Warning Shots Fired at Fitzgerald?
Warning Shots Fired at Fitzgerald?
It wasn’t too long ago that Ken Mehlman, former political director at the White House under Rove, was heaping praises on Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald during “Meet the Pressâ€:
I have tremendous confidence in Pat Fitzgerald. He’s a career prosecutor. He’s a tough prosecutor. That’s why he was put in charge of this case, because people want to get to the bottom of it. And that’s why it is so outrageous that these partisan smears would occur this past week. The question is this: Do the people that are smearing Karl Rove not have confidence in Mr. Fitzgerald? Do they not think, in fact, he’s going to get to the bottom of it? Or would they rather, than getting to the facts, try to make political gain?
Host Tim Russert then asked Mehlman the obvious questions: “If, in fact, he indicts White House officials, will you accept that indictment and not fight it?…Will you pledge today, because you have tremendous confidence in him, that you will not criticize his decision?†Despite the urgings of Russert (and Center for American Progress CEO John Podesta), Mehlman would not take that step.
Bob Dole’s attack today on Patrick Fitzgerald may quite possibly be the first warning shots of a coming right-wing campaign to undermine Fitzgerald. Is someone in the White House getting nervous?
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Does anyone really care about what Bob Dole has to say? I think he pretty much done in politics. The republicans must be getting nervous about the outcome if they are starting the smear already.
August 16th, 2005 at 3:10 pmBob Dole didn’t attack Fitzgerald, any more than Ken Mehlman did. Here’s the key graph in the Dole article:
“I, of course, do not know what evidence Mr. Fitzgerald has presented to the grand jury, nor will I hazard a guess as to the final outcome of his investigation. But the imprisonment of Judith Miller will be even more troubling if it turns out that no violation of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act has occurred. As she sits in jail, Congress can honor her commitment to principle and her courage, and that of all reporters who have helped expose wrongdoing by protecting their sources, by passing the Lugar-Pence bill and creating a federal privilege for reporters.”
Dole was simply supporting a federal shield law for the press. It’s a bad idea, but certainly it is in vogue among politicians and bureaucrats who prefer leaks to straightforward public comments. Nevertheless, citing this article as an omen of future attacks on Fitzgerald “may quite possibly be” truly paranoid.
August 16th, 2005 at 3:12 pmDole’s entire op-ed will be for squat if Fitzgerald comes up with an indictment.
August 16th, 2005 at 3:13 pmBSR,
the general strategy by the Bush white house to combat bad news has been to attack the bearer. why would fitzgerald be any different? I have seen it over and over again.
August 16th, 2005 at 3:19 pmRead the Bob Dole op-ed for yourself. Indictment or no inidictment, it’s a moot point to Bob Dole. Bob Dole thinks there should be a federal shield law.
August 16th, 2005 at 3:21 pmUnless Mipe or someone else can explain how Dole “attacked” Fitzgerald (he didn’t), this whole thread is bogus and should be taken down.
August 16th, 2005 at 3:25 pm“But the imprisonment of Judith Miller will be even more troubling if it turns out that no violation of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act has occurred.”
BSR, do you really think that Fitz and the judges would lock her up if they didn’t smell a violation?
August 16th, 2005 at 3:25 pmParanoid, eh? For Dole (any repub) to come out and actually say something about a reporter, who neocons call “the liberal media,” in a good light is glaringly obvious. I mean really - let’s hurry and get that bill out so we can protect the leftist media? Really?
BTW, Miller did not expose any wrongdoing and this bill wouldn’t even address her. Honor her commitment to principle? Good grief, Charlie Brown.
August 16th, 2005 at 3:26 pmI’m glad their firing up Fitzgerald. If the wingers want to make this personal I see that as a good thing. Fitzgerald has all the power right now and if they want to play tough guys, cool.
Lock Dole up to Patrick, he’s obviously hiding something too.
August 16th, 2005 at 3:33 pmAnd Ken Starr was never attacked by the Clinton White House?
August 16th, 2005 at 3:33 pmBSR,
How do you manage to read AROUND stories or op-ed pieces such as you tend to do? Dole’s entire defense of Judy Miller is a swipe at Fitz and the judges that agreed to jail her. Bob Dole was a politician, he can smell the blood in the water, which is why he’s trying to protect her and her source(s).
August 16th, 2005 at 3:33 pmRed, Ken Starr ran a smear campaign and failed the Whitewater investigation. Starr and Fitzgerald are two completely different animals with the same job description.
August 16th, 2005 at 3:37 pmUnless Mipe or someone else can explain how Dole “attacked†Fitzgerald (he didn’t), this whole thread is bogus and should be taken down.
Comment by Blue State Red — August 16, 2005 @ 3:25 pm
You funny when you desparate.
August 16th, 2005 at 3:40 pmWRT Bob Dole… never trust a person that speaks of himself in the 3rd person.
As for Miller, she’s not in jail to protect a “source” she’s trying to cover her own ass, and make a buck or two off the deal. She’s the one that chose to be the mouthpiece for evil.
Matthew 15:16-20
And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
These are the things which defile a man
NeoCons should read AND UNDERSTAND the bibles they thump.
August 16th, 2005 at 3:40 pmJudy Miller’s jail sentence has nothing to do with any violation of the IIPA. Her reasons for refusing to testify are her own, but they surely don’t include a desire to protect Karl Rove. The Act is so narrow that it’s unlikely any violation occurred in any event. I think Fitzgerald is just a tough prosecutor who expects a witness to testify in response to a lawful subpena. I think he would do the same to you or me if one of us refused to testify.
August 16th, 2005 at 3:41 pmThat is a horrible comparison. If Ken Starr were asked to investigate the bush43 White House, he’d have wrapped up everything in 2 weeks and said everything is OK, they all walk on water.
You should know better than to bring his name up here to make ANY point.
August 16th, 2005 at 3:42 pmBob Dole didn’t attack Fitgerald. Bob Dole just wanted to talk about giving Dick some help, instead of getting help for his dick. Bob Dole gets tired of doing those Viagra commercials.
August 16th, 2005 at 3:49 pmBSR,
How do you know? Sounds like wishful thinking on your part.Read up on the subject rather than GOP talking points and you will realize at least perjury is at stake, among others. This is why Judy’s locked up, they want her to spill the beans and sing about WHO gave her the info.
August 16th, 2005 at 3:50 pmits not the IIPA, which was constructed to be almost impossible to prosecute, but SF 312, not a crime but a severe betrayal of trust and a firing offense at the least, we’ll see if it leads to perjury charges.
Ease up on the Dolester people no VRWC here just an old man with too much time on his hands. Not to mention he’s right and it’s not about a conservative coming out in defense of a reporter, liberal or otherwise, it’s a conservative coming out for more government control. When an old schooler like Dole comes out for federal legislation I muse on just what it means to be a Republican anymore? Big spending, big government, nation building, social police… it’s not your daddies party anymore:-)
August 16th, 2005 at 3:52 pmdole attacks fitzgerald professionally by attacking his handling of the investigation. he uses the op-ed to critique fitzgerald’s moves — and thus the investigation itself. notably, he tries to take out the legs of the investigation by lording over others with his own (personal albeit wrong) interpretation of the intelligence identities protection act.
on a side note, it’s laughable that dole is now trying to champion freedom of the press seeing as how within his capacity as head of the RNC he tried to take down woodward, deep throat, and friends during the whole watergate scandal.
August 16th, 2005 at 3:56 pmNo, it’s not your Daddies’ party. None of these people are conservatives in any sense of the word, and Eisenhower would switch parties. They are the domestic enemies, terrorists and most imminent danger to our freedoms. They are the freedumbs.
Kill a connie for Christ. Better dead than red.
August 16th, 2005 at 3:58 pmBSR is right. You freaks should be embarrassed. No smear exist in this op-ed except in the paranoid mind.
August 16th, 2005 at 4:01 pmRead it Zoso, not AROUND it.
August 16th, 2005 at 4:02 pmOn a side note: Do you even know what “Zoso” means? (Hint: More than Jimmy Page or Led Zeppelin)
August 16th, 2005 at 4:04 pm“Think Progress” has become “Think Paranoid.” No wonder Cindy Sheehan is so popular here.
August 16th, 2005 at 4:05 pmI don’t expect much blood in the civil war. They whine like children. Never met a neocon chickenhawk yet with the stomach for it.
August 16th, 2005 at 4:06 pmHave I clearly expressed how much I hate these cowards? Or do I need to speak more plainly?
August 16th, 2005 at 4:07 pmSpeaking of Mrs. Sheehan, here’s some right-wing humor on her current plight (courtesy of http://www.scrappleface.com):
Grieving Bush Protestor Has No Exit Strategy
by Scott Ott
(2005-08-16) — Cindy Sheehan, the protestor whose son died fighting for freedom in Iraq, today acknowledged that she has “no exit strategy” for getting out of what some have called the “quagmire in Crawford” outside of the Texas ranch of President George Bush.
“My opponent is more entrenched than I expected,” said Mrs. Sheehan, whose vigil has focused national attention on the ability of the news media to focus national attention on Mrs. Sheehan. “I’m still committed to victory, but it may take longer than I thought at first.”
Mrs. Sheehan said she is willing to “pay any price, bear any burden” to get a second meeting with Mr. Bush.
;o}
August 16th, 2005 at 4:09 pm“Hate” is a strong word. Humor is even stronger. Can’t we all just get along?
August 16th, 2005 at 4:12 pmDole is irrelevant. He has lost all credibility and respectability — he lost it long, ago and this essay will do nothing to restore his status. So I disregard it as useless nonsense cluttering up the newspaper. I AM concerned however that Fitzgerald is going to be replaced, or his findings diluted, because there is certainly something stirring. The WH must be nervous because they aren’t sure what’s cooking in Fitz’ stewpot, so they’re hedging on previous comments (Mehlman) and writing commentaries (Dole), and their Faux news toadies are already lining up for their scripts.
August 16th, 2005 at 4:15 pmNo one knows where this is going yet, but if the WH is jittery, then it’s a good thing.
If Bob Dole is so irrelevant how come everyone is commenting on an op-ed by Bob Dole? Where’s the outrage?
August 16th, 2005 at 4:23 pmTo paraphrase my Dear Departed Daddy: You can lead a republican to the truth and logic but you can’t make him think. Why bother? Just let them all go down with DUHbya and the Right-Wing Nuts.
August 16th, 2005 at 4:29 pmBob,
August 16th, 2005 at 4:30 pmThere is no outrage because you’re an old insignificant political has been. No one cares what you have to say, its irrelevant to the current world. Retire or die already.
To follow up on Blast in post #25, these rightwing Republicans are in fact cowards and when they have to defend their positions they’re bullies. Bullies can’t handle it when their opponents punch back. I’m sick and tired of the people that supposedly represent us in public forums behaving like they have to walk on eggshells when confronted with blatant lies. When anyone gets in your face and tries to intimidate you on these matters of war and truth and justice, stand up and be ready to fight. Take a punch but return a flurry of three of four of your own….even if they have to be real punches. Don’t be afraid to fight for what you believe in. Bullies and chickenhawks don’t really like to fight when the rubber hits the roads. They’re sneaky and dishonest and most importantly they’re afraid.
August 16th, 2005 at 4:31 pmOooh, I’m so scared!
August 16th, 2005 at 4:33 pm#33: Amen.
August 16th, 2005 at 4:34 pmi agree with those who don’t feel this is an attack on Fitzgerald. it is, however, a beginning to end re-issuance of the GOP talking points (”now law was broken” … “how could she be undercover when she was just working a desk job at the pentagon” etc.).
Senator Dole should be ashamed of himself. for all his years of patriotic service, one would think he would be sick of this Administration’s lying crap!
who is going to be the first Republican to stand on his own two feet and demend accountability from this president?
August 16th, 2005 at 4:36 pmComment by Mencken — August 16, 2005 @ 4:09 pm
You couldn’t lick his boots, asshole.
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats.
H. L. Mencken
Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under.
H. L. Mencken
The typical American of today has lost all the love of liberty, that his forefathers had, and all their disgust of emotion, and pride in self- reliance. He is led no longer by Davy Crocketts; he is led by cheer leaders, press agents, word mongers, uplifters.
H. L. Mencken
The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.
H. L. Mencken
The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it.
H. L. Mencken
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.
H. L. Mencken
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.
H. L. Mencken
The worst government is often the most moral. One composed of cynics is often very tolerant and humane. But when fanatics are on top there is no limit to oppression.
Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.
H. L. Mencken
Faith may be defined briefly as an illogical belief in the occurrence of the improbable.
August 16th, 2005 at 4:39 pm“the general strategy by the Bush white house to combat bad news has been to attack the bearer” — Krazny
If so, they learned it from the masters — the Clintons!
“Ken Starr ran a smear campaign” — Skid
Not really, he just ran an investigation and couldn’t help but get Clinton smeared in some of his own s**t… there was too much of it to contain.
August 16th, 2005 at 4:42 pmViagra man is, at least in part, trying to talk to the Jury. Dole apparently helped draft the law and concludes “our goal was to criminalize only those disclosures that clearly represented a conscious and pernicious effort to identify and expose agents with the intent to impair America’s foreign intelligence activities.” Hey jury, got that??? This was not meant to apply to republicans engaged in a vindicative smear campaign against a whistleblower who was exposing government lies.
Boy, they’re raising the bar pretty high all the sudden. How convenient. There’re worried, definitely.
August 16th, 2005 at 4:42 pmOooh, I’m so scared!
We know, and this hobgoblin isn’t imaginary.
August 16th, 2005 at 4:43 pmHow may members of the Clinton WH were indicted? Convicted?
Hint: Same number of combat deaths in Kosovo.
August 16th, 2005 at 4:45 pmAs a general rule, when four or more comments in a row are offtopic, it’s time to moveon. Get it? Offtopic? Moveon? ‘Bye kids!
August 16th, 2005 at 4:52 pm:o)
AC,
Considering that Ken Starr was to investigate Whitewater, found NOTHING and had to pursue the Monica scandal via Lucy Goldberg in order to get anything on Slick Willie, I’d call that a smear campaign.
Let me put it in words you might be able to understand. Lets say Fitz has nothing to go on in pursuit of Karl Rove, so he puts KR under oath as to whether he recieved oral sex from Jeff Gannon in the White House.
Get it now?
August 16th, 2005 at 5:00 pmAs a general rule, when four or more comments in a row are offtopic, it’s time to moveon. Get it? Offtopic? Moveon? ‘Bye kids!
:o)
Comment by Blue State Red — August 16, 2005 @ 4:52 pm
When H.L. Mencken starts to roll up his sleeves, your kind would be wise to move on. Unless you want a permanent, shit-eating, deep red grin from ear to ear
August 16th, 2005 at 5:07 pmSkid, there were plenty of convictions in Whitewater –here are the ones Starr produced:
Robert Palmer
Web Hubbell
Christopher Wade
Neal Ainley
Stephen Smith
Larry Kuca
Jim Guy Tucker
James McDougal
Susan McDougal
William Marks Sr
John Haley
Many of these were very close associates of the Clintons, which is why the Clintons came out a little smelly as a result.
August 16th, 2005 at 5:12 pmBut what did they get Bill with, AC? Monica, not Whitewater.
August 16th, 2005 at 5:13 pmAss Creep,
Try answering the question. How many members of the Clinton White House were indicted? Convicted? More than a few associates of Bush have been indicted and convicted. Some of them are even serving this administration having been indicted and convicted while working for that dead actor. You are a low level taody and you’ve got anal warts.
August 16th, 2005 at 5:16 pmEveryone seems to be spinning and ignoring the basics. The LAW….18 USC 793 and 794. Let the LAW sort out the truth. Is there a media blackout of the LAW ? Read about it (the LAW) at Citizenspook.blogspot.com
August 16th, 2005 at 5:20 pmI’m not the biggest Clinton fan either, but to elevate Starr to a level of respectibility is disingenuous at best. I am glad I voted for Clinton over Dole though.
August 16th, 2005 at 5:20 pmBill Clinton is a conservative Republican. He was the best Republican preznit we’ve had since Eisenhower.
August 16th, 2005 at 5:31 pmHey skid, we met another Bushie supporter in our Republican county today. (thats 2 now)
He did the usual spin on WMD’s and regime change.
(nice to know that another chickenhawk acknowledges that Bushie is a criminal)
He said he’s too old to enlist yet believes that (we) need to attack Iran, Syria and NOrth Korea. We explained to him that there are other ways to serve the war and he said he gives (them) money so he’s doing his part.
We told him of opportunitites with Haliburton and he declined that option.
We told him that as a civilian he can go to Iraq, nobody is stopping him . He declined that option.
We told him that the military would fix his documents to get him in. He declined that option.
The real reason he can’t go he explained…He’s in a 12 step program with AA.
Doesn’t Iraq have 12 step programs for those who have fried their brains with alcohol to the point that they need someone to tell them how to behave in steps?
Lets demand that Iraq have open AA meetings so these chickenhawks lose their last excuse.
August 16th, 2005 at 5:44 pmto skid,ac, killcon2005….can your irrelevant B.S. Nothing to do with Fitz. THE LAW 18 USC 793 & 794.
August 16th, 2005 at 5:44 pmI’m not talking about Fitz. There is no point. Nothing we can do but talk. It’s out of our hands.
August 16th, 2005 at 5:51 pmIs dement, like, short for demented?
August 16th, 2005 at 5:53 pmI’m sure it is (demented) but it may have struck the wrong key on the keyboard and meant to be cement describing his/hers brain.
August 16th, 2005 at 5:56 pmYour additudes are the reason the Bush Regime succeeds. Read the LAW and spread the news. Citizenspook.
August 16th, 2005 at 6:02 pmLast I checked, Fitz WAS holding their feet to the law, so what is your point? Isn’t that the point of this investigation? What’s your interpretation, dement? Citizenspook? Its catchy but how does it apply? Clairify?
August 16th, 2005 at 6:16 pmEnlighten us dement. Your vague comments leave me guessing and I so far cannot read minds.
August 16th, 2005 at 6:20 pmCitizenspook.blogspot.com Go to. Be Enlightened. Forgive my mispelling…attitudes.
August 16th, 2005 at 6:22 pmdement,
No matter how they parse it or wrap it in an indefensible morass of legalese, someone at the top snitched out Valerie Plame in a two-pronged attempt to punish Joe Wilson and fire a warning shot at other potential whistleblowers. It appears to be some combination of Rove and Libby. I don’t much care if their high-priced lawyers and media apologists can get them off on a technicality or spin public opinion in their favor. They are the worst kind of traitorous scum and the fact that you’d waste your keystrokes defending them makes you pretty scummy too.
August 16th, 2005 at 6:26 pmJay….Quit spewing and go to citizenspook and get informed.
August 16th, 2005 at 6:35 pmWell I read it dement. Citizenspook has a point but it comes off as too overly paranoid to gain much traction. Unfortunately its like having voted for Nader in the last two elections. We’re screwed if its true, but to carry that platform alienates oneself from being able to work within any political party towards change. The only group that would support it are those that tend to do nothing because they feel (and are correct to a higher degree)that big biz, MSMs and politicos are ALL in someone’s pocket anyway.
August 16th, 2005 at 7:11 pmNo offense, but if you can figure out a way to get a majority of Americans to believe this and want to do something about it, then I’ll truly consider it over the present course of action.
What course of action might that be, skid?
August 16th, 2005 at 7:36 pmKeep pressing the issue, talk about it, write your papers and their editors, protest, make signs, whatever it takes. Pray if you feel it would work, just don’t give in or up.
August 16th, 2005 at 7:42 pmdement,
My apologies, I had no idea what your point was but after reading your “about me” I stand corrected. Seemed that you were just fishing for some traffic….
Of course I’m much more apt to believe Elizabeth de la Vega who is:
Elizabeth de la Vega has recently retired after serving more than 20 years as a federal prosecutor in Minneapolis and San Jose.
Elizabeth argues very persuasively (in fact she lays out the case) for prosecuting on EXACTLY the IIPA. Maybe you should read it, get more inforfmed and get back to me.
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0812-22.htm
August 16th, 2005 at 7:46 pmYou sure read fast skid. What do you think of the relevance of the Regimes switch from “GWOT” to “GSAVE”?
August 16th, 2005 at 7:49 pmDon’t read “about me” Jay, read citizenspook.
August 16th, 2005 at 7:53 pmRandi Rhodes kicked the shi* out of them for their decision to change their marketing term to “struggle against violent extremism.” She was spot on.
August 16th, 2005 at 7:54 pmBefore I read it, can you tell me what the deal is with the “spooky” name. I just got the kids to bed and I only have so much time to dedicate to reading every night. No mysteries. What’s the deal with the site in a nutshell. Thanks.
August 16th, 2005 at 7:56 pmThe leaker(s) face the death penalty for treason under 18 USC 794 during “time of war”. Hence the administrations shift from the term Global WAR on Terror. Read citizenspook. 18 USC 793 & 794 is the controlling law. IIPA is irrelevant. UNITED STATES CODE………the LAW.
August 16th, 2005 at 8:02 pmCONCERNS THAT BUSH IS “LOSING IT”
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/ artman/ publish/ article_7218.shtml
“Buy beleaguered, overworked White House aides enough drinks and they tell a sordid tale of an administration under siege, beset by bitter staff infighting and led by a man whose mood swings suggest paranoia bordering on schizophrenia. They describe a President whose public persona masks an angry, obscenity-spouting man who berates staff, unleashes tirades against those who disagree with him and ends meetings in the Oval Office with ‘Get out of here!’
In fact, George W. Bush’s mood swings have become so drastic that White House emails often contain ‘weather reports’ to warn of the President’s demeanor. ‘Calm seas’ means Bush is calm while ‘tornado alert’ is a warning that he is pissed at the world. Decreasing job approval ratings and increased criticism within his own party drives the President’s paranoia even higher. Bush, in a meeting with senior advisors, called Senator Majority Leader Bill Frist a ‘god-damned traitor’ for opposing him on stem-cell research. ‘There’s real concern in the West Wing that the President is losing it,’ a high-level aide told me recently.
‘I was really very unsettled by him and I started watching everything he did and reading what he wrote and watching him on videotape. I felt he was disturbed,’ (psychiatrist) Dr. Justin Frank said. ‘He fits the profile of a former drinker whose alcoholism has been arrested but not treated.’ Dr. Frank’s conclusions have been praised by other prominent psychiatrists, including Dr. James Grotstein, Professor at UCLA Medical Center, and Dr. Irvin Yalom, MD, Professor Emeritus at Stanford University Medical School.”
August 16th, 2005 at 8:07 pmI love it. This I will print and read for sure. Can you confirm that this is known in CIA circles or that the change from “war” to “struggle” was in fact related to this and not just PR?
OK, I’m going there next.
August 16th, 2005 at 8:08 pmThe deal with the site is TRUTH. Read it when you have time. I don’t have a clue what the name is about but it’s content is profound.
August 16th, 2005 at 8:10 pmGWOT into GSAVE is a miserable excuse for a marketing shift, becoming more encompassing in those swept up under its terminology. No longer having to be an actual terrorist, one could simply counter violence with violence and be branded an extremist. As I said, its likely just a poor marketing strategy aimmed at the oblvious, but its conotations are disturbing none the less.
August 16th, 2005 at 8:11 pmJust printed it off and will read tonight.
TAC, that “Bush going off the deep end” piece is a reprint of a story from before the election and if he didn’t completely crack up while Kerry rubbed his nose in his complete lack of intellectual substance during the debates…I doubt he’ll lose it now that he’s ahem….”won” a second term.
August 16th, 2005 at 8:15 pmDemented,
Didn’t I see citizenspook hanging out at Tom Flocco’s site?
August 16th, 2005 at 8:29 pm#74…are you fat?
August 16th, 2005 at 8:43 pmHow rude of me Porky. Please forgive my impulsiveness.
August 16th, 2005 at 8:48 pmrepublican talking points.republican talking points.republican talking points.republican talking points.republican talking points.republican talking points.republican talking points.republican talking points.republican talking points.republican talking points.
August 16th, 2005 at 9:12 pmI have a friend who can help your studdering.
August 16th, 2005 at 9:22 pmstuttering.
August 16th, 2005 at 9:25 pmdement,
I looked at spooky’s 18 USC 794(b) and it seems that the “intent” would be the difficult part to prove. If they can’t prove intent for an IIPA case I don’t see how they’d be able to do same here. Here is the pertinent section. Let the goodf folks here at TPro decide:
(b) Whoever, in time of war, with intent that the same shall be communicated to the enemy, collects, records, publishes, or communicates, or attempts to elicit any information with respect to the movement, numbers, description, condition, or disposition of any of the Armed Forces, ships, aircraft, or war materials of the United States, or with respect to the plans or conduct, or supposed plans or conduct of any naval or military operations, or with respect to any works or measures undertaken for or connected with, or intended for the fortification or defense of any place, or any other information relating to the public defense, which might be useful to the enemy, shall be punished by death or by imprisonment for any term of years or for life.
August 16th, 2005 at 9:34 pmThe DD/TT’s are hell.
August 16th, 2005 at 9:38 pmWhile Rover and the boys certainly intended to slime Wilson and hush other potential truthtellers, I don’t think Fitzgerald would be able to prove that it was done with intent to hurt our military or defense efforts. That may have been a consequence, but again the “intent” to do so is probably not provable. Perjury sure, obstruction of justice, absolutely.
August 16th, 2005 at 9:40 pmJay….further on citizenspook writes “The Bush Administration most fears 794(b). It simply requires the perpetraitors to be cognizant that the “information” being “communicated” “might be useful to the enemy”. Enemy read terrorists.
But the QUESTION in my mind is why there is NO MENTION of any of this in the main stream media? Has the LAW BEEN FORGOTTEN?
August 16th, 2005 at 10:06 pmWell, I just read:
(b) Whoever, in time of war, with intent that the same shall be communicated to the enemy, collects, records, publishes, or communicates, or attempts to elicit any information with respect to the movement, numbers, description, condition, or disposition of any of the Armed Forces, ships, aircraft, or war materials of the United States, or with respect to the plans or conduct, or supposed plans or conduct of any naval or military operations, or with respect to any works or measures undertaken for or connected with, or intended for the fortification or defense of any place, or any other information relating to the public defense, which might be useful to the enemy, shall be punished by death or by imprisonment for any term of years or for life.
And it looks pretty freaking cut and dry to me. There was intent and the information DID help the enemy. If anybody here doesn’t think that a millino and one assests and leads are lost because of it and are being covered up, has to be one of their lackies.
Now we all know that the problem is the last part of the last sentence:
“…shall be punished by death or by imprisonment for any term of years or for life.”
So, any term of years can be anywhere from 365 days to life.
These scumbags will walk with very short sentences, served in camp snoop. That is the part that drives me up the wall. The loopholes in every single part of our legal system.
August 16th, 2005 at 10:35 pmFor all of the above:
I met you all several years ago when I traveled I5 in California and had nothing to keep me awake but the CB radio. I bet 90% of you have commercial Drivers Licenses. Quit stroking each other and do some thing constructive to get the bastards impeached!
Ten Four Good Buddies!
August 16th, 2005 at 10:46 pmPersonally, I work at a large technology company, as a PR person. Can’t you tell by my soft soothing tone?
August 16th, 2005 at 11:02 pmThe following are the relevant CitizenSpook postings
http://citizenspook.blogspot.com/ 2005/ 07/ treasongate-controlling-law-big.html
August 16th, 2005 at 11:40 pmhttp://citizenspook.blogspot.com/ 2005/ 08/ treasongate-controlling-law-part-2.html
http://citizenspook.blogspot.com/ 2005/ 08/ treasongate-us-attorney-generals.html
http://citizenspook.blogspot.com/ 2005/ 08/ treasongate-federal-grand-jury-fourth.html
#73 Jay
August 17th, 2005 at 12:17 amJust because these comments are a year old, doesn’t negate them. The reprint (Houston Chronicle) clearly stated its date of origin.
#73 Jay and #88 Marie,
Did you see Bush during the ‘04 debates? He definitely looked like he was on something or having some kind of schism going on, to me. When I was in school, I used to see whackos act like that. Bush was participating in a presidential debate and he was so amped up, he couldn’t stay behind his podium. He was all jumpy like a tweaker. He had mood swings from happy to mad in seconds.
The information in still relevent even if it is “old.”
August 17th, 2005 at 12:56 amMarie and SpudgeBoy, when I read that article about Bush’s impending crackup I was rubbing my hands together and thinking “so this is how it will end”…and here we are a year later. Another successfully stolen election, almost 2000 dead American soldiers (and probably many more than that), Bolton to the UN, a Supreme Court appointment and another likely on the way, massive debt, highest gas prices ever and an invasion of Iran looming.
All I’m saying is we shouldn’t get too excited about Bush losing his marbles. All he has to do is read what they put in front of him, pretend to give a fvck and go on vacation. It’s interesting to hear that he may be on the fast track to the funny farm but I’d rather he was on the fast track to prison or death row. Thing is the public has to force it to happen.
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August 17th, 2005 at 10:48 amCheck out yuricareport.com. She’s got an article that looks at citizenspooks stuff.
Fitzgerald will takes this to the top ie. Bush.
Look for threats on his family and other garbage spewing from right wing hate machine. Nixon had it easy compared to Bush.
August 17th, 2005 at 1:30 pm“Murray Waas reported for the Village Voice over the weekend that the behavior of John Ashcroft in the investigation had been under serious scrutiny within the Department of Justice, and that he was apparently being briefed on the particulars of the investigation - including possibly early questions about Rove’s truthfulness. This possibility raises fresh questions, as Rove’s relationship with Ashcroft goes back more than a decade. Indeed, Rove himself was reportedly instrumental in the original nomination of Ashcroft for Attorney General. Two Democratic Members have now written to the Inspector General of the Department of Justice demanding an immediate internal investigation:
As the Ranking Member of the Committee on the Judiciary and a Member of the Committee on Appropriations, both of which have oversight jurisdiction over the U.S. Department of Justice, we write to request that your Office immediately investigate whether then-Attorney General John D. Ashcroft violated explicit rules on conflicts of interest when he failed to recuse himself from, and in fact was briefed on, the CIA name leak investigation despite his personal connection to Karl Rove, a person of interest to investigators.”
August 17th, 2005 at 3:07 pmThank you Anon. Thank you for making it easier. I’m a bit of a rookie with the computer.
August 17th, 2005 at 5:00 pmYurica Report. Hmmmmm? Citizen Spook has hit the big time. Way to go Citizen Spook.
August 17th, 2005 at 5:22 pmWhile it will be months until we know the final results of Patrick Fitzgerald’s PlameGate investigation, there is one thing we can conclude with certainty. Finally, President George W. Bush is being punished for his “Politics of Payback”. After five years of savage and baseless attacks on the likes of Richard Clarke, General Eric Shinseki, Paul O’Neill, Jim Jeffords, and Richard Foster, the small, mean-spirited, venal and vengeful George W. Bush is paying the price…
For the full story, see:
“Blowback: Bush, Plame and the Politics of Payback.”
October 24th, 2005 at 12:01 pmThe Banana Republicans: Criminalizing Crime.
October 24th, 2005 at 12:02 pmFree Sprint Ringtones
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December 22nd, 2005 at 11:58 pmelton john
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December 27th, 2005 at 12:48 pm