Bush: Less Popular Than Nixon During Watergate
Via Atrios, an American Research Group poll released today shows that George Bush has dropped to staggering new lows:
George W. Bush’s overall job approval ratings have dropped from a month ago even as Americans who approve of the way Bush is handling his job as president are turning more optimistic about their personal financial situations according to the latest survey from the American Research Group. Among all Americans, 36% approve of the way Bush is handling his job as president and 58% disapprove. When it comes to Bush’s handling of the economy, 33% approve and 62% disapprove.
Among Americans registered to vote, 38% approve of the way Bush is handling his job as president and 56% disapprove, and 36% approve of the way Bush is handling the economy and 60% disapprove.
For a little perspective, recall that Richard Nixon’s approval rating in the summer of 1973 (when the Watergate scandal was in full swing) was 39%.
Compared to Bush, that’s downright sunny.
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i feel a “terrorist” attack coming on if things dont start to get better for Bush.you remember what 9/11 did for his agenda and poll numbers right?
August 22nd, 2005 at 11:03 amI’m afraid this still does not translate into a case for the Democrats in 2006 & 2008. The Democratic leadership needs to make their case for governance or all the negative polls will not help. For the love of pete stand up and lead!
August 22nd, 2005 at 11:06 amI hope you aren’t right about another attack, because it would definately mean that BuchCo is ochestrating them.
August 22nd, 2005 at 11:07 amEcho that Mack
August 22nd, 2005 at 11:08 amyou 2 honestly dont think they were behind 9/11? or at the very least helped let it happen? take a look at what NORAD was up to on 9/11. and take a look at how FEMA was in place in Manhatten on Sept.10,2001. Cheney was given all operational control of FEMA shortly before 9/11………i could really go on for pages but i wont, look it all up for yourselves. the writing is clearly on the wall for everyone to see.
August 22nd, 2005 at 11:11 am“Sunny” is probably an overstatement, given that their ratings are within the margin of error. I’m just pleased to see the number slip below the ‘important psychological barrier’ of 40%. What with the right-wing base still so firmly behind the guy (what, like 90%!?!), I was wondering if it was even possible.
August 22nd, 2005 at 11:12 amwell, CNN just said the Iraqis have drafted a constitution, so that should help Bush a little bit, and also, the White House aids actuually admitted that Bush is going to invoke 9/11 in his Iraq speech today. so that should get some of the sheep confused enough to get his numbers up a little bit.
August 22nd, 2005 at 11:14 amAlas, Citizen, desperate times demand desperate measures. Somewhere, the hand of Emmanuel Goldstein is poised to strike — especially if there’s any truth at all to the recent rumblings about coup-plots in the Pentagon. A serious distraction may now be inevitable. Not even Dubbya’s base knows what to make of him anymore. He has become a random-policy generator.
August 22nd, 2005 at 11:15 amC
I think your wrong about that buddy. I’ve read some of the “theories” and they don’t add up. They were asleep at the helm is all.
August 22nd, 2005 at 11:16 amkeep telling yourself that. im not talking about some of the more out there theories like the missing plane at the pentagon. im talking about OBVIOUS things that people like you just dont want to believe. read “Crossing The Rubicon” by Micheal Ruppert, and some of David Ray Griffins work. these people have no agendas. start there, inform yourself, youve probably jsut wenrt to a couple crackpot websites that say Bush is hitler, but you need to get your head out of your ass if you think the administrations only offense that day was being “asleep at the helm”. if thats the only offense, they were WILLFULLY asleep.why is it so hard for you people to believe that your government is desperate and capable of some very sick things?
August 22nd, 2005 at 11:19 amCome on guys, coup plots and conspiracies? Keep focused on the here and now.
August 22nd, 2005 at 11:20 ami guess it will take another “terror attack” and war with Iran to convince some of you people that your government still works with the myth that is al-qaeda.your media lies to you.constantly.
August 22nd, 2005 at 11:21 amC
Ok now, I’m not the enemy here. I do believe our government is capable of many heinous acts. My point being, it is irrelevant right now, let us work on the concrete here and now.
August 22nd, 2005 at 11:24 amyeah,really, i mean, 19 arabs with box cutters and hardly any commercial flight training somehow brought this country to its knees,confused our air defense and spurred us into perpetual war.come on people, stop with the conspiracy theories.
August 22nd, 2005 at 11:25 amOther good polling news from http://www.surveyusa.com
The top three LEAST popular senators who are up for re-election in 2006 are ALL republicans …
1. Rick Santorum (R-PA)
Approve 42
Disapprove 46
2. Mike DeWine (R-OH)
Approve 42
Disapprove 43
3. Conrad Burns (R-MT)
Approve 48
Disapprove 42
http://www.surveyusa.com/ 100USSenators0805SortedbyNetApprovalScore.htm
The question is, will the Dems run strong candidates against them? No good news so far…
August 22nd, 2005 at 11:38 amCasey is going against Santorum in PA,and Casey is absolutely NOT a strong candidate, but hes pro-life, so that could siphon off some religious nut-bag votes.
August 22nd, 2005 at 11:39 amI have been waiting for an article on high oil/gas prices to appear here on Think Prgress. CNN has had several segments on what people thnk the reasons for the rising cost of fuel and not one commentator, press or public, has mentioned the war in Iraq as one reason… which has got to be the number one reason!
August 22nd, 2005 at 11:39 amthe Iraq war was seen as a remedy for that by the neocons. go figure.
August 22nd, 2005 at 11:40 am#17, FYI, we did a piece here: http://www.americanprogressaction.org/ site/ apps/ nl/ newsletter2.asp?c=klLWJcP7H&b=917053
Check it out.
August 22nd, 2005 at 11:41 amIt seems that BushCo’s 9/11 excuse for invading Iraq is wearing a bit thin on the public at large. But we’ll see after his next train-wreck of a speech.
Yes, BushCo knew something big was going to happen on 9/11. Are they cynical enough to perpetrate another disaster on the US to get their poll numbers up? I sincerely hope not, too. But these are greedy bastards out to make a buck any way they can. Oh, and they’re very interested in Empire too. Don’t forget, it was someone IN the WhiteHouse who is quoted as starting a paragraph with “… Now that we are empire… we can set the course of history…”
August 22nd, 2005 at 11:42 amWhat is worse than high prices at the pump is the infaltion to follow. We have a perfect storm brewing out there and no seems to give it much thought.
August 22nd, 2005 at 11:43 amSorry, inflation. My bad.
August 22nd, 2005 at 11:44 amits not just about poll numbers, its about power, and right now their hands are tied. another “terror attack” would give them some leeway.especially if they could somehow blame Iran which they will.
August 22nd, 2005 at 11:49 amI agree. NYT Magazine had a long article on oil that was quite good..
http://www.nytimes.com/ 2005/ 08/ 21/ magazine/ 21OIL.html
August 22nd, 2005 at 11:49 ami say look for backpack nukes or dirty bombs sometime in the next year or 2.
August 22nd, 2005 at 11:49 amNo wonder Bush had to cuddle up with Lance this weekend while Pickles was in NYC and Sheryl was busy in the studio.
August 22nd, 2005 at 11:56 amthen Bush can blame Al-CIAda like he always does.
August 22nd, 2005 at 11:57 amThe top three LEAST popular senators who are up for re-election in 2006 are ALL republicans …
1. Rick Santorum (R-PA)
Approve 42
Disapprove 46
2. Mike DeWine (R-OH)
Approve 42
Disapprove 43
3. Conrad Burns (R-MT)
Approve 48
Disapprove 42
[steeples fingers]
EX-cellent!
August 22nd, 2005 at 12:00 pm“im not talking about some of the more out there theories like the missing plane at the pentagon.”
You tell me where that plane is. If there is no plane, no crater, the grass was still green out front of the pentagon, why was it ordered to be covered with sand?
Where is the hole that should have been made by a 44 foot tall plane. The hole was only 16 feet high and didn’t even go through to the roof. That collapsed later.
Why is this theory “out there.” Have you looked at the pictures? Did you look at the pictures? You know, there are pictures? This isn’t somebody writing a story and making it up as they go. There are pictures.
August 22nd, 2005 at 12:05 pmtake a look at what NORAD was up to on 9/11.
Sure, I’ll just mosey on down to Cheyenne Mountain, knock on the door and ask if I can take a look around.
The problem with your conspiracy theory is I refuse to absolve bin Laden of guilt for what he did. he frickin confessed, for chrissakes. He kicked this country in the balls and got away with it. That is the point.
And yes, being attacked by commercial airliners will confuse the hell out of any air defense system.
Also, Sheryl Crow is off my ipod. We should start calling her Marie Shriver. Sheryl, why don’t you dump your Republican boyfriend and go find someone with integrity?
August 22nd, 2005 at 12:05 pmNone of these poll numbers matter. By the general, left-wing standard of this site, Bush and Republicans will cheat to win trumping any weakness that they have in the polls.
You people are so blinded with hatred, that you can’t even get your propoganda straight. You hang onto MSM push polls, I will hang on to the GOP majority that will tip the Court over the next year.
August 22nd, 2005 at 12:06 pmThe fact that #1 claims Bush will orchestrate another attack shows how much you people A. are delusional and B. hate America. Please keep it up - that alone will help Bush win at the polls. People hate liberals that claim that crap!
August 22nd, 2005 at 12:13 pmNED, go to Iraq and implement those policies you wanted so badly.
August 22nd, 2005 at 12:17 pmDilemma,
If you think that it’s ok to lie, steal cheat, invade and kill, then I guess you wouldn’t feel any animosity toward the Bush administration. For many of us that live in reality, hate may not be a strong enough emotion. If you want to stand up to evil, start with the GOP and the Bush administration.
August 22nd, 2005 at 12:21 pm#32 - There is so much that BushCo knew prior to 9/11 and he chose to do nothing about it. For this and oh so much more, Bush is the most inept pResident we have ever had.
That you and your type support Bush is laughable. Keep it up. It makes you look loonier than maybe you are in real life. But who could tell?
Do yourself a favor and face the facts, not the spin.
Loser.
August 22nd, 2005 at 12:22 pm#35 - if you think that, you need help. Why don’t you just side with the Taliban and the freedom fighters in Iraq.
August 22nd, 2005 at 12:25 pmNeD, you’re wrong. When the American public finally realizes that Bush and company orchestrated 9/11 so they could get to play war games his poll numbers will be in the negatives! And when that happens there is no way he will win again.
Oh wait, Bush isn’t running for anything? But I hate him so much! It’s not fair — I hate him and he has to lose! Waaaaaaaaaaah. I want my mommy!
Citizen, how do you put up with this nonsense?
August 22nd, 2005 at 12:28 pmNED, not that you’d ever follow Cindy Sheehan’s advice, she puts it well when she wrote:
“If you fall on the side that is pro-George and pro-war, you get your ass over to Iraq, and take the place of somebody who wants to come home…”
Recruit Young Republicans. Start with the Bush twins. They’re still young enough to service an entire division without breaking a sweat. At least they’d be some minimal asset and comfort to the US in its “fight against Terror”.
August 22nd, 2005 at 12:31 pm#38 - there is no draft in case you haven’t checked. Casey Sheehan volunteered for two tour of duties and died honorably for his country. I respect that. I do not respect a faction of this country that exploits his death for political gain against the will of his family. Sheehan is a liar and will hurt more than Micheal Moore did when she is exposed.
August 22nd, 2005 at 12:35 pmLook guys, even his fellow repubs are sliding away from Bushco. You must be the only few left that actually buy any of this administration’s crap. It’s pathetic and I am embarrassed for you. I cannot believe you still post the same message over and over again. Let’s play that recording one more time. Here, I’ll help:
You lefties are hate filled;
We won you lost; and, my most favorite:
You hate America.
Is that ALL you can say? Is that really it? Your only argument is me win you lose and you hate America? Good grief, are you all not embarrassed? Can you not reread your posts and feel utterly stupid? OMG!
August 22nd, 2005 at 12:36 pmI just HAD to print these posts from NeD and Lyle and a couple of other nuts out for my “independent” friend to see. She was mortified. She thought that I somehow must have doctored these ridiculous posts. I do thank you for being SO IGNORANT that I can use you as poster children for impeachment. I say to them, look, do you see the type of people that are in step with this guy? Do you really want to be on the same ‘ball field’ as these morons? You are really helping the cause, but, again, I just can’t believe you are real.
August 22nd, 2005 at 12:42 pmWoo-hoo Neddy’s back!
Where’s your argument? I’m still looking. The polls do count because the GOP may fragment as the marginal Congress and Senate seats feel the cold breeze of change before 2006. Also, what impact will a GOP-tipped court have? Can we have a Rick Santorum - style theocracy, just like the one they are going to have in Iraq? BTW, I support putting the Ten Commandments in public and goverment places - provided that the government agrees to keep them all.
August 22nd, 2005 at 12:44 pm#40, thanks - I was looking for that. Why did I give Ned the benefit of the doubt that he had an argument?
August 22nd, 2005 at 12:46 pmP&P,
You want to see pathetic, read #5 and #10.
But just for fun, let’s breakdown your summary:
“Lefties are hate filled” — quite a few are.
“We won, you lost” — actually, yes we did win. And that entitles us to certain advantages.
“You hate America” — I think many of you hate the current leadership of America but not the country itself.
“
August 22nd, 2005 at 12:46 pmNice thread. First it was conspiracy theories re. 9/11 by C and now we have impeachment fantasies by progressive and proud. And this is from the “reality-based” community.
August 22nd, 2005 at 12:56 pmP & P - Hagel is a grandstander who wants attention and the willing MSM can’t wait to show breaks in the GOP ranks. The Democrats are much more divided over the war, then Republicans.
Your friend A. has either NOT seen all the invective coming from the left on this site (i.e. - Bush’s fallign poll numbers means another is imminent to help boost his standing) or B. that he/she is nor really independent. It’s probably B considering most liberals on this site thought Kerry was a moderate.
August 22nd, 2005 at 12:58 pmNo draft. Uh-huh. I think JC was hoping that more Repubs might put their butts where there mouths were without having to do complicated things like get five deferments, do work for Alabama republicans, fail drug tests and so on. You and I both know that a draft would shut this war down in a heartbeat. That’s Dubya’s dilemma, he can’t admit fault, can’t change to any other course than the one that will currently fail, because he is unable to. Being pig-headed is not leadership.
But now that I think of it, Dubya could really help his numbers, neutralize Cindy Sheehan and get his freeloading daughters of his back if he could get them to enlist, Ned. What do you think? Texas Air National Guard - they are somewhat slack on attendance and substance requirements, I hear.
August 22nd, 2005 at 12:59 pm#31
“You hang onto MSM push polls, I will hang on to the GOP majority that will tip the Court over the next year.”
#32
“Please keep it up - that alone will help Bush win at the polls.”
Dude, you’re worse than a sleazy used car salesman. You know everytime you talk you sound stupider.
August 22nd, 2005 at 1:03 pmWhile I’m down at Cheyanne Mt I think I’ll ask them if I can use their Stargate to do a little interstellar tourism. I wonder what kind of shots I’m gonna need?
August 22nd, 2005 at 1:04 pm#36
“freedom fighters in Iraq”
Well, at least you are calling them what they are. Freedom fighters, fighting to take back their country from Bush and Comapany.
August 22nd, 2005 at 1:05 pmDon’t get your hopes up: this from the Zogby site (www.zogby.com):
“Democrats fail to gain traction from Bush slip Democrats hoped they would be scoring political points in this year’s election cycle as a result of increasing terrorist violence in Iraq and skyrocketing gasoline prices that have combined to send President Bush’s job-approval ratings plunging into the low 40s. But things are not turning out as they hoped. The Democrats are beset by internal division over the lack of an agenda, carping from liberals who say party leaders are not aggressive enough in challenging Mr. Bush’s nomination of Judge John G. Roberts Jr. to the Supreme Court, bitterness among abortion rights activists after criticism by Democratic leaders that forced them to pull a TV advertisement attacking Judge Roberts, and complaints from pollsters that they have no coherent message to take into the 2006 elections. Independent pollster John Zogby says that although Mr. Bush is not doing well in the polls, the Democrats aren’t doing any better. “The Democrats aren’t scoring points in terms of landing any significant punches on Bush or in terms of saying anything meaningful to the American people,” Mr. Zogby said. In a slap at his party, Democratic pollster Stanley Greenberg said earlier this month that his surveys show that “one of the biggest doubts about Democrats is that they don’t stand for anything.”
August 22nd, 2005 at 1:06 pmHere’s one of the starkest “realities” about our fearless leaders. They send other people’s children to die in their gredy, power-hungry wars….yet they never had the courage to answer the call when it was their turn. Makes me sick to my stomach:
http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html
August 22nd, 2005 at 1:06 pmNothing good will come from a 36% approval. I doubt it can go lower because of the rightwing base, but I would love to see it go lower. Frankly, it always makes me smile when I see the chickenhawk with low numbers.
August 22nd, 2005 at 1:07 pm#39, “Sheehan is a liar…”
What did she lie about? She’s out protesting, and expressing her opinions. How is that lying? What did she lie about, in your view?
August 22nd, 2005 at 1:08 pm#39
“Sheehan is a liar and will hurt more than Micheal Moore did when she is exposed.”
Hey everybody, the anti-war movement is more than just Cindy Sheehan. There are thuosands of people all over the coutry fighting back. Does the right plan on smearing all of them, one by one or will they just say we are all crazy, al la Hitler?
August 22nd, 2005 at 1:10 pmYou’re right SpudgeBoy, Sheehan is not a liar. She’s a wacko. She thinks we dropped nukes in Iraq.
August 22nd, 2005 at 1:16 pm#56 - exact quote, please. Where did she say “nukes”? Spent uranium (and LOTS of it too!), maybe. But nukes?
August 22nd, 2005 at 1:18 pmShe didn’t say that CC. You spewing shit like that makes you look as dumb as NED. Prove Cindy Sheehan said that. I read everything she says publicly and she has never said anything like that.
Now she has come out against depleated uranium rounds being used. But, those are not nuclear bombs.
August 22nd, 2005 at 1:20 pmFYI, if anyone’s interested. Friend sent me an article which said, all military leaves were canceled after Sept. 7th. Leaves had to be taken before Sept 7th, or they didn’t get them. Also, all military recuiting stations have been order closed from 9/7/05.
August 22nd, 2005 at 1:21 pmAnyone have a reasonable explaination or does someone think something’s up?
Conspiracy theories?…………..Hell yes, since
‘the grassy knoll’
#50, careful. I don’t subscribe to the ‘minutemen’ position that is implied by the words ‘freedom fighters’ for the Iraqis. It is far more complicated than that. There’s no Mel Gibson rushing through the towns killing the evil Redcoats, here. At least the minutemen had a fairly decent statement of principles to go for (”all men are equal” except the black ones and oh yes the women - not that different from Sharia is it?).
But still, the Iraqi ‘insurgents’ agree on one thing: the Americans have overstayed their welcome. Some are willing to talk to the new regime and the Americans and some are not. In terms of realpolitik though, your comment is relevant and dimly understood by the American public, thus the bloodshed goes on without change - otherwise known as ’staying the course’.
August 22nd, 2005 at 1:23 pm#59 - Iran?
August 22nd, 2005 at 1:25 pmBut that is ALL you say - ad nauseum. I’m wearing blue today, but this is only time you will hear it and it isn’t a valid argument. Hello???? Entitled to certain advantages - the advantage of stating the obvious? I really don’t know how you find your way to work.
August 22nd, 2005 at 1:26 pmNeD, actually she is a republican that is embarrassed to say so now so she has proclaimed herself independent. I think that rocks!
August 22nd, 2005 at 1:27 pmNO WMD
NO Al Qadea link
No uranium
No Imminent threat
NO WAR!
DEMAND ACCOUNTABILITY!!
August 22nd, 2005 at 1:29 pmI just can’t understand how he can appear in public even.
August 22nd, 2005 at 1:39 pmAs someone with a conscience, I can’t imagine making so many lies that affect so many negatively, been caught in those lies, and just lying some more while sneering. Has the man no shame?
Bush fiddles while the US burns.
August 22nd, 2005 at 1:40 pm#60 I didn’t call them minutemen. They are far from mnute men. I as NED did, called them freedom fighters. You see, it is the word freedom that has many different meanings. Let’s look at home. Most Democrats think the abortion should be legal. They should be free to choose. Most Republicans think the abortion should not be free, so they blow up abortion clinics.
The Iraqi freedom fighters are fighting to be free to impose religious belief on all in the country, much like our current administration.
August 22nd, 2005 at 1:42 pmTsk, I feel the same way. I just CAN’T believe he is real. I just can’t believe it.
August 22nd, 2005 at 1:43 pmi feel a “terrorist†attack coming on if things dont start to get better for Bush.you remember what 9/11 did for his agenda and poll numbers right?
Yes, but it will be Freepers blowing up another federal building in OK. The government won’t have anything to do with it.
The current so called Compassionate Conservative republican sitting in the White House is a far cry from what Reagan, George Sr. and Richard Nixon were for their party. He is both inept and a follower being driven by the NEOCON warlords he mistakenly appointed. Little by little real conservative republicans are realizing they were duped by this man. These are the drops you are seeing in the polls.
Pat Buchanan was the first to see what GWB is really all about and what he would be doing to our country if elected. God help us, he was even re-elected.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1467744/posts#8
August 22nd, 2005 at 1:45 pmJesus and Spudge,
Cindy Sheehan, April 27, 2005 at a rally at San Francisco State: “We are waging a nuclear war in Iraq right now. That country is contaminated. It will be contaminated for practically eternity now.”
I assumed that when she said we are waging a nuclear war that she meant we were using nuclear weapons. How silly of me.
August 22nd, 2005 at 1:45 pmSheehan is a liar and will hurt more than Micheal Moore did when she is exposed.
Michael Moore has hurt, alright. He’s hurt Bush bad. And everything he claimed in his documentary was exposed as truth. Same with Cindy Sheehan. Sweat, bitches.
August 22nd, 2005 at 1:48 pmDude, 9-11 was completely bushco. They just didn’t realize how much damage was going to be done. They thought it would turn out like the first bombing. damage, and injuries. Why do you think every time we get close to Osama, we reduce troop size in afghan? Bin Laden, royal family of Saudi, and Bush family all together, and all making huge amounts of money on oil prices. War with Iraq, put money in Cheney’s pocket, revenge for assasination attempt on King George I, and screw China and French out of long term oil contracts with Iraq, been replaced by American oil companies.
Smell the coffee! If bin laden and bush weren’t together, why did he do a video tape just for bushies election?
August 22nd, 2005 at 1:49 pmIt’s not just him, its the religious fundamentalist right wing. They think they have a direct line to God and God is on their side! That’s why they can give Halliburton multi-billion $ no bid contracts, they’re doing God’s work. They have taken power here as they have in other countries. If we don’t fight to take the power back we are headed for disaster. We have stood meekly by for too long. ORGANIZE RESISTANCE!
August 22nd, 2005 at 1:50 pm#70 She is talking about depleated uranium you moron. Stop quoting out of context. She is not talking about nuclear bombs. Depleated Uranium is NUCLEAR.
Go do some fact checking. But, you won’t you’ll just keep blabbering bullshit.
August 22nd, 2005 at 1:51 pmDepleted uranium is not radio-active. However, it is highly toxic so the fact that it is a by product of nuclear fission makes her rhetorically correct. perhaps you would like to breathe some of it. I guaran-fucking-tee you it is more deadly than second hand smoke or even straight shots of Hummer exhaust.
August 22nd, 2005 at 1:52 pmC: “im not talking about some of the more out there theories like the missing plane at the pentagon.â€
Spudgeboy: You tell me where that plane is.
No, you tell me. If the plane didn’t crash into the Pentagon, where did it go? Flight 77 took off with 64 people on it. 64 people who are no longer around. If the plane didn’t crash into the Pentagon, where are these people?
Note: I’m not addressing the accuracy of the other 9/11 conspiracy theories, just the specific one that claims that something other than Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon.
August 22nd, 2005 at 1:53 pmBy the way, it’s pronounced nookular.
August 22nd, 2005 at 1:54 pmShouldn’t you trolls be over at Freep? You should be doing damage control and triage over there. You guys are hemhorraging to death. Save your side first. We are the enemy. You can try to brainwash us later.
August 22nd, 2005 at 1:55 pmAmericans are starting to wake up to only the question of why gases prices are up and costing them so much. Their employers are not willing to give them a raise, and the grocery store is giving NO discounts.
You and I know that our foreign situation is much much deeper than this, and it’s only gonna get catastrophically crazy very soon. Yet, the typical American won’t focus on it until the big bomb explodes in their backyard.
Until then, I realize that we have no President at this time. We have no one to stand up and gather the American people to say enough-is-enough. And remarkably I’m now considered an “Independant”…?
Cindy has fought the fight for a love she now only has in her heart, and a memory of when the American people once knew their country.
Times have certainly changed, and sadly, I don’t foresee any of our well gathered facts to be surfacing so Americans can once again feel at home.
Could we elect Cindy as our Presidential nominee? Sounds good to me, how about you?
Frankie
August 22nd, 2005 at 1:56 pmLong Beach, CA
#75
It is at the bottom of the ocean. Along with your brain.
August 22nd, 2005 at 1:56 pm#59
Could simply be a precaution since we are coming up on the 4 year anniversary of 9/11.
-W
August 22nd, 2005 at 1:59 pm#74 — sorry, I didn’t have my Cindy Sheehan decoder kit handy. Didn’t realize “waging a nuclear war” really meant “depleted uranium”.
Maybe she should try saying what she means, next time.
August 22nd, 2005 at 1:59 pmthis must be wacko central
August 22nd, 2005 at 2:00 pmRight, CC, the idea that a grieving mother would say something outrageous is just so beyond comprehension isn’t it? No grieving mother would ever say unreasonable things would she? Most grieving mothers never blame anyone, never lash out, never do anything but sit quietly and offer their support.
Because that’s what this is really about. Not whether invading Iraq was the right thing to do. It’s about whether grieving mothers should just sit down and shut up.
August 22nd, 2005 at 2:01 pm#79
So I guess that means you have no explanation.
August 22nd, 2005 at 2:02 pmShe fucking said Depleat Uranium. God you are a fucking idiot.
Shooting depleated uranium rounds is waging nuclear war.
It is the same thing. Just because you are too retarted to figure it out doesn’t mean Cindy SHeehan is a liar.
August 22nd, 2005 at 2:02 pm#84
I gave you an answer. Try reading it again.
August 22nd, 2005 at 2:03 pmConcerned Conservative.
The end is near for you and your ilk, please place your seat in the upright and locked position, grab your oxygen mask and pray. It’s your only remaining hope.
August 22nd, 2005 at 2:05 pm#70
Curious…do you have a link to an article/Website that lists this quote?
-W
August 22nd, 2005 at 2:05 pm#67 - Agreed, but ‘freedom fighters’ is easily extended to what Americans think of as freedom fighters. It is the same mistake that Michael Moore makes and left him open to attack. I know what you mean, one person’s terrorist is another person’s freedom fighter. And I agree with your simple fact, the Americans are viewed by most ordinary Iraqis as occupiers (expect the Kurds I think), and the ‘insurgency’ is aimed to a greater extent at sending them home so that they can do whatever they think they can get away with in their own country.
August 22nd, 2005 at 2:07 pmHowizit?
How is it that a Republican finally "gets it" on Iraq, but the Democrats can’t get it together?
August 22nd, 2005 at 2:07 pmSen. Chuck Hagel, a Vietnam vet, sees some similarities bewteen Iraq and and Vietnam.
"We should start figuring out how we get out o…
Citizen80203 got it right - we’ve got a Perfect Storm brewing here.
An Iraqi constitution railroaded through by Shi’ites and Kurds over Sunni objections (let the civil war begin!)
Record budget deficits, record trade deficits, soaring gas prices sure to push up inflation, a dollar plunging in value, a housing bubble ready to burst and leave millions with crushing debts (and don’t even think of declaring bankruptcy).
Add to the mix bitterly divided citizens and a delusional government. It’s going to be a bumpy ride.
Nero fiddles while Rome burns.
August 22nd, 2005 at 2:10 pmHow low can he go? I bet it’s going to pretty tough for fellow Republicans to pull victories in 06 and 08. They say Bush and his ilk are faith based. Funny thing about reality, just like death, it always catches up with you no matter what you believe in. Reality is certain. It’s a shame that American politicians spend so much time spinning reality and so little time trying to make this nation a better place.
August 22nd, 2005 at 2:13 pmNED–For once and all—-
The next comment you make on this blog should be made from Iraq as a soldier doing the things that you believe are an expression of love for this country and your fearless leader, George W.
If you continue to blog here without serving in Iraq to express your love for America that you like to rant about, we should from that point on refer to You in our replies as:
Operation Yellow Elephant: Member
or merely
Chickenhawk
So go on, put yer money where your mouth is and get yerself to Iraq to express some real good luv’in for your country! At the same time, you’ll help out your fellow Repubs fill their SUV’s and make some CEO’s at Halliburton and Raytheon alittle more pocket change.
August 22nd, 2005 at 2:14 pmI have an answer to the neocons’ attacks on Sheehan over her making “political” the death of her son:
Pat Tillman…
The neocons had to lie to Tillman’s parents about his death so they could have use of his image for their campaigns; but hey! when you’re on the “Right” side, you can do anything!!!
August 22nd, 2005 at 2:15 pm#87 — I got the Sheehan quote here: http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3.htm
August 22nd, 2005 at 2:21 pmHmm… this is a party-neutral question, so don’t jump down its throat.
What will GWB be able to claim as “something he has done to help America” in 2008?
August 22nd, 2005 at 2:21 pmAfter the “Bin Laden determined to strike in the US” briefing back in August of 2001, the President said he went FISHING. Get it?
August 22nd, 2005 at 2:23 pmNow on his summer reading list is a book titled “Plague”. Get it?
This WILL translate into Congressional victory for the Democrats in ‘06, but they will only be able to regain control of the Senate. The pendulum still has not swung back far enough for the House, and may not for another eight or ten years.
Of course, solid Democrat control of the Senate for the last 2 years of the Shrub “legacy” will mean no more of these ridiculous nominees getting through. It will also mean a heavy-duty investigation into Plame-gate. Unless of course Fitzgerald has already indicted Rove and Scooter by then. Which is quite possible, he’s the real deal when it comes to this stuff.
As for inDecision ‘08, the Democrats running a left-to-right crossing pattern are going to run smack into a John McCain clothesline, as he’s been posted solidly in the center for over a decade now.
McCain/Whitman ‘08 - America returns to sanity.
August 22nd, 2005 at 2:24 pm#89, I don’t think Hagel gets it at all. I think it is simply a sign of the GOP front cracking as the posuers who think they can run in 2008 start setting their store out. Look at Frist, he thinks stem cell research and ‘intelligent design theory’ are compatible with each other? Only in the ignorant world of American public opinion they are. Hagel has had enough opporunities to put his country before his party, don’t believe him now.
August 22nd, 2005 at 2:26 pmBearing in mind that Bush’s base support among Certifiables (the Bat Sh*t Crazies of the Evangelical Right who are immune to reason or Real World Factors) is in the range of 20-25%, the actual approval rate among the Sane is in the range of 11-16%. Many of these are probably wealthy Americans who are benefited by BushCo corporatism and tax breaks. Thus, among “average” sane Americans, Bush’s actual support may be less than 5%. This seems about right.
August 22nd, 2005 at 2:26 pm#99: Let’s ask Neddy which one he puts himself/herself in.
August 22nd, 2005 at 2:29 pm#97, same argument for McCain as for Hagel. He let you Americans down when he could have called a chimp and chimp.
August 22nd, 2005 at 2:30 pmTHE UTAH RAVE VIDEO
August 22nd, 2005 at 2:35 pmhttp://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/fascism.wmv
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/fascism.mov
Those do NOT look like police officers beating up on the kids. And a source inside the Utah government reports that this action was undertaken out of fear that the Rave would be used to rally support for the protest against Bush’s Utah visit. Is this enough? Need we wait to have another Kent State where American children are gunned down by other Americans in uniforms? Or can we finally see what this government has become? Take a good look at this video. This is the image of the USA the rest of the world sees. This is the Neocon dream for America.
John Q.,
Interesting point. I think that the power of the Oval Office combined with the strong influence the right-wing think tanks and mega media corporations have over public opinion play an essential role in painting a dishonest picture of the percentage of Americans that actually support this president. This is a fallacy and the polls clearly contradict that line or reasoning. If you can convince the people that Bush is reviled by a majority, it doesn’t seem so weird that he won two very questionable elections or that the exit polls defied logic last November.
August 22nd, 2005 at 2:40 pmplease substitute “revered” for reviled in my lats post.
August 22nd, 2005 at 2:42 pm[…] Think Progress » Bush: Less Popular Than Nixon During Watergate http://thinkprogress.org/ 2005/ 08/ 22/ bush-nixon/ trackback/ Comments (0) […]
August 22nd, 2005 at 2:43 pmOn the same weekend that Boy George excitedly pedaled his shiny new bicycle with Lance Armstrong, seemingly oblivious (or at least indifferent) to events outside his Crawford playhouse, the following tragedy befell our troops, who unlike Bush WEREN’T AWOL:
“Reuters — FOUR American soldiers were killed and THREE others seriously injured Sunday when a roadside bomb exploded under their vehicle in southern Afghanistan…”
Pedal faster, lil’ George! Boy, look at him go, with those handlebar streamers flappin’ in the wind… Wheeeeeeeeeee!
August 22nd, 2005 at 2:47 pm” Bush is the most inept pResident we have ever had” Comment by Jesus Christ God of WAR
Really? He’s kicked your butt on every issue from tax cuts on up. You lost get on with a life Christ.
August 22nd, 2005 at 2:48 pmbigbird,
I think JC God of War was being too kind. Bush and his regime will go down in history as a blight on mankind. They are murderers, thieves, tyrants and profiteers. They should all be put on trial for war crimes and crimes against humanity. Evil would be putting it mildly.
August 22nd, 2005 at 2:55 pmIf what Cindy Sheehan is doing speaks for America, why isn’t there one elected democratic Senator or Rep camped there as well? I think the answer will surprise you.
August 22nd, 2005 at 2:55 pmAll of your celebrating and headling of poll numbers will never undo the election. HA HA
August 22nd, 2005 at 3:05 pmRed,
State Senator Becky Lourey from Minnesota visited Crawford Cindy, not much but more than nobody.
Also:
“Congressman John Conyers, Democrat from Michigan wrote a letter to Mr Bush urging him to meet Sheehan. The letter was signed by 38 member of the House of Representatives all of whom are Democrats except Vermont’s Bernard Sanders, who is an Independent.”
I suppose it’s too hot a political potato for one and many beltway Democrats are cowards for two. What is your answer to this question?
August 22nd, 2005 at 3:06 pm[…] George W. Bush’s overall job approval ratings have dropped from a month ago even as Americans who approve of the way Bush is handling his job as president are turning more optimistic about their personal financial situations according to the latest survey from the American Research Group. Among all Americans, 36% approve of the way Bush is handling his job as president and 58% disapprove. When it comes to Bush’s handling of the economy, 33% approve and 62% disapprove. […]
August 22nd, 2005 at 3:07 pmmmmm I seem to rmember that Bush was reading to a class of children on September 11th, but the book was upside down - seems like someone was full of nerves that morning?? Also #102, I never thought to get a gun, but maybe the forefathers were right, maybe you do need to arm yourself…..against your government! Scary!
August 22nd, 2005 at 3:21 pmWhen I think about 9/11 one thing continues to bother me, and I may just be misinformed here. In the time it took for the jet liners to fly from Boston to New York and Washington, not one fighter jet was in the air. Not one! I haven’t accused the Bush administration of being behind 9/11, but it makes you wonder.
Again, if I’m misinformed then I apologize ahead of time.
COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY
August 22nd, 2005 at 3:40 pmDan G, check out the convenient wargames that they planned for 9/11. they made sure 9/11 was a success.your not misinformed, in fact, you dont even know the half of it.
August 22nd, 2005 at 3:56 pmSure, I’ll just mosey on down to Cheyenne Mountain, knock on the door and ask if I can take a look around. hey cynical moron, you dont have to go to Cheyenne Mountain to get public information. its not my fault your primary source of news is CNN and the like.
August 22nd, 2005 at 4:02 pmGODBUSH reigns SUPREME!
August 22nd, 2005 at 4:02 pmalso, you assume Bin Laden cant work with the CIA. oh wait, its been proven he has in the past.
August 22nd, 2005 at 4:04 pmAnd yes, being attacked by commercial airliners will confuse the hell out of any air defense system. i actually agree with this statement. there was a reason there were so many “inserts” on the satellite that day. why dont you look into it before assuming things.
August 22nd, 2005 at 4:06 pmand to SpudgeBoy, its not out there to me, i should have said out there to most people. i dont claim to know what hit the pentagon ,there has been no proof of what did. i do find it interesting that the FBI confiscated the survellience footage of all nearby buildings.
August 22nd, 2005 at 4:08 pmWhere is the plane that hit the pentagon? Please help
August 22nd, 2005 at 4:10 pm[…] Well, it looks like Bush has sunk to even lower lows in the latest ARG poll via ThinkProgress. George W. Bush’s overall job approval ratings have dropped from a month ago even as Americans who approve of the way Bush is handling his job as president are turning more optimistic about their personal financial situations according to the latest survey from the American Research Group. Among all Americans, 36% approve of the way Bush is handling his job as president and 58% disapprove. When it comes to Bush’s handling of the economy, 33% approve and 62% disapprove. […]
August 22nd, 2005 at 4:11 pmit landed in Cleveland. true story. look it up.look at local media reports from that day. seriously.
August 22nd, 2005 at 4:12 pmIf it landed in cleveland what was that that happened to the pentagon?
August 22nd, 2005 at 4:20 pm#97 — The Democrats need to take over the House so that impeachment of a lot of them can start to take place.
#109 — Sheehan asked that the Democrats not go to Crawford so as not to make it a political scene. That’s what I was told two Saturday’s ago when I traveled to Crawford and sat within 15 feet of Cindy.
She is doing fine without the help of other Democrats. She is getting Americans down there that are worried about the war. Politicians will just get in the way.
August 22nd, 2005 at 4:25 pmTo all you conservative bush supporters, what happens when the death toll exceeds the lives that were lost in the 9/11 attack?
Thousands of lives and billions of dollars later, will it be worth it?
How could you say you support the troops when they are dying for what was a fabricated reason.
Convieniently now, its for liberation. Skull and bones are not that interested in liberation. Remember slavery. Why should we stay the course. Haven’t enough people died?
Support the troops, bring them home.
August 22nd, 2005 at 4:34 pmThe War was based on lies. It has turned into a catastrophe due to incompetent planning. Bush is the emperor with no clothes and his close advisors are living in a state of denial, in cloud-cuckoo land. The polls spell increasing trouble for the Administration yet no courageous Democrat has emerged to espouse the anti-war cause. Howard Dean, where are you?
August 22nd, 2005 at 4:48 pmBush, Rove, DeLay, Bolton, Cheney, Rumsfeld…….they all have to go. The only one that had any sense was Powell. Trust me, he resigned because his integrity would have been at stake had he continued to hang with the group above. His speech to the UN was the straw that broke his back. Trumped up war on trumped up reasons. Why is it the neocons can’t smell the coffee burning on the stove? Are they really that ignorant?
August 22nd, 2005 at 4:54 pmMyriad of Musings on A Monday
Choice blogging from The WB42 5:30 Report with Doug Krile.
August 22nd, 2005 at 4:56 pmIt’s not a question of if we’ll get hit again, it’s when. Jr and co. have been so focused spending our money propping him up as a “war president” to win the 2004 election that we don’t have the resources to protect ourselves at home. But who cares? Smirk looks kinda cute in his fighter pilot costume….
August 22nd, 2005 at 4:58 pmWhether justified or not, I don’t doubt that the terror level will be raised soon - Bushie needs a boost.
August 22nd, 2005 at 5:04 pmC, I have read many theories about 9/11, and maybe I am just too repulsed to think it was an “inside” job, but I could be persuaded that they were “willfully” asleep as you say.
#39, what the hell is Sheehan lying about? Her son is not really dead? The war is really a “noble” cause? Drudge reported a false story — later it disappeared from his site. (he doesn’t retract either).
#56, We HAVE used depleted uranium tipped rockets in Iraq. That’s a fact.
Interesting comparision of W to Nixon. The big different you didn’t note… 88% approval rating by Bush’s own party compared to 67% by Nixon’s and the highest compared to all of the others (Clinton, Reagon and Nixon).
The Republican’s still love him more than ever.
August 22nd, 2005 at 5:05 pmBush is way less popular than any president at this time in his second term — but that doesn’t make any difference. He can’t be elected again — we are stuck for 3 more years UNLESS we win the congress in 2006, then it will be katie-bar-the-door (I hope) and alll the crooks will be indicted. So we should concentrate on being UNITED in voice, and hold the media to fair reporting, and if politicians are too cowardly to stand up against the crap that will rain on them from the powers that be in the W.H., then we will have to act from the grass roots, and embarrass them into aciton. Who’s going to Washington DC 9/24?
August 22nd, 2005 at 5:08 pmDo you guys understand how ridiculous we sound to the rest of America when we talk about Bush orchestrating “‘terrorist’” attacks??!! Say he’s got bad policy, say he could do more to protect us, but for the love of pete, shut the F up about the government working w. Bin Laden.
August 22nd, 2005 at 5:08 pmTHE VERDICT IS IN, THE DEBATE OVER: AMERICA SUPPORTS CINDY SHEEHAN!
SAN MATEO JOURNAL NEWSPAPER POLL
“Do you agree with Cindy Sheehan?”
~YES: 73%
~NO: 23%
~NOT SURE: 4%
http://www.smdailyjournal.com/ poll_results.php?id=18&opinion=Yes
WRAL-TV POLL, AUG. 21
~Sheehan is noble & right: 52%
~Son’s death is sad, but her methods wrong: 8%
~One Bush visit is enough: 11%
~She’s over-the-top, I don’t agree with her: 28%
http://www.wral.com/news/4480836/detail.html
AMERICAN RESEARCH GROUP POLL
August 22nd, 2005 at 5:11 pmBush Approval Rating
~AUGUST 2005: 36% (6 point drop in one month)
~JULY 2005: 42%
~NIXON/WATERGATE/SUMMER OF 1973: 39%
http://americanresearchgroup.com/economy/
Chimpeach.
August 22nd, 2005 at 5:21 pmSaddam declared death to all Americans many, many times. That’s 284,000,000 last census count. Bush saved 284,000,000 rear-ends and only 58-60 million voted for Senator Jughead. Not bad. Thanks to Bush you’re still around to enjoy your “lies”.
August 22nd, 2005 at 5:32 pmSam, you need to do some more investigating before you dismiss this particular “theory”. It may sound far-fetched….but it’s not. As C has been saying, look into it and get back to us.
August 22nd, 2005 at 5:34 pmBetter look again–the constitution is still on “hold”. —and things were going so well in Iraq!
August 22nd, 2005 at 6:14 pmBush saved no one. Bush wants to save only his own ass. Don’t put anything beyond an ignorant Texas (adopted) Redneck. They don’t think - they “believe” and if he thinks “GOD” wants him to do “it” -what ever “it” is he will. You heard that charlatan Robertson call for an assassination today - there is nothing these right wing direct “T1 Broadband to God” Christians won’t do. EXCEPT THINK! Grab your hats and your asses - we are in for a rough ride.
August 22nd, 2005 at 6:18 pmAh, statistics. My father used to say that there are three kinds of lies: Lies, Damned lies, and Statistics.
According to Wikipedia, 42% of the population voted in 2004, and Bush got almost 51% of the vote. That works out to: 21% of the population voted for Bush.
Now, we’re told, 38% of the population approves of the way Bush is handling his job.
I’ll let you draw your own conclusions from these statistics.
August 22nd, 2005 at 6:39 pmSaddam declared death to all Americans many, many times. That’s 284,000,000 last census count. Bush saved 284,000,000 rear-ends and only 58-60 million voted for Senator Jughead. Not bad. Thanks to Bush you’re still around to enjoy your “liesâ€.
Comment by giantbird — August 22, 2005 @ 5:32 pm
Did IQs drop sharply while I was away? Damn straight! They took a bleedin’ nose dive!
August 22nd, 2005 at 7:13 pmPlease! Who cares who did what to whom and when on 9/11! If you care about that, get the GOP in prison first! Or at least out of office. Even then it ain’t going to be easy to prove diddly! It’s much more important to put some reps in office who will represent the people of this country, not the special interests and corporations! Then you might get a meaningful investigation. Running on the tin foil hat party ain’t going to get you elected.
August 22nd, 2005 at 7:18 pmConspiracy theorists dissecting 9/11 don’t understand how power works. Business (where my experience is) and Politicians utilize “policy” and the “advantage of adversity” to further their goals.
It works like this:
A policy of spending cuts and inaction creates a lack of resources, a stressing concern by people about their job security, a stressing concern by people about how to get their jobs done with less resources, and finally deficiencies in the quality of work being done. Things slip through the cracks (example: the 9/11 hijackers). Now here’s where it gets interesting …
Smart people take advantage of good times. Rich people take advantage of bad times - of adversity. Hence you have a war for oil and empire (to open up free markets) in Iraq justified by the adversity (9/11).
Clean, simple, and it’s a self-fulfilling phrophecy:
Restrictions >lead to> Inaction >to> Deficiencies >to> Problems (adversity) >to> Solutions provided by those in power >to> Payday for the solution providers.
Talk about job creation!
August 22nd, 2005 at 7:29 pmWhat a bunch of fucking morons you Liberals are. I would love to refute all your ignorant ramblings, but it has become very tiresome. I am not afraid of Islamic Fascists destroying this country, but of the Liberal Left. Think rationally for once in your spoiled, sheltered little lives.
August 22nd, 2005 at 7:30 pmI linked to this article via Huffington Post, and looked forward to reading the comments. After all, there’s nothing like lively, intelligent debate.
And this is nothing like it.
Christ, this is as looney-tunes a discussion as you’ll find on any right wing site.
Pathetic. Truly, truly pathetic.
August 22nd, 2005 at 7:52 pmshehan lied by denying she wrote her son “died for israel” if you want facts check liberal slate magazine
August 22nd, 2005 at 7:54 pmIMPEACH Bush for HIS “Noble” WAR — that’s all I have to say. The Democrats need to start this process, even if they do not control the Senate or Congress, and there’s no chance of this seeing the light of day. Some Democrat needs to show some backbone. It’s alright to be against the war Democrats! This war is not making this country safer, it’s doing the exact opposite. Do something so people can believe in your Party again! If the Democrats just sit around and say Bush needs an exit strategy, they’re no better. Leaders get paid to lead, so LEAD this country out of this war and towards peace.
August 22nd, 2005 at 8:11 pm[…] For what seems like the 10,000th time, a new poll has Bush’s numbers lower - this time lower than Richard Nixon during Watergate. Will somebody please tell the media? Will somebody please tell them that no longer is the story about our brave, fearless commander-in-chief struggling against terrorists with his own bare hands abroad and evil left-wing nuts domestically, but rather it is the same story that many of us have seen since November 2000: An ill-prepared and ill-suited ideologue that is out of ouch with the populace who has dithered and dawdled resulting in horrible decisions that have now led to the deaths of thousands. […]
August 22nd, 2005 at 8:18 pma missle? a drone? another plane? i dont know, i would never claim to know. i wouldnt doubt that it actually did hit the pentagon,im no structural engineer, i was just saying, look at the local news reports from 9/11 in Cleveland, if you can find them archived. before the story changed, it was widely reported that flight 77 landed in Cleveland.im not making this up, ive seen the news reports.you have to remember, local news reports are so important to get your hands on after major events like 9/11, because they dont have a chance to stick to the “official” story if they dont quite know it all yet.remember all of the news reports the day of 9/11 saying there were multiple explosions coming from the towers?Fox,NBC,ABC, they all said there were multiple explosions. remember how the “official” story changed to exclude any possibility of secondary explosions? despite the fact that a janitor who worked there by the name of William Rodriquez saved a man from the BASEMENT of the world trade center with flesh and blood hanging from his body.NBC interviewed William Rodriquez but decided not to air the interview inexplicably.
August 22nd, 2005 at 8:48 pm#95
That Drudge Report is quoted out of context go read the whole fucking story you moron. You will notice the Drudge Report has not links in it. Why? SO it can be spun. She was/is talking about DEPLEATED URANIUM ROUNDS, which are NUCLEAR.
Get a fucking clue.
August 22nd, 2005 at 9:19 pmfun fact: George H.W. Bush sat on the board of the Carlyle Group with Shafig Bin Laden. Osamas blood brother. oh yeah, and they had a meeting together on September 11,2001 at the Ritz Carlton Hotel in Washington.check the CBC and the London Observer.they had the guts to print this fact while most of our media completely ignored it like everything else having to do with 9/11.
August 22nd, 2005 at 9:26 pm#125
What hit the Pentagon was a much smaller fight plane. It was a decomissioned plane. The wheel hubs they found were only around 2 feet across. Much too small to be a large passenger plane.
August 22nd, 2005 at 9:54 pmAnyone know why the British Pound Gapped down an fell five consecutive days preceding the Tube Bombings? Pure coincidence I am sure. A month later and the pound has fully recovered to where it was five days prior to the bombing. Sell the roumour buy the news. This was obviously a very poorly kept secret in the Financial Markets. To move a currency even one percent requires billions of dollars. Who knew, when did they know, how did they know, and how much did they make on the trade. Some people made billions off this “inside” information and I do not think they were muslim fundamentalists. You don’t need a conspiracy theory, you only need to follow the money……
August 22nd, 2005 at 9:54 pmOne airliner, hijacked on US soil, crashed into any target, and killing a hundred or two hundred people would have been enough to justify the “war on terror”. There is therefore no motivation to orchestrate a complicated conspiracy of multiple attacks with thousands killed.
That said, policy conducive to allowing a tragedy like 9/11 to occur is passive - it works by creating a climate of inaction rather than taking specific actions. It cannot forsee the grandness of the tragedy that is going to occur.
A really good conspiracy is almost impossible to prove because it follows the passive pattern:
1. Cut back preventive actions as justified by economic restraints
August 22nd, 2005 at 10:01 pm2. Wait for the tragedy to occur all by itself
3. Take advantage of the resulting adversity
Clinton’s lowest poll numbers was 37% and this from a guy who NEVER took a sand on any controversial issue, a guy who avoided real issues to stay popular so I don’t think it’s any big deal. It is not like the Dems have made any gains off of it.
BTW source for the Clinton numbers is: http://www.cookpolitical.com/column/1999/061299.php from Behind Clinton’s Approval Ratings
By Charlie Cook
© National Journal
June 12, 1999
I remember how the Dems imploded in ‘68 and in’72 where they fractured their party and got creamed in the national elections. The anti-war protesters ripped that party apart. Funny how history repeats itself.
Love Billy
August 22nd, 2005 at 10:03 pmTo Foreman,
A lot of hedge funds and speculative traders have billions of dollars. They can buy / sell stocks, currencies, and commodities and create a price momentum up or down and then take advantage of that momentum once all the small traders jump on board and further the price gains or losses:
1. They sell. the price goes down.
August 22nd, 2005 at 10:12 pm2. Others get worried, sell, and the price goes down further.
3. They buy and the price goes up.
4. Others see the price go up, buy in, and the price keeps rising.
5. Go back to number 1 and do it all again.
It should be no suprise, Bush has failed in every venture he has tried. And TIME WOUNDS ALL HEELS.
August 22nd, 2005 at 10:20 pm“im talking about OBVIOUS things that people like you just dont want to believe. read “Crossing The Rubicon†by Micheal Ruppert, and some of David Ray Griffins work. these people have no agendas” comment by C
No agenda?
August 22nd, 2005 at 10:26 pmhttp://www.fromthewilderness.com/about.html
http://www3.sympatico.ca/ron666/ruppert.html
I loved CNN presents’ special “‘Dead Wrong:’ Inside an Intelligence Meltdown” haha
Everything they presented showed a leadership meltdown, not an intelligence meltdown - but I guess they couldn’t put that right on the cover.
Regardless, even if you agree with the administration’s war in Iraq, they are failing to decrease acts of terrorism, failing to increase oil output and failing to install a free market democracy - certainly when measured against the cost of the war its been a bad investment.
Whether you agree or disagree with the policy, its failed leadership. Any level-headed board of directors would have fired the CEO by now.
August 22nd, 2005 at 10:47 pmI find it amazing that there are still some people (even around 12% of supposedly democrats!) who could answer with a straight face that they approve of the job he is doing! They can say to themselves “Yes, this is what i want from my president”. It boogles the mind!
August 23rd, 2005 at 12:28 am“Did IQs drop sharply while I was away?”
Comment by Ripley
No, but the minute you returned they took that bleedin’ nose dive!”
August 23rd, 2005 at 12:34 amA large jet plane did hit the Pentagon. Just ask any of the Washingtonians who were on the road that day passing the Pentagon. I personally know two of them - one was traumatized severely by the sight. It was witnessed and felt by many of the apartment dwellers who lived across from the Pentagon. It was seen and heard by many of the people who live in the flight path for National (Reagan) airport who heard a large jet flying in on a wrong flightpath and the sound of the engines that were accelerating. The Pentagon is many levels below ground level and the plane went deep into these levels. Tapes are always seized by law enforcement when they show a crime and the tapes could give clues to who perpetrated the crime.
August 23rd, 2005 at 12:40 amArguing about whether W knew about 9/11 beforehand is a red herring. In all probability he did not know. In case you haven’t noticed, W doesn’t know much about anything.
The argument I’ve mainly seen in this thread is that “Bushco” knew, not “Bush” — Bushco I take to be a vague term referring to unspecified operators behind Bush, not Bush himself — some within the govt, but probably most being outside contractors, or puppetmasters not actually in the govt.
People who can’t ge their head around it, just google “false flag”, “operation gladio”, Learn some well-known terms in the field of psyops — such as “legend” and “patsy”. Then read about Dominionists , read the Yurica report (a great website). And for Christ sake, wake up.
August 23rd, 2005 at 12:46 am