Bush Misleads on Impact of Energy Bill
By on Aug 8th, 2005 at 4:11 pm
Bush Misleads on Impact of Energy Bill
Today, President Bush signed the energy bill and claimed that it was an answer to rising gas prices:
For more than a decade, America has gone without a national energy policy. It’s hard to believe, isn’t it? We haven’t had a strategy in place. We’ve had some ideas, but we have not had a national energy policy. And as a result, our consumers are paying more for the price of their gasoline…
That’s not true and the President has admitted it. Here is what he said April 20:
An energy bill wouldn’t change the price at the pump today. I know that and you know that.
If this is such a great bill, why can’t President Bush be honest about it?
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King George is a lying sack of s**t. Tell me something I don’t already know. Or better yet, provide photos. :-)
August 8th, 2005 at 4:20 pmBush should be an honorary MinuteMan. That’s how long it takes for him to spin an earlier comment, decision or anything he or his adminstration has done.
August 8th, 2005 at 4:21 pmor should I say…’Spin-It’ Man?
August 8th, 2005 at 4:23 pmIf you want to make a difference in the energy equation – go out of your way an extra mile or two and buy from a Citgo station. Citgo is owned by the national oil company of Venezuela, PDVSA owns it which means your gas money will in some part go towards Venezuela’s coop programs, education and health programs. Buy from anyone else and you’ll be supporting the Republican party. QED.
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0516-25.htm
http://www.buyblue.org/
August 8th, 2005 at 4:25 pmHonest? YOu want this administration to be honest? Not possible. Honesty would have doomed virtually every major initiative proposed or passed by this president; that would have been better for the country, but this isn’t about what’s best for the country, it’s about what’s the best way to hold and maintain power.
August 8th, 2005 at 4:26 pmActually, and far be it from me to defend Bush, but what he said (at least what’s quoted) is true. If we had a sensible energy policy we could be paying less for gasoline. What’s a lie is the implication that this bill represents such an energy policy rather than what it really is, pork for Bush’s buddies in the oil industry.
August 8th, 2005 at 4:26 pmHis new title is King George Ill
(Kim Jong Il)
August 8th, 2005 at 4:28 pmTerry
August 8th, 2005 at 4:33 pmI did not know, ace!
There will be a humongous hike in the rates of all utilities now that the do nothings in congress have given another one away to big business.
Run the country like a corporation and eventually no one gets anything out of it except the criminals at the top.
Or how bout this: “Behind every great fortune, there is a crime.” Balzac
August 8th, 2005 at 4:42 pmWhat Gary said. C’mon, there’s a lot of real things to criticize about the Pork-based Energy Bill. Did you folks not put any thought into this or did you just figure that lefties are as eager to latch onto shallow talking points as righties?
August 8th, 2005 at 4:42 pmNot what Gary said, it’s What Barry Says: http://www.knife-party.net/flash/barry.html
August 8th, 2005 at 4:54 pmI’m still a little shocked that Tom DeLay could slip a 1.5 bil pork piece for his private buddies in midland after the House/Senate conference comittee, and it didn’t generate any meaningful national media exposure.
Welcome to bushworld.
August 8th, 2005 at 4:54 pmWhat he is really saying is prices will go down now that he’s given them all our money.
August 8th, 2005 at 4:57 pmI’m not sure that is Bushworld – more like corporate media world – it needs to generate ratings, sell ads etc. If it does not, then it is not important. There is no jounarlism, just corporatism (or fascism, you Mussolini students will know). Now if there had been a stained dress, well ‘bring it on’
August 8th, 2005 at 4:57 pmBush lies.
Bush/Cheney had an energy plan. The top secret energy plan they went to the SCOTUS to keep from us.
August 8th, 2005 at 5:00 pmUhm…Bushworld=corporate world. He runs this country like his personal corporation.
He’s a plutocrat all the way. Theocracy is the favored means of controlling the sheeple. Hence, destruction of public schools very much an “agenda item”. Why? Ignorant sheep are easier to herd.
Baaa baaaa
August 8th, 2005 at 5:00 pmI wonder why?
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/09.30C.cheney.argue.p.htm
August 8th, 2005 at 5:01 pmI can’t find the link. Does anyone recall the name of the Texas company that stands to benefit from DeLays 1.5B pork? I’m guessing the Bush family is tied to it somehow.
August 8th, 2005 at 5:02 pmhttp://www.sierraclub.org/environmentallaw/lawsuits/viewCase.asp?id=173
August 8th, 2005 at 5:02 pmMarblex, I guess I was agreeing with you, but my emphasis is that it didn’t start with Shrub, he is just trying to finish off the corporate feudal system – just like ‘barry says’.
August 8th, 2005 at 5:04 pmCitgo it is. Thanks Turtle.
August 8th, 2005 at 5:04 pmSure, I found that my anger at the pump dropped considerably when I started going to my two Citgos locally. We’re going to pay higher prices sooner or later, I’d rather pay higher prices if I know they are not going to Republican big business, in any way shape or form.
August 8th, 2005 at 5:09 pmI read that am/pm does not use oil from the middle east as well. I would have to look into that though.
August 8th, 2005 at 5:09 pmam/pm?
August 8th, 2005 at 5:12 pmTurtle…this is an international conspiracy of BANKING interests who finance BOTH sides of every war before deciding which one will “win”. The purpose of every war is to create economic depression and to redistribute wealth upward.
And I wasn’t criticizing at all. Just pointing out that there is no difference — not even a pretextual one — between business and the Cheneyburton administration.
Peace and love.
I still believe in all that hippie shit. Too bad enough people in power still don’t yet.
August 8th, 2005 at 5:12 pmTerrytheturtle, Citgo is my local station – I am glad to read your note.
August 8th, 2005 at 5:13 pmWe heard the King tell the lie today that puts two unrealted points together, implying a correlation.
Rising gas prices and signing the energy bill are said together as if the energy bill will resolve the gas problem.
Something like putting the attack of 9/11 in the same sentence with Saddam Hussein/Iraq, again, implying a connection.
#26 should have read unrelated. Sorry – typo.
August 8th, 2005 at 5:14 pmmaybe you don’t have them where you are Brian.
anyway its called AM/PM they don’t use middle east oi.
at least thats what I have read.
August 8th, 2005 at 5:18 pmMarie, tell your friends – its one thing for the believers to believe, but you’ll never take your country back unless you can get some of the less-than-informed back – the Coulter brownshirts don’t care, so marginalise them.
Marblex, right on: http://www.zeppscommentaries.com/Politics/fascism.htm
August 8th, 2005 at 5:29 pmThanks for the Citco tip. I knew to stay away from BP and Mobile. Guess I’ll be changing stations? Anyone know where Speedway gets their oil? They are ten cents cheaper than the Citco down the street and if they are helping the pugs I’ll be happy to pay extra.
Remember the new bankruptcy bill that Bushie signed? He slipped in a page that most people don’t know about. EVERY CREDIT CARD HOLDER will have to double their minimum payments in October. JUST A REMINDER, Bushie slips unrelated things into large bills.
Watch him, he’s a sneak. I wonder what he slipped into the energy bill that is unrelated to energy.
August 8th, 2005 at 5:29 pmMy duh, “Citgo”
August 8th, 2005 at 5:30 pmThe higher gasoline prices are contributing to an overall inflation rate that is far above the 2-3% we are told.
August 8th, 2005 at 5:34 pmI use Union 76 out here in Cali because they don’t use MTBE. Too many wells are already polluted w/ that stuff as it is.
Tom DeLay’s group is the The Research Partnership to Secure Energy for America .
August 8th, 2005 at 5:37 pmOil barrel= $64.45 today when I last checked. Oil refinery fires, terrorism scares in Kingdom of Saud, increased chinese demand, what’s the next excuse?
August 8th, 2005 at 6:00 pmA lot of the independents like Speedway, buy from the spot gasoline market – with no reserves of their own, you are buying from who knows where – probably the five deadly sisters oe one of the second tier sisters. Provided PDVSA keeps Citgo, you can’t go wrong. Boycotts and buycotts can be very effective in mass: see apartheid South Africa for example.
August 8th, 2005 at 6:01 pmThe header should read Thinkparanoid.org misleads and lies to unthinking liberals. Here’s what Bush really said after signing the bill:
August 8th, 2005 at 6:11 pm[T]he bill I sign today is a critical first step. It’s a first step toward a more affordable and reliable energy future for the American citizens. This bill is not going to solve our energy challenges overnight. Most of the serious problems, such as high gasoline costs, or the rising dependence on foreign oil, have developed over decades. It’s going to take years
of focused effort to alleviate those problems.
Bush be honest?
Get serious.
August 8th, 2005 at 6:12 pmThanks Terry, I’ll switch immediately.
Skid, if your out there, Bushie will be in Aurora on Weds. I’m going to see if I can get near the event and raise some hell.
Did you know that The National Guard base at Midway Airport is being closed? My neighbor is in the Guard and guess where the new proposed location is….Aurora.
There’s more to Bushie’s visit than just roads. Again, watch him, he’s sneaky.
August 8th, 2005 at 6:21 pmJust more of their spin to avoid the real issues- Lie, lie, lie, lie some more, bomb a sovereign nation, bomb, lie, lie, bomb, coverup, bomb, rumor, 9-11, lie, lie, bomb, half-truths, bomb, WMD, lie, warp, smear, bomb, lie, steal, 9-11, Mushroom cloud, divulge state secrets, lie, bomb, smile while doing it, bomb London, lie, PNAC, steal, cheat, sound patriotic, gag me, confuse, bomb, lie, Christ, hide, bomb, God, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, BANG!
August 8th, 2005 at 6:24 pmSusan, I am going to be out of town, or I would be in Aurora – it’s not that far from me. Give ‘em hell if you can do so and not be arrested.
August 8th, 2005 at 6:28 pm“The header should read Thinkparanoid.org misleads and lies”
Steed, from what I’ve read from you, and your fascination with paranoid fantasies – I’d say you can only see yourself. Too bad you can’t recognize the image in the mirror…
August 8th, 2005 at 6:29 pmToo bad you accept the lies you’re being told at this site, obvious.
August 8th, 2005 at 6:33 pmSteed, and his apologist amateurs talk about “it will take years” to get off oil. Yet they miss the simplest points.
As long as this government makes it more attractive to oil and car companies to depend americans on oil, thereby increasing their profits, then we become ever more dependent on empire and exploitation of others. The government didn’t consider it important to encourage (either negatively or positively) an improved MPG requirement or other conservation measures. The government did see fit to subsidize the very companies that have made us continually more dependent on oil imports. And yet the paltry subsidies to R&D and production development of alternative energies by contrast in non-existence.
It’s easy to say “it’ll take decades” when an inept leadership’s policies ENSURE this the case. Instead of being an active participant to move us away from foreign oil, the new energy policy further plunges us into those unacceptable depths. The very ‘premise’ Steed and the other jackasses in his stable ride is based on yet another set of lies, misrepresentations and coverups. They protect the inadequacies of themselves and others and the expense of us all. And that is truly the irresponsibility of the right wing – all illusion, and no positive conclusions..
August 8th, 2005 at 6:35 pmWe are being readied for $3.00/gal., our priorities are on making war not alternative energy and the energy industry is being given corporate welfare. Bushs’ words mean little Steed.
August 8th, 2005 at 6:36 pmHey Steed,
We, unlike yourself, gather our facts from mulitple different websites, newspapers and tv channels. We don’t get spoon fed our information from this site only. That would be stupid. Any person that really wants to be informed reads views from both sides of the aisle then comes to an educated conclusion as to what the real story is.
If you don’t like it here, why do you feel compelled to come. Your NeoCon buddies would probably mad if they knew you spent so much time here, unless you are paid to try and change the topic of every thread here.
August 8th, 2005 at 7:07 pmFunny how when it comes to SUVs and the price of gas, suddenly Bush’s supporters don’t believe in the market force known as supply and demand.
August 8th, 2005 at 7:08 pmEven if Stewed Cankersore was to tell the truth by accident, no one would believe him. That’s funny.
August 8th, 2005 at 7:18 pmAttention all Neocons:
Line up now for your politico-fellational jollies! Steed will hang on your every word, is very enthusiastic, and he swallows.
August 8th, 2005 at 7:35 pmYou all don’t like your lies being exposed so you belittle the messanger. That’s the only validation I need today. I’ll just have to expose more lies tomorrow. Carry on…
August 8th, 2005 at 7:43 pmYou claim to gather facts, but there was one place you failed to look…the actual text of Bush’s speech. How do you explain that, “fact-finders”?
August 8th, 2005 at 7:46 pmThe problem is you haven’t exposed anything but your ignorance.
August 8th, 2005 at 7:47 pmActually I keep a record of everything that comes out of that piece of shits mouth you moron. Transcripts of the actual speeches. You get your tid bits. I will keep the facts.
August 8th, 2005 at 7:48 pmBush’s plan doesn’t take years to address the problem. It doesn’t address the problem at all. If you’re smart, you’ll adjust your lifestyle so you won’t need a car sooner rather than later. $3/gallon gas will hit you sooner than you expect. So will $5/gallon.
August 8th, 2005 at 7:55 pmOkay, spudge boy. You’re saying that my post wasn’t in Bush’s speech? Cause I’m looking forward to making a liar out of you, too.
August 8th, 2005 at 8:01 pmA simple set of research and production subsidies for the LED lighting industry for instance are 10 times more efficient, meaning that if all light bulbs in the country would be converted to this technology – 1/10th the energy could be used for lighting. Lighting is one of the most energy intensive things people do – and yet we’re still using 19th century technology! The average LED bulb also has 50,000 hours of life, meaning 4 hours of usage a day translates into a bulb lasting for 35 years!
The same thing could be said for the latest generation of Solar panels. Companies like nanosolar have apparently produced such revolutionary products that DARPA is one of their investors – and despite this cusp in new technology that could literally free us from dependency on oil the middle east, we receive silence from the energy bill! And why?
Because being freed from centralized power would cut directly into the economy of texas as well as the nuclear, coal, oil cabal of twisted greedy stupid old white men that currently pump millions into the radical whackos, only to have that money ‘laundered’ back through congressional subsidies! This energy bill isn’t about protecting american interests, it’s about protecting the campaign funds of those in power who could care less about anything other than their own reelection and their own miserable hides!
August 8th, 2005 at 8:06 pmThat is not what I said you freaking idiot. Go back and read what I said you stupid jerk.
I thought you were leaving so that you could expose more lies tomorrow. You lie just as much as Bush.
August 8th, 2005 at 8:07 pmSteed, and who cares what’s in Bush’s speaches – he still quotes the lie that saddam had WMDs and was behind AlQueda – both of which were disproven by his fellow republicans!
I’m more interested in the fact that that miserable excuse for a legislature has passed yet another pork barrel surprise for the american people at the behest of their king…
August 8th, 2005 at 8:08 pmSpudge,
It’s clear that Steed lies because he’s pathological – he can’t help himself like any ‘holic…
August 8th, 2005 at 8:09 pmThat’s right, who cares about what Bush says in his speech. That was only the evidence used for premise in this post by thinkparanoid.org. What an idiot.
August 8th, 2005 at 8:17 pmSteed, your whole rant seems to premised that something in this thread is a lie – are you going to tell what the lie in the opening paragraph is? Or are you going to remain in your fantasy world?
August 8th, 2005 at 8:18 pmVery good spudge boy, if you read the transcript then you would agree with me that the readers of the premise of this post were being lied to by thinkparanoid…oh excuse me…thinkprogress. Bwa-bwa-bwhahahahahahahahahha!
August 8th, 2005 at 8:20 pmThe U.S. has more control over the oil supply than ever before.
August 8th, 2005 at 8:21 pmThe Mid-East is militarily more secure now with all the troops,ships,and bases than it has been.Shipping lane sare much safer.
The oil industry is reporting record profits by 30% or much more.
There is little or no effort to have better fuel milage for cars or to conserve.
To say the admin. is “oil friendly” is a huge,huge understatement.
Gas has gone up 80% in a relatively short time.
11.5B in give aways.
Put Bushs’ speech on MUTE and just look.
Seems like a monsterous energy scam to me that dwarfs ENRON.
You just CAN’T listen to what he says, it is meaningless.
I think it goes like this:
“Clinton had no energy strategy so you are paying more for energy?
I have an energy strategy ergo you will pay less at the pump, but not today”
The fallacy in the statement is that anything in the energy bill will have any appreciable effect on the bill. I think that I might concede to Steed that mislead is a stretch in this opener, but then Steed, do you believe the Chimp when he implies that simply by having a strategy, then energy costs will go down? Mislead or political spin?
August 8th, 2005 at 8:24 pmSteed,
I read this on a website, and immediately think of you. It’s about Faux News, but you’re Faux in your postings so it was wonderfully appropriate. You guys post lies, and expect people to accept them in order to be ‘fair’, when in fact truth is the only true fairness – something you’ll never understand…
“Bill O’Reilly seems like the kind of guy who, if you accused him of right wing bias, would spit in your face, sleep with your wife, and steal your car. That image protects him because, in the same way that Republicans contest facts to fill unpleasant subjects with static, dismissing the partisans attacking your credibility makes their scolding seem like just so much sleazy political background noise. On the other hand, reacting as if it were true, complete with internal investigations and pledges to “seek balance” — whatever that is — make their attacks sound true, not because the charge makes sense, but because the victim looks so guilty. Bill O’Reilly, a former anchor on a celebrity gossip show, had the experience to figure that out. Newsweek should take a lesson.”
August 8th, 2005 at 8:31 pmI view anything the Chimp says through my Orwellian doublespeak glasses. Listen to what he says and then watch the opposite happen over there. It’s like watching a sock puppet at a magic show.
Clear Skies – ‘voluntary’ pollution limits?
August 8th, 2005 at 8:32 pmNo child left behind – fail the little shits before they can be left behind
Healthy Forests – a logged tree is a healthy tree
Patriot Act – shut up and keep shooting at the rag heads
Steed,
Is this the same president that thinks teaching Creationism and Intelligent design is a ‘good idea’? Bahahaha – you so funny stupid man!!
August 8th, 2005 at 8:32 pmWhat the hell is ‘intelligent’ about men’s nipples?
August 8th, 2005 at 8:34 pmWell, I find them useful anyway…
August 8th, 2005 at 8:35 pmJealous,
As someone recently pointed out 99% of all species in the fossil record no longer exist – there’s nothing intelligent about that kind of waste! An intelligent design would have created things much more efficiently, instead of producing so many ‘dead ends’ biologically.
August 8th, 2005 at 9:00 pmJudd misleads, or Judd is illiterate.
The president’s first comment was about the impact of past policy (or lack thereof). The president’s second statement was about the non-immediate effect of the new policy. There’s no inconsistency, let alone misleading.
Why can’t poor Judd avoid thoughtless knee-jerk reactions?
August 8th, 2005 at 9:05 pmWhy are any of you expecting a REAL conversation with Steed?
Trolls like to get you to spin your wheels. Notice how they don’t say anything except call you liars and stupid. Don’t feed the idiot trolls. Your blood pressure and self will really appreciate it.
I liked what Jon Stewart had to say the other night. To paraphrase it went “Why are we giving corporations that made 7 billion dollars profit LAST QUARTER (3 months) 2 billion dollars in tax cuts?”
We all know why (except steed & the other hitler youth), cause dumbya is feeding his own. He comes from energy, as does cheney, and he’s gonna feed ‘em till they burst(with our money). But he is thinking of us. He’s so generous, he’s gonna let us pay the 2 billion in taxes for big energy. What a guy!
August 8th, 2005 at 9:27 pm“Notice how they don’t say anything except call you liars and stupid.”
I’ve noticed how liberals don’t say anything except call the president names, such as liar and stupid.
August 8th, 2005 at 9:31 pm#70, the mislead is the usual flawed logic employed by the Chimp’s handlers: fact (1) implies fact (2) by taking the opposite position which brings up fact (1) then fact (2) is negated.
Here’s an example:
Saddam supports terrorist groups (Hamas and Hezbollah). Al Qaeda is a terrorist group responsible for 9-11. The unspoken implication then is: ergo by negating Saddam’s support, Al qaeda will also be negated.
We’ve seen this crap before Ed – you can play your word games all you like and maybe Judd is ahead of the story semantically – big deal. Judd’s exaggerations are nothing compared to you and your ilk. The facts of this bill are clear: they do nothing to significantly reduce the US addiction to any kind of fossil fuels, foreign or domestic ergo they will do nothing to reduce the costs for the average US family at the pump/heating bill. Young American men and women will pay for Exxon’s and Halliburton’s obscene profits with their and innocent civilians’ blood.
Good night, god bless and thank you for playing.
August 8th, 2005 at 9:36 pmLiar, yes, stupid no. Ignorant and narrow-minded, mean spirited and criminal, yes. Cunning like Michael Corleone is cunning, yes. Christian in the way like the Man himself appears to have been, no, not even close. The man is drunk with power. http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/nation/3298735(last line)
August 8th, 2005 at 9:39 pmGood god you are sooo freaking stooopid. How in the world do you think what he said about the energy bill differs today from then, can you read TP? It’s official, this blog is run by high school students. Dumb ones at that.
August 8th, 2005 at 10:57 pm#71
“I liked what Jon Stewart had to say the other night. To paraphrase it went “Why are we giving corporations that made 7 billion dollars profit LAST QUARTER (3 months) 2 billion dollars in tax cuts?â€?
Comment by kindness  August 8, 2005 @ 9:27 pm
#72
“Notice how they don’t say anything except call you liars and stupid.�
I’ve noticed how liberals don’t say anything except call the president names, such as liar and stupid.
Comment by The Editors, American Federalist Journal  August 8, 2005 @ 9:31 pm
Here Ed, kindness posted something from John Stewart I would like to ask again. Whay are we giving the oil companies that posted record profits (7 Billion) a tax break of 2 Billion? That is 9 Billion profit.
Answer that question if you dare. It doesn’t get any simpler than that. Your answer shouldn’at be that long either. Just give a good reason.
August 8th, 2005 at 11:22 pmWhat I find funny is the hawks on this site claim that they ARE NOT THE MINORITY.
My math says that 3 hawks for Bush vs. 150+ against Bush proves they are the minority.
I guess math is not their best subject.
August 8th, 2005 at 11:22 pmFake, Ed, Steed, Lyle, Alexa,
Can any of you answer this question:
Why is the Bush administration giving the oil companies that posted record profits ($7 Billion) a tax break of $2 Billion? That is $9 Billion profit.
Why is gas so expensive when the oil companies are posting record profits.
Answer that one question.
August 8th, 2005 at 11:43 pmsuzy, youre back : ) Now suzy there are not that many of us who can hold their noses long enough to post here. Can the Debtonators help Airhead Amerika pay off the “loan” from Gloria Wise, they could put a few copies of your book on someones creditcard I’m sure, LOL.
August 8th, 2005 at 11:44 pmI guess that’s two questions, but you only need to answer the first one.
August 8th, 2005 at 11:45 pmFake, I know you’re there.
Answer the question:
Why is the Bush administration giving the oil companies that posted record profits ($7 Billion) a tax break of $2 Billion?
August 8th, 2005 at 11:46 pmHell, rover has the shrubite’s flying monkeys heads spinning so much they don’t know if they are coming or going. They can’t tell the truth, and they don’t do math.
They are the true product of no billionaire left behind. Or as I like to call it, the dumbing down of America.
August 8th, 2005 at 11:49 pmWhy is it that I posted the question, Fake shows up, says something stupid and leaves? This is a perfect example of the NeoCon BS. They only come here to spew Bullshit. They won’t even answer a simple question. Of course, this question is on topic, so I doubt they will answer.
Here is the question, for any NeoCon to answer:
Why is the Bush administration giving the oil companies that posted record profits ($7 Billion) a tax break of $2 Billion?
August 9th, 2005 at 12:32 amhttp://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c109:6:./temp/~c109NuRuIq::
spudge, it’s late, I had a long day at the consentration camp, but I don’t think John Stewert on a comedy news show is where you should get your facts.
My eyes are crossed from reading that damn thing, you read it. Night. Here is some of what I found, think the guys at the dailyshow read this? Sec. 1300. Short title; amendment to 1986 Code.
Subtitle A–Electricity Infrastructure
Sec. 1301. Extension and modification of renewable electricity production credit.
Sec. 1302. Application of section 45 credit to agricultural cooperatives.
Sec. 1303. Clean renewable energy bonds.
Sec. 1304. Treatment of income of certain electric cooperatives.
Sec. 1305. Dispositions of transmission property to implement FERC restructuring policy.
Sec. 1306. Credit for production from advanced nuclear power facilities.
Sec. 1307. Credit for investment in clean coal facilities.
Sec. 1308. Electric transmission property treated as 15-year property.
Sec. 1309. Expansion of amortization for certain atmospheric pollution control facilities in connection with plants first placed in service after 1975.
Sec. 1310. Modifications to special rules for nuclear decommissioning costs.
Sec. 1311. Five-year net operating loss carryover for certain losses.
Subtitle B–Domestic Fossil Fuel Security
Sec. 1321. Extension of credit for producing fuel from a nonconventional source for facilities producing coke or coke gas.
Sec. 1322. Modification of credit for producing fuel from a nonconventional source.
Sec. 1323. Temporary expensing for equipment used in refining of liquid fuels.
Sec. 1324. Pass through to owners of deduction for capital costs incurred by small refiner cooperatives in complying with Environmental Protection Agency sulfur regulations.
Sec. 1325. Natural gas distribution lines treated as 15-year property.
Sec. 1326. Natural gas gathering lines treated as 7-year property.
Sec. 1327. Arbitrage rules not to apply to prepayments for natural gas.
Sec. 1328. Determination of small refiner exception to oil depletion deduction.
Sec. 1329. Amortization of geological and geophysical expenditures.
Subtitle C–Conservation and Energy Efficiency Provisions
Sec. 1331. Energy efficient commercial buildings deduction.
Sec. 1332. Credit for construction of new energy efficient homes.
Sec. 1333. Credit for certain nonbusiness energy property.
Sec. 1334. Credit for energy efficient appliances.
Sec. 1335. Credit for residential energy efficient property.
Sec. 1336. Credit for business installation of qualified fuel cells and stationary microturbine power plants.
Sec. 1337. Business solar investment tax credit.
Subtitle D–Alternative Motor Vehicles and Fuels Incentives
Sec. 1341. Alternative motor vehicle credit.
Sec. 1342. Credit for installation of alternative fueling stations.
Sec. 1343. Reduced motor fuel excise tax on certain mixtures of diesel fuel.
Sec. 1344. Extension of excise tax provisions and income tax credit for biodiesel.
Sec. 1345. Small agri-biodiesel producer credit.
Sec. 1346. Renewable diesel.
Sec. 1347. Modification of small ethanol producer credit.
Sec. 1348. Sunset of deduction for clean-fuel vehicles and certain refueling property.
Subtitle E–Additional Energy Tax Incentives
Sec. 1351. Expansion of research credit.
Sec. 1352. National Academy of Sciences study and report.
Sec. 1353. Recycling study.
August 9th, 2005 at 12:41 amJust because it was mentioned on the Daily show doesn’t mean that isn’t isn’t real. You posting a bunch of section titles to a 1,724 document does not answer the question:
Why is the Bush administration giving the oil companies that posted record profits ($7 Billion) a tax break of $2 Billion?
Just answer the question.
August 9th, 2005 at 1:06 amHere, from CNN:
“The bill’s price tag — $12.3 billion over 10 years — is twice what the White House had first proposed.”
How about the same (almost quote from Fox News):
“The bill  at a cost of $12.3 billion over 10 years  gives tax credits to consumers who buy hybrid gasoline-electric cars and make energy-conservation improvements in new and existing homes.”
Notice no mention of the twice the amount. There is your Right Hand spin at its finest baby. Doesn’t mean the first one or the second one are incorrect. But, one of them is wrong.
August 9th, 2005 at 1:11 amTell you what, you prove, with the bill itself, they get 2 billion in tax breaks. Then we can itemize it together. Look at what the breaks are in the bill, that’s what I posted, the cost is for all kinds of stuff, read the bill, get off comedy central, jeeez. One spins (cnn) negative for the Pres, the other (fox) positive, am I surprised? NO, are you? How is one wrong, the figures are the same? Now look at the bill, not what a comedian told you about the bill, find the 2 billion and prove most of it’s not “green” initiatives. Some of it’s pork, we all know that, some is dem pork as well. As for the price of gas, why is it people think the per gallon cost of gas should be less than milk? You think it’s cheaper to refine gas than to milk cows? Not that I want to pay more but if you are really worried about global warming won’t higher gas prices make people conserve? Less pollution? At least what I posted was part of the bill, not a joke you took as gosphel truth. Now read the bill.
August 9th, 2005 at 2:30 amBuy CITGO: Mr Chávez said Citgo should be sold because it was denying PDVSA adequate revenue and because it was, in effect, contributing tax to the government of President George W. Bush, rather than to Venezuela.
“We are subsidising Mr Bush,†Mr Chávez said
Venezuela: Court Orders Trial of Civil Society Leaders
(Washington, July 8, 2005)  In ordering the trial of four civil society leaders on dubious charges of treason, a Venezuelan court has assented to government persecution of political opponents, Human Rights Watch said today.
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BLEAK VENEZUELAN ELECTION
First reports are in on today’s municipal elections in Venezuela.
Hugo Chavez is “winning.�
But turnout is so thin that the government has extended voting by two (update: now three) hours to try to make it a double-digit turnout. First reports say it’s running at about 8%. Updated, with the polls closed, the turnout is estimated at 20%. That’s an 80% abstention rate.
What a sad sorry affair this is. About 3350 municipal positions are at stake. Jimmy Carter must be so proud of his job instilling confidence in the system last August, which by his own words, was the aim of his observation of Hugo Chavez’s recall referendum. Besides this, note that Venezuela had all the fanciest and highest tech electronic equipment for this vote. Neither has made Venezuelan voters confident in the system, given the turnout. Clearly something else is needed to instill confidence. It’s not there.
This is not the first time Venezuela’s polling hours have been extended. They were also extended during the recall referendum, but for very different reasons – because turnout was so high. Ironic. Obviously, public perceptions of fraud and retribution are so strong that very few people are willing to participate in the farce.
Bloggers here, here and here have warned that the fingerprint machines are recording voters’ choices, something that could lead to retribution for those whose choices do not win, and other setups that should lead to a rigged result. It’s a sad picture.
Miguel reports a ghost town at the polls in Caracas and has photos of the polling stations to show it.
Daniel has an hour by hour superb (Daniel at his best) summary of the voting situation in Yaracuy state to the west of Caracas, cattle country, where he says the voting stations were “deserted� and the only people in the area were soldiers in Cuban-like military uniforms, definitely an ugly site, he notes. How this this for an observation?
Daniel Duquenal reports that this election leaves a very bitter taste for Chavez. He writes that apparently, abstention rates were higher among chavistas than non-chavistas. That may mean the opposition gained seats even with abstention rates as high as these. He corrects historic figures on abstention rates – about 48%, it seems, meaning that the results we are seeing now may be a disaster for the chavistas. He writes:
apparently rumors fly that the opposition might have gotten way more seats than planned in spite of the abstention. If this is true, then abstention was really as much a chavista phenomenon than an opposition one and something really important happened yesterday. Could this be a defeated victory for Chavez? To be continued.
http://www.publiuspundit.com/?p=1495
Yes sounds like your kinda people ; (
August 9th, 2005 at 3:17 amThe Daily Show really chaps your ass. Good. I don’t think anybody here cares where you get your “facts”. You are a minority in this world, this country and on this forum.
August 9th, 2005 at 6:30 amRemember folks, the FBA and Federalists are to be mocked, harassed, insulted, impersonated and ignored because they can’t be banned. Driven away by any means necessary, relegated back to the fringe where they belong. They are agit-prop agitators and agent provocateurs.
August 9th, 2005 at 6:40 amRemember folks, the FBA and Federalists are to be mocked, harassed, insulted, impersonated and ignored because they can’t be banned. Driven away by any means necessary, relegated back to the fringe where they belong. They are agit-prop agitators and agent provocateurs.
Really? I thought they were just clowns and wankers.
August 9th, 2005 at 9:07 amThanks to the Dems in Congress, ANWR and MTBE are left out of the bill, but no one really fought the huge oil company tax giveaways.. so while the Repubs are pure evil, Dems in Congress mostly acted as common crooks…
August 9th, 2005 at 9:56 amCan anyone relay one incident in 5 years when we have gotten the correct and truthful story regarding anything this administration has pushed through congress?
August 9th, 2005 at 10:39 amThat is their weakness. You have to throw out the truth once in a while to condition people to listen and believe. To never tell the truth, leads the listening and believing behaviors to extinction, which is where they are at now with many. This admin. is so arrogant that they won’t even let us smell the carrot.
August 9th, 2005 at 11:23 amFake, thanks for the Debtonator plug, I appreciate it.
I am more interested in seeing your answer to SpudgeBoy.
It’s been over 6 hours, you’ve been given plenty of time.
Sorry but your time is up. I’m going to have to give you an F again.
Comments from teacher:
August 9th, 2005 at 11:23 amFake tries hard but he is unable to answer simple questions. He spends too much time ranting on off topic subjects. He doesn’t have an acceptable bedtime and arrives to class unprepared and listless. It is my recommendation that he repeat the 3rd grade.
#88 – so copying blogs and pasting them into other blogs is an argument FBA? I noticed that most of your ‘argument’ was well refuted by another blogger on that thread. Get a proper source FBA and tell me again why the company that still has not paid damages for Exxon Valdez deserves my patronage over Citgo?
August 9th, 2005 at 11:25 amFake gets an A+ in copy and paste class!
August 9th, 2005 at 11:48 amLegalize hemp and we can forget about needing foreign oil, as most petroleum products can be made from hemp.
August 9th, 2005 at 1:11 pmJohn Kerry on the Energy Bill: “The President’s Own Economists Found That This Policy Will Cause Foreign Oil Imports to Increase�
http://blog.thedemocraticdaily.com/?p=179
August 9th, 2005 at 3:11 pmThe daily show is your fact supply, LOL. Hugo Chavez made the first statement in a speech, google it yourself. The second paragraph is from human rights watch, but I guess you only listen to them about the “evils” we perpetrate on the poor beheaders of islam. The third is linked from a blog by Argentineans about Argentina, take it for what you want. Chavez says your helping Bush by buying citgo, believe him or not, I don’t care. As for answering the daily show, I don’t believe the daily show so why would I? I said prove your premise then I even found the bill for you, if you can prove your assertion, then we can itemize the bill together.
Suzy, if you think adding debt on those in debt is helping them, well, that speaks for itself.
As for me being in the monoriy, does that mean I get special treatment now? Really you are wrong again, how soon you forget:
Bush Rep 60,934,251 51 286 31
Kerry Dem 57,765,291 48 252 20
http://network.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2004/general/national/pres.html?SITE=CSPANELN&SECTION=POLITICS
August 9th, 2005 at 3:31 pmThink Progress, run by amateurish hacks who lie by omission, tried to say the president contradicted himself in remarks made when he signed the energy bill, but notice they put up no link to the full text of his comments. But why? If you read his remarks in full you would see he said the same thing he said April 20th:
August 9th, 2005 at 3:47 pmThe bill I sign today — (applause) — the bill I sign today is a critical first step. It’s a first step toward a more affordable and reliable energy future for the American citizens. This bill is not going to solve our energy challenges overnight. Most of the serious problems, such as high gasoline costs, or the rising dependence on foreign oil, have developed over decades. It’s going to take years of focused effort to alleviate those problems. But in about two minutes, we’re going to have a strategy that will help us do that. (Applause.)
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/20050808-6.html
Podesta’s not getting his moneys worth. At least we know people who get their “facts” from a fake news show won’t know the differance, LOL! Even the statement they did post wasn’t contradictory, but anyone with BDS would not see that.
Fake,
August 9th, 2005 at 4:36 pmTime to adjust your medication.
From Chavez’s perspective sure, Citgo is funneling money in the US tax system. If I was him I’d sell it too. But for those of us in North America, our choices are limited to the heavily favoured US oil companies which overwhelmingly support the kinds of policies we see being acted out around the world. Remember PDVSA is the national oil company of Venezuela and will be owned by the whole Venezuelan nation, Chavez or no Chavez. I’d go to Citgo even if the puppet the US sponsored in the 2002 coup attempt, Pedro Carmona, was in power because the money would still be going in part to the Venezuelan nation and not to Exxon or BP or other.
And for #101, as I pointed out earlier, the mislead is more about the implication that this bill will do anything whatsoever to reduce the prices you Americans pay for energy. I love how his actual words indicate that in ‘two minutes’ it will all start to be better again. Well sports fans, the price at my local Shell ticked up again, so I guess not. This bill does nothing significant for demand except a couple of fig leafs here and there. Justify for me why big energy needs $18.5 billion in tax breaks when they are banking obscene amounts of money already? This bill is a pay-off.
Oh and FBA, don’t get started on human rights issues – you have nothing to say as a Bushevik. Chavez is no saint, I suspect, but he doesn’t have a Guantanamo Bay or a Jose Padilla on his hands. Nor does he have the honour of rolling back human rights for women in Iraq back to the stone age. Talk about Uzbekistan anyone?
August 9th, 2005 at 5:12 pmTurdle, crude oil is co-mingled from multiple sources at the refinery. A Citgo station doesn’t pump gasoline refined from Citgo (Venezuela crude) exclusively. You’ve been mislead or lied to again. That’s what happens when you get your information from liberal websites. But you’ll gladly accept those lies just like your accepting the premise of this post. Ouch.
August 9th, 2005 at 5:54 pmSteed, I happen to work in the oil and gas industry – I was in an office of one of the five deadly sisters last week. Don’t try and teach your grandma to suck eggs. If you want an object lesson about the complexities of the petroleum retail chain, I am one of a few thousand people on the planet that can give it to you.
The only thing you need to know is this: whether or not the oil/gasoline itself is exchanged for something else in the spot market on its way from Venezuela to your WMD-SUV is irrelevant – gasoline is a commodity to be traded. The fact is this – paying for gasoline at a Citgo station funnels money away from the five deadly sisters to a national oil company of a country that could use the money.
And if you read my posts, I don’t accept the premise of this post as it is written and have argued against it. That, Steed, is called reading, thinking and questioning, something that fascist nations don’t do.
August 9th, 2005 at 6:06 pmI happen to work in the oil and gas industry Terrytheturtle
They are “the five evil deadly scary mean sisters of doom” but you still work for them? You carry your bloody check to the bank every week and pump your “evil” fuel in your “greenhouse” machine like the rest of us, you just know your evil and we are all tooo stoopid to understand the depth of our depravity. LOL, OMFG! No wait your hands are clean, you have direct deposit and drive a hybrid. wanker. Well, at least you have principles.
August 9th, 2005 at 6:22 pmTime to adjust your medication.
Comment by David B
That’s tellin ‘em dave, can’t argue with that, I’m in awe, you clearly made your point, I give up, sorry I wasted your time blowing this post out of the water.
August 9th, 2005 at 6:27 pmI work in the field of corporate and environmental compliance. You know, policing the corporations before they squirt mercury up your kids nostrils? Before you start your ad-hominem attacks, you might consider that you know nothing about what I do, or what my principles are. How I put food on my children’s table is none of your business.
August 9th, 2005 at 6:43 pmMr Turdle,
August 9th, 2005 at 6:48 pmI’ve been in the oil/gas and energy industry for 30 years. Don’t even try your b.s with me.
Then Steed you would know why what I said is accurate, wouldn’t you?
August 9th, 2005 at 6:49 pmWhy argue, why don’t we use the company financial analysis: “Citgo’s net income also soared during those five years, to $499.2 million in 2004 from $146.5 million in 1999, a trend illustrated by Citgo’s payment of a record $400 million dividend to the government of Venezuela last December.”.
What is interesting, Steed, and if you are as knowledgeable as you say you are and can do so without an ad hominem attack, is why Chavez is so keen to sell Citgo. To me it makes poor sense, even with the hostility between Chavez and the US.
August 9th, 2005 at 6:56 pmSorry, forgot the link: http://www.petroleumworld.com/Lag030905.htm
August 9th, 2005 at 6:57 pmI work in the field of corporate and environmental compliance.Terrytheturtle
Ok so you just jack up the oil companies then complain when they pass the cost of your “services” on to us? By the way what Steed said was right on about the blending of stock, then you tried the “If you want an object lesson about the complexities of the petroleum retail chain, I am one of a few thousand people on the planet that can give it to you” BS, but you don’t work in the “oil and gas industry ” now. Now “it’s corporate and environmental compliance.” So you brought up your job to show your expertise on this subject, now it’s not my business. You brought it up. Compliance, so you are a consultant, a lawyer or a bureaucrat, nice. Or youre the guy driving a vacuum truck. So will you profit from the energy bill you are complaining about? Who pays your check? We do, at the pump.
August 9th, 2005 at 7:21 pmYour link proved Steed was right by the way: Mr. RamÃÂrez, the president of Petróleos de Venezuela, complained that while Citgo was originally acquired with the intent of refining Venezuelan crude it now has to buy about 50 percent of the petroleum for its refineries from other countries, mainly Canada and Mexico. That fact might indicate one option Petróleos de Venezuela is considering when weighing the sale of some of Citgo’s assets.
August 9th, 2005 at 7:26 pmI would trust the Daily Show before I would believe
ANYTHING
That Faux News says.
Faux News….WE DECIDE!
August 9th, 2005 at 7:33 pmNeither one of you ass wipes has answered the question:
Why is the Bush administration giving the oil companies that posted record profits ($7 Billion) a tax break of $2 Billion?
August 9th, 2005 at 7:34 pmOnce again, personal attacks substitute for argument. I don’t take a pay check from the oil companies, I do work in and around the O&G industry and have done for most of my career. I also work with utility companies, including green power companies. Who would I prefer to work with? Even you could guess. Can I do so today? No, not yet. Will I profit from the energy bill? Doubt it will make much difference to me in my bank balance, the so-called Clear Skies act took money away from me, but I know a bill that will steal from my children when I see it.
Actually, Steed is partly wrong when it comes to Citgo’s feedstock. The answer is in the difference between what sweet and sour feedstocks are.
In any case, I set out to prove that for now a dollar spent at a Citgo store is a dollar which finds its way eventually to a Venezuelan social program. I did not set out to prove where Venezuelan crude ended up. My work is done.
August 9th, 2005 at 7:39 pmyeah what spudge_boy said
Why is the Bush administration giving the oil companies that posted record profits ($7 Billion) a tax break of $2 Billion?
plz explain why this is ok and good policy.
August 9th, 2005 at 11:37 pmThese jerks won’t answer, because they know that the answer will make them, the RNC, GOP and BushCo look bad.
Do you see how Fake keeps trying to say that I got the question from the Daily Show, which I did not, just so that he can try and make it seem like I get my news from the Daily Show. While I enjoy the Daily Show. I would have to say that the last time I saw it was over a year ago.
August 10th, 2005 at 12:07 amAh, his excessive spending on “stratitudes” that will never bare fruit! It’s idiocy.
A failed businessman in charge of our economy.
August 10th, 2005 at 1:35 pm#115 Neither one of you ass wipes has answered the question:
Why is the Bush administration giving the oil companies that posted record profits ($7 Billion) a tax break of $2 Billion?
Comment by Spudge_Boy  August 9, 2005 @ 7:34 pm
I’ll tell you why (they don’t want to, because it proves our case)….
Because it is 2 billion that the lower income people have to pay and the rich people don’t.
That same 2 billion in taxes is paid by the people making less that $10.00 per hour. That makes perfect sense…. make the people that make the least PAY THE MOST. THAT IS REPUGNICAN… THAT IS AMER-I- KKK – A.
EXTRA EXTRA, READ ALL ABOUT IT…. Ameri-KKK-a opens it’s first of many concentration camps.
…..shrub makes world record …home foreclosures!
BOYS AND GIRLS DO YOU FEEL A BIG OLE’ DRAFT?????
August 11th, 2005 at 3:37 am#122, you give the trained monkey way too much credit.
or too little,
not only is he a failed businessman, he is also a FAILED HUMAN
(although the jury is still debating the issue of their being decendants (sp) of tapeworms)
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