AUDIO EXCLUSIVE: Cindy Sheehan Responds To Right Wing Smear
AUDIO EXCLUSIVE: Cindy Sheehan Responds To Right Wing Smear
The right-wing may be on the attack, but Cindy Sheehan’s voice won’t be silenced. She appeared on the Bill Press Show (with Christy Harvey) this morning to continue speaking truth to power. Here’s Cindy Sheehan, in her own words —
One of the more underhanded smears launched by the right wing came when Michelle Malkin said she didn’t think Casey Sheehan, Cindy’s son killed in Iraq, would approve of what his mom was doing. This morning Sheehan responded:
“I didn’t know Casey knew Michelle Malkin…I’m Casey’s mother and I knew him better than anybody else in the world…I can’t bring Casey back, but I wonder how often Michelle Malkin sobbed on his grave. Did she go to his funeral? Did she sit up with him when he was sick when he was a baby?” LISTEN TO CINDY
Cindy also is standing tough against the rest of the radical right mouthpieces, calling Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’Reilly, Sean Hannity and Matt Drudge “despicable”:
“[They don’t have skin in the game. They don’t have anybody over there. They don’t have sleepless nights worried about their loved ones.” LISTEN TO CINDY
Note to White House: Cindy Sheehan’s not giving up. You can listen to the rest of this morning’s interview HERE.
(You can support Cindy Sheehan by visiting her website, www.meetwithcindy.org.)
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“”She has aligned herself now with Michael Moore, who considers those very Iraqi terrorists Minutemen. That’s what he calls them! He’s likening them to the American revolutionaries and considers them heroes. I can’t imagine that Casey Sheehan would approve of such behavior, conduct and rhetoric.”
So Malkin was panning Moore’s behavior. Nice job of “Dowdifying” her quote
August 11th, 2005 at 10:39 amCould we expect any better (or worse) than the treatment that has been doled out to Ms. Sheehan? They disparaged their icon’s widow, Nancy Reagan, when she called for an increase in stem-cell funding soon after his passing.
I can admire someone for sticking to their principles, when they have them. When you value being ‘right’ above all else, then you are simply wrong.
August 11th, 2005 at 10:46 amBrainster,
August 11th, 2005 at 10:51 amI’ll respond to you one time. Stay away from semantics. We get the jest of Malkin just fine.
This site scares the hell out of the right. I love that.
August 11th, 2005 at 10:52 amSpeaking of semantics, “gist” “jest”, why bother speaking of Malkin or responding to Brainster at all. This site scares them so bad they wet themselves when they get here.
August 11th, 2005 at 10:53 amBrainster  Nice Spin. The Point is that Malkin is trying to put words in a dead soldier’s mouth. It’s a ridiculous form of argument - I asked Ronald Reagan and he agreed with me.
August 11th, 2005 at 10:56 amCindy Sheehan has the right to say whatever she wants. Her family has devoted their lives to the military and thats more than any chickenhawk can say.
My dad was a Korean War Veteran and I guarantee that if he could speak from the grave he would invite Cindy over for a beer and they would spend hours talking about what a disgrace the Bush administration is to REAL PATRIOTS.
August 11th, 2005 at 10:57 amThanks, LPL. I’m still waking up. It is a rather nice slip of the keyboard tongue, however.
August 11th, 2005 at 10:58 amNotice how quick they respond? They must be monitoring this site. I’m holding up my second, third, and fourth fingers. Read between the lines, GOP.
August 11th, 2005 at 10:59 amI know if they are visiting Brainster they are certainly not posting…
August 11th, 2005 at 11:01 amNo biggy, I do it myself. We all do.
I didn’t visit Brainless’s site until you mentioned it.
I wonder if he knows Churchill was a liberal?
August 11th, 2005 at 11:05 amAnd if he’s a Brit, he should.
August 11th, 2005 at 11:06 amIf you’re gonna back junior in this invasion, I say, put your a$s where your mouth is.
August 11th, 2005 at 11:09 amThe sad thing, other than the obvious disrespect being piled on Cindy, is that I flipped through the news channels last night and this morning for news about Cindy’s sit-in and there was nothing. I probably missed something on Fox…
August 11th, 2005 at 11:14 amIsn’t this eerily similar to the tactic O’Reilly used to try to shut up the young guy whose dad died in the World Trade Center — out of respect for your father, I don’t have to listen to your foolishness? Only this time Malkin says it. Apparently to the right every dead person is a blank canvas onto which they can paint anything they want.
August 11th, 2005 at 11:17 amBrainless ain’t a conservative. He’s a fascist pig. Quite a few Brits were sympathetic to the Nazis. I bet Brainless’ father was Lord Haw Haw
Quotes Falsely Attributed
These quotes make for good story-telling but popular myth has falsely attributed them to Churchill.
“Conservative by the time you’re 35″
“If you’re not a liberal when you’re 25, you have no heart. If you’re not a conservative by the time you’re 35, you have no brain.” There is no record of anyone hearing Churchill say this. Paul Addison of Edinburgh University makes this comment: “Surely Churchill can’t have used the words attributed to him. He’d been a Conservative at 15 and a Liberal at 35! And would he have talked so disrespectfully of Clemmie, who is generally thought to have been a lifelong Liberal?”
http://winstonchurchill.org/ i4a/ pages/ index.cfm?pageid=112
August 11th, 2005 at 11:17 am[…] Think Progress has the audio and transcript of Cindy Sheehan responding to the smear campaign she’s been getting from the wingnuts. I particularly liked this comment about Michelle Malkin’s ability to talk to folks beyond the grave: “I didn’t know Casey knew Michelle Malkin…I’m Casey’s mother and I knew him better than anybody else in the world…I can’t bring Casey back, but I wonder how often Michelle Malkin sobbed on his grave. Did she go to his funeral? Did she sit up with him when he was sick when he was a baby?” […]
August 11th, 2005 at 11:18 amLOL when I tried to open brianster’s site I got ” this document contains no data”. guess you could say the same thing about him.
Was wondering exactly how has Cindy Sheehan aligned herself with micheal moore? did they sighn a pact? and if they did what does that have to do with her unapphiness about the death of her son?
August 11th, 2005 at 11:21 amI just posted this at Brainster:
Here’s the definition of align:
-To arrange in a line or so as to be parallel
-To ally (oneself, for example) with one side of an argument or cause.
If Malkin says Sheehan is aligned with Moore, then she’s saying Sheehan = Moore. They’re the same thing when you align them. They’re on the same team, according to Malkin. Therefor, when Malkin says Casey Sheehan would never approve of Michael Moore’s behavior, she’s saying the same thing about Cindy Sheehan.
The cropping of Malkin’s quote is in this case (and I acknowledge that it’s rare) accurate and acceptable.
August 11th, 2005 at 11:24 amdropping micheal moores name was simply a way to villify cindy sheehan in the minds of the right wing.. I noticed Brainster has not posted again here. too afraid to I would guess.
August 11th, 2005 at 11:27 amNew right wing slogan: Support Our Troops - Trash Their Moms.
August 11th, 2005 at 11:32 amI think we should all e-mail MSM and find out why there is no coverage, I think we all know the spin, or I should say the lack or response. How could we organize a few thoussand or more people to go down ther and support her? This women is an icon, exactly what we have been waiting to rally behind. We should be contacting our congressman and asking them to press that spineless King George and find out why he won’t even acknowledge the woman.
August 11th, 2005 at 11:42 amI hope we can get her some additional support, I think we could make this the beginning of the end for this fascist reich.
In a sane civilized society (a culture of life), the worst that would be said of a “Cindy Sheehan” is; “I don’t agree with her, but I feel for her loss”. How low can they go. I don’t really want to know.
August 11th, 2005 at 11:51 amI’m in Fort Worth and will be heading there Saturday.
I plan on bringing some food and drinks. I’m trying to think of what to put on my protest poster. Any good ideas?
Something short and to the point like - Worried about one Mom? Just Wait!
August 11th, 2005 at 11:53 amI think this lady is an American hero, something we have been sorely in need of for a couple of years, now.
August 11th, 2005 at 11:54 amMy hope is that she’ll spark peaceful demonstrations of such size and scope as to get these arrogant chickenhawks on the run, and perhaps turn the mid-terms our way. Enough is enough. And I can’t see how they will score with anyone but their most fanatical supporters when they stoop to trashing the mother of a dead soldier. Conservatives (true conservatives, that is) are already deserting them in droves.
Whenever you hear any right-wing bigmouth cite Michael Moore, MoveOn.org, George Soros or Hillary Clinton it means they have aboslutely nothing to their argument and are relying of their followers to associate the liberal bogeymen with whomever is there target.
Bill O’Reilly’s “No Spin Zone” is a ridiculous joke.
August 11th, 2005 at 11:54 amI have tried to get my local rag’s attention to this - nothing doing. They soil their shorts at the thought of bringing duh-bya’s name into something that doesn’t shower him with praise. And to think, my uber-con mom doesn’t like the same paper ’cause it is too “liberal”!?!?! Only one local news outlet has mentioned Ms Sheehan’s situation, and yet even that was because some local ladies piled in a van and scooted on out to Crawford to support Cindy. I e-mailed Cindy just last week and she was super kind by responding before she bugged out to Dallas.
August 11th, 2005 at 11:55 amWhat gets me about the O’Lie-llys and Malkin’s of this sad world is that they are acting like Cindy is ‘anti-military’ - no she couldn’t be more pro-military, she doesn’t want them MISUSED the way they are. Last time I checked, they take an oath to UPHOLD the Constitution of the U.S., and to defend it against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Well, our guys/gals need to be back here to get the biggest terrahrist permanently out of the White House and imprisoned on his pseudo-ranch w/all the horses that could scare him into one of the torture sit’s at Gitmo/Abu Ghraib! I have a very dear friend over in Iraq and I want to see him again, safe and sound! Not sacrificed to the glory of shrub and the profit machines at Halli-burden and the gas co. exec’s golden retirements. This crap needs to end now.
Thanks for this opportunity to post - I enjoy reading the posts by the intelligent folks (that would pretty much exclude the ‘rightwingers’ to a stern degree).
‘THIS’ would be just why a C student should NEVER be elected to such a position.
Comment by Rusty Shackleford
You should use your real name here.
Krusty Shicklgruber. Dr. Krusty Shicklgruber to no one but yourself. And I will sue you for malpractice and pretending to have a brain.
August 11th, 2005 at 11:58 amI doubt Moore ment the “Minutemen” of 1776.
August 11th, 2005 at 11:59 amHowever the “Minutemen” of 1996 or 2006 are every bit a terrorist organization. They preach guerilla warfare & espouse tactical uses of guns.
Right on Elspeth, except shrub wasn’t elected. :)
August 11th, 2005 at 11:59 amApparently to the right every dead person is a blank canvas onto which they can paint anything they want.
So Bush’s plan is to create a lot more blank canvases for his allies.
Oh and news for Malkin: Ronald Reagan also called them the moral equivalent of our founding fathers.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:02 pm#24 MisterB, How about a poster that reads, “If you wont talk to Cindy Mr. Bush at least let me give your daughters some military brochures”.
I know it’s too long but wouldn’t the best solution to Cindy’s problem be to have those who oppose her send their children to Iraq so they can know how it feels to lose a child?
The cons are still arguing about Rush’s ratings (below) so I guess their just too busy to sign up themselves or their children. Typical chickenhawks!
August 11th, 2005 at 12:02 pmPlease forgive me for going WAY off the topic but how about that new Mick Jagger ditty? *giggle* This is the only way that sheeple will believe what most intelligent, free thinkers already know as fact - have a celebrity sing it to them. I know, disgusting that even over and avobe the braindead media, sheeple will always trust the Stones. Yikes and great at the same time.
Again, sorry for the digression.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:05 pmMisterB: “TREASON”
August 11th, 2005 at 12:06 pmThe list of musicians that the neocons and their supporters don’t consider enemies is growing awful short.
Oh well, they can always count on country music for a good song about putting boots in people’s asses.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:06 pm[…] Cindy Sheehan is a one-woman soundbite machine. That’s what happens when a person speaks honestly from their soul. Check out the latest, said in response to the winger thugs who are smearing her: “[They don’t have skin in the game. They don’t have anybody over there. They don’t have sleepless nights worried about their loved ones.â€? […]
August 11th, 2005 at 12:07 pmI SO want to see little Jenna and Babs on the front line. Why won’t they do their part? Really, if they aren’t intelligent (think Chelsea) and won’t be running for office or educating themselves, do a public service.
Or better yet, “entertaining” the troops. If it’s good enough for Bob Hope, it’s good enough for baby Bushco.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:08 pmI love that comment, “you don’t have skin in the game.” That will be repeated!
August 11th, 2005 at 12:09 pmI like that she is standing up to the right wing media thugs.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:11 pmI should be stunned that the Right would slander the mother of a dead soldier, who gave his life for his country, just to score some political points….
… but I’m not. I’m really not stunned at all. I’m just saddened by it.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:13 pmits a pretty typical ad-hominen attack. A favorite ploy of the right wing.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:15 pmCindy Sheehan shouldn’t have to defend herself or her actions against the likes of the Limbaugh, O’Reilly or Hannity. Lets look at the war records those three chickenhawks: limbaugh got of of serving in Vietnam by dodging the draft because he had a cyst on his ass, which he made sure he didn’t correct until the war was over. O’Rielly, the patriot? He dodged the draft during the Vietnam War by getting three deferments and staying in College until it was safe to come out of hiding at the end of the war. Hannity was too young to serve during the Vietnam War. Later, when he was of age, he used the same excuse as Dick Cheney as he had better things to do than enlist.
Those three pukes have to gall to question a woman who has experienced the ultimate sacrifice: the life of her son? They need someone to kick their g———d teeth in.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:15 pmYep, Michelle Malkins qoute was… inappropriate to say the least. Mrs. Sheehan is right to be upset.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:16 pmYes cynical, but sheeple do trust stars and musicians and mass media. They will see the concert and they will now be familiar with the term NEOCON. Most folks down here in TN have no idea what that means. Well, until today when everyone at work here is asking what NEOCON means. HAH, I’m more than happy to fill them in.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:16 pm“you don’t have skin in the game”…exactly, when are the chickenhawks who spend their days blogging going to sign up to make Cindy eat her words.
Were still waiting.
THE ARMY IS GIVING OUT FREE WATCHES!
August 11th, 2005 at 12:16 pmSeveral years ago, the Seattle Times (my hometown newspaper) printed a weekly column written by Michelle Malkin. I don’t recall now if she was syndicated back then or not, but sure as anything, her column would be followed (on average) by seven to 10 letters to the editor showing her with source material how often she was wrong with her latest column.
The fact that she’s much bigger with the GOP now than she was then shows how so few Republicans are willing to engage in some critical thinking.
What’s beyond scary for me is that Bush has aligned himself with God (the war is something God told him to do, etc.) and like God, there are no tangible qualities involved. If you ask anyone who voted for Bush in 2004 why they did it, chances are you’ll get a feeling they had or an emotion that Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld played on during the campaign. In every single tangible reason why a President should be re-elected, Bush fails. Economy. Environment. Security. Bush prevailed because his people did a better job scaring Americans than the other side did making them feel safer.
Cheney actually said (words to the effect because it was almost a year ago now) “There’s a danger that if we make the wrong decision in November, we’ll get hit again.”
If Cheney had been running as my VP when he said that, I would’ve cut him loose.
During an audio clip of the 2005 inauguration, I heard a woman (who was there in DC) say she was “beyond relieved” that Bush won again.
What that says to me in plain English is that the Bushies are doing a very good job of scaring Americans and it will keep working for them until Americans pull their collective heads out and pay attention to what’s going on.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:19 pmSee this Blogcritic opinion column - it mentions Malkin - and there are a couple of active-duty soldiers that are making their own voices heard in the comments section.
Example:
“As a member of the Armed Forces of these United States, I shall indeed speak out on this issue.
The war in Iraq is a joke, albeit a very unfunny one. The banality of the CnC’s justifications for starting it are more frightening than pitiful.
There are no WMD’s in Iraq.
Saddam was never a threat to us, nor was he in any way responsible for the tragedy of 9/11. Oh, sure, he was a REALLY BAD MAN, but only if you were a Kurd or a Shiite.
And he certainly didn’t have ties to al-Qaeda. Last I checked, he hated fundamentalists about as much as he hated Kurds and Shiites.
Now that I as a member of the US Armed Forces have weighed in on this subject, I invite the chickenhawk neo-cons to vent their ire toward me at their own leisure: I certainly love being lectured by Proud F**kin’ Civilians about duty, honor and country.”
August 11th, 2005 at 12:31 pmCindy Sheehan Getting Press Attention
Cindy Sheehan’s sleepover outside the brush-clearer’s compound in Crawford is starting to get a bit more play in the press.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:32 pmMalkin supports the Minutemen. The Minutemen include white supremacists. Therefore Malkin needs to be held accountable for the actions of white supremacists, right?
August 11th, 2005 at 12:34 pmLeatherneck,
August 11th, 2005 at 12:34 pmThat cyst on Limbaugh’s ass is his brain.
Shut up about Michael Moore, he has a right to his views and Cindy Sheehan has not aligned herself with anyone, they have aligned with HER stoopid!
August 11th, 2005 at 12:39 pmBrainster has a children’s attitude about war. It is not a football game where you root for the home team. It is not a contest. or a lottery, or a rah rah human undertaking. Or are you dehumanizing, the most childish of all?
August 11th, 2005 at 12:39 pmPersonally, I am very grateful for Casey Sheehan’s service and sacrifice. I know I can never repay the debt I owe to him. Neither can anyone else.
My heart goes out to Mrs. Sheehan for her loss. But I also remamber that this is the same grieving mother who met President Bush in 2004, and who gave him high praise for sincerely caring about the sacrifices of our military men and women and their families. One cannot listen to her words, then and now, without being struck by the very real conflict between these two Mrs. Sheehans.
Mrs. Sheehan has become a different person as a result of her grief. That is plain to see. It also is probably a phenomenon that most grief counselors would call “normal” after such a loss. But it is not a valid basis for a credible political statement - especially one that contradicts what Mrs. Sheehan has said before.
In war, every soldier’s death is a tragedy. That does not devalue the soldier’s life, nor does it devalue the soldier’s mission. It does not discredit the U.S. military action in Iraq, nor does it discredit President Bush as our Commander in Chief.
Casey Sheehan died defending his country in a just war. His life was short, but he achieve far greater valor than those of us who will live decades longer. May he rest in peace, and may God comfort his family in their grief.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:41 pmThat is what I posted on brainsters site hawk. Malkin added moore in to villify cindy sheehan in the minds of the wing ditto heads.
it works like this:
we hate Micheal Moore. cindy sheehan is aligned with Micheal Moore. Cindy Sheehan= Micheal Moore. We hate Cindy Sheehan.
it devalues her grief, and makes ditto heads see red instead of rational thougt. All in all its a very good move on Malkins part.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:42 pmI doubt Michelle Malkin anywhere to be seen when the burial detail handed Cindy Sheehan the folded flag from her son’s casket.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:42 pmMichele can you detail how the war was justified?
was it the wmd’s, freedom for Iraqi’s? to supress terrorism? spreading democracy?
so far all of these have failed.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:45 pmSo Michelle, Cindy Sheehan is just…sick?
August 11th, 2005 at 12:45 pmNeither were you, Johnboy.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:45 pmHow the conservative cess pool Michelle swims in operates. She does look like a grouper.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200508100009
August 11th, 2005 at 12:46 pmSigns for #24
MOM BOMB
MOM GOIN’ NEW-Q-LER
MOM’S NEW Q LER OPTION
CHICKEN BARBECUE GEORGE? NO APPETITE?
August 11th, 2005 at 12:46 pmBad news for Bush : Cindy Sheehan is making news and add to that Monday’s CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll says 57 percent said the war has made the United States less safe from terrorism (so far his strongest polling topic)
So yes, you guessed it, it’s 9/11 wounds re-opening time.. Rummy is in charge of arranging a “9/11 march”, I kid you not!!
http://www.nydailynews.com/ news/ wn_report/ story/ 335938p-286948c.html
August 11th, 2005 at 12:50 pmI saw the thing about the 9/11 march. reminds of a political cartoon I saw. bush was king kong, and 9/11 was the empire state building. the punch line was “he always climbs that thing when he is scared”
August 11th, 2005 at 12:51 pm[…] ThinkProgress has the audio from a radio show interview this morning with Cindy Sheehan, the mother of a soldier killed in Iraq who’s in Crawford, TX asking W to give her an explanation. As usual, the right wing smear machine got into to full gear to try to disparage this woman, even though she’s given the greatest sacrifice. […]
August 11th, 2005 at 12:54 pmPost #52,
Two points of disagreement to your sincere comments.
1) Bush discredited himself as commander in chief by lying to the country and spinning the war into Iraq. He has yet to come clean. He has a grieving mother in the rain and heat down the road. If he was a christian, he would have her come to the ranch, into his home, and console her pain. That’s what JC would do. But, he cares nothing about citizens that don’t contribute megadollars to his efforts. He is not christian, he is weak and pathetic.
2) The military discredits their efforts when the have no conscience it question the misguided efforts of these extermists. I dare challenge that if these extermists wanted a nuke to be dropped the pentagon would not debate alternatives, but only ask what day and time.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:58 pm#52 - Nice thoughtful statement, except that your premise is wrong: that Mrs. Sheehan’s conflicting statements are an indication of some sort of psychological condition.
But in her own words, her change of heart towards the president (not the war, she was always against it) were caused by several things, including the Duelfer report and the Downing Street Memo. Nobody, including yourself, has countered that argument of hers yet.
It is precisely because of these NEW revelations that prior Bush supporters have turned against him.
August 11th, 2005 at 12:59 pmI remember way way back when they had the Titanic Parade.I was one of several who dressed up as an iceberg, my cousin was dressed up as the aft 1/2 of the ship and my sister was in the lifeboat wailers chorus. Great time. Those were the days.
August 11th, 2005 at 1:04 pmThe other day CBS News reported that the Pentagon knew the planner of 9-11 was living in the U.S. for a year prior to the attack. The Pentagon had charted all suspected terrorists and failed to share the info they gathered with the C.I.A. and F.B.I.
Remember when Bushie blamed the intelligence community for allowing 9-11 to happen? We all know now that the blame was directed at Joe Wilson because he wouldn’t play the lie game.
I haven’t heard any other news source report this fact that the PENTAGON knew of the 9-11 plot and failed to do anything about it. DONALD RUMSFELD knows everything that goes on at the Pentagon as it is his job to know.
This fact is being investigated by 9-11 Commission. Former Illinois Governor Jim Thompson who heads the commission has declared on film that he will investigate.
Dear Cindy, the Pentagon led by Donald Rumsfeld allowed our nation to be attacked to gain support for the Iraq war. Your son honorably joined the military as he thought fighting in Iraq was the right thing to do. He lost his life based on a lie and all those who lied to your son will be held accountable.
votetoimpeach.org
August 11th, 2005 at 1:05 pmWhy does the right wing hate mothers? I thought they were all for the family and were a “culture of life”? So why are they beating up on this grieving mother who is only trying to ensure that other mothers will not have to grieve also. Funny way to support a “culture of life” - by widespread, indescriminate killing and maiming.
We as a nation have a lot to answer for by allowing this to go on as long as it has. Cindy shames us all and I stand in awe of her courage.
August 11th, 2005 at 1:06 pmto the right wingers:
exactly what is a mother supposed to do when her child goes to war for a president and dies, only to find that the president lied about the reasons her son fought and died? is she a “flip flopper?” do you “FLIP FLOP?” if you won’t play along when someone lies and it gets your child killed?
seriously. the president lies and her kid dies. what’s the plan? go play golf? take a 5 week long vacation?
I support Cindy Sheehan!!
August 11th, 2005 at 1:06 pmCindy Sheehan is awesome. I agree with Jim her courage is remarkable. Finally, a lone dissenter, a voice of reason to the extermist spin and lies, a true democrat.
Where are all the women in congress? They should be right by her side. They should be calling attention to Bush’s shameful lack of compassion.
Does anyone know how to get her supplies, clothing, comfort items? Is anyone in Texas organizing collections?
August 11th, 2005 at 1:21 pmYou ghouls are all the same. You ignore the thousands of troops and their families who support the President, but you glom on to one grieving mother whose protest pleases you all. You are bloodsuckers, one and all.
August 11th, 2005 at 1:21 pmComment to Michele M: I appreciate your thoughts on this subject but it has been debunked. Drudge started this mess by selectively quoting the article from the Vacaville Reporter. If you would take the time to do the research you would find that the original author tof the Reporter article as well as the editor of the paper have stated, unequivically that Cindy has not deviated from her statements in the original article. They both state that had the article been reviewed in its entirety the facts would be known and the Right Wing Noise Machine would be outed for the propogandist they really are. There is no contradiction from Cindy Sheehan. Please look up the Vacaville Reporter on your search engine and see for yourself. By the way, The reporter is not in any way a “Liberal” newspaper and Vacaville tends to be more conservative. They are also home to many service men and women stationed at Travis Air Force Base.
August 11th, 2005 at 1:21 pmWGN News Chicago (Republican station) just aired the Cindy Sheehan story.
Another victory for the Bush Bashers!
August 11th, 2005 at 1:22 pmCasey could you please have one of your so called Bush suppporting soldiers send us a message. LOL! There is no such thing until you and your other chickenhawk friends get your ass to Iraq.
We won’t hold our breath.
August 11th, 2005 at 1:24 pmI wish I could be down there in Texas showing my support for Cindy, and all the people who have lost family members in this debacle of a quagmire. I have a website. http://www.thehollywoodliberal.com
August 11th, 2005 at 1:25 pmI want to post these audio clips, to help spread the word about Cindy, becuase the mainstream media refuses to touch the story.
HL
Check out the site.
Casey,
August 11th, 2005 at 1:31 pmI know 14 moms in Brookpark Ohio that won’t be voting republican anytime soon either. Your blind obediance to a group of misguided extermist ideologs is shameful. You are a traitor to democracy.
Right on David B!
August 11th, 2005 at 1:38 pmRun georgie Run…If your not careful people will start calling you chicken george….go on vacation ,troubles here, oh right, your on vacation..She only wants to talk to you..why are you afraid to talk to her..
August 11th, 2005 at 1:39 pmDragging the Brookpark tragedies into this just proves my point: You all are bloodsuckers!
By the way, I note that you can’t name a single grieving Brookpark mother who is using her loss to attack the President. People from Ohio have more class and strength of character than that.
So do the Blue Star Moms of my home town, whose losses are every bit as tragic as Mrs. Sheehan’s. They still support the war, and they have chosen to grieve in private. Try to respect that, if you can.
August 11th, 2005 at 1:39 pmWe’ve transcribed portions of this interview and posted them in our usual format: easy to read, easy to print, easy to copy.
Please help us get tons of this stuff to the streets as soon as possible. It’s the least we can do for her.
And here’s the link.
Being The Media has never been easier.
August 11th, 2005 at 1:40 pmThe Whispering Campaign
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Visit. Print. Copy. Distribute. Repeat.
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my sign will read ‘My son will not die for bush and his dick’. under dick i will write in small letters ‘cheney’.
August 11th, 2005 at 1:44 pmBy the way, I note that you can’t name a single grieving Brookpark mother who is using her loss to attack the President. People from Ohio ……
August 11th, 2005 at 1:49 pm…
August 11th, 2005 at 1:50 pmsome people are weaker or haven’t woken up yet to speak up.
[…] As we noted earlier, Mrs. Sheehan’s foreign policy views deserve no special consideration because she is grieving. Cindy Sheehan is an anti-war activist. She co-founded an anti-war activist group, Gold Star Families for Peace. She has aligned herself with other leftist anti-war groups, like Code Pink and MoveOn.org. She has every right to be against the war, and to state her case. But many on the left are responding to any criticism of Sheehan with emotional cries like “how dare you attack a grieving mother?” When you start an organized activist group and engage in public political commentary, you aren’t immune from criticism because you’ve lost a loved one. It just isn’t fair to claim Sheehan can say anything she wants, including some pretty nasty personal attacks against President Bush’s character, but it’s out of bounds for anyone to respond. But of course the president’s enemies in the anti-war movement have no interest in fairness or honest debate. […]
August 11th, 2005 at 1:57 pmCasey,
I was born and lived in Ohio for 44 years, I think I know a little more about the state than you. Its a good place to be FROM if your a liberal. You’re missing the whole point like most of you thick-headed conservatives. Cindy disgraces no one, her’s is an action of courage and compassion. Many democrats in more powerful positions than Cindy have done far less to get to the truth.
Every person that has died in any combat was someones son or daughter. Every loss is tradic. If you cannot recognize her courage and commitment then sir you are not American, for she stands for the essence of an American, the right to a dissenting opinion that she chooses to express herself freely.
Try some critical thinking once and a while. It doesn’t hurt, you may learn something.
August 11th, 2005 at 1:58 pmCindy is a brave, strong woman - and she’s also a heartbroken mother. Unless you have lost a child as she has, no one has the right to criticize her. It’s one thing to lose a family member in a war that is JUSTIFIED - but Bush and his pals took the USA to war for their very own selfish, power hungry reasons. Bush and pals care not one IOTA for anyone who is killed - (no coffins = no guilt). The WHOLE WORLD is less safe now thanks to Bush and pals. There were other ways of settling things with Iraq. They knew there were no WMD. What an incredible deceit to the American people and a slap in the face to the young men and women who are in the military.
August 11th, 2005 at 2:06 pmCindy Sheehan is showing all of us that when you stand up to the neighborhood bully, the neighborhood bully is actually the weakest, most cowardly boy on the block. Go Cindy Go!!
August 11th, 2005 at 2:16 pmIf you guys spent even one tenth of your energy and passion on WORKING with the other side of the political isle instead of running to trash and hate them, maybe we could get more important things done in this country. Keep on hating. It’s working for you guys so far right?
August 11th, 2005 at 2:18 pmI just saw our fearless leader giving a press talk on his Crawford ranch where he was asked about Sheehan. He gave his typical stumbling, tongue-tied non-answer;
August 11th, 2005 at 2:19 pmthe man is a cold, calculating fool — is that an oxymoron? Bush is an oxymoron!
Cindy is right. You can’t imagine how it is until one of your own is over there. My adopted son spent 1.75 YEARS in Iraq in the Army Reserves. I have a small glimpse of what Cindy knows.
King George Il has lied to too many people. Some of the people have awoken to realize they’ve been duped. Here’s to the MSM covering the story: May they finally start doing their jobs!
August 11th, 2005 at 2:24 pmsure chaim cause bush has really reached out to work with the democrats. (rolls eyes) please try to come up with something original not spout rush limbuaugh.
August 11th, 2005 at 2:24 pmSadly, the entire Iraq debate seems to have become symbolized by the grief of single soldier’s mother. For the forces of the left and right, Cindy Sheehan has become a Rorshach Test for America’s Iraq policy. People see what they want to see. Unfortunately, the partisan venom and media circus in Crawford aren’t making the true picture of our Iraq strategy any clearer.
For more, see:
“The Cindy Sheehan Rorschach Test”
August 11th, 2005 at 2:33 pmChaim, your side of the aisle taught everyone how to do it best.
August 11th, 2005 at 2:34 pmI have a Step son who is a Lance Corporal USMC. His Step Brother is an Army Ranger currently deployed in Operation Enduring Freedom. My primary complaint about the Republicans is their children are AWOL from the fight. My complaint about my Fellow Democrats is they are delusional regarding the nature of our enemy.
With bombings in China who has no troops in Iraq or Afghanistan,& the Phillippines who withdrew from Iraq. Al-Queda and its inspired minions continue to wage war with the entire world.
This is a clash of cultures. With our tolerant, pluralistic, and free culture at stake. Moslem Extremists are convinced they will win. They have greater resolve. They point out they defeated the Mongols and did not cave in. They are convinced the future is theirs. With less than 2,000 US dead nearly half the US is ready to cut and run. This is cowardice pure and simple. We cannot compromise, buy off, negotiate away the issues. This is no phoney Gulf of Tonkin incident.
We have been a target since the 70s of Islamic Extremism and that will not change regardless of who is in the White House. That the issue of the survival of our Republic eludes the Democrats is the reason we are headed for the way of the Whigs.
I have sympathy for Ms. Cindy Sheehan. Losing a child is a very difficult loss one of life’s toughest. But Cindy is being used as a pawn by Extremist Leftist organizations. Her Husband has Divorced her, and her other son is considering Joining the US Military and following his Brothers footsteps.
Cindy had a meeting with President Bush in Fort Lewis WA. Anything more is her vanity, arrogance, and political Agenda. We had an election. Kerry and The Democratic Left lost. Get over it. Another Midterm election is coming up in 2006 Democrats must prepare for that. That’s how we settle foreign policy issues is electing representatives who reflect our views not stomping our feet and throwing a tantrum.
While this may excite many Anti-War activists. Those who volunteer to serve which her Son Casey did over his Mother’s objections understand the consequences of that decision. HE WAS NOT DRAFTED. Men die in War especially young men. Cindy go home and grieve for your Son. He died an honorable death trying to extend freedom to a Nation that has lived under tyranny.
August 11th, 2005 at 2:38 pmChaim,
August 11th, 2005 at 2:41 pmThat’s weak, if your a conservative republican your going to have to bring a stronger game than that to post on the blog site.
Khan-
most of the left was behind the hunt for bin Laden. you can claim all you want that the left doesn’t know what it is facing but that is not true.Despite the shrill yells from the right Clinton was very aware of the danger of muslim extremists, and tried to pass that warning onto Bush.
you are correct that the war is being fought in china, and the philippines and everywhere else. Most of us see the war in Iraq as ill conceived, and believe that it does nothing to advance the defeat of the extremists.
According to intelligence agencies world wide Al-Qaidi is as strong as ever despite world efforts to the contrary. clearly establishing a base in iraq was not the right move. we are tying our troops to a specific geographic area while our enemies move around the world.
August 11th, 2005 at 2:44 pmMichelle Malkin = Mother Teresa?
Back in the day, one of those old teeny-bopper sitcoms featured an elderly lady who had worked most of her life as as a school cafeteria attendant–lunch lady in prose–that claimed that she had 400+ children. This, despite the fact that, we…
August 11th, 2005 at 2:47 pmBush is an oxymoron!
Minus a few letters, yes.
August 11th, 2005 at 2:50 pmThe whole “clash of cultures” thing is and always has been a smoke screen for American imperialism. Not that there aren’t bad crazies out there, but they’re only dangerous when they get the kind of widespread support that comes from having your country screwed over by a foreign superpower.
August 11th, 2005 at 2:54 pmSo, Khan… are you saying that if one’s son volunteers to go to war, and it turns out that the war was waged on dishonest terms… that one’s son was fooled into voluteering… one has no right to complain?
That’s not logical at all…
Mrs. Sheehan’s constitutional right to speak freely, to criticize her government, doesn’t just go away, you know…
August 11th, 2005 at 2:56 pmChaim - uh, that’s aisle…. “If you guys spent even one tenth of your energy and passion on WORKING with the other side of the political isle…” Two totally different ‘things’ my boy.
August 11th, 2005 at 2:58 pmQuote from Michelle M: “But it is not a valid basis for a credible political statement”
Anyone who would utter this statement has a profound misunderstanding of the Constitution of the United States, most notably the Bill of Rights.
The day we start listening to people such as this — who earnestly wish to judge who is qualified to make a polticial statement — is the day the American experiment has failed entirely.
August 11th, 2005 at 3:03 pmI feel really sorry for this women, she is lost in life. She has let her grief consume her soul. I hope she finds help soon and leaves that carnival of lies behind her. Sigh.
August 11th, 2005 at 3:05 pmBush is a post-turtle…..sometimes in South Texas, you come across a turtle on top of a fence post…..You can’t figure how in hell he got up there; he can’t seem to do anything there…..All you want to do is get the poor bastard down where he belongs and on his way….somewhere else!
August 11th, 2005 at 3:06 pmI watched what Bill O’Reilly did last night and he was disgraceful. What an utter bully. How crass can a person be. He gets paid mega bucks for that- to shame America with his dreadful personna.
But I listened to an hour long interview with Cindy Sheehan by Jeff Staples from Radio Left and I have two new heroes. They were both marvelous, full of humanity, intelligent thought and honest respectful exchange.
I have hope in my heart again that America might just survive the stolen election(s) afterall. We are not nearly as bad as the mainstream media leads the world to believe we are. We are not all fawning complacent idiots who are motivated by greed and get our information from television ads and FOX news.
Go Cindy Go.
August 11th, 2005 at 3:14 pmAnyone from the (compassionate) right care to take on this statement from Maureen Dowd today?:
“But (Bush’s) humanitarianism will remain inhumane as long as he fails to understand that the moral authority of parents who bury children killed in Iraq is absolute.”
August 11th, 2005 at 3:16 pmI wouldn’t expect anything less of the right wingnuts. They’d even trash their own grandmothers if it meant they could lick Bush’s butt.
August 11th, 2005 at 3:19 pmAnd what is so wrong with being aligned with Michael Moore? He has made himself rich because of the folly of Bush. He earned a Palm and his documentary Farenheit 9/11
August 11th, 2005 at 3:19 pmwas seen by more people than any documentary ever. He is a populist in a much more American way than Bush, at least to my mind. I would be flattered to be accused of being aligned with Michael Moore. He is an American darling. He is much more highly regarded in the outside world than Bush.
After several days of following the story of Cindy Sheehan’s vigil in Crawford TX, I find out today that she has a “political agenda.”
I hear about “political agendas” now and again, usually when some politician or media pundit wants to smear another politician instead of responding to a particular issue. It seems to be kind of a “Get Out Of Jail Free” card for politicians, but I didn’t realize that ordinary citizens, especially grief-stricken mothers, could have them.
I thought her agenda was pretty simple and upfront. I’ve heard her speak and she’s amazingly eloquent. With no Madison Avenue speechwriters polishing up ever-morphing little soundbites for her, she is left to speak straight from her war-torn heart. And her words have resonated with people all across the country, and indeed, the world, because we can all recognize in our hearts the difference between the raw truth and a polished lie.
Cindy is sitting in a tent in a rainy ditch in Texas with the simple agenda of meeting face to face with George Bush, and having him explain to her the “noble cause” for which he sent her son to die. If that is a political agenda, then sign me up because I, too, am waiting with the rest of America to hear an explanation of the noble cause. Cindy has said she doesn’t want one more family to have to suffer the grief that her family and thousands of others have suffered for a war based on lies. And the lies keep on comingâ€â€as fast as they can spit them out they have to spin them away. 9/11 connection? A lie. Al Qaeda? A lie. WMDs? A lie. Aluminum tubes? A lie. Yellowcake from Niger? A lie. Democracy and freedom for Iraqis? A lie. Hell hath no fury like a mother lied to about the murder of her son.
It’s a really simple thing, this political agenda, isn’t it? Exercising our first-amendment right to peaceably assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances? Demanding truth and accountability from those who are supposed to be representing us? That’s a political agenda I’d like to see Congress take up. In fact, if Cindy Sheehan has one, maybe it’s time for all of us to get one.
Deda Divine
August 11th, 2005 at 3:21 pmAustin, Texas
August 11, 2005
No, I meant ISLE as in the Island you guys live on where your whole life is fuled by hatred. On MY Island we are all laughing at you guys falling deeper and deeper down your hole. Goodnight Alice.
August 11th, 2005 at 3:24 pm“Note to White House: Cindy Sheehan’s not giving up.”
Conservatives, such as myself, don’t want Sheehan to give up. Getting the left wing out of the closet is exactly what we want. The more publicity you liberals get the better it is for us come election time. Keep up the good work.
August 11th, 2005 at 3:28 pmKahn… job,
August 11th, 2005 at 3:32 pmBaseball, hot dogs, apple pie and smearing moms.
Capt,
Moderates such as Sheehan’s family?
http://www.drudgereport.com/flashcs.htm
And what is a moderate?
Baseball, hot dogs, apple pie, calling presidents presidents murderers.
August 11th, 2005 at 3:36 pmThis is a pretty bizarre and foolish debate.
The U.S. should run its foreign policy on the basis of quitting a conflict if one parent of a soldier doesn’t agree with the objective?
President Bush did meet with Ms. Sheehan. Now she’s demanding he meet with her again so that she can accuse him of “killing” her son.
She doesn’t deserve a meeting so that she can bait a man she’s already announced she hates. President Bush won’t do it, and he’s right not to do it.
Tempest in a teapot. If she wants to get arrested, that’s her business.
August 11th, 2005 at 3:39 pmLet me just make it very clear that Ms. Sheehan’s is in the minority when it comes to military moms. What is odd is how the left is clinging to this mom hoping that they can use her as leverage. What does the left really think they will gain from all of this outside of a little egg in the face?
All of this has inspired me to go down to the cemetery a few blocks from my house and pay my respects to all of those military men who went before me but who lost their lives in combat. Hopefully I wont find anyone trampling their graves by insisting they died in vain. Respect!
August 11th, 2005 at 3:48 pmMerca thanks you all for your sacrifice, …what’s our tee time?. Can we tunnel out of the ranch?
August 11th, 2005 at 3:48 pmThe redneck spin coming from the right is more and more desperate. You might even say they are in their ‘last throes’.
August 11th, 2005 at 3:52 pmNote to Jon — #115
Please provide your research about Cindy Sheehan being in the minority regarding to military moms. Save us from antedotal evidence, please.
I’m just asking because her organization, Gold Star Families for Peace, has a burgeoning membership — which would seem to debunk your obviously biased and misguided (judging from your earlier posts) statement.
August 11th, 2005 at 3:55 pmCindy Sheehan is just one thread, in the unraveling story of the Iraq War deception. One thread at a time, as the right wing discounts every one …,”Oh that is nothing, what else do you have?”
August 11th, 2005 at 3:59 pmCindy Sheehan is in the majority of military mom’s. It’s you who are in the minority, Jon. And even if you were correct, which you are most definitely not, why would this change minds here or anywhere? Go back to hell, or whatever rock you slimed out from under.
August 11th, 2005 at 4:03 pm“Note to White House: Cindy Sheehan’s not giving up.�
Conservatives, such as myself, don’t want Sheehan to give up. Getting the left wing out of the closet is exactly what we want. The more publicity you liberals get the better it is for us come election time. Keep up the good work.
Comment by Jon  August 11, 2005 @ 3:28 pm
Same as they feel about gay folks. We don’t care what you do in the privacy of your own home, just don’t flaunt it is public and keep voting for us. You are dead, Jon, and starting to stink. Wake up and die right so we can bury you once and for all.
August 11th, 2005 at 4:06 pmThank you Ms. Malkin for you heart felt condolences as expressed above. We can feel your pain. Save the space and try Hallmark.
Apparently there are a number of “wingnuts” on this blog and I would be honored if they could, in 100 words of less, tell me and the other members of the forum, why they believe this administrations policies of invasion and occupation of a soverign country (namely Iraq) and the consequential murder of innocent civilians and death of our young men and women, is in the best interest of our country. Please enlighten me with the reason we are there. Please justify to the best of your ability, 300 billion dollars, 1829 dead americans and 26,000 dead Iraq civilians.
August 11th, 2005 at 4:19 pmIt’s funny to see the slandering responses of Liberal, Proressive(sic)&Lethal and the uneducated responses of the rest of the kool-aid drinking liberals here. Talk about stereotyping of the right. We’re all apparently rednecks who’ve never once fought in a war or earned an honest living. Or we’re wingnuts who suck at Bush’s teat. Oh, and when you use opinions as fact, you belittle your own points and cast doubt on your own ability to do legitimate research. As such, your uninformed opinions are subject to be countered by simple logic and real studies.
Now, on to the topic at hand. I have served in Iraq. I’m still in the military. I don’t agree with a lot of the administration’s work (failure to secure borders, No Child Left Behind, pork barrel spending on the energy bill, et al). But to hoist Cindy Sheehan up as a force to rally behind is ludicrous. The woman was quoted as specifically saying she thought Bush was genuine and that she supported the President.
Forgive if I just don’t see the point of using someone with this lack of integrity as a role model. If you wanted to use someone who is a Democrat as a role model, use Bill Bradley. Use Zell Miller. Hell, you can even use Bill Clinton. As much as I didn’t like him as President, at least he was consistent and actually believed what he said. He didn’t change his story at will.
Point is, if you are going to rally behind a leader, pick someone who really believes in their statements and isn’t some political hack or story-changing money-grubber. Someone on here said if you hadn’t lost someone or hadn’t put your ass where your mouth was, that you couldn’t comment. I’d like to ask if that person has lost someone or been to Iraq. I’ve done both. A close friend of mine was killed 3 months ago in an attack. I was in Iraq in 2003.
Now, any and all attacks that are personal will be ignored. Well-reasoned, intelligent political debate will be entertained. I like to hear other opinions, but not if it’s just mud-slinging rehashed tripe.
August 11th, 2005 at 4:23 pmTo Dave:
100 words or less - it was called 9/11.. 3,000 Americans died and Saddam Hussein had his hands in the whole thing.
August 11th, 2005 at 4:32 pmjust in the from Drudge:
FAMILY OF FALLEN SOLDIER PLEADS: PLEASE STOP, CINDY!
Thu Aug 11 2005 12:56:21 ET
The family of American soldier Casey Sheehan, who was killed in Iraq on April 4, 2004, has broken its silence and spoken out against his mother Cindy Sheehan’s anti-war vigil against George Bush held outside the president’s Crawford, Texas ranch.
The following email was received by the DRUDGE REPORT from Casey’s aunt and godmother:
Our family has been so distressed by the recent activities of Cindy we are breaking our silence and we have collectively written a statement for release. Feel free to distribute it as you wish. Thanks Ã? Cherie
In response to questions regarding the Cindy Sheehan/Crawford Texas issue: Sheehan Family Statement:
The Sheehan Family lost our beloved Casey in the Iraq War and we have been silently, respectfully grieving. We do not agree with the political motivations and publicity tactics of Cindy Sheehan. She now appears to be promoting her own personal agenda and notoriety at the the expense of her son’s good name and reputation. The rest of the Sheehan Family supports the troops, our country, and our President, silently, with prayer and respect.
Sincerely,
Casey Sheehan’s grandparents, aunts, uncles and numerous cousins.
Developing…
August 11th, 2005 at 4:34 pmComment by Libertarian  August 11, 2005 @ 4:23 pm
Great Stuff!! Let’s go. Just a quick question. I assume the reason you went to Iraq to serve in the military was primarily motivated by your belief in what your commander in chief had stated. The “sale” of the “War in Iraq” was based on the belief that Iraq and Saddam were a threat. Right?
So off you go. But, then (as many of us knew at the time) because we were not watching Fox and Cnn, it was discovered that none of the orginal premise for blowing the crap out of Iraq was true. Not one single thing.
When you found that out (presumably when you were hanging on to an AK) how’d that make you feel?
Did you ask yourself, hmmm…What the heck are we doing here?
August 11th, 2005 at 4:34 pmThank you, Khan - far more eloquent than I!!! To #67 - since when have progressives cared about military moms? A number of “big minds” on this site have trashed the military for “contributing to the problem”. The only great military mom to a “progressive” is a military mom with a dead son or daughter - they’re easier to exploit that way.
August 11th, 2005 at 4:35 pmchaim, jon and caseyatbat are all insane.
they (sometimes) use calm sounding words to try and defend their indefensible points, but always betray their hand with weird stuff, like this:
In war, every soldier’s death is a tragedy. That does not devalue the soldier’s life, nor does it devalue the soldier’s mission. It does not discredit the U.S. military action in Iraq, nor does it discredit President Bush as our Commander in Chief.
Actually, every soldier’s death in Iraq discredits the mission. They didn’t choose to go there, they were put there based on lies spewed by evil men. Every death there is a sad, depressing waste. Yes, even every Iraqi death, which no one on the right gives a damn about.
I don’t understand how knowing the truth about the war, and saying something about it, ‘discredits’ anything that the poor pawns-who-are-soldiers did. They did their jobs. George Bush is directly responsible for lying and sending them there, therefore he is directly responsible for every death that happens over there.
Let’s not focus on the soldiers. They would be in the armed forces regardless of any ‘war’. Let’s focus on the bastards that sent them there!
Cindy Sheehan kicks ass. It’s been a year since her son died - the ‘grieving’ stage is over. Now she is just pissed, because she, and the majority of America, can see all the bullshit and lies.
August 11th, 2005 at 4:38 pmthe 9/11 comission proved there was no connection between 9/11 and saddam Hussien.
Libertarian,
in my opinion and many others, backed up by such things as the downing street memo, un and us weapons inspectors, the bush administration connected to unconnected things (9/11 and iraq) to justify the a war in Iraq. That war has not significantly helped the overall war on terrorism, attacks in spain and london, changed opinion of the west in the muslim world, or strengthened the US in any way.
Not only has bush changed his justification for the war numerous times, he continues to push lies ( ie connecting saddam to 9/11) to the american public.
I like many others think that we are going about fighting people like bin laden in the wrong manner.
we have also left ourselves weaker here. consider the minutemen patrolling our borders.
meantime back at the ranch, the economy is only slowly recovering, with many of the new jobs not paying as well as previous jobs, our deficit is at epic proportions with no end in sight, and oil prices are skyrocketing.
that is part of why I don’t like our current admministration.
August 11th, 2005 at 4:38 pmTo Dave:
100 words or less - it was called 9/11.. 3,000 Americans died and Saddam Hussein had his hands in the whole thing.
Comment by alwayscowgirl  August 11, 2005 @ 4:32 pm
Catch up kiddo. 17 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi. Even the post 9/11 chatter and inteligence proved that there was no link that existed between Saddam and Bin Laden or Saddam and 9/11.
We’ve killed 9 times as many Iraqi civilians as the Saudi hijackers killed Americans. Even if there was a link, when is enough, enough?
If you are an Old Testament fan, I belive the saying is “an eye for an eye”.
Guess we showed them only we showed the wrong “them”.
August 11th, 2005 at 4:40 pmby they way, alwayscowgirl, 100 words or less - it was called 9/11.. 3,000 Americans died and Saddam Hussein had his hands in the whole thing.
YOU ARE A MORON! I can’t believe I am actually seeing this. The Pentagon, the Whitehouse, and the 911 Commision ALL said that there is ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE that Saddam had anything to do with 9-11!
Take your ignorance and leave, please.
By the way, the bullshit needs to go out your ass, not into your own head.
August 11th, 2005 at 4:43 pmZell Miller??? What are smoking. Are you impling that Cindy is a political hack? Perhaps she did change here position on Bush. I believe that was after her son’s life was lost, I would imagine a lot of things and opinions in her life changed after that point.
Jarhead, you’re missing the point. This is not a rally behind someone that has been chosen for a cause. Many admire her courage to stand-up to Bush with dissent. May would argue that takes as much courage as it takes those who went and served.
August 11th, 2005 at 4:45 pmThis website in no way “scares” conservatives.
August 11th, 2005 at 4:46 pmIt just ceases to amaze us that people can turn away from facts & use fiction to rile themselves into a hating frenzy.
Geez, Dave, we could fill a book on all of the reasons TO go to Iraq.
Have liberals paid any attention to all of the good that has happened over in Iraq?
The new schools & hospitals that are now open?
Have you all heard of the REAL democratic election, rather than the farce in Iran?
So my question to you is, at what point would you decide it WAS a good reason to go to Iraq?
My quess is that if we are talking about a conservative President, your answer is never, whatever that cost in lives may be. If we are talking about a liberal President, we would not be having this discussion.
Psst, while any civilians loss is sad, the 26,000 number being thrown around is not an actual number, so you guys should stop using it.
Typical of the moon-bat left! You truncate (or is that “Dowdify?”) her comments, in order to make it appear she meant something other than what she PLAINLY meant. Really, why can’t you just engage in an HONEST debate, instead of pulling this BS?
August 11th, 2005 at 4:46 pm—”We’re all apparently rednecks who’ve never once fought in a war or earned an honest living.”–
Well, you DID just describe much of the administration perfectly.
And BTW, when will Fox learn that “America” and “The Bush Administration” are NOT the same entity?
August 11th, 2005 at 4:47 pmComment by Alexa  August 11, 2005 @ 4:35 pm
I’d be careful with comments like yours. You might find that there are a number of “military mom’s” with son’s and daughter’s still breathing, on their way to Crawford, ready to be exploited.
August 11th, 2005 at 4:47 pmBaseball, Hot Dogs, Apple Pie and Splitting Families
You can only go down from this point wingnuts.
August 11th, 2005 at 4:48 pmoh yeah, and while I am speaking the truth to IDIOTS, alwayscowgirl, Cindy Sheehan’s arguments are not made any weaker just because her family doesn’t agree with her, if the drudge article you reference is true.
what, she’s not allowed to excercise her constitutional right, just because someone disagrees with her? lemme guess - she’s unamerican, right?
I stopped reading drudge years ago, because it is ALWAYS wrong and can’t be used as a credible source for anything. Try to use actual news sites when making up your asinine arguments.
August 11th, 2005 at 4:49 pmIf there is any criticism to make of mothers who have lost children in Bush’s war, it is that they have remained silent for too long.
Cindy Sheehan and the Gold Star Families for Peace are changing that. They are putting their grief and rage to constructive use by focusing it on the source of their tragedy: the Bush regime.
It’s too bad that US political discourse has been so corrupted by the ravings of people like Limbaugh, O’Reilly etc that every single issue is turned into a mud fight. Cindy Sheehan and the other Gold Star Families for Peace are speaking truth to power, not slinging mud or scoring points. Decent Americans of all political stripes understand that.
When Bush meets Cindy Sheehan — for he will have to –I hope he will, for once, LISTEN and LEARN, and face the fact that he has brought untold suffering to many of the people he is pledged to serve, and to many others he has no right to attack.
Abraham Lincoln regularly opened his White House office to ordinary Americans and listened humbly as they expressed themselves to their President, risking his life every time. Bush is no Lincoln, but he needs to take responsibility, as Lincoln did, for the suffering he has caused.
August 11th, 2005 at 4:50 pmmost of the right wing website are saying that there
August 11th, 2005 at 4:52 pmnot sure of the validity of the sheehan family email.
Alexa - since when have Progressives chastised, ridiculed, and insulted military moms the way conservatives are now?
August 11th, 2005 at 4:53 pmMom standing over her dead son.
Wing nut: You Mom,you are both an exploiter and being exploited.
Mom never to see her child again.
August 11th, 2005 at 4:55 pmGeez, Dave, we could fill a book on all of the reasons TO go to Iraq.
I’m sure you have. And the fact that those reasons are all bullshit didn’t deter you in the least.
Have liberals paid any attention to all of the good that has happened over in Iraq?
The new schools & hospitals that are now open?
If Hitler had built schools and hospitals in Poland, would that make his occupation of that country okay? Hell no.
The Iraqis want Bush out of their country. Therefore Bush should get out of their country. Everything else is noise.
Have you all heard of the REAL democratic election, rather than the farce in Iran?
You mean for the government that has little or no actual power, with all the important decisions made by the American occupiers? That election?
So my question to you is, at what point would you decide it WAS a good reason to go to Iraq?
When the Iraqi people want us there.
If we are talking about a liberal President, we would not be having this discussion.
I don’t know about anyone else here, but I for one protested Clinton’s invasion of Yugoslavia. Not that he’s a real liberal.
Psst, while any civilians loss is sad, the 26,000 number being thrown around is not an actual number, so you guys should stop using it.
Wow, you’ve expunged that value from the set of integers, have you? But you’re right. From all indications, the total number of Iraqis killed since the invasion and occupation started is more like 100,000.
August 11th, 2005 at 4:56 pmHave liberals paid any attention to all of the good that has happened over in Iraq?
The new schools & hospitals that are now open?
Have you all heard of the REAL democratic election, rather than the farce in Iran?
Comment by Ron  August 11, 2005 @ 4:46 pm
Ooops…I forgot, we were on a humanitarian crusade. Forgive me for not remembering that we were inudated with requests from the Iraqi people to step in and create a democratic environment. And I must have missed their request at the UN or any other recognized international convention for aid to build new hospitals and schools. That would be the ones where the power is only on for 3 hours a day.
And maybe you’re right about the body count. Because we don’t do that. We have to rely on civilians to do that and only the military can provide accurate numbers. It’s probably more but we won’t use that 26,000 number if it hurts. How about 25,999. ThatR