Lies, Damn Lies, and Limbaugh’s Press Release About Progressive Radio
Lies, Damn Lies, and Limbaugh’s Press Release About Progressive Radio
Yesterday, Rush Limbaugh, through his radio syndicator Premiere Radio Networks, sent out a press release titled “Limbaugh Leads the Race Against Liberal Talkers,” purportedly comparing his ratings to those of progressive talk stations.
The release lists ratings info for five cities — Austin, Baton Rouge, New Orleans, San Antonio, and Memphis — for Spring 2005 (March 31 to June 22). In two of those cities, New Orleans and Baton Rouge, the stations that Rush claims he “defeated” didn’t switch to the progressive talk format until July 2005 — after the ratings period in question ended. Two of the other comparisons are also misleading. Rush claims to have won the ratings battle in Austin — but the progressive alternative is a low-watt station that broadcasts not out of Austin, but 20 miles away in bustling Pflugersville, Texas. The same is true of Rush’s performance in San Antonio, where the weaker progressive talk station is actually based in suburban Devine, Texas.
In other words, of the 591 stations on which Limbaugh broadcasts, he chose to highlight four where his “victories” are at best misleading, at worst plain dishonest.
The reality is that in several major markets, ratings for progressive talk are booming. In Denver, Air America’s ratings are up 500% from one year ago. “Seattle’s newly talk-formatted KPTK, doubled in the winter [ratings] book, Portland’s KPOJ-AM grew 1000% in audience share. In conservative San Diego, KLSD-AM went up 73%. … Other markets with similar success include: Boston, Phoenix, Minneapolis, Sacramento and Columbus.” Rush is even on the verge of being overtaken in his own home state.
An even more interesting comparison is found when looking at stations with integrated lineups that carry both Rush and a progressive host. In that apples-to-apples comparison, we see that Rush Limbaugh and Ed Schultz are actually very competitive.
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Heavy oxycontin usage messes with your sense of time. Didn’t you know that?
August 10th, 2005 at 5:00 pmThe Pied Piper of Right Wing Propaganda misleads?
(In my best Elaine: GET OUT)
August 10th, 2005 at 5:03 pmHell, this just proves that Paul Hackett was right. Rush is just a fatass addict that can’t read or count.
August 10th, 2005 at 5:03 pmOh how the jealous whine and moan. As you point out — Limbaugh is on in 591 stations — Air America is on 44.
Maybe lefty talk is booming, but booming where?
August 10th, 2005 at 5:06 pmI live deeep in the heart of redstate (Indiana), and on a weekly basis there are letters to the editor in my paper (South Bend Tribune) begging for an alternative to the Mike/Rush/Bill radio monopoly.
August 10th, 2005 at 5:06 pmI think people would be surprised to see how badly those of us here need a voice, and would be willing to financially support it!!
Um, sorry- 69 stations.
August 10th, 2005 at 5:07 pmAnd Rush started out small and ignored at firts too!
first, even
August 10th, 2005 at 5:07 pmread the article james it tells you where air america is doing well.
Rush is unhappy that he may slide into irrelavance, or at least we can hope.
August 10th, 2005 at 5:18 pmLies! Liberal lies! We are all legends in our own minds! This is my brain on Oxycotin!
Rush Limbaugh
I sense an anti-drug PSA in there someplace.
August 10th, 2005 at 5:18 pmYes, Rush (which he probably does) is on many more stations. I suppose it’s that “liberal” media you speak so much, out of both sides of your mouth, about. Trolls better start typing even slower. Hey troll, read before you post. You sound ridiculous.
August 10th, 2005 at 5:22 pmJames B. Wake up and die right. You died right after you stole the second election and everybody freakin’ knows it, soon we may even be proving it in a court of law, so… STFU and after you extricate your head from your ass with a crowbar, go and soak it. It’s covered in shit..
August 10th, 2005 at 5:22 pmIsn’t he attractive? I want to do him.
August 10th, 2005 at 5:23 pmDid he get that Cuban from Tom Delay?
http://thinkprogress.org/index.php?p=737
August 10th, 2005 at 5:27 pmYeppers, I want to do him too…. with a shiv or dull machette….
August 10th, 2005 at 5:29 pmAlbuquerque market:
August 10th, 2005 at 5:38 pmThe big 50,000 Reich-wing boomer – Down 5% (9.2 to 8.7)
Air Am Affiliate Up 10% (2.2 to 2.4)
The new talker station(since 4-1) anchored by the old big boomer morning guy (They have already changed line-ups and gotten even worse. They really suck.)Down 37% (2.4 to 1.5)
Rush (paraphrase): Hackett is insincere about his military service and a profiteering lawyer.
Paul Hackett: Rush “is a fat ass drug addict� who is losing support with military listeners.
August 10th, 2005 at 5:57 pmRush also claims he doesn’t know who Glen Mitchell is…
August 10th, 2005 at 5:57 pmIts no secret that limbaugh is quoting polls. Its also no secret that air america is doing extremely poorly in almost every market. It may also be no secret that “air america” will soon be closing its doors for stealing from poor kids and old folks. I might add that “air americ” lasted about a month here.
August 10th, 2005 at 6:04 pmKeep in mind about Denver, the station is based in Boulder, and it carries all the way to Colorado Springs, where I get it quite clearly – 100 miles away.
August 10th, 2005 at 6:06 pm#18 is clearly the work of a Limberger clone…Obviously “the mouth” never heard that ot quote the late Pat Monyihan “everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts.” When the facts don’t support neocons like Limpberger he makes them up. He is a classless buffoon.
August 10th, 2005 at 6:10 pmWelcome to the United States of Portland, red-staters. AAR is kiking ass here, and rated highly in various time slots among all radio stations, not just talk. Randi Rhodes is number one in the 4-7 drive time slot! When the bloody states finally get pulled from the life support of RNC money, AAR will flourish there too.
August 10th, 2005 at 6:16 pm[...] Nobody disputes that liberal radio has a long, long, long way to go before it can compete with Limbaugh’s 20-something year reign as a serial liar, but why is it that he feels he has to issue a press release chock full of deceptive language? The only conclusion one can come to is that Rush knows progressive radio has an audience and that he’s no longer alone on the airwaves. [...]
August 10th, 2005 at 6:24 pmHow does CNN’s Daryn Kagel manage to do the nasty with this fat, cigar smoking pig???
Maybe they just get high together and she forgets she has 350lbs. atop her???
. . . .
August 10th, 2005 at 6:29 pmIts kind of funny to watch as the ReichWingNuts wriggle when whinge when their drug addicted Mouth starts slipping in the ratings.
August 10th, 2005 at 6:31 pmI need to read my posts more carefully before I hit “send”. Sorry.
Its kind of funny to watch as the ReichWingNuts wriggle and whinge when their drug addicted Mouth starts slipping in the ratings.
August 10th, 2005 at 6:33 pmMaybe rush is a really a bendover boyfriend….
August 10th, 2005 at 6:33 pmI was in hope that his scumbag a$s would have to retire when he became deaf.
August 10th, 2005 at 6:41 pmMaybe he’ll come up mute next.
You owe me one, Rush!
August 10th, 2005 at 6:48 pmCall me! Follow the scented candles. :)
[...] Rush Limbaugh lies about is ratings… Yesterday, Rush Limbaugh, through his radio syndicator Premiere Radio Networks, sent out a press release titled “Limbaugh Leads the Race Against Liberal Talkers,â€? purportedly comparing his ratings to those of progressive talk stations. [...]
August 10th, 2005 at 6:53 pmSometimes a cigar is more than just a cigar.
August 10th, 2005 at 7:05 pmWLIB (New York) has now had a full year, a generous amount of time in broadcasting, to build an audience and figures are still flat compared with the previous niche Caribbean format the station featured. Often in radio that would mean imminent cancellation, but backers continue to be so noisy, they have generated enough industry hype to sustain poor performance a tad bit longer….
August 10th, 2005 at 7:05 pmMy contention is that if liberal talk radio can’t find an audience in New York City, it certainly doesn’t have a chance in San Antonio, Reno, Fresno and other places now gaining Air America stations that have small “progressive” populations.
Why would anyone care what that feloniously overmedicated windbag has to say? Perhaps he and Bush can share a room when they enter rehab!
August 10th, 2005 at 7:06 pmThis is no joke. Limbaugh is a danger, because he apeals to intelligent people, who are missinformed.
August 10th, 2005 at 7:14 pmWe need to fight back, and start a LIBERAL TELEVISION STATION. It took Fox 10 years to brainwash half the country, we need to catch up and educate. Provide people with directions on where to go if they want to talk to their representatives, provide them with factual quotes, and factual surveys. People need a push in the right direction. Rush is pushing oppinion for fact, and the people who listen to him do not know. What is our job then?
Robroy seems to know more than the rest of us. Where you getting your numbers? Non-opinion stuff generally gets some sort of footnote.
August 10th, 2005 at 7:22 pmPaul,
I have a hard time with your characterization of Limbaugh listeners as intelligent but misinformed. While they are certainly misinformed, how intelligent can these people be? They’ve watched this administration take us to war based on lies, destroy our economy, runup our trade deficit, steal from the poor to give to the rich, war-profiteer, stifle all dissent, bully the minority in Congress, pay “journalists” to parrot their policies, create mythical war heroes, pander to the evangelical know-nothings…and on and on. At what point does “intelligance” become stupidity?
August 10th, 2005 at 7:49 pmOdd that there are no hard numbers in this entire article. Ratings can be up 500 percent, 1000 percent, whatever, but unless one knows what the starting point is  that is, actual ratings points or audience numbers  these statements reveal little.
August 10th, 2005 at 7:58 pmMy contention is that if liberal talk radio can’t find an audience in New York City, it certainly doesn’t have a chance in San Antonio, Reno, Fresno and other places now gaining Air America stations that have small “progressive� populations.
Robroy has no idea how many disenchanted Bush voters frequent this site (but are not too keen on admitting it, for obvious reasons). Keep dreaming bobboy. When you wake up it wall all be over but the painful part.
August 10th, 2005 at 8:01 pmLiberal, Progressive. Angry and Lethal
August 10th, 2005 at 8:05 pmLethal to whom? Bobboy? Painful, i’m not hiding under my covers..
[...] Why I read/listen to Progressives Posted by Don under Politics Think Progress » Lies, Damn Lies, and Limbaugh’s Press Release About Progressive Radio Yesterday, Rush Limbaugh, through his radio syndicator Premiere Radio Networks, sent out a press release titled “Limbaugh Leads the Race Against Liberal Talkers,†purportedly comparing his ratings to those of progressive talk stations. [...]
August 10th, 2005 at 8:05 pmPardon me Lady Thatcher, but you may be missing the point. Limbaugh is distorting the truth by issuing a press release that is unflattering to his opponents by comparing numbers from a period of time in which the “progressive” station wasn’t even in existence yet in those markets. He using bogus data to tout a dishonest message. Which, as I think about it, is his forte.
August 10th, 2005 at 8:06 pmPardon yourself. I’m simply commenting on the story journalistically. There are precisely zero facts stated to back up the point you think the article is making. That leads me to conclude that the writer here didn’t want to focus on the data available because it was dismal for his/her argument — for instance, in the one link provided above on the Denver ratings that are “up 500%” — if you actually follow the link to the Denver Post article, you’ll see the Arbitron ratings went from a zero point four (0.4) to a two share (2). In radio, a 2 share is poor.
August 10th, 2005 at 8:21 pmThatch,
What part of:
In two of those cities, New Orleans and Baton Rouge, the stations that Rush claims he “defeated� didn’t switch to the progressive talk format until July 2005  after the ratings period in question ended.
..don’t you undertsand? That is not a guess, an assumption or a distortion. It’s a fact, so pull your head out of your ass and read it again.
August 10th, 2005 at 8:34 pmM. Thatcher,
The 500% was 0.4 to 2.0 share.
AA will draw listeners from Rush before they pull from NPR.
August 10th, 2005 at 8:38 pmUhhh… you might want to look up an undoctored Arbitron rating.
August 10th, 2005 at 8:42 pmIt’s mind-boggling that Republican pols and MSM celebrities are still allowed to be allied with Rush and his smelly ilk with no consequences. They need to be called on it. Again and again, until it’s a major story — because it is a major story.
August 10th, 2005 at 8:53 pm#44
August 10th, 2005 at 8:55 pmWhat?
This is yet another example of right wing hypocrisy. When will principled conservatives condemn hypocrites like Limbaugh?
And when will the radical right wing stop whining and grow up
Truth and Lies: Blog for A Better America: The Whiny Right Wing
August 10th, 2005 at 9:17 pmThe article makes the following argument in order to support the thesis that Limbaugh does not, as he claims, “[Lead] the Race Against Liberal Talkersâ€?: “The reality is that in several major markets, ratings for progressive talk are booming.” It attempts to back up this argument about “the reality” of “booming” progressive talk with statements that purport to be data-based but are in fact not data based. Statements about 500 percent increases and 1000 percent increases are essentially meaningless unless one provides the hard numbers to answer the question: 500 percent and 1000 percent increase over what? An analogy: Next Christmas I shall give you 500 percent more cash than I gave you last Christmas. This sounds like a lot, but in fact is not, since last Christmas I gave you zero. So a 500 percent increase sounds like a lot, but in fact is not, since it is a 500 percent increase over a 0.4 Arbitron rating. A 2.0 Arbitron is dismal. If you are going to “prove” that Rush does not “[Lead] the Race Against Liberal Talkers,â€? you must demonstrate factually and with numbers that Rush does not lead the race against liberal talkers. The writer of this piece has not done so, and in fact the numbers provided in the link confirm his press release.
August 10th, 2005 at 9:18 pmLies, Damn Lies, and Limbaugh’s Press Release About Progressive Radio.
August 10th, 2005 at 9:38 pmAs a Liberal “turning, because i can read and research things” I have to say that the above examples of “name calling” is very reminisence of my experience in the third grade as the new kid, which only bolsters my inclination to get the hell out of this party. Whether or not you agree with the rating as put out by Arbitron (you have to admit you can always pick up linbaugh and its really difficut to pick up aa, when you do its just whining).. Arbitgron report is on their web site. I cant beleve the anger expressed here, its interesting to see some of the responses, more name calling…. What do we want? Just complaints…. bitching…. name calling…. what can you do for me … threats….
by the way i served in vietnam, panama, grenada, desert storm, etc.
I’m, sorry. I simply can’t resist. It just begs to be said…
TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT LIMBAUGH’S PHOTO ABOVE.
If you study that image of Limbaugh eagerly sucking on an oversized cigar, taking in the vastness of his oral fixation, can you NOT imagine a long, stiff-as-steel, velvet-tipped, “purple headed warrior” schlong being excitedly welcomed into Rush’s warm, wet, so-sweet lips? With a faux-manly persona to maintain, he’d never admit it for a second of course, even at gunpoint, but you know that, in the privacy of his own bedroom, loosened up with a triple-shot of Wild Turkey and a couple oxy-contins, he’d be suckin’ on that man-rod faster than a starved pit bull could stuff a sirloin steak into its snout. Come on, Rush, lay up on the rainbow crowd. You know you’re one of ‘em. Just be honest for once and admit it…
August 10th, 2005 at 9:40 pmYou’re correct, Robroy. Here’s an informative link as well:http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0421/p09s01-coop.html
August 10th, 2005 at 9:46 pmMr. Anderson also attributes NPR among other things, but not to the level I did. But what is also missing from Anderson’s article is blogs.
I know from my personal experience that I was NPR 100%, then 50% NPR/50% AA, then AA all the time excluding Diane Rehm.
Now I’m Diane Rehm and Internet. And I actually like Franken. Go figure.
The cigar is a double corona…. was that your fixation or what
August 10th, 2005 at 9:46 pmNot only did I have go out and score oxycotin for Rush, but he used to hold my head under the covers when he farted. Jumbo the elephant could not have rippled the covers like Rush.
… and talk about Rush’s bathroom habits, they would have made Jackson Pollock himself, proud.
August 10th, 2005 at 9:49 pmThat was harsh TAC, but extremely well said :) Seems obvious why Rush would have to lie about “blowing” away the competition.
August 10th, 2005 at 9:49 pmAs I’ve said before, scared centrists and moderates put this gov’t in power, and they don’t do Rush, AA, NPR, or Thinkprogressive. My 2 cents.
August 10th, 2005 at 9:50 pmrobroy is a liar. putting out the republican fake troll routine.
“im a dem, but you keep calling those nice repuiblicans names, im leaving if you dont stop it, i cant get aar, but limbaugh comes in loud and clear.”
screw you liar or get out, we dont need you.
August 10th, 2005 at 9:50 pmcant handle it…. more name calling…..
August 10th, 2005 at 9:51 pmby the way i served in vietnam, panama, grenada, desert storm, etc.
rush is an evil smarmy racist richtWing piece of shit.
August 10th, 2005 at 9:55 pmpeople who call themselves ditto-heads may not be evil
but with all that jay posted on # 34 – they are either in some sort of cult like trance – or aliens from space. from planet Stupid.
Air America has been adding stations on a monthly basis, Ed shultz has far more coverage than the 69 stations. I remember both O-Really and the druggie limpPaw predicted that AAR would not last 6 months. Now they are getting a tad worried because they sense people are fed up with being lied to. It is an insult to ones intelligence when they are told our soldiers died for a noble cause – and then REFUSE to say in no uncertain terms what this noble cause is.
I think Franken came out of the gates slowly but if you really listen to his show now and don’t get distracted by the Oy-yoy-yoy nonsense (and such), he’s incredibly well-informed on policy, has an great knack for recalling minute details and names when he needs to make a point, he’s fair almost to a fault but in the end he calls liars out and counters their bullshit with the truth. Just like this website. I must say that in my opinion Al Franken has turned out to be the most likable of the lot. I think Randi Rhodes is better with the acid-toungued, red-meat…but Franken’s show is loaded with substance.
August 10th, 2005 at 9:55 pm“The 500% was 0.4 to 2.0 share.”
Considering that Arbitron doesn’t release information on stations with a 0.4 share (their cutoff is 0.5), your information seems mistaken. You can get Arbitron ratings for any market in the top 100 at FMQB.com. Denver actually went from a 0.5 to a 2.0, which is an increase of 300% (doubling is an increase of 100%, tripling an increase of 200%, quadrupling an increase of 300%), but there are asterisks on that–AA wasn’t on in Denver for the entire quarter of the 0.5, for starters. Their first full quarter was 0.9, so they do seem to have shown growth in their audience.
However, the only market in the top 20 where they are among the top 20 stations is Minneapolis, where they are 18th (and last).
AA will draw listeners from Rush before they pull from NPR.
August 10th, 2005 at 9:56 pmFranken is top notch. If I’m on the road, it’s Franken.
He has commited himself to the truth in the truest sense of the word. And yes, sometimes to a fault.
Randi Rhodes is a liberal version of Rush, and hard to listen to sometimes.
August 10th, 2005 at 10:00 pmBrian, isn’t amazing that the right has painted their typical picture of Franken as a leftwing loony and in fact he is more worthy of being taken seriously than any of them. Franken would croak ANY of the righties in a debate, and I don’t think it would be close. He thorouhgly embarassed O’Reilly on stage at that event in L.A. a couple of years a go. If you haven’t seen it, it’s dynamite and I can probably find a link.
August 10th, 2005 at 10:06 pmI’ve heard Franken talk about it. If you find the link fire it up. Thanks.
August 10th, 2005 at 10:08 pmHe faked being a comic then… be intering now
August 10th, 2005 at 10:09 pmgeorgie porgie pudding and pie
August 10th, 2005 at 10:15 pmgives gifts to the rich while the poor’s son’s die
while cindy sheehan waits outside his ’stead
georgie porgie hides under his bed
#63
August 10th, 2005 at 10:16 pmand where are you when all this is happening….
making up poems…. this is great… glad your helping..
#63
August 10th, 2005 at 10:19 pmby the way i served in vietnam, panama, grenada, desert storm, etc.
robbie roy
is a sad little boy
who sits in the corner
and plays with his toy
but the damn thing’s not working
August 10th, 2005 at 10:21 pmdespite all his jerking
yet this little toy soldier
keeps the president smirking
I keep forgetting to say that
August 10th, 2005 at 10:21 pmSomeone had to make the meals Robroy.
August 10th, 2005 at 10:22 pmAt least let you poems make sense..
August 10th, 2005 at 10:23 pmby the way… look at your structure.
What a coinkydink I serve too.
August 10th, 2005 at 10:23 pmBy the way i served in vietnam, panama, grenada, desert storm. I keep forgetting to add this, sorry.
August 10th, 2005 at 10:26 pmgive up the pretense
my poems do make sense
unless, of course
you’re too sodding dense
come, gaze in the mirror
August 10th, 2005 at 10:28 pmdraw ever so nearer
your visage gapes back
it couldn’t be clearer
congratulations robroy, you served your country well. now just admit you are a republican posing as a fake disgrunteled democrat and we can go on our merry way!
August 10th, 2005 at 10:28 pmI served Oxycotin.What did you serve Mr.Robroy?
August 10th, 2005 at 10:29 pmSo your queer?
August 10th, 2005 at 10:29 pmBy the way i served in vietnam, panama, grenada, desert storm, etc.
More name calling… just as i expected.. My name is Robert Roy… you can check my affiliation if you want
August 10th, 2005 at 10:31 pmi’m regerested in NC.
No. It’s you’re QUEER. Even I know that with my 8th grade education.
August 10th, 2005 at 10:32 pmBy the way i served in vietnam, panama, grenada, desert storm, etc.
August 10th, 2005 at 10:32 pmlil robbie seeks those
August 10th, 2005 at 10:33 pmof the limp-wristed kind
but alas all these here
will only give mind
#77
August 10th, 2005 at 10:33 pmCool… you go for it fag.
Robroy serving:
http://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/Scotland-History/RobRoy-statue.jpg
August 10th, 2005 at 10:34 pmKeep forgetting this:
August 10th, 2005 at 10:34 pmBy the way i served in vietnam, panama, grenada, desert storm, etc.
A women can’t be a fag. Even I know that with my 8th grade education.
August 10th, 2005 at 10:36 pmDepends… I’v known a few
August 10th, 2005 at 10:37 pmForgot again:
August 10th, 2005 at 10:38 pmBy the way i served in vietnam, panama, grenada, desert storm, etc.
Need a maid? Like I said, I serve too.
August 10th, 2005 at 10:38 pmThanks… and thank you for your service. Starting up two new businesses and trying to remain sane. Going from NC to Ga and Fl now… house gonna have to fend for itsef…..
August 10th, 2005 at 10:40 pmActually, he was a rent-boy who serviced in vietnam, panama, grenada, desert storm, etc…
August 10th, 2005 at 10:41 pm#88
August 10th, 2005 at 10:42 pmNever been outta the city have u…
By the way i served in vietnam, panama, grenada, desert storm, etc.
they didnt call him red-light robbie fer nuthin, ya know
August 10th, 2005 at 10:45 pmOK..
August 10th, 2005 at 10:46 pmBy the way i served in vietnam, panama, grenada, desert storm, etc.
Were you also secretary of state? And when did we invade etc?
August 10th, 2005 at 10:49 pmMcRobbie’s: over ten thousand serviced…
August 10th, 2005 at 10:49 pmNope just a soldier….
August 10th, 2005 at 10:49 pmBy the way I served in vietnam, panama, grenada, desert storm, etc
you served in vietnam the way jeff gannon serves karl rove on an overnight press pass to the white house.
August 10th, 2005 at 10:50 pmBack to the original thread .What was it?… something like…Rush Limbaugh’s ratings are sinking like a lead zeppelin.That’s it.
August 10th, 2005 at 10:51 pmAnd what is your problem… not discussing press passes…
August 10th, 2005 at 10:51 pmBy the way I served in vietnam, panama, grenada, desert storm, etc
if youre like me and you lack a message, cut and paste can be your friend too
August 10th, 2005 at 10:52 pm#98
August 10th, 2005 at 10:53 pmnot my message
By the way I served in vietnam, panama, grenada, desert storm, etc
next week: the snazziness of copy and paste for when the usual repetition just wont “cut” it lol
August 10th, 2005 at 10:56 pm#100
Not my message.. Just shows you how easy it is to mimic and ridicule.
By the way I served in vietnam, panama, grenada, desert storm, etc
August 10th, 2005 at 10:58 pmlil robbie’s gone cranky
August 10th, 2005 at 11:00 pmsomeone fetch him a hanky
hello! robbie’s boyfriend!
you’d best give him a spanky
No more yanky on my wanky.
August 10th, 2005 at 11:01 pm#102
August 10th, 2005 at 11:02 pmHoney your mind is really on a homo relationship… sorry.. cant help you with your problem but if you call homosrus you can get some help.
not my message
By the way I served in vietnam, panama, grenada, desert storm, etc
Some jerk wants to be me..
August 10th, 2005 at 11:03 pmnot my message
By the way I served in vietnam, panama, grenada, desert storm, etc
sad robbie by name
August 10th, 2005 at 11:05 pmtried a rhyme but was lame
best to stick with faux-tours
safe with more of the same
Ok we GET IT you served in lotsa wars. Good for you. although wasn’t vietnam like 40 years ago? wern’t you way past manditory retirement by desert storm?
August 10th, 2005 at 11:05 pmSorry
August 10th, 2005 at 11:06 pmcant answer an idiot…
not my message
By the way I served in vietnam, panama, grenada, desert storm, etc
I’m asking a legitimate question as someone who doesn’t know anything about the military.
August 10th, 2005 at 11:07 pm#107
actually retired in 87….. called back for desert storm…
By the way I served in vietnam, panama, grenada, desert storm, etc
August 10th, 2005 at 11:07 pmOk. So now what does your military career have to do with this post?
August 10th, 2005 at 11:08 pmKerry said he was in vietnam every time he spoke…. thought it was relivent…
By the way I served in vietnam, panama, grenada, desert storm, etc
August 10th, 2005 at 11:09 pmThis post has nothing at all to to with John Kerry. It’s hardly relevant.
August 10th, 2005 at 11:10 pmGreat… Go back to my earlier comments… You just happened to appear when all the snippers were stealing, namecalling, just generally being assholes.
By the way I served in vietnam, panama, grenada, desert storm, etc
August 10th, 2005 at 11:12 pmRush Lintball, who called a Marine, who had served in Iraq “puke” because the Marine was a Democratic candidate. This is the man who vilifies the ACLU yet he is the same man who is supported by the ACLU because his medical records were being supoenaed. This is the man who criticizes Democrats who may say Nazi and Abu Grhaib in one sentence, while he is known for his coining of the slur “femi-Nazi” when speaking of women who assert their rights.
August 10th, 2005 at 11:12 pmThis is the man who brought about his own deafness in recent years (later cured with surgery) because he was addicted to drugs. The same man who sent his housekeeper to the street to procure his prescription drugs for him.
This slime, this slug, this loud-mouthed blowhard who managed to evade service in the military because of an infected boil on his ass, yet feels justified to criticize Kerry and Cleland, who did serve in Viet Nam, this pond scum is feeling the heat from the popularity of the new-born liberal radio stations and so he misrepresents his ratings share so as to protect his giant ego.
The new Air-America radio station is doing remarkably well in its first year on the air. It usually takes several years to build an audience in order to sell the commercial time so the outlets can grow, and AA has performed admirably in its short life.
I think the Lintball is scared, and his pals at Fox News are a little worried also.
Robroy. Why don’t you say , I ran from National Guard duty, I went AWOL in Georgia, I didn’t finish my 4 years, I asked not to be sent to Vietnam.
August 10th, 2005 at 11:14 pm#115
August 10th, 2005 at 11:14 pmWhat was that dribble.
#116
August 10th, 2005 at 11:15 pmSorry you sorry f… but i get my retirement check every month…
So you’re just repeating the same line over and over? That’s hardly forwarding the debate. In a crowd you have to be able to take shots, it comes with debating on the internet. However I sympathize. I can’t argue with you on your points because I don’t have any facts and thus cannot debate properly, but I will assert my opinion that if he did in fact use facts from before progressive radio shows were active in said areas then it is quite low for someone who asserts his moral integrity.
August 10th, 2005 at 11:16 pmThe word is drivel, mental retard from N.C.
August 10th, 2005 at 11:17 pmfrom #114
“…namecalling, just generally being assholes.”
the hypocrisy above is clear for all to see…except lil robbie evidently…
August 10th, 2005 at 11:17 pmSorry but the debate is over… Arbitron issues the numbers… i dont… therefore no debate… you can look at the spin.. conservative or liberal and find your own conclusions. im jus looking at the numbers and not stating any conclusions… just stating what i think.
August 10th, 2005 at 11:19 pmDryveby, your poems (limericks?) are very witty. Thanks.
August 10th, 2005 at 11:20 pmSo what exactly IS your opinion then?
August 10th, 2005 at 11:20 pmair america will be history w/i 6 months
August 10th, 2005 at 11:22 pmInteresting. Are there economic precedents to lead you to that belief? Or do you not believe that there is a market for progressive radio? I would argue that there is.
August 10th, 2005 at 11:23 pmDeal: I won’t defend Rush, who sucks. You don’t defend airhead amerika, who STOLE money from Gloria Wise.
August 10th, 2005 at 11:24 pmI don’t know enough about the station to defend it. All I’m saying is that there is a market for both conservative AND progressive radio. This is not winner take all.
August 10th, 2005 at 11:24 pmI agree there is a market.. I agree that there is a need.. I agree that there is a requirement to voice a seperate view.
August 10th, 2005 at 11:26 pmBut I believe looking at recent media reports that air america could be in serious troule.
It is to Nazi boy. Everything is.
August 10th, 2005 at 11:26 pmHe would be witty if he could
August 10th, 2005 at 11:26 pmAlas! his head is made of wood
If only he were a real little boy
Instead of a witless lil robroy
Could you be more specific Rob? What did said reports say? Is it just for Air America?
August 10th, 2005 at 11:28 pmWho are these lil wooses? G.S, dryveby
August 10th, 2005 at 11:28 pm#117 — Do you mean “drivel”? Was that too many words on topic for you to read?
August 10th, 2005 at 11:29 pmfake,
There is no defending Rush. He’s not only a liar and a hypocrite, he’s a coward. Your Air America story is fake, just like your President.
August 10th, 2005 at 11:29 pmGo to google, lookup “air america”
August 10th, 2005 at 11:30 pmWhat’s a woose?
August 10th, 2005 at 11:30 pmHmmm so there were alleged illegal money transfers… ok.. Have these been proven in a court of law? If not then you could wait and see how they pan out. I agree with you though that this could be trouble for the station.
August 10th, 2005 at 11:32 pmRiiiight….AirAmerica is about to die (even though they expand to a new market about twice a week) and GWB’s approval rating is in the high 80’s. How does it feel to be on an island?
August 10th, 2005 at 11:32 pmA woose is a keybord error… a jerk is #137
August 10th, 2005 at 11:33 pmOh… we have to wait until they proven????? damn… great concept… did i see that applied tonight?
August 10th, 2005 at 11:34 pmA keyboard error? You weren’t even in the ballpark on that one buddy. I think the only error there is between the keyboard and the chair.
August 10th, 2005 at 11:35 pmThe key word is could though. Even if there was a scandal such as this, I would wager that the station would survive and continue to expand. Air America is a catchy name after all.
August 10th, 2005 at 11:35 pmI am a log cabin republican and proud of it.
August 10th, 2005 at 11:35 pmI didn’t know we were in a court of law.
August 10th, 2005 at 11:36 pmYep you got me…. damn… thought youd never find out. still stand by #140 as you have nothing substatial to say;
August 10th, 2005 at 11:37 pmTake a joke and stop being such a woosey about it.
August 10th, 2005 at 11:38 pmHad to change names again….. someone cant take it.
August 10th, 2005 at 11:38 pmI’m an Aunt Jamimah Republican Robroy.
August 10th, 2005 at 11:38 pmcool… me too
August 10th, 2005 at 11:39 pmok so does anyone have an opinion on topic? Anyone? *listens* I guess my work here is done then.
August 10th, 2005 at 11:41 pmwell ah declare, Robroys getting woosey…quick, someone fetch the smelling salts….
August 10th, 2005 at 11:41 pmSorry Justin
August 10th, 2005 at 11:42 pmToo much name calling to get anything accomplished. enjoyed talking to you, you had points.
thanks
My blog details some of the AA stuff, and you wish it was fake. Tell Franken it’s fake he admitted they knew and the NY authorities say they found out without AA telling them. Now using the same standard YOU guys set for Rove, AA is guilty. We can say they are just as guilty as Rove is, now can’t we. Funny how now you remember innocent until PROVEN guilty, LOL ; >
August 10th, 2005 at 11:43 pmNo worries Rob.
Fake, I’ve never commented on Rove. Don’t paint everyone with my arguments.
August 10th, 2005 at 11:44 pmanyone who laffs at themselves is as lame as a lexington june day is long…
August 10th, 2005 at 11:45 pmRush Limbaugh had to resort to twisting facts,twisting ratings and twisting the truth to convince people he is on top. Clearly,when you resort to such tactics with a lame press release you are worried.
August 10th, 2005 at 11:47 pmGet a grip you jerk… He’s only quoting a press release… you only wish franken could suck your cock.
August 10th, 2005 at 11:49 pmrun robbie run!
August 10th, 2005 at 11:50 pmFake, Why is your blog addy “ryanneatisapussy”? Isn’t that rather childish?
August 10th, 2005 at 11:51 pmFirst off, the supposed AirAmerica scandal implicates NONE of the on air talent and only calls into question the ethics of one of the original (and long since departed) founders. If you listened to AirAmerica or you folowed the stations successes and failures since its inception you might have an idea as to how much the talent sacrificed (including financial) and endured to make the network a success. Most of them are pretty hard-core liberals and if you expect anyone to believe that ANY of these people were involved in a scandal that ripped-off inner city kids, you’re friggin nuts. That flies in the face of logic and everything that these people stand for.
Rove on the other hand, made his bones crushing opponents, slinging mud, destroying families, etc.
Now shove that story up your deluded ass.
August 10th, 2005 at 11:51 pmHe sent out a press release through Premier Radio Network hose bag.Learn how to read dipshit Brandyand you nazis are real the bone smugglers.
August 10th, 2005 at 11:53 pmAA lost a station last week. I emailed the Station Manager, he told me they are for profit : )
August 10th, 2005 at 11:53 pmHell you guys got NPR and we help you pay for that, hell beyond taxes I’m still a member. AA is just a Lib answer to Rush, Rush who you see is a propagandist. So propaganda is OK is you agree with the message?
The truth is OK under any circumstance. Facts are too. Bullshit and lies, not allowed. Keep trying though.
August 10th, 2005 at 11:55 pm163
yeah, yer a member alright
August 10th, 2005 at 11:55 pmIt’s ok to be liberal and for profit. It doesn’t prove any of your points though Fake.
Also, there’s a difference between propaganda and journalism. Even if it’s op/ed.
August 10th, 2005 at 11:56 pmRush is bloated child .
August 10th, 2005 at 11:57 pmFranken and Stephanie Miller dedicate pretty significant portions of their shows debunking the lies of Rush, O’Reilly, Hannity, et al. and they do a hell of a job. If you listened you would understand how foolish it sounds to defend that trio of misinformation.
August 10th, 2005 at 11:58 pmRUSH LIMBAUGH LEADS THE RACE AGAINST LIBERAL TALKERS IN
CLEVELAND, DALLAS, MINNEAPOLIS, AND HOUSTON
– Numbers Don’t Lie –
LOS ANGELES, July 28, 2005 – Mr. Rush Limbaugh continues to consistently beat liberal talkers, according to the Arbitron Spring 2005 ratings survey for Cleveland, Dallas, Minneapolis, and Houston. In Cleveland, Mr. Limbaugh’s Persons 12+ audience is twice the size of Mr. Jerry Springer’s audience and four times its size for Adults 25-54. In addition, The Rush Limbaugh Show is #1 in its timeslot for Persons 12+. Heard Monday through Friday on WTAM-AM from noon – 3 p.m., The Rush Limbaugh Show scored, among Persons 12+, a 10.1 share with an average quarter-hour audience of 38,000 listeners. Among Adults 25-54, he has an 8.9 share with an average quarter-hour audience of 19,800 listeners. Mr. Springer, who airs at a different time on the same station, has a Persons 12+ share of 4.5 with an average quarter-hour audience of 16,300 listeners. With Adults 25-54, he has a 2.3 share with an average quarter-hour audience of 4,800 listeners. Mr. Al Franken and Mr. Ed Schultz do not air in this market.
ARBITRON NUMBERS FOR CLEVELAND:
Host Share
(Persons 12+) Avg. Quarter Hour
(Persons 12+) Rank (all AM/FM programming-persons 12+)
Rush Limbaugh 10.1 38,000 1
Jerry Springer 4.5 16,300 6
Host Share
(Adults 25-54) Avg. Quarter Hour
(Adults 25-54) Rank (all AM/FM programming-adults 25-54)
Rush Limbaugh 8.9 19,800 2
Jerry Springer 2.3 4,800 17
The Rush Limbaugh Show, heard Monday through Friday from noon – 3 p.m. on WBAP-AM in Dallas, is the #1 radio show in the timeslot for Persons 12+. Mr. Limbaugh’s Persons 12+ audience is nine times larger than Mr. Franken’s audience. For Adults 25-54, Mr. Limbaugh’s audience is nearly six times larger than Mr. Franken’s. In addition, Mr. Limbaugh’s audience is greater than Mr. Springer’s audience by 12 times for Persons 12+ and eight times for Adults 25-54. Mr. Schultz does not have an affiliate in this market. Mr. Limbaugh scored a Persons 12+ share of 6.5 with an average quarter-hour audience of 61,600. Among Adults 25-54, he holds a 4.4 share with an average quarter-hour audience of 26,200 listeners. Mr. Franken, who airs at the same time on KXEB-AM, scored among Persons 12+ a 0.7 share with an average quarter-hour audience of 6,800 listeners. Among Adults 25-54, his share is again 0.7 with an average quarter-hour audience of 4,500 listeners.
ARBITRON NUMBERS FOR DALLAS:
Host Share
(Persons 12+) Avg. Quarter Hour
(Persons 12+) Rank (all AM/FM programming-persons 12+)
Rush Limbaugh 6.5 61,600 1
Al Franken 0.7 6,800 38
Jerry Springer 0.5 5,000 42
Host Share
(Adults 25-54) Avg. Quarter Hour
(Adults 25-54) Rank (all AM/FM programming-adults 25-54)
Rush Limbaugh 4.4 26,200 4
Al Franken 0.7 4,500 35
Jerry Springer 0.5 3,200 40
In Minneapolis, The Rush Limbaugh Show is heard Monday through Friday on KSTP-AM from noon to 3 p.m. and scored a Persons 12+ share of 5.4 with an average quarter-hour audience of 29,200 listeners. Among Adults 25-54, he has a 4.3 share with an average quarter-hour audience of 14,100 listeners. Mr. Franken, who airs at a different time on KTNF-AM, scored among Persons 12+ a 2.6 share
with an average quarter-hour audience of 13,700 listeners. Among Adults 25-54, his share is 2.9 with an average quarter-hour audience of 9,400 listeners. For Persons 12+, Mr. Limbaugh has twice the audience as Mr. Franken. Mr. Springer does not have an affiliate in this market.
ARBITRON NUMBERS FOR MINNEAPOLIS:
Host Share
(Persons 12+) Avg. Quarter Hour
(Persons 12+) Rank (all AM/FM programming-persons 12+)
Rush Limbaugh 5.4 29,200 6
Al Franken 2.6 13,700 18
Ed Schultz 0.9 5,100 24
Host Share
(Adults 25-54) Avg. Quarter Hour
(Adults 25-54) Rank (all AM/FM programming-adults 25-54)
Rush Limbaugh 4.3 14,100 11
Al Franken 2.9 9,400 13
Ed Schultz 1.3 4,200 21
In Houston, The Rush Limbaugh Show is #2 in its timeslot for Persons 12+. Heard Monday through Friday on KPRC-AM from 11 a.m. – 2 p.m., The Rush Limbaugh Show scored, among Persons 12+, a 5.7 share with an average quarter-hour audience of 51,100 listeners. Among Adults 25-54, he has a 4.4 share with an average quarter-hour audience of 24,200 listeners. Mr. Schultz, who airs at a different time on a different station, has a Persons 12+ share of 5.5 with an average quarter-hour audience of 22,600 listeners. With Adults 25-54, he has a 4.4 share with an average quarter-hour audience of 9,000 listeners. Mr. Franken and Mr. Springer do not air in this market.
ARBITRON NUMBERS FOR HOUSTON:
Host Share
(Persons 12+) Avg. Quarter Hour
(Persons 12+) Rank (all AM/FM programming-persons 12+)
Rush Limbaugh 5.7 51,100 2
Ed Schultz 5.5 22,600 5
Host Share
(Adults 25-54) Avg. Quarter Hour
(Adults 25-54) Rank (all AM/FM programming-adults 25-54)
Rush Limbaugh 4.4 24,200 4
Ed Schultz 4.4 9,000 5
In Tampa, the three liberal talkers previously mentioned do not have affiliates in the market. However, The Rush Limbaugh Show, heard Monday through Friday from noon to 3 p.m. on WFLA-AM is #1 in its timeslot for Persons 12+ and #2 for Adults 25-54. Overall, Mr. Limbaugh’s Adult 25-54 audience is up 25 percent from one year ago.
August 10th, 2005 at 11:58 pmKnown as the media pundit who reshaped the political landscape with his entertaining and informative brand of conservatism, Mr. Limbaugh is also widely credited with resuscitating AM radio by many industry experts.
Real argument? bloated child?………..
August 10th, 2005 at 11:59 pmI don’t know who AA lost, but they just added Missoula MT, Lafayette LA, and Victor Valley CA. 69….and counting!
August 11th, 2005 at 12:00 amI was pissed, but it is my Address, if he was big enough to apologize for calling my wife names I could be big enough to change it. We will let the authorities sort out who it involves. Franken knew before the NY authorities. Franken paid how much for that new house in MN? By the way, the staff didn’t get paid last week on time at AA. Any way you cut it, it hurt that charity. Funny how the NYT gave AA so much free ink, but now they are like, AA who?
August 11th, 2005 at 12:01 amThen why does Rush have to resort to such cheesey misleading tactics.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:02 amThank you truth teller for the numbers. You have added a few of your own observations but they are accurate according to what i have seen.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:04 amIf the above numbers can be taken as gospel (insert yer own religious joke here), they merely confirm what we already knew; that collectively, this is a nation populated by uninquiring minds who really just DON’T wanna know.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:04 amAll these naught nicknames
August 11th, 2005 at 12:06 amMaybe I’m reading those numbers wrong but I see Rush and Ed Schultz in a virtual tie in Houston. That’s bad news if you’re a winger. Houston is Big Bushie, Oil-loving, GOP/Midland type folk. That’s much better than I thought for Big Ed.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:06 amAny stats on oxycotin addicts in Florida Truth Teller?
August 11th, 2005 at 12:07 amI’ll have a Brandy and a Robroy barkeep.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:09 amFor profit meaning they, the station needs ad revenue AA was not bringing in. They don’t have any friends placed in high positions at charities I guess. Yes a member, for years. All things considered is a good program, but I miss Bob. They lost Tahoe, NV.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:10 amCheesy tactics. Rush says oh I’m number one. oh forgot to tell you I’m number one. The radio polls today say I’m number ONE. Can Rush tell you one more time “I am number one:
August 11th, 2005 at 12:11 amRead the article again. Salty Dog
August 11th, 2005 at 12:13 amfake,
Your website is a hopeless mishmash of truths and half-truths, but hell, at least you have a site. Good job.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:13 amfunny, ive always thot of rush as number two…
August 11th, 2005 at 12:13 amlewd, lol…stop you’re killing me!
August 11th, 2005 at 12:14 am” He (Rush) chose to highlight 4 markets where his victories are at best misleading. Why? If you are #1,#1 #1
August 11th, 2005 at 12:17 amI always thought you had to have a brain to vote.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:17 amsorry bout the friendly fire there jay
August 11th, 2005 at 12:18 amPardon me sweety but if your #1, #1, #1 you want to gloat. I would.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:19 amWasn’t it just a few months ago that O’Reilly said AAR was about to go out of business?
August 11th, 2005 at 12:19 amnot if you intend to vote republican, you dont…
August 11th, 2005 at 12:20 amIt is
August 11th, 2005 at 12:20 amjay it was began in anger, but now I try to put stuff up that is not just a rehash. I’m trying to start a non-profit to recycle computers for rural kids to use. We moved to a small town from Denver last year, kids out here are soo far behind. Been learning about starting up non-profits, it seems there is alot of fraud in that area, it is sad. Anyway, I hope to improve the blog, I want to change the address, but then I might as well start over. Anyway, later.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:21 amThe post is about Rush Limpwrist being a worried jackass, not # 1. He is lookin’ over his shoulder and pissin’ himself. Hope he doesn’t go into Oxycotin relapse.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:26 amYeah… nonprofits? No such thing. Town out side denver, oh cool, got to the land of the have’s. what about appalacia? what about the adroniacs, blue ridge, hell, what about new york city. Another ripoff. But were all use to it
August 11th, 2005 at 12:27 amOoooooooooo someone else calling names.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:29 amsink me, but ive suddenly become completely lacking in mind, body and spirit. Farewell all, I must go and join the republican party post haste, ere I rediscover my humanity and veer once more to the left.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:32 amI always thought you had to know the difference between you’re and your to vote Brandy. Go listen, and get dumbed down by Jumbo the Blowhard all you want.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:32 amHave any of YOUR own teeth Brandy?
August 11th, 2005 at 12:35 amSorry norman speak english. I only finished college in florida, and must have missed your session.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:36 ambet my clit is bi
August 11th, 2005 at 12:36 ambigger than your you know what
August 11th, 2005 at 12:37 amNow.. Go.. Brush… that tooth…..Brandy
August 11th, 2005 at 12:40 amNorman. Norman. Norman. Help me, oh damn. my english is failing.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:40 amtooth done. what u done for enneweeney
August 11th, 2005 at 12:41 amYou are the one who brought up measures of intelligence to vote.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:43 amSorry I know you call eneweener “noseemem”
August 11th, 2005 at 12:44 amI’ll tip you well if you clean up my room real nice.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:44 amWoops, dont remember that. I think you did.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:45 amBe glad you have a room
August 11th, 2005 at 12:45 amI live in the box my computer came in. You are right, I am small.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:49 amGlad to know that Robroy serves grenadine and desserts up a storm… But I wish he wouldn’t steal the name of a great rustler and bandit…
The real Rob Roy MacGregor would never have stooped so low as to support the current American administration.
Z.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:51 amFake, there are ways to transfer your blog without having to start over. If you’re really serious about helping the less fortunate then I am with you 100%
August 11th, 2005 at 12:53 amNorman…. tisk tisk tisk
August 11th, 2005 at 12:53 amyou want to call me names and you dont even know me but you think all you have to do is put a hanle on me and ill go away. you my dear are a the worst kind of a jerk. nomatter what anyones oppinion is your against it. i worked hard and i expect most others did to to survive. thank you for your attitude.
Hey u playing with “noseemem”
Zwack
August 11th, 2005 at 12:57 amSorry you dont know much bout anything… just to let you know Zwack is polish for queer bitch.
Rob, It’s not nice to use gay as an all purpose insult. It’s also not productive to throw insults at each other… It’s too bad people don’t recognise this.
“Now are we going to bicker all day or are we going to act like the REAL UN?”
August 11th, 2005 at 1:02 amOh damn.. sorry but I thought I was being attacked by some idiot who has no idea of history. His reference to some outlaw and my name has no relivance to any discussion on this board. Just more name calling. If name calling is the norm here, lets get it on. If issues are on the table lets talk about them but keep the spin away.. only facts which are easy to find using google.
August 11th, 2005 at 1:10 amI agree. Just don’t give in to name calling and present your side with facts. I’m sure it’ll stop eventually… *looks skeptical*
August 11th, 2005 at 1:12 amOk to all my fellow progressives. Rob’s trying, he isn’t a troll and he wants an actual debate. Isn’t this our goal? To win people over to our side? Now stop with the childish name calling.
August 11th, 2005 at 1:14 amLet’s get back on topic. We were talking about that worthless piece of crap Rush Limbaugh. What a hypocrytical bastard.
“It is fine to take it, if it is a perscribed drug.”
Screw Rush.
August 11th, 2005 at 1:16 amOk to all my fellow progressives. Rob’s trying, he isn’t a troll and he wants an actual debate. Isn’t this our goal? To win people over to our side? Now stop with the childish name calling.
Comment by Justin  August 11, 2005 @ 1:14 am
What’s to debate, Justin? Immigration policy perhaps, some economic issues. Nothing else is on the table, it’s all been decided by the public and popular opinion. This will be painfully (to some) and glaringly (to all) apparent during the midterm elections.
August 11th, 2005 at 1:57 amOh damn.. sorry but I thought I was being attacked by some idiot who has no idea of history. His reference to some outlaw and my name has no relivance to any discussion on this board. Just more name calling. If name calling is the norm here, lets get it on. If issues are on the table lets talk about them but keep the spin away.. only facts which are easy to find using google.
Facts are not so easy to find using Google.
August 11th, 2005 at 1:58 amTruth Teller. Numbers do lie. That’s what they are there for.
According to some critics, the data collected by Arbitron may not be as accurate as the data collected by Nielsen or other companies. Critics base their opinion mainly on two arguments. First, Arbitron’s surveys have a relatively low response rate of approximately 30 percent. Second, the written diaries may not accurately reflect the programming actually listened to by the survey participant. For example, the participant may not remember exactly when they started or stopped listening, or they may forget to record an entry in the diary altogether. In addition, it is difficult (and unsafe) to record the listening done in automobiles while driving, though a large proportion of radio listeners primarily tune in while in their cars.
August 11th, 2005 at 2:03 amFacts are impossible to find if you are biased and stupid, even if you have a Nexis-Lexis account, if you are fat, dumb and Republican, you are also blind to the painful truth.
August 11th, 2005 at 2:05 amHating Republicans and supporters of the neocon and GOP agenda is an important part of the political process, as is the anger and broken bones that may ensue in the next few years. glad I’ve never been a Republican. I’ve never had a broken limb and I wouldn’t want to spoil my record.
August 11th, 2005 at 2:11 amWhat UNITS were you in when you served in vietnam, panama, grenada, desert storm, etc. ?
August 11th, 2005 at 5:31 amIt would seem a greater number of Republicans listen to Rush than Liberals listen to AA. Liberal radio’s failure would not earmark the progressive movement.
August 11th, 2005 at 8:33 amBrian,
It’s the moderates and centrists who are listening, and to what, that count. Judged on that criteria it is safe to assume that the right is in a crash dive and the left is in the ascendent and in a steep climb.
August 11th, 2005 at 8:59 amAll things aside, LPL, the thing that I’m really worried about is Fitzgerald finding that this gov’t is so corrupt and widespread that it would threaten national security to bust these guys. I couldn’t care less about Rush. This is my short term attitude.
August 11th, 2005 at 9:15 amLong term, I have faith the elections will be the referendum on these criminals.
Long term, I have faith the elections will be the referendum on these criminals.
Only if the election is fair and honest. Past precedent suggests that it will be nothing of the sort.
August 11th, 2005 at 9:25 amAs of yesterday, from the Al Franken Show on Air America,
August 11th, 2005 at 9:29 am25 states now require paper ballot backup system. I have faith in the direction of voting, also.
Has anyone heard about the military nuke terrorist exercises begining today in S.C? Scarey stuff. All military leave suspended. The Pentagon was conducting terrorist exercices on the morning of 9/11 and exercises were being held in London at the attacked train stations on 7/7.
August 11th, 2005 at 9:34 amInfowars.com has the story
Elections have to be very close, within 4%, for the tampering to work. Any margin over that, and the elections will reflect the will of the people. It’s only feasible when close enough, yet wide enough of a margin to avoid a hand recount.
August 11th, 2005 at 9:46 amLib,Prog, Leth,
Could you provide some data to back up the conclusion that: Elections have to be very close, within 4%, for the tampering to work.
There are so many variables involved in election theft, I think it’s hard to put a finger on the math. I’m open to all theories and conclusions but we need more than just your say-so.
August 11th, 2005 at 9:54 amWow, 233 posts on Rush of all issues. Who’da thunk that a fat drug addict would attract such attention?
Well, yea Jerry Garcia did, but at least he created stuff that was beautiful. Rush, he just panders to folks who are WILLFULLY IGNORANT and prefer to be misinformed.
example – “Of course Emperor dumbya is wearing clothes! And isn’t that war in Iraq just going swell!”. See what I mean?
Stick a fork in this baby, it’s done. I say time for a new thread.
August 11th, 2005 at 10:07 amAgreed, Kindness.
August 11th, 2005 at 10:14 amHow about Paul Hackett describing the military as being used as “beat cops” by Bush on Hardball lastnight?
Jay, I think if the margin is big enough, people simply talking to each other will be able to figure out that the results don’t represent reality. Right now we have a bunch of red states telling us we’re wrong, and in many places known as “Bush country” this view appears to be near 100%, so we know at least a great number of people support Bush. But if dissent were common in every state, and Bush supporters didn’t honestly believe they were in the majority, then such a fraud would be more obvious. It has happened in other countries.
As for me, I find talk radio boring, whether right or left. I don’t like the interrupting argument format, it gives me a headache. I find TV mind-numbing. I would honestly rather read, so although I probably support Franken’s views I can’t be counted on to increase his ratings.
Perhaps Rush could really only honestly say he attracts a majority of couch potatoes and people who enjoy arguments. I’ll take Howard Dean’s advice and agree to disagree with them on whether corruption, lies, debt, and unecessary war is a good thing.
August 11th, 2005 at 10:16 amI didn’t see it. I’ll go over there and see the transcripts (if they’re up yet).
August 11th, 2005 at 10:35 amLET US ALL HOPE THAT HERR LIMBAUGH IGNORES THE DEATH
August 11th, 2005 at 10:37 amOF JENNINGS DUE TO LUNG CANCER AND INHALES THOSE
$25 CIGARS DEEPLY EACH DAY. I LIVE IN FLORIDA AND I
WILL PLAN A PARTY SO WE MAY ALL DANCE ON HIS GRAVE
AT THE CEMETARY. I CAN HARDLY WAIT.
Jay,
BradBlog, BlackBox Voting, there are so many election sites to pick from but use common sense. Extrapolate from the points Billmon makes about the recent Ohio race. When such an excellent and serious blogger as Billmon talks of tin foil hats, you know that cat is not only out of the bag, it’s dead and stinks to high heaven.
http://billmon.org/archives/002073.html
August 11th, 2005 at 10:40 amThe race must be close enough to tamper with and provide a victory margin big enough to not be questioned ot justify a recount. It’s a very small window that must be jumped through for their little fraud to be perpetrated successfully without detection. The fact that everyone is suspicious, and rightfully so, does us no good unless someone on the inside flips. And that may yet happen.
August 11th, 2005 at 10:43 amRush seems to be a man of vices, huh Phil?
August 11th, 2005 at 10:44 amDrugs, tobacco…I’ll bet it’s the tip of the iceberg.
ex-hippie,
You believe that in a country of 300+ million people, that covers as much physical terrain as does the U.S. with hundreds if not thousands of media outlets and divergent opinions, cultures, etc. that we would get a solid feel for the results of an election based on “people simply talking to each other to figure it out”? With much respect, that seems far-fetched. Sure there are millions of hard-core, reliable supporters on both sides, but this last election didn’t add up and we know there is ample evidence that crimes were committed. When I hear Democrats say “get over it”, it makes me sick to my stomach. That’s like someone stealing your wallet and raping your wife and fleeing the seen and the cops telling you to “get over it”. I’m not getting over it and I don’t think anyone should. (sorry for the rant)….
The media and the voting machines must be fixed. Congress must be forced by the will of the people to put the brakes on their greedy, self-serving ways.
August 11th, 2005 at 10:50 amOxycontin has adled his brain. If the ratings period ended prior to July 30, progressive radio did not begin in Baton Rouge or N’awlins until after that date.
Prior to July 30, he beat Dr. Laura.
Big whoop!
August 11th, 2005 at 10:53 amExit polls. Don’t listen to the bullshit spin. They are used successfully everywhere, (but here) to monitor elections for fraud and tampering.
August 11th, 2005 at 10:57 amLPL,
My point is that there are many tactics used to change the outcome of an election, some applied before, some applied during and others applied after all the ballots have been cast. I would submit that disenfranchisement of the voters in minority communities starts with harassment when they try to register, trashing of Democrat registrations once they do register, intimidation by local law enforcement based on previous offenses, bogus phone calls from political operatives that misdirect voters, the well-reported lack of voting machines in Democratic strongholds, purging of voter rolls, etc. At what point can you measure the true margins effectively? I don’t think the vote totals paint the full picture.
August 11th, 2005 at 11:01 amCheck out the list of podcast stations if you can. There are some wonderful progressive stations there too. I cant find any that support BushCo.
August 11th, 2005 at 11:01 amCan you be more specific, Susan?
August 11th, 2005 at 11:05 amIf Air America is doing so well why did they have to take a $875,000 loan from a Boys and Girls club in the Bronx? And btw, the original source of most of that dough is the federal government — taxpayer $$ earmarked for disadvantaged children is now going to prop up AA? That is pathetic.
August 11th, 2005 at 11:07 amConcerned, please refer to post #161 on this thread for your answer.
August 11th, 2005 at 11:08 amAll true, Jay. Start here, there are links to all the other sites, just google and click around some weekend.
http://www.bradblog.com/
You will get up to speed on the election fraud issue in no time. It’s not a completely lost cause and it does deserve immediate attention, no one is minimizing the danger.
August 11th, 2005 at 11:10 amOK, I’ll check it out. Thanks
August 11th, 2005 at 11:10 amComment by Concerned Conservative
You bet your ass you are concerned, and it ain’t about inner city kids, neither.
August 11th, 2005 at 11:11 amConcerned Conservative, Robroy=FAKE.
August 11th, 2005 at 11:12 amJay,
My comment was not about the integrity of the on-air talent, it was in reaction to the posts claiming that AA is doing better than Rush claimed. They can’t be doing very well for the management to pull this stunt.
I’m pretty sure the on-air talent had nothing to do with this.
August 11th, 2005 at 11:13 amLPL,
Thanks for letting me know what I am not concerned about.
Brian,
huh?
August 11th, 2005 at 11:15 amRight, it was a FORMER investor. I fail to see how this has anything to do with what AA is doing now.
August 11th, 2005 at 11:17 amTalk about willful ignorance.
Why do you bushies keep acting like the Air America fraud is going on now? The PREVIOUS director was caught with his hands in the cookie jar & fired. Air America has agreed to pay back the loans. What more would you want?
I see righties denying rush, rove, dumbya ever say or do anything wrong & thus they don’t have to apologize for squat. I tell you, sticking your head in the sand or covering your ears and yelling LALALALALA while someone is pointing out known facts isn’t the sign of a responsible and mature adult. It’s the sign of a foolish spoiled little bratty kid. Sound like bush 43? it does to me. His minions (rove, rush et al) are worse.
I think Bush41 should tan all their asses and make america better.
August 11th, 2005 at 11:20 amThey are not doing well financially — which in radio means they don’t have the audiences to bring in the ad revenue to pay the talent. Not a big deal unless you want to stay in business…
August 11th, 2005 at 11:21 amPiss off, concerned. The only thing you are concerned with is looking like a fool, but it’s already too late.
August 11th, 2005 at 11:21 amMy mistake, Concerned.
August 11th, 2005 at 11:21 amYou hope they don’t have the money. Spit in one hand and wish in the other, see which fills up first. Better yet, you should shit in your hand.
August 11th, 2005 at 11:23 amDon’t listen to his bullshit. They have plenty of sponsors.
August 11th, 2005 at 11:23 amhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_America_Radio
August 11th, 2005 at 11:24 amConservatives and Air America. They shit in their pants and wish the stains don’t show.
August 11th, 2005 at 11:26 amkindness (misleading name btw),
I can just imagine if the director of Rush’s network got caught taking taxpayer $ from a Boys & Girls club to help meet payroll. I’m sure you’d drop it after the guy resigned and they agreed to pay it back.
Sure.
August 11th, 2005 at 11:27 amLPL,
First you want me to piss off. Then you want me to shit in my hand.
I’ll be right back — need to run to the bathroom.
Heh.
August 11th, 2005 at 11:31 amIf “ifs” and “buts” were sugar and nuts? We’d all be eatin’ cookies?
August 11th, 2005 at 11:31 amWhen you use wiki as a source always click the discussion tab and the history tab to get an idea of the battle that goes on between the folks who want a truthful neutral point of view and the idiots like concerned who want to mislead, distort and spread disinformation, the GOPstapo’s prime function. Air America radio is doing fine. Where was Rush in 1994? Same place he will be in a few more years. Nowhere!
August 11th, 2005 at 11:31 amIf I had my ‘druthers, I’d want you to drop dead, concerned. Literally. But I’m really not that concerned about you.
August 11th, 2005 at 11:33 amRest assured AA will be protected by us conservatives least we be forced by the “Fairness Doctrine”. The revelation of “facts” concerning AA finances poses no threat to its existence.
August 11th, 2005 at 11:37 amConservativism is already dead, sadly.
August 11th, 2005 at 11:37 amNice LPL.
Wishing me dead.
Is that what qualifies as discourse on this site?
August 11th, 2005 at 11:38 amWhere did Rush get his start up money? It wasn’t from ad revenue. It was from rich corporate fvcks who poured money into that pig to get it where it is today. The people will put Air America on the map. Not Scaife and Olin family money.
August 11th, 2005 at 11:38 amFvck you is the closest thing to intercourse you’ve had in awhile.
August 11th, 2005 at 11:39 amLPL,
Do your parents know you visit this site?
August 11th, 2005 at 11:43 amAll,
I hope AA does keep growing — we need a balance of messages out there. That’s why I come to this site and other “progressive” sites — to get a different viewpoint.
August 11th, 2005 at 11:45 amConcerned,
Just out of curiousity (and since you’re open to alternate viewpoints) what are you concerned about?
August 11th, 2005 at 11:49 amAnd concerned, the thrust of your initial argument was in reference to their ethics regarding stealing money from a children’s organization. So now it’s about them not having enough funds? Which is it?
August 11th, 2005 at 11:52 amHe’s a liar and an agent provocateur. We don’t need to be nice to attract adherents. Bush drives them away in droves.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:00 pmJay, it is really about both but I am more ‘concerned’ with the ethics issue.
In general I am concerned about:
August 11th, 2005 at 12:01 pm1. The amount of misinformation coming from both left and right
2. The lack of knowledge that most Americans have about the world and politics
3. Mainstream media bias
4. The failure of the US to seriously address terrorism due to politically correct policies
I never apologize for being highly partisan in this matter. Any alignment with the GOP is treason, not tantamount to, but actual treason in my book. I intend to see the GOP buried before I die.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:02 pmJust keep bashing the mongoloid nazi boys over the head with facts and intelligent argument. You can sit back and watch as they boil over.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:11 pmDon’t you just love the “attack,attack,attack,I’m reasonable” strategy. Don’t get sucked in.
“Just keep bashing the mongoloid nazi boys over the head with facts and intelligent argument”
Jesus, please clarify: does ‘mongoloid nazi boys’ qualify more as a fact or an intelligent argument?
August 11th, 2005 at 12:18 pmIt’s not possible to have an intelligent argument with anyone who self-identifies as a “conservative” these days. Concerned or not, you are anything but conservative.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:22 pmRush, Bill, et.al. are the worst kind of scum. They comment on everyone’s life yet think they are not accountable for their own twisted choices and mistakes. These sick individuals are the attack dogs for the big business interests that now run the country and that pay their bidding. They have no concept of the facts or fables they speak about. If you listen, most times their rhetoric is merely misguided babble. They just spue hate-filled and charged lies and half truths to stir reaction from the weak minded individuals with a 6th grade IQ that watch and believe this crap.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:24 pmCC,
August 11th, 2005 at 12:24 pmI believe Gore Vidal coined the term in one of his essays from the 80’s.
“Do your parents know you visit this site” qualify as intelligent argument?
So, CC… Bush refuses to stand up to the Saudis, or pursue bin Laden into Pakistan, or shut down Pakistani terrorist training camps, because he’s too PC?
August 11th, 2005 at 12:25 pmHe’s an idiot. He should also ask for his money back from the IAS. He should use it to buy adult diapers if he is going to keep crapping his pants in public like this.
http://www.leadershipinstitute.org/02TRAINING/008ILS/008ILS.cfm
August 11th, 2005 at 12:31 pmO’Reilly — the self-aggrandizing loudmouth buffoon that he is — plays this same game all the time. There has been countless claims for over a year that liberal radio is “doomed” or “failing”. Isn’t it odd that this “doomed” format is still growing in stations, and in most areas, ratings? I suppose that Rush would have used “last throes” if Cheney hand’t already made a mockery of that phrase.
Liberal radio is nowhere near Conservative radio, that’s clear. We’ll never completely catch up, either. They’ve had a 20-year head start, are excessively well-funded by greedy millionaires and station owners who want to push a political agenda, and they appeal to people who are closed-minded and unwilling to listen to other opinions. Fair enough, even if it is unfortunate.
But the trends are clear — liberal radio is growing, and the monopoly of opinion radio is ending. Desperate and misleading press releases will not change this. You can’t fool all the people all the time, no matter how loud you screech. Press releases like this merely prove that they are scared that they have lost their monopoly, and makes them look pathetic.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:34 pm1. The amount of misinformation coming from both left and right
Only comes from the right
2. The lack of knowledge that most Americans have about the world and politics
That’s what the right wants
3. Mainstream media bias
LMAO!
4. The failure of the US to seriously address terrorism due to politically correct policies
ROTFLMAO!
August 11th, 2005 at 12:35 pmConservative,
OK, since you’re making an honest attempt to define your position, I’ll make an honest attempt to respond.
By all accounts Michael Moore is the rightwing poster-boy for leftwing lunacy, misinformation and lies. The extreme left, a total nutjob…correct? So lets take his claims and see if has backed any of them up with investigative journalism, facts, or the truth.
http://www.michaelmoore.com/books-films/f911reader/index.php?id=16
There, an entire series of references that back every claim he made in Fahrenheit 911.
If you can provide a similar source of credible references for Bill O’Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity or any of the far right propagandists, I’m all ears. If you’d like to move a little further to the right of Moore, it’s even easier to provide data to back up the long litany of complaints regarding the Bush adminstration and the GOP. Pick any topic, and story and I’d be happy to debate it on its merits. If I’m wrong, I’ll admit it. Unfortunately for today’s conservatives, nearly everything their leadership asserts these days is completely dishonest so I’m not too worried about that debate.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:38 pmLiberal radio is nowhere near Conservative radio, that’s clear. We’ll never completely catch up, either. They’ve had a 20-year head start, are excessively well-funded by greedy millionaires and station owners who want to push a political agenda, and they appeal to people who are closed-minded and unwilling to listen to other opinions. Fair enough, even if it is unfortunate.
It’s a zero-sum game. Every listener we gain is a loss for them. We will, given time, knock them down and out. Be patient.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:38 pmOK, since you’re making an honest attempt to define your position, I’ll make an honest attempt to respond.
An honest conservative? Where? Not since Eisenhower, Goldwater, maybe.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:39 pmLPL, I like you, you’re fired up and bringing something to the table. How long have you been raging against the wingnut machine?
August 11th, 2005 at 12:42 pmJust a hunch, a sincere and disenchanted conservative will not sign on to comment here advertising himself from the get-go as such. I have noticed many here that fit that bill, but they never self-identified.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:42 pmPerhaps sincere and disenchanted conservatives are now going by another name? They’re gonna have to kick those Diebold machines into another gear for 06.
The tide has most definitely turned.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:45 pm“So, CC… Bush refuses to stand up to the Saudis, or pursue bin Laden into Pakistan, or shut down Pakistani terrorist training camps, because he’s too PC?”
Yes, that is correct. Or rather that Bush would not have the support to do these things because he is surrounded by too many PC politicians (on both sides).
August 11th, 2005 at 12:52 pmLet’s not get all bent out of shape over bushies that come here and post inflamatory stuff. That is their modus operandi and they mean to distract us from our discussions and our message to the others reading blogs for the first time.
Don’t get wildly angry at fools. That only means they have succeded in their actions. Speak frankly and honestly to those that show a willingness to converse. This rules out the ned trolls, but cc, I’ll answer him. He’s parroting half truths. If he doesn’t know they are half truths, it’s up to us to tell him we know the whold truth and tell it like it is.
The Air America thing is ugly. But they handled it with grace and responsibility. We all only wish dumby was capable of the same thing. Unfortunately bushco has shown over and over that partisainship trumps action and true leadership. It worked for them for 1 term. it ain’t workin’ any more & the bushies are freaked. They aren’t sure what to do.
Honesty, open-ness & being rational will show us the majority in 06. let’s go out and get it.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:54 pmbte cc – yea, I do think getting bin laden is more important than getting Saddam was & I think we should cross Pakistans borders to do it. Get him & get out. Will that piss off a whole lot of folks? Yes, too bad.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:57 pmSo was Bush “PC” when he ignored the UN, ignored many of our staunchest allies and pre-emptively invaded a sovereign nation anyway? Was he “PC” when he was booting Democrats or non-supporters out of his campaign events? Or how about when he was paying journalists to lie about his programs? Or suppressing the black vote? What about when he wouldn’t testify under oath for the 9/11 Commission?
Oh he’s “PC” alright.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:57 pmJay,
Glad to see you are open to real dialogue.
Re. Michael Moore, I’m not qualified for that debate as I have not seen his films. I did check out this website though and it seems like some of what he does is misleading, if not distortion or even lies.
http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/index.htm
Re. Hannity et al — I listen to them occasionally and would be happy to talk about their accuracy if you like.
But I’ll pick a topic to get us started. How about “Bush lied about weapons of mass destruction”. I hear that one all the time from the left. The FACT is that the UN, France, Germany all believed Iraq had them — virtually ALL intelligence at the time indicated that Saddam had them. Clinton’s adminstration issued a report stating that he had them and was working on nuclear capability.
If you believe something is true, then you aren’t lying when you say it. If it is proved untrue later, then you were wrong but not a liar.
August 11th, 2005 at 1:12 pmJay, Bush is not very PC at all — as your evidence suggests (don’t agree on the black vote suppression one, btw). Without advisors and other politicians restraining him I think he would be even less PC than he has been.
August 11th, 2005 at 1:20 pmThe UN wanted proof, Bushco doesn’t care. He has an AGENDA.
August 11th, 2005 at 1:23 pmOk, here is some proof to back up the assertion that the Bush admin lied about WMD:
Please read the text and also watch the video. I’m pretty saure that both Rice and Powell were clued in to what the administration knew…but maybe not?
http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/powell-no-wmd.htm
On suppressing the black vote, you may be right in not blaming Bush….but I can blame the GOP:
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/12/08/1520204
August 11th, 2005 at 1:35 pmSeems like the position kept changing over time. From the Clinton admin. (”definitely had WMD”) to early Bush admin. (your reference here — “limited ability to use WMD”) to after Afghanistan (imminent threat). Not sure if this constities lying — could be based on shifting intelligence reports — but it is awfully inconsistent, I’ll grant you that.
Re. the suppression of black votes in Ohio — I’d go after the people in charge in those voting districts on why they don’t have a better process in place. BTW, I’m pretty sure that you’d find those people are mostly Dems.
August 11th, 2005 at 1:50 pmMr. Rob Roy served in old Vietnam
Now he takes every needless new war with aplomb
Of course he was there in the fight at Grenada
Which served to distract from the Beirut bomb slaughter (this rhymes in Boston)
And lo, when a Bush turns against an old crony
He’s all for the cause, no matter how phony
Noriega, Saddam, for Bush One and Two
When they screw an old pal he’s the tip of the screw
He tells himself now that he fought for our freedom
Not to dispose of old thugs when we no longer need ‘em
But wars make our country less free, it’s fact
August 11th, 2005 at 2:18 pmDon’t take it from me, read the Patriot Act
In response to post 304, here’s the major flaw with your statement, All of the speeches that stated Iraq was a threat were stated in 2002-2003. The speeches that said Iraq was not a threat were given in 2001. That means that there is at least one (1) year for Iraq to become a threat to the US. It may be hard to believe but it is possible for a country to become a threat within a year. Take Japan for example, in 1939 Japan was not a threat to the US, however in 1940 they were when they joined the axis, (and in 1941 they made a big mistake) See how in one year it is possible for a country, who originally posed no threat to the Us to become a threat?
August 11th, 2005 at 2:21 pmIn order for your statement to have any merit you need to prove that after the speeches of 2003 were given, Bush was given information that clearly opposite to current intelligence that showed Iraq was not a threat to the US, but still lead us to war anyway.
drveby…I got your back lol
August 11th, 2005 at 2:25 pmFor every 2 conservatives in America there are 2 progressives, 2 liberals and 1 moderate. The problem is that the 2 out of 7 own the media and thus control the spin, advertising, and air time.
If a lineup of Ed Schultz, Thom Hartmann,and Randi Rhodes went head to head versus a lineup of Limbaugh, Hannity and whatever conservatives you conservatives want with the same equipment with the same amount of money from advertisers and in the exact same markets, Limbaugh and Hannity would get their butts kicked EVERYWHERE.
August 11th, 2005 at 2:28 pmit is well known that Scooter Libby ran an operation that had a name what was it? Office of Special Ops or some such. They cherry picked all data – and when all else failed used Chalabi’s b.s. propaganda.
It is a fact that this adminstration was gunning for war with Iraq as step one of PNAC. It is also clear that they would use all data supporting that goal. So no surprise the trolls regurgitate here. France, Germany the entire world “thought”. oops sorry about that. Clinton thought so too. oops we bombed killed and maimed thousands. oops we were all fooled. Only those doing the fooling and many of those being fooled cling to that notion.
Who cares? Clinton is not in office. Not the UN nor any other country can commit our forces to war. Only Bush can (as congress blew off it’s war making duties.). And he did. I hope in the end he succeeds in making the middle east a beacon of democracy. But nothing so far shows that we are headed that way. If he fails – we all fail. I do not like our chances based on his track record.
August 11th, 2005 at 2:39 pmRatings, shmatings! People can manipulate numbers to suit their agenda.
If you want to see the influence of an Al Franken ignore his numbers and look at how they come out for him.
Anybody remember the anti-Bush shout out that Franken spent a week promoting before the Repubpican convention? He stated that anything under 100 million people would be considered a failure. So how many people actually participated?
Remember Franken’s birthday wish – for his fans to make a financial contribution to the Wellstone memorial fund? Anybody remember how many donors there were? No? Okay I’ll tell you. About 160 people contributed a measly $8000+.
So I don’t care what his ratings are or aren’t. the fact is even his listeners don’t respect him.
August 11th, 2005 at 2:48 pmHappy guy is full of it. He got his talking points from alanskorski.blogspot.com. A dittohead lying sack of sh** who is writing a smear book on Franken
August 11th, 2005 at 2:52 pmYes dicky, it was called the Office of Special Plans and the term that’s used in CIA circles (according to all of the articles that I read on this topic) is stovepiping.
So republican and proud you lead me to my next point. Not only did Rice and Powell report that we had Hussein boxed in, but there were a number of voices inside the intelligence community, the military, and the adminsitration itself that knew that there were no WMD and they reported that to the administration. The degree to which Cheney, Rumsfled, Wolfowitz, et al. were willing to fabricate evidence on WMD (in conjunction with the PNAC goals), while ignoring evidence to the contrary has been highlighted by a number of leaked documents. Read Richard Clarke’s book for an insider account. Go back and look up Larry Johnson’s warnings before the invasion of Iraq. Look at what happended with Joe Wilson when he decided to serve his country before the liars in power and told the truth about the uranium deal. Who forged documents and ensured that they reached the hands of Italian intelligence?
Dude, the evidence is unassailable. Are you telling me that the preemptive warrior isn’t the one that needs to present the evidence to support his case? No fvcking way. They cherry-picked the intelligence they needed to justify their ideological goals. It’s imperialistic, it’s stupid, it’s a crime and it’s wrong. Period, end of story.
August 11th, 2005 at 3:01 pmAre you still wasting your time with this idiot? Drop the dead weight. He’s not concerned about anything except losing power and he’s no conservative. A real conservative dumped Bush before the 2004 election.
August 11th, 2005 at 3:34 pmHere is more evidence that they knew full well that there were no WMD, from David Sirota and Christy Harvey herself:
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/
August 11th, 2005 at 3:35 pmIgnore them. Jack Abramoff has been indicted. They will be joining him soon. Don’t drop the soap, girls.
August 11th, 2005 at 3:35 pmLPL, I prefer not to argue with people that agree with me wholeheartedly. There are surely people out there that have not yet been exposed to the truth (no idea how that’s possible but…c’est la vie). Let’s at least pretend we’re making an effort to change peoples minds here. OK with you?
August 11th, 2005 at 3:38 pmLPL, I like you, you’re fired up and bringing something to the table. How long have you been raging against the wingnut machine?
Comment by Jay
I was for the invasion of Iraq, am still convinced we should have gone into Afghanistan, I figured out we were played for patsies about june of last year. I never vote Republican, am registered Dem, but am politically independent. Wouldn’t register indie with this GOP. They must be buried. Forever.
August 11th, 2005 at 3:38 pmJust so long as you realize they are plants, not sincere, have at it.
August 11th, 2005 at 3:39 pmAnd have yerself a good old time.
August 11th, 2005 at 3:41 pmLPL,
In that case (you were for the Iraq war), I may be further along in the “our democracy is on its deathbed” grieveing process. I knew these guys were dangerous, lying frauds long before Iraq and as angry as I get at times (and justifiably so) if there can be no discussion and no listening at all, to anyone….we gain nothing. I honestly don’t think everyone that supports Bush on this or any blog is a plant. Some are surely only here to gum up the works but others just don’t know the truth and I don’t mind repeating it, over and over again if that’s what it takes. Besides, repetition is how the rightwing has managed to convince its masses about untruths….it will work with truths too. Until they blow themselves up (and they usually do) I give them the benefit of the doubt if they seem civilized.
August 11th, 2005 at 4:05 pmI am very pro-military and hawkish, but only for legitimate defense. I was taken in like many Americans. I am angry about that, like many Americans. Our Dept. of Defense in really a War Dept. And it makes war at the behest of Corporate interests, not security interests. They should all hang, and I hope the military brings the rope.
August 11th, 2005 at 4:12 pmSome are surely only here to gum up the works but others just don’t know the truth and I don’t mind repeating it, over and over again if that’s what it takes.
And you are doing an excellent job. You be the good cop, I’ll be the bad and we can get a confession out of all the scumbags.
August 11th, 2005 at 4:14 pmWorks for me, ultimately we have the same goal. Put these lying, murderous scumbags out of their misery (not the misinformed masses mind you…only the rightwing political/media machine). Just when they expect us to pull our heels off of their throats, we should press them further into their windpipes. I have no problem being bad cop if necessary. Glad you are on our side.
August 11th, 2005 at 4:23 pmBTW, if you have not yet discovered buzzflash.com, it’s an essential bookmark if you want to stay on top of every move these criminals make. Constant updated links to every media outlet imaginable. They’re the best.
August 11th, 2005 at 4:25 pmI know about Buzzflash, I check them all out.
August 11th, 2005 at 4:51 pmRobert Parry’s
http://www.consortiumnews.com/
And Greg Palast’s site are good, too.
http://www.gregpalast.com/
Palast was one of the first to get on the election fraud stuff back in 2000.
August 11th, 2005 at 4:53 pmMessage to anyone who listens to Rush Limbaugh:
“YOU’RE AN IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
August 11th, 2005 at 5:00 pmHey Jay….
When and where did Powell and rice say we had Hussein Boxed in, who are these “number of voices” inside the intelligence community… You are claiming things as if they are evidence that directly contradict me without proof what so ever simply adding things like “the evidence is unassailable” doesn’t make it true…
http://www.opinionjournal.com/la/?id=110004893
this is all I have to say on Clarke.
Bush didn’t act on unclear intelligence from Johnson about pre 9/11 possible attacks…”Bin Laden Determined To Strike in US” doesn’t really provide any of the major informational points such as: what, where or when I don’t understand where your stance is. The US should attack based on poor intelligence or not.. Because when we act on intelligence from a bunch of other nations you throw a hissy fit and say Bush made that up, but brutally clear intelligence like “Bin Laden Determined To Strike in US” is definitely something to act on.
As for the Wilson Deal… Wilson’s wife asked the CIA to send hubby on unpaid trip to Africa to see if Saddam. tried to purchase Uranium(unprocessed) Wilson finds nothing, Wilson reports that he found nothing, Bush use’s British intelligence to the contrary of Wilson. Thus Wilson assumes Bush was talking about his report because clearly Wilson was the only person in the entire world who could have possibly done any research in the area on that particular subject.
August 11th, 2005 at 5:51 pmrepub and proud,
Did you read the quotes from Rice and Powell in link I left above from 2001? What wasn’t clear about Powell’s quote regarding Hussein and Iraq: “He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors.”?
August 11th, 2005 at 7:25 pmAre we working with the same language? To me, unable to project conventional power against his neighbors certainly precludes him from doing the same against the USA (in fact, claiming he was a threat to our safety seemed patently absurd at the time and even more so now)…and this was their rationale for invading. It’s slap you in the face evidence whether you like it or not. I would say that members of Bush’s cabinet making statements that clearly and directly contradict their rationale for war within a year of their starting their drumbeat is pretty damning evidence.
If you didn’t read Richard Clarke’s book yourself I suggest you do so and draw your own conclusions. I finished it this spring and it’s facts have not been disputed. In fact, the book had to be cleared with the White House and if their were errors or mistakes they would have corrected. Read the book and get back to me, he lays out the Bush admins response to 9/11 pretty clearly. They were waiting for an excuse and they got it.
I’ll be back to debunk your other claims latrer…fatherhood calls.
Republican and Proud! LOL! Nice try! Why not just admit you wear a white sheet and have SS and Swatstika tatoos!
August 11th, 2005 at 7:55 pmHey Jay….
When and where did Powell and rice say we had Hussein Boxed in, who are these “number of voices� inside the intelligence community…
Hey, Republican and Stupid. Rent F 9/11 and watch them say it for yourself. Fvckwad!
August 11th, 2005 at 7:57 pmDumb, stupid, ignorant, useless piece of fvckwad trash. Thank you. I feel much better.
August 11th, 2005 at 8:00 pm“WLIB (New York) has now had a full year, a generous amount of time in broadcasting, to build an audience and figures are still flat compared with the previous niche Caribbean format the station featured.”
1. Tell us how strong a signal WLIB has, and what its range is.
August 11th, 2005 at 8:04 pm2. Tell us how strong the signals are of WLIB, and what their ranges are.
“air america will be history w/i 6 months”
Wrong. It will be history in a month…after it started in March 2004.
Remeber how all your winger buddies were saying that last year?
August 11th, 2005 at 8:12 pmCorrection:
““WLIB (New York) has now had a full year, a generous amount of time in broadcasting, to build an audience and figures are still flat compared with the previous niche Caribbean format the station featured.â€?
1. Tell us how strong a signal WLIB has, and what its range is.
August 11th, 2005 at 8:19 pm2. Tell us how strong the signals are of WLIB’s competitors, and what their ranges are.
Hey, Republican and Stupid. Rent F 9/11 and watch them say it for yourself. Fvckwad!
Comment by Eat The Lazy Rich  August 11, 2005 @ 7:57 pm
I would never rent that POS movie because the WSJ said they could see Michael Moore’s hand up Condi and Colin’s ass making their lips move, just like Karl does for Chimpy! Neener! Neener! Neener!
August 11th, 2005 at 8:34 pmThis is for all you unPatriotic Republicans, who put your party’s interest ahead of America’s interest:
How Republican Senator Pat Roberts “fixed” the 9-11 investigation:
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/HowSenate_Intelligence_chairman_fixed_intelligence_and_diverted_blame_fromWhite_House__0811.html
http://rawstory.com/robertsintel.htm
http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00001684.htm#comments
August 11th, 2005 at 8:58 pmRandi Rhodes ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Check out Al Franken on the Sundance Channel if you get it. Fridays he has on Joe Conanson, who is waaaaay smart and some tasty eye candy.
Liberal guys make me HOT!!!!
August 11th, 2005 at 8:59 pmrepub and proud: What do you have to say about your party???
August 11th, 2005 at 8:59 pmRegarding message 33, No, the BFI (big fat idiot) appeals to moron souless cretons who are totally UN-informed.
Liberals don’t need Faux TV to brainwash people. What we need is to keep the net free and open.
The Revolution Will Be Blogged!!!
August 11th, 2005 at 9:07 pmLiberal chicks are hottest!
August 11th, 2005 at 10:41 pmHey! I think that’s the cigar I gave Rush after I used it on Monic..Oh, never mind.
August 11th, 2005 at 10:54 pmrepub and proud,
The August 6th PDB that you refer to (Bin Laden determined to strike within U.S.) was a serious warning and as Tenet put it at the time, the warning lights were flashing red. If you recall, Bush not only didn’t respond with action, he remained on vacation in Crawford. Of course when the wingnuts in Congress wanted to pass an 11th hour bill to keep Terry Schiavo on life support Bush flew back from the ranch in the middle of the night so that he could sign on. Talk about fvcked up priorities…but that’s another story. The issue with the PDB was the fact that after 9/11 the Bush administration (Condi specfically) claimed that they had no idea that terrorists were planning a large-scale attack using aircraft as weapons. The Aug. 11th PDB put the lie to that.
Finally, as for your claims on Wilson, I don’t care if Underdog sent him on that mission to Niger, he was sent to gather intelligence on whether or not Iraq was in the process of trying to obtain urnaium from Niger. He reported back to the administration with a definitive answer that posed a significant roadblock to their Iraq plans. When they decided to discard that intelligence and made the false claim on “significant quantities of uranium”, Wilson wasn’t going to stand by and let that lie stand. So he went public with the truth and we all know how the Bushies responded.
Any more questions?
August 11th, 2005 at 11:06 pm[...] Lies, Damn Lies, and Limbaugh’s Press Release About Progressive Radio: Yesterday, Rush Limbaugh, through his radio syndicator Premiere Radio Networks, sent out a press release titled “Limbaugh Leads the Race Against Liberal Talkers,” purportedly comparing his ratings to those of progressive talk stations. <snip> The reality is that in several major markets, ratings for progressive talk are booming. In Denver, Air America’s ratings are up 500% from one year ago. Seattle’s newly talk-formatted KPTK, doubled in the winter [ratings] book, Portland’s KPOJ-AM grew 1000% in audience share. In conservative San Diego, KLSD-AM went up 73%. Other markets with similar success include: Boston, Phoenix, Minneapolis, Sacramento and Columbus. Rush is even on the verge of being overtaken in his own home state. An even more interesting comparison is found when looking at stations with integrated lineups that carry both Rush and a progressive host. In that apples-to-apples comparison, we see that Rush Limbaugh and Ed Schultz are actually very competitive. (Via Think Progress.) [...]
August 11th, 2005 at 11:44 pmWhen Rush and his compatriots who placed themselves in government through equally dishonest and illegal conduct whine, one can only wonder just what they’re afraid of. The truth? Facts? Even more astounding…those who believe that the same “religous right Christians” who now control just about every vestige of power of government and corporate America are “victims” of the so-called secular liberals. When fear and victimization are necessary for public support, public awareness and awakening cannot be far behind. Congrats to Air America as it expands that awareness with clear and frank talk radio.
August 12th, 2005 at 10:22 amMuch hate in these posts…
August 12th, 2005 at 10:45 am-”[Saddam Hussein] will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has 10 times since 1983.” – National Security Adviser Sandy Berger to President Clinton, 1998
-”If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program.” – President Bill Clinton, 1998
-”[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.” – Sens. Carl Levin, D-Mich., Tom Daschle, D-S.D., John Kerry, D-Mass., and others in a letter to President Bill Clinton, 1998
-”Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology … ” – Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., (now House minority leader), 1998
-”Hussein has … chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies.” – Secretary of State Madeline Albright to President Clinton, 1999
-”Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He … is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them.” – Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., 2002
-”We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.” – Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., 2002
August 12th, 2005 at 3:11 pmI hate connies. I want to kill a connie for the real Jesus Christ.
August 12th, 2005 at 4:00 pmYoda — allow me to correct your syntax to be more, well, Yoda-like:
“In these posts, much hate, there is.”
August 12th, 2005 at 9:03 pmBrandi — You are correct! Yet still wrong.
You are correct in the sense that many people felt that Hussein had, or was working on, WMD, throughout the late 1990s. Also, after the Bush administration (with some help from Judy Miller of the NYT, who were both getting their information from the same source — a person that the CIA had long identified as being “untrustworthy”), started sensationalizing the evidence.
But here’s where your argument falls apart. One, evidence has since come out there there were many, many known questions at that time within the Bush and Blair administrations about the “proof” being offerred about their WMD programs. Evidence that the Bush administration ignored or purposefully suppressed.
Second, it is a known fact that Cheney, Rumsfield, Wolfowitz and Perle all advocated an invasion of Iraq before even the 2000 elections — and not necessarily for WMD reasons.
Third, Wolfowitz has even admitted on the record that the WMD rationale was a convenient one, not one out of true urgency.
The truth hurts — it’s that the Bush Administration was determined to go into Iraq all along — regardless of the facts. This is consistent with how they govern. Ideology first, facts be damned. They wanted to go in for a combination of imperialism, war profiteering for their associates in the defense and energy industries, and genuine belief that the world should be like the U.S. Likely, in that order.
And here’s why I KNOW that you’re wrong. Why on earth would you invade Iraq if the WMD issue was at issue IF WEAPONS INSPECTORS WERE IN IRAQ CONDUCTING INSPECTIONS? One thing is clear — if Saddam DID have a program, it certainly would have been on hold while inspectors were combing the country.
But the U.S. kicked the inspectors out, ignored the questions about the validity of the WMD claims, and started bombing. Why? Because they wanted to go into Iraq the whole time, and they feared that their rationale could be exposed as a fraud.
Keep in mind, Brandi — You could genuinely believe that Iraq had WMD and still be lying about the evidence and the urgency. At the least, that’s what the Bush Administration did.
But here’s the entire Iraq scandal, simplified: FOLLOW THE MONEY. Who has made money on this? Not the brave but screwed-over U.S. Soldiers who are dying and getting wounded, while the Bush administration nicely cut their medical and family benefits. Not the thousands of Iraqis, many innocent, who have been killed, wounded, or tortured. Not the Iraqi people, who are living in a civil war and whose electrical and water service is worse that it was before the U.S. came in.
No, it’s been defense contractors, Oil companies, and the young-and-untrained College Republican graduates that the CPA brought in to run the country and hand out billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars. Billions of dollars are unaccounted for from both the CPA activities and Halliburton contracts. Nothing in this paragraph is a coincidence. That was the intent all along, and it’s the only thing — short of Saddam’s arrest — that has actually been accomplished in Iraq.
August 12th, 2005 at 9:31 pmShe doesn’t care. She hates those “dark people” with the suicide bombs. If only they would just learn to be exploited and exterminated dociley, like the Jews were by the Nazis and the negro slaves before them, by other white men..
August 13th, 2005 at 10:08 amVERBATIM QUOTES FROM WHEN CLINTON WAS COMMITTING TROOPS TO BOSNIA:
“You can support the troops but not the president.”
—Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)
“Well, I just think it’s a bad idea. What’s going to happen is they’re going to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 years.”
—Joe Scarborough (R-FL)
“Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?”
—Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99
“[The] President . . . is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation’s armed forces about how long they will be away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy.”
—Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA)
“American foreign policy is now one huge big mystery. Simply put, the administration is trying to lead the world with a feel-good foreign policy.”
—Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)
“If we are going to commit American troops, we must be certain they have a clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy.”
—Karen Hughes, speaking on behalf of George W Bush
“I had doubts about the bombing campaign from the beginning . . I didn’t think we had done enough in the diplomatic area.”
—Senator Trent Lott (R-MS)
“I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarified rules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our over-extended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today”
—Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)
“Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is.”
August 13th, 2005 at 10:09 am—Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)
http://www.ejscoffeelounge.us/WhatWouldYouDo.mp3
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