Carville Was Right: WSJ Was Watching
Carville Was Right: WSJ Was Watching
Today, the Wall Street Journal editorial page, as James Carville predicted, came to Bob Novak’s defense. But what a ridiculous defense it is.
Here’s their main argument:
“But far from ‘watching’ Mr. Novak, we’ve defended him while the rest of the press corps has assailed him for doing his job and breaking the news about Valerie Plame’s role in getting her husband Joe Wilson a job as a CIA consultant.”
That’s exactly the point! Despite specifically being asked by the CIA not to divulge Plame’s identity, Novak did so anyways. The WSJ has led the right-wing establishment’s defense of Novak’s reprehensible behavior. And that is why Novak has to return the favor by, as Carville suggested, showing “he’s got a backbone.”
WSJ: “Mr. Novak has since appropriately apologized for losing his cool, but Mr. Carville is lucky he didn’t get punched in the nose.”
So Carville says Novak has to look tough. Novak responds by walking off the set. The henchmen at the WSJ, in their disappointment, suggest Carville should have been “punched in the nose” for telling the truth. It appears Novak wasn’t tough enough for the WSJ.
WSJ: “Mr. Carville is the professional political wrestler, but CNN has asked only Mr. Novak to take a vacation.”
The WSJ’s logically incomprehensible suggestion that Carville should be asked by CNN to go on indefinite leave makes no sense for two reasons. First, Novak is just as much the “professional political wrestler” as is Carville, having appeared for 15 years as a host of CNN’s crossfire — the place where “political wrestlers” went to wrestle. Second, Novak wasn’t asked to leave because he’s a political hack. He was asked to leave because he cursed on live TV and walked off the set. Carville didn’t do either.
The WSJ’s closing line is comical:
“The members of the liberal press pack owe Mr. Novak an apology, not vice versa.”
Novak curses live on television and walks off the set because someone dares to tell the truth about him. And he deserves an apology?
Topic Cloud
ArchivesBlog Roll
the WSJ is the biggest joke in journalism.
August 8th, 2005 at 11:23 amSorry, Bob. We love you…
August 8th, 2005 at 11:35 amThe op/ed and editorial is a joke. The rest of the paper is a little better, if you are an investor. Let’s see how they cover the slow hissing sound of the puntured housing bubble that has kept this economy’s head just barely above water as we all go under slowly together.
August 8th, 2005 at 11:36 amWSJ supports treason. Great. The bookmarked copy of “Who’s who In America” on the desk during Novak’s walk-off had maore to do with his tantrum than did Carville, who I’m sure smelled Novak’s blood in the water.
August 8th, 2005 at 11:38 amWas the media in Germany during the late 1930’s this in line with the political machine there? We all know what that led to. :-(
August 8th, 2005 at 11:38 amwhy isn’t novak in jail instead of miller.
August 8th, 2005 at 11:43 amPerhaps Novak should be sentenced along with Karl Rove.
August 8th, 2005 at 11:46 am#5
They only had newspapers and radio back then, and films.
August 8th, 2005 at 11:47 amafter Novakula dodges this Plame bullet, watch him take up residence on that editorial board. They deserve each other…what a bunch of LOSERS!
August 8th, 2005 at 11:47 amI guess logic and truth are not two of the virtues the WSJ finds necessary to write for them. No wonder they hired Peggy Noonan.
August 8th, 2005 at 11:48 amSo-Called Liberal Media to Novak:
August 8th, 2005 at 11:49 amWe’re sorry you’re such an evil, incompetent hack.
[...] And Think Progress let’s us know that the Wall Street Journal Editorial page was watching…and they’re just about as crazy and senile as he is. [...]
August 8th, 2005 at 11:49 amAh yes.
The Wall Street Journal — John Fund’s employer. Fund had his own tangle with scandal when he raped his former girlfriend’s minor age, teenage daughter.
They are diseased scumbags.
. . .
August 8th, 2005 at 12:17 pmNot sure if you’re kidding, f north. Novak is not in jail because he cooperated with the prosecutor to save his ass. Miller refused to answer questions, questions we don’t know. We don’t know if she was asked to give up her source or not, but I think it’s fairly obvious that she’s in jail to save HER ass, most likely because Rove is her source and he’d ruin her career if she talks. (The source has to be someone inside the administration who saw the State Dept memo that was on Air Force One with Powell.) It seems like none of these professional right-wing mouthpieces has any backbone.
August 8th, 2005 at 12:18 pmi kind of think Miller might be covering for somebody much higher up,not just herself. shes gonna be a rich woman when she gets out of jail. watch.
August 8th, 2005 at 12:26 pm“Despite specifically being asked by the CIA not to divulge Plame’s identity, Novak did so anyways.”
Faiz has just asserted, in no uncertain terms, that it was a journalist – not a member of the Bush administration – who revealed Valerie Plame’s identity. This is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Reasonable people may disagree as to which journalist deserves the blame/credit (I vote for David Corn, who was the first person to publicly ID Valerie Plame as an “undercover CIA officer”). What remains indisputable is that it was a journalist, not an administration official, who brought this information to light.
August 8th, 2005 at 12:39 pm[url]http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/07/07/national/main707048.shtml[/url]
CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart reports Miller said: “I won’t testify. The risks are too great. The government is too powerful.”
Translated – “if i say anything, they’ll kill me”.
August 8th, 2005 at 12:40 pmComment by Karl Rove
Yes, you can make this argument, just as it was a journalist who broke the story that the US was invading Iraq. Does this journalist then deserve credit for all that went wrong there? You can split hairs growing out of your ass, but alas it is still a Karl Rove butt hair.
August 8th, 2005 at 12:55 pmI really would like to see Novak, cadaverous swivel chair hussar, attempt to punch Carvilee, ex-Marine, in the nose. I really would.
It would surpass Paris Hilton’s boink video as the most downloaded video of all time. Crooks and Liars would have to expand to Google-class bandwidth.
August 8th, 2005 at 1:00 pmWhat argument? How is it that a journalist got that information? The leak to the journalist FROM an ADMIN OFFICIAL is what is key. Not the fact that a journalist published it. The little game of music leaks they tried to play to obfuscate the initial source is called conspiracy and obstruction.
August 8th, 2005 at 1:01 pmCitizen80203:
“You can split hairs growing out of your ass, but alas it is still a Karl Rove butt hair.”
“It” is not an “argument,” it is a “fact” (if you are confused about the difference, please consult your dictionary). Faiz has confirmed this fact (which was self-evident to begin with), and in the process has taken all your anti-Bush spin over the cliff. The fact that it was a journalist who first identified Valerie Plame, there simply is no factual basis for your assertion that someone in the administration was responsible.
If that upsets you, your “argument” is with Faiz, not with me.
August 8th, 2005 at 1:11 pmCan you provide a link for your assertion KR?
August 8th, 2005 at 1:17 pmMaybe what JMiller did is explained here:
August 8th, 2005 at 1:25 pmhttp://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/08/04/1357248
Karl – are you still pissed you got subpoenaed? You see your friend Novak was the person who outed Plame, and seeing as you were speaking to other journalists about Plame’s identity at the time, you know, don’t get all surprised you became a subject of the investigation yourself. You f*cked around with classified information, and it came back to bite you in your fat ass. Deal with it.
August 8th, 2005 at 1:29 pmKR chooses to ignore that fact that a journalist wouldn’t be able to obtain the information without a memeber of the admin. with security clearance to leak it to them in the first place. Where KR gets the idea that his statement is fact, let alone where the buck stops, is short-sighted and disingenuous.
August 8th, 2005 at 1:29 pmWhat is this obsession with “getting someone a job?” It goes on all the time, every day!! Is that all you got? Jeez, give it up. After all, W. can pretty much thank his Daddy for every job he ever got, right? Oh, and it WASN’T exactly a highly sought-after “job” anyway.
August 8th, 2005 at 1:31 pmKR and his fellow criminal-sympathizers are getting a lot of use out of the electron microscope utilised in splitting these hairs.
August 8th, 2005 at 1:34 pm“Karl Rove” states that his inference is “nothing but the truth.” It is only the truth if the journalist ferreted out the identity of Valerie Wilson himself or herself. For example, if a reporter on AF1 took an unauthorized peek at the memo. At any rate, I doubt very much that the special prosecutor agrees with KR.
The fact that KR puts the word “fact” in quotes is quite revealing. It is, in fact, a right-wing, non-reality based fact of which he speaks. The fact is that neither KR nor anyone else knows how Novak got his information. Another fact is that if an administration official or anyone else told him the agent’s identity and that it was classified, that person who informed Novak is in violation of the 1917 act barring disclosure of classified information.
August 8th, 2005 at 1:34 pmWSJ is a hackrag for bushco……..they will blast anyone who isn’t for the “Posers” …. jmiller is protecting herself as she met with Scooter Libby,what would she be tried for Treason? Frogwalk ‘em all!
Is there just one Republican Congress/Senator honest,really loves this country,will come to her aide and say we must impeach these men for Treason?
August 8th, 2005 at 1:35 pmNarc:
“How is it that a journalist got that information?”
You haven’t been paying attention, my friend. David Corn got that information directly from Joe Wilson, and Novak got it directly from the CIA.
In addition, my guess (not a fact, mind you, but my guess) is that Judy Miller’s WMD reporting was partly based on information she obtained from Valerie Plame as an anonymous source, and that Miller used her as a source precisely because she knew who and what Ms. Plame was.
Not to mention my additional guess that, as the wife of a well-known former ambassador, Valerie Plame’s employment by the CIA probably was already common knowledge within DC circles in the first place. I doubt that anyone in DC who knew Joe Wilson & Valerie Plame was surprised to find out that she worked for the CIA.
We won’t know everything, of course, until the Fitgerald report comes out. Even then, we may never know all of what Judy Miller knows. But based on what we know to date, there simply is no factual support for your assertion that that the journalist(s) who first revealed Plame’s identity and employment got that information from an administration official.
August 8th, 2005 at 1:38 pmthats a lot of guess work KR with no factual data, yet you expect us to believe you.
August 8th, 2005 at 1:40 pmKR is full of shit as usual. Hey Karl, don’t
August 8th, 2005 at 1:43 pmdrop the soap…..
Karl Rove
Which Faiz is it, Faiz Ahmad, or did you mean Fez? Amazing that these rightwing whackjobs post with a elitist flair of “knowing” at the same time using the name of a traitor to the United States. Go post on a conjob site with your pussy real name and leave the reality base blogs to real arguments.
August 8th, 2005 at 1:43 pmKraz:
Try http://www.nationalreview.com/may/may200507150827.asp.
If that doesn’t work, go to National Review Online (www.nationalreview.com) and check the Clifford May archive for his article dated 7/15/05. This article contains a factual comparison of the contents of the Novak and Corn articles.
August 8th, 2005 at 1:47 pmDon’t worry, Bob. It will all be declassified soon. Tell you what. While you’re at it? Go ahead and write about the fake company she worked for as her cover.
August 8th, 2005 at 1:48 pmTrust me, the CIA and WSJ will call you a hero.
#30 – “Novak got it directly from the CIA”
If that’s true, the CIA are the biggest bunch of morons for outing their own agent and then asking the DoJ to investigate.
August 8th, 2005 at 1:48 pmKarl,
Just because your wingnut, mouthpiece radio hero is a shameless, hypocritical drug addict doesn’t mean you have to blindly follow his lead. Check yourself into a rehab….stat!
August 8th, 2005 at 1:51 pmDavid Corn works for the government. he is a dis-information agent. he gets paid for it. i shit you not. David Corn is not to be trusted with his “liberal” charade.
August 8th, 2005 at 1:53 pmSources #39?
August 8th, 2005 at 1:54 pmKarl,
David Corn (not Korn) has debunked this smear weeks ago – it was an intentional propaganda lie made up in the lie factories of the NeoCONArtists…
Please read davidcorn.com and he has all of the original stories linked, and a complete breakdown of the lie. The fact that you tell a lie repeatedly doesn’t make it true, but it does make you a republican!
August 8th, 2005 at 1:55 pmKarl,
You miss the point – that identifying a CIA operative to the press IS identifying them to the public unless that press person was ‘cleared’. The fact that the press person then knowingly ’spread’ this information, makes them part of the conspiracy – especially if they knew they were committing an act of sedition as appears to be the case.
August 8th, 2005 at 1:58 pmOf course in “The Lies of George Bush”, David Corn chronicles the history of GWBush bullshit and skullduggery from his early days to present. That automatically qualifies David Corn as more credible than 98% of the journalists in D.C.
August 8th, 2005 at 1:58 pmSkid:
“a journalist wouldn’t be able to obtain the information without a memeber of the admin. with security clearance to leak it to them in the first place.”
You forget that Judy Miller could plausibly have described Valerie Plame as an anonymous administration official in her WMD reporting. That’s one piece of the puzzle we may never know unless Judy Miller chooses to enlighten us. But it is a realistic possiblity that leaves room for reasonable doubt as to whether any other administration source was involved.
The NY Times and other MSM outlets don’t want to lose their anonymous government sources. That’s probably why Judy Miller is sitting in jail right now, despite the fact that she never wrote an article about Valerie Plame and the Wilson mission to Niger. And that’s probably why, absent proof of an actual crime, they won’t support your anti-Bush jihad on this issue. From their point of view, they have a whole lot more at stake than to worry about Joe Wilson or Valerie Plame.
August 8th, 2005 at 1:58 pmthe guy who does that column “liberal media” or whatever, i forget his name, is about the only good thing about “The Nation”. David Corn is a jackass.
August 8th, 2005 at 1:58 pmKR
do you have something more credible then the natinal review?
a legitamite news service would be good, say NPR or BBC.
Thanks
August 8th, 2005 at 1:59 pmEric Alterman i believe his name is.
August 8th, 2005 at 2:00 pmOn a side note, speaking of D.C. journalists, what’s up with Charles Krauthammer? Can that really be his name or do you suppose he wanted to have it changed from something less flattering and Nazichoker was already taken.
August 8th, 2005 at 2:12 pmi cant believe Krauthammer actually took his lips off of Bushs ass for long enough to speak out against his backing of teaching “intelligent design” in schools.that kind of took me by surprise. hes still a jackass though.
August 8th, 2005 at 2:20 pmWhat does “declassified soon” mean, Karl?
August 8th, 2005 at 2:20 pmJay:
I know Charles Krauthammer. Charles Krauthammer is a friend of mine. And Charles Krauthammer is just glad that he’s not Jay.
August 8th, 2005 at 2:21 pmYou people can’t handle the truth!
August 8th, 2005 at 2:22 pmHaha, and Jay is just as glad that he’s not….oh never mind.
Seriously though, Charles Krauthammer is ceritifiably insane. A dangerous man. No offense Mr. Rove.
August 8th, 2005 at 2:23 pmJay:
I can’t believe you would describe a guy who is permanently confined to a wheelchair as dangerous. Are you really that afraid of the man’s ideas?
August 8th, 2005 at 2:26 pm#44,
That’s quite the stretch as far as theories go KR. What happened to “fact”?
August 8th, 2005 at 2:27 pmwhat does his wheelchair have to do wih anything? your very slow Karl, try and keep up. i know you righties like to divert, but we are not the mainstream media here. sorry.
August 8th, 2005 at 2:27 pm#54- Like Max Cleveland, KR?
August 8th, 2005 at 2:28 pm“Declassified soon”? “Fair game”? What kind of remarks are these?
August 8th, 2005 at 2:29 pmSomeone who states that something will be declassified soon KNOWS that something is classified, No?
August 8th, 2005 at 2:30 pmOkay, I’ll apologize for all of us…
Bob… I’m sorry you’re such a flaming jackass…
There. Happy now?
August 8th, 2005 at 2:31 pmKarl Rove…you are crazy too, but ok, I’ll play along. Ideas, whether they come in the form of an able-bodied, angry lunatic like John Bolton, a multiple heart-attack sufferer like Dick Cheney, or a man that cannot ride a bike or swallow a pretzel without crashing or choking, often supersede the man and his physical being.
In other words, I don’t care if he’s a popsicle, he’s a dangerous hack that poses as an authority on the sanity of politicians as he assesses their worthiness for office from a safe distance. As a clinical (psychologist/psychiatrist?) he should know better than to play that game in the pages of a prominent newspaper.
August 8th, 2005 at 2:35 pmPaul Hackett today on Diane Rehm: (paraphrase)
-”critical” is the polite way of describing how officers describe Bush use of military.
-(Officers) don’t know what they are being “asked to accomplish” in Iraq, and don’t have a picture of the “end state”.
-It’s important to realize that Bush has made dissent unpatriotic.
August 8th, 2005 at 2:37 pmHow great an American is Paul Hackett? This guy should run again in a less rightwing district. We need politicians with courage in D.C now more than ever. Lets get behind this guy!
August 8th, 2005 at 2:39 pmJay
August 8th, 2005 at 2:43 pmWind blowing around is Hackett for Senate in 06. Let’s encourage the good candidates!
It’s important to realize that Bush has made dissent unpatriotic. Paul Hackett actually said this? wow, im impressed. you know why hes so good? because hes not a politician. which is also,sadly, why he will probably never win. im no conspiracy theorist, but it WAS Ohio, and he did only lose by 4,000 votes. makes you think.
August 8th, 2005 at 2:44 pmYes Citizen, I suppose we should be putting our $ where our mouths are on Hackett and anyone else that’s willing to call the lies as he see’s them. I may not be able to donate much to his cause, but a whole bunch of grass-roots “not much” adds up. If he has a website that’s taking donations for his next candidacy, I’m sending $20 right now.
August 8th, 2005 at 2:47 pmSwingstateproject and Actblue fund Hackett.
August 8th, 2005 at 2:51 pmChris,
Amen buddy. I thought the same exact thing when I saw how close that race was (OK, I was suspicious before the election even got under way). Until we are GUARANTEED that all of our votes are being counted, every one of us should be VERY suspicious! There is no question that election fraud is taking place on a pretty grand scale, and I’ve been saying it for months, this means democracy is dead. We’ll have to fight like hell to get it back.
August 8th, 2005 at 2:51 pmI still want to know what Karl has to say about “declassified soon”. I’m done.
August 8th, 2005 at 2:54 pmYes Jay, the only way is to belly up, I gave $120 because I could afford it. Problem is who are the candidates with backbone and who are the spineless DLC candidates?
August 8th, 2005 at 2:57 pmCliff May is the stupidest wanker around. NRO? Please. Nobody here reads that trash. That rag is crap now. They should have remained true to their conservative ideals.
The Spy Left Out in the Cold
By JOHN H. RICHARDSON
IT was a national scandal, the first of its kind. A senior C.I.A. officer was exposed in the United States press by a “high official source.” The story shot from newspaper to newspaper. The officer lost his job and went into hiding.
Six days later, with a conservative Republican leading the charge, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee grilled the secretary of defense, demanding a point-by-point refutation of the anonymous charges against the officer in the news media. The senators were also upset about the war that was starting. Why was the United States “going it alone, getting only token assistance from other countries”?
Soon a Democratic senator named Thomas Dodd made the fight bipartisan, demanding action against the “official source” behind the leak. “The official who was guilty of giving out this story to the press was himself guilty of violating the rules of security as well as the ethics that should govern relations between government departments,” Dodd said. The official, the senator said, “should be identified and dismissed.”
The year was 1963. The exposed C.I.A. officer was my father, John H. Richardson.
read it…
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/07/opinion/07richardson.html?pagewanted=print
August 8th, 2005 at 3:01 pmdidnt the results come in late or go longer than expected to? just a thought.
August 8th, 2005 at 3:01 pmBrian, you nitwit, that wasn’t me, it was the other Karl.
August 8th, 2005 at 3:05 pmDumb Fox:
“If that’s true, the CIA are the biggest bunch of morons for outing their own agent and then asking the DoJ to investigate.”
Now you’re catching on!
August 8th, 2005 at 3:07 pmChris
August 8th, 2005 at 3:08 pmYes, the witch’s home precinct was last to report which is SOP for the GOP, wait until all precincts report then reoprt your strongholds.
more anger. thanks Citizen,hahahahaha. anyone else feel hopeless?
August 8th, 2005 at 3:10 pmJesus Karl
August 8th, 2005 at 3:11 pmGive up the lame ass handle and keep up with the thread. Once again your a cat puking then having seconds.
I can’t believe you would describe a guy who is permanently confined to a wheelchair as dangerous. Are you really that afraid of the man’s ideas?
Comment by Karl Rove  August 8, 2005 @ 2:26 pm
Fact is stranger than fiction… life imitates art… Dr. Strangelove
August 8th, 2005 at 3:16 pmnarc:
“The year was 1963. The exposed C.I.A. officer was my father, John H. Richardson.”
Let’s assume all the contents of this article are true, and not just a case of the son trying to fulfill his father’s shattered dream. What does the exposure of a “senior CIA officer” in 1963 have to do with the price of peas today?
After all, those were the “Camelot” years, weren’t they?
August 8th, 2005 at 3:17 pmProblem is who are the candidates with backbone and who are the spineless DLC candidates?
A good test is to look at candidates’ positions on the issues. The candidates who’ll come out for widthdrawl from Iraq, for single-payer health care, and against corporate-favored trade agreements are the ones with backbones.
August 8th, 2005 at 3:18 pmGary
August 8th, 2005 at 3:22 pmI agree with looking at the positions, but it would be nice to have a clearing house list at one or more blogs. Pure laziness I suppose but it would give good or bad exposure to the blog community at large.
Karl,
Why don’t you call me anymore, Karl?
P.S. you left your wallet at my house.
August 8th, 2005 at 3:28 pmKarl,
I would love to “sparring” with you but I have a refridgerator to defrost. It’s frost free but I’d like to try it anyway. One pointless exercise is as good as another.
August 8th, 2005 at 3:29 pmFrom the Owl Farm -
Karl, you Nazi bastard!
I told you this would happen.
August 8th, 2005 at 3:35 pmNow you can reap the whirlwind, Bubba!
This guy could use your help, Karl.
http://mydd.com/story/2005/8/8/114436/2537
Even though it would be an exercise in futility, like defrosting a frost free fridge, or engaging you in discourse. Your juvenile sophistry belies your correspondence course law degree, or your parents made a large endowment to the school in question.
August 8th, 2005 at 3:35 pm“I can’t believe you would describe a guy who is permanently confined to a wheelchair as dangerous. Are you really that afraid of the man’s ideas?”
Hey wait a minute, wasn’t FDR in wheelchair and isn’t it his New Deal that the Republicans are so angry about/afraid of? Talk about irony.
August 8th, 2005 at 3:38 pmBillmon’s post about the recent Ohio election is a must read:
http://billmon.org/archives/002073.html
Vote/election issues…
catch them all at http://www.bradblog.com/
August 8th, 2005 at 3:40 pmHey wait a minute, wasn’t FDR in wheelchair and isn’t it his New Deal that the Republicans are so angry about/afraid of? Talk about irony.
Jay! You funny!
August 8th, 2005 at 3:40 pmwe’ve defended him while the rest of the press corps has assailed him for doing his job and breaking the news about Valerie Plame’s role in getting her husband Joe Wilson a job as a CIA consultant
The lies just come fast and furious, don’t they? What kind of a “job” is it that doesn’t pay you a nickel, lasts a week, and has you spend that time basking in the dust-baked Famine Capital of the World? And as we know, Novak’s scoop about Valerie’s “role” in getting her husband this wonderful, non-paying week-long “job” in one of the worst hellholes on the planet was dead wrong about everything except the fact that she was an undercover CIA operative.
Do those slimy wankers who run the WSJ editorial page cackle like Dr. Moriarty as they write these blatant falsehoods?
August 8th, 2005 at 4:11 pmMan, we need the rajun cajun back in competitive politics, heh? James, pick a candidiate and get ready for ‘08!
August 8th, 2005 at 5:08 pmNovak, what a joke. We’re supposed to be teaching our children how to behave and control themselves and this is how Novak and the Journal suggest we do it. LOL!
Don’t you dare let your children play video games that include sex and violence. Instead have them cuss and throw a tantrum when anyone disagrees with them….Good job Novak, your as wonderful as Cheney. I’ll be sure to tell all the children to behave like a Novak/Cheney. NOT!
August 8th, 2005 at 5:47 pmThe WSJ defends a treasonous act by Novak. They overlook his profanity on television. They blame the “liberal” media.
August 8th, 2005 at 5:52 pmOhmigod- they just don’t see what fools they are, do they? They should just report on stocks and dividends, mergers and acquisitions and let the editorial board go on a long walk off a short pier with Paul Gigot.
“Last week, the Justice Department issued a new indictment of Lawrence Franklin, the Pentagon official accused of passing secrets to officials of AIPAC, the pro-Israel lobbying outfit. The indictment is bad news for the Bush White House and Karl Rove.”
Finito!
August 8th, 2005 at 6:00 pm“(Franklin worked with Douglas Feith, who until recently was a senior Pentagon official close to the neocons.) The Franklin indictment is a sign that Rove and any other White House aide involved in the Plame/CIA leak might be vulnerable to prosecution under the Espionage Act.”
August 8th, 2005 at 6:01 pmKarl,
August 8th, 2005 at 6:02 pm“Special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald–who is not involved in the Franklin prosecution–has not had to state publicly what sort of case he is trying to build in the Plame/CIA leak matter. The most obvious one would be based on the charge that the leaker violated the Intelligence Identities Protection Act. But that law was narrowly drawn, and to win a conviction Fitzgerald would have to prove that Rove or any other leaker knew that Valerie Wilson was working under cover at the CIA. There are, however, other laws under which Fitzgerald might charge the CIA/Plame leakers. The Franklin indictment points the way. (And criminal law aside, by sharing classified information with at least two reporters–Valerie Wilson’s employment at the CIA was classified–Rove committed an offense that violated various rules and would get most government workers seriously punished or dismissed.)”
Rove, like Franklin, had to sign SF-312. As Rep. Henry Waxman noted in a short report he released on the Rove leak, this nondisclosure agreement states, “I will never divulge classified information to anyone” unauthorized to receive such information. Rove broke that vow. And Executive Order 12958–which Bush updated on March 25, 2003– says that “officers and employees of the United States Government…shall be subject to appropriate sanctions if they knowingly, willfully, or negligently…disclose to unauthorized persons information properly classified.
August 8th, 2005 at 6:05 pmBut worse for Rove–from a legal perspective–is section 793. Rove did communicate classified information which could be used “to the injury of the United States” to a person “not entitled to receive it.” The information was the identity of an undercover intelligence official working on anti-WMD operations. Such information could be used to thwart or undermine past or present CIA operations and assets connected to Valerie Wilson. The persons “not entitled” to received this info were Robert Novak and Matt Cooper (and perhaps there were more).
August 8th, 2005 at 6:06 pmI think it’s the espionage act karl has to worry about.
August 8th, 2005 at 6:53 pmDo these people EVER EVER EVER take responsibility for their own actions?????????
August 8th, 2005 at 7:22 pmThe WSJ is trying to cover up a crime by a rightwing republican and it’s not going to work. No matter how much they cry it won’t stop the special prosecutor from doing his work and trying to convict the criminal who outed the CIA Agent. I am a former Army soldier who had a security clearance and I know the rules concerning secret information. You cannot even given top secret information to another soldier who doesn’t have a high enough clearance. They must first have the proper level of clearance and then must “Have a need to know”.
All of the crying the the world won’t help Rove and anyone else who broke security protocols. Remember during WWII the saying,”Lose lips, sinks ships”, well someone’s ship is going to get sunk. Torpedos are to fast for ships, so all of the political trash talking won’t do any good. I’d advise anyone who isn’t in trouble now to abandon ship while they still can and tell the truth. Lying to a Grand Jury is not joking matter.
August 8th, 2005 at 7:24 pmThe WSJ has always been a Rag who’s readers are the so called Investor class. Oddly they think they can write News as well including opinionated columns. These folks at the WSJ are crackers. Or, squawk boxed who are few crackers by the rich and powerful. As I see it they are all beginning to smell the diarreah running down the legs of the Republican heirarchy. I know this to be a truth because a lot of my Bush Supporter neighbors who cackled whenever I called Bush corrupt are now strangely becoming silent. whassup doc?
August 8th, 2005 at 7:51 pmThis is too easy. All I have to do is write a few graphs in the morning, and pretty soon you jerks are all gathered around in a circle. Don’t get any on ya!
August 8th, 2005 at 8:11 pmOpen wide, Karl.
August 8th, 2005 at 8:23 pmKR, You must be in that “other reality” that the rest of us don’t live in. Why would you say that Miller was consulting with Valerie Plame for information on WMD for her proposed article? The actual facts – since admitted by W – are that Valerie Plame knew there were no WMD in Iraq. If, in fact, Miller consulted with V.P. and still asserted there were WMD just add her to the list of liars. How can you refute what W said if you believe he is truthful? Miller is covering her own rear, and probably feels safer in jail!
August 8th, 2005 at 10:22 pmAll Karl does is confirm my beliefs about what the majority here say………keep talking Karl.You’re turning republicans to democrats quickly.You even have the Bush arrogance.
August 8th, 2005 at 10:38 pmliberal media…. did I just read that on this article?
liberal media my azz! No such thing, I checked. All I found was white-OUT house talking heads except for
Faux News… just outright loud mouthed closed minded repugnicans.
As for KKKarl I think he WEARS THE BLUE DRESS these days.
August 9th, 2005 at 12:07 amGo look at http//citizenspook.blogspot.com/ and see what “real” patriot Novak is. Seems to me that Fitzgerald may have the evidence to have him executed as a traitor.
August 9th, 2005 at 2:50 amListen Karl Rove,
Whether or not a journalist knows Plames identity or not is inconcequential. Rove confirmed it. Rove is supposed to say “I cannot speak about clasified matters of national security with the media”. He cannot say “Yep! That’s her!” Like he did. You really want someone like that in the White House? Holy crap-ola!
Rove, if you stumbled upon classified information and went and asked somebody with clearance if it was true, do you really expect them to say “Well, you got us! What you say is true!” Of course not.
It’s okay, you don’t have to keep towing this party line to save face. That’s all you’re doing at this point because they are all so guilty and they will be lucky not to all go to jail for high crimes. This is the worst ever in American history and you think it’s “cool”. You can’t possibly be this fearful and cowardly of an individual.
August 9th, 2005 at 8:48 amSome MORON named Karl Rove said “What remains indisputable is that it was a journalist, not an administration official, who brought this information to light.”
Maybe if you didn’t drop out of college, you would see that Novak published KARL ROVE’s aforementioned LEAK.
Novak can NOT leak classified information he is not privy to…….. Rove broke the American People’s trust, then Novak, the idiot he is….. put it in print…. saying Novak is a traitor is giving him too much credit….. he is obviously a moron…..thought it would be “hard-hitting” as opposed the treason it was….
Don
August 9th, 2005 at 9:34 am“Carville is lucky he didn’t get punched in the nose.â€? Yeah,…. you go attempt to punch an Ex-Marine in the nose & see what happens. We’ll teach you a new definition of “Lucky”. “Lucky” ; yeah, right.
August 9th, 2005 at 11:25 am#102 MisterB, LOL!
August 9th, 2005 at 11:34 amComment # 1: the WSJ is the biggest joke in journalism.
Wrong. There are 2 distinct WSJ’s. The WSJ is typically filled with fine reporting, which their Editorial Page insists on ignoring or distorting.
August 9th, 2005 at 12:25 pmAH, Bob…You’re our little miracle…A true douchebag for liberty…..
August 9th, 2005 at 12:30 pmSo what was Karl Rove thinking when he shared this juicy little piece of classified information with a member of the press? That they were just buddies shootin’ the breeze? I don’t think so.
August 9th, 2005 at 12:41 pmIgnorance. All the knee-jerk defenses from the republicans on this issue are a result of their ignorance. Of course, ignorance is what makes them republicans to begin with.
August 9th, 2005 at 12:47 pmI’ll remember this just in case I ever get weak and think I want to subscribe to WSJ.
August 9th, 2005 at 2:04 pmNovak is nothing if not contemptible, but what of Carville? The guy sleeps with Cheney’s chief enforcer. He’s the stock broker that takes your money on the way up, then takes it again on the way back down. He wins whether winning or loosing. He’s the agent that wines and dines the buyer, while representing the seller’s interests. He deftly plays good cop to Novak’s bad one. He’s half the con. Both sides of the coin are “tails.”
I mean, Biden is currently running around telling the country Democrats are too weak to present a ticket without a Republican, McCain. The abject failures of Bush have handed Dems everything they need on a silver platter and still they won’t fight. So pervasive has this become that it cannot possibly be viewed as inept, and can only be viewed as by design. Clearly the party is taking a dive.
August 9th, 2005 at 3:37 pm[...] The Wall Street Journal editorial page has taken time out of its busy Novak-defending schedule to attack the state of Wisconsin: Texas, Georgia and even Mississippi have all passed tort reform to improve their economies and stop the exodus of doctors. But now bidding to take their place as a favorite trial lawyer destination is the previously sensible state of Wisconsin, led by its Supreme Court. [...]
August 9th, 2005 at 4:18 pmKR is among those whose support for the P-resident is faith based…not factual.
Fact: Novak, in his original column fingured two high ranking administration sources for his Plame information…not another journalist or the CIA.
Fact: Matthew Cooper has insisted Rove was the man who gave him the information regarding Plame’s job…in direct opposition to Rove’s insinuation that Cooper himself was the source. Perhaps KR thinks Cooper perjured himself.
Fact: Fitzgerald has jailed a journalist in an investigation of a criminal matter.
Fact: The Corn peice KR insists is the true “outing” of Plame occurred after the infamous Novak column. It is true that Novak did not say “Valerie Wilson/Plame is a CIA agent.” He DID say Joe Wilson’s wife is a CIA agent. It was common knowledge that Joe Wilson’s wife is Valerie Wilson. It is not common knowledge that Valerie Wilson works for the CIA. By linking those two things Novak blew her cover…and whoever gave Novak that information committed an act of treason.
All of the right wing talking points have been thourougly debunked to everybody but a faith based rightwinger. The rightwingers will never accept truth, of course, but I still enjoy beating them with it. As my grandfather used to say, “It’s like beating a dead mule. It doesn’t get much done, but it feels soooo good wile your doing it.”
August 9th, 2005 at 4:44 pmJudy Miller is doing her imitation of Jesus, by going to her crucifixion to save the sins of others. We know, however, that she will reap much more than Mr. Christ, who bled to death, only to revive himself three days later. Unfortunately NYT wasn’t there, nor any other journalists for that matter, so we only have to take the words of those who say they were witness to it.
August 9th, 2005 at 10:48 pmImagine the book deals those disciples could have had; but nothing like what Judy Judas will reap once she answers the question: “lord, was it I, to take the blame for Plame?”
Maybe she’ll write a sermon from the news room, with an introduction from Cindy Sheehan, who just might be standing by with a spear to open a few wounds.
If No-vacuum was a democrat, they would be telling the world how bad the media is for only asking him to take some time off. They certianly would not be sticking up for him.
And if the democrat no-vacuum had punched someone in the nose (a REPUG), they would fully expect him to be executed publicly for treason.
more ms-bs-m
August 18th, 2005 at 12:43 pm