O’Reilly Has Two Faces
By on Aug 18th, 2005 at 12:55 pm
O’Reilly Has Two Faces
Wednesday night, Fox News talking head Bill O’Reilly demanded retractions from newspapers which reported he’d implied American war veteran mother Cindy Sheehan was acting in a treasonous manner, indignantly saying:
That is absolutely false. I never said or implied Ms. Sheehan was treasonous. LISTEN HERE
Unfortunately for him, Mr. O’Reilly may not have counted on the fact that his statement about Ms. Sheehan was recorded :
I think Mrs. Sheehan bears some responsibility for this [publicity] and also for the responsibility for the other American families who lost sons and daughters in Iraq who feel this kind of behavior borders on treasonous. LISTEN HERE
As they say, we report, you decide.
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He didn’t say HE thought so. He was channeling the thoughts of hypothetical others ;)
August 18th, 2005 at 1:05 pm…
August 18th, 2005 at 1:08 pmWoW! What a Genius! Doesn’t he have people to stop him from putting his Foot in his Mouth??
The phrase, “People say,” or “Some people have said,” get a LOT of play on Fox ~News~, because it allows a supposed reporter to opine without declaring the piece an editorial. Britt Hume is a real maestro at this. If you can stomache it, watch a week’s worth of his interviews and Q&A sessions to see what I’m talking about.
August 18th, 2005 at 1:10 pmHe is so over. Even his tens of fans are not listening now.
August 18th, 2005 at 1:11 pmAll Americans are bordering on Treason, if we continue to allow our country to be manipulated by the Neo-Cons.
Stop the Treason!
You know what the Bush Regime is doing is completely against our constitution.
Speak Out! Stand Up! Let your voices be heard!!
August 18th, 2005 at 1:13 pmMaybe he doesn’t have two faces… maybe he has two personalities!
August 18th, 2005 at 1:16 pmWell, actually he said that other American families who have lost sons and daughter feel her behavior “. . . borders on treasonous.” I’m sure in his pea brain, that’s not actually saying that her behavior is treasonous. Of course, he fails to realize that it’s similiar to saying that so and so sure looks gay. . . . the implication is clean without actually saying they are what you are implying.
This low life just loves the attention…and he and the other lapdog “TV personalities” will do anything to stay in the limelight and appear to be upset that their character is being attacked. Such a fraud.
August 18th, 2005 at 1:18 pmMy bad, he said others DO feel she is treasonous. So he just needs to bring forward these military families, ask them to call her a traitor, and that will prove he did not lie.
Don’t give up, Bill! Ask every military family who lost a loved one in Iraq to call Cindy a traitor. Don’t stop until they comply!
August 18th, 2005 at 1:24 pmOops, borders on treasonous. My bad again. This is why I could never be a Republican. I’m not smart enough to catch on to the subtleties of what I like to call, “that which is technically true if you say it just right.”
August 18th, 2005 at 1:26 pmonly TWO…?
August 18th, 2005 at 1:35 pmDoes anyone at Think Progress ever check the email at the address provided on the Contact page, or check the messages submitted on the contact form there?
Is there any way to contact the author or editor other than the comment sections? I’ve sent a number of messages with no response or acknowledgement.
August 18th, 2005 at 1:35 pmAnother LIAR in a long list of LIARS. Bush, Rove, Cheney, Libby…
August 18th, 2005 at 1:38 pmHey, Laszlo Panaflex, what’s on your mind? send to charvey@americanprogressaction.org and i’ll check it out. sorry if your messages haven’t been coming through. –cnh
August 18th, 2005 at 1:39 pmi see you’ve seen Outfoxed Jeb. great movie. people need to just ignore scumbags like malkin,orielly,hannity, etc. the more fucked up this country becomes under republicans,the more out of touch they look with their blind,sheep-like support of this pathetic administration.
August 18th, 2005 at 1:41 pmOkay, I’ve decided.
After reading public statements by other memebers of the Sheehan family, as well as comments by others KIA families (see, e.g., http://www.msnbc.msn.com and http://www.opinionjournal.com) – all of whom have “absolute moral authority” according to Maurteen Dowd – I have decided that many KIA families definitely are disgusted by Cindy Sheehan’s behaviour, and a few likely think her conduct “borders on treasonous.”
Next Question?
August 18th, 2005 at 1:44 pmAh, the many lies of George “MonkeyBoy” Bush and his legions of Greedy Old Parasitic Christian faithful…
Randy Rhodes put it pretty well yesterday when she said something to the effect that spuds and Bush both have eyes, but neither can see. Add to this the apologists from the MSM. Idiots. All of them.
August 18th, 2005 at 1:46 pm#14
here’s the next question:
What makes you think that anyone here gives a big rat’s ass about what you have decided on this topic one way or the other? Or, here’s an even better question: What makes you think?
August 18th, 2005 at 1:48 pmMonkey Boy alert: Blue balls
I have been guilty of engaging this idiot for too long. Perhaps skipping his rants are for the best.
August 18th, 2005 at 1:50 pmGo ahead BS. Call her a traitor. Free speech and free assembly are considered treasonous acts. I’m just waiting for Republicans to say it out loud. You should feel comfortable enough in your majority opinion.
August 18th, 2005 at 1:51 pmI keep asking for facts. All I get are insults, profanity, and changes of subject. If the left can’t win a simple debate on the ‘net, how will it ever win an election?
August 18th, 2005 at 1:54 pm“WoW! What a Genius! Doesn’t he have people to stop him from putting his Foot in his Mouth?? ”
It’s not his fault. He just reads the cue cards.
August 18th, 2005 at 1:55 pmBottom line: The right-wing radicals are infuriated by free speech. Last week, Rush Limbaugh said:
“Wouldn’t it be great if anybody who speaks out against this country, to kick them out of the country? Anybody that threatens this country, kick ‘em out. We’d get rid of Michael Moore, we’d get rid of half the Democratic Party if we would just import that law. That would be fabulous. The Supreme Court ought to look into this. Absolutely brilliant idea out there.”
I think that says it all about respect for the First Amendment.
August 18th, 2005 at 1:57 pmMonkey Boy/Blue balls
WE ARE NOT POSTING FOR YOUR BENEFIT. WE ARE NOT HERE FOR YOU TO GET PRACTICE. WE REALLY DO NOT CARE FOR YOU.
August 18th, 2005 at 1:57 pm#19 is indeed a revealing and disturbing look into the hive-mind of the republican drones. The truth will out.
August 18th, 2005 at 1:58 pmHere’s a good question for all you right-wing christians: “What ever happenned to separation of CHURCH and STATE?”
August 18th, 2005 at 2:00 pmMONKEY BOY ALERT: BLUE STATE
HE IS A COLLEGE REPUBLICAN TRYING OUT HIS ARGUMENTS HE LEARNED AT GROVER’S SUMMER “HOW TO BE A TRAITOR” SEMINAR.
August 18th, 2005 at 2:02 pmOkay, I’ll play.
Tax dollars for Armstrong Williams to tout administration policies, bad. Tax dollars for PBS to attack administration policies, also bad. Robbing tax dollars from inner city kids and poor Alzheimers’ patients to pay Air America’s bills, even worse.
The left has no chance unless the game is rigged – and even then it loses.
August 18th, 2005 at 2:10 pmNo, wait — let’s discuss the wicked irony of Armstrong Williams actually coming out and TRASHING the Iraq war, now that he’s no longer taking bag-money from Team Dubbya.
August 18th, 2005 at 2:14 pm#33
August 18th, 2005 at 2:16 pmdoes rush limbaugh really make you go hmmmmm…er?
smftt.
August 18th, 2005 at 2:19 pmhonesty is a good first step on the road to mental health. Keep going.
August 18th, 2005 at 2:19 pm“To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead…” – Thomas Paine
August 18th, 2005 at 2:21 pmI guess no one has an answer for #28…
August 18th, 2005 at 2:22 pmI wasn’t on O’Reilly so maybe you didn’t hear me: “It looks like women will be worse off in Iraq than they were when Saddam Hussein was president of Iraq.” I said it three times, and I meant it.
August 18th, 2005 at 2:23 pmWell said, #41, like a true supporter of the French Revolution.
August 18th, 2005 at 2:25 pmBlue State Red,
Here are some important facts that you fail to comprehend. We don’t want to debate you. We don’t want to discuss topics with you. We don’t care if you understand our position. We don’t care if you like us. We don’t like you. You are a joke and a traitor to your country, making you the enemy.
Go away already.
August 18th, 2005 at 2:40 pmWhy are you morons schilling for this wack-job? She’s a liar and exploiting her son’s death. The left continues to amaze me in their pathetic attempt to stop the war.
Sheehan was against the Afghani war – it’s obvious she hates democracy.
August 18th, 2005 at 2:41 pmWe owe the French an apology. We owe our independence to them. 1776 and 1812
They repeatedly warned us about 9/11 and tried to keep us from attacking Iraq.
“What do they want this horde of slaves
August 18th, 2005 at 2:43 pmOf traitors and conspiratorial kings?
For whom these vile chains
These long-prepared irons?
Frenchmen, for us, ah! What outrage
What methods must be taken?
It is we they dare plan
To return to the old slavery!”
I submit that BSR is not the enemy. The worst thing you guys can do is close your minds to opposing thought and information from alternative news sources. Do that and this forum becomes an echo chamber for the angry left. And THAT is not going to win any new friends over for the next election.
BSR is actually providing a service: helping you understand the right — beyond the “fascist” stereotype so many of you harbor.
August 18th, 2005 at 2:48 pm#47 – we should start by having Pres. Clinton, Warren Christopher and Madeline Albright apologize for their negligence in the late 90s.
I love how the left tries to blame 9/11 on Bush when everyone else knows it was Clinton who paid terror no mind.
August 18th, 2005 at 2:49 pmHey MisterB, I’ve got a mint WWII French rifle for sale. Never used. Just a couple of scratches from being thrown to the ground once.
August 18th, 2005 at 2:50 pmCC
Page up and look at the rants, then get back to me about understanding and stereotypes, eh?
August 18th, 2005 at 2:51 pmBecause you guys are Facists. You are the enemy. I hope you get run over by a truck and taste your own blood. DIe, die, die.
August 18th, 2005 at 2:51 pm#46
Right On! God forbid these godless lefties should stop this holy war on terror we started. I just know that any day now we’re gonna find a big cache of WMD’s, and Osama bin Laden will be sitting right on top of them. What? Me go and fight the noble fight in Iraq and soon-to-be points east? Er, uh, I’d truly love to, truly truly, but I’d better stay back here and defend the homeland from this secure bunker in my mother’s basement with the puter she bought me for christmas. Yeah, that’s what I should do. But I’m sure over there in spirit, I can tell you!
August 18th, 2005 at 2:53 pmUnfortunately, this post is becoming a viral bleed out for the connies.
August 18th, 2005 at 2:53 pmYet another ,a href=”http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/000195.htm”>Bill O’Reilly VideoGate.
August 18th, 2005 at 2:54 pm#53 – right on! In a free country without a draft, you can actually choose whether or not you want to fight in war. Unfortunately, you cannot stop your mother from diminishing your two tour of duties so she can make her name for herself and denigrate the country you died defending.
August 18th, 2005 at 2:56 pmI saw a very funny opinion piece over at The Cunning Realist blog, called Tall Trees. He basically discusses one of Rush Limbaughs rants about being able to kick “treasonous” Americans out of the country a la Brittain’s new policy reguarding immigrants who advocate hate/violence. Essentially by the end of the piece (Rush’s), he states he wants to exhile Michael Moore and half the Democratic Party (note to rush: it’d be more like 75%+ of the democratic party). I bring this up because it is in a similar vein w/ the O’Riley mindset.
Why is it that those who burst blood vessels in outrage over the actions of fellow americans, think they have sole pervayance of a “correct” point of view? When did the MSM start humoring these people to play int their warped egos and twisted psychies? How come the hard right doesn’t see that their actions are closer to totalitarian (I didn’t say nazi, I’ll just let you think it) government where there is no freedom, no individual liberty? And with these points of referance how could these people think they represent democracy in any fashion?
Delusion of self knows no party, doesn’t distinguish between the sexes, classes or lifestyle.
I have no doubt some of you have thought I was deluded here, and you might very well be correct. But I’m not going to get onto TV and voice my delusions. Instead, I’ll use the blog soapbox.
Still makes me wonder why nobody is willing to tell these overpaid buffoons what tyrants they’ve become.
August 18th, 2005 at 2:56 pmI don’t try and convince my dog to be cat. Its just silly to try. Some people still believe that Hitler was a jolly fellow that loved dogs and was a vegetarian. While that may be true, they comepletely fail to see what else he was. I truly don’t care about the hard core conservatives. They can (and likely will) go straight to hell. Just like the Germans that still love Hitler. (replace Hitler with any other 20th century dictator if it makes you feel better.)
So, I really could give two-shits about what any of these weirdo, scatologists think. I believe in Liberty and Life and that those that share my beliefs will triumph. We always have, always will.
August 18th, 2005 at 2:59 pm#50
August 18th, 2005 at 3:00 pmwhy dont you load that rifle, put the barrel in your mouth (don’t forget to remove your foot first) and pull the trigger?
For the love of pete, can’t these chickenhawks go post elsewhere? Is there not an outlet on the rightwing blogs? Did I really served 8 years for these chickenshits?
August 18th, 2005 at 3:01 pmCitizen, not sure which rants you are referring to — I didn’t see anything from BSR that seems fascist.
August 18th, 2005 at 3:03 pmCC
Forget about fascist, look at the child like scrawls for post after post.
August 18th, 2005 at 3:05 pmCitizen80203 – Yes Brother. I served too.
Thing about these creeps is, they shout crap at people and expect them just to sit there and take it, take it, take it. When someone with balls stands up and belts them in the mouth, they cringe like cowards in total shock. Its like they never consider the cosequences of their foolish mouthings. They have no concept of the real world. They say bomb them arabs! They don’t know what blood looks like up close. I pity them and their children.
August 18th, 2005 at 3:06 pm#59 — why don’t you learn french, moron. It’s “frites”.
Citizen, I thank you for your service. Sincerely.
August 18th, 2005 at 3:06 pmIf anyone, Democrat or Republican think our troops will be drawn down soon, you’re absolute idiots.
(a) We have permanent bases there, and in private, no Iraqi political leader objects to them. They’ll take an insurgency any day, as long as the U.S. military protects them from a military coup d’etat.
(b) Pentagon has no plans to allow Iraqis to buy tanks or aircraft. Until they do that, it’s gonna be our boys there in those tanks. Suits the Iraqi politicians fine as well – they get protection from internal & external threats without risking lives.
Until we keep asking the Pentagon about the bases and the Iraqi future defense plans, they don’t have to talk about it.
August 18th, 2005 at 3:07 pm#62 Citizen, I think someone stole BSR’s moniker — happened on another thread earlier…
August 18th, 2005 at 3:07 pm#56
August 18th, 2005 at 3:10 pmSo you have chosen talk instead of action in this war on terror? There’s a shock. Agree or disagree with Cindy Sheehan, at least she is willing to put herself in the line of fire, unlike cowards like you.
CC
I served for my country, not for kudos. But thank you none the less. Did you read those posts? What are are we to make of them?
August 18th, 2005 at 3:10 pmCC
You can’t use the same exact handle. It was his/her rants.
August 18th, 2005 at 3:12 pmYes, as they say, we report, you decide. Here is a post from Jason, at http://www.warriorsvoice.blogspot.com, as he prepares to return to Iraq – just as Casey Sheehan once did:
“As I near the date I am to return to Iraq I can’t help but listen at amazement of these people on the left. Of course it is not all on the left. There are many who believe that since we are there we need to do the right thing and finish the job. However, there are those on the left, who I believe, want more troops to die so they can say ’see I told you’. It is as if they are on the same side of the terrorists. Of course, I don’t believe they agree with the terrorists action, although there are various groups who compare terrorists to the minute men of the American revolution. However, they have one goal and it is for the United States to lose the war in Iraq and the War on Terror. I’m sorry for Cindy Sheehan’s loss but she is doing nothing but taking the honor away from that young man. If she was my mother I would be embarrassed and ashamed. She has the right to be upset just as the mothers of WWII had the right to be upset at their loss. Either way you look at it the ‘Peace Protestors’ and the terrorists have one goal. That goal it to get the United States out of Iraq and Afghanistan and Israel out of ‘Palestine’. They may not have the same mission, but their end state is almost the same.”
Like it or not, that’s how our military men and women view the left, not as supporters but as aiders and comforters (unwitting or not) of the terrorist enemy. Red state voters know this, which is why they will continue to choose their support for the military over any misgivings about the war.
Whether she means to or not, Cindy Sheehan brings this issue into sharp focus. As more attention is given to her crazy statements (For example: “We are waging a nuclear war in Iraq right now. That country is contaminated. It will be contaminated for practically eternity now.”), her protest actually hurts the left far more than it helps with the people who actually decide elections in America.
August 18th, 2005 at 3:17 pmThen I guess BSR has at least 2 personalities.
I still think it’s two people. Look at 30 and 32 — he’s correcting himself? Also half the posts have correct grammar and puncuation and half are semi-literate.
August 18th, 2005 at 3:17 pmCC
Try doing a search for “pomme frits”, rectal polyp. That’s what is such a gas about conservatives like you; they can only comprehend the world in a very narrow range.
August 18th, 2005 at 3:21 pmKeep it up, BSR. You and your ilk are about to get a bloody nose.
August 18th, 2005 at 3:22 pmSheehan is alienating her own family to curry favor with the lying left. So sad.
August 18th, 2005 at 3:26 pmPF, that’s what is such a gas about “progressives” like you: accuracy is not important as long as it serves your purpose.
August 18th, 2005 at 3:26 pmWell, I asked a question that not one of the ring-wing christians could answer… “What ever happend to separation of CHURCH and STATE?” I guess they all would rather fling insults than answer the question.
August 18th, 2005 at 3:28 pmUseing reason and logic, which I know is quite difficult for you DilEnema, explain how Cindy Sheehan is treasonous, while not quoting Billy O or Rushama Oxy Cotin.
August 18th, 2005 at 3:32 pmWho said I was a progressive? I’m most definitely not. Wrong again, bugwit. I just like to amuse myself at the expense of piss-brains like you. Hang around, dimbulb. With the country so screwed up we can use all the laughs that clowns like you provide.
August 18th, 2005 at 3:33 pmMack, if you want to see insults being flung by your own just read 77.
Citizen, somebody just posted as me so it can be done.
Out of here for now. Too juvenile.
– Real CC
August 18th, 2005 at 3:34 pm#80
Mack, if you want to see insults being flung by your own just read 77.
Citizen, somebody just posted as me so it can be done.
Out of here for now. Too juvenile.
– Real CC
Comment by Concerned Conservative — August 18, 2005 @ 3:34 pm
another conservatve pussy runs back behind his papa’s skirts…mission accomplished!
August 18th, 2005 at 3:38 pmLose most of your fighting-aged men between WWI and WWII like the French and see how effective your military will be. No wonder the French snub Americans, with an ignorant attitude like that.
Jerk.
August 18th, 2005 at 3:38 pmCC… you avoided answering the question and just took one last fling of mud. What a joke.
August 18th, 2005 at 3:39 pmWant to hear a good joke?
“Think Progress is a project of The American Progress Action Fund. The American Progress Action Fund is a nonpartisan organization. With the blog, APAF seeks to provide a forum that advances progressive ideas and policies.”
LOLROFLMAO! So far all this site has accomplished is to collect all the left’s tired old vulgarisms in one place. Short on facts, long on profanity, it’s the sound of one unwashed hand clapping badly.
August 18th, 2005 at 3:40 pmYep, O’Reilly, Limbaugh, Horowitz, Coulter and the gang are really becoming unhinged over this one. Limbaugh actually claimed the other day that Sheehan ‘made it all up’ (impling perhaps that her son is alive and well and hiding out somewhere?), and Horowitz claimed just last night in his sputtering, bizarre way that Sheehan has no respect for her son’s life. Yes, these folks sure have claimed the high moral ground.
related rant: hairytruth.blogspot.com
August 18th, 2005 at 3:41 pmThis blog is increasingly getting like the old drudge.com (a take off of drudge report that let people comment).
What’s up with you people? Is this how you treat people in REAL life? Maybe it’s time to grow up.
Either that or the management here is gonna have to start taking a page out of dailykos and bonking idiots who do nothing but throw shit.
August 18th, 2005 at 3:44 pm#86 – the only people unhinged on Sheehan are people like you. Conservatives laugh and mock her. She is a liar and we use her like we used Michael Moore to attack Democrats as hate America zealots in the next election. Personally, I can’t wait to beat you guys again. Time to pay up for your lies, asshole!
August 18th, 2005 at 3:45 pmgoo goo i eat poop
August 18th, 2005 at 3:46 pm#70 BSR,
Sorry, but that is one of the most ignorant posts yet. I’ll support the troops while still being able to point out the ignorance of soldiers such as the one you quoted. Serving does not protect oneself from being called on one’s lack of understanding of the situation at hand.
August 18th, 2005 at 3:46 pm[...] (via thinkprogress.com) [...]
August 18th, 2005 at 3:48 pm#85
If this site is so terrible why do you still hang around here, like a doggie ditto-head sniffing Rush’s crotch? If you dont like it here, why dont you fukk off?
August 18th, 2005 at 3:50 pmActually, I hope you don’t, as I get most of my biggest laffs from you wingers who can’t help returning here again and again. And what is with this neocon obsession with profanity? Chimpie George uses it all the time, allegedly. Stop being so scared of words and step closer to the plate.
#90 DilEnema,
Right. They aren’t coming unhinged, that’s why they spout that bull. That’s why you are here acting like a baby constantly. You fool no one.
August 18th, 2005 at 3:51 pmName: Duncan Hilder
August 18th, 2005 at 3:52 pmAge:15
Sex:?
Occupation: Student/ neo-con politico poo flinging monkey
Address: 1503 Strom Thurman St. Columbus Oh.
Telephone: unlisted
Hobbies: internet porn. pissing off librals. Fantasizing about Karl.
#95 – but, it’s mature to post moronic comments in my name like #91. Stop drinking the kool-aid please.
August 18th, 2005 at 3:52 pmDear God please help us.
We are heading for a financial collapse with soaring oil prices. We are involved in a war that has stretched our once excellent military to the breaking point. Global warming continues at an alarming pace regardless of denial. Our own elections are suspect. Corporate corruption is getting worse. And we have no advocates of truth in the MSM. O’Reilly’s face is cracking open wider which each lie. Then we have monkey boys posting here ignoring all the above. Maybe it is all Intelligent Design, but whose?
August 18th, 2005 at 3:54 pmrepublican talking points.cant think for myself.republican talking points.cant think for myself.republican talking points.cant think for myself.republican talking points.cant think for myself.republican talking points.cant think for myself.republican talking points.cant think for myself. .
August 18th, 2005 at 3:55 pmJeff gannon is sexy as hell. i love white house press plants. f*ck the constitution.
August 18th, 2005 at 3:56 pmNortheast Enema,
Please tell us how you happen to be acquainted with Mrs. Sheehan’s family, how you know the left is lying, and what is she doing to curry favor. I thought you got your CB radio stuck in some uncomfortable spot and decided not to bless us with your depth of perception.
August 18th, 2005 at 3:56 pmi just told you, i dont think for myself, i simply listen to Rush, Fox, Hannity, etc. and recycle their talking points like they are my own.
August 18th, 2005 at 3:58 pmignorance is bliss and im so f*cking blissful.f*ck stem cell research.
August 18th, 2005 at 3:59 pmWant to help Al Franken find Evan Montvel-Cohen? Go to http://www.townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/ for helpful leads and information. Then you can go help O.J. find Nicole’s murderer.
August 18th, 2005 at 3:59 pmA few serious questions here:
Northeast Dilemma
August 18th, 2005 at 4:00 pmIf you are so against this site why do you come here time and again? What do you hope to accomplish, since no one here seems interested in your opinions? Are you just being spiteful? I don’t agree with the bulk of the progressive thoughts here, but I listen to what they have to say, and I chose not to taunt them. Why do you?
I dont talk directly to Hessians (neo-cons)anymore.
They are slime. They dont want to discuss anything.
Distract, Divide, Destroy is their motto. Do as thou wilt, they say.
They are the enemy. they are beneath my contempt.
August 18th, 2005 at 4:00 pmNeD- I now realize it may be difficult for you to understand the concepts of “free press” and “freedom to assemble” to name a few, but Ms. Sheehan is a grieving mother that wants to prevent other parents from sffering the lose of children for an unjust and illegal war. How dare she oppose this administration–sorry, we who think for ourselves can’t sit idly by while the country is pillaged and abused by your leaders. P.S. Got Osama?
August 18th, 2005 at 4:01 pmWhat does not kill me makes me stronger.
August 18th, 2005 at 4:04 pmso what if Bush used family connections to get out of Vietnam then later in life became a chicken-hawk. he had a lot of coke and alcohol to do..
August 18th, 2005 at 4:07 pmwe are ALL chicken hawks, none of us conservatives actually serve in the military, we just laugh as we send your poor to go die.HAHAHAHAHA
August 18th, 2005 at 4:08 pmIf Mrs. Sheehan wants to save other parents from “sffering the lose of children” she should be protesting the terrorism in Iraq that killed her son. I’m sure Zarqawi would be glad to meet with her. But that might not be a good idea. She might lose her head.
August 18th, 2005 at 4:08 pmall Arabs are “terrorists”. they are all the same to me and my conservative buddys. im so friggin smart you know?
August 18th, 2005 at 4:09 pmjeff gannon rules.
August 18th, 2005 at 4:09 pmSo the big, tough guy (as he likes to remind his audience every week or so)is claiming now to having been misquoted? And he was being so “fair and balanced” in his chicken-shit attack on Ms. Sheehan.
August 18th, 2005 at 4:13 pm#105 – I am just being spiteful and pointing out that you can’t win elections.
August 18th, 2005 at 4:44 pmDon’t know if you guys saw the latest on Cindy’s vigil:
“Just a mile from President George Bush’s Texas ranch, America’s favorite protest-mom, Cindy Sheehan, today got a surprise visit from Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young, Country Joe McDonald and several members of Sly and the Family Stone.
The impromptu Woodstock reunion was sponsored by the Democrat National Committee and Coca-Cola, after Mrs. Sheehan, whose son died defending freedom in Iraq, told a phalanx of reporters, “I’d like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony.”
In related news, the grieving woman’s agent said that tonight’s vigil will include an appearance by Sen. John Kerry, D-MA, who will throw her son’s military medals over the fence at the Bush ranch.
Actress Jane Fonda was also scheduled to appear, but her cross-country convoy ground to a halt outside of Houston this afternoon when her bus ran out of Crisco.”
August 18th, 2005 at 4:46 pmSorry, should have credited that post — got it from scrappleface.com
August 18th, 2005 at 4:48 pmSheehan is alienating her own family to curry favor with the lying left. So sad.
so that’s it? She’s doing this to get a date?
August 18th, 2005 at 4:54 pmBlue State Red,
Here are some important facts that you fail to comprehend. We don’t want to debate you. We don’t want to discuss topics with you. We don’t care if you understand our position. We don’t care if you like us. We don’t like you. You are a joke and a traitor to your country, making you the enemy.
Go away already.
August 18th, 2005 at 4:57 pmTell scrappleface, whoever he is, not to give up his day job.
August 18th, 2005 at 4:57 pmCC, NED, Fake, BSR and the rest of you junior supporters, since you’re on the Iraq war subject, let me ask you:
What were junior’s stated reasons for attacking Iraq?
August 18th, 2005 at 5:05 pmOh come on Gary, you gotta admit the last 2 graphs are pretty funny. If I can laugh at other conservatives (Santorum, for one) you can laugh at the left once in a while…
August 18th, 2005 at 5:05 pmOh come on Gary, you gotta admit the last 2 graphs are pretty funny. If I can laugh at other conservatives (Santorum, for one) you can laugh at the left once in a while…
Comment by Concerned Conservative — August 18, 2005 @ 5:05 pm
What you think is the left, is probably more aptly labeled the center.
August 18th, 2005 at 5:08 pmIt’s hard for some of us to laugh at a quagmire war-like conflict and $8 trillion in debt.
Perhaps if the worst thing Dubya ever did was boink his secretary, we might be more jovial.
August 18th, 2005 at 5:11 pm#105 – I am just being spiteful and pointing out that you can’t win elections.
Comment by The Northeast Dilemma — August 18, 2005 @ 4:44 pm
You should really wait untill the next election. You haven’t won two presidential elections in a row. Dems were the last party to do that. The midterms are not going to be pretty for you. To retain power, your guys will have to break with Bush and some of the base. Your party is fracturing as we speak. But go ahead with that. That’s the kind of talk that will get you re-elected. Not.
August 18th, 2005 at 5:12 pmKeith, here is joint resolution from Congress:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021002-2.html
August 18th, 2005 at 5:13 pmC C is a troll. He’s concerned, but not what we think he’s concerned about. Nice try. Too bad for you.
August 18th, 2005 at 5:15 pmKeith, here is joint resolution from Congress:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/ news/ releases/ 2002/ 10/ 20021002-2.html
Comment by Concerned Conservative — August 18, 2005 @ 5:13 pm
This is meaningless. This is why you just don’t get it, or you do and you like it.
I’ll come back when somebody wants a real discussion.
– The Real CC
Comment by Concerned Conservative — August 18, 2005 @ 2:28 pm
Perhaps you shouldn’t. You may be too far gone. Even some of the wingnuts are concerned. But more concerned about losing power, as this BTC article points out.
http://www.btcnews.com/btcnews/1077
You don’t really care about America, or Iraqis. You care about being made to look foolish, and suffering from the rising tide that will sweep you back to the extremist fringe from whence you came. It will get ugly. It will be painful. You and your kind have caused much pain. It’s your turn to suffer, and suffer you will.
Comment by SJS — August 18, 2005 @ 4:16 pm
I was making a much broader condemnation on how lying, spinning and out right cutthroat politics have become the norm. On both sides.
You must be joking. Become? Try always has been. You have extremists running the country. Clinton was a conservative Republican. A Democrat in name only. Once you get that, you might be normal again.
Comment by SJS — August 18, 2005 @ 4:19 pm
All modern Democrats = Eisenhowerian conservative Republican moderates.
All GOP = Extremist wingnuts. Not conservative. Not even true Republicans.
Once you get that, you will know where we, and you, are.
Comment by SJS — August 18, 2005 @ 4:21 pm
August 18th, 2005 at 5:17 pmThe country is taking a hard left, brought on by two things that always cause that. Extremism in one direction on the continuum, and more importantly, an elective war based on a lie. Deal with it. It’s an historical fact.
August 18th, 2005 at 5:20 pmhttp://www.mediaweek.com/mw/news/interactive/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001015195
Nielsen//NetRatings found blog readership has grown 31 percent since the beginning of the year, as blogs attracted 29.3 million visitors in July. About one in five Internet users visit blogs, the research firm said. ComScore Media Metrix, another Internet research firm, last week released a study that found blog readers are younger and more affluent than other Internet users.
And left/liberal blogs are kicking the right’s asses in cable and blogs. Sweat, bitches.
August 18th, 2005 at 5:27 pmSorry Keith and SJS, that post was not as relevant as it should have been. I found another summary shorter and more directly answering the question of Bush’s rationale:
The Bush administration’s rationale was built around six main themes: Saddam’s possession of weapons of mass destruction (WMD); the threat Saddam posed to the Middle East; Iraq’s links to al Qaeda; Saddam’s harsh treatment of the Iraqi people; Iraq’s lack of democracy; and the example a free and democratic Iraq would set for authoritarian regimes in the region.
My assessment: didn’t find WMD though he clearly had them in the ’90s; I’d say Saddam was a threat to the middle east (Kuwait); Iraq had soft links to al Qaeda; I’d say killing hunderds of thousands of your own people is harsh; too early to tell on the democracy in Iraq front.
August 18th, 2005 at 5:28 pmBSR, ND, CC–
“LOLROFLMAO! So far all this site has accomplished is to collect all the left’s tired old vulgarisms in one place. Short on facts, long on profanity, it’s the sound of one unwashed hand clapping badly.”
The comments left here from liberals have been nearly equal in number to that of conservatives–each bearing a hostile tone.
I visit the posts sparingly. Some, I’ve noticed, attempt to take an objective stance.
I am neither Conservative nor Liberal. I do not adopt or adhere to either party’s agenda. I address both with the same crucial skepticism.
It’s disheartening to see your unyielding esteem toward politicians.
Why not find a common ground before addressing your differences? It’s more productive than shouting “fascist!â€
MACK—
Someone really needs to hit this home.
“Separation of Church and State†is crucial in sustaining a democracy. The First Amendment’s significance seems to be rising due to the growing religious diversity in America.
A common Conservative stance—The U.S. Constitution was founded on Biblical principles. The founding fathers intended for America to be a Christian state.
Read this: http://www.noapathy.org/tracts/mythofseparation.html
This movement is retroactive. Too bad I don’t have the time to elaborate.
August 18th, 2005 at 5:31 pmConcerned Conservative,
Here are some important facts that you fail to comprehend. We don’t want to debate you. We don’t want to discuss topics with you. We don’t care if you understand our position. We don’t care if you like us. We don’t like you. You are a joke and a traitor to your country, making you the enemy.
Go away already.
August 18th, 2005 at 5:32 pmFeingold and Hagel both calling for immediate pullout from Iraq. Hagel is a Republican and Viet Nam war vet.
August 18th, 2005 at 5:34 pmKeith asked me a serious question in 122, Spooge-Boy. I gave him a serious answer. Unless you speak for Keith, butt out.
August 18th, 2005 at 5:36 pmAnd our attitude to the four great elements, to the earth, to the divine ether, to the sea and all the waters, to the sun and the moon and all the stellar bodies, to the wind and to the rain and the frost and the dew, to the motions of the clouds and the processions of the seasons, to darkness itself as it mingles with the mystery of the two twilights, ought to be an attitude containing all the actual feelings implied in the word “worship,” ought to be, in fact, a real substitute for religion, the only substitute perhaps, except an inspired pity for flesh and blood, that the scepticisms of our age allows us.
– John Cowper Powys
August 18th, 2005 at 5:36 pmConstipated Conservative,
Yeah, that was real funny. Lady’s pissed off that her son died due to BushCo’s lies that got us to invade a country that hadn’t attacked us, Israel or Kuwait for that matter, and she wants BushCo to look her in the eye and tell her and the rest of the American people WHAT the NOBLE CAUSE was, yet you think some stupid Woodstock comment is appropriate, let alone funny.
HAHA jokes on you.
ANd for your #132 comment, the Kurds were NOT Saddam’s people! They were virtually autonomous from Iraq, plus WE sold him the chemicals to do it to them, meanwhile standing back and doing nothing in the Reagan admin. Haven’t you ever wondered why there are photos from that era of Rummy shaking hand with Saddam?
Get a clue.
August 18th, 2005 at 5:36 pmSkid,
Winston Churchill applauded Saddam for gassing the Kurds.
August 18th, 2005 at 5:39 pmThis may be why the Konservatives are whipped up:
http://www.thiscantbehappening.net/2005.08.01_arch.html#1124398603145
They may be loosing the very thing they hold so near and dear: Access to the minds and hearts of the people who do the actual reporting (mind control of the masses?) in the MSM. The MSM had sided very strongly with the NeoCons all these years (since Newt G days, in fact). It looks like the tide is turning.
August 18th, 2005 at 5:44 pmConservative Commentators Chicken Out of Comments
Now this is fun — two right-wing commentators simultaneously do the 100 Meter Backpedal on their own words.
August 18th, 2005 at 5:44 pmSkid,
The satire I posted was mostly targeted at the others mentioned in it(Kerry, Fonda), not Mrs. Sheehan. However, while it is tragic what happened to her son and she has every right to say what whe wants, we are not required to turn a blind eye to the fact that she is using his death to make a political statement.
Good point on the Kurds and our idiotic behavior in the 80’s. Why we ever partnered with that lunatic in the first place is beyond me.
August 18th, 2005 at 5:46 pmWe don’t think it’s funny.
August 18th, 2005 at 5:50 pmSkid,
Winston Churchill applauded Saddam for gassing the Kurds.
Comment by St. — August 18, 2005 @ 5:39 pm
You’ve been communing with the dead again, like Michelle Magalangalang, haven’t you?
August 18th, 2005 at 5:52 pmI think you meant to say old Winnie applauded Saddam for passing those turds.
August 18th, 2005 at 5:52 pmFonda means nothing to me, but you should get your facts straight on Kerry’s protest of Vietnam and the medals, rather than Swiftboat smears. Why the HELL shouldn’t it be a political statement? She has every right to make it a political statement! BushCo supporters DESERVE to have her son’s death made into a political statement since they lied to and screwed us for this $WAR$.
August 18th, 2005 at 5:55 pmComment by St. — August 18, 2005 @ 5:31 pm
This guy is in need of meds. The link goes to a wingnut argument about the Myth of the separation between church and state. I didn’t waste any time reading it. Shoot him on site if he returns.
August 18th, 2005 at 5:58 pmPlus, it would kick ass if Neil Young shoed up at Camp Casey! Imagine the updated rendition of Cortez the Killer he could do.
Keep On Rockin’ In the Free World!
August 18th, 2005 at 5:59 pmActually, Fonda does mean something to me. She is probably the first person in the US associated with the Viet Nam war to have been spit on, by a supposed vet of that war, no less.
August 18th, 2005 at 5:59 pmWhy we ever partnered with that lunatic in the first place is beyond me.
And yet here you defend (and voted for?) those same people who partnered with him.
August 18th, 2005 at 6:00 pmSaying Saddam gassed his own people is like saying the KKK lynched their own people.
August 18th, 2005 at 6:02 pmTalk about myths: http://slate.msn.com/id/1005224/
The separation of Church and state ain’t a myth. Viet vets being spit on is.
August 18th, 2005 at 6:02 pmJane Fonda kept “shooting herself in the foot” though in her position and image during Viet Nam.
August 18th, 2005 at 6:03 pmWell, except for Kerry, he was spit on, and Max Cleland, he was spit on. And Jane Fonda, we got video of that. Man, I’d be hiding now if I had ever been a vocal right wing extremist wingnut. The backlash against you neo-fascist fools will be withering and lethal.
August 18th, 2005 at 6:05 pmDepends on your point of view. Ever read about Tiger Force?
August 18th, 2005 at 6:05 pmhttp://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=SRTIGERFORCE
August 18th, 2005 at 6:06 pmhttp://www.thisisrumorcontrol.org/node/2281
August 18th, 2005 at 6:07 pmhttp://www.thisisrumorcontrol.org/node/2282
August 18th, 2005 at 6:08 pmAll in the news before the election, proving Kerry was right, (duh!). Damn librul media, huh? You want to be associated with rapes and beheading infants? months of mayhen and slaughter of innocent civillians? I don’t.
August 18th, 2005 at 6:09 pmRead it all and Love America, and Wal-mart!
August 18th, 2005 at 6:10 pm“Keith asked me a serious question in 122, Spooge-Boy. I gave him a serious answer. Unless you speak for Keith, butt out.”
I don’t care who asked you what. I really don’t.
Spooge-Boy, good one. Actually I spooge every chance I can. My girlfriend gobbles it up.
August 18th, 2005 at 6:13 pmI’m glad she loves ya, Spudge-Boy, but its a bit too much info for me.
August 18th, 2005 at 6:17 pmTruth hurts. Even folks on the left are unaware of the truth. Read it, if you are on the left, you will. Those on the right won’t. It will give them nightmares. Beheading infants. That’s a fact, witnessed. Raping young women. Fact, witnessed. For months. Our troops, in Nam. And Kerry was a liar? I think not. The right are liars. Always have been. Always will be. It’s going to be tough to live that down. The fact the Army is investigating these charges, today, 35 years later, well…
August 18th, 2005 at 6:21 pmSorry Skid.
August 18th, 2005 at 6:21 pmhttp://www.toledoblade.com/ apps/ pbcs.dll/ section?Category=SRTIGERFORCE
Comment by SJS — August 18, 2005 @ 6:06 pm
http://www.thisisrumorcontrol.org/node/2281
Comment by SJS — August 18, 2005 @ 6:07 pm
http://www.thisisrumorcontrol.org/node/2282
August 18th, 2005 at 6:22 pmPosted http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=SRTIGERFORCE
August 18th, 2005 at 6:23 pmIts OK. No relation to Squeegee Boy, are you?
August 18th, 2005 at 6:23 pmhttp://www.myspace.com/bog1
Oops!
August 18th, 2005 at 6:25 pmhttp://www.myspace.com/11259008
No, just me Spudge-Boy. No relation to anybody but Grunk.
August 18th, 2005 at 6:31 pmThe Bush administration’s rationale was built around six main themes: Saddam’s possession of weapons of mass destruction (WMD); the threat Saddam posed to the Middle East; Iraq’s links to al Qaeda; Saddam’s harsh treatment of the Iraqi people; Iraq’s lack of democracy; and the example a free and democratic Iraq would set for authoritarian regimes in the region.
Comment by Concerned Conservative — August 18, 2005 @ 5:28 pm
CC,
August 18th, 2005 at 6:50 pmYou know that we were constantly fed the ‘immanent threat’ along with the ’smoking gun in the form of a mushroom cloud’ crap, which you also know were lies. No, the rationale was, if we can get this invasion started, the american people will initially ralley, that’s what people do, causing a few dumbasses to vote for chimpface in ‘04. Then when the election fraud is applied we can chant, ‘most presidents are re-elected in a time of war’. Then we are free to embezzle (spelling? an endless amount of taxpayer money through no-bid contracts, change tax law to benefit our contributors and so on.
I truly believe these pigs will get what’s coming to them. It’s what keeps me going from day to day while I know where our tax money is spent.
August 18th, 2005 at 6:58 pmThe Bush administration’s rationale was built around six main themes: Saddam’s possession of weapons of mass destruction (WMD);
Debunked. In fact, it was known that he had none.
the threat Saddam posed to the Middle East;
He could barely threaten the Kurds in his own country at this point. These were the only people he ever did threaten after he was driven from Kuwait. The Iraqis do not consider Kurds to be Iraqi.
Iraq’s links to al Qaeda;
Please. zip zilch zero goose-egg nada nil none
Saddam’s harsh treatment of the Iraqi people;
Harsh treatment was not part of the rationale
Iraq’s lack of democracy; and the example a free and democratic Iraq would set for authoritarian regimes in the region.
Again, you are creeping, not part of the rationale. Get real or get gone
Comment by Concerned Conservative — August 18, 2005 @ 5:28 pm
August 18th, 2005 at 7:17 pmReally, is it news that Bill (”I won a Peabody”) O’Reilly says something, offends people, and then claims to have never said it? This from the same man who continually referred to himself being “behind enemy lines” with “his men,” until a brave caller got an air and called him on his shit? Suffering heaps of abuse in the process, until O’Reilly hung up on him?
One of these days someone is REALLY going to call him on this shit. He’s going to say something that’s going to set one of these wingnuts off, God help us, and O’Reilly will claim he never ever said it. And then the tapes will play and we’ll all hear it and he’s quiver and prevaricate and finally his ass will land in jail.
It started with the dirty phone calls to his female co-worker. He got off easy on that one. But these scripts keep getting replayed over and over again until finally the guy is gonna wake up and knock it off because he’s really going to see some consequences.
August 18th, 2005 at 8:00 pmWell, we know for sure Saddam had WMD’s—twenty years ago, anyway. We know that for sure because President Ronald Reagan gave them to him. He was only supposed to use the gas and stuff on the Iranians, though, during their 8 year war. That was how we kept Iran in check and afraid to try and go nuclear and risk an all out war with Saddam’s Iraq.
Now that the threat of Saddam is gone, thanks to Bushco, I find it interesting that it is now the Iranians who are developing WMD’s—the same Iranians who are the REAL enemy of America—and that the new, free and emerging Iraqi government is busy signing trade deals and setting up a future Islamic government to be in allegience with Iran.
Bush, the simple-minded man that he is, should have taken a page from he hero Reagan’s play book: the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
August 18th, 2005 at 8:07 pmThe most concise statement of the origianl reasons ofr invading Iraq are contained in the Joint Resolution passed by Congress. They include: Saddam’s violation of the Persian Gulf War cease-fire agreement; intelligence showing Saddam’s possession of/pursuit of WMD; Sadddam’s demonstrated use of WMD on both domestic and foreign enemies; Saddam’s threats against the U.S.; Saddam’s hostile acts against the U.S.; Saddam’s stated support for international terrorist acts, including 9/11; intelligence showing Saddam’s ties to terrorist organizations, including but not limted to al-Qaeda; Saddam’s serial violation of U.N. Security Council Resolutions; and Saddam’s refusal to disarm.
The Joint Resolution also makes specific reference to the 1998 Iraq Liberation Act, which made it U.S. policy to (1) use every possible means to enforce U.N. resolutions, and (2) bring about regime change to establish a free and democratic Iraq.
President Bush talked about all of these reasons at various times during the months preceding the invasion. But the consistent themes of all his remarks on the subject were that Saddam must disarm, Saddam must comply with all U.N. resolutions, and failing that America would force him to do so, one way or the other.
In October 2002, Congress overwhelmingly authorized President Bush to “use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to (1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and (2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council Resolutions regarding Iraq.”
Such use of force required only a presidential determination that further diplomacy was insufficient to protect U.S. national security and was not likely to lead to the strict enforcement of all U.N. Resolutions. Given Saddam’s behavior, that was easy.
Virtually every congressional Democrat, including the Democrats who saw all the intelligence on Iraq, voted in favor of this Joint Resolution. Few, if any, have renounced their votes. Even Hillary Clinton, the darling of the left, stands by her vote in favor of the Joint Resolution.
The only thing that has changed since October 2002 is that we have discovered the world’s intelligence on Iraq was wrong about WMDs. Nothing else has changed, except the left’s hostility towards a war that has liberated millions of people, including Afghani and Iraqi women who are now voting for the first time ever.
These facts are easy to discover, unless one is disinclined to do so. I guess the left prefers to call President Bush a liar, a murderer, and a war criminal than to confront the cold, hard facts. Fine with me. They won’t ever change any minds that way.
August 18th, 2005 at 8:12 pmAnd how is Bush’s war working out for you, BS Red?
August 18th, 2005 at 8:24 pmAttention all Conswervatives
Blue State Red will ethusiastically engage in right wingnut talking-points fellatio, and he swallows.
August 18th, 2005 at 8:26 pmIn fact, of the 23 whereas clauses in that joint resolution, exactly one referred to Saddam’s treatment of the Iraqi people. It was a catchall clause that also included POW/MIA from the first gulf war, and stolen Kuwaiti property.
As for the 9/11 ties and WMD (comprising the bulk of the 23 whereas clauses), we all got snookered by Bush’s intelligence. Congress did not have access to the same intelligence as Bush (neither did any of us, as Cheney repeatedly pointed out). Even if they did, it was Bush who directed intelligence operations and presented the findings. Bush is ultimately responsible for what we did in Iraq, in spite of the post-9/11 benefit of the doubt the rest of us gave him, you cannot lay this on the lap of Hillary Clinton.
August 18th, 2005 at 8:29 pmI’m very late here. I see that NED is so delussional that he/she believes that Clinton was president on 9-11-2001. I wish somebody would have told me, I would have expected the capture of Bin Laden had I known.
When does Clintons term expire exactly Ned?
August 18th, 2005 at 8:32 pmFinally, many of us would like to see Bush, at long last, himself confront the cold, hard facts of his war.
And the rest of you 51% too. Less than 51% now. In fact minds are changing. Bush’s support as a “war president” is plummeting. People are changing their minds and joining us. There is no exodus from the Democrat party, in spite of the name calling from Karl Rove and his ilk. So you can talk all you want about how we won’t change any minds. We don’t have to. Reality will do that for us.
August 18th, 2005 at 8:33 pmBS’eR,
Now why didn’t BushCo feel Saddam and Iraq were of importance BEFORE 9/11, at least enough to address the American public about his plans to invade and overthrow? Hell, they publicly stated that they weren’t even worried about Afghanistan or Al-Qaeda. The bottom line apears to be BushCo decided that since they KNEW there were NO WMDs, they would throw as much crap at the wall to see what sticks or would serve as a fall-back to claiming justification in attacking. The tired point of how almost all the Dems voted in agreement is BS because they were BS’d with BS intelligence just as we the American public were.
I don’t particularly care for being BS’d, and the same goes for most people I know. Why do you?
August 18th, 2005 at 8:55 pmI wish Winnie were speaking from the grave! We might, at least, have another prominent person to tell Bush he is destroying the country as we knew it.
Gassing of the Khurds? The only gas Sadaam was allowed to have was WW1 type mustard gas. This causes terrible blistering. We have all seen the horrendous pictures of the people who were gassed – not a blister in sight. Reports say that the type of gas used was possessed by Iran.
Undoubtedly Sadaam was a brutal, murderous man, but there are others out there who are worse. Difference being they don’t have oil.
For you who blame Clinton – he did do some bombing in an attempt to squash AlQueda instead of calling the intelligence he was given “historical”. If the intel was there for a year before 9/11, simple math tells you that 8 of those months were in Bush’s watch.
Why did Bush & Cheney have to go hand in hand to meet the 9/11 Commission, and refuse to take an oath? That’s one way to avoid perjury charges I suppose. They threw out genuine intelligence because it was Clinton’s and fabricated their own.
Sadaam has blood on his hands……….?
August 18th, 2005 at 9:06 pmSpeaking of war…
On Thursday, Dick “The Ejaculating Coward” Cheney will address the 73rd Convention of the Military Order of the Purple Heart. The Dick, who said he had “OTHER PRIORITIES” in the Vietnam era, helped himself to FIVE draft deferments.
From Slate Magazine: “Daughter Elizabeth Cheney’s birth date falls precisely NINE MONTHS AND TWO DAYS after the Selective Service publicly revoked its policy of not drafting childless husbands. This would seem to indicate that the Cheneys, though doubtless planning to have children sometime, were seized with an untamable passion THE MOMENT DICK CHENEY BECAME VULNERABLE TO THE VIETNAM DRAFT.” Dick “THE IMPREGNATOR” Cheney. The only “gun” he ever fired shot splooge, not steel-jacketed rounds.
P.S. Did you know that traitor Karl Rove received a $4,000 RAISE in July? http://nationaljournal.com/about/njweekly/stories/2005/0726nj_wh_dollar.htm
August 18th, 2005 at 9:12 pmBush, the simple-minded man that he is, should have taken a page from he hero Reagan’s play book: the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Bush should have taken a page from Ronnie’s play book, a real faux cowboy, and pulled out of Iraq after the first bomb went off. That’s what Ronnie did in Lebanon in the 80’s. Bush I didn’t have the balls to go into Iraq until Maggie Thatcher called his a wuss. This made little boots mad.
August 18th, 2005 at 9:49 pmI urge you all to watch the cable TV coverage of Dennis Rader. BTK. Remember, they are talking about Republicans in the meta sense.
August 18th, 2005 at 9:52 pmSorry but
August 18th, 2005 at 10:25 pmRader was a card carrying democrat
BSR and CC,
Surely you’ve seen this before.
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/HowSenate_Intelligence_chairman_fixed_intelligence_and_diverted_blame_fromWhite_House__0811.html
August 18th, 2005 at 10:33 pmCindys comment regarding nuking Iraq is a little over the top. A little.
Fact is we have been using depleted unranium in our shells. One or two here or there, no problem but hundreds and hundreds of these and pretty soon we have raised the radioactiviy poisoning to alarming levels. The number of articles one can find on this contamination from the first gulf war are legion.
Stick to facts NE, as for Michael Moore that is opinion and you are entitled. My opinion is that he is a true American and patriot. He loves this country and the constitution as I do and many on the left. Pardon us for not wanting this country to be a fascist State.
Sheehan is a catalyst for change, and she loved her son and she does not dishonor him for wanting the President to explain what the noble cause was that snuffed out his young life. None of the right wing trolls has answered that question and neither has the President. Maybe one day if you suffer such a terrible loss and you feel was not justified (imagine Clinton in Kosovo and your child dying) you may have a different tune.
It is a known fact that when Clinton briefed Bush – he made it very clear that terrorism and OBL was the biggest challenge facing the new administration. Bush blew that off in favor of Empire building PNAC.
August 18th, 2005 at 11:29 pmNo matter what you right wing trolls say – you cannot change the fact that the attacks on 911 happended on Bushs watch. And he was on vacation like he is now and in true arrogant fashion blue off the memo indicating that OBL was determined in attacking the US. I wish you all would love your country more that your party. You are destroying our democracy with your blindness.
some links to back up my statements, yes I can spell
but I am multitasking. u r a n i um
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=110857
clinton and his allies also used this shit:
http://www.pdhealth.mil/deployments/bosnia/radiological_cont2.asp
of course the bush adminstration denies it, but what credibility do they have anyway? I believe Clarkes account and it was corraborated. —>
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/19/60minutes/main607356.shtml
August 18th, 2005 at 11:38 pmSee, they can see their words in print, they can hear them on audio and they STILL deny they said them. O’Reilly is particularly delusional, a pervert with a TV show, a smug, self-aggrandizing obnoxious loudmouthed bully, who is unable to admit that anything he does/says is wrong.
August 18th, 2005 at 11:45 pmHe makes me sick.
The right wing wackos only invoke free speech when it applies to them — the rest of us are to be denied First Amendment rights. Rush Lintball is a perfect example of the tyrannical mind set.
August 18th, 2005 at 11:49 pmOf course, Marie, Republicans would never acknowledge that Amnesty International opposed Rumsfeld the last time he went into Iraq. That was when Rumsfeld was giving Saddam guns and maps, and anyone who opposed that was a commie-loving hand-wringing liberal. AI was right then, and I’d put my money on them today, too.
August 18th, 2005 at 11:52 pm#168 How did you find out Rove got a raise? If the whole country knew that wouldn’t you thinksome people would raise a stink? Of course, that’s why it is not too well publicized.
August 19th, 2005 at 12:04 am#168, I just looked up the link you provided — I didn’t notice it before I asked.
August 19th, 2005 at 12:06 am#177, Rummy must be senile. There is no other explanation for his irrational and incoherent ramblings. A senile old man with a military is a dangerous thing.
August 19th, 2005 at 12:10 amI would like the chickenhawks to answer a question for me. I know they wont because the answer debunks their nonsense but here it is.
If Saddam had WMD’s why didn’t he use them when Bushie announced we were coming to get him?
If Iran has them I’m sure they will use them against us if we attack them yes?
August 19th, 2005 at 12:20 amThey can’t answer that Susan. They can only blame Clinton for everything under the sun.
August 19th, 2005 at 12:36 amYou can bet that Iran will use them against us if we attack them.
Putting it plain and simple, Bill O’Reilly is just a pathological liar. He lies without thought of the ramifications or without thought period. He lies so much everyday he starts to lose track of all his lies, until he drifts into his little imaginary world, further distancing himself from reality. And this is the result of years and years of lies, as of yet. Seriously though, anyone insensitive enough to attack a mother of a fallen soldier, and to put words in the mouth of someone he never knew (her son) has serious issues (as do all neo-cons). Bush could come out tomorrow and say “the sky is green”, and the democrats would say no it’s not it’s blue, and O’Reilly would say call whoever disagrees the that sky is green a traitor, and unpatriotic for disagreeing with the “president”. How can republicans be so gullible, yet not believe the truth when they hear it?
August 19th, 2005 at 12:44 amThere’s so much of evidence of the lies SouthernDemocrat. A Bushie supporter is either incapable of handling the truth or they somehow profit from the lies. Either way they have no crediblity.
August 19th, 2005 at 1:15 amThe most concise statement of the origianl reasons ofr invading Iraq are contained in the Joint Resolution passed by Congress.
GOP extremist wingnut controlled Congress and White House with a bunch of spineless DINOs in the minority? Yeah, those are facts upon which we can all rely…
August 19th, 2005 at 1:43 amHave a look at this O’Reilly versus Krugman encounter from last year. http://www.jimgilliam.com/2004/08/krugman_vs_oreilly_my_clips.php
I think the description of “the angry drunk on the barstool next to you who won’t shut up” is a good one. I prefer Bushevik Brownshirt myself.
August 19th, 2005 at 2:30 pmRead the 2002 Joint Res, pal. http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021002-2.html
It has in it this gem:
“(2) acting pursuant to this resolution is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorists attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001. ”
So Bush attacked Iraq because Saddam was involved in 9-11. Resolved in Congress and timed for the 2002 mid-terms to make Demos who voted against it ‘weak on terror’.
But the 9-11 commission found no evidence of Saddam and 9-11 linkage, despite Dick ‘reconstituted nuclear weapons’ Cheney said.
In any case, the US and UK had already started the war, even before the resolution was passed: http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/052905X.shtml
So this resolution was justfied on a lie for a war that Bush had already started.
Chimpeach!
August 19th, 2005 at 3:00 pm#39, YOU ARE 100% INCORRECT – WRONG !!!
When leaving D.C. PRESIDENT CLINTON told p-RESIDENT dumbya that OBL was planning another attact like the WTC. HE WAS DISMISSED AND PO-POOED!
Check your facts before you make a fool out of yourself.
August 20th, 2005 at 1:05 amO’Reilly has two faces. And he sits on the best one.
August 29th, 2005 at 11:02 pmIf the plastic wrist bands aren’t working fast enough for you liberals, try slipping them around your neck. I think you’ll be amazed at how fast you’ll achieve total peace.
September 28th, 2005 at 3:31 pmGoogle PNAC in your car window> if you dare !
http://oldamericancentury.org/bb/index.php?showtopic=5837
December 11th, 2005 at 10:46 pmWhy don’t the US give them half the time if they elect to have their testees taken out. This will kill the want for sex.
January 14th, 2006 at 4:35 am