BREAKING: Bush’s Latest Attack Against Cindy Sheehan
BREAKING: Bush’s Latest Attack Against Cindy Sheehan
Speaking in Idaho a few minutes ago, Bush argued that moms like Cindy Sheehan are a threat to freedom:
There are few things more difficult in life than seeing a loved one go off to war, and here in Idaho, a mom named Tammy Pruitt…knows that feeling six times over.
Tammy has four sons serving in Iraq right now with the Idaho National Guard — Eric, Evan, Greg, and Jeff. Last year, her husband Leon and another son Aaron returned from Iraq where they helped train Iraqi firefighters in Mosul.
Tammy says this — and I want you to hear this — “I know that if something happens to one of the boys, they would leave this world doing what they believe, what they think is right for our country. And I guess you couldn’t ask for a better way of life than giving it for something you believe in.”
America lives in freedom because of families like the Pruitts.
For more on the administration’s efforts to demonize its war critics, check out today’s Progress Report.
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Political suicide in progress.
August 24th, 2005 at 1:43 pmJump! Jump!!
August 24th, 2005 at 1:43 pmI am nearly fed up with this. Will anyone take this man to task? Will anyone really do it? Is there anyone with the courage to stand up to this?
August 24th, 2005 at 1:49 pmYes, death is a great way of life. Way to sell it, George.
August 24th, 2005 at 1:50 pmThere is nothing in that quote that supports your lead sentence Judd. All he says is that families like the Pruitts help keep us free (which you can’t really argue with) — doesn’t say anything about moms like Cindy being a threat to freedom.
If he has said that somewhere else, please advise.
August 24th, 2005 at 1:52 pm“Oh, God, where are my democratic leaders? Where is John Kerry? Where is the “unhinged” Ted Kennedy? Do we dems have anybody that will support 61% of americans that are now scared of our “dear leaders?”
Surly Bernie Sanders can step up to the plate?
August 24th, 2005 at 1:53 pmBush has two daughters who are basking in Washington’s social scene. Why aren’t they on their way to Iraq?
August 24th, 2005 at 1:53 pmIf America lives in freedom because of families like the Pruitts, we live in freedom in spite of families like the Bushes.
August 24th, 2005 at 1:56 pmI think the insinuation is that Ms. Pruitt isn’t “complaining” and she has 6 people in harms way. Of course the difference would be that she hasn’t had any of the killed. The important story is the one a few inches down, where we see that 68 of our bravest have died since our Dear Leader decided to start “recreating” and “going on with his own life” in texas. It’s kinda interesting, being that those 68 will not get to “go on with their lives.”
How about that “compassionate convervitism?”
August 24th, 2005 at 1:56 pmSomeone needs to remind the President that Cindy Sheehan is simply a private citizen and doesn’t reflect the views of the current administration.
Evil(tm) Evolutionist
August 24th, 2005 at 1:56 pmThere is nothing in that quote that supports your lead sentence Judd. All he says is that families like the Pruitts help keep us free (which you can’t really argue with) — doesn’t say anything about moms like Cindy being a threat to freedom.
If he has said that somewhere else, please advise.
Comment by Concerned Conservative — August 24, 2005 @ 1:52 pm
Are you as critical of your side’s distortions and rhetoric? This is politics. Don’t you like it?
August 24th, 2005 at 1:56 pmAll he says is that families like the Pruitts help keep us free (which you can’t really argue with)
The hell we can’t. The Pruitts are cannon fodder in Bush’s grab for resources and power. That does nothing to keep us free. In fact, you could say that it helps work against freedom, by giving Bush a way to deflect criticism and stifle dissent. If there were no troops, Bush wouldn’t be able to cower behind them.
August 24th, 2005 at 1:58 pm“America lives in freedom because of families like the Pruitts.”–GWBush
That statement implies that people like Cindy Sheehan, who are not happy that her son died for an undefined “noble cause” and who question Dear Leader jeopardize our freedoms.
August 24th, 2005 at 1:59 pmlet’s go back and see her when one or two of them are killed.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:01 pmHas Bush asked his daughters to serve? I hear there are great bars in the Green Zone.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:03 pmFree to make war on innocents who never attacked us? That’s not freedom, that’s totalitarianism.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:03 pmOne thing to remember is bush is such a coward. He can’t faced Cindy or anyone of us and say that,he has to run to one of the two states that still support.
He is such chump change! Plus when he saids this in a pro state it makes him look like a real leader,NOT ;)
August 24th, 2005 at 2:04 pmNo one is buying his crap.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:04 pmSomeone get them the hell outta their before they have a chance to create another ‘terrorist attack’.
Dot, I’m fine with politics but I’m not wild about distortions on either side. But you’re probably right that I’m not as critical of “my side” (I’m more of a Libertarian than Republican).
Gary, if the armed forces of the U.S. aren’t in place to keep us free and safe from harm then we might as well get rid of them now.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:05 pmOf course one could argue whether “families like the Pruitts help keep us free”.
The willingness of citizens to enter military service, to kill or be killed at the (unilateral) behest of a kleptocratic regime, has nothing to do with keeping us “free”, whatever that may mean.
And we’re running low on fresh meat, by the way; soon there will be new meaning to the rhetorical question, “Suppose they gave a war and nobody came?”
August 24th, 2005 at 2:05 pmThis is at worst an extremely veiled attack on Sheehan - I can well imagine something similar from FDR during WWII or Clinton during the Bosnian conflict. The editorializing in this post is unjustified. Bush does so many awful things that there’s no cause to scrape the bottom of the barrel like this.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:06 pm“Will anyone take this man to task? Will anyone really do it? Is there anyone with the courage to stand up to this?
Yep — Yep, Gary Hart
August 24th, 2005 at 2:07 pmCC:
I interpreted this as a not-so-subtle criticism of Cindy Sheehan. If you choose to interpret it differently, that’s fine. But I think in the context of what’s been happening the last few weeks, my interpretation is completely legitmate and almost certainly correct.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:07 pmIdaho doesn’t support Bush.
Bill Moyer, 73, wears a “Bullshit Protector” flap over his ear while President George W. Bush addresses the Veterans of Foreign Wars. (AP Photo/Douglas C. Pizac)
His “support” is an illusion.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:07 pm“America lives in freedom because of families like the Pruitts.” - George Bush
Is that why Bush avoided Vietnam and went AWOL for 18 while hiding in the Nat’l Guard?
August 24th, 2005 at 2:08 pmOur Armed Forces in Iraq don’t make us free anymore than deploying them to Viet Nam did years ago.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:10 pmOK Judd. I guess we can agree that we view this one differently. Thanks for the reply.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:10 pmThe argument that leaving Iraq will show us as being ‘weak’ is complete horsemerde.
What makes us look weak is re-selecting a known liar and moron and NOT standing up to him.
It is WE the people who must show the rest of the world that we won’t tolerate an unelected fraud any more. By getting rid of this bastard, we the people can repair the damage.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:10 pmconcerned conservative:
what, exactly, are you concerned about?
August 24th, 2005 at 2:12 pmAudience applauds Galley_Queen.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:12 pmBush is drumming up examples to try to counter and demean Sheehan’s statements and cause. This justifies the headline and editorializing. Read between the lines.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:12 pmConcerned Conservative -
August 24th, 2005 at 2:12 pmConsider the timing of the President’s comments - on the heals of his comments yesterday that Ms. Sheehan doesn’t reflect the opinion of a majority of military families (a dubious and unsupported proposition). In that context, he is clearly laying out more of his “you are either for us or for the terrorists” mindset. More importantly, as to his claim that the war in Iraq is meant to protect our freedoms - are you any more or less free now that we invaded an occupied Iraq. Would you have been equally free had we not done so? I think the answer is obvious - the War in Iraq has had no impact whatsoever on the freedom of the Amercian people.
I interpreted this as a not-so-subtle criticism of Cindy Sheehan.
Judd,
You are just supposed to re-inforce and amplify Dear Leader’s edicts, not interpret them.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:12 pmIf Cindy Sheehan speaks for America, why then aren’t there hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people in Crawford? I don’t think she speaks for most of us as much as the left and the media would like you to believe.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:12 pmcan well imagine something similar from FDR during WWII or Clinton during the Bosnian conflict.
How many US KIA did we have during the Bosnian conflict, again?
The editorializing in this post is unjustified.
*Gasp!* Editorializing?! In a blog?!
August 24th, 2005 at 2:12 pm“It is the practice of despots to use a part of people to keep the rest in order.”
—–Thomas Jefferson
August 24th, 2005 at 2:13 pmIn reply to George W. Bush’s comments, made in regard to Cindy Sheehan. Where ‘Monkey Boy’ stated that, “Moms like Cindy Sheehan are a threat to freedom.”
As the Brits would say to President Bush’s illogical rantings.
Bollocks George, absolute Bollocks.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:14 pmCC - Bush has just rephrased the old “Your either with us or against us” rhetoric. It’s retarded. I’ll bet Rove and his right wing conservative’s in training were on the phone for days trying to find a family like the Pruitts. It’s great to see that more than half of Americans are now “against us”.
This particular quote from Bush did not say “Sheehan is a threat to freedom” BUT HE HAS SAID RECENTLY THAT PEOPLE LIKE SHEEHAN ARE A THREAT TO FREEDOM.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:14 pmconcerned conservative:
what, exactly, are you concerned about?
Comment by frenchy lamour — August 24, 2005 @ 2:12 pm
No offense but I think he’s concerned about appearing French, Mr. Lamour.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:15 pm“See? These folks don’t want to ask me questions! And they’re good people!”
That’s not an answer to the question.
That’s a cheap evasion.
Hide and evade.
Cindy isn’t standing before you so you’ll bring the troops home today, or resign, or assassinate Pat Robertson, George.
She wants you to meet with her and answer her questions.
Why won’t you do that?
What kind of President won’t do that?
Hide some more, George. Evade some more. Go to another staged fundraiser and make another speech.
Hide and evade.
You little weasel.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:15 pm#
If Cindy Sheehan speaks for America, why then aren’t there hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people in Crawford? I don’t think she speaks for most of us as much as the left and the media would like you to believe.
Comment by Red — August 24, 2005 @ 2:12 pm
They have jobs? But the Freepers will be there.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:17 pmCC, Several reports have shown that the American involvement in Iraq have recruited people for the other side.
Given that Iraq has become a real world training camp to train people in Urban warfare, and that the same tactics have now been taken to Afghanistan, why do American troops in Iraq make us safer? In fact it is easy to argue the case that they don’t.
This doesn’t mean that we should get rid of the Armed Forces, jsut that they shouldn’t be in Iraq. There is a big difference between using the Armed Forces defensively and using them offensively.
Z.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:18 pmNot far from the truth, Janitors!
August 24th, 2005 at 2:18 pmHey Red,
Why are you and chimpy so afraid of Cindy?
August 24th, 2005 at 2:20 pmPolitical suicide in progress.
Jump! Jump!!
Comment by Dot — August 24, 2005 @ 1:43 pm
Everybody, nice and loud… on 3:
August 24th, 2005 at 2:20 pm…1…2…JUMP!
Jobs, the price of gas, and the threat of being mowed down by Bush supporters in pickup trucks.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:22 pmYou make a good point Zwack, though I think it is hard to say whether we are safer or more at-risk with troops in Iraq. Bush made a call that “the best defense is a good offense” in this case — he might turn out to be right yet. The jury is still out.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:23 pmHey Red, they keep coming. And “they” are not only in Crawford, but here in TN as well. I was there. The media would like you to believe that the story is only in Crawford - not true. It is alive and kicking here in one of the reddest states around. Get ready - change is gonna’ come.
Silly man.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:24 pmCC,
August 24th, 2005 at 2:25 pmWhat about OBL?
What possible excuse can there be for leaving
him out there while attacking Iraq, which BTW
did not have WMD.
The whole thing is logical BS and I think
you know it.
Bush is starting to sound like more of a real creep that ever. He’s good at mocking people, and that’s essentially what he’s doing here. “See, Cindy, I can play too.”
Problem is, he’s the only one it’s a “game” to.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:26 pmGary, if the armed forces of the U.S. aren’t in place to keep us free and safe from harm then we might as well get rid of them now.
Sounds good to me.
You do know how the founding fathers felt about standing armies, right?
August 24th, 2005 at 2:27 pmCC, safer? Jury still out? Ask the people of London if they feel safer. And don’t give me that old talking point that the bombers are nut jobs. The interviews with the families of these men clearly state that they were angry about Iraq. Iraq and the US/UK invasion.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:27 pmYou make a good point Zwack, though I think it is hard to say whether we are safer or more at-risk with troops in Iraq. Bush made a call that “the best defense is a good offense†in this case — he might turn out to be right yet. The jury is still out.
Comment by Concerned Conservative
What are you talking about? This is delusional thinking. The same kind of thinking that painted Bush onto his own flimsily constructed rhetorical ledge from which he must now jump to his own political death because he can no longer skulk back in the window. The only calls Bush made were to Poppy, whom he ignored, and Cheney and Co. and Rove, whom he should have ignored. The jury is in. You are another cowboy at the dude ranch.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:30 pmCC,
The jury is still out? What jury, the Michael Jackson jury? The OJ jury? As a coallition of the indebted member, ask Britain f they are safer after our invasion of Iraq?
August 24th, 2005 at 2:31 pmP and P
You are the silly man- this is yet another attempt by the left to bruise Bush and it won’t work! You can’t realize it, but this movement is destroying your party. Democrats will never be trusted with national security in this country again, elections prove that. And don’t give me the excuse that Bush stole the election last year, I’m tired of hearing that crap. Next year’s midterm elections will speak volumes and you will see again why I am right.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:32 pmConcerned Conservative said: “I’m more of a Libertarian than Republican).”
If I could get a dollar for everytime I’ve heard the “I’m more a Libertarian than Republican” phrase in the past month…
Funny how so many people are disavowing they are Republicans.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:32 pmI feel sorry for Mrs. Pruitt. What else is she going to say about her sons and husband? She’s scared shitless for them?
She reminds me of those suicide bombers’ moms–reduced to muttering whatever crapola the neighbors want to hear about how proud they are of their children.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:32 pmGary, if the armed forces of the U.S. aren’t in place to keep us free and safe from harm then we might as well get rid of them now.
I hear the Islamofascist navy has just put to sea with it’s mighty invasion task force and fleet of aircraft carriers and assault ships and troop carriers. We are all doomed! Women! Buy your Burkas now!
August 24th, 2005 at 2:33 pmAnd don’t give me the excuse that Bush stole the election last year, I’m tired of hearing that crap.
Too bad for you, as it happens to be true.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:33 pmSorry Terry, I’m not buying the argument that if we just pull out the terrorists will leave us alone. They have already demonstrated the foolishness of that assumption. We left them pretty much alone even after they attacked us (first World Trade Center bombing, USS COLE, etc.) and that didn’t prevent 9/11.
Both the UK and US need to do a better of finding and clamping down on the terror cells within our own borders, as well as beating them down over in the Middle East.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:34 pmAre you now, or have you ever been a member of the Republican party?
August 24th, 2005 at 2:34 pmThe world is NOT safer because King George invaded Iraq. Osama is still on the loose. North Korea remains a true threat. The next generation of terrorists are being trained in live fire exercises against our military. And a former secular country has been turned into a squabbling in-fighting Muslim theocracy.
Now King George wants the world to know that it’s a good thing to send boys and girls off to die in the sweltering heat and sands of a country that couldn’t attack the US or Israel, even it Iraq had wanted to?
This is sick. This is really sick.
I truely hope this is the highly public political suicide of this elitist baffoon.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:34 pmTo Die For Something You Believe In
If there is no higher calling for an American, than to fight and die in Iraq, then why aren’t Bush’s daughters in Iraq?
August 24th, 2005 at 2:35 pmRobert, I don’t doubt that there are some moving away from the R party, but I have never been a registered R. Always have been an I.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:36 pmRed, your Dear Leader is having a bad month in the polls. Even with Chuck Hagel’s ESS and Diebold’s fingers on the scale, these numbers spell doom for the Christo-fascist/Neo-con alliance: http://www.surveyusa.com/50StatePOTUS0805.htm
So are you right or just right-arm-raised?
August 24th, 2005 at 2:36 pm~GARY QUALLS OF “FORT QUALLS” BUMBLES THROUGH VINDICTIVE SHEEHAN SMEAR.
~KEITH OLBERMANN CALLS HIM ON IT.
On MSNBC’s “Countdown” Monday night, Gary Qualls, Cindy Sheehan’s counterpart at the new, pro-war “Fort Qualls” down the road from her, bumbled Homer Simpson-like through a smear against Sheehan. He slimed her for “forsaking” her family while she’s in Crawford:
QUALLS: “I‘m not out here all the time…I stay with my family. I haven‘t forsaken them. I will not abandon them…I have not left halfway across the country like Ms. Sheehan has, and she has forsaken her own family. I cannot do that…My priorities and responsibilities as a parent are important.”
Olbermann didn’t think much of Quall’s sliming.
OLBERMANN: “To be fair to her, sir, I mean, her surviving kids are adults, and she went home last week to take care of her mother, who had a stroke. Is that fair of you to say that about her?”
QUALLS: (Qualls is speechless, and after an embarrassingly long pause, Qualls changes subjects and goes on to make the claim that “Everybody else in her family, they do not even support what she is doing,” which is yet another fabrication.)
Funny thing is, Qualls had hugged and chatted with Sheehan a week earlier, just days before the GOP got hold of him. Here’s the photos:
http://donkeyod.blogspot.com/ 2005_08_07_donkeyod_archive.html
For more on Quall’s duplicity and political motivations:
http://www.reachm.com/ amstreet/ archives/ 2005/ 08/ 22/ cold-qualls-two
If the Right was looking for an honest, articulate and persuasive mouthpiece to foil Sheehan, they have failed miserably on all counts.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:36 pmRed,
To save yourself some time and fingertip callous, just type “Rebuttlickin’Talking Point/Rebuttal #2″ next time. Thanks.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:37 pmWe left them pretty much alone even after they attacked us (first World Trade Center bombing, USS COLE, etc.) and that didn’t prevent 9/11.
He just doesn’t get it. They hate him for his ignorance and hubris, but he does live in a country where he is free to be that stupid. In other countries he might be put to death for it. So, in a way, they do hate us for our “freedumbs”.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:37 pm#56 Red - Too bad Bush didn’t follow up on the recommendations from the Clinton Administration. If he had, he would have been prepared for 911. With Bush, it’s not just Americans that are losing freedom but he has put the whole world in jeopardy. Just ask the dead in Spain and England. Bruising Bush - what a dumb ass statement - look at the polls if you can see through your butt.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:38 pmCC if you knew why they attacked the U.S. we might be able to have a meaningful debate about policy, but since you don’t, this is an exercise in futility and a complete waste of time.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:39 pmWe have already killed more innocent Iraqis than innocent Americans that died on 9/11. I think they might have actually attained the moral high ground now, thanks to Bushco.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:42 pmPlease Janitor, tell me why they attacked us.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:43 pmI notice these theads get sort of tiresome by about
August 24th, 2005 at 2:43 pm#50 (not the post, just the number of posts).
Trolls have wandered off to their favorite spin-points….
But there is usally a new post to start on by then!
“CC if you knew why they attacked the U.S. we might be able to have a meaningful debate about policy, but since you don’t, this is an exercise in futility and a complete waste of time.”
As is the “war” in Iraq.
Good point sanitation engineer.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:44 pmWhere does Bush say Sheehan is a threat to freedom?
Do you people really want to have this fight? Sheehan is on record calling her son’s murderers freedom fighters. Do you want to battle over this broad?
You people don’t get it. Sheehan will prove to be the biggest PR disaster for the left since John Kerry exploited his war record for President. But please, keep it up.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:48 pmIt’s the cognitive dissonance.
If Tammy Pruitt actually allowed herself to believe for one minute that her sons are at risk over in Mosul for no good reason, she’d rip Bush’s throat out.
And why aren’t the Bush twins there? I think it was Jon Stewart who said, “Hey, we want to win this thing.”
August 24th, 2005 at 2:48 pm“Bush made a call that “the best defense is a good offense†in this case — he might turn out to be right yet. The jury is still out.”
So, the alternative to invading Iraq would have been battling the Republican Guard on the streets of Des Moines? This is insane!
By this logic, I suppose it only makes sense to invade Iran and North Korea. You know, that best defense/good offense thing. What on earth are the Chickenhawks waiting for?
August 24th, 2005 at 2:48 pmCC - (1) ATTEMP to bruise? uh um
August 24th, 2005 at 2:49 pm(2) You don’t know my party affiliation.
(3) I am not a man.
(4) All of you reds keep telling us to watch out for 06, but you and I both don’t believe that. You are scared and so is the monkey. Denial is helpful, but I think we both know where this country is going. It’s okay, we are a loving bunch and when you come over from the dark side, we will be here.
(5) I’m on the fence as to how much of the Diebold debacle helped and how much people are just stupid and believe what they want - more denial.
Please Janitor, tell me why they attacked us.
Comment by Concerned Conservative — August 24, 2005 @ 2:43 pm
I just told you. They hate our freedumbs. Are you really that obtuse? That stupid?
August 24th, 2005 at 2:50 pmNortheast, I think you meant to say since John Kerry “inflated” his war record…
August 24th, 2005 at 2:51 pm#81 - thank you. And left out key parts of his war record like where he admitted to war crimes on national television in 1971. But, we’re smearing him if we bring that up.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:52 pmCapt. Video
“Bush’s daughters sure are not willing to give their lives for something they believe in. The Bushs adhere to the policy that going to war “isn’t for people like us.†Getting oneself killed in wars is for the commoners, not for the political elite.
Bush may be able to fool some of the people all of the time, like the Pruitts, but the Bush daughters are too smart to be fooled.”
Hey Jenna & not-Jenna, fool me once shame on you. You can fool some of the people some of the time….fool me twice…..Oh hell, you can’t be fooled again.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:52 pmExactly, Corinne. Believing the rosy red version is much more comfortable. And we know how the sheeple desperately need to stay in their comfort zone. It would just hurt too much to open up their eyes. It is sad.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:53 pmP&P, I don’t think I posted the one you are responding to…
August 24th, 2005 at 2:53 pmConservatives will shred Sheehan and enjoy doing it. Understand - I will enjoy it. Freedom of speech is a two way street.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:54 pmDilEnema,
Read the numerous posts prior to when you showed up. Do your own homework.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:54 pmP & P - yes, we need to believe there is a constant threat of terror to feel comfortable. Do you even read what you write?
August 24th, 2005 at 2:55 pmAt least Kerry had a war record. As did McCain. As did Hagel. And what do these gentlemen have in common beside being Senators and Veterans. They get smeared by Chickenhawk republicans.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:56 pmWhere does Bush say Sheehan is a threat to freedom?
Do you people really want to have this fight? Sheehan is on record calling her son’s murderers freedom fighters. Do you want to battle over this broad?
You have no more idea who is fighting in Iraq than Bushco does. Some of them are just Iraqis who want the invaders out of their homeland. Those are freedom fighters. Cindy may or may not have said that. I wouldn’t trust a word out of your mouth. One thing about Cindy, she’s just a mom who has been getting an education, something you sorely lack. She’s not an expert or a politician or even a trained spokesperson and she is kicking the collective asses of one of the most formidable PR and propaganda mill operations to spread bullshit and lies since Pravda or the Nazis.
You people don’t get it. Sheehan will prove to be the biggest PR disaster for the left since John Kerry exploited his war record for President. But please, keep it up.
Jump! JUMP!!
August 24th, 2005 at 2:57 pmI am like Cindy Sheehan, a father with two boys of draft age. I opposed the idea of this war from the start. Terrorism is a problem that must be dealt with using the tools of investigation and policing, not the military. These soldiers dying in Iraq have died for NO GOOD REASON. I am not an enemy of any bodies freedom, and anybody who says I am IS A GODDAMN LIAR, and a MORON.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:57 pm#89 - Noticably missing is Clinton idiot. Thanks to him W didn’t need to serve. He beat two REAL war heroes who didn’t exploit their record.
No one has smeared Hagel and McCain over their war record. Policy differences, yes, war record no. Kerry was smeared because he brought it up in the first place and it was basically a LIE.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:58 pmI’m just lost on why people like Red and Concerned Conservative (I guess if he/she is concerned about things then they can’t be too brain-dead) are supporting this war. I mean how much evidence does one need to know that this war is a fraud? There is simply no justification for this war. It has been founded on a lie from the get-go. No connection to terrorism, no WMD, no democracy going on, completely mis-managed from the start. Really, how f’n stupid are you people?
August 24th, 2005 at 2:58 pmDot - Cindy said that and CBS covered it up. Thanks to your arch-nemisis, Fox, it will be splattered all over the news further discrediting Sheehan and the liars at CBS.
JUMP - you liberals have already done that.
August 24th, 2005 at 2:59 pmNortheast, I think you meant to say since John Kerry “inflated†his war record…
Comment by Concerned Conservative — August 24, 2005 @ 2:51 pm
Now we know where this guy stands. He just tipped his hand. TROLL>
August 24th, 2005 at 3:00 pm#93 - whatever. Not worth arguing about AGAIN. Were there and we have to win. When you realize that, you may actually come back from the political dead.
August 24th, 2005 at 3:00 pm#95 - Did John Kerry and his allies try to hide the fact that he admitted to committing war crimes? Yes or no?
August 24th, 2005 at 3:01 pm#95 - Did John Kerry and his allies try to hide the fact that he admitted to committing war crimes? Yes or no?
Have you stopped beating your wife, Neddy? Yes or no?
August 24th, 2005 at 3:03 pmNortheast, what are the conditions for victory in Iraq? What will winning look like? When Bush proclaims “Mission Accomplished?”
August 24th, 2005 at 3:03 pmGary - actually, it was Kerry’s divorce records that were sealed from his first marriage. Apparently, the heiress chaser had something to hide. Maybe he was like Jack Ryan in Illinois.
August 24th, 2005 at 3:04 pmDemos wrote, “Bush has two daughters who are basking in Washington’s social scene.”
Isn’t Washington’s social scene punishment enough?
August 24th, 2005 at 3:05 pmNED, You are wrong about McCain.
August 24th, 2005 at 3:05 pmRoveCo did smear him with “unstable POW”
rumors.
You may be a nice guy but your GOP leaders
are real creeps.
Didn’t answer my question at all. Typical.
August 24th, 2005 at 3:05 pm#99 - when the Iraqi security forces are established, we can begin withdrawl. Regardless, the US will always have a presence in the Middle East in light of what happened on 9/11.
August 24th, 2005 at 3:05 pmWhen I was a kid, the doctor, the priest and the president were authority figures I respected. Now, I know some doctors prescribe based on advice from profit hungry drug companies; some priests have been identified as pedophiles; and sometimes the president makes mistakes. The war in Iraq has been one big mistake. We do a disservice to perpetuate it.
August 24th, 2005 at 3:06 pmAmerica lives in freedom best when our military is not engaged in preemptive strikes over WMDs which were not there. “Fighting terrorists there so we don’t have to fight them here” only works when you’re dealing with an army of thousands, an army it would be difficult to ship across the seas. Wake up! It took 19 people in NYC and Washington, DC to kill thousands. It took 4 people in London to attack the transportation system. Suicide bombers can do huge damage. And we’re giving terrorists hands on experience in Iraq. What a training opportunity for our enemies!!! What a mistake!
And if the president was serious about getting to the terrorists, why did he not continue to focus on Bin Laden. Why doesn’t he do something about the Saudi support for terrorists? Why doesn’t he secure our southern border? Why doesn’t he push development of energy sources other than oil?
of course, Dubya had nothing to hide during the elections. he was just a good kid from a modest upbringing, a self-made man who never received a handout from anybody…
August 24th, 2005 at 3:07 pmThat’s right JNo, just keep believing we’re stupid. Must drive you guys crazy to keep losing to a bunch of idiots.
August 24th, 2005 at 3:07 pmThis just in from Captain Obvious:
Bush on Sheehan: “She doesn’t represent the view of a lot of the families I have met with.”
Well you won’t meet with her and your brownshirts deploy in Secret Service garb to have anyone who might disagree with you thrown out of your tax-payer funded meetings. Sure, I bet all the people you meet agree with you… Can’t fault you there, Einstein.
August 24th, 2005 at 3:09 pmCC,
August 24th, 2005 at 3:10 pmwhat concerns me is losing to a bunch of fundamentalist religious idiots. those are the most dangerous kind.
Gary - you said I beat my wife. Not worth answering, but a good time to point out what a hypocrite you are.
August 24th, 2005 at 3:10 pmGee CC, I still want to know why you and
August 24th, 2005 at 3:10 pmChimpy are so worried about Cindy.
If you are so on top of everything, why
are you here?
#53
Do you honestly believe we would be safer if we pulled out of Iraq. Check a story the msm won’t tell you about. The Spanish govenment uncovered planned attacks by Al Qaeda AFTER they announced they would withdraw from Iraq. Wake up and actually get the truth instead of this dribble posted on sites like this one.
New-Home Sales Hit Record High in July
Terrorists Plotted More Bloodshed in Spain
NewsMax.com Wires
Friday, March 4, 2005
MADRID, Spain — Islamic militants blamed for last year’s commuter train bombings in Madrid were plotting more bloodshed - a string of suicide attacks in the months after the massacre, Spain’s counterterrorism director told The Associated Press on Thursday.
The revelation adds a chilling what-if element to Spain’s national trauma as it prepares to mark the anniversary of the March 11 bombings, the country’s worst-ever terrorist attack.
August 24th, 2005 at 3:10 pmDon’t pay attention to Ned. He thinks on his website that Sheehan should be terminated like Terri Schiavo. Not very nice that Ned.
August 24th, 2005 at 3:11 pm#109 - that’s classic and explains alot. You people fear christianity more than you fear Islam. Pretty scary, but helps us out at the polls so … THANKS.
August 24th, 2005 at 3:11 pm#113 - I’m glad you liked it.
August 24th, 2005 at 3:12 pmRed:
“Democrats will never be trusted with national security in this country again”
Put the playbook/talking notes script down - that was the silliest thing I’ve read in quite some time, even though it’s rehashed from the 50’s and 60’s - thanx for the laugh. As for mid-term elections, you’re right… the truth will come out then. And frankly, at this juncture, I think the public would vote for any party other than the one currently making a shambles and mockery of National Security.
August 24th, 2005 at 3:12 pmDo you think the FBI might be interested in that Ned?
August 24th, 2005 at 3:15 pmNortheast,
August 24th, 2005 at 3:17 pmYou’re good at jumping to the defense of Christianity for no reason. I said that I fear fundamentalists, that goes for Christians and Muslims who believe that religion is only fire and brimstone. Simpleton…
#117 - because I asked someone to remove her feeding tube? I think they have more important things to worry about you fascist scumbag.
August 24th, 2005 at 3:17 pmGary - you said I beat my wife. Not worth answering, but a good time to point out what a hypocrite you are.
I didn’t say anything, Neddy. I asked a question, just as valid as the one you asked right before it.
Oh, and incidentally, “a lot” is two words. Just trying to be helpful.
August 24th, 2005 at 3:18 pmI think NED is a Hannity wannabe.
August 24th, 2005 at 3:18 pmAnd I guess you couldn’t ask for a better way of life than giving it for something you believe in
Am I the only one who finds what Bush said a little too close for asking for martyrs?
We ‘abuse’ people in legal limbo who are locked up in non-prisons because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. We have radical clerics like Pat Robertson. We are starting to celebrate martyrdom …
And we are different from our “terrorist” “enemies” how?
It doesn’t do us any good to win a war against enemies of freedom if we turn into that which we hate.
BTW - as to the wisdom of pulling out of Iraq, etc., perhaps our conservative friends should check out what promenant (sp?) Republicans, including GW Bush, were saying when Clinton was president and fighting a war, and apply it to the current situation.
August 24th, 2005 at 3:19 pmWhen I advocate for the death of another human being because of her free speech, then you can call me a fascist scumbag, until then if the brownshirt fits, wear it Ned.
August 24th, 2005 at 3:20 pmafterthought, I’m not worried about Cindy at all — well, actually I’m concerned for her sanity.
btw, I wonder how much media attention is going to be paid to “Camp Reality”, which is just across the street from “Camp Casey” and is comprised of families with relatives in Iraq who are supportive of the President Bush and the war. My bet — maybe a 10 second mention at the end of a 5 minute Cindy segment.
August 24th, 2005 at 3:21 pmHey CC,
I wouldn’t know, I don’t watch TV, but
August 24th, 2005 at 3:22 pmI am sure “fair and balanced” will be there
as soon as they tear themselves away from Aruba.
“I think NED is a Hannity wannabe”
NED could be Hannity, or Limbaugh, or Coulter, or O’Reilly, or Cheney, or Mehlman. They all pretty much repeat the same Conservative talking points. Republican storm troopers might be another description…
August 24th, 2005 at 3:23 pm[…] Shorter Bush: Sheehan’s yapping makes me feel icky and freedom is best served by pro patria mori. […]
August 24th, 2005 at 3:23 pm“Republican storm troopers”
August 24th, 2005 at 3:25 pmI like that. It fits pretty well.
Terrytheturtle, you are spot-on with your comments, spot-on.
Those are exactly the reasons that were given, for the London bombings. And that is exactly the reasons why. Those young Muslim men from the North of England became radicalised.
And that is the reason why they strapped bombs to their bodies, and blew themselves up. Along with over fifty innocent victims, because they had become radicalised. They watched what was happening to fellow Muslims, in Iraq.
They watched the carnage of the bombing, ‘SHOCK AND AWE’. (Has there ever been a more unsuitable name given to a bombing campaign). They watched their TV’s they listened to their radios. They heard what President Bush and Prime Minister Blair had to say for the justification for going to war with Iraq. They watched the pictures, as the American forces loaded their bombs, ready for ‘shock & awe’. They read the slogans that had been painted on the bombs. ‘This is for 9/11’, ‘die you bastards, die’ and ‘isn’t payback a bitch’. (And these were some of the more friendly ones).
We then learnt that we went to war on a false premise, (most of us already knew this). Thousands of people had died, for what? Angry young Muslim men and women became angry and disillusioned with the rational and the reasoning for going to war. Their Prime Minister, and the so-called leader of the free world had lied to them. They were right for the picking, by the firebrand clerics. Right for doctrinal brain washing, they soon became radicalised.
Their hatred of the West grew, (even though they were British citizens). They loathed America and their own British government, all very sad, but so very true.
So why does Cindy Sheenan, and millions of other peoples, feel the need to protest? Why do people feel the need to blow themselves up? Simple George’s and Tony’s, phoney ‘War On Terror’.
August 24th, 2005 at 3:25 pmNo kidding afterthought, TV news is horrible.
August 24th, 2005 at 3:26 pmI don’t advocate anyone’s death loser. Unlike you who actually did favor removing someone’s feeding tube against her family’s wishes I am sure.
#126 - sorry, your talking points are so original. lol!! Keep telling yourself you’re smart.
August 24th, 2005 at 3:26 pmGary, if the armed forces of the U.S. aren’t in place to keep us free and safe from harm then we might as well get rid of them now.
The armed forces will not keep us free. That’s the job of each and every one of us. Freedom, and its forgotten counterpart Responsibility, are only possible with an informed citizenry - something that this administration has tried at every step to eliminate.
The armed forces didn’t keep us safe from harm in Oklahoma City, or New York, or Pennsylvania, or Washington, now did it… The armed forces are supposed to keep the country protected from other countries, which is not the same thing as “safe.” If you believe that “safe” is possible, check out Mt. Pinatubo in the Philippines. Wiped out an air base. “Safe” is for when you’re selling fear.
And while I’m at it, take the word War and shove that, too. The only war we have going is the one we started. There never was, and cannot be, a war on drugs, poverty or terror. War is fought between countries and what we have here is more like the gang fights during Prohibition. Yeah, it may take weapons to stop heavily armed gangs, but mostly it takes police work, intelligence, planning, cooperation and coordination. In other words, everything that this administration didn’t do.
August 24th, 2005 at 3:27 pmYou can’t realize it, but this movement is destroying your party.
Maybe it’s different where you live, but I don’t see any exodus here.
August 24th, 2005 at 3:29 pmBush directly insults not Cindy, but Casey Sheehan and all the troops who happen to not believe in the Iraq mess, but serve their country anyway. Bush is OFFICIALLY anti-troops now…
It’s REVOLUTION time here…
August 24th, 2005 at 3:29 pmEven worse, we have Bush supporters repeating, “The troops support Bush!”
How sick is that?
August 24th, 2005 at 3:31 pm#92 The Northeast Dilemma. If you are going to post your rightwing views here, at least get your facts straight. When BushCo ran against McCain for the Republican nomination, they attacked McCain by questioning his “mental” state and condition after being a POW in Vietnam for 7 years.
Kerry was smeared by a bunch of “Swiftboat Vets”, made up mainly of former naval, US Army and Air Force general officers, who never even saw a swiftboat. Some never even wore a uniform. The main mouthpiece who questioned his medals never served with him, never met him personally, and later worked for President Nixon to descredit him for his anti-war views after his discharge.
What makes you so damned sure Kerry’s medals were based on a lie? Were you there? As for his purple hearts, one or three, how much blood do you need to spill in service of your country before you are “deserving” of respect? How big the wound?
You remind me of that draft-dodging Dick Cheney, who got one deferment after another, and yet had the gall to question the patriotism and honor of those that did.
August 24th, 2005 at 3:32 pmPretty sick.
August 24th, 2005 at 3:32 pm#133 - what is Hillary’s opinion of Cindy Sheehan? Joe Biden? Gov. Mark Warner? Trust me has-been hippie, the left’s differences will be on full display come 2008. Your party is a mess. Yes, we have A Hagel, but he decides nothing for the GOP. You lose has-been.
August 24th, 2005 at 3:33 pm#136 - I never said Kerry didn’t earn his medals. I said he admitted to war crimes. Why don’t you get your facts straight.
August 24th, 2005 at 3:34 pmNED,
Why are so worried?
August 24th, 2005 at 3:34 pmI’m not worried. I’m happy. I love watching the left fall on their face…… again
August 24th, 2005 at 3:36 pmNed,
You never addressed your error on
August 24th, 2005 at 3:36 pmMcCain, which was where Leatherneck started.
Usual spin.
NED,
Way to much protesting from you for me to believe that.
August 24th, 2005 at 3:37 pmROFLMAO!!!
OK, OK, I get it. You guys at ThinkProgress are such sly devils. This Northeast Dilemma is really a plant by ThinkProgress to stir the pot and generate debate.
I mean, no one can really be as stupid as NED?
It’s got to be staged. You sly dogs. ;-)
August 24th, 2005 at 3:37 pmNED,
Want to talk war crimes?
August 24th, 2005 at 3:38 pm…The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.
–Wilfred Owen
August 24th, 2005 at 3:38 pmIf Neddy is a plant, could we take him out of the sun and stop watering him?
August 24th, 2005 at 3:41 pmHagel’s comments are driven from the fact that he wants to be president after ‘08 and he trying to distance himself from Bush in the process. I don’t think it will sell outside the Blue states and we know where that you get you…second place.
August 24th, 2005 at 3:43 pm#147 - good one. Have to go people have a deadline.
As far as McCain goes, mud was thrown from both sides, but Bush got blamed because he was a winner. If there is any question of McCain’s true temperment, why don’t you do a google on him, Maria Shriver and Super Tuesday 2000. Not sure you’ll like what you find.
Have a nice evening.
August 24th, 2005 at 3:43 pmOK, I have a serious question: why do so many of you jump on people with different opinions and call them stupid, moronic etc.
Seriously, why do you do this?
August 24th, 2005 at 3:44 pmI will be shocked if there isn’t a major “terrorist” event within the next two months that is serious enough to allow the Bush administration to crank up martial law and cause harsh repercussions around the price of oil and the job market. This one is gonna be worse than the last because of the planning that has gone into how the government will react.
Bush and co. may be on the ropes, but they will go down swinging. Bob and weave my friends, bob and weave.
August 24th, 2005 at 3:44 pmgod bless cindy, if you don’t know she’s correct then you are being blinded by the right or missing more than a brick from the load you were born with!
August 24th, 2005 at 3:48 pmOK, I have a serious question: why do so many of you jump on people with different opinions and call them stupid, moronic etc.
If the shoe fits….
August 24th, 2005 at 3:49 pm#139 You said he faked his war record and admitted to war crimes.
Are you saying you think he deserved his medals? Don’t flip-flop now.
August 24th, 2005 at 3:51 pmCC #150,
August 24th, 2005 at 3:51 pmThings get ragged after a bunch of posts
and people get snappy.
If you read the whole thing you will see that things
sort of build and then degrade to name-calling,
though some jump right to it.
I will say that you seem generally resonable.
I think all comment areas work like this from
what I have seen, so it is really a problem
everywhere.
Oh, and yes I did call NED a “Hannity wannabe”,
but I suppose that can be good or bad depending
how you feel about Hannity. ;^)
#151
This is a perfect of how whacked and kooky your party has become. Some of you think or believe that the government created 9/11.
“the Bush administration to crank up martial law” ????? Do you feel that your rights have been violated in some way? I personally have not been affected by the Patriot Act nor do I think it is an infringment upon anyone who is not trying to kill Americans in this country. What exactly is your problem? Do you hate America that bad? Maybe you should move to France.
August 24th, 2005 at 3:53 pmIn France, everyone gets August off, not just the President.
August 24th, 2005 at 3:55 pmRED,
It seems Chimpy is already pretending to be in
August 24th, 2005 at 3:56 pmFrance where they get five week vacations.
How do we know that His Fraudulency’s Great Within isn’t, perhaps, secretly bankrolling these crass attempts at “swift-boating” war critics?
And could there be the possibility for where ultra-conservative groups with known connexions to the Great Within may also be bankrolling same?
August 24th, 2005 at 3:57 pmwhat is Hillary’s opinion of Cindy Sheehan? Joe Biden? Gov. Mark Warner? Trust me has-been hippie, the left’s differences will be on full display come 2008. Your party is a mess. Yes, we have A Hagel, but he decides nothing for the GOP. You lose has-been. - NED
People who vote for the Republicans because they are “organized” and the Democrats are a “mess” don’t get the whole idea of democracy. Indeed, George Washington and others opposed the very idea of political parties because they would undermine the republic. And yet, for some people, the party with more discipline is considered superior?
To me, that the Democratic party is so raucus ought to be viewed as one of its strengths. As we have such a diversity of ideas, there is enough competition of ideas that the ideas that make it out of our party into governance are bound to be good based on the selection pressure within our party for good ideas.
Of course, we Dems. do need to be more disciplined. Like it or not, we need to play by the rules of the game as they exist now in order to have a say in changing those rules. And right now, a de facto rule (the changing of which requires getting people to think about the consequences of this rule and winning hearts and minds in a long term manner) is that the more disciplined party wins …
August 24th, 2005 at 3:59 pmafterthought, I think you’re right on. Threads tend to fall apart after a while. Happens on the right blogs too. As does name calling. It just strikes me as odd that people who pride themselves in being enlightened would basically cover their ears and go nananananana when somebody says something they don’t want to hear.
btw, I don’t think calling NED a Hannity wannabe was particularly vicious of you. :-)
August 24th, 2005 at 3:59 pmCC and NED and RED are just not worth the time. Just trolls and pretty piss poor ones at that.
August 24th, 2005 at 4:01 pmI’m sorry, but I think you’re being awfully disingenuous with your spin of those comments. That’s ok though, 9/10 times you guys hit the nail square on the head. I don’t think you’re characterization of what was said here is fair, however.
August 24th, 2005 at 4:03 pmRed, first off I don’t know what party you’re referring to, but I don’t belong to either of the two major parties so that your first mistake.
Secondly, I firmly believe that elements within our government were in fact complicit in the planning of 9/11. I don’t think GWB had anything to do with it though. Cheney is another story. CIA, absolutely. Once again go and investigate what Chenye was doing on the morning of 9/11, reread the PNAC doctrine and its stated goals. Pay attention and you will be able to connect the dots, I have confidence in you.
I’m not the one that said martial law will be implemented if there’s another majot terrorist attack on U.S. soil, people with real power and authority said it, including General Tommy Franks:
http://www.newsmax.com/ archives/ articles/ 2003/ 11/ 20/ 185048.shtml
Do I feel violated? Yes, I feel violated but not necessarily by the Patriot Act…yet. I feel violted that my tax dollars are being funneled into killing innocent people with the bobmbs of “shock and awe”. I feel violated because I don’t think the last two elections were legitimate. I feel violated because these a**holes keep telling the world how much they want to spread freedom and democracy and they’ve done everything humanly possible to thwart both. You’re damn right I feel violated. We all should.
I love what America, therefore I speak my opinion and fight against those that seek to harm it. The GOP is at the top of my shi* list.
How do you know I’m not already in France?
August 24th, 2005 at 4:03 pmSome of you think or believe that the government created 9/11. - Red
I don’t believe this, but assuming we did not know who was behind 9/11 (actually, a large number of people don’t seem to know this — they think Iraq was responsible somehow … hmmmm …), one of the first questions to ask to figure out who may have dunnit is “who benefits?”.
The President clearly benefitted politically from 9/11: look at his approval ratings before and after. This doesn’t mean he somehow did it, but it may suggest he had a motivation to be less than vigilant in dealing with a threat — and, in any other case, anyone would find such a benefit suspicious. Ask yourself: if Clinton were to have received more of a boost in popularity from 1993, wouldn’t it maybe seem suspicious to many on the right?
August 24th, 2005 at 4:03 pmgat,
If you feel that way then don’t respond to us. You know that we are right, just end your association with the left now and save yourself from another disappointing election year!
August 24th, 2005 at 4:03 pmRed,
It’s typical for “conservatives” (I use that term loosely) to redefine political dissent as hatred for the American people or America itself, however it is only self-serving and ignorant to do so. People can disagree dramatically with political leadership and still not hate the country or the people.
Do you have to be directly affected by something to stand up for what you may think is right or against what you think is wrong? If you feel that way, why do you support the war in Iraq? They never did anything to hurt you; they never effected you in anyway.
The “patriot act” creates the possibility for the government to infringe on the rights of good people. It makes it possible to “spy” on people based on false assumptions and lack of evidence. People are no longer considered innocent until proven guilty, they are treated guilty and then must prove their innocence. What’s wrong with people standing up and fighting for the principles they believe in?
Chomsky writes: “States are not moral agentsâ€
August 24th, 2005 at 4:04 pm>There are few things more difficult in life than seeing a loved one go off to war…Tammy Pruitt…knows that feeling six times over.
Yes, losing your only son, like Cindy did, is one of those few things.
So, you think Tammy might change her mind when some of her sons or her husband doesn’t make it back?
Any of them missing any limbs or shell-shocked yet?
Maybe the pResident should listen to some of those people who aren’t giving him the 36% approval rating.
August 24th, 2005 at 4:04 pmWolf Blitzer today, tackled the question ‘Was the cruise missile attack on Saddam on the eve of the war an assassination attempt?’
Its apparent that the threat of WMD’s or Iraqi involvement in 9/11 could provide adequate justification to go to war whereas installing Democracy (a political motive) would not. It is illegal for the US government to assassinate foreign leaders for political reasons.
Mounting evidence shows not only that there were no WMD’s or 9/11 connection, but that the administration may have had great reason to believe the claims were invalidated.
The question to ask now is: Was it incompetence or was it criminal?
August 24th, 2005 at 4:05 pmRed,
You truly are living in a small world if you believe that the emotion people lay out on this site is due to their sense of loss over an election.
You are showing your age and maturity by slapping people in the face with some loss they are not tied to directly, simply because you can’t prove them wrong in any other way.
August 24th, 2005 at 4:07 pmI agree, gat. I don’t understand why they have so much time to devote to us. And then they keep saying thank you. Weirdos.
August 24th, 2005 at 4:08 pmAmerica lives in freedom because of those families.
Fine.
But then, it behooves us all to pay attention when those families aren’t living at all, doesn’t it? Especially if a member of such a family just wants a short meeting at your vacation home.
August 24th, 2005 at 4:12 pmIt seems as though they are recruiting. The reds are only validated when they are en masse. It looks like some of them didn’t get enough parental attention. They have a desire to be “scolded” and look to us. They have to exist; like roaches.
August 24th, 2005 at 4:13 pmElvis - *hat tipped*
August 24th, 2005 at 4:14 pm36%, tighty righties. 36%. And falling. Some mandate.
Stealing isn’t winning, it’s making sure that everyone loses, rather than your pathetic republican bund. You assholes couldn’t win an election without your brownshirts and repig secretaries of state running the campaign, erasing Dem voting rolls, and assassinating the characters of your far more worthy adversaries, be they on your side (McCain) or not. You may have gotten very good at stealing elections, but you certainly have proven