Pat Robertson Needs To Update His Website
By on Aug 23rd, 2005 at 10:26 am
Pat Robertson Needs To Update His Website
On August 22, Pat Robertson called for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez. This appears to be in conflict with some of his earlier teachings that appear on his website:
God Almighty wants to protect life and have everyone walk the streets without fear of being murdered. — Pat Robertson
Life has become more and more cheap in the society we live in. But God says you shall not murder. — Pat Robertson
The moral foundations that taught us to value life are crumbling under our feet. — Pat Robertson
I’m sure patrobertson.com 2.0 will clear this all up.
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Also: Televengelist Pat Robertson is OFFICIALLY a oily neocon:
“[Assassination] is a whole lot cheaper than starting a war … and I don’t think any OIL SHIPMENTS will stop.â€
Aha!
August 23rd, 2005 at 10:32 amOK, sport fans, how do you plan to get this story into the So-Called ‘Librul’ Media? Shouldn’t someone care that this one-time presidential candidate is calling for the murder of democratically elected leaders?
August 23rd, 2005 at 10:34 ammister big, that’s mighty christian of you…
August 23rd, 2005 at 10:36 amCome on Fox. Where is your fair and balance coverage on this crap?
August 23rd, 2005 at 10:40 amLucky Venezuelans, living in a country where the ultra-right oligarchs have no power, and the people have free public health care, free education from the oil money.
Also, lucky guys, their their leader was elected (and re-elected) in a U.N. supervised election and 7 subsequent referenda. He enjoys 70% popularity today.
http://www.politicalaffairs.net/ article/ articleview/ 1707/ 1/ 32/
I’d like to call a referenda of support for fraudulently elected Mr. George 36% Bush right this minute.
We should go to Venezuela and sign up for lessons in Democracy.
August 23rd, 2005 at 10:43 amhttp://www.ejscoffeelounge.us/rev1_howmanymore.mp3
August 23rd, 2005 at 10:50 am[…] The unimaginably high concentration of amoral nutjobs masquerading as “religious” icons. How can anyone take these jokers seriously? […]
August 23rd, 2005 at 10:51 amFor more of the amazing utterances and staggering hypocrisy of Pat Robertson and friends, see:
“The American Taliban.”
August 23rd, 2005 at 10:58 amOK, sport fans, how do you plan to get this story into the So-Called ‘Librul’ Media? Shouldn’t someone care that this one-time presidential candidate is calling for the murder of democratically elected leaders?
… actually, the quote in its entirety was played on CNN this morning … and Miles O’B actually said something about Robertson breaking a Commandment … color me shocked.
August 23rd, 2005 at 11:01 amGOP: “Killing people is bad. Unless it’s in self defense. But not if it’s euthanizing someone in pain. Unless they’re on death row. But not if they’re a fetus. Except during a war. Unless it’s Terry Schiavo. Except if she converts to Islam. Unless she repents and confesses. Except if she confessed she’s gay. Unless…”
And you thought John Kerry waffled…
August 23rd, 2005 at 11:06 amI saw it on the morning news.
God needs to clear up the confusion on that whole, “Thou shall not kill” thing.
August 23rd, 2005 at 11:07 amNo, John Kerry flip-flopped. Clinton waffled. I know, it’s hard to keep all that straight sometimes. When I get confused I check Doonsebury.
August 23rd, 2005 at 11:08 am#9 - well ‘I’ll go to the foot of our stairs’ even the SCLM picked it up. And Miles O’B has grown up from waving those Space Shuttle models around on Saturday mornings. I found it on Bloomberg and Yahoo already. Anybody sending their 700 Club donations back again, that would be a good followup? The GOP sending their Christian Coalition dollars back again yet? Dick Durbin was castigated for using the Nazi comment, come on Pat how about a tearful apology?
August 23rd, 2005 at 11:16 amHugo Chavez is a goy, so it’s a ‘go’ to kill him. He doesn’t count.
I asked God, and He told me that He told Pat that it’s ok; so there you have it.
Can’t argue with that.
Hugo should join the Republican Party, then he’d be safe and would have no need to worry.
Gas is fourteen cents a gallon in Venezuela; there in lies the rub.
August 23rd, 2005 at 11:18 amRobertson recently called on God to “open up another seat on the Supreme Court” so his latest isn’t that bad, is it? Atleast he is calling on God to target non-Americans this time!
And now I would like to call on God to save us all from the American Taliban!
August 23rd, 2005 at 11:20 amActually, I asked a conservative about this once. He said that the commandment really was “Thou shalt not murder,” and that murder was different than killing because it’s not murder if the killing is justified.
Pretty big loophole, there. “Thou shalt not kill, except when thou shouldst.” Thanks, God, that clears it all up.
August 23rd, 2005 at 11:24 amSomeone please remind me: Pat’s speeches differ from some of the rabid Muslim Imams in what way? Can you say American Taliban? Can you say Mullah Pat Robertson?
I don’t understand how “christians” can feel so self rightous. How can they really believe that they are more “blessed” than anyone else on the planet? Is that Jesus “blessed” them with a blond haired big h**tered wife, 2.5 kids, a HUGE SUV, and a nice house in the ‘burbs? What? What makes them oh so bloody special?
I just don’t get it. These people have all been duped and they can’t even see it. Fools. Poor ignorant fools.
August 23rd, 2005 at 11:28 amAh, TP, you forget the whole MLK, civil rights thing passed Pat by. All that stuff you quoted… Pat really means it - except it only applies to white folks. But not gays of course.
August 23rd, 2005 at 11:28 amIs Pat Robertson an employee of BushCIA, given the job of slipping the assassination idea into mainstream consciousness to make it acceptable. Desensitization to gov violence. Like the assassination of De Menzes fellow in London. Apparently he was shot 7 times in the head while being held down in his seat by several undercover special forces. He had taken his seat after grabbing a newspaper and getting on the train, in a light denim jacket, on his way to work. All the reasons for killing him were fabrications. So why assassinate him? Desensitization of the population allows the work to be done more and more openly, removing civil rights, silencing dissent, terrorizing the population. It makes one ask the question who are the terrorists?
August 23rd, 2005 at 11:29 amIt makes one ask the question who are the terrorists?
Comment by cmw
… didn’t you get the memo? it’s the brown folk. like the Brazilian on the London Tube.
August 23rd, 2005 at 11:31 amLooks like ole Pat has taken a trip to bat sh*t insane town. Keep talking, Pat…
August 23rd, 2005 at 11:32 amPat is one more proof of Unintelligent Design. Way to bolster the Left Pat. Keep tryin’ to squeeze the camel through that needle’s eye on your way to Heaven.
August 23rd, 2005 at 11:32 am“Hugo should join the Republican Party, then he’d be safe and would have no need to worry.”
Really? Ask McCain and the other Repubs who cross Bush Inc. The only safety is in being to the right of wherever Bush Jr. stands.
I wonder if Bush Sr. stays up nights worrying about whether he’s crossed Junior and Bar?
August 23rd, 2005 at 11:33 am#23,
I’m sure he sleeps with one eye open.
August 23rd, 2005 at 11:36 amcmw, the closer we get to a police state, and the more “terror” attacks that occur, the more painfully obvious it will be who actually are the “terorists”. always.blame.al-qaeda. i dont know how long these fools expect that to work.
August 23rd, 2005 at 11:37 amremember the initial reports of the man killed in the tube? he was “allegedly” a part of al-qaeda early on in the coverage as well. HAHAHAHAHA, please.
August 23rd, 2005 at 11:38 amMSNBC website has poll on this. Asks question “Did Pat Robertson go too far in calling for assassination?”
The choices are Yes, No, Not Sure
Now that just about says it all about mainstream media.
If you have to ask that question “..go too far…” America is already lost. The “terrorists” whoever they are, gov, foreign, have already won. Just bring the troops home now, cause there ain’t no truth or democracy here or there.
August 23rd, 2005 at 11:39 amSorry forgot to point out that daddy’s pal got junior released ON BAIL! http://www.airportbusiness.com/ article/ article.jsp?id=3072&siteSection=5
August 23rd, 2005 at 11:42 amWant to understand the hypocrisy and seemingly twisted view of the right? Read this:
http://www.rockridgeinstitute.org/ projects/ strategic/ nationasfamily/ sfworldview/ view?searchterm=right
It’s the difference between a “Strict Father†view (the right) and a “Nurturing Parent†view (the left).
Read this book “Don’t Think of an Elephant†by George Lakoff. Finally the left is getting their sh*t together and is starting to understand the right. Now if we can translate that into wins in ’06 and ’08!!
August 23rd, 2005 at 11:42 amNo need to spin your wheels here. Ask Pat the definition of hypocrite.
http://www.cbn.com/ 700club/ features/ BringItOn/ askpat.asp
August 23rd, 2005 at 11:44 amFirst, they came for the dirty Democrats, but I wasn’t a dirty Democrat, so I didn’t speak up. Then they came for the dirty rat, anti-war, anti-American dissenters, but I’m not one of those dregs, so I didn’t speak up. Then they came for the slaves, but I wasn’t a slave, so I didn’t speak up. Then they came for the indentured servants, so I didn’t speak up. Then they came for the apostate Republicans, but I’m not anything of the sort, so I didn’t speak up. Then they came for the Venezuelans, but I’m not one of them, so I didn’t speak up. Then they came for God, but I’m no god, so I didn’t speak up. Then they came for Jesus, even if he sits on the right hand of God, but I’m no Jesus, so I didn’t speak up. Then, they came for the Holy Spirit, who sits on the left hand of God, but I’m nothing like the Holy Spirit, so I didn’t speak up. Then they came for the humans, but there was nobody left to speak up.
Finally, they came for Peace, but there was no Peace left, just war, and now all we have is senseless bickering.
“Living is a crock of shit.”- Kurt Vonnegut
August 23rd, 2005 at 11:51 amTHe Dreyling boy brought a pipe bomb (made just for fun) on board a flight was arrested but then released to his parents custody. He’s a fine young man they say, boys will be boys you know. Meanwhile a young baby is on the no fly list http://www.kctv5.com/Global/story.asp?S=3724379
And homeland security gets how much?
Hopefully the Dreyling boy will be allowed to fly in the future and that baby arrested.
August 23rd, 2005 at 11:51 amRobertson and others of his ilk have learned that we really are stupid.
August 23rd, 2005 at 12:03 pm“We should go to Venezuela and sign up for lessons in Democracy” — Darth F.
Perhaps one of the stupider comments I’ve read here. And that’s saying something. Venezuela will be the next Cuba. But hey, they’ve got free healthcare. It sucks, but it’s free.
August 23rd, 2005 at 12:04 pmWhere are all the trolls? They aren’t around so much anymore. They seem to jump in, rant and run. They seem very scared and cornered.
August 23rd, 2005 at 12:08 pmDear Concerned Conservative: Are you concerned that many high-profile conservatives seem to be nuts?
August 23rd, 2005 at 12:09 pmConcerned Conservative
what do you really know about Venezuala? They voted for Chavez. We tried to overthrow him, a freely elected leader, but he outwitted us. He’s turning land back to the small farmers - land that was stolen years ago by ruling families - he won a second election in the face of US funded right wing oligarchy trying to unseat him.
Unlike our President who was handed the Presidency by the supreme court illegally, and whose second election win is highly questionable based on what is coming out in Ohio voting machine scandal.
I think you have your glasses on backwards.
We are the ones who don’t have a democracy.
August 23rd, 2005 at 12:10 pmCC, health care in the US is expensive. I can’t afford it. I hope I don’t become seriously ill or injured, my life will be over. That sucks even more.
August 23rd, 2005 at 12:14 pmCC, please watch a DVD called “The Revolution Will Not Be Televised”. Then come back and tell us what you saw. OK?
August 23rd, 2005 at 12:17 pmThis is the same guy whose real estate development arm was able to get some pork from the transportation bill. From the Virginia Pilot on August 4, 2005: Robertson’s CBN “$10.8 million toward construction of a new local interchange along Interstate 64.
No road exists to connect with the proposed interchange, but if planners working for the Christian Broadcasting Network have their way, there will be one.
The interchange, between Indian River Road in Virginia Beach and Greenbrier Parkway in Chesapeake, is envisioned as a gateway to a planned development of houses, stores and offices ” Best of all VDOT doesn’t want the interchange. This little gift to Robertson for an exit to no where to a development that doesn’t exist is just par for the course, so don’t expect anyone in Congress to stand up and ask Robertson to apologize or anything like that.
August 23rd, 2005 at 12:26 pmIdlecrank
August 23rd, 2005 at 12:29 pmRight on. And wasn’t there something about owning gold mines in Africa and slave labor?
#27 - just checked out that f*cking ridiculous poll. 16% apparently think Robertson did NOT go far enough.
BTW, I totally agree with you. If that’s the MSM standard these days, we perhaps need to be fighting a GWOT on ourselves.
But anyways, it’s summer, so in the spirit of sh*ts and giggles, I suggest the following freeper poll for the lunatic 16% (so far):
When you indicated that assassinating Hugo Chavez did not go far enough, did you mean we should:
(a) Invade Venezuela, ‘cos the military and KBR are just gagging for more work.
August 23rd, 2005 at 12:31 pm(b) Bomb the crap out of them until they realise America won’t allow a popular guy like Chavez to mess with Exxon.
(c) Just nuke ‘em. Caracas and Havana. All in the same anti-big business ballpark.
cmw,
This Wiki site is a great Pat Robertson jump off point. Be careful not to read it at night, it will scare you.. http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pat_Robertson
August 23rd, 2005 at 12:37 pmPat Robertson is a fool of the worst kind - one whose every utterance does harm to the causes he supports.
If Robertson would stick to his ministry calling he at worst would be a harmelss fool. But when he meanders into polictics and policy matters, he does far more harm than good.
August 23rd, 2005 at 12:44 pmPat, just another old wind bag. He should clearly and definitively be pointed out for the hypocrite that he is everytime he makes an appearnance. He should not even be invited to speak on any national news shows any longer. His views are so bizarre, they simply don’t make sense any longer, maybe he should retire.
Yes, that’s it. Pat Robertson needs to step down as the leader of his church and the 700 Club. How can a man of God wantingly and willingly advocate for the killing of a political opponent? It is time for an early retirement.
Any Christian, or actually any sane person should call for his resignation. Pat Robertson should be banished from any conversation of importance in America, his views are just too radical. This kind of talk cannot be tolerated any longer.
Pat must go!
August 23rd, 2005 at 12:52 pm#35
“But hey, they’ve got free healthcare. It sucks, but it’s free.”
My health care is expensive and it sucks. I would rather have free suck than expensive suck. Next.
August 23rd, 2005 at 12:53 pmTerry
August 23rd, 2005 at 12:55 pmwent to robertson’s website and found this quote
“I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.”
(Philippians 4:13)
Maybe a reporter could ask Robertson if the hit squad will dress in white robes?
I agree there. If only he stayed in his padded cell. But, he is deeply implicated in the huge swing to Christo-fascism in the Republican Party if you follow this trail http://www.theocracywatch.org/taking_over.htm#Decade
August 23rd, 2005 at 12:56 pmDumb Fox
August 23rd, 2005 at 12:59 pmAnother add on question could be -
“Did you mean we need to destroy Venezuala in order to save Halliburton?”
Each bullet will receive a special blessing after being dipped in holy water.
It will later become a Christian video game, a version of Grand Theft Auto approved for evangelical youth.
August 23rd, 2005 at 1:07 pm[…] Think Progress: Robertson Needs To Update His Website […]
August 23rd, 2005 at 1:10 pmPat Robertson calling for an assasinationi goes against everything I was taught as a child as to how Christians should even think. As a Christian you are not even supposed to think about killing someone. That is the same a Coveting Thy Neighbor. That is a thought crime. A sin of the brain if you will.
Pat is a disgrace to the Christian religion. The same morons that follow him, are the ones that voted Bush back in. Those people need to be rounded up and shot. Oops, did I just sin.
August 23rd, 2005 at 1:24 pmRobertson has added a new chapter to the Bible - The Assassines. “And they went down into the valley of Venezuala and slew the Chavez. After which they fasted for 40 days and nights and smoked hashish, and then moved on to Iran.”
The word assassine - it’s of middle eastern origin, I believe, and it has a root in the use of hashish by killers. I seem to recall this talked about back during the Bobby Kennedy assassination and Sirhan Sirhan.
August 23rd, 2005 at 1:26 pmPat, why not try killing Osama? Oh yeah. It was Saddam that blew up 3000+ people in New York. Sorry Pat, I forgot. We got Saddam. So who’s next? Oh yeah. Chavez. Sorry Pat, I forgot. He has the nerve to tell the US government to fuck off. Yeah, Chavez is next.
August 23rd, 2005 at 1:32 pmfrom Assassination to Prayer
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August 23rd, 2005 at 1:35 pmThe real scarry part is that there are millions and millions of Americans who follow this man and swallow and preach his garbage. It is almost like a ‘biblical’ plaque an epidemic of ignorance.
August 23rd, 2005 at 1:45 pmHugo Chavea responds:
http://news.yahoo.com/ s/ ap/ 20050823/ ap_on_re_la_am_ca/ robertson_assassination
Fight fundimentalism in whichever form it may take!
August 23rd, 2005 at 1:50 pmIf there’s a god, I’m a vermicios knid.
August 23rd, 2005 at 1:55 pm#58 - Nail. Head. Hit.
The basic problem with Amerikan Churchianity is the huge gap between what is believed and reality as it presents itself on a daily basis. The cognitive dissonance must be incredible within the “believers”. No wonder they’re so screwed up.
August 23rd, 2005 at 1:58 pmNo Andy, the real scary part is that there are millions and millions of Americans who actually think that Hugo Chavez’ Venezuela is a democratic paradise.
Robertson is an idiot, but Chavez is a murderous tyrant.
August 23rd, 2005 at 2:05 pmThe basic problem with Christianity is it takes what is symbolic and tries to make it literal. Christianity is spiritual materialism, the worship of the body and blood of christ. This is where the train went off the track way back in Rome in the first decades after christ supposedly lived and died.
Any religion that worships body and blood is bound to end up in love with assassination as the ultimate sacrifice.
August 23rd, 2005 at 2:07 pmDear Conservative, it is not for us to impose or export our model of democracy in other countries.
August 23rd, 2005 at 2:14 pmThe question of the day on MSNBC is STUPID!!!
August 23rd, 2005 at 2:17 pmWhat do they mean “Not sure” ? that Robertson is a deranged old fart who should keep his yap shut and retire out of sight?
I wonder how all the evangelicals of the land will address this — or will they be silent? My money is on the latter.
August 23rd, 2005 at 2:18 pmcmw — your comments are provocative. You make a logical point about the identity of terrorists, and desensitizing the rest of us to Robertson’s proposed activity.
August 23rd, 2005 at 2:21 pm#62 — agreed.
August 23rd, 2005 at 2:22 pmMr Roberts is a senile old goat who have forgotten the principles of the person he serves.
August 23rd, 2005 at 2:25 pmJesus said blessed are the peace makers…
I fail to see any proof of how declaring Hugo Chavez a “murderous tryant”.
OTOH, we have plenty of evidence that King George Bush has fallen squarely into that catagory.
Got Osama? Or is Pat Robertson trying to steer the MSM attention away from the festeringly oderous worm-filled obvious?
I can’t wait to hear the Great Whirling Howling MonkeyPalace Spin Machine declare that King George Il Bush has chosen Venezuela to be the next “take over” target… not!
August 23rd, 2005 at 2:26 pmSubstitute “George Bush’ for ‘Pat Robertson’ in this story, and the only difference is scale. Bush murders tens of thousands while Robertson speaks of one — what a piker. In other words, when you listen to a Christian fundamentalist you pretty much know what they’ll recommend, you just don’t know the scale of suffering they’re envisioning in their personal crusade to rectify the world.
August 23rd, 2005 at 2:29 pmCC - ‘murderous tyrant’ - please provide proof. Also list the number of times and dates you have been to Venezuela so we can compare if you have any facts about Venezuela at your disposal or not.
August 23rd, 2005 at 2:31 pm25% of the poll on AOL say they “respect” Robertson’s opinion. 34% dismiss it. Only 45% say they detest it.
August 23rd, 2005 at 2:31 pmStill wonder why the right-wing-nuts are so powerful? See them all piously pray in church next Sunday and rail against homosexuals.
I wonder, is anyone going to bring formal charges against self proclaimed president George W. Bush for Crimes agains Humanity, an ilegal war, and electoral fraud, at the very least? He and his cabinet should all be tried by an international court. Where were the UN observers during out electoral process?
August 23rd, 2005 at 2:35 pmWell, Bobby, come on. I mean, you gotta support Robertson on this one. Yes, granted, he may have over-stepped a little bit with calling for the assassination of a world leader, but without Robertson who will protect us from the gays? Who, might I remind you, are destroying the very fabric of American society?
August 23rd, 2005 at 2:36 pmIs gas really 14 cents a gallon in Venezuela?
–yes, after reading all that, that’s all I can think about.
August 23rd, 2005 at 2:49 pmHere’s the link to verify gas prices around the world from oil producing countries http://money.cnn.com/ pf/ features/ lists/ global_gasprices/ scroll to the bottom to see Venezuela.
August 23rd, 2005 at 2:56 pmTerry, see if this sounds like a tyrant to you: “Almost immediately after taking office in 1998, opposition leaders claim that Chavez took his first steps towards consolidating power of the Venezuelan state into his own hands. He organized a series of referenda. The first authorized re-writing the Venezuelan constitution. The second selected delegates to a Constitutional Assembly, distinct from his country’s legislature, to do the re-writing. The rules governing the election of the Constitutional Assembly featured a few non-standard items. Although no candidates, neither Chavez’s supporters nor his opposition, were allowed to run under party banners, Chavez used state funded media to campaign for the election of his supporters. This, combined with Chavez’s personal popularity, allowed Chavez supporters to win 120 of the 131 assembly seats.
The Constitutional Assembly, with the backing of Chavez, moved beyond re-writing Venezuela’s Constitution. In August of 1999, the assembly set up a “judicial emergency committee” with the power to remove judges without consulting any other branch of government. The New York Times quoted the judicial emergency committee chairman as saying, “The Constitutional Assembly has absolute powers. The objective is that the substitution of judges will take place peacefully, but if the courts refuse to acknowledge the assembly’s authority, we will proceed in a different fashion.”
In the same month, the assembly declared a “legislative emergency.” A seven-member committee was created to perform congressional functions, including law-making. The Constitutional Assembly prohibited the Congress from holding meetings of any sort. In a national radio address quoted in the Times, Chavez warned Venezuelans not to obey opposition officials, stating that “we can intervene in any police force in any municipality, because we are not going to permit any tumult or uproar. Order has arrived in Venezuela.”
The new constitution, increasing the President’s term of office by one year, increasing the power of the president in general, and placing new government restrictions on the media, among other things, was approved in a referendum held in December of 1999. Elections for the new, unicameral legislature were held in July of 2000. During the same election, Chavez stood for election again, restarting the clock on his Presidential term of office. Chavez supporters won roughly 60% of the seats in the new unicameral assembly. In November of 2000, he pushed a bill through the legislature allowing him to rule by decree for one year.
In December of 2000 there was another set of elections. During elections for local officials, Chavez added a referendum on dissolving Venezuela’s labor unions. Though it is unclear what authority was invoked, he attempted to consolidate all Venezuelan labor unions into a single, state controlled Bolivaran Labor Force.”
Some democracy, huh?
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TDC/Hugo_Chavez
As for being a murderer, try this: http://caracaschronicles.blogspot.com/ 2004/ 03/ la-muerte-de-jos-vilas.html
I have never been to Venezuela and don’t think I’ll be going anytime soon.
August 23rd, 2005 at 2:56 pm[…] Whatever happened to “Thou shalt not Kill?” Posted by Don under Politics , Scary Think Progress » Pat Robertson Needs To Update His Website On August 22, Pat Robertson called for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez. This appears to be in conflict with some of his earlier teachings that appear on his website: God Almighty wants to protect life and have everyone walk the streets without fear of being murdered. - Pat Robertson Life has become more and more cheap in the society we live in. But God says you shall not murder. - Pat Robertson The moral foundations that taught us to value life are crumbling under our feet. - Pat Robertson I’m sure patrobertson.com 2.0 will clear this all up. […]
August 23rd, 2005 at 2:58 pmSorry, its not necessarily from oil producing countries but just gas prices in general. Venezuela is on the list at just 12 cents a gallon.
August 23rd, 2005 at 3:00 pmPat Robertson’s CASUAL advocacy of murder is another example of the arrogance of the right. “The world revolves around us. We know it all. And if you disagree, we’ll sic Karl Rove on you….unless of course your out of country, in which case, we’ll kill you.” SICK SICK SICK!
August 23rd, 2005 at 3:03 pmPat robertson is a christian like hitler was a man of the people/ only certain people / robertson is a certifible nucase but his right to speech is indeed protected/ the scary part is that the dim witted protestants who follow him are scary for buying his nonsense
August 23rd, 2005 at 3:08 pm“The USA PATRIOT Act, passed in the wake of the 11 September 2001 terrorist attacks, makes it illegal to advise or assist terrorists — such as through an Internet website”
Didnt Robertson advise some terrorist out there to murder the demcratically elected president of Venezuelan??? Maybe some antiIncitement laws were broken also. Is Pat Robertson now officially a terrorist?
August 23rd, 2005 at 3:09 pmLook at what Chavez has done in Venezuela (see post #76): consolidating power, shredding the constitution, rigging elections, packing the courts, usurping power from the legislature.
These are the same things that many here accuse Bush of doing. The only difference is that Chavez has actually done them, while you fantasize that Bush has done them.
August 23rd, 2005 at 3:14 pmChristians, her ye, hear ye! Are you with Robertson or are you against him? The right-wing portrays Cindy Sheehan as a traitor for speaking out against the war; Robertson’s advocating an assassination of the president of a country is terrorism! Robertson, who likes to sit at the table with GWB, who was very instrumental in Bush being president, is a man to whom many people look to for guidance — and this latest example of extremism and hatred, (very unchristian) by Robertson should bring members of his flock to call for his resignation. He has vilified women, homosexuals, and anyone who dares to stand for something he opposes — it’s time for the right to pull him. And, I might add, it’s time for the left to demand that they do.
August 23rd, 2005 at 3:30 pmFor the record, I dislike Robertson and his type intensely.
August 23rd, 2005 at 3:33 pmCC, thanks for the post. There’s a lot to read there and I think you have a case to answer that Venezuela is not a utopian democracy. The Jose Vila piece is troubling. But your Wiki link tells the other side to the story too - look at the reporting on the 2002 coup attempt. Note what the coup leaders do upon their ‘accession’ and where the support was coming from for the coup - a political machine founded in the landed elite with media stations to back it and money coming from the US. There’s no black and white here CC, but I think ‘murderous tyrant’ is clearly exaggeration at best, but requires careful watching. Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch seemed to be closely engaged. Chavez won’t survive if he fails to keep the rule of law even-handed.
Fundamentally, and back on point, Chavez was elected (several times and fairly it appears from what I can read) and it is the Venezuelan’s to unelect him, its not for Pat Robertson, the School of the Americas, the National Endowment for Democracy or the CIA or anyone else.
Here’s another take on Chavez, someone, unlike you and I who has been there: http://www.gregpalast.com/ detail.cfm?artid=452&row=0
August 23rd, 2005 at 3:34 pm#76, Does that mean we should impose our version of government on the rest of the world? Our government is not perfect — after all look who’s president.
August 23rd, 2005 at 3:35 pmRobertson is judge and jury to call for anyone to be killed — very undemocratic and certainly not very christian.
Robertson should recall the ten commandments he would like to see posted on every street corner.
August 23rd, 2005 at 3:36 pm#82 CC Yes, there is a comparison to what Chavez had done and what Bush has done. Are you making a point?
August 23rd, 2005 at 3:39 pmI think that pretty well addresses one of the reason we have a seperation of church and state in this country. Pat Roberson is a former presidental candidate for the RepubliCON Party. He likes to mouth off about the moral “values” the right has over the left. What an ass. The American Taliban is alive and well.
August 23rd, 2005 at 3:53 pmHank
August 23rd, 2005 at 3:59 pmThat would be nice except we don’t have a separation of church and state. Some are trying to separate the two. 50 years ago i sang religious songs in public school because Protestantism was the public culture. And “under god” was added to the pledge of allegiance.
Pat Robertson is an idiot! He needs to keep his mouth shut because nothing he ever says supports his so-called Christian lifestyle. How can a Christian man, host of the 700 Club, promote the assassination of the Venezuelan President? Why do Christians in America feel so self-righteous that they need to impose their religion and their country’s politics on every other person and country in the world?
August 23rd, 2005 at 4:01 pmChristians should be helping those in need, the starving and those less fortunate than us. Instead, men like Pat Robertson are just worried about sucking up all the oil reserves in the world for the best country in the world. Pat Robertson, I can’t believe you didn’t win the presidency when you ran. You are just as greedy and idiotic as one of our country’s leaders.
To lodge a complaint with the FCC…
http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/complaints.html
Dont think it wont do anything… The .xxx extension that was supposed to be added to the Internet to help us filter out porn has been put on hold because only 10,000 complaints were sent in by right-wing nut jobs that oppose it even though it will HELP filter out porn. Only 10,000…. send in those complaints to the FCC!
August 23rd, 2005 at 4:17 pm“For the record, I dislike Robertson and his type intensely. ”
Comment by Concerned Conservative — August 23, 2005 @ 3:33 pm
Why? Because he makes your side look so foolish? He’s been in the forefront of pushing republican spin for so long, trying to distance yourself from him now looks to a casual observer like- . . . panic. If you thing you are going to be able to duck responsibility by saying weak crap (see above post) get ready for a hard landing. Robertson and his ilk ARE JUST LIKE YOU! And it’s compelling you to distance yourself, but he’s your boy. Live with it.
August 23rd, 2005 at 4:23 pmI grew up in Kokomo Indiana and went to about 3 different churches (they all split up because the preacher/or his wife was having sex with the sheep in the pews) for many years.. I was just a kid so they didnt pay much attention as I walked around and heard their conversations… the KKK would be quite proud of them… They will try to say that this isnt what christianity is about …but the truth is this IS what christianity is about and always has been …it is NOT what JESUS was about but now adays the right wing just has a plastic jesus hanging around their neck ..he is the real Jesus.
August 23rd, 2005 at 4:31 pm#90. CMW, I did also, and it didn’t hurt me any. But 50 years ago religious leaders like Pat Robertson were not calling on hits and assinations of world leaders. Who is next on his list? THose of us who work on Sunday? Pro-choice advocates? Fornicators and homosexuals who refuse to stay in the closet?
The separation of church and state, in my humble opinion, is growing in urgency with each day and demagogue.
August 23rd, 2005 at 4:37 pmdano347 wrote
“He’s been in the forefront of pushing republican spin for so long, trying to distance yourself from him now looks to a casual observer like- . . . panic. ”
People on the right have been calling him an Idiot for years now. He is part of the original definition of Idiotarian on the right wing blogs Instipundit and Little Green Footballs. He is our Noam Chomsky.
As far as complaining when Liberals hit us over the head with the latest inanity he spouts, it’s only fair, when Noam says something we will try to hit you with it too.
Have fun.
August 23rd, 2005 at 4:39 pmAs far as complaining when Liberals hit us over the head with the latest inanity he spouts, it’s only fair, when Noam says something we will try to hit you with it too.
So Chomsky’s called for the assassination of foriegn leaders who won’t give us their oil? Wow, I must’ve missed that.
August 23rd, 2005 at 4:47 pmcc says “Look at what Chavez has done in Venezuela (see post #76): consolidating power, shredding the constitution, rigging elections, packing the courts, usurping power from the legislature.
These are the same things that many here accuse Bush of doing. The only difference is that Chavez has actually done them, while you fantasize that Bush has done them. ”
Unfortunately cc, this is just what the Right Wing Christian Fundamentalists ARE DOING. It’s no fantasy. They believe that the supreme court has made judgements against what the bible says, so, they are in the process of getting Right Wing Chritian Fundamentalists in those positions. They already have far too many Senators and they have a puppet president that isn’t smart enough know that Evolution is Science and Intelligent Design is Religious studies.
The only thing Bush and Cheney care about Venezuala is that they have OIL, Black gold, Texas tea. Otherwise, they wouldn’t give Chavez the time of day.
August 23rd, 2005 at 4:48 pmGary Kleppe wrote
“As far as complaining when Liberals hit us over the head with the latest inanity he spouts, it’s only fair, when Noam says something we will try to hit you with it too.
So Chomsky’s called for the assassination of foriegn leaders who won’t give us their oil? Wow, I must’ve missed that.”
So is your point that the only stupid thing anyone could possibly say is about assassinating foreign leaders? I am pretty sure it isn’t even the stupidest thing Pat Robertson has ever said because he routinely comes out with some pretty stupid stuff.
Noam comes out with some stupid stuff too. Not identical stupid stuff, but stupid enough in it’s own right.
But I think you got the point and are being deliberately obtuse.
Like I said, Have Fun.
August 23rd, 2005 at 4:57 pmMaybe this will help create a rift between the ring wing nut jobs and the normal Jesus followers and maybe even encourage the republicans to kick those crazies out of their party so real republicans like McCain can get elected.
August 23rd, 2005 at 5:00 pmGary Kleppe wrote
“So Chomsky’s called for the assassination of foriegn leaders who won’t give us their oil? Wow, I must’ve missed that. ”
Oh and by the way, we import about 1.3 MILION barrels of Oil a day from Venezuela. I don’t think you can call Chavez a leader that won’t ship us his oil.
August 23rd, 2005 at 5:02 pmChavez supports such Cuban initiatives as universal health care and free public education (up to and including university) … what a madman, off with his head!
August 23rd, 2005 at 5:11 pmChavez that evil doer. Now he wants to give free eye surgery to thousands of blind poor people. Instead of invading countries like any upstanding CHristian, he’s helping the poor with his Plan Milagro.
He should be assassinated.
August 23rd, 2005 at 5:23 pmhttp://www.cbsnews.com/ stories/ 2005/ 08/ 23/ national/ main791483.shtml
#93, thanks for the tip. I just Emailed the FCC. If they can sanction CBS for the Janet Jackson nipple affair, then this is surely more incendiary and worthy of retribution by the FCC.
August 23rd, 2005 at 5:39 pmPat Robertson has the right to say whatever he wants - the Constitution says so.
He also has the right to burn in hell - his bible says so.
Truthfully, Pat Robertson is a hero. He has single-handedly unmasked the Christian fundamentalism that exists in America today. Git ‘er done Pat!
August 23rd, 2005 at 5:58 pmRobertson is the reason I left Christian churches,
August 23rd, 2005 at 6:14 pmAnd who amoung you is really surprised? These are the same people I work with who clearly state that War is go for the economy!
Noam comes out with some stupid stuff too. Not identical stupid stuff, but stupid enough in it’s [SIC] own right.
Quote anything Chomsky has said that is as stupid and outrageous as what Robertson said.
Oh and by the way, we import about 1.3 MILION barrels of Oil a day from Venezuela. I don’t think you can call Chavez a leader that won’t ship us his oil.
Well, you’d better tell that to Robertson.
August 23rd, 2005 at 6:32 pmContact your cable tv provider and demand that they discontinue broadcasting Pat Robertson’s 700 club because of his terroristic threat against Chavez. If Islamic mullahs were on the air calling for assassinations, they would be stopped immediately.
The same should be applied to this creep.
August 23rd, 2005 at 6:53 pmThe moral foundations that have taught us to value life ARE crumbling under our feet. The trouble is, Pat Robertson just made himself part of that very same problem.
It is one thing to fantasize about traveling back in time to murder Hitler (a popular “Twilight Zone” theme if I’m not mistaken, and also similar to the plot of the original “Dead Zone”). It’s an entirely different thing to advocate the murder of a noisy Venezuelan dictator. Pat Robertson is an embarrassment to anyone who calls himself a Christian.
August 23rd, 2005 at 7:00 pmRev Haggard told Lou Dobbs to chill out - nobody is assassinating anyone because its illegal for the US Government to assassinate foreign leaders for political reasons.
That makes “installing Democracy” in Iraq an illegal justification for the war - of course in Saddam’s case it was only attempted assassination using cruise missiles.
Better go find some WMD’s George! And quick! Or you’re all going to jail!
August 23rd, 2005 at 7:01 pmI think we should all thank Pat for exposing the Truth about Christian Fundamentalism and it’s ‘not-so-hidden’ agenda.
Amen and Hallelujah to that #106.
August 23rd, 2005 at 7:06 pmGo to the 700 club website or call their prayer line 757-226-7000 - they have an Operation Blessing going on - how ironic - what kind of blessing would that be exactly?
Their website provides a link to contact your Representative. Use it to write an email demanding that Robertson be pulled from the air for broadcasting terrorism.
Call the prayer line and voice your disgust.
August 23rd, 2005 at 7:10 pmTHIS JUST IN:
Pat Robertson spotted purchasing a copy of “Catcher in the Rye” and a plane ticket to Caracas!
ahaha
August 23rd, 2005 at 7:11 pmSounds like a good idea - cmv
August 23rd, 2005 at 7:18 pmBSR #110, Chavez is a several times legitimately democratically elected leader of Venezuela. Get your facts right. CC makes some good points earlier that he is no saint of democracy whicb I will grant, but he’s no tyrant since the people of Venezuela came out in their hundreds of thousands to stop the 2002 coup.
August 23rd, 2005 at 7:18 pmCall the FCC 888-225-5322. Hold to speak to a representative. They will record your message. Ask that he be pulled from the air. Fined. If they can fine the network over a breast, they can fine it for terroristic threats. My son is draft age. Supposedly our young our fighting in Iraq to stop terrorism. Pat Robertson has joined the ranks of terrorists.
August 23rd, 2005 at 7:20 pm“Chavez is a several times legitimately democratically elected leader of Venezuela. Get your facts right.”
Sorry I didn’t genuflect deeply enough at the altar of your hero. I was more concerned with criticizing Pat Robertson’s outrageous remarks than with recalling the glories of Hugo Chavez’ past electoral victories. I’m sure Chavez is also very nice to small children and dogs.
By the way, Chavez may be democratically elected, but his views about America are sadly out of date. This country will still be a beacon of freedom in the world long after Chavez and his buddy Castro are gone. I would just prefer that they die of natural causes when they go.
August 23rd, 2005 at 7:52 pmMore conservative humor from Scrappleface”
“Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez beefed up security at his residence and offices today after reports that Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson has issued a fatwa calling for the assassination of the South American communist dictator.
“Venezuelan police have begun detaining and searching ‘clean cut, Bible-toting men in unfashionable clothing’ as likely followers of the wealthy, charismatic religious personality. However, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) immediately lodged a protest with the Venezuelan government over the ‘profiling’ of 700 Club devotees by security forces.
“Mr. Robertson is revered among his fanatical TV viewers, who each year contribute millions of dollars to advance his so-called ‘ministry,’ as much as he’s feared by the teams of U.S. journalists who track his movements and record his remarks.
“The Pentagon immediately denied that Mr. Robertson’s name had previously appeared on any Defense Department ‘watch list,’ but a spokesman discouraged news networks from airing video of the Robertson fatwa announcement, fearing his remarks might contain coded instructions for Christian cell groups around the world.”
August 23rd, 2005 at 7:58 pmChavez was democratically elected but that still does not stop Bushco from calling him a dictator.
The true and real dictator in this world is named George W. Bush.
BTW, he is an arden followerer of Robertson because one fake amd phoney know sanother when he sees one.
Perhaps Robertsons words might have a reverse effect. Some rightwingnut in Venezuela might call for the assasination of Georgie boy.
August 23rd, 2005 at 8:24 pmRobertson is a shill, a sham, a charlatan — Elmer Gantry personified.
August 23rd, 2005 at 8:34 pmOrganized religion is a business, a sham, masquerading as righteousness. Jesus said we should go to a closet and pray. Religious leaders toady would rather build enormous churches with auditoriums and food courts! (tax free I might add.)
One long-remembered tale from childhood was of Pharisee who went to temple in his fine clothing, and mocked the poor man in rags who had no coins to donate.
Robertson, Falwell, Perkins, and all of them forgot that parable.
These hypocrites, pretending to be Christians are anything but good and righteous. They are thieves.
#105
August 23rd, 2005 at 8:59 pmI just had a horrible thought. I Emailed the FCC about Robertson, but the FCC doesn’t control cable YET — if we all write to them and complain about that moron, are we actually going to add to their desire to censor cable TV?
I just called the toll free number but couldn’t speak to anyone as it is past regular business hours. You have a point Marie. Anyone have another way we can get to the freak?
August 23rd, 2005 at 9:26 pm#118 Oh come on BS Red, you don’t read what I say or link to do you. Facts are not important then? I don’t think Chavez is quite my hero if you bother to read my points, but the facts are the facts: the man was democratically elected, and Robertson is advocating state sponsored terrorism in asking for him to be killed. And what do you mean his views on the US are sadly out of date? Did you read all of Robertson’s post? He stated that the Monroe Doctrine is still in effect - you know the one that says Amurka can do whatever it wants between the Canadian border and the Straits of Magellan. Check this from Rummy’s latest goosestep through LA http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/AUK503A.html Sound like Monroe Doctrine to you? And why does the US need a military base in Paraguay. And why does the IMF insist on pushing Argentina to sell off its industry and banks? I’ve spent time in LA and I can tell you the Monroe Doctrine has run its course (except in Colombia).
Let’s ask Pablo how he feels about the Monroe Doctrine: Robertson was not just taking aim at Chavez, he was advocating global American empire in the western hemisphere. Over to you Pablo…
August 23rd, 2005 at 10:12 pmThis country will still be a beacon of freedom in the world long after Chavez and his buddy Castro are gone
That’s what Nixon, Reagan, Bush I and II and even JFK and LBJ said. These people have all passed on. Well, two are shell-shocked walking wounded but it won’t be long. When things are going this bad, and they are going very bad, BSer posts “conservative humor”. How sad?
August 23rd, 2005 at 10:16 pmThis country is a beacon of bullshit and BSer is one of it’s dimmest bulbs.
Bill Moyer, 73, wears a “Bullshit Protector” flap over his ear while President George W. Bush addresses the Veterans of Foreign Wars. (AP Photo/Douglas C. Pizac)
http://www.canada.com/ national/ nationalpost/ news/ story.html?id=581719e6-4f85-48bb-a52c-615ef31355e7
In Idaho? Wake up and die right, fool.
August 23rd, 2005 at 10:20 pmLuckily, Pat Robertson has only succeeded in assassinating himself!
August 23rd, 2005 at 10:24 pmRE: #54
Assassine - Ha! That’s great, but I think I can improve it just a little. I am not a big fan of Mensa, but they apparently have an annual word contest that seems like fun.
Thanks to you, cmw, I already have my entry for next year’s contest:
Assassinine - Pat Robertson. ‘Nuff said.
August 23rd, 2005 at 11:53 pmSeems the separation between church and state have now been totally eliminated.
And now the church endorses murder.
“Are your papers in order?”….now get on the train.
August 24th, 2005 at 1:51 amOh, maybe the righties will wake up when they have to make door hinges in the new camps. I really doubt it.
(for you righties that don’t understand this, watch Schiendler’s List.)
You righties won’t be outside looking in either, you’ll be inside looking thru the electric fences TOO!
August 24th, 2005 at 1:53 amPat Robertson should ask himself - “Who would Jesus assasinate”. It’s unfortunate that so many are fooled by this false prophet who is teaching hate. That right there tells who is his lord. His ministry feeds on the souls of people who are taking on the spiritual debt of hate politics in the name of the Lord. When you think of the acts of Jesus in the Bible and then think of Pat Robertson, I would have to doubt that Jesus would care for his devisive and hateful manipuilation of people. People who rely on just a few sources of corporate mainstream news that are not aware of the facts. When Pat has his prayer sessions of asking for money in the name of the Lord he is always preying good. Unfortunately, the unsuspecting innocent viewers are easy prey for his calls for assassinating a foreign Democratically elected president. But really, how innocent can they be. If this doesn’t bring him down, there’s no stopping warrring hateful people from going to war. So maybe we should get the Robertson sheep to attack the Falwell sheep by telling them that Falwel’s poeple flew a plane into the Ministries office building and then they’ll wage rage upon each other and give the ol’ genepool a flush. Maybe even save a few peaceful people from getting killed.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:24 amSorry, Blue State Red, but I don’t think the US is going to be remembered for being a “beacon of freedom” during it’s current killing spree. I mean, alot of you neocons like to state that history will vindicate you.
Hell, history hasn’t even vindicated Lincoln for his behaviour during the Civil War! Truman’s starting to look a little evil for the Bombs and Korea, Nixon NEVER looked good and it’s starting to shape up that way for Bush. If good ol’ Honest Abe,the “Emanicpator” is being grilled for shutting down newspapers and “brutally” crushing dissent during his presidency today, I don’t think George W. Bush has ANY chance of being looked upon with admiration by history.
At best, he’s a puppet. At his worst, well, he and bin Laden are two peas in a pod. The French have only pity for your President, Blue, I’m sure the harshest judgement will come from within The United States (only if we’ve completely eviscerated Iraq by the end of his presidency). Then he and Caligula can share a legacy. Won’t that be nice?
August 24th, 2005 at 4:27 amQuote anything Chomsky has said that is as stupid and outrageous as what Robertson said.
[crickets chirping]
August 24th, 2005 at 10:03 amBeacon of Freedom? More like it’s becoming the Beacon of Bullshit.
August 24th, 2005 at 11:55 amI agree with 99% of the comments here BUT, please don’t do ANYTHING that will give the idiots at the FCC any reason to include CABLE TV in their censorship campaign.
Calling the aforementioned “800 number” I fear could give the idiots ammunition to do just that.
August 24th, 2005 at 12:16 pmOh yeah, and another thing….
As much as I dislike what Pat Robertson said, I totally DISAGREE with some of the other posts here that we should tell our Representatives to pull him off the air (unless there’s some legal reason to do so, like calling for the murder of an elected official).
Barring any legal reasons, free speech for ONE is free speech for ALL, and Freedom of Speech is too important to be eliminated just because of this MORON.
August 24th, 2005 at 12:25 pmMr. Christian wants to take out someone. Very KKKristian!
If he had said those things about the Shrub, he would be at a resort in the “tropics”…..
But he is a religiCON, and it was directed at someone outside the administration, so that’s OK.
Uncle Rummy said that robertson is a “private citizen” and they say all kinds of things…..I bet he would change his tune if it was directed at dear leader.
It will be interesting to see if robertson will be treated the same as a muslim for making terriorist statements.
August 24th, 2005 at 12:52 pmIsn’t it interesting how some of the most high-profile figures of the modern religious right are staunchly pro-life, yet espouse pro-war, pro-gun, pro-death penalty - and now pro-politically motivated assassination - views without a second thought? The message of love, peace and caring for your fellow man today isn’t coming from the religious sector, it’s coming from us dirty liberals of the angry left.
August 24th, 2005 at 1:57 pmAs much as I dislike what Pat Robertson said, I totally DISAGREE with some of the other posts here that we should tell our Representatives to pull him off the air (unless there’s some legal reason to do so, like calling for the murder of an elected official).
That’s exactly what he did. I’m surprised you didn’t hear.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:29 pmGary Kleppe wrote
“Quote anything Chomsky has said that is as stupid and outrageous as what Robertson said.
[crickets chirping]”
How about this one?
“George Orwell once remarked that political thought, especially on the left, is a sort of masturbation fantasy in which the world of fact hardly matters. That’s true, unfortunately, and it’s part of the reason that our society lacks a genuine, responsible, serious left-wing movement.”
Noam Chomsky
August 24th, 2005 at 7:47 pm‘The Politization of the University’ in “Radical Priorities” p 200
Cripes, a day and a half and that’s the best you could come up with? All he’s saying here is that it’s hard to organize a movement when the public doesn’t have access to accurate information and is constantly bombarded by propaganda. This is (1) true, and (2) certainly nowhere near as outrageous as calling for the assassination of an elected, popular foreign leader.
August 25th, 2005 at 10:36 am“That’s exactly what he did. I’m surprised you didn’t hear.” [Gary Kleppe]
Gary, I think you misunderstood my post.
I know what Pat Robertson said, but I don’t know if what he said is against the law…. If so, I’d expect charges to be brought against him.
My point is that I don’t believe that just because you or I DISLIKE what someone says (in print, on TV, or wherever), it’s a reason to “censor’ them.
You shouldn’t be able to take someone “off the air” because that IDIOT says something disagreeable.
If that was the case, Limbaugh, Savage, and all the others who regularly fill the airwaves with their vocal bile would be first on my list.
Wouldn’t it be nice if all we ever heard from were people who believed the same things as we do…..
…well no, not really if you really THINK about it !
As far as Robertson goes, if he broke the law arrest him. If not, just let public opinion take care of it.
Robertson has a long history of making these kinds of inane statements. Anyone who isn’t “blinded by the right” clearly sees and understands this guy is a WINGNUT, and I’d bet my life that there are a decent number of Republicans who at least privately think so too.
What I’m [seeing] of late though are some voices on the “right” that are pretty much agreeing WITH Robertson.
I was expecting that Bush would immediately denounce Robertson’s statement (I know, WHAT was I thinking ?), but so far the silence from the President is deafening.
August 25th, 2005 at 1:10 pmKinda like when the Swiftboat LIARS commercial was playing, ol’ dumb George wanted it both ways when he (sort-of) condemned it, but did nothing to refute the blantant lies it contained.
Gary Klepp Wrote
“Cripes, a day and a half and that’s the best you could come up with?”
Sorry I have a life. The night before last was Soccer night. If my class hadn’t been canceled it would have been 2 1/2 days.
Gary also wrote
” All he’s saying here is that it’s hard to organize a movement when the public doesn’t have access to accurate information and is constantly bombarded by propaganda. ”
Now how can that be the case? He has writen like 36 political books, so even if he only agrees with his own writing there is plenty of information out there.
Lets look at the quote again.
“George Orwell once remarked that political thought, especially on the left, is a sort of masturbation fantasy in which the world of fact hardly matters. That’s true, unfortunately, and it’s part of the reason that our society lacks a genuine, responsible, serious left-wing movement.â€-Noam Chomsky
First of all the quote doesn’t say anything about a lack of accurate information that you mention.
It seems more to me that he is discounting and insulting all of the left wing thought that preceded him. No standing on the shoulders of Giants for Noam.
So which is it? Is all the left wing political thought and effort that happened before him only so much masturbation?
His left wing predecessors created Social security, Medicaid, Medicare, WIC, Women’s suffrage, Civil Rights, Public schools, minimum wage, the 40 hour work week, workers comp, FDA, EPA, OSHA, TVA, Rural Electrification, Land Grant Universities and Labor Laws.
What has Noam accomplished other than being the patron saint of thousands of masked molitov throwing anarchist?
Which is of course more than what Pat Robertsons quote will ever accomplish. Other than pleasing Hugo Chavez, who can use it in his political speeches?
Noam insults the beliefs and accomplishments of millions of earnest Left wing people.
August 25th, 2005 at 5:39 pmNow how can that be the case? He has writen like 36 political books, so even if he only agrees with his own writing there is plenty of information out there.
Information is out there, yes, but it’s in places where most people don’t see it, and for every piece of information there’s a whole lot of disinformation. What’s worse, most of us have no way of actually investigating things for ourselves. You end up with a situation where different groups of people are sort of walking around in their own realities.
For example, the right sees the occupying forces in Iraq as building schools, maintaining order, fighting against terrorism. The left sees them as foreign occupiers, suppressing dissent, torturing the inhabitants of the country into submission. (As an attempt at troll prophylaxis, I’ll mention that I don’t (primarily) blame the troops for this, but rather the people at the top who give the orders.) Which of these versions of reality is the truth? Unless you can go to Iraq to see for yourself, it comes down to whom you trust to tell you the truth.
What has Noam accomplished other than being the patron saint of thousands of masked molitov throwing anarchist?
Oooookay, kindly cite an example of any “masked molitov [SIC] throwing anarchist” who has listed Noam Chomsky as his or her patron saint. Yes, I’ll wait.
Which is of course more than what Pat Robertsons quote will ever accomplish.
Well, the jury is still out that, as it is with Chomsky’s ultimatre. But the issue isn’t really what the statements will accomplish, as it is how much blatant disregard they show for the law and for the rights of others.
So sorry, but you haven’t met the challenge. Show me any quote where Chomsky advocates actions that are blatantly illegal and immoral. You can’t. There’s no such quote. If he had said any such thing, he’d be in jail for it.
Noam insults the beliefs and accomplishments of millions of earnest Left wing people.
Hee hee. How very, very selfless and compassionate you right-wingers are, always looking out for us on the left and telling us who our friends should be.
Sorry, chuckles. Nice try. But we on the left will read for ourselves what Chomsky said, in context, and figure out for ourselves what it means, even if you can’t. And we will decide for ourselves who we are offended by and what we are going to do about it.
August 26th, 2005 at 10:26 amAS PAT ROBERTSON CALLS FOR ASSASSINATION
OF VENEZUALA PRESIDENT HUGO CHAVEZ
THE CHRISTIAN COALITION SEEMS TO BE DYING
UNABlLE TO PAY OFFICE POSTAGE TO
PITNEY BOWES IN NEW LAWSUIT
Has the Christian Coalition lost the public’s goodwill?
Is the public no longer supporting Robertson and his
Christian Coalition, leading to a FUNDRAISING collapse?
Did Pat Robertson KILL the Christian Coalition instead
of Venezula President Hugo Chavez?
Dr. Pat Robertson created an international incident
on Tuesday on his Christian Broadcasting Network
program ‘The 700 Club’ from Chesapeake, Virginia,
by calling for the United States to assassinate
Venezuala’s President Hugo Chavez, to avoid a war.
Meanwhile, in Charleston, South Carolina, the
CHRISTIAN COALITION which Dr. Pat Robertson
founded and led was sued by PITNEY BOWES for
$13,643 of unpaid postage for the Christian
Coalition’s operations and office.
The lawsuit in Charleston, South Carolina, claims
$13,643 of OFFICE POSTAGE from the Christian
Coalition’s main office operations, which the
Chrisitian Coalition has been unable to pay.
The headquarters of the Christian Coalition has
been in Charleston, South Carolina, since 2002.
The most important expense for a POLITICAL
organization is POSTAGE, because direct mail fund-
raising and other mail operations are the lifeblood of
a political organization.
Therefore, a political orgainzation that cannot pay
its postage — especially a relatively minor amount
of $13,643 — is an organization that is essentially
DEAD. It is like a restaurant that cannot afford to
order food for the kitchen or a business that cannot
pay its electric bill. The relatively small amount of
the unpaid bill shows that the Christian Coalition is
in serious trouble.
Meanwhile, the Christian Coalition had not filed its
2004 tax return (Form 990, which is a public
document) as of August 12, 2005. The Form
990 tax return was due on May 15, 2005.
Also, the Christian Coalition has still not paid
its Virginia attorneys approximately $75,000
with interest for legal work dating back many
years, more than two years after the law firm
of Huff, Poole & Mahoney won a lawsuit for
unpaid legal bills in Chesapeake, Virginia.
Last year, the law firm - where Bob McDonnell,
the Republican candidate for Virginia Attorney
General is a partner — tried to garnish the
Christian Coalition’s bank account, but their
bank account was closed. The law firm is now
trying to collect in South Carolina. Fund-raising
company Global Direct has sued for $87,000 in
Tarrant County, Texas. CIT Communications
Finance Corp. also has a judgment for
approximately $50,000, and is seeking to
enforce this $50,000 judgment in Virginia.
The lawsuit is Case No. 2005-CP-002364 in
Charleston County Circuit Court, filed June 2,
2005. The Clerk of the Court’s Telephone is
(843) 948-5000. The Clerk’s office is:
2 Cedarhurst Avenue, Charleston, South
Carolina 29401
The lawsuit is still pending as of August 18,