Iraqis fail to agree on constitution by deadline
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Freedom is on the march.
August 15th, 2005 at 5:26 pmWe knew they couldn’t agree, they are fighting over the oil too.
If they planned to have a real democracy the role of Islam wouldn’t be an issue either. Nothing is going to change in Iraq we all know that.
August 15th, 2005 at 5:30 pmNo louis, the deadline was today not in March.
August 15th, 2005 at 5:31 pmOne week extension? That’s the same thing that happened when George W. Bush was trying to complete the section of the SAT’s…
August 15th, 2005 at 5:37 pmOne week to kill off the hold-ups?
August 15th, 2005 at 5:41 pm#1,
I’m thinking more like a hamster-wheel or moon-walk ala MJ than a march.
August 15th, 2005 at 5:45 pmAnd Susan celebrates….
August 15th, 2005 at 5:54 pmNa, Na, I told you so Strath…Now who knows more about Iraq?
(We argued this issue on Saturday, Strath knows everything and we know nothing. LOL!)
August 15th, 2005 at 6:03 pmMy dear Susan, this was a one sided argument, I never stated this deadline would be met…..this has always been a farce in my eyes, very arbitrary at best…
August 15th, 2005 at 6:05 pmFlip flop!
August 15th, 2005 at 6:06 pmHere is an easy question for you Susan, the Iraqi expert….which district in Baghdad did Saddam move Sunni Fallujans into in order to take land and homes from Shiites?? A simple historical question if you know so much…
You are quite funny, by the way
August 15th, 2005 at 6:09 pmWhats funnier is that you believe that the Iraqi govt. is working to represent all of its people.
I don’t answer Saddam questions until mine are answered. Where are the WMD’s?
August 15th, 2005 at 6:58 pmI think Bush needs another bike ride!
August 15th, 2005 at 7:20 pmSusie Q,
Interesting…could you show me where I stated same? Did not think so, it is apparent you only like to make things up for your own sake…..
That answer is easy, he never had any WMD’s. No intent, no desire, nothing. Not under Clinton’s watch, nor BushCo’s. It is all fabrication, Halabja was a lie, those curious UN reports were merely drafted by the evil BushCo’s while the Clinton Administration was in power, and it was Saddam’s intent all along to use chemical dual use facilities in order to rid the world of AIDs, stop malaria and the bubonic plague. This is acutally the reason that his intelligence chief and others met with al Qaida members on at least 8 occassions, to find a cure for all of the world’s diseases and bring peace throughout the world…but you already knew all this because those people under the tin foil on your head told you so….
August 15th, 2005 at 8:02 pmOh, why the hell not an extension? Rummy didn’t think we’d be there any more than 6 weeks, and couldn’t even imagine us being there 6 months, so give ‘em a break. They’re dropping like flies as it is.
August 15th, 2005 at 8:19 pmStrathmore’s right! We had PLENTY of reasons to invade Iraq.
…They just didn’t happen to be any of the ones we were sold by the Administration.
August 15th, 2005 at 8:28 pmBe a big boy Strath and admit you were wrong. Sit back and listen to the new CD of Bill Clinton’s favorite songs, you’ll LOVE it!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4152582.stm
August 15th, 2005 at 8:43 pmSki,
Typical Liberal….you read a tag line written by someone else and then believe it to be true. Can you find where I was wrong regarding the constituion deadline? I know one thing, without Kirkuk in the hands of the Kurds (rightfully) there will be very little accomplished. A friend was telling me something you Libs will love, the most popular name for new born babies in Suleimania is “George”. Happy hunting…
August 15th, 2005 at 8:54 pmThe good news is the only parts they couldn’t resolve were the operations of the federal government, the primacy of Islamic vs. secular law, women’s rights and regional autonomy.
So, basically, all the detail shit about commercial zoning, fishing limits and off-street parking is nailed cold.
This whole constitution thing is practically in the bag.
August 15th, 2005 at 9:00 pmLike I said Strath…
August 15th, 2005 at 9:04 pmStill waiting Skidmark
August 15th, 2005 at 9:06 pmJeff Gannon is hot. so is armstrong williams. just how i like my media, bought and sold.i love being a sheep.
August 15th, 2005 at 9:08 pm#22 is funny, I like this character…pssss, I am not a Republican
August 15th, 2005 at 9:10 pmpssss, you might as well be if you support anything about this administration, which you obviously do. you are a part of the problem. now get off of the computer and try and go get laid,it might make you less of a know it all.
August 15th, 2005 at 9:15 pmbut Saddam was so scary huh? we HAD to go get that “towelhead” huh?
August 15th, 2005 at 9:15 pmso scary!!!!!!!
August 15th, 2005 at 9:15 pmOnce again y’all are lettin’
August 15th, 2005 at 9:16 pmCbS lead ya astray.
All the trivial pursuit
on Saddam history is to hide
the blinding incompetence
of BushCo.
For what Strath? The rapture? You know what you have said. Why else is your conscience bothering you?
August 15th, 2005 at 9:17 pmI guess if I supported the liberation of Iraq, then I also supported the policies of the Clinton Administration, what a quandary.
If I was getting “laid”, then I would miss the cerebral discussions on this great forum!!!
August 15th, 2005 at 9:20 pmWell CbS, don’t let the
August 15th, 2005 at 9:22 pmfirewall hit ya on the way out.
The horror, the horror…Ski I cannot get this burden out of my head….
It is great to watch you and your inability to find the post of mine that proves your point…tick, tock, tick, tock
August 15th, 2005 at 9:22 pmi havent had sex in 13 years.
August 15th, 2005 at 9:22 pm#32. Longer than that my pseudo-Strath…longer than that
August 15th, 2005 at 9:23 pmscratch that, i did have sex with a dude a few months back.oral isnt gay right?
August 15th, 2005 at 9:24 pmUh oh, CbS in rapid post
August 15th, 2005 at 9:27 pmmode. Must spend a lot of time on Yahoo
boards trying to out scream others.
#34…this pseudo-me has some serious issues, you have a problem with homosexuality I see….you are quite a cute little poster.
August 15th, 2005 at 9:29 pm#34 sounds cute, i wonder if hes as sexy as Jeff Gannon.
August 15th, 2005 at 9:34 pmNa:am, Infinity, I always scream, but how to do this when typing to convey my affect I cannot figure?
August 15th, 2005 at 9:36 pmMaybe they would like to talk
August 15th, 2005 at 9:37 pmto you about JG at powerlie.
Nobody cares here.
Use lots of !!!!!!!, obviously.
August 15th, 2005 at 9:38 pmCAPITALS too.
JG and Powerlie, what are these?….thanks for the tips, now I can hit those Yahoo boards a runnin…errr screamin, whatever
August 15th, 2005 at 9:40 pmHave fun. I bet if you go there
August 15th, 2005 at 9:43 pmright now you will find lots of
friends.
Why are we arguing? The Iraqis already had an election. Don’t you remember the purple fingers? We won! Hooray!
Now let’s all celebrate, Jenna-style! $600 Tequila for everyone!
August 15th, 2005 at 9:48 pmYahoo chat – last refuge of the politically insane.
August 15th, 2005 at 9:50 pmWow strath, do I need to say anything else? 13 years thats a long time. Waitin for those 72 virgins are ya?
August 15th, 2005 at 9:53 pmI would take just one Susan, just one…
August 15th, 2005 at 9:59 pmJannah is nice, I am sure, but I don’t know about 72 women, that may be quite difficult, you are enough to handle just on the message boards.
women scare me. thats why i make love to men.
August 15th, 2005 at 10:02 pm#47….I am not sure your angle, but you are quite a funny little moron
August 15th, 2005 at 10:06 pmI am not your babysitter Strathmore.
August 15th, 2005 at 10:20 pmAnd I am not your professor, if you ever had one, but you may need to seek an education….
August 15th, 2005 at 10:21 pmeducation, Strathmore? please. u r sofa king
August 15th, 2005 at 10:25 pmMisterB, you sound hot, wanna hook up? women scare me so you might be my type.
August 15th, 2005 at 10:27 pmmy dear skid, would you like to go on a date?
August 15th, 2005 at 10:29 pmAcutally, Mr. B, my education allows me to sit on the sofa and work, so I take that as a large compliment.
#52 and #53 they are not my type, but thanks for the dating service, you must really like me…
August 15th, 2005 at 10:39 pmMr.B, scratch that, i still think your sexy.
August 15th, 2005 at 10:41 pmDoes the B in misterb stand for bottom? as in power bottom?
August 15th, 2005 at 10:44 pmi sure hope it does, i love riding man-ass.
August 15th, 2005 at 10:45 pmYuk to the above.
I can’t believe what I just saw on the Donnie Deutch (good friend of the Donald) show. A woman who lost her son in Iraq was on as a guest. She was among the bunch of people Bushie agreed to talk with in the past. She said she asked to speak to him privately and was granted that request.
Bushie approached her by getting right in her face, nose to nose, toe to toe and said “I’m the President of the United States and I understand you want a private talk with me”.
She told him that she didn’t agree with his war and proceeded to tell him about her son that died. She said my son always used the phrase “life is good”. She told Bushie he no longer has life. Bushie replied “how do you know that your son would have had a good life”.
At that point Delores understood that Bushie believes that her sons life was expendable.
Bushie tried to play nice in the end and offered a hug. Delores obliged and noted that he felt her up as if looking for a wire.
Delores’ son died in 2003 when his chopper went down in Iraq. He had just earned his wings and was on his first mission.
Bushie is the most despicable man I’ve ever known. He has no soul.
August 16th, 2005 at 2:15 amWe promise to throw flowers and candy.
From Capitol Hill Blue
The Rant
Is Bush Out of Control?
By DOUG THOMPSON
Aug 15, 2005, 05:46
Buy beleaguered, overworked White House aides enough drinks and they tell a sordid tale of an administration under siege, beset by bitter staff infighting and led by a man whose mood swings suggest paranoia bordering on schizophrenia.
They describe a President whose public persona masks an angry, obscenity-spouting man who berates staff, unleashes tirades against those who disagree with him and ends meetings in the Oval Office with “get out of here!â€
In fact, George W. Bush’s mood swings have become so drastic that White House emails often contain “weather reports†to warn of the President’s demeanor. “Calm seas†means Bush is calm while “tornado alert†is a warning that he is pissed at the world.
Decreasing job approval ratings and increased criticism within his own party drives the President’s paranoia even higher. Bush, in a meeting with senior advisors, called Senator Majority Leader Bill Frist a “god-damned traitor†for opposing him on stem-cell research.
“There’s real concern in the West Wing that the President is losing it,†a high-level aide told me recently.
A year ago, this web site discovered the White House physician prescribed anti-depressants for Bush. The news came after revelations that the President’s wide mood swings led some administration staffers to doubt his sanity.
Although GOP loyalists dismissed the reports an anti-Bush propaganda, the reports were later confirmed by prominent George Washington University psychiatrist Dr. Justin Frank in his book Bush on the Couch: Inside the Mind of the President. Dr. Frank diagnosed the President as a “paranoid meglomaniac†and “untreated alcoholic†whose “lifelong streak of sadism, ranging from childhood pranks (using firecrackers to explode frogs) to insulting journalists, gloating over state executions and pumping his hand gleefully before the bombing of Baghdad†showcase Bush’s instabilities.
“I was really very unsettled by him and I started watching everything he did and reading what he wrote and watching him on videotape. I felt he was disturbed,†Dr. Frank said. “He fits the profile of a former drinker whose alcoholism has been arrested but not treated.â€
Dr. Frank’s conclusions have been praised by other prominent psychiatrists, including Dr. James Grotstein, Professor at UCLA Medical Center, and Dr. Irvin Yalom, MD, Professor Emeritus at Stanford University Medical School.
As a recovering alcoholic (sober 11 years, two months, nine days), I know all too well the symptoms that Dr. Frank describes and, after watching Bush for the past several years, I have to, unfortunately, agree with him.
Conversations over the last few weeks with longtime friends who work in the Bush White House confirm even more what Dr. Frank says and others have suggested.
The President of the United States is out of control. How long can the ship of state continue to sail with a madman at the helm?
http://www.bradblog.com/
August 16th, 2005 at 3:28 am#58, Susan
August 16th, 2005 at 9:43 amI also heard an interview with that woman and I was astonished at the calluous, cold, confrontational authoritarian approach by Bush. I have long thought that the man is incapable of feeling empathy and his meeting with her confirmed my thoughts. The man is a repulsive individual, soulless, heartless and selfish.
Check out Buzzflash.com and Bushwatch.com for info and headline stories and editorials around the nation and the world.
August 16th, 2005 at 9:55 amI found this interesting: HOUSTONCHRONICLE.COM, editorial dated 8/13/05 – a reprint of an essay by E. L. Doctorow from 9/9/04.
According to Juan Cole, taking another week to draft a new constitution is ILLEGAL!! If they didn’t have a working draft ready by Aug. 15th, the parliament was supposed to dissolve, and new elections were to be called. I guess Bush the killer still thinks everything is still rosy in Iraq!! read the entire Cole article, or go to http://www.thinkprogress.com to read it.a
August 16th, 2005 at 10:10 amSorry, it’s http://www.thinkprogress.org
August 16th, 2005 at 10:11 amSorry, I screwed up again. Go to http://www.dailykos.com›
August 16th, 2005 at 10:14 amAn Iraqi (who works as a source for UK journalists) on the constitution:
“Sure, it’s important. But my family lives in fear of kidnapping, I’m too afraid to tell my own father I work for journalists, and we only have one hour in six of electricity and we can’t even keep our food from going bad in the fridge. Federalism? You can’t eat federalism and you can’t use it to fuel your car and it doesn’t make my fridge work.”
August 16th, 2005 at 10:40 amThe political developments have had no impact on the security situation to date…
Consequently, writing the constitution has no bearing on when our troops can come home, and we need serious debate on that in this country.
August 16th, 2005 at 10:49 amSadly, I don’t see US troops as a whole ever coming home. They will be occupying the US military bases in Iraq or the 2-3 countries that were formerly Iraq, as well as Afghanistan, all to put Iran and Syria in the hotseat.
August 16th, 2005 at 11:01 amYou’re probably right, Skid – unless the Dems break through the Joe Biden mentality and speak out like a real opposition to end to all the killing and dying.
There’s no shame, Joe Biden, for being a war hawk then changing your position.. Republicans do it all the time:
“Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?” — Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99
August 16th, 2005 at 11:16 amSusan, what is it you see in Donald Trump? you dont really want him to run for president do you? honestly? hahahaha
August 16th, 2005 at 11:34 am#62 Bushit, you are absolutely correct about the law.
Chris, yes I would like to see the Donald run. He’s not a politician and he knows how to make money. He would have this countries economy back on its feet in no time. He experienced vote tampering himself. He had to run all over NYC to cast a vote. They had his name listed in the wrong precinct.
He’s not a racist or criminal. He’s a real leader who gets things done. He doesn’t take crap from anyone and he has a conscience. His staff loves him and say that he treats them very well. The Donald would serve all Americans.
I choose Martha as his running mate because she has been screwed by this government.
August 16th, 2005 at 3:24 pmhes been known to back mostly republicans because they are pro-business.i think he would just reward the rich like Bush does.
August 16th, 2005 at 3:59 pmAnother Iraq-related story…
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Hey, wanna have some fun at the NRA’s expense? Play up the “Larry C. Northern, GUN NUT” angle.
Larry C. Northern = cross killer = GUN NUT = psychopath.
Me likey!
“A local gun nut, Larry Northern, angrily mowed down 500 crosses in his pickup truck…”
To see the gun nut in his natural redneck habitat:
1. http://www.wacoforsale.com/ltd/
2. Click “Hall of Fame.”
3. See “The LTD Officers” photos. Apparently he isn’t just a gun nut, but is/was a “president” of the gun nuts. Why, that’s big-time “nut!”
So while were havin’ some fun parading this hillbilly moron across the Net, let’s do some serious ass-kickin’ to the NRA while we’re at it. An effortless — and irresistable — two-fer!!!
August 16th, 2005 at 6:54 pmGUN NUT! GUN NUT! GUN NUT! GUN NUT! GUN NUT! GUN NUT!
Chris, The Donald is a great friend of Donnie Deutch who definately is not republican. I think Donald looks at each person as an individual and highly doubt he’d run as a pug if at all. I’d like to see him run as an Independent.
I’m just wishing here. I doubt he’s interested. For you guys, if the Donald were to be president at least for the first time in history the first lady would be easy to look at.
August 16th, 2005 at 10:06 pm#73 Susan, like your ideas. Donald Trump is one person who can balance the books, and still have money left over. Washington might suddenly become a little cleaner and less whinny. Special deals wouldn’t get by him. Plus, he hires people he can trust to tell him the truth, not to whitewash it. He’d be one hard president, but he wouldn’t expect more than he’d give himself. All this pork might suddenly get cooked and served at a BBQ. NO more free rides for some in Washington. Hmmmm, the more I think about it, the better I like the idea. Putting Martha as his running mate is a great idea. I never cared for her, but I felt she got a really bum deal, especially with other money paying off so many in Washington. It made hers look like money from a piggy bank. She does have flair, who know maybe she can clean up America, get our parks, roads, cities spiffed up. God knows some of them can use it.
August 17th, 2005 at 12:19 amWhat Saddam was doing in Iraq, during the time he was said to have had WMD, my understanding is he had left most of the running of the country to his sons and close advisers. He apparently, was going through a career change, a little late in life, but none the less, he’d decided he was going to write romance novels. I believe he had actually contacted some U.S. publishing companies, about his ‘books.’ Whether he had written any, I don’t know, Hemmingway, he ain’t, nor Faulkner.
So they didn’t make the deadline — but another week will provide all the time they need to resolve all their problems.
August 17th, 2005 at 12:33 amYeah! That’s the ticket!
All the Bushies are looking for is a way to claim victory as they are defeated.
Does anyone think it is a noble cause to die for the installation of a regressive, Islamic government? But what are the troops and their families to think? They have to justify this stupid, damned war they have been involved in because it is too painful to consider that our unbalanced president has sent them to fight an illegal, unjust and unwinnable war.
#74, Donald Trump declared bankruptcy and was saved by a reality TV show. I hope that’s not your plan for America.
August 17th, 2005 at 12:21 pm#76, if I thought a reality show would save this country, I’d vote for a Chapter 11. (or is it Chapter 13?) Sadly, the biggest drawback is this fantasy president and his ‘yes’ men. Sounds like a pretty good reality show. Oh damn, it is reality! I hate it when reality sneaks into my life of denial. George who?
August 17th, 2005 at 1:29 pmSeriously, thanks, didn’t know Trump had done the American thing and filed bankruptcy. Wonder how much was turned over to his kids, wives, etc, before he filed?