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		<title>By: grandpa stole bets</title>
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		<dc:creator>grandpa stole bets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Nov 2005 23:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Program on the emergence of civilization. 

&quot;14 species of large animals capable of domesitcation in the history of mankind. 
13 from Europe, Asia and northern Africa.
None from the sub-Saharan African continent. &quot; 
Favor. 
And disfavor. 

They point out Africansâ€™ failed attempts to domesticate the elephant and zebra, the latter being an animal they illustrate that had utmost importance for it&#039;s applicability in transformation from a hunting/gathering to agrarian-based civilization. 

The roots of racism are not of this earth. 

Austrailia, aboriginals:::No domesticable animals.

The North American continent had none.  Now 99% of that population is gone.

AIDS in Africa.


Organizational Heirarchy
Heirarchical order, from top to bottom: 

1. MUCK - perhaps have experienced multiple universal contractions (have seen multiple big bangs), creator of the artificial intelligence humans ignorantly refer to as &quot;god&quot; 
2. Perhaps some mid-level alien management 
3. Evil/disfavored aliens - runs day-to-day operations here and perhaps elsewhere

Terrestrial management: 

4. Chinese/egyptians - this may be separated into the eastern and western worlds 
5. Romans - they answer to the egyptians 
6. Mafia - the real-world 20th century interface that constantly turns over generationally so as to reinforce the widely-held notion of mortality 
7. Jews, corporation, women, politician - Evidence exisits to suggest mafia management over all these groups. 


Movies foreshadowing catastrophy
1985 James Bond View to a Kill  1989 San Francisco Loma Prieta earthquake.


They can affect the weather and Hurricane Katrina was accomplished for many reasons and involves many interests, as anything this historical is::
1. Take heat off Sheenhan/Iraq, protecting profitable war machine/private war contracts
2. Gentrification.  New Orleans median home price of $84k is among the lowest in major American cities, certainly among desirable cities.


Our society gives clues to the system in place. We all have heard the saying &quot;He has more money than god.&quot; There is also an episode of the Simpsons where god meets Homer and says &quot;I&#039;m too old and rich for this.&quot;

This is the system on earth because this is the system everywhere.

I don&#039;t want to suggest the upper eschelons are evil and good is the fringe. 

But they have made it abundantly clear that doing business with evil (disfavored) won&#039;t help people. They say only good would have the ear, since evil is struggling for survival, and therefore only the favored could help.

The clues are there which companies are favored and which are disfavored, but they conceal it very hard because it is so crucial. 

I offer an example of historical proportions:::
 
People point to Walmart and cry &quot;anti-union&quot;.
Unions enable disfavored people to live satisfactorly without addressing their disfavor. This way their family&#039;s problems are never resolved. Without the union they would have to accept the heirarchy, their own inferiority. 
Unions serve to empower.
Walmart is anti-union because they are good. They try to help people address and resolve their problems by creating an enviornment where there are fewer hurdles.  

Media ridicule and lawsuits are creations to reinforce people&#039;s belief that Walmart is evil in a subsegment of the indistry dominated by the middle and lower classes.
Low-cost disfavored Chinese labor is utilized by corporate america to maximize margins.  They all do it.  Only WalMart gets fingered because they are the ones who help, and those who seek to create confusion in the marketplace want to eliminate the vast middle class who have a real chance and instead stick with lower classes who may not work otherwise.  So they dirty him up while allowing the others to appear clean.

The middle class is being deceived.  They are being misled into the unfavored, and subsequently will have no assistance from their purchases with corporate america.

I believe the coining of the term &quot;Uncle Sam&quot; was a clue alluding to just this::Sam Walton and WalMart is one of few saviors of the peasant class.


Amercia is a country of castoffs, rejects.  Italy sent its criminals. Malcontents.
Between the thrones, the klans and kindred, they &quot;decided&quot; who they didn&#039;t want and acted, creating discontent and/or starvation.
The u.s. is full of disfavored rejects.  It is the reason for the myriad of problems not found in European countries.  As far as the Rockafellers and other industrialists of the 19th century go, I suspect these aren&#039;t their real names.  I suspect they were chosen to go and head this new empire.

Royalty is the right way to organize a society.  Dictatorships and monarchies are a reflection of the antient&#039;s hierarchical organization.
Positions go to those who have favor with the rulers, as opposed to being elected.
Elections bring a false sense of how the world is.  Democracy misleads people.
Which is why the disfavored rejects were sent to the shores of America::To keep them on the wrong path.


Jesus Christ is a religious figure of evil.  These seperatist churches formed so they could still capture the rest of the white people,  keeping them worshipping the wrong god.
And now they do it to people of color, Latinos and Asians, after centuries of preying upon them.  

Simpson&#039;s foreshadowing::Helloween IV special, Flanders is Satan. &quot;Last one you ever suspect.&quot;
&quot;You&#039;ll see lots of nuns where you&#039;re going:::hell!!!&quot;  St. Wigham, Helloween VI, missionary work, destroying cultures.
Over and over, the Simpsons was a source of education and enlightenment, a target of ridicule by the system which wishes to conceal its secrets.

Since Buddism doesn&#039;t recongnize a god, the calls are never heard, and Chinese representation is instead selected by the thrones.
Budda was the Asian&#039;s Jesus Christ::: bad for the people.  &quot;They came up at the same time for a reason.&quot;

Jews maim the body formed in the image of &quot;god&quot;, and inflicted circumsision upon all other white people, as well as the evil that is Jesus Christ.  
I think about how Jews (were used to) created homosexuality among Slavics, retribution for the Holocaust.
Then I think of the Catholic Church and its troubles.
What connection is here between Jews and the Catholic church???
If it is their sinister motives thatâ€™s behind the evil that is Jesus Christ are they being used at all?
Perhaps it is them who are pulling strings.
Their bondage in Egypt proves their disfavor.  The Jew leaders decided to prey on the up-and-coming Europeans to try to fix their problems with the ruling elite, a recurring aspect of their methodology.


I believe Islam is the one true religion, and those misled christians who attack &quot;god&quot;&#039;s most favored people will pay dearly one day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Program on the emergence of civilization. </p>
<p>&#8220;14 species of large animals capable of domesitcation in the history of mankind.<br />
13 from Europe, Asia and northern Africa.<br />
None from the sub-Saharan African continent. &#8221;<br />
Favor.<br />
And disfavor. </p>
<p>They point out Africansâ€™ failed attempts to domesticate the elephant and zebra, the latter being an animal they illustrate that had utmost importance for it&#8217;s applicability in transformation from a hunting/gathering to agrarian-based civilization. </p>
<p>The roots of racism are not of this earth. </p>
<p>Austrailia, aboriginals:::No domesticable animals.</p>
<p>The North American continent had none.  Now 99% of that population is gone.</p>
<p>AIDS in Africa.</p>
<p>Organizational Heirarchy<br />
Heirarchical order, from top to bottom: </p>
<p>1. MUCK &#8211; perhaps have experienced multiple universal contractions (have seen multiple big bangs), creator of the artificial intelligence humans ignorantly refer to as &#8220;god&#8221;<br />
2. Perhaps some mid-level alien management<br />
3. Evil/disfavored aliens &#8211; runs day-to-day operations here and perhaps elsewhere</p>
<p>Terrestrial management: </p>
<p>4. Chinese/egyptians &#8211; this may be separated into the eastern and western worlds<br />
5. Romans &#8211; they answer to the egyptians<br />
6. Mafia &#8211; the real-world 20th century interface that constantly turns over generationally so as to reinforce the widely-held notion of mortality<br />
7. Jews, corporation, women, politician &#8211; Evidence exisits to suggest mafia management over all these groups. </p>
<p>Movies foreshadowing catastrophy<br />
1985 James Bond View to a Kill  1989 San Francisco Loma Prieta earthquake.</p>
<p>They can affect the weather and Hurricane Katrina was accomplished for many reasons and involves many interests, as anything this historical is::<br />
1. Take heat off Sheenhan/Iraq, protecting profitable war machine/private war contracts<br />
2. Gentrification.  New Orleans median home price of $84k is among the lowest in major American cities, certainly among desirable cities.</p>
<p>Our society gives clues to the system in place. We all have heard the saying &#8220;He has more money than god.&#8221; There is also an episode of the Simpsons where god meets Homer and says &#8220;I&#8217;m too old and rich for this.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is the system on earth because this is the system everywhere.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to suggest the upper eschelons are evil and good is the fringe. </p>
<p>But they have made it abundantly clear that doing business with evil (disfavored) won&#8217;t help people. They say only good would have the ear, since evil is struggling for survival, and therefore only the favored could help.</p>
<p>The clues are there which companies are favored and which are disfavored, but they conceal it very hard because it is so crucial. </p>
<p>I offer an example of historical proportions:::</p>
<p>People point to Walmart and cry &#8220;anti-union&#8221;.<br />
Unions enable disfavored people to live satisfactorly without addressing their disfavor. This way their family&#8217;s problems are never resolved. Without the union they would have to accept the heirarchy, their own inferiority.<br />
Unions serve to empower.<br />
Walmart is anti-union because they are good. They try to help people address and resolve their problems by creating an enviornment where there are fewer hurdles.  </p>
<p>Media ridicule and lawsuits are creations to reinforce people&#8217;s belief that Walmart is evil in a subsegment of the indistry dominated by the middle and lower classes.<br />
Low-cost disfavored Chinese labor is utilized by corporate america to maximize margins.  They all do it.  Only WalMart gets fingered because they are the ones who help, and those who seek to create confusion in the marketplace want to eliminate the vast middle class who have a real chance and instead stick with lower classes who may not work otherwise.  So they dirty him up while allowing the others to appear clean.</p>
<p>The middle class is being deceived.  They are being misled into the unfavored, and subsequently will have no assistance from their purchases with corporate america.</p>
<p>I believe the coining of the term &#8220;Uncle Sam&#8221; was a clue alluding to just this::Sam Walton and WalMart is one of few saviors of the peasant class.</p>
<p>Amercia is a country of castoffs, rejects.  Italy sent its criminals. Malcontents.<br />
Between the thrones, the klans and kindred, they &#8220;decided&#8221; who they didn&#8217;t want and acted, creating discontent and/or starvation.<br />
The u.s. is full of disfavored rejects.  It is the reason for the myriad of problems not found in European countries.  As far as the Rockafellers and other industrialists of the 19th century go, I suspect these aren&#8217;t their real names.  I suspect they were chosen to go and head this new empire.</p>
<p>Royalty is the right way to organize a society.  Dictatorships and monarchies are a reflection of the antient&#8217;s hierarchical organization.<br />
Positions go to those who have favor with the rulers, as opposed to being elected.<br />
Elections bring a false sense of how the world is.  Democracy misleads people.<br />
Which is why the disfavored rejects were sent to the shores of America::To keep them on the wrong path.</p>
<p>Jesus Christ is a religious figure of evil.  These seperatist churches formed so they could still capture the rest of the white people,  keeping them worshipping the wrong god.<br />
And now they do it to people of color, Latinos and Asians, after centuries of preying upon them.  </p>
<p>Simpson&#8217;s foreshadowing::Helloween IV special, Flanders is Satan. &#8220;Last one you ever suspect.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;You&#8217;ll see lots of nuns where you&#8217;re going:::hell!!!&#8221;  St. Wigham, Helloween VI, missionary work, destroying cultures.<br />
Over and over, the Simpsons was a source of education and enlightenment, a target of ridicule by the system which wishes to conceal its secrets.</p>
<p>Since Buddism doesn&#8217;t recongnize a god, the calls are never heard, and Chinese representation is instead selected by the thrones.<br />
Budda was the Asian&#8217;s Jesus Christ::: bad for the people.  &#8220;They came up at the same time for a reason.&#8221;</p>
<p>Jews maim the body formed in the image of &#8220;god&#8221;, and inflicted circumsision upon all other white people, as well as the evil that is Jesus Christ.<br />
I think about how Jews (were used to) created homosexuality among Slavics, retribution for the Holocaust.<br />
Then I think of the Catholic Church and its troubles.<br />
What connection is here between Jews and the Catholic church???<br />
If it is their sinister motives thatâ€™s behind the evil that is Jesus Christ are they being used at all?<br />
Perhaps it is them who are pulling strings.<br />
Their bondage in Egypt proves their disfavor.  The Jew leaders decided to prey on the up-and-coming Europeans to try to fix their problems with the ruling elite, a recurring aspect of their methodology.</p>
<p>I believe Islam is the one true religion, and those misled christians who attack &#8220;god&#8221;&#8217;s most favored people will pay dearly one day.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=235028', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: fish</title>
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		<dc:creator>fish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2005 17:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cant think for myself. need someone to think for me. i have no personality, im just an empty shell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cant think for myself. need someone to think for me. i have no personality, im just an empty shell.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=89058', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: fish</title>
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		<dc:creator>fish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2005 17:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://babypartstrafficking.org/

***See how the libs are making a killing off of killing.***</description>
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<p>***See how the libs are making a killing off of killing.***<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=89057', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Think Progress &#187;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Think Progress &#187;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2005 15:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Woodchuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woodchuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2005 04:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So your answer is you feel nothing for that life?

What about 6 months? 9 Months? At what point do people like you grow a conscience? People with your attitude is what I consider unbelievable.&quot;

How about 20 years? How could it be that it&#039;s wrong to end the existance of a 3 mo old fetus but acceptable to send a young adult off to fight for a lie?

Riddle me this, Batman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So your answer is you feel nothing for that life?</p>
<p>What about 6 months? 9 Months? At what point do people like you grow a conscience? People with your attitude is what I consider unbelievable.&#8221;</p>
<p>How about 20 years? How could it be that it&#8217;s wrong to end the existance of a 3 mo old fetus but acceptable to send a young adult off to fight for a lie?</p>
<p>Riddle me this, Batman.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=87657', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: fake but accurate</title>
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		<dc:creator>fake but accurate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2005 04:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>adoption files, oooops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>adoption files, oooops.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=87176', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: fake but accurate</title>
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		<dc:creator>fake but accurate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2005 04:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You, or any other Republicon or conservacrat, are the last person here who should be attempting to occupy the moral high ground on any point. It will be another 1000 years before the lunatic fringies like you ever get this close to driving the bus over the cliff again. 

Comment by Shoeless Joe Stalin 

So kerry bringing up Cheney&#039;s kid is OK, the swarming on that Jeff Gannon guy is OK, but someone who outs himself, argues over a subject that could not involve him, makes ridiculous assertions that are just wrong cannot be called on it? As for the thousand year comment, you guys tried that last century, your Reich will always fail, even when you replace the swastika with a happy face. And your holocaust of the unborn will end soon. By the way what in the world was the NYT looking to open the abortion files on John Roberts kids for? Do you people have a once of decency? It&#039;s telling you named yourself after the worst mass murderer of the 20th century, then try to lecture me about morals. Leftists like Stalin and Hitler had more in common than you are willing to acknowledge, but it never changes the facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You, or any other Republicon or conservacrat, are the last person here who should be attempting to occupy the moral high ground on any point. It will be another 1000 years before the lunatic fringies like you ever get this close to driving the bus over the cliff again. </p>
<p>Comment by Shoeless Joe Stalin </p>
<p>So kerry bringing up Cheney&#8217;s kid is OK, the swarming on that Jeff Gannon guy is OK, but someone who outs himself, argues over a subject that could not involve him, makes ridiculous assertions that are just wrong cannot be called on it? As for the thousand year comment, you guys tried that last century, your Reich will always fail, even when you replace the swastika with a happy face. And your holocaust of the unborn will end soon. By the way what in the world was the NYT looking to open the abortion files on John Roberts kids for? Do you people have a once of decency? It&#8217;s telling you named yourself after the worst mass murderer of the 20th century, then try to lecture me about morals. Leftists like Stalin and Hitler had more in common than you are willing to acknowledge, but it never changes the facts.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=87175', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: MisterB</title>
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		<dc:creator>MisterB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2005 02:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rik,

So your answer is you feel nothing for that life?

What about 6 months? 9 Months? At what point do people like you grow a conscience? People with your attitude is what I consider unbelievable.

Your other points are also incorrect. They are alive. they can live,(albeit a short time) outside the womb.

Have a look, if you dare, at what a HUMAN BEING looks like at 9weeks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rik,</p>
<p>So your answer is you feel nothing for that life?</p>
<p>What about 6 months? 9 Months? At what point do people like you grow a conscience? People with your attitude is what I consider unbelievable.</p>
<p>Your other points are also incorrect. They are alive. they can live,(albeit a short time) outside the womb.</p>
<p>Have a look, if you dare, at what a HUMAN BEING looks like at 9weeks.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=87106', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Rik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2005 00:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow misterb, that&#039;s so far off the mark it&#039;s ubleievable. How would a foetus survive in a trash can when they can&#039;t survive outside the mother. Anyways abortion takes place at the embryonic stage. 

So back in the real world (and back on topic), could there be a good reason for Novak&#039;s walk off, like stress, or is it that he wanted to avoid the question?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow misterb, that&#8217;s so far off the mark it&#8217;s ubleievable. How would a foetus survive in a trash can when they can&#8217;t survive outside the mother. Anyways abortion takes place at the embryonic stage. </p>
<p>So back in the real world (and back on topic), could there be a good reason for Novak&#8217;s walk off, like stress, or is it that he wanted to avoid the question?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=87042', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: MisterB</title>
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		<dc:creator>MisterB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2005 21:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How did the discussion devolve into an abortion issue?
Well, here come my 2 cents anyway.

Look at the picture of the 3-month-old fetus and ask yourself, &quot;could I bring myself to cut its head off?Ã¢â‚¬?

Would it be ok for abortion clinics to sell them for spare parts or testing?

How would you feel if you came across this tiny fetus, squirming in a trashcan - its tiny hands reaching out, its mouth open, obviously alive and suffering? Would you shut the lid, walk away and try to forget about it. Would you feel anything?

Deep in your heart, you KNOW its wrong Ã¢â‚¬â€œ if you have a heart!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How did the discussion devolve into an abortion issue?<br />
Well, here come my 2 cents anyway.</p>
<p>Look at the picture of the 3-month-old fetus and ask yourself, &#8220;could I bring myself to cut its head off?Ã¢â‚¬?</p>
<p>Would it be ok for abortion clinics to sell them for spare parts or testing?</p>
<p>How would you feel if you came across this tiny fetus, squirming in a trashcan &#8211; its tiny hands reaching out, its mouth open, obviously alive and suffering? Would you shut the lid, walk away and try to forget about it. Would you feel anything?</p>
<p>Deep in your heart, you KNOW its wrong Ã¢â‚¬â€œ if you have a heart!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=86990', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Shoeless Joe Stalin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shoeless Joe Stalin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2005 21:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;but ask yourself, is it really ok to bring sexual orientation into arguments only if you are dhimmicrat?&lt;/em&gt;


You, or any other Republicon or conservacrat, are the last person here who should be attempting to occupy the moral high ground on any point. It will be another 1000 years before the lunatic fringies like you ever get this close to driving the bus over the cliff again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>but ask yourself, is it really ok to bring sexual orientation into arguments only if you are dhimmicrat?</em></p>
<p>You, or any other Republicon or conservacrat, are the last person here who should be attempting to occupy the moral high ground on any point. It will be another 1000 years before the lunatic fringies like you ever get this close to driving the bus over the cliff again.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=86974', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: fake but accurate</title>
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		<dc:creator>fake but accurate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2005 19:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rik Ã¢â‚¬â€Usually because theyÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ve been unable to aquire real forms eg. Condoms (probably becasue of uberchristian parents), and this is wrong.

who can&#039;t get condoms? They are sold or given away all across the country. But if you can&#039;t get a condom, do you have self control? 

Gay blade, ryan made the statement, I really don&#039;t care how you live your life, but ask yourself, is it really ok to bring sexual orientation into arguments only if you are dhimmicrat? It would seem outing gay conservatives would be the same as liberals, but I guess that would make to much sense. Do you think women don&#039;t die from legal abortions, think again.

That&#039;s what I thought ryan, your definition is yours alone. You think you get to decide what makes a human a human and the definition of fetus and baby, but you do not. Like I said, you lost this argument long ago, at least now you realize it. Now to the women or girls who try to defend ryan by fantasizing we are trying to take away your rights, you have the right to choose to get pregnant or not and if abortionists cared about rape victims they would report children who come into their clinics as victims of rape but they do not, it&#039;s the right to kill your child I have a problem with. Most men who defend abortion do so because it&#039;s a way to leave all the responsibility of pregnancy up to you. It&#039;s your choice, so you are the one with the karmic baggage from the murder of your unborn child, they get to walk away unscathed, or so they think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rik Ã¢â‚¬â€Usually because theyÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ve been unable to aquire real forms eg. Condoms (probably becasue of uberchristian parents), and this is wrong.</p>
<p>who can&#8217;t get condoms? They are sold or given away all across the country. But if you can&#8217;t get a condom, do you have self control? </p>
<p>Gay blade, ryan made the statement, I really don&#8217;t care how you live your life, but ask yourself, is it really ok to bring sexual orientation into arguments only if you are dhimmicrat? It would seem outing gay conservatives would be the same as liberals, but I guess that would make to much sense. Do you think women don&#8217;t die from legal abortions, think again.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what I thought ryan, your definition is yours alone. You think you get to decide what makes a human a human and the definition of fetus and baby, but you do not. Like I said, you lost this argument long ago, at least now you realize it. Now to the women or girls who try to defend ryan by fantasizing we are trying to take away your rights, you have the right to choose to get pregnant or not and if abortionists cared about rape victims they would report children who come into their clinics as victims of rape but they do not, it&#8217;s the right to kill your child I have a problem with. Most men who defend abortion do so because it&#8217;s a way to leave all the responsibility of pregnancy up to you. It&#8217;s your choice, so you are the one with the karmic baggage from the murder of your unborn child, they get to walk away unscathed, or so they think.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=86943', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: gay blade</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2005/08/04/breaking-novak-explodes-live-on-cnn/comment-page-7/#comment-86938</link>
		<dc:creator>gay blade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2005 18:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow things are really intense here. The debate here about these target issues are tactics used by conservatives constantly.In my seems to boil down to responsibility. One group of people are willing to turn the responsibility over to groups and organizations to excuse themselves of rational thought and cupability.

Since when has the pursuit of knowledge or intelligence a bad thing.

Abortion will always happen, legalized or not. It has always did and always will. Some theorize Post Pardum  depression is a leftover from our not so distant past. When in tribal socities the tribe would decide wether or not there were enough resources for another life. If not the baby would be killed. 
193.
&quot; If you are gay, and thatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s your problem if you are not mine, that would explain why you defend abortion on demand, it would never affect you.&quot;

Apparently when logic and reason fails accuse them of being gay. Well as a gay man I will tell you that my concern for this issue is womaen being slaughterd in a back alley operation,while her wealthy counerpart flies to another country that allows the fetus.

We stand by and watch the continet of Africa descimated by AIDS, starvation, and genocide. If only they had oil wells we would be able liberate them as well

This entire adminstration makes Nixon look like a full fledge Patriot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow things are really intense here. The debate here about these target issues are tactics used by conservatives constantly.In my seems to boil down to responsibility. One group of people are willing to turn the responsibility over to groups and organizations to excuse themselves of rational thought and cupability.</p>
<p>Since when has the pursuit of knowledge or intelligence a bad thing.</p>
<p>Abortion will always happen, legalized or not. It has always did and always will. Some theorize Post Pardum  depression is a leftover from our not so distant past. When in tribal socities the tribe would decide wether or not there were enough resources for another life. If not the baby would be killed.<br />
193.<br />
&#8221; If you are gay, and thatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s your problem if you are not mine, that would explain why you defend abortion on demand, it would never affect you.&#8221;</p>
<p>Apparently when logic and reason fails accuse them of being gay. Well as a gay man I will tell you that my concern for this issue is womaen being slaughterd in a back alley operation,while her wealthy counerpart flies to another country that allows the fetus.</p>
<p>We stand by and watch the continet of Africa descimated by AIDS, starvation, and genocide. If only they had oil wells we would be able liberate them as well</p>
<p>This entire adminstration makes Nixon look like a full fledge Patriot.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=86938', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Rik</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2005/08/04/breaking-novak-explodes-live-on-cnn/comment-page-7/#comment-86924</link>
		<dc:creator>Rik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2005 17:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hehe yeah Canada is pretty cool. Could well be a wager you&#039;d win :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hehe yeah Canada is pretty cool. Could well be a wager you&#8217;d win :D<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=86924', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2005 17:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL Rik, no CANADIANS rock! Although I&#039;d wager that Brits take second place ;). And I agree, people who have something to hide usually avoid questions or &#039;blow up&#039; over something trivial in order to escape the conversation.

As a side note. Today is the 60th anniversary of the Hiroshima bombing. I wonder what Bush is doing right now to remember such a tragic event... Oh. He&#039;s on vacation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL Rik, no CANADIANS rock! Although I&#8217;d wager that Brits take second place ;). And I agree, people who have something to hide usually avoid questions or &#8216;blow up&#8217; over something trivial in order to escape the conversation.</p>
<p>As a side note. Today is the 60th anniversary of the Hiroshima bombing. I wonder what Bush is doing right now to remember such a tragic event&#8230; Oh. He&#8217;s on vacation.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=86917', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Rik</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2005/08/04/breaking-novak-explodes-live-on-cnn/comment-page-7/#comment-86912</link>
		<dc:creator>Rik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2005 17:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Phemy on #283 for the record. And Ryan Neat, settle down friend. You even started arguing with somone who agreed with you (#270 abortthis) at least to a degree.

I have to say that Abortthis had a good point, in that some people do tend to use abortion as a from of contraception. Usually because they&#039;ve been unable to aquire real forms eg. Condoms (probably becasue of uberchristian parents), and this is wrong. But the choice to abort shouldn&#039;t be denied. Just educate the people who are serial aborting and have them use proper methods of contraception.

Now Ryan, ignore Fish and FakebutAccurate, rejoin sensibility and let&#039;s discuss the topic at hand. How much us Brits rock.......no wait, Novak&#039;s walk-out. 

Can&#039;t say I&#039;m suprised. Your neo-cons have a hard time answering questions. They&#039;re trained in evasion not honesty. What&#039;s really annoying is that monkey dubya has somehow infected Tony Blair. He&#039;s starting to mutate in dubya jr. He&#039;s even developed a monkey grin just the same. Not to mention the evasion tactics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Phemy on #283 for the record. And Ryan Neat, settle down friend. You even started arguing with somone who agreed with you (#270 abortthis) at least to a degree.</p>
<p>I have to say that Abortthis had a good point, in that some people do tend to use abortion as a from of contraception. Usually because they&#8217;ve been unable to aquire real forms eg. Condoms (probably becasue of uberchristian parents), and this is wrong. But the choice to abort shouldn&#8217;t be denied. Just educate the people who are serial aborting and have them use proper methods of contraception.</p>
<p>Now Ryan, ignore Fish and FakebutAccurate, rejoin sensibility and let&#8217;s discuss the topic at hand. How much us Brits rock&#8230;&#8230;.no wait, Novak&#8217;s walk-out. </p>
<p>Can&#8217;t say I&#8217;m suprised. Your neo-cons have a hard time answering questions. They&#8217;re trained in evasion not honesty. What&#8217;s really annoying is that monkey dubya has somehow infected Tony Blair. He&#8217;s starting to mutate in dubya jr. He&#8217;s even developed a monkey grin just the same. Not to mention the evasion tactics.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=86912', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Justin Zeigler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Zeigler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2005 05:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you didnt already know that most the media and the government is bought and paid for by large corporations your a retard. REVOLUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you didnt already know that most the media and the government is bought and paid for by large corporations your a retard. REVOLUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=86816', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Hootie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hootie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2005 05:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think someone should grab Novak and send him to: Egipto, Arabia Saudita, Turquia, or any of those countries heck even Colombia to get the truth out of his ass, for these people to said that they never mention any names that they only said &quot;Harris&#039; wife&quot;
my question is How many wives does this Harris guy have?. Their crap just does not add up.
Just like the W Bush&#039;s excuse for war, IT had/has nothing to do with the atrocities of Osama Bin laden, but a lot to do with cleaning up the Bush&#039;s name he sought the oportunity to reindivicate his father&#039;s faliure to get Sadam and he took it, and he did it draging the USA under his them feet matter non</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think someone should grab Novak and send him to: Egipto, Arabia Saudita, Turquia, or any of those countries heck even Colombia to get the truth out of his ass, for these people to said that they never mention any names that they only said &#8220;Harris&#8217; wife&#8221;<br />
my question is How many wives does this Harris guy have?. Their crap just does not add up.<br />
Just like the W Bush&#8217;s excuse for war, IT had/has nothing to do with the atrocities of Osama Bin laden, but a lot to do with cleaning up the Bush&#8217;s name he sought the oportunity to reindivicate his father&#8217;s faliure to get Sadam and he took it, and he did it draging the USA under his them feet matter non<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=86815', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: fake but accurate</title>
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		<dc:creator>fake but accurate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2005 04:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ryan how can you proclaim to care about women while promoting abortion? ryan, your definition of fetus is wrong.Where did you find it?
feÃ‚Â·tus (fÃ„â€œ&#039;tÃ‰â„¢s) 
n., pl. -tusÃ‚Â·es.
The unborn young of a viviparous vertebrate having a basic structural resemblance to the adult animal.
In humans, the unborn young from the end of the eighth week after conception to the moment of birth, as distinguished from the earlier embryo.
[Middle English, from Latin fÃ„â€œtus, offspring.]
http://www.answers.com/topic/fetus
fetus  
A noun 
 1  fetus, foetus
 
   an unborn or unhatched vertebrate in the later stages of development showing the main recognizable features of the mature animal  
  Category Tree: 
http://www.wordreference.com/definition/fetus
Definition of Fetus
Fetus: The unborn offspring from the end of the 8th week after conception (when the major structures have formed) until birth. Up until the eighth week, the developing offspring is called an embryo. 
http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=3424

birth ryan , even if that birth is at 23 weeks. Now if it&#039;s not a human then what is it? You never answered if you had kids, on another post you said I was not your type man? If you are gay, and that&#039;s your problem if you are not mine, that would explain why you defend abortion on demand, it would never affect you. You made it past the vacuum, your mommy gave a thumb up to you. Lucky you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ryan how can you proclaim to care about women while promoting abortion? ryan, your definition of fetus is wrong.Where did you find it?<br />
feÃ‚Â·tus (fÃ„â€œ&#8217;tÃ‰â„¢s)<br />
n., pl. -tusÃ‚Â·es.<br />
The unborn young of a viviparous vertebrate having a basic structural resemblance to the adult animal.<br />
In humans, the unborn young from the end of the eighth week after conception to the moment of birth, as distinguished from the earlier embryo.<br />
[Middle English, from Latin fÃ„â€œtus, offspring.]<br />
<a href="http://www.answers.com/topic/fetus" rel="nofollow">http://www.answers.com/topic/fetus</a><br />
fetus<br />
A noun<br />
 1  fetus, foetus</p>
<p>   an unborn or unhatched vertebrate in the later stages of development showing the main recognizable features of the mature animal<br />
  Category Tree:<br />
<a href="http://www.wordreference.com/definition/fetus" rel="nofollow">http://www.wordreference.com/definition/fetus</a><br />
Definition of Fetus<br />
Fetus: The unborn offspring from the end of the 8th week after conception (when the major structures have formed) until birth. Up until the eighth week, the developing offspring is called an embryo.<br />
<a href="http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=3424" rel="nofollow">http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=3424</a></p>
<p>birth ryan , even if that birth is at 23 weeks. Now if it&#8217;s not a human then what is it? You never answered if you had kids, on another post you said I was not your type man? If you are gay, and that&#8217;s your problem if you are not mine, that would explain why you defend abortion on demand, it would never affect you. You made it past the vacuum, your mommy gave a thumb up to you. Lucky you.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=86805', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: mary howey</title>
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		<dc:creator>mary howey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2005 04:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I GREW UP IN ONE OF THOSE CRACKPOT RIGHT WING RELIGIOUS HOMES WHERE INCEST IS PART OF THE SUBMISSION TRAINING FOR DAUGHTERS. THE FOLLOWING IS AN EXAMPLE OF MY GREAT CHRISTIAN UPBRINGING. THE STORY IS ACTUALLY HALARIOUS NOW. MY FATHER THREW A SHOE AT OUR BARKING DOG AND THE DOG FELL OVER AND HAD A SEIZURE. MY DAD FREAKED OUT, STARTED CRYING AND SAID GOD WILL NEVER FORGIVE ME. HE THEN TURNED TO ME,I WAS 17YRS OLD AND SAID SINCE YOU ARE NOT A CHRISTIAN WOULD YOU LIE TO THE VET AND SAY SOME KIDS THREW ROCKS AT THE DOG. I WAS GLAD TO OBLIDGE HIS NEED FOR HIS HEATHEN DAUGHTER TO LIE FOR HIM AS HE KNEW I WAS HELL BOUND ANYWAY!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I GREW UP IN ONE OF THOSE CRACKPOT RIGHT WING RELIGIOUS HOMES WHERE INCEST IS PART OF THE SUBMISSION TRAINING FOR DAUGHTERS. THE FOLLOWING IS AN EXAMPLE OF MY GREAT CHRISTIAN UPBRINGING. THE STORY IS ACTUALLY HALARIOUS NOW. MY FATHER THREW A SHOE AT OUR BARKING DOG AND THE DOG FELL OVER AND HAD A SEIZURE. MY DAD FREAKED OUT, STARTED CRYING AND SAID GOD WILL NEVER FORGIVE ME. HE THEN TURNED TO ME,I WAS 17YRS OLD AND SAID SINCE YOU ARE NOT A CHRISTIAN WOULD YOU LIE TO THE VET AND SAY SOME KIDS THREW ROCKS AT THE DOG. I WAS GLAD TO OBLIDGE HIS NEED FOR HIS HEATHEN DAUGHTER TO LIE FOR HIM AS HE KNEW I WAS HELL BOUND ANYWAY!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=86777', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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