“An unprecedented 57% majority
By on Aug 9th, 2005 at 10:07 am
“An unprecedented 57% majority
say the war has made the USA more vulnerable to terrorism,” USA Today reports. “A new low, 34%, say it has made the country safer.”
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I don’t care.
August 9th, 2005 at 10:16 amI is the prezident and you ain’t.
Comment by George W. Bush – August, 9, 2005.
August 9th, 2005 at 10:17 amI’m sure we’ll start hearing the mantra “Bush doesn’t listen to polls” – Just like he doesn’t fall off a bike regularly.
When the polls are good for you, quote ‘em, when they are bad for you act like they don’t exist. “Lalalalalala”
August 9th, 2005 at 10:20 amAll this analysis is treasonous and is undermining our efforts to take the war to the enemy. I assure you if the United States is attacked again the blame will fall squarely on the backs of liberals.
August 9th, 2005 at 10:21 amPaul Hackett yersterday on Diane Rehm: (paraphrase)
-�critical� is the polite way of describing how officers describe Bush use of military.
-(Officers) don’t know what they are being “asked to accomplish� in Iraq, and don’t have a picture of the “end state�.
-It’s important to realize that Bush has made dissent unpatriotic.
August 9th, 2005 at 10:24 amWe’re waiting Georgie… why can’t you explain to Cindy Sheehan exactly what you meant by “noble cause”?? She right there, just outside your ranch. Just don’t ride into her on your bike.
August 9th, 2005 at 10:50 amThe War on Terra is a lose/lose proposition for the Mercan people. A Win/Win fur us portant people in our bunkers countin’ the money. We can’t lose.
August 9th, 2005 at 11:05 amWhy isn’t there thousands of people standing side by side with Cindy Sheehan?
During the Viet Nam war citizens were willing to risk arrest to be heard.
Of course back then the President wasn’t using renditions for civilians.
Is that it? Is everybody too chicken to protest with Cindy? Are you afraid of ending up in Egypt to be tortured?
August 9th, 2005 at 11:09 amOr is it because you can’t find the time between the 3 jobs you hold?
August 9th, 2005 at 11:10 amBetween holding 3 jobs and the price of gas to drive down to Crawford, Bush’s plan to keep protestors away is working nicely.
August 9th, 2005 at 11:16 amWho wants to go to Texas in August? I don’t.
August 9th, 2005 at 11:17 am#5 – I’m sure Cindy would appreciate being run into by Georgie’s bike. At least it would be a response. Is our imperious leader so dense that he can’t figure out that by going out and speaking with her, he would diffuse the whole situation? Ok, nevermind…
August 9th, 2005 at 11:24 amDefine “safer”. This is more MSM push polling to hurt the war effort. It didn’t work last year and it won’t work this year. We should be dealing with facts.
We haven’t been attacked since the war started (YET). We are in Iraq until some stablility is formed – could be years. AND voters have consistently proved MSM polls WRONG.
But, of course these are facts – something people in this blog have trouble grasping.
August 9th, 2005 at 11:28 amI think it is the other way around. Polls are timeley and specific and prove the flawed superficial vote wrong.
August 9th, 2005 at 11:32 amI see NeD,
when confronted with facts, in this case that a majority of the american public is unhappy with the war in Iraq you throw hyperbole around instead of facts then accuse the “liberal media, and then you add an insult. Please show a poll that shows stronger support of the war if this poll is just wrong.
August 9th, 2005 at 11:38 am“Define ‘Safer’”, NED?
August 9th, 2005 at 11:40 amYou’re a piece of work, NED. Don’t forget the seat, NED.
Dilemma, you’re the minority, deal with it already. I will agree with you that we haven’t been attacked since 9-11 and that is good. The fact that you refuse to acknowledge though, is that we were attacked under Bushies watch. Duh. One attack was one too many and your loser leader is soley responsible. (Nor did he get off his ass while it was happening) Deal with that fact! How many times was America attacked under Clintons leadership?
Did anyone see that CNN is now profiling each and every dead American soldier? It’s about time they have become “reality” t.v.
August 9th, 2005 at 11:42 amSusan – We were attacked in 1993 under Clinton and he did nothing. Our embassies were attacked overseas. But, that’s not even the point. Blaming everything on Bush is not constructive. He will be gone in three years and we’ll have the same problems. 9/11 was a huge failure of our entire govt – it was in place way before W ever showed up. What are we doing to make it better is the question? You state the war makes us less safer, I am not sure I agree. We haven’t been safe for sometime, we just didn’t realize it.
Kranzy – polls are not fact. GOP controlling the govt is FACT. If you want to hang your head on one poll a week after Americans saw alot bloodshed in Iraq, feel free. And Bush’s poll numbers are stubbornly holding at 45% – still very good for what this country faces right now.
August 9th, 2005 at 11:49 amCNN needs filler, Susan. They lost their only good show “Inside Politics”, AND the freakshow Novak.
August 9th, 2005 at 11:49 amSusan, the lack of protest is mostly thanks to the MSM. If there were 10,000 with Cindy in Crawford, the news wouldn’t report it. So the protesters feel more vulnerable and that no one cares anyway.
Kindness, who want to go to Texass period?
NED, 10 to 20 years will tell if we are safer. My prediction is more of the same with many more oppressed countries involved. And yes Virginia, they will have nukes thanks to Iran or Pakistan.
August 9th, 2005 at 11:52 amInteresting that so many ‘mericans feel this way about King George Il’s campaign against terror.
It gives me hope that, in spite of the MSM and the Konservative media loudmouths, people are capable of understanding what’s really going on.
August 9th, 2005 at 11:52 am#20 – you’re half right. People do understand what’s going on and that’s why liberals have no power right now. You cannot trust people who hate their President more than they hate terrorists to run this country.
August 9th, 2005 at 11:55 amNow I know your a freak, please describe the attack Dilemma.
If polls are not facts then the polls that suggested the Presidential race would be close were way off huh? Now convince me that a 3 million advantage to Bushie in a country of 300 million is not close.
You keep dreaming about the GOP control. Can you say 2006? You will lose that control and your fellow Republicans know it thats why they are all flip flopping at this very moment. Look at your buddy Santorum, flip flop.
August 9th, 2005 at 11:55 am#22 – it’s early to be saying anythign about 2006.
AND Susan – the WTC was attacked in 1993. You might want to open a history book when you get a chance. Please stop hating Bush – it’s sad and pathetic.
August 9th, 2005 at 11:57 am#21 – What? Are you always this obtuse?
August 9th, 2005 at 11:57 am#24 – are you always this hateful?
August 9th, 2005 at 11:59 amNortheast Dumdass
August 9th, 2005 at 12:00 pmFunny how hating Dear Leader is one of your talking points. Remember Clinton and the hate from the crying cat bitches on the right? Quit crying and get ready to be the minority again.
The next time I hear “we’re fahtin’ them over they-ah so we don’t have to faht them over hee-ah” – I’m going postal. What was Madrid, London, Ankara, Jakarta, Bali? Do the allies of the US count for nothing but targets?
NED, I appreciate your only fact – there have been no more terror attacks on US soil – but your argument is similar to that of why we shouldn’t worry about meteors/comets. I have not had a car accident ever, should I get rid of my insurance – I don’t need it right?
And have any of the perps of the anthrax attack ever been caught? Nope. How about OBL? Apparently your pal Rummy let him get away: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8853000/site/newsweek/ So your single fact is washed away by dozens of facts from the reality-based community.
Now there are some other facts we could use, such as how the number of worldwide terror attacks have gone up exponentially since Iraq (not since 9-11), but since Iraq, but then the State Dept refuses to release the numbers, same as they refuse to count dead Iraqi and Afghan civilians, or Americans detained without charge. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/04/26/AR2005042601623.html
Here’s a goody: apparently there were WMD in Iraq in 1986 – check Weinberger’s pockets, he’s probably still got the reciept: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1726745,00.html
Iran-Iraq war – gassing of Kurds and yet US sells Saddam nasty stuff anyway – one man’s terrorist is another man’s friendly anthrax salesman.
August 9th, 2005 at 12:00 pmTorture,Iraq civilian deaths,rendition,lying about WMD,lying about the true purpose of the war,publicized comments by U.S. war hawks, depleted uranium pollution etc. etc. etc.have made us more vulnerable to terrorism.
August 9th, 2005 at 12:01 pm“Please stop hating Bush” Hilarious!!!
August 9th, 2005 at 12:02 pmAgain, NED. Illogical to associate the 2 hatreds.
#26 – the right took their anger out on Clinton at the polls. We made sure he had no Congress so he couldn’t govern from the left. Rather than bitch, we acted. AND we must have done something right considering we’ve maintained those majorites throughout Clintons’ second term.
What have you done? NOTHING. Why – because your invective has clouded your judgement. You lose, asshole.
August 9th, 2005 at 12:04 pmI wish dubya would have stayed in Afganistan and gone after the leaders of Al Queda in the hinterlands of Afganistan/Pakistan.
Do you realize that for the $1 billion dollars a week ( USA Today )we are spending on the Iraq war we could have given each and every person in Afganistan ( 21-26 million ) over $2000 a piece? Now these numbers are decieving because other sites list the costs of Iraq as high as $186 billion . That would give each and every afgani a whoping $7153. I’ll bet they would sure like us a whole lot more if we had done that instead of invade Iraq. Not to mention the 1800+ American GI’s dead and god knows how many Iraqis.
August 9th, 2005 at 12:04 pmNeD,
simply put the republicans are losing ground. you can yell about polls not meaning anything, or liberals hate the president more then the terrorist, etc.
it does not change current trends. I beleive you are nervous about the loss that is about to be inflicted in the upcoming years on the republican party. there hubris will destroy them.
August 9th, 2005 at 12:06 pmoh yea – ne dementia – get a life. You suck.
August 9th, 2005 at 12:06 pmIt is debatable whether there have been no more atacks on U.S. soil. It is believed by some that several aviation accidents, train derailments and various explosions have been the work of terrorists. They have been covered up in order to give this administration control OVER terrorism, thus the population. Terrorism pirated and used as a tool.
August 9th, 2005 at 12:09 pm#32 – you may be right. But, people have to accept Democrats as the alternate and that’s not going to happen easier. With Howard Dean, Hillary, John Kerry, NARAL, the ACLU at the helm – GOOD LUCK. Liberal is a dirty word and it doesn’t matter how bad Bush is off, red state voters in Missouri and Ohio will give pause to these type of leaders.
Also note that the GOP had a positive plan in 1994 when they took back Congress. What yours? No one in this blog has been able to answer that.
August 9th, 2005 at 12:10 pmIt doesn’t matter what Bush’s poll numbers are. If they get any lower, or perhaps now even, we’ll be seeing him give pep talks to the soldiers probably in Fort Hood. We’ll be temporarily appeased, and he’ll continue on. Look for him when Iraq agrees on a constitution. It is also high time for our Democratic leaders come up with a plan. If you’re stuck in a hole, do you gripe, or climb out?
August 9th, 2005 at 12:10 pmNorthEastDelusional,
Not only did clinton do things after 1993, but because of the intensity of efforts against terrorism the millenium bomber was caught before he could act. Clarke was meeting with Clinton daily to discuss terrorism. There were no other AlQueda acts on american soil under clinton after the first – only the Cole was struck in a foreign port.
The Clinton administration informed Bush that he would need to remain vigilent to prevent more attacks – they blew him off in favor of fighting the war on drugs. They reversed priorities and resources and 9/11 happened.
Not only is declaring ‘Clinton Did Nothing’ a big lie, but it also rejects the countless efforts of law enforcement, FBI, CIA under Clinton who kept your undeserving ass safe! It was the current dumbass that reassigned resources and disregarded the risks recklessly, and if the 9/11 commission hadn’t been headed by a partisan hack its conclusions would have matched the facts which clearly state this irresponsibility.
This is american security you idiot – put aside your partisan blinders and recognize a good versus bad job when you see them. You can’t be that self absorbed and stupid – at least one would hope!
August 9th, 2005 at 12:12 pmNED,
August 9th, 2005 at 12:13 pmYour faith in the presidential office is as if he has some devine guidance and cannot be wrong. Bush43 is only a man of ordinary intelligence. He has diplayed many faults that make the majority begin to question if he is fit to serve. Most importantly, he is not the president for all, he cares nothing of the 49% who did not vote for him, the common middle class, or anyone below the 200K/year salary level. He is merely a puppet for the neocon interests, he does what they tell him and when they tell him. He is devoid of compassion, critical thinking, and leadership. Your devotion is shameful you are a traitor of democracy.
Another clear indication that the Republicans are flip flopping… Guess who just called me…The Chicago Tribune, a republican newspaper who endorsed Bushie. They want to interview my husband and I about our “liberal” cause. Go figure.
To Dilemma, I hardly call the 93 bombing an attack on America. The plot failed.
August 9th, 2005 at 12:17 pm“But, people have to accept Democrats as the alternate and that’s not going to happen easier. ”
NorthEastDelusional,
Under independent polls the majority of americans prefer the platform and values of the democratic party over those of the republican party. Kerry had a 3% lead in the polls before the election. Bush has the highest disapproval rating of any president in history.
If the voting machines give printed receipts for the ACTUAL VOTES – you’ll see how much koolaid you’ve actually drunk. Your side just tells its loyal minions this old line so you don’t have to believe that you’re in fact partcipating in an unpopular coup… As for platform, I’ve never seen the republicans actually exercise the one you campaign on. Even the campaign for lower taxes were a lie to the middle class who now must pay a ‘required minimum’ under bush – and whose taxes just went up… You guys campaign on lots of lies – america knows this – only you don’t know that america knows this because you’re in a self sustaining echo chamber of the dunces…
August 9th, 2005 at 12:17 pmNortheast Dumdass
August 9th, 2005 at 12:28 pmAt least we can agree that the Dems need a platform. We progressive ratpack dems are in the process of taking our party back from the repug lite folks and it will happen. The Republican party has been years ahead of us in organizing and pushing agendas but we are rapidly catching up. Your party’s problem is has been totally jacked by neogod whack jobs who are so far out in stupid land that they may sigle handedly hand us the majority back in 2006 without a platform.
Your right on obvious. I live in a republican county and Kerry recieved 44% of the vote. That is the highest percent a democrat has ever recieved in my county. If Kerry got 44% when folks still believed Bushie, if the election was to take place today Kerry’s number would double. I haven’t found one person to date in my county (other than a paranoid, housebound mental case) that will say they are happy with Bushie’s performance.
The same results are coming out in a republican stronghold in Ohio too.
August 9th, 2005 at 12:36 pmThe Republicans will be soundly defeated in 2006 federal ‘lections if the voting process isn’t corrupted. I doubt very much if that will happen, so, the Republicans will once again be in the driver’s seat and the rest of the hapless taxslaves will be left standing by the side of the road. big deal.
I thought the mission was accomplished on May 5, 2003?
I could be wrong, but wasn’t that what the banner proclaimed on the USS Lincoln?
How come the then Attorney General, John Ashcroft began flying by charter instead of commercial airline in July of 2001? Anybody have any idea why he would do that?
“America sent you on a mission to remove a grave threat and to liberate an oppressed people, and that mission has been accomplished”
Somehow, George Bush got it all wrong.
I don’t have to like George Bush, I don’t have to hate George Bush. However, he hasn’t done a very good job. Just my objective point of view.
August 9th, 2005 at 12:46 pmFYI Here in TN, we have an awesome candidate to go after Frist. There is major talk about Schiavo down here and there are still a lot of repubs that are pissed off about that. People down here generally vote red, usually, but when it comes down to “minding you own business,” folks down here appreciate it.
GO ROSALIND KURITA
August 9th, 2005 at 12:47 pm#21 – What I hear you saying is that you can’t trust anyone who fails to agree with you and your much sainted King George Il.
Too bad you fail to see that there are many ways to solve a problem. Taking as much money from the US taxpayer as the greedy bastards can is probably the least effective way of fighting ideologies. Eventually people will wake up and realize they’ve been duped. The poll numbers are strongly against you and your ReichWingNut buddies.
Here’s to hoping you wake up soon, NED.
August 9th, 2005 at 12:53 pmI heard frist is considered vunerable by the democrats.
August 9th, 2005 at 1:18 pmEven his constituents are very upset about repubs feeling a need to be in everyone’s personal affairs (Schiavo, of course). Remember, repubs in TN still believe in “state’s rights” that repubs used to spout all the time, and DO NOT approve of what Frist has done. He has really hurt himself here, and no one deserves it more. I see an implosion of ideals happening. There are too many offshoots of repubs now. There are the gun totin’ trailer parkers, the NRA freaks, the uber christian and the fiscally sound. These are fast becomming mutually exclusive from one another. All that pandering to everyone has left them vulnerable. They promised themselves into a hole and now they can’t make everyone happy so they have decided to only please the large corporate contributers – like they planned all along. Even the sheeple down here are getting ner-er-er-vous.
August 9th, 2005 at 1:37 pmSuggested Dem platform for 2006:
- Positive agenda for combating global terrorism, undo Bush quagmire in Iraq
- Positive agenda for Healthcare and Jobs, highlight Republican inaction on these 2 issues.
- Restore ethics to Congress (highlight Delay, Abramoff, Coingate, Bob Ney, Cunningham etc)
August 9th, 2005 at 1:43 pm- Restore honesty (RoveGate perjury, Downing Street Memo, Medicare costs cover-up etc)
- Stop govt intervention in private affairs (Schiavo)
- Highlight Bush agenda failures (Social Security privatization)
- Highlight Bush is dividing Congress by not supporting bipartisan agendas like stem cell research, addressing global warming, and military interrogation standards.
Basically what the republicans promised in 94 and beyond Darth.
August 9th, 2005 at 1:47 pmProgressive and Proud, my brother and his wife just moved to Frist’s district. He won’t have their vote and they WILL BE ACTIVISTS against his campaign.
August 9th, 2005 at 3:18 pmSusan, I have confidence that you will more than adequately represent the “liberal” side to the Bush-supporting Chicago Tribune.
August 9th, 2005 at 3:48 pmGive them my regards — they hear from me very frequently.
#16, Has anyone heard the reknown Rush Lintball criticize the MSM when they dare to report the deaths of Americans in Iraq? It’s unpatriotic and un-American to note that soliders are dying there — it’s just further evidence of the “liberal” press.
August 9th, 2005 at 3:54 pmWhat a drug-addicted dumbass of a commentator.
Rush Limburger: talent on loan from Satan.
August 9th, 2005 at 4:26 pmWe’re more vulnerable all right. We haven’t figured out how to keep our own government from attacking us and blaming it on Iran.
August 9th, 2005 at 5:28 pmSusan, that is exactly what I like to hear! He’s definately alienated many of his constituents. And it couldn’t happen to a more deserving man. Doctor my ass.
August 9th, 2005 at 5:29 pmWhen the Associated Press didn’t write any stories about the downing street memo, and no stories appeared in ANY major newspapers until it finally did – we all got to see that the MSM is nothing more than an outlet for a centralized, highly ‘managed’ and mostly right wing rhetoric. The AP had no problems covering stories within hours about an alleged affair of Kerry’s that turned out to be a fabricated partisan lie – yet it took them weeks to cover a story that clearly proved the administration had fabricated and manipulated evidence to falsely justify an otherwise illegal war… The MSM is nothing more than a press release outlet – they no longer represent journalism or its standards.
August 9th, 2005 at 6:29 pm#56
August 9th, 2005 at 8:20 pmI think the MSM reads the Drudge report and rewrites it under their own masthead. They have become a spineless group of cowards whose owners have sold out for the bottom line.
Northeast Dilemma,
Have you ever killed anyone? Have you ever seen first hand (not in a picture) what a 2,000lb bomb does to a family of five at the dinner table in their own home? Have you ever considered what it would be like to dig through the ruble of what was once your home in a panic to find and help your family only to find the mangled corpses of your wife and children; then have to listen to the leader of the government that committed the act say that the “casualties” (what a polite word for such a horrendous act, wouldn’t you agree?) are regrettable, but are just a part of war?
What would you do if such a thing happened to you and your family? Would the actions that you took be justified in your mind? Would the opinion of others about your actions matter to you?
These are things that our government perpetrates on a daily basis, and they have been doing it for decades, yes even under Clinton. These are the reasons behind the insurgencies in Iraq, these are the reasons that terrorists groups come together. They certainly are NOT coming together because they “hate our freedom.” The only freedom they hate of ours is our freedom to bomb and murder the people of other countries, especially theirs, at will.
There is nothing “casual” about the slaughtering of innocent people, and most of the time, the armies themselves are just as innocent. From the eyes of the terrorists and those that agree with them, the attacks on this country and others like us are justified. The only way to change that is to address their motives. Not to do more of what motivated them in the first place.
Be careful you are not blindly following a government that has told you who they are, and why they do things, without truly investigating for yourself, or listening to the opinions of others.
Chomsky writes: “States are not moral agents.”
August 10th, 2005 at 4:09 pm