Parker: If Bush Meets With Cindy Sheehan, The Terrorists Win
By on Aug 15th, 2005 at 9:01 am
Parker: If Bush Meets With Cindy Sheehan, The Terrorists Win
According to right-wing columnist Kathleen Parker, Bush really wants to meet with Cindy Sheehan but he has resisted in order to defeat the terrorists:
Bush, regardless of what he personally might wish to do, has responsibilities that far exceed the crowd gathering beyond his Prairie Chapel Ranch.
Once he allows himself to be captured in a video clip or a photograph, recoiling from the agony of a bereaved mother, the world is in greater danger. Democrats might be delighted to freeze that image in political time, but so would insurgents planning their next Baghdad ambush.
So remember, when Bush went on a bike ride yesterday instead of meeting with Cindy Sheehan, it wasn’t because he wanted to. It was a selfless act to protect America.
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August 15th, 2005 at 9:13 amOh, heck — the terrorists won when we passed the Patriot Act. They’ll win again when we invade Iran.
In fact, they’ve pretty much had an unbroken winning streak against George Bush since 9-11.
August 15th, 2005 at 9:44 amYou see, the terrorists were sure they had lost. The Iraqi-American tv station was broadcasting large crowds of American citizens celebrating in unison our jubuilant progress in Iraq, and they were just about to throw it all in and give up….but then, then, there was this Cindy Sheehan on CNN and whoa, wait, maybe we shouldn’t give up after all! Damn her!
August 15th, 2005 at 9:47 amNo surprise that right-wing nuts make such comments, when the “Right-wing insensitive quote of the day” comes from the president himself:
“But I think it’s also important for me to go on with my life, to keep a balanced life”
http://www.daytondailynews.com/localnews/content/localnews/daily/0814bushfitweb.html
No, it isn’t, you coward! It’s important for you to step down and let someone else run the country.
August 15th, 2005 at 9:49 amWow, that happened faster than I thought it would.
Have they done the “Mrs. Sheehan Is actively aiding the Terrorists!” yet?
I know they already said she’s “undermining the Military” and called her a “Tool for the Left”…
Check out:
August 15th, 2005 at 9:53 amthis.
This never was about terrorism or terrorists, but they are benefiting from it. It’s about the necessity for oil to run the military machine, and the attempt to control that oil before China moves on it.
August 15th, 2005 at 9:54 amDoes anyone ever read Kathleen Parker? She is an Ann Coulter wannabe. The right-wingnuts are stymied by the attention Sheehan is getting, and it makes me laugh. Bush has time to ride his bike, to keep his life balanced, and it would cause him to topple over if he spoke with Sheehan.
August 15th, 2005 at 9:54 amActually, the terrorists were ready to give up in November 2004. But then they said: “Look! The Idiot, Coward, Man-Child Bush has been re-elected! Huzzah! His incredible blunders will surely water the tree of Islam in all nations, and his crack-headed Daddy-envy will lay low the Western Crusaders and Infidels!”
August 15th, 2005 at 9:55 amHey right-wing columnist, would it help if Bush dances a jig in front of a bereaved mother, instead of “recoiling from the agony of a bereaved mother” ? Would that help us defeat the terrorists? Just let him know, I’m sure he’s up for it.
August 15th, 2005 at 9:56 amTotally sympathize with you Mr. Legum, and others at thinkprogress for being forced to read Kathleen Parker in the interest of our revolution… you are the real American heroes.
August 15th, 2005 at 10:00 amBill Oreilly is gonna have Cindy Sheehans family on tonight to speak out against her. you would think Fox News would have something better to do than smear a grieving mother.all of the mainstream media are a bunch of cowards and sheep, but its things like this that make Fox especially disgusting.
August 15th, 2005 at 10:03 amChris, you are right about the MSM being sheep. In this story the flock has annointed Cindy “Joan of Arc” status without really probing her background and situation with her family. I am glad we have a Fox nipping at the sheep’s heels — makes it more interesting.
August 15th, 2005 at 10:09 amWorld Peace means the tearrarists have won.
August 15th, 2005 at 10:11 amWhile we’re at it, someone should probe George Bush’s background and family situation, as well.
Pretty creepy stuff, you bet.
August 15th, 2005 at 10:14 amWithout probing her background and situation with her family?? Probe for what you dipshit? Conservatives are so funny sometimes, in a retarded, baby babbling kind of way.
August 15th, 2005 at 10:14 amI wasn’t advocating muckraking, Fish — I’d just like to know more about who this lady is and what she is about. Obviously we know she is a grieving mother and she should be cut a lot of slack for that status. But granting her sainthood and trumpeting her anti-war position without asking a few questions is not good journalism. For example, has she always been anti-war? What did she think of her first meeting with Bush? Has she changed her opinion of that meeting since?
August 15th, 2005 at 10:20 amNot good journalism?
August 15th, 2005 at 10:30 amConsidering all that has been shoved under the rug in the last five years to benefit this sh$t-pile corporate jerk-off, that’s a pretty funny statement.
from what I have read she has always been anti war even before her son left for Iraq. Her opinion of bush has changed, but so has the information regarding the decision to invade Iraq.
Thats what some people do, change their minds when new information is presented.
August 15th, 2005 at 10:32 am“recoiling in agony”? Isn’t that what Bush is basically doing by trying hard to ignore the results of his deadly policies? By ignoring the greaving families that will dare speak out against him and ask him unscripted questions he is “recoiling in agony” at what he has done. By ignoring every single military funeral and even hiding the dead heros from ever being seen by anyone when the return home finally, he is “recoiling in agony” at his own policies.
Someone who “recoils” isn’t going to look thier detractors in the eye and face them with courage. Someone who “recoils” from the truth is gong to avoid facing it and looking at it whenever possible.
August 15th, 2005 at 10:33 amFor example, has she always been anti-war? What did she think of her first meeting with Bush? Has she changed her opinion of that meeting since?
WTF difference does any of that make? Bush killed her son by using him as cannon fodder in a conflict about which he’s been lying from day one, and now he’s too chickenshit to even meet with her face to face. That is the point.
August 15th, 2005 at 10:35 amI’m OK with her changing her mind, Kraz. That’s her right.
Keith, your comment is too vague for me to respond to. Not sure what you think has been swept under the rug.
August 15th, 2005 at 10:36 amConcerned Conservative
August 15th, 2005 at 10:37 amAll your questions have already been answered by the MSM. Yes, she has always been against the war. Her first meeting with Bush was disapointing. She has not changed her opinion since that first meeting, only more upset upon reflection. As for her Sainthood, come on be a concerned conservative and lose the labels. If you are a true conservative, this war should leave a bad taste in your mouth.
Um, Gary, I think he already did meet with her.
August 15th, 2005 at 10:37 amFor a Coward, any excuse will do.
August 15th, 2005 at 10:40 am“Concerned” Conservative –
Concerned about what? The health of your fearless King George? The moral authority of a grieving mother is ABSOLUTE, whether she is pro-war or anti-war. Instead of focusing on her, try to define the “Noble Cause” that we’re fighting for in Iraq for us, and let’s debate like gentlemen.
If you’re truly concerned, you should worry about the party of Barry Goldwater being over-run by the unholy alliance between religious extremists and the neocon cabal.
August 15th, 2005 at 10:50 amDSM would be one good example.
August 15th, 2005 at 10:50 amCC is draggin’ y’all off topic.
August 15th, 2005 at 10:51 amThe topic was suggesting that Bush meeting
with Cindy would aid the terroists.
That is so dumb that it should be
a right-wing embarrassment, which
is why CC is changing the subject.
Um, Gary, I think he already did meet with her.
Ooookay, then, if you want to quibble over wording, I’ll amend:
Bush killed her son by using him as cannon fodder in a conflict about which he’s been lying from day one, and now he’s too chickenshit to even meet with her again face to face.
Happy now?
August 15th, 2005 at 10:53 amIf Bill Oreilly smears Cindy Sheehans family, he should be packed up, and sent to Iraq on the next plane going that way.Oh, by the way, send rummy, and rove too. Its show time for the manchild.
August 15th, 2005 at 10:55 amThere’s a part of Judd’s posting that’s grimly true – I kind of feel every time Bush is out riding his bike, we are a whole lot safer.
For a few hours anyway, that’s one less moron making national security decisions. We might not know who’s making the decisions, but at least it isn’t the guy who needs to be up-armored before eating a pretzel.
August 15th, 2005 at 11:03 amDumb Fox
August 15th, 2005 at 11:05 amThe only problem is W is not making the decisions, Chaney et all is. The machine grind away regardless of what idiot boy is doing.
#32 – I agree. Chimpy is little more than a mascot for the Neocon heavyweights. In which case, perhaps the reason his handlers are telling him not to see Ms. Sheehan is because they worry he will f*ck up the faux compassion a second time.
August 15th, 2005 at 11:12 amAgreed, Kathleen Parker’s article is weak. Meeting with Cindy is not going to strengthen the terrorists resolve. Bush should meet with her. After his bike ride, that is.
August 15th, 2005 at 11:18 am#28 is right.
The very idea that the President, meeting privately, with a grieving mother, could threaten national security is absurd.
The policy of ignoring her has created the atmosphere of insecurity. It highlights the ignoble consequence of War and the inequity of shared sacrifice.
August 15th, 2005 at 11:23 amdon’t allow cameras if you don’t want the terrorists to see Bush meeting with Sheehan. problem solved.
August 15th, 2005 at 11:35 amThe lack of concern for what Bush has perpetrated should be enough for Konservatives to question the grounds upon which their loyalties are built. Rather, it seems too easy for them to attack the innocent as sullying the Konservative sainted leader’s good name.
Wierd. Very wierd.
August 15th, 2005 at 11:37 amI’m not a huge fan of Bush and I’m not particularly loyal to him but he is right on this war. It is tragic that lives must be lost in order to ensure freedom from terrorist atacks on our soil, but it is unavoidable. You can’t negotiate with terrorists — they view that as weakness and will only step up their efforts in response.
August 15th, 2005 at 11:45 amConcerned Conservative
Tell us how this war is right? Point by point with reasons beyond the standard talking points.
August 15th, 2005 at 11:56 amOnce again, the Iraq was has absolutely nothing to do with fighting terrorism. It is a grab for resources and power, pure and simple. Far from doing anything to deter or inconvenience any anti-US terrorists, it’s been a godsend to them. All they have to do to boost their recruitment is point to all the people our government has slaughtered in its crusade to take hold of Iraq.
August 15th, 2005 at 12:11 pmThe Terrorists are a figment of your imagination. The War on Terrorism is a tool, designed to enslave us.
I know you flat earthers don’t want to believe that their are evil people in power.
Answer these questions if you can.
In the entire history of steel frame high-rise buildings, only three have collapsed due to fire.
All three collapsed on one day – September 11, 2001
Larry Silverstein owned all three.
In the documentary “America Rebuilds”, aired September 2002, Silverstein makes the following statement;
“I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, ‘We’ve had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.’ And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse.”
What do you suppose he meant by “Pull it�
Are government buildings routinely pre-fitted with explosive charges?
August 15th, 2005 at 12:12 pmW. knows that the country wants him to go on with his bike riding life. Meanwhile, Casey Sheehan and 1850 others can’t go on with theirs. It really is all about George. Stupid people, why grieve your dead children? Rejoice that your fearless leader is healthy and enjoying a balanced life! Remember what the purpose of killing people is: It’s about sending the right signal and showing that George is strong, not weak! Rejoice, rejoice, because all those coffins and all those prosthetic limbs prove that our fearless leader has balls and he’s not afraid to show the world that there’s plenty more where they came from. Ride, george, ride! You must remain clear headed, healthy and resolute lest there be no more dead and crippled.
August 15th, 2005 at 12:14 pmIt is tragic that lives must be lost in order to ensure freedom from terrorist atacks on our soil, but it is unavoidable. You can’t negotiate with terrorists — they view that as weakness and will only step up their efforts in response.
This war has nothing to do with terrorism, you fool. And whether you honestly believe it does, or know better yet advocate that position for the furtherance of the real agenda, you are a fool in either case.
August 15th, 2005 at 12:14 pmI just love the fact that staunch Republicans in Kentucky no longer believe the PNAC bullshit. Terror is what the GOP is feeling. Democrats in control of congressional committees with subpena power. That’s the terror the GOP is fighting now.
August 15th, 2005 at 12:17 pmDisabled Danger
Man you are so right! Give us a subpoena and their human pymramid comes crashing down.
August 15th, 2005 at 12:21 pmHey, the metaphor just dawned on me… Fox News guarding the Chickenhawk government!
August 15th, 2005 at 12:24 pmOK, MisterB. I get it now — 9/11 was all part of a zionist plot.
Whoa.
Everyone, let’s try and keep the sharp objects away from MisterB
August 15th, 2005 at 12:32 pmCitizen, the power of the subpoena may not be what you’d like. Remember the Repubs thought the same thing when they tried bring Clinton down — didn’t work for them.
August 15th, 2005 at 12:35 pmTypical ploy, CC. You avoid the facts with ad hominem attacks and straw man arguments. I have yet to see one of you disinfo agents (real or just usefull idiots) discredit the actual facts.
August 15th, 2005 at 12:35 pmCynical Ex-Hippie, you should slap a trademark on that or something, it’s a good one.
August 15th, 2005 at 12:37 pmBushie is a coward and knows that the majority of Americans agree with Cindy and like always Bushie doesn’t care what Americans think.
Did you hear that O’Rielly and Coulter are fighting now?
August 15th, 2005 at 12:39 pmO’Reilly thinks that Rummy should be fired and Coulter doesnt. That is so funny, they go from sharing their sex toys to stealing the batteries from one another.
For the love… The ‘cretin in chief’ is making this easier for ‘terrahrists’ because of his INABILITY to actually be a president. It has NOTHING to do with Cindy (who is NOT letting herself be used as a tool by anyone). The family of Cindy Sheehan that are going on O’lielly’s show are the camera-hounds after their 15 minutes of fame. I wish I could get out to Crawford to add to the support, afterall it isn’t too far away (from where I am), but the automotive unit just isn’t strong enough for a road trip. Hang in there Cindy and supporters!!!
August 15th, 2005 at 12:43 pmConcerned Conservative
Problem for the republicans in time of Clinton was the story was a blow job. Now it’s high crimes at best treason at worst. Subpoenas will expose which it is.
August 15th, 2005 at 12:44 pm“…they go from sharing their sex toys to stealing the batteries from one another.”
Uh.. ROFLMAOPP!
Thanks Susan. i needed a laugh. :p
August 15th, 2005 at 12:44 pmCC, why aren’t you in Iraq? Don’t give me any lame excuses either like you’re too old or have medical problems. The military is so desperate they’ll take anyone.
Give us any answer, we know you’ll have an excuse.. just know that we will still call you a chickenhawk.
August 15th, 2005 at 12:44 pmHey yeah, Fox News guarding the Chickenhawks. That’s my best line yet. Feel free to use that everyone. Just remember where you heard it.
August 15th, 2005 at 12:50 pmCitizen,
Here is my logic on the war:
1. Terrorist cells exist that want to kill as many Americans as possible.
2. These cells mostly exist (and grow) in countries where self-government does not exist.
3. If we want to eradicate terrorism we need to crush it where it exists and then enable the terrorist-harboring countries to police it themselves — this means regime change.
4. Regime change will occur country by country — and will take a long time, but will be worth it in the long run.
Some would label this Imperialist — but that is not accurate as (contrary to what Gary thinks) we are not planning on claiming these countries as part of the US.
I could live with a more defensive strategy if we are willing to really do what it would take to root out all the cells already here and stop more from coming in. Unfortunately, our politicians don’t have the guts to tighten our borders and investigate suspicious muslim sects in this country. Too politically incorrect.
August 15th, 2005 at 12:50 pmIf 911 is so important to fighting a “war” on terror, why aren’t we occupying Saudi Arabia and Egypt today? Right now? Why not Afghanistan and Pakistan too? These are the countries people came from who did the nasty deeds of 911.
Someone on another line of thought put it well. Where do exterminate pests and why? If you find pests in a certain house, you start there. NOT in the next town down the road. Particularly if that town has shown no evidence of the kinds of pests you’re looking for.
August 15th, 2005 at 12:51 pm#54 MisterB, your welcome. I believe in sharing the laughter.
Funnier than I are those who support the war and then refuse to fight it. I picture these folks in my mind and I see the guy from ONE FLEW OVER THE CUKOO’S NEST who says “hit me, hit me”.
August 15th, 2005 at 12:51 pmAnswer the question CC, why aren’t you in Iraq if in your words “its worth it” ?
August 15th, 2005 at 12:53 pmSusan –
Just because CC believes in the cause doesn’t mean he has to actually demonstrate it. He only believes in it a little bit. You know, just enough that he can come here and try to convert us crazy “Liberals” to the cause.
The War is nessisary and just but I shouldnt have to sacrifice anything.
This is the thinking in this country. I’m convinced that there is a lot of dead weight in the USA. War might be a good way to get rid of it. Draft CC and his ilk and lets rid ourselves of the self satisfied pricks.
August 15th, 2005 at 12:54 pmConcerned Conservative
You fail to mention that terrorism did not exist in Iraq prior to our “liberation”. However, put that aside for the moment and discuss where we stop on country building? How much are we willing to pay as Americans? Now please do not start with the tripe of we are willing to pay any price so we are safe here. Expand your horizon, are we truly better off now than prior to the march of freedom?
August 15th, 2005 at 12:56 pmSusan,
I actually have thought about signing up. But I figure I am kind of old (49) to be of much help. And anyway I’d thought I’d stay here and keep paying my taxes to fund the war. That probably is more help than me limping around in the desert. If that makes me a chickenhawk so be it.
August 15th, 2005 at 12:57 pmCC –
Get a job at Halliburton! Please!
August 15th, 2005 at 12:58 pmI actually believe CC is who he say he is, so I’m willing to engage him. Understand CC that there are monkey college conservatives who post crap here, so we attack them. I believe that those who offer true discourse without crap should be engaged.
August 15th, 2005 at 1:00 pmCitizen, thanks for being serious. Most here want to just slap me around…
Yes, I think we are better off.
And I think of it not so much “country building” — more like “country liberating”
August 15th, 2005 at 1:11 pmCC, your taxes are not funding the war, it’s all borrowed money. So you don’t have to feel guilty about giving up your job and going to Iraq. You could apply at Haliburton as a truck driver, and voluntarily take a cut in salary if it makes you feel better.
August 15th, 2005 at 1:12 pmCome CC, if you don’t want to be slapped around you have to do better than that!
August 15th, 2005 at 1:12 pmFunny how it’s “liberation” when Idiot boy is in charge but “Nation Building” when Clinton is in charge. CC you will have to do MUCH MUCH BETTER THAN THAT, if you don’t want the bitch slap.
August 15th, 2005 at 1:16 pmIn fact, the Iraq war isn’t even on the federal budget. You could make six figures driving a truck for Halliburton. That’s a lot of tax revenue for “the cause.” Do Halliburton employees pay income tax?
People older than 49 are working in Iraq in similar capacities. They even make the news when they get kidnapped.
August 15th, 2005 at 1:16 pmCC — the idea that terrorist cells are mostly in countries where self-government doesn’t exist is likely mistaken.
Thus far, al Qaeda operatives seem to have made use of such places to train (and now, thanks to the Iraq War, they have a brand-new training ground). But they don’t stay there. There are likely al Qaeda cells most countries on earth, with a total of around 50,000-70,000 members.
After a good start in Afghanistan, we’ve turned around and created a new haven for al Qaeda, and don’t have the manpower or the credibility to undo the damage done in Iraq (which, despite all the rosy scenarios we’ve heard, is NOT getting better).
August 15th, 2005 at 1:21 pm#66 — if you want to call it “country liberating”, then you’ll need to specify from what you’re liberating Iraq. It’s not accurate to simply say that you’ve “liberated” the country because Saddam is no longer in power. Right now, we’ve essentially liberated Iraq from government, period. Anarchy and violence rule the country.
Ironically, al Qaeda (like most international crime and terrorist organizations) seems to thrive in “liberated” areas.
This is possibly the most screwed up foreign policy debacle I’ve witnessed in my lifetime. We went into Iraq on false pretenses, then screwed up the damned thing to boot. All the progress made post-9/11 in Afghanistan has been more than reversed.
August 15th, 2005 at 1:25 pmI plead guilty as charged on the lame posting. Slap away!
ex-hippie, I’m going to look into the Halliburton option — especially if they don’t have to pay income tax!
August 15th, 2005 at 1:27 pmDoing a little research shows that there are 5 to 7 fundimentalist Muslim “cells” that might be of interest to the US in its “war” on terror. The US has NOT engaged any of these in the countries from which they operate. The only exception was the brief stop over in Afghanistan on the way to Iraq.
If King George was so serious about his GWOT then why isn’t he going after the fundimentalist Christian “cells” too? Could it be that he doesn’t want to piss off his “base”? Take a look at the Christian Identity movement and you might see what I mean.
August 15th, 2005 at 1:28 pmSome would label this Imperialist — but that is not accurate as (contrary to what Gary thinks) we are not planning on claiming these countries as part of the US.
Imperialism doesn’t have to mean explicit annexation of someone’s country. If you overthrow a foreign government that is unfriendly to your interests and install a friendlier one against the wishes of the people who live in the country, that’s imperialism. And if you send your troops in to occupy a foerign country for purposes of controlling its people and resources, well, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see what that is.
In fact, the Iraqis would arguably be better off if we did make Iraq part of the US. That would at least theoretically give them constitutional rights and representation in our government. (In reality their representatives would probably end up chosen by Diebold, but let’s forget that for now.) As is, they get to vote for their own government which has little or no power, while the decisions that matter are made by the occupiers and will continue to be until there’s a regime in place that can be trusted to be subservient.
August 15th, 2005 at 1:29 pm#13, concerned CON serve additive, you are a bozo!!!
By your reasoning, anyone that may have a not so great past doesn’t have the RIGHT to be upset by the killing of her son????
I would love to “probe” your past. You sound like the TYPICAL idiot, robot the REPUGnicans love.
In my unofficial “probe” of you,,,,
How did you like the movie Farenheit 911?
How do you feel about blacks no longer being slaves?
How do you feel about gay marriage?
How do you feel about civil rights?
If you have the balls to answer just one question, let it be the one about Farenheit 9/11!!!
You won’t answer, because it PROVES you are an idiot, zealot, nazi which loves to sling mud, but will duck when it comes your way.
Your lovely trained monkey and his family supported, backed, and FINANCED the rise of hitler in the 30’s and 40’s.
Your lovely trained monkey flips people off for the cameras. (not just once, but many many times)
Your lovely trained monkey’s daddy told another mother years ago….’”shut up, just shut up, you people make me sick!” I SEE A FAMILY PATTERN!!!
Go back to watching your FAUX programming…
FAUX NEWS…….WE DECIDE!!!!!!
August 15th, 2005 at 1:30 pmBY THE WAY #75,
How the hell do you think that Sadam Hussien got to be the ruler of Iraq?
I’ll tell you… in the 1960’s the CIA thought he would be a great ruler, so they went to Egypt, picked him up, took him to bagdad and paid for his “training” and they set him up in an apartment. After setting the wheels in motion, bingo he was there!
AND FYI… just who the hell was the recruiter for the CIA during that time period? BUSH THE SMARTER!!!
You better hope they never find you an appealing ruler type.
August 15th, 2005 at 1:34 pmKJ,
Re. Fahrenheit 911 — I did not see it so I have no opinion. I did not bother to see it as it was made by a propagandist — and I knew I would not be able to tell during watching what was real and what was “tricked up”. So what would be the point of watching a supposed documentary when you can’t tell whats’ real in it?
August 15th, 2005 at 1:38 pmCC sounds to me you are a Libertarian. Perhaps you need to re-evaluate your affiliation? Leave the dark side and at least join those who support individual rights. Hell, we have room in our tent for true conservatives!
August 15th, 2005 at 1:39 pmwould love to stay but work beckons — later!
August 15th, 2005 at 1:40 pmWhat CC fails to examine seriously, is the roll that state sponsored terrorism plays in policy decisions.
History is replete with examples of governments carrying out terror against their own people.
The political motivation to carry out such attacks is self-evident from a historical viewpoint.
Nero burns Rome and blames it on the Christians.
Hitler burns the Reichstag blames Communists.
Operation Gladio
MK-Ultra
P2OG
These are REAL examples and there are hundreds more if you look for them.
Starting wars and stripping the population of their lives, property, money and rights
is powerful motivation for corrupt governments.
If 911 was state sponsored, it totally blows your theory out of the water.
August 15th, 2005 at 1:43 pmIt immediately gives rise to cognitive dissonance and instant rejection of facts that demolish your point of view.
I know this because I have experienced it.
It takes wisdom and courage to break thru the false paradigm.
I urge you to look past the propaganda and discover the truth for yourself.
Citizen, yes I am more of a libertarian than repub.
And that’s why I am here — trying to expand my horizon as you put it.
Gotta go for real now…
August 15th, 2005 at 1:44 pmBY THE WAY #75,
Chill, buddy. I’m #75 and I’m on your side.
August 15th, 2005 at 1:58 pmWhy did 9/11 happen CC? Because they hate our freedumbs?
August 15th, 2005 at 2:06 pmCC, in your analogies, you are saying that the U.S. sponsors terrorists. Remember the U.S. allowed the 9-11 hijackers to live in the U.S. for at least a year prior to 9-11. If Saddam sponsored terrorist then so did the U.S. Your analogy.
My analogy, with the evidence that the Pentagon knew the attackers were in the U.S. then I’d have to say that the U.S. sponsors terroritst. See, we agree on something.
August 15th, 2005 at 2:11 pmCitizen, yes I am more of a libertarian than repub.
And that’s why I am here — trying to expand my horizon as you put it.
Gotta go for real now…
I’m not convinced, but you guys might try a gentler, more reasonable approach with him if he is sincere. If he ain’t you’ll find out soon enough. I know there are people here who think 9-11 was something more nefarious than plain incompetence that was cynically capitalized on for political purposes and gain. I don’t know. We may never know, but it is definitely looking like the plain incompetence theory and cynically playing that horrible even for political gain is resonating in places, like Kentucky, among former staunch Republicans, like it has never been before. That’s amazing. And that’s bad enough. The cover up ove Plame could put them in enough trouble, so go with the strong points.
http://www.catch.com/comments/40766_0_17_0_C/
August 15th, 2005 at 2:13 pmI really enjoyed what Cindy had to say today:
“…Speaking of George, I understand that he was riding his bike yesterday out at the ranch. (I hope no London Bobbies got in his way). He took a 2 hour bike ride and when he got back, he was asked how he could go for a two hour bike ride when he doesn’t have time to meet with me, and he said: “I have to go on with my life.” (Austin Statesman, August 14) WHAT!!!!!????? He has to get on with his life!!! I am so offended by that statement. Every person, war fan, or not, who has had a child killed in this mistake of an occupation should be highly offended by that remark. Who does he think he is? I wish I could EVER be able to get on with my life. Getting on with my life means a life without my dear, sweet boy. Getting on with my life means learning to live with a pain that is so intense that sometimes I feel like throwing up, or screaming until I pass out from sorrow. I wish a little bike ride could help me get on with my life…”
August 15th, 2005 at 2:17 pmI wish Bushie could get on with his “next life”.
August 15th, 2005 at 2:23 pmCC –
You say “we need to crush [terrorism] where it exists”. I assume you mean that is done by invasion and occupation of Iraq? A random country where terrorism did not exist? Did any of the 9000+ Iraqi men, women or children who died directly from U.S. forces action VOLUNTEER to die? Did we ask them if they were willing to die for the cause of somebody else getting liberated? I support regime change in several places in the world but killing the defenseless is immoral, period.
August 15th, 2005 at 2:28 pmCome now Darth,
How can you allow simple things like facts get in the way of a perectly good delusion?
In all seriousness, these people, that still support Bush and this war…..they’re frickin nuts.
Are you ready for a civil war!
August 15th, 2005 at 2:59 pm“3. If we want to eradicate terrorism we need to crush it where it exists and then enable the terrorist-harboring countries to police it themselves — this means regime change.
4. Regime change will occur country by country — and will take a long time, but will be worth it in the long run.”
Concerned Cnservative
Here is something to be concerned about regime change is NOT a legal reason to go to war. On the contrary, it is an illegal reason to go to war. That is why the Bush administration has never said that. It is funny that you think that is why we are there, but according to the person you support, it is not.
So, if those are your reasons for the war in Iraq being just, it shows that you support an illegal war.
August 15th, 2005 at 3:02 pmdon’t use your Liberal black magic on me!
;)
August 15th, 2005 at 3:13 pmHere is a beauty of an article from Paul Craig Roberts (asst. Sec. Treasury under Reagan):
http://www.vdare.com/roberts/050813_wwiii.htm
August 15th, 2005 at 3:14 pmAfter the fall of the Soviet Union… Chechnya.
Oh yeah, let’s spread it around.
August 15th, 2005 at 3:16 pmUm, Jay… I bet you could find that Paul Craig Roberts article someplace else. VDare is a soft White Nationalist site. VDare on steroids would be Stormfront.
August 15th, 2005 at 3:18 pmThanks KillCon. I read it earlier on Counterpunch and just Googled it and that was the first one I clicked on.
August 15th, 2005 at 3:25 pmWhat’s a “soft White Nationalist” if you don’t mind my asking?
Nevermind….I got it….yikes!
August 15th, 2005 at 3:26 pmNo… I want to be fair… here is a Wiki post
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDARE
The neutrality is being questioned, check the discussion page and the edit history, it’s a hot topic.
For the science minded,
http://www.gnxp.com/MT2/archives/001946.html
August 15th, 2005 at 3:41 pmIt’s like anything else, the contributors at any site run the full spectrum and gamut from moderate to extreme.
August 15th, 2005 at 3:42 pmHomegrown and Beyond
How many GREAT blogs originate here in Arkansas? A growing number and we link to several as part of the blog segment in today’s 5:30 Report with Doug Krile.
August 15th, 2005 at 3:50 pmDarth,
Terrorism did not exist in Iraq prior to our invasion? Sure it did, but it happened to be state-sponsored.
I’m not sure what families of the 9,000 dead Iraqis (many of whom were terrorists, by the way) think, but I’m guessing they don’t like us very much. Of course, the families of the 300,000 or so murdered by Saddam are probably pretty happy with the outcome.
Killing the defenseless is not right and my impression from what I have read is that our troops are bending over backwards to limit civilians casualties. And probably increasing risk for their own harm in the process.
August 15th, 2005 at 4:03 pmCC,
the we removed Saddam because he was bad argument does not hold up. If we were militarily going to remove any dictator or non democratic government, we would need to invade most of Africa, a fair bit of Asia and some of central, and south america.
Besides we were told that Saddam presented an immediate threat to the U.S. because of his nonexistant WMD program, not that we were going to liberate Iraq.
August 15th, 2005 at 4:10 pmJay, it was an interesting article and KillCon I appreciate the wikipedia page.
If you’re looking for an “angle” to this peice I might suggest that the author speaks so badly of the Iraq war and the inablility to recruit for another war in Iran to get folks to agree when Bushie says “I’ll pull our troops out of Iraq if you allow me to send them to Iran”. “They really have WMD’s”
Just a thought, otherwise I think it was a truthful article. With the neocons you have to be looking for an obvious “angle” though.
August 15th, 2005 at 4:14 pmthe we removed Saddam because he was bad argument does not hold up. If we were militarily going to remove any dictator or non democratic government, we would need to invade most of Africa, a fair bit of Asia and some of central, and south america.
Not to mention ourselves.
August 15th, 2005 at 4:17 pmAt least CC admits that we went in for a regime change. He acknowledges that BushCo committed a crime that is grounds for impeachment.
Lets copy and paste CC’s admission and use it as proof that Bushie supporters believe that Bushie committed a crime.
It will be a great peice of evidence in the articles of impeachment. Add the Bushie supporters admission to the consensus of the rest of America and we have 100% who say Bushie committed a crime.
Thanks CC, Ramsey Clark appreciates your cooperation with his demand to impeach.
August 15th, 2005 at 4:21 pmCC also states that there was terrorism in Iraq pre-invasion and that makes our occupation “noble”.
There was terrorism in the U.S. on 9-11-01, should another nation occupy the U.S. to fight the war on terror?
See how stupid you sound CC?
August 15th, 2005 at 4:27 pmTerrorism did not exist in Iraq prior to our invasion? Sure it did, but it happened to be state-sponsored.
That’s true, CC, but it was not like you portray it. In point of fact, under Saddam there was less mayhem and bloodshed because of a strong, controlling centralized state. Otherwise they would have all been at each other. Balkanization. By the time all is said and done, the number of deaths directly attibutable to the fall of the Soviet Union could far exceed the number who died during it’s reign. Whatever number you throw out there is propaganda. It’s not the “100 million corpses” wingnuts like to vomit up. Try 30 million from the beginning of the Stalinist purges to the fall of the Union. I knew that, and was surprised to hear an honest Republican use that number on the floor of the House or Senate recently.
August 15th, 2005 at 4:38 pmBy contrast, the number of “communists” (anybody whose land you wanted or had a grudge against)killed in four months by the CIA backed government death squads in Indonesia…
“…in four months,
five times as many
people died in
Indonesia as in
Vietnam in
twelve years.”
– Bertrand Russell, 1966
So don’t talk to me about death and murder. I know more about it than you ever will.
August 15th, 2005 at 4:43 pmWould you like to see a picture of the lined up “evil commies” waiting for the bayonet in the back?
Just like Nazi germany? They didn’t like communists either.
August 15th, 2005 at 4:45 pmFish has two heads and four feet!
August 15th, 2005 at 4:46 pmCindy Sheehan is just a confused woman who is being manipulated by the hate America first crowd. Thats all, it looks pretty pathetic to me.
You libs don’t get too excited about this. Another hate america traitor is not what your party needs right now.
I love it when wingnuts try to give us advice on what we need and what we ought to do. As if they’ve got our best interests at heart. Yeah riiiiiiiiight.
August 15th, 2005 at 4:49 pmFish,
get a clue, we don’t hate america, we don’t like our government. I have said it before and will say it again. George W. Bush is not America.
August 15th, 2005 at 4:50 pmFish, why aren’t you in Iraq? Better yet send your children.
Chickenhawk.
August 15th, 2005 at 4:58 pmhate to tell all of you this, as you probably already know…
THE FISH STINKS – I THINK IT IS ROTTEN AND SHOULD BE PLACED IN THE TRASH WHERE IT BELONGS!
August 15th, 2005 at 5:00 pmI think that this thread is a little out of context,
August 15th, 2005 at 5:03 pmThe quote should read:
‘If Bush listens to Mrs. (soon to be Ms.) Sheehan then the terrorist win.”
We can’t just pull out today, surely you all see that…
This new government is just getting on to its feet,
I think that its pretty clear that in 8 months or so, we will have a much different presence in Iraq.
After the constitution is agreed to and the the elections in the fall.
Get a clue.
I hate fish. I’m definitely no vegetarian. I like to hunt. Fishing is for old boring folks, unless it’s done with a spear gun.
August 15th, 2005 at 5:05 pmWe can certainly start. It’s going to take months to do it. You get a clue, they just extended the deadline for the constitution. We’ll be there for years if we don’t get a new policy, as opposed to the current policy, which is no policy.
August 15th, 2005 at 5:08 pmSusan,
Cindy Sheehan’s son volunteered to go to Iraq, or anywhere else the president sent him.
August 15th, 2005 at 5:08 pmThat is what enlisting in the United States Armed Forces is all about.
These rightwing wing nuts should stick to FAUX programming.
I don’t understand why shrubya does not just roll the window down on the SUV (while he’s on his way to another NAZI fund raiser) and
Flip Sheehan off.
Uncle KKKarl must have told him grown ups don’t do that sort of thing. But as the trained monkey has done in the past when irritated, he may flip her off or quote his daddy when he was confronted by ANOTHER MOTHER OF A FALLEN SOLDIER….he said and I quote:
(circa 1987) “Shut up! Just shut up, you people make me sick!”
If the shrub had the big ole brass balls that these wing nuts that invade this site have, he would confront her.
As monkeys usually do, he may throw some sh***t at her.
But he has demonstrated in the past and continues to show us that he has NO SPINE, NO BALLS. He will have his hate mongers attack her. (oops, they already are)
They have suggested that she does not have a good past (like their idol monkeyboy????) and therefore shouldn’t be sad that her boy was killed FOR THE LIES WE WERE TOLD.
The last time I checked, you don’t have to be a Saint to be sad and speak out about the LIES THAT CLAIM THE LIVES OF OUR SOLDIERS.
I SUPPORT OUR SOLDIERS, JUST NOT THE IDIOT THAT SENT THEM SO HIS FAMILY AND CRONIES COULD MAKE A KILLING!!!
August 15th, 2005 at 5:08 pm(no pun intended)
We have started to withdraw Killcon. Troop levels are down.
August 15th, 2005 at 5:12 pmYeah fish, its called being dead. You have to minus for every casualty.
August 15th, 2005 at 5:16 pmDumbest … argument … ever
August 15th, 2005 at 5:16 pmI would talk to her… the poor woman need to here the voice reason.
August 15th, 2005 at 5:18 pmThrowing shit on her seems a little harsh…. maybe let Tricky Dick hang out the back of the SUV and light them all up with a paint ball gun!
I’d pay to see that.
ok, confused commie (or something like that)
Your mind only works properly when open, the way you qualify not watching farenheit 911 shows me that you are a close minded idiot and that YOU DO INFACT have an opinion of the movie.
No matter what your views of Michael Moore, you owe it to yourself to pull your head out of your…. and seek some truth. The TRUTH is in the movie, and the TRUTH IS you just don’t want to admit that shrub’s family are PURE EVIL.
They profit from conflict and power. They are CLOSELY ASSOCIATED WITH THE BIN LADEN FAMILY both personally and in business.
and ps:
I think you probably have some interesting observations about civil rights too. Does your sheet come in any other color than white?
August 15th, 2005 at 5:18 pmWhy aren’t you in Iraq fish…come on tough guy be a man..Show us how real men don’t mind fighting illegal wars. Go!
Chickenhawk, sissy.
August 15th, 2005 at 5:20 pmYou can’t argue with a chickenhawk KJ, they are pansies. When the going gets tough they wet their pants and go home crying to mommie.
Mommie changes their diapers and then they wet again and they cry again. It goes on and on and the diaper companies love it.
August 15th, 2005 at 5:23 pmThat’s right Susan! They will turn their head to any opinion other that the one they are told to have.
You just can not fix stupid.
August 15th, 2005 at 5:26 pmWell Susan,
I if it was not for men and woman like me, you would be wearing a burqa and would be just on of Okhmeds wives.
August 15th, 2005 at 5:29 pmI did serve in the Marines in the early 90’s.
smelly fish is the kind of REPUGnican shrubites love.
Loads of opinions and totally ignores the facts. Mouth always flapping.
To scared to admit they are wrong, and way to scared to go fight (or even work in Iraq), just too dangerous.
Those that can not afford an education are forced to DIE FOR A LIE, while those that can afford an education are preaching the “noble” cause. (sic)
shrub should fall off his bike and talk to Cindy.
August 15th, 2005 at 5:31 pmBut he knows he is TOTALLY OUT WITTED!
Nice try kj
August 15th, 2005 at 5:32 pmyou coward.
FISH, go back, THEY ARE NEEDING BODIES …. warm bodies.
They have even raised the age limit….soon they’ll lower the age limit too…. remember Hitler’s youth?
They are blowing mega $$$$ in advertising trying to get new BLOOD.
Seems like you didn’t serve close enough to any ACTION.
August 15th, 2005 at 5:35 pmBecause it seems you still have the use of your limbs.
pity.
Then get your ass to Iraq fish. You’re fully trained whats the problem? I know, your a liar and you never served. All Bushie supporters are liars.
Chickenhawk, sissy, coward.
August 15th, 2005 at 5:36 pmSusan…..DITTO!!!!
August 15th, 2005 at 5:37 pmYou people don’t even have any ideas.
August 15th, 2005 at 5:38 pmHow sad is this.
If we all were cowards like sheehan, susan and kj, there wouldn’t be an America.
Keep smokin dope and living in fantasy land and the rest of us will keep winning elections fighting for freedom.
What’s wrong susan, didn’t your father love you enough?
August 15th, 2005 at 5:39 pmQuestion,
If smellyfish feels this way about Iraq, and actually did go and fight and hopefully
DIE
for lies
Then would his mommy BE GLAD?
smellyfish’s kind of mind set takes generations to cultivate. i suspect the swastika falls close to the NAZI.
August 15th, 2005 at 5:40 pmthey will keep winning elections???????
winning??????
or
STEALING??????????
You are delusional, and obtuse.
August 15th, 2005 at 5:41 pmYou losers are not worth my time.
Just as Sheehan is not worth the presidents time.
Enjoy your back padding delusional play ground.
August 15th, 2005 at 5:43 pmby the way smellyfish,
I could show you a few things about bravery.
I would LOVE to have the opportunity to do it IN PERSON.
August 15th, 2005 at 5:43 pmMy father is a Korean war veteran someone you hate for having courage.
Answer the question sissy, why aren’t you in Iraq fighting for our freedom?
August 15th, 2005 at 5:44 pmSusan – he is (smelly fish) a looser.
A clueless fool.
I applaud you!!! You are more AMERICAN than those idiots will ever be. They can’t stand the fact that their ship is sunk.
August 15th, 2005 at 5:46 pmRight on KJ. CC who I think is posing as fish admits that Bushie committed an impeachable offense and he calls us delusional.
Guess the meds aren’t working too well these days.
August 15th, 2005 at 5:48 pmThat would explain it having two heads
August 15th, 2005 at 5:50 pmWhen the FISH STINKS, it is time to put it in the garbage with the other TRASH.
August 15th, 2005 at 5:51 pmAnd the yellow stripe across his back.
August 15th, 2005 at 5:52 pmWhat name is he going to change to? Any guesses?
August 15th, 2005 at 5:52 pmThat would explain a lot, CC (concerned commie) and I don’t get along well at all.
Get’s too hot for him, so the coward changes name for posting.
Must be pretty upsetting to be busted in the chops as both commies.
August 15th, 2005 at 5:53 pmYou would think people would be sick and tired of having a President who has spent his entire time in office working selfishly and primarily to make his family and his Saudi and corporate friend’s families richer, at the cost of running an entire nation into the ground. But apparently, people prefer ignorance and lies to responsibility and a President who works FOR the people as opposed to AGAINST the people.
The terrorists won the day the Bush administration was able to efficiently use abstract fear and panic against our country: 9/11, Osama, Saddam, oil prices, terror threat code, WMDs, airport screeners, paid columnists, right wing punditry, etc. It all works in favor of this administration and, obviously, the terrorists, whichever ones you are afraid of.
If Parker writes such a moronic column, the terrorists win as well.
August 15th, 2005 at 5:54 pmI have a suggestion for his new and improved name..
MINDLESS FOOL
August 15th, 2005 at 5:54 pmMaybe he’ll be a bit more creative this time and use something like sharkbait.
August 15th, 2005 at 5:55 pmOr perhaps
Clueless in America
August 15th, 2005 at 5:56 pmor White powered idiot or braindead shrubite
but i think the one that fits him best is
CHICKENHAWK COWARD
August 15th, 2005 at 5:56 pmthat way he doesn’t need to change the monogram on the stationary
August 15th, 2005 at 5:57 pmOr his bath towels. Walmart doesn’t carry many monogrammed bath towels ya know.
August 15th, 2005 at 5:59 pmOh, hi fools, just stopping back in to comment.
“The fish has two head’s and four feet” was in reference to the fact that one of you
nut-job libs was using MY name. See #3 on this tread. I have no relation to CC. I’m guessing that your paranoid little minds wouldn’t buy that…. but it’s true.
Anyway.
There are, in fact, some principles involved here. Any citizen has the right to petition the president for redress of grievance, or for that matter to insult him to his face. But the potential number of such people is very large, and you don’t have the right to cut in line by having so much free time that you can set up camp near his drive. Then there is the question of civilian control over the military, which is an authority that one could indeed say should be absolute. The military and its relatives have no extra claim on the chief executive’s ear. Indeed, it might be said that they have less claim than the rest of us, since they have voluntarily sworn an oath to obey and carry out orders. Most presidents in time of war have made an exception in the case of the bereaved—Lincoln’s letter to the mother of two dead Union soldiers (at the time, it was thought that she had lost five sons) is a famous instance—but the job there is one of comfort and reassurance, and this has already been discharged in the Sheehan case. If that stricken mother had been given an audience and had risen up to say that Lincoln had broken his past election pledges and sought a wider and more violent war with the Confederacy, his aides would have been quite right to show her the door and to tell her that she was out of order.
Finally, I think one must deny to anyone the right to ventriloquize the dead. Casey Sheehan joined up as a responsible adult volunteer. Are we so sure that he would have wanted to see his mother acquiring “a knack for P.R.” and announcing that he was killed in a war for a Jewish cabal? This is just as objectionable, on logical as well as moral grounds, as the old pro-war argument that the dead “must not have died in vain.” I distrust anyone who claims to speak for the fallen, and I distrust even more the hysterical noncombatants who exploit the grief of those who have to bury them.
August 15th, 2005 at 6:51 pmGoodday and Goodnight.
Politics is a contact sport, Fish. It isn’t for the milquetoast chickenhawks. The liberal war hawks have always been more lethal, we just don’t go to war for cheese and beans.
Tom Tomorrow:
The collapsing storyline
Digby is wondering what it is about Cindy Sheehan that gets under the right wingers’ skin. My own quick two cents: she makes them realize they’re losing control of the narrative. For four years, conservatives have answered any criticism by invoking the flag, the troops, and of course 9/11 itself. But “the troops” are not an ethereal concept or a moment frozen in history–they are individuals, each with their own stories, not all of whom are going to happily hew to the party line. (I hear tell that some of them may even be–gasp–Democrats.) Cindy Sheehan drives this home. As the mother of a young man sacrificed on the altar of George Bush’s hubris, she has the moral authority to challenge the precarious worldview they’ve constructed, and deep down, they know it.
http://www.thismodernworld.com/weblog/mtarchives/week_2005_08_07.html#002370
August 15th, 2005 at 6:56 pmIs today your birthday kc?
August 15th, 2005 at 7:11 pmI just wanna know why the chickenhawks wont go to Iraq…
There are no restrictions to enlist in the military any more and they even give out prizes when you sign up..
I just wanna know…
August 15th, 2005 at 7:11 pmCome on fish, I just wanna know…why wont you go to Iraq?
August 15th, 2005 at 7:12 pmIs it because your mommie won’t be upset if you come home in a body bag? She won’t become a historical American figure on your behalf?
I just wanna know….
August 15th, 2005 at 7:14 pmGoodday and Goodnight.
Comment by fish — August 15, 2005 @ 6:51 pm
I thought you were leaving.
Is today your birthday kc?
Comment by fish — August 15, 2005 @ 7:11 pm
Yes it is. I made a wish blew out all the candles but you are still here.
August 15th, 2005 at 7:39 pmIs it because your mommie won’t be upset if you come home in a body bag? She won’t become a historical American figure on your behalf?
His mommy is an hysterical American figure, like he is. I wonder what kind of fish…. Blowfish!
August 15th, 2005 at 7:41 pm“Lincoln’s letter to the mother of two dead Union soldiers (at the time, it was thought that she had lost five sons) is a famous instance—but the job there is one of comfort and reassurance, and this has already been discharged in the Sheehan case. If that stricken mother had been given an audience and had risen up to say that Lincoln had broken his past election pledges and sought a wider and more violent war with the Confederacy, his aides would have been quite right to show her the door and to tell her that she was out of order.”
Comment by fish — August 15, 2005 @ 6:51 pm
Fish,
August 15th, 2005 at 8:23 pmI think drawing a parallel between this installed imposter and ANY president that had a thought process and commanded respect, doesn’t work.
“Finally, I think one must deny to anyone the right to ventriloquize the dead…
Are we so sure that he would have wanted to see his mother acquiring “a knack for P.R.†and announcing that he was killed in a war for a Jewish cabal?
…I distrust anyone who claims to speak for the fallen, and I distrust even more the hysterical noncombatants who exploit the grief of those who have to bury them.”
So now YOU can “ventriloquize the dead” fish, but his mother shouldn’t, seeing that she knew him better than you? If thats the case, read the last quotation I took from your post.
August 15th, 2005 at 9:49 pmMan, these republicans have no dignity or ethics whatsoever. The little weasel even had to steal my handle. Just goes to show you what happens when schoolyard bullies grow up and realize they can’t get chicks anymore. They become immoral republicans. I am the fish, and you weren’t even cool when you were nine years old punk.
August 15th, 2005 at 10:06 pmLibs, you disappoint me, but you don’t surprise me. No war is noble as far as you all are concerned. The US is guilty. This argument is tiresome, boring, and specious. Why didn’t the president’s daughters go? It’s a volunteer force! The president didn’t “send” Cindy Sheehan’s son over there; he volunteered. If she is doing anything, she is sullying his memory. She is making his life worthless. She is making what he volunteered to do worthless, and you guys, you don’t see this. There are sons, there are family members of elected officials in Washington who have been and are in Iraq. It’s not a great number, but they are there. But it’s not a draft, and the president can’t choose who goes. It’s a volunteer army and everything that you said is doing a disservice to those who have volunteered to represent this country and serve this country and their families, and if I were you, I would be ashamed and try to grow up and get a little maturity.
August 15th, 2005 at 10:38 pmI had you scumbags shut down for awhile… good for me!
August 15th, 2005 at 11:57 pmpiss off smelly fish
no one here cares about your opinions. You are full of crap.
NO ONE HERE LIKES YOUR LITTLE MONKEYBOY
GO AWAY ONCE AND FOR ALL….GO watch your religous program… bill O- L I E lly.
Spewing all your garbage does nothing but prove you are a wingnut idiot.
Standing behind the monkeyboy (the one that injured soldiers REFUSE to meet with in Walter Reed) and using FAUX talking points, just shows us you are a bigot idiot.
BUSH LIES – INNOCENT SOLDIERS DIE.
August 16th, 2005 at 12:03 amFISH FRIES – NO ONE LISTENS.
These rightwing wing nuts should stick to FAUX programming.
I don’t understand why shrubya does not just roll the window down on the SUV (while he’s on his way to another NAZI fund raiser) and
Flip Sheehan off.
Uncle KKKarl must have told him grown ups don’t do that sort of thing. But as the trained monkey has done in the past when irritated, he may flip her off or quote his daddy when he was confronted by ANOTHER MOTHER OF A FALLEN SOLDIER….he said and I quote:
(circa 1987) “Shut up! Just shut up, you people make me sick!â€
If the shrub had the big ole brass balls that these wing nuts that invade this site have, he would confront her.
As monkeys usually do, he may throw some sh***t at her.
But he has demonstrated in the past and continues to show us that he has NO SPINE, NO BALLS. He will have his hate mongers attack her. (oops, they already are)
They have suggested that she does not have a good past (like their idol monkeyboy????) and therefore shouldn’t be sad that her boy was killed FOR THE LIES WE WERE TOLD.
The last time I checked, you don’t have to be a Saint to be sad and speak out about the LIES THAT CLAIM THE LIVES OF OUR SOLDIERS.
I SUPPORT OUR SOLDIERS, JUST NOT THE IDIOT THAT SENT THEM SO HIS FAMILY AND CRONIES COULD MAKE A KILLING!!!
August 16th, 2005 at 12:04 am(no pun intended)
SMELLY FISH, I bet you would be beautiful —
IN A BODYBAG
August 16th, 2005 at 12:07 amAs long as we’re at it, smelly fish…
How do you feel about gay marriage….
Blacks voting?
I BET you have plenty to say on these issues to….and
I JUST BET that you and shrubya AGREE ON BOTH.
Geeezzz…. what a schmuck!
August 16th, 2005 at 12:09 amThank GOD Sheehan has bigger balls and BETTER MORALS
August 16th, 2005 at 12:11 amthan the nut job monkey boy and his handlers.
Fish heads fish heads rolly polly fish heads.
August 16th, 2005 at 2:33 am1. While we are at checking Cindy’s past to make sure she has done everything right and than give her a time of the day, I would just like to know, do they check the past of the parents when they take their children away and send them to Iraq? Do they even check the children, or that is not so much important when it comes to “live meat†necessary in Iraq?
August 16th, 2005 at 8:54 am2. Does anyone in this country think rationally any more? Now, when I read all this, I’m wondering where’ve all you people been after 9-11, when W and his “base†used the situation to bring Patriot Act, attack Afghanistan and Iraq..? Even my kid knew why W was going in Iraq. Who in the right mind would believe that after 20 years of sanctions and one war with NATO already, Saddam would have money, balls and alleys to build WMD? I’m disappointed, very disappointed. Most of you act after the fact, which is, as you already know and feel…..little to late.
3. I feel for Cindy, I do. But Medicare will be cut 26%, prices of gas go sky high, SS is in danger, cost of living is rising up daily, there is more and more people that cannot afford basic things in life. We are all responsible for that. No matter who did you voted for. If he’s doing all this, it’s our fault because we let him. Cindy talking to Bush will not change anything in America; I know that for a fact. Maybe, it will change things for her, but I doubt. We focus too much on the person, instead of issue. She deserves explanation, I agree, but that is just top of the iceberg.
# 54, MisterB
I am getting really good at guessing what all those “shortcuts” mean (WTF, STFU and so on *g*) but what does ROFLMAOPP mean? I just can’t figure it out *g*
on topic: I have read the whole report – have you seen the option at the end of it: “recommend to a friend” – well this is something you don’t do to a FRIEND!
I have read a lot of bs but this report is beating them all!
Quote:
August 16th, 2005 at 9:47 am“He can’t because he’s the president of the United States, because we’re at war, and because every move he makes causes ripples around the world”
Right – he starts a completely unjustified war based on lies and brings us all closer to the verge of world war III and that makes the world safer, but he can’t meet with the mother of a fallen soldier because that would make the whole world less save?????
That kind of logic leaves me utterly speechless – can’t stop shaking my head……
ROFLMAOPP = Rolling on the floor laughing my ass off peeing pants
August 16th, 2005 at 10:40 am#70, NO IN FACT HALLIBURTON employees that work over seas do NOT pay income tax on money earned there.
I live around many many helliburton employees and I know.
I had one friend what was killed in a suicide bombing. He was coming home after his 30 days overseas. He didn’t have to pay taxes on the money he earned RIGHT BEFORE HE WAS BLOWN UP.
August 16th, 2005 at 12:45 pm#17
Too bad you don’t take such a stance against the growing secrecy of our government and the administration currently occupying the White House. We want answers!
,S.
August 16th, 2005 at 1:03 pmThe answer is simpler than one would think. We’re pretty much at a crossroads here in America.
Public opinion supported the action of invasion and pre-emptive attack on a soverign country based on the assumption that there was a threat.
Iraq and Saddam were never a threat to this country, even if there were a few terrorist harboured there. They are harboured, just about everywhere.
So, the facts are pretty much in. No WMD’s, no nukes, no long range missles, no threat. Blah, Blah.
The adminisration gets inventive. If we establish a democracy in the middle east, we reduce the chance of more terrorist attacks. This is gonna be expensive and it’s going to take a long time “approach”.
Now. If 3 years ago, the monkeyboy stood up and said, “Hey ya’all…great idea time, the middle east needs a democracy and if we establish one there, there’s real good chance that sentiment will change towards’ the good ole USA in Arab land, BUT, it’s gonna cost 300 billion plus, we will lose several thousand american lives and we will kill ten’s of thousand innocent Iraqi civilians and we could be there for 10 years” How many votes do you think braindead would have got then or even now?? Zip and you would be right.
What is there ever present demand of Bin Laden and pretty much every fanatical jihadist? “Get out of our house, get out of our city, get out of our country”
That’s it and that’s all they want. They don’t want a democracy. They want a theocracy and whether we like it or not, that is what they will have.
So how does monkeyboy withdraw, quit and bring the boys home without looking like the limp noodle, slack ass that he really is??
How do we as a country recover from the embarrasment of re-electing the above same??
In spite of all the uplifing, we’re wonderful,positive spin shit that the media is accused of burying, (cause it really don’t exist) it truly is, all bad. Poor judgement, high idealogical aspirations, but a sincere motivation to protect our oil resources.
Yep, wisdom is a precious thing and we are getting close to standing on the cliff, as a nation.
Cut losses and suck it up, then clean up our mess or “stay the course” and look forward to an excalating body count, a financial albatross and a long term future in Iraq, USA, Inc.??
I’d say Cindy Sheehan is an angel and single handedly, bringing this country to the edge.
August 16th, 2005 at 2:35 pmFrom http://www.scrappleface.com:
Grieving Bush Protestor Has No Exit Strategy
by Scott Ott
(2005-08-16) — Cindy Sheehan, the protestor whose son died fighting for freedom in Iraq, today acknowledged that she has “no exit strategy” for getting out of what some have called the “quagmire in Crawford” outside of the Texas ranch of President George Bush.
“My opponent is more entrenched than I expected,” said Mrs. Sheehan, whose vigil has focused national attention on the ability of the news media to focus national attention on Mrs. Sheehan. “I’m still committed to victory, but it may take longer than I thought at first.”
Mrs. Sheehan said she is willing to “pay any price, bear any burden” to get a second meeting with Mr. Bush.
A little levity helps pass the time!
August 16th, 2005 at 2:54 pm:o)
A little levity helps pass the time!
Be sure to let us know uf you come across any.
Equating Sheehan to your toy “president” is just stupid. She is accepting and suffering the consequences of her own decisions. Chimpy-boy George’s consequences are paid by kids like Casey Sheehan, and by 100,000 slaughtered innocents in Iraq.
August 16th, 2005 at 3:27 pmBS Red,
August 16th, 2005 at 3:36 pmYou couldn’t carry Cindy’s lunch. She has exhibited more courage than you ever will chickenhawk.
Hi Dave,
Check out the links that Saddam had with terrorists before the war:
http://www.HusseinAndTerror.com/
Check it out, learn some facts, or do you just like ranting in the dark?
August 16th, 2005 at 3:36 pmCheck it out:
Learn some facts, Stephen Hayes and Laurie Mylroie are crackpots, Flatearther.
August 16th, 2005 at 3:43 pmWell fish, I guess all the world intellegent networks were wrong all along. Thank God that an unknown journalist, Laurie Malyroic, in a second class paper, New York Sun, set us all straight.
You’re a moron.
August 16th, 2005 at 3:44 pmLibs, you disappoint me, but you don’t surprise me. No war is noble as far as you all are concerned.
The war to kill your kind is a most noble endeavour. The sooner we get started the better.
August 16th, 2005 at 3:47 pmDid you know that;
“After enlisting in the Army in 2000, Casey Sheehan reenlisted for a second tour knowing full well that he could be sent to fight in Iraq.”
http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/darr/050814
I bet you didn’t.
August 16th, 2005 at 3:48 pmShe is not an unknown. Neither is that idiot Hayes. Liars and discredited propagandists both.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Laurie_Mylroie
Kill a connie for Jesus. Better dead than red.
August 16th, 2005 at 3:49 pmI wish I was spear fishing right now. I would probably still club you and let you suffocate to death once I got you in the boat. That’s a noble war.
August 16th, 2005 at 3:50 pmRenew America. What a bunch of morons. You are the domestic danger, terror and enemy, and you are going down hard and you ain’t coming back up.
August 16th, 2005 at 3:54 pmHey fish, you couldn’t carry Cindy’s lunch either.
How many times have you been deployed to Iraq?
August 16th, 2005 at 3:55 pmThis coming from a small group of people (you dopes) who consider a fat slob like Michael Moron to be the ultimate truth detector.
August 16th, 2005 at 4:01 pmThank God you are just a tinny insignificant minority!
Keep talking Cindy, keep talkin,
August 16th, 2005 at 4:03 pmshow the country who you fool’s really are!
Fish,
If you are still a follower of the fascist reich that is still in power, well then you are a traitor to democracy. After we get Gingrich and the American taliban out of the game, your ilk will never see the light of political day again.
Enjoy your 15 minutes of fame, its almost over.
August 16th, 2005 at 4:10 pmtinny ?
August 16th, 2005 at 4:26 pmWe hooked fish. We had to toss him back. Too small. Some day you will end up on the plate, mate.
August 16th, 2005 at 4:28 pmsmelly fish is just an idiot, with real mental problems. he-she-it can not function normally in public either. this is the type of person that acts up at a restarant when the order is bad. this is the loud mouth at a bar, you know the type. the kind of mentally disturbed person that has to act out to feel important. my guess is he can’t cut it with the repugnicans either.
that is why it tries to stir up things here. ignore it and it will get bored and go back to the O LIElly program.
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