefer to be spoon fed a lie that’s ‘confortable’ for you.
Grow up!
August 3rd, 2005 at 5:03 pmThese people envision a society in which everyone simply loves government, never speaks his/her mind about anything government does so as to cause action and a time and place where Mom is home all day making cookies for her totally straight children who will never do drugs, play with children of other ethnicities or ever have an opinion other than the ones they get from their leaders.
It is called hegemony. Fight the power NOW~!
August 3rd, 2005 at 5:03 pmDel you ignorant lying slut!
You promised to leave this site, yet I see you’ve posted again on a new thread! How typical or republican apologists! Lies to you are only lies if they are told by democrats & then they are worthy of impeachment no matter what!
August 3rd, 2005 at 5:11 pmHey Democrats, why don’t you go give some more money to Air America? Oh wait, it’s not their money, it belongs to kids in the Bronx!
August 3rd, 2005 at 5:20 pmThe CONservatives are all such crooks, and they always post stupid tangential and irrelevant information like ‘None’…
You’d think they would be concerned about a judicial candidate that doesn’t believe in equal protection or civil liberties protections for americans – but like most CONservatives, they only care about hate, strife and greed. Sad little worms – one and all…
August 3rd, 2005 at 5:27 pmWatching you folks (especially Ryan Neat) slam each other with garbage information about the racial and gender makeup of the Federalist Society is…really funny. For a guy who really can’t afford cable, you are a great substitute for Comedy Central.
Meanwhile, I’m reminded of this thought: arguing on a blog is like competing in the Special Olympics…even if you win you’re still retarded.
Keep it up!
August 3rd, 2005 at 5:31 pmRFLMAO,
Well if the federalist society is so diverse, why was it so difficult for Bush to find another woman/minority to sit on the court? Take that short bus home before you get in trouble with your mamma…
August 3rd, 2005 at 5:41 pmAnd RFLMAO,
The federalist society keeps its membership rolls secret, so unless you’re part of the inner group that has access to this information – then like most CONservatives you’re talking out of your ass.
So do tell, share with us the great demographic diversity that is the federalist society. What percentage of it’s leadership is minority? What percentage of its leadership is non-christian (and or non-jewish). How diverse is this great inclusive secret organization? And if it’s such an honest organization, why such a need for secrecy?
August 3rd, 2005 at 5:43 pmComedy Central has some great programming, let alone the most truthful news show on cable, even if it is “fake” (what does that tell you?), so thanks RFLMAO.
August 3rd, 2005 at 5:44 pmGeez, its America, who needs openess and racial/gender diversity, right RFLMAOist?
August 3rd, 2005 at 5:46 pmSo it looks like none of the liberals on this site are going to counter Air America’s personal loan courtesy of children in the Bronx…because they CAN’T!
August 3rd, 2005 at 5:51 pmNone,
You’re off topic, your information is irrelevant, and frankly I don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. While we’re onto subsidies, why is our military subsidizing rush limbaugh – and allowing his smearing lies to be carried to american troops? That draft dodging traitor has no place on military radio – and he has no right to be subsized in his propagandist efforts.
August 3rd, 2005 at 6:02 pmNone,
I finally found the story you’re talking about. According to what I read, while Air America wasn’t aware that the loan had been made without proper approval – it’s a ‘loan’ and not a grant and they are already paying it back. If anyone did something illegal – those people should pay the consequences for those illegal actions.
But as I understand the law, if Air America received a loan and didn’t realize the money wasn’t the right of the person to grant it – then frankly they did nothing wrong. And as I read the issue despite the fact that the current owners of Air America Radio have no obligation to the business activies of the previous owners – they still agreed to pay back the money (something a CONservative would never have had the morals to do).
You’re making a mountain out of a mole hill, but in light of Limbaugh’s illegal appropriate of mass quantities of illegal drugs – I can see why you would feel the need to attack air america. In fact from where I see, their willingness to do the right thing despite the fact that they’re on the correct legal footing to not have to shows the true difference between CONservatives and liberals. Enron’s still fighting in court all of the scams the perpretrated on california illegally and are fighting to keep their ill gotten gain! If anything you’ve done a great service in pointing out how morally bankrupt CONservatives are!
August 3rd, 2005 at 6:10 pmDeny, deny, deny…isn’t it time for you guys to go slaughter some infants by stabbing it through the head and exorcising its brain? Oh excuse me, that’s called CHOICE.
August 3rd, 2005 at 6:25 pmRFLMAO – sorry you can’t afford cable. Got one of those great jobs that Bush boasts of?
August 3rd, 2005 at 6:37 pmNone,
Infants aren’t killed by ‘choice’ that’s what happens to a fetus. But that would require you have a 3rd grade level of science to understand – so that explains why you’re too mentally crippled to get it.
A fetus doesn’t even show any human brain wave patterns until the 28th week, and doesn’t show consistent patterns until the 32nd week. Before then a fetus is no more of a baby than Terri Schiavo was a woman. And 3rd term ‘abortions’ are already regulated as rightly they should be as a pre-mature baby. Just because I can take skin cells (or even brain cells) from you and put them in a petri dish, doesn’t make the cells in that dish a human. If you can’t distinguish the different between human cells, and a human being – then you need to get back on that short bus and go home!
The abortion issue is a non-issue for anyone with a minimal scientific understanding – thanks for showing exactly HOW stupid you actually are.
August 3rd, 2005 at 6:42 pmNone, I was going to tell you about Air America but #41, Ryan, beat me to it and did a better job than I.
August 3rd, 2005 at 6:42 pmFrom the comments I’ve been reading about Air America -to quote Shakespeare “Methinks thou dost protest too much” – I think you Repugs might be getting a little worried. You can’t compare Limbaugh and O’Reilly fact-free opinion to the “news” on Franken and Schultz.
Marie,
When you compare what I see as illegal and unethical funding of the ‘press’ by pharmaceutical, oil and political interests – thereby illegally swaying the ‘news’ and ‘discourse’, this stuff is just nonsense on their part. The pharmaceutical industry got ABC to squash what is CONCLUSIVE evidence that autism was caused by a ‘mercury’ preservative (thermasol I believe) in vaccinations! This is concrete evidence that was intentionally squashed because it was ‘embarrassing’ for the administration and the pharmaceutical industry! How sick is that!
August 3rd, 2005 at 6:45 pmMarie,
I mean when ‘they’ compare – that read wrong, sorry for the confusion. It’s been a uber busy day, and I’m typing too fast when I post :(
August 3rd, 2005 at 6:59 pmCalling a baby a “fetus” is one of the many ways liberals try to disguise what something really is. So if brain waves aren’t showing up yet, as you erroneously claim, its OK to do away with it. Does that mean it can’t feel pain??? Don’t think so, kiddos. So if someone, adult or child, becomes brain-dead, can I shoot them and call it a choice? They don’t have any brain waves!
August 3rd, 2005 at 7:02 pmActually it’s only a ‘baby’ when it has brain waves, that’s why ‘fetus’ is used – unless you’d like to call your skin cells a baby, because they have about as much in common.
Liberals call it a fetus because we care about facts, accuracy and scientific truth. CONservatives call it a baby because the prefer dogma, lies, deception, proganda and subjegation of those who have a rational mind.
Wow, you sure are showing your remedial education. Pain responses are not part of a human brain – they’re in the reptile brain that we inherited through evolution (see there I go with more science – no wonder a rube like you has such a hard time with these topics). The clinical definition for death is no more alpha waves – which are the higher brain waves that are conscious thought. Without those waves – you have Terri Schiavo – human cells, but not a human being.
As for ’shooting them off’, well families do that on a daily basis – and in fact Tom Delay made exactly that decision for his father. This is both the reality of science – and also the reality of human existence. The fact that you are illiterate of this does not give you the right to pass on that illiteracy as facts. Get educated, get a clue, or shut up.
August 3rd, 2005 at 7:14 pmMcClellan: “If anyone in this administration was involved in it [the improper disclosure of an undercover CIA operative's identity], they would no longer be in this administration.”
Bush: “If somebody did leak classified information, I’d like to know it, and we’ll take the appropriate action.”
August 3rd, 2005 at 7:27 pmInvolved in it, and convicted of a crime are quite different standards…
It’s clear Rove WAS involved in it – the evidence is already in the public domain. The fact you so comfortably defend a traitor to national security is disgraceful! Shame on you!
August 3rd, 2005 at 7:29 pmByron York is a hunk! I would slobber on his knob for a week!
August 3rd, 2005 at 9:53 pmAir America Radio are fascist baby killers! They have ritualistic satanic sacrifices of infant mothers and virgin baby births! They do this before evey broadcast! Al Franken is the Evil Heirophant of this satan worshipping kult! I have photos. Byron York showed them to me! He’s my hero! He was in an orange speedo!
August 3rd, 2005 at 10:14 pmI smell good!
August 3rd, 2005 at 10:23 pmDel,
Gets some meds – you’re a wierd freak…
August 4th, 2005 at 2:16 amNotice how the trolls always try to change the topics of discussions that show republicans in a horrible light.
Trolls, I guess you think you are fighting the good fight. Your souls are hollow and very ugly. I don’t feel sorry for you. I don’t even pity you because you have made the choice to be willfully ignorant.
It’s amazing. bushco is like a 3 card monte dealer over and over. I mean really, how many bridges are you going to “buy” before you see you’re being taken to the cleaners by a con man? Unfortunately for the rest of us, you see the results of your draft dodging, coke snorting alcoholic leader and you turn around and blame liberals for the problems your boys have caused. Delusional.
August 4th, 2005 at 10:16 amDel Smells great! I do his laundry! I sniff his shorts before and after each load!
August 4th, 2005 at 3:15 pm