During a live press conference, Cindy Sheehan responded to yesterday’s remarks by President Bush, which echoed Move America Forward’s “You Don’t Speak for Me, Cindy!” tour. Bush claimed that Sheehan “doesn’t represent the view of a lot of the families I have met with” who have lost their children in Iraq. Here is Sheehan’s response:
You know, I never ever got up here and said “I speak for every single Gold Star family, I speak for every single military family.” I’ve never said that. But I know I speak for thousands of them. I know we speak for thousands of them. We want to know, what is the noble cause our children died for? What is the noble cause they’re still fighting for and dying for every day? …
And there are other people who disagree with our position who have lost their children. I know with Karen here, and Melanie and Susan, we respect their rights to their opinions. At the end of the day…or at the beginning of this quest, we started in the same way — with our loved one coming home in a flag-draped coffin. And if there is any family who says that they believe their child died for a noble cause, I say that is your right, if that helps you get through the day, if that helps you in your pain. Because we might not have the same politics, but trust me, we have the same pain. And we do what we have to do to get through our pain, and we hope they respect us for that. We respect them in any way they have to do to get through their pain.
If keeping the neocon Republican Party in power for the next 50 years isn't a noble cause then I don't know what is.
August 25th, 2005 at 12:40 pmWho are Karen and Melanie and Susan? They are pro-war??
August 25th, 2005 at 12:42 pmBecause we might not have the same politics, but trust me, we have the same pain.
Amen. Thanks cindy.
August 25th, 2005 at 12:43 pmI wonder how big Cindy's ego is now? What happens when she becomes like Roe v Wade's Jane Roe, who know feels the exact opposite about abortion rights?
What happens when Cindy Sheehan decides that her life will be miserable until she starts believing that her son actually died for something meaningful.
August 25th, 2005 at 12:45 pmThese days Bush is only talking about two justifications for the continued military occupation of Iraq:
(1) If we withdraw, it will 'embolden the enemy'
(2) We have to stay in Iraq to honor the troops already fallen
It's almost like he's admitting the quagmire, but then adding that he has no other ideas besides continuing the war...
August 25th, 2005 at 12:50 pm#4 - Cindy and the other members of GSFP and MFSO are willing to undergo misery if it can save American troops from dying for no reason.
August 25th, 2005 at 12:52 pmIsn't it interesting that Cindy SHeehan is the only person with balls enough to stand up to these jerks. John Kerry just let these fools walk all over him. Most of the Dems just roll over when the Bushies say something untrue about them, but not Cindy. She speaks directly back.
Cindy for President.
Slogan:
August 25th, 2005 at 12:53 pmI have balls!
That would just make your day, wouldn't it Corryn. Don't quit your day job to be a fortune teller.
August 25th, 2005 at 12:54 pmdamn, that woman is a class act. she has done more to bring honor and integrity back to the debate about the war than anyone elected into office.
go, cindy, go!!!
August 25th, 2005 at 12:55 pm"I’m not meeting again with that goddamned bitch," Bush screamed at aides who suggested he meet again with Cindy Sheehan, the war-protesting mother whose son died in Iraq.
"She can go to hell as far as I’m concerned!"
via: http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7267.shtml
George Bush is a very dangerous, deranged man slipping into a psychotic state the endangers every American regardless of political membership.
August 25th, 2005 at 12:58 pmUmm.. spudge boy, you forgot me... I've challenged Bush for a national debate on Iraq and the challenge still stands...
http://www.madison.com/tct/news/stories/index.php?ntid=51627&ntpid=0
August 25th, 2005 at 1:00 pmBush can't meet with Cindy because he has no answers. He'll just have Rove pull the puppet string and another "stay the course" will come out of his mouth. It looks like the noble cause is the emergence of an Islamic state that is friendly with Iran. Our troops are dying so Iraq can be aligned with one of the axis of evil. Great work by the neocons who wanted this war long before 9/11. The people who still support it have surely drank the kool-aid.
August 25th, 2005 at 1:04 pmIt is so incredibly refreshing in today's political world of "attack and smear", a world that Corryn relishes, that a person can take a stand, discuss the issue, and respond to their detractors and those who disagree with them with such grace and dignity. For that alone I applaud Ms. Sheehan.
For her loss, I offer my sincerest condolences. Her cause I agree with wholeheartedly and offer my full support. If Pat Robertson wants to witness the grace of God, I suggest that he merely observe Ms. Sheehan.
August 25th, 2005 at 1:05 pmSorry Russ,
Cindy publically disputes, with facts, everytime these jerks say anything. It is about time somebody took them on everyday.
If you intend on my support, come out and say it like it is. Call them liars, don't just say they are wrong, because they are more than wrong. They are lying.
August 25th, 2005 at 1:05 pmIt isn't a matter of Cindy's ego. It's a matter of her shifting the debate from whether or not the war itself is legitimate, to whether she has a legitimate right to demand a meeting with the President.
Whether you agree or sympathize with her is irrelevant. The reality is that her actions are drawing attention away from what she really wants (that our sons and daughters are dying for an illegitimate war) and onto herself.
Also, like the Schiavos, I fear that her quest will be manipulated by larger political factions looking to score some cheap points.
August 25th, 2005 at 1:13 pmKeep hanging onto this moron. She'll help Hillary and other "moderates" to lose the nomination in 2008. Then, we you idiots nominate some anti-war fool like Dean, can we laugh and point.
#14 - what are you, some kind of jesus freak?
August 25th, 2005 at 1:13 pmNice photo. This proves that "All VFW members support the war" is a lame myth.
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7262.shtml
August 25th, 2005 at 1:14 pm"God Bless You Cindy Sheehan" by Les Visible
#1 Country song hit
http://www.soundclick.com/genres/charts.cfm?genre=Country
This song says it all - Bush is a liar and a coward, Cindy is a hero. She goes where others fear to tread, with the heart of a mother who has lost of her beloved son.
August 25th, 2005 at 1:16 pm#12. The article was a good read on Russ Feingold. Thanks for posting.
August 25th, 2005 at 1:17 pmMost wing-nuts want another Kerry (Hillary or Biden) to be nominated, so that it's gonna be smooth sailing for them...
But behold, the silent majority is rising...
August 25th, 2005 at 1:18 pmThese comments from Cindy sound a lot less partisan than some of her earlier ones. Is she getting coached or did she have 'reasonability' transplant while she was in LA?
August 25th, 2005 at 1:19 pmThe country is waking up to the nightmare wrought by Bush. The mask of lies is being torn away and Bush's evil is being revealed.
Withdraw the troops now.
Forget the Democratic party. They are for appeasement, compromise, more of the same bs.
Tom Hayden's plan is bs.
August 25th, 2005 at 1:21 pmhttp://www.counterpunch.org/goff08252005.html
The people united can never be defeated.
Ohioan, that Capitol Hill Blue site looks about as reputable as the National Enquirer...
August 25th, 2005 at 1:21 pmThe humanitarian aspects of our mission in Iraq are underreported - or completely unreported - amid a constant drumbeat of body counts and other negative news. Here is an excerpt from an article by Katherine Kersten in the Minneapolis Star Tribune:
"According to government and policy organization sources, Iraq today has a vibrant free press, with roughly 170 independent newspapers and magazines, up from zero under Saddam Hussein. Thousands of schools have been constructed or refurbished, and more than 200 water treatment projects are underway or have been completed.
"In Fallujah, Mosul and Najaf, the scene of brutal fighting last year, the American military is building schools and clinics, extending power lines and laying water and sewage pipes.
"Thanks to those efforts, the Iraqi people will soon vote in a historic constitutional referendum. Sunni leaders, who boycotted the January 2005 elections, are urging their people to join the electoral process. But even heartening news like this, which does get media attention, is often drowned out in the public mind by reports of periodic American casualties."
August 25th, 2005 at 1:22 pm#22 - Cindy has remained constant in her message from day one. You just couldn't hear her until now. It's your ears that have changed.
August 25th, 2005 at 1:22 pmWhy does it always have to be "coached"? Outside of Fox News chambers and RNC meeting rooms, people can think independently in this country.
And coached by whom? Feingold? Nobody in power is asking Bush to explain his "noble cause"..
August 25th, 2005 at 1:24 pmOhioan, check out today's Capitol Hill Blue. Bush apparently like the middle finger and has one foul mouth. Now we now why he won't talk to her directly; he doesn't talk to anyone who disagrees with him. He is insane - certifiable.
August 25th, 2005 at 1:25 pmBoy, Cindy sure bugs the hell out of the trolls doesn't she?
August 25th, 2005 at 1:25 pmCC - of course, Sheehan is being coached. They had to put a muzzle on her Palestinian loving. Just like the MSM tried to cover for Kerry.
Unfortunate for the left, they no longer have a monopoly on the media. Cindy will be slandered as the terrorist sympathizer that she is.
August 25th, 2005 at 1:25 pmIt is bigger than Cindy Sheehan. She is merely a catalyst.
August 25th, 2005 at 1:26 pmYou just don't get it, do you NED? You dumb shits keep right on attacking her and calling her names---which is exactly what we want you to do to a flag-waving, patriotic devistated mother who lost her son in combat.
People are starting to see how much bull shit it takes to make up a real "compassionate conservative."
August 25th, 2005 at 1:26 pmP & P - you're insane, certifiable!!! Please, you people still think Bush stole the election for god's sake.
August 25th, 2005 at 1:26 pmMe thinks you reds doth protest way too much.
August 25th, 2005 at 1:26 pmHow's that quicky constitution coming along?
August 25th, 2005 at 1:28 pmCindy REALLY gets under the troll skin.
August 25th, 2005 at 1:28 pmBlue State Red
What happened in Falluja was a war crime
http://www.wbai.org/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=4179&Itemid=2
August 25th, 2005 at 1:29 pmWhat a sad joke BSR - we razed Fallujah to the ground, "the scene of brutal fighting last year" was caused by us.. men, women and children were killed indiscriminately.
Rahul Mahajan was the only reporter inside the town.
http://www.empirenotes.org/fallujah.html
August 25th, 2005 at 1:29 pm#33 - nonsense. You people call Bush a liar and a war criminal on a daily basis. Your girlfriend Cindy called him the biggest terrorist in the world. It is not wrong to point that out. Her favorables are in the toilet. People are getting sick of her. AND the right wing is finally waking up that we have to fight back against the anti-war crowd's lies.
Liberal definition of freedom of speech - you can say whatever you want no matter how little truth their is to it and if conservatives point that out, we're smearing you. You people give new meaning to the word "PIG".
August 25th, 2005 at 1:29 pmP & P - keep cheering for failure in Iraq. Real American of you.
August 25th, 2005 at 1:30 pmGee NED, Why does one lady bother your
August 25th, 2005 at 1:31 pmmud slinging machine so much?
There sure are a lot more rightwingers here recently... what's the beef? You've got plenty of your own sites to bash us - go there.
August 25th, 2005 at 1:32 pmAT - get over yourself. I hate opportunists who exlpoit death for political gain.
August 25th, 2005 at 1:33 pmI see that, afterthought. They are pulling out all the stops, but to no avail. Ce' la' vie redcoats. Stick a fork in this admin. it is done.
August 25th, 2005 at 1:33 pmBlue State Red
August 25th, 2005 at 1:35 pmFalluja was a war crime
http://www.antiwar.com/glantz/
Blue State Red ... did you CHUG the kool-aid, or did you just sip?
my god - no one is saying that only death and destruction is happening in Iraq - what we ARE saying is that W did not send us there to build schools or to rebuild water plants. He sent us there because he said that Saddam had WMDs and was an imminent threat to US safety.
He didn't and he wasn't.
Period.
It was a lie.
As for the progress being made on the Constitution - I don't know if you actually, you know, READ the news, but there is NO vote today. The Sunnis are registering to vote, yes - so they can VOTE DOWN the constitution. Oh, and the version currently on the table makes Islam the national religion and Sharia Law the basis of their government.
That, my friendly, is NOT "building a democracy"
August 25th, 2005 at 1:35 pmI wonder why there are no big name Dems standing next to Cindy? Could it be that they don't to be associated with an ultra-left nutjob. A sympathetic nutjob to be sure, but a loon nonetheless.
August 25th, 2005 at 1:35 pmBTW NED,
Isn't it about time for your "fair and balanced"
August 25th, 2005 at 1:36 pmscreaming heads to pay some nut-job to claim
Cindy is a cannibal or something?
Call Rove, he always has good ideas for smears.
Oh that's right, he's meeting with his lawyers
again. That must explain why your spin-points
are stale.
Forget Ned, Ned's brain is dead
August 25th, 2005 at 1:37 pmThe reference to "Pig" is bizarre. Ned must be very young, and not very well informed.
Don't be so ignorant. There is nothing to win. What will happen when we (eventually) pull out? Civil war? As I asked you reds before, but you won't answer, do we stay until all of their troops are trained? What happens when they are trained, but aren't enough of them? What happens if they break out in civil war? Will we go back? What are we winning?
August 25th, 2005 at 1:37 pmAT - get over yourself. I hate opportunists who exlpoit death for political gain.
Comment by The Northeast Dilemma
you mean like W invoking 9/11 in every. frickin'. speech. ???
August 25th, 2005 at 1:37 pmCindy Sheehan is a hero. Bush is a liar and a coward. The neo-cons are nazis. Ned is an ignorant fool who mixes metaphors.
August 25th, 2005 at 1:38 pmNeD is obviously very young and very bored and very upset. NeD needs "parental" type attention.
August 25th, 2005 at 1:39 pmAT - get over yourself. I hate opportunists who exlpoit death for political gain.
Hee hee. Of course you do, Neddy.
August 25th, 2005 at 1:39 pmI think Northeast Dilemma is really NOrtheast Disaster.
August 25th, 2005 at 1:39 pmI wonder why there are no big name Dems standing next to Cindy? Could it be that they don’t to be associated with an ultra-left nutjob. A sympathetic nutjob to be sure, but a loon nonetheless.
Comment by Concerned Conservative
because to politicize this movement is to cause its death ... but your "concern" is touching.
really.
August 25th, 2005 at 1:39 pmConcerned COnservative
August 25th, 2005 at 1:40 pmThere are no big name Dems next to Cindy cause the big name Dems are liars and cowards just like Bush and the right wing.
Thanks #52. NED left himself open for that one.
August 25th, 2005 at 1:40 pm#55 *giggle* *snort*
August 25th, 2005 at 1:40 pm#44 What about people who use phrases like 'pull out Cindy Sheehan's feeding tube' for political gain? Pat Robertson demanded that the CIA pull out Chavez feeding tube the other day. Not very nice things to say, really.
August 25th, 2005 at 1:40 pm#48 - lol! This blog is great. The only person that represents them in power is Howard Dean. AND look what happened him.
I'm leaving for the day. You can thank me later. You people need help if you beleive just half the stuff you write. Stop hating America and pray that win, willya? Sheesh. If you had hated the terrorists or "freedom fighters" as much as you hated Bush, we might stand a chance in the War on Terror.
August 25th, 2005 at 1:40 pm#55 ... TOO-SHAY!!!
August 25th, 2005 at 1:41 pm#62
August 25th, 2005 at 1:41 pmYou're the one who hates America. You want to drag us into hateful evil activities. LIke Robertson and Bush you pervert our country.
Yes, NeD, and then terror would end forever. Only if we believed in Bush. You are a maniac.
August 25th, 2005 at 1:42 pmDon't let the firewall hit on the way out NED.
August 25th, 2005 at 1:43 pm62 and the other hating trolls leave when the going gets rough. You would think they'd be in favor of withdrawing from Iraq. But their egos are so huge, like Bush, they jsut can't admit they are dead wrong.
August 25th, 2005 at 1:44 pmNow, NED, tusk, tusk. What is with the name calling, like "PIG" and such? Can't you hold your own here? My question to you is why a republican administration, republican house, republican senate, and republican war in Iraq feel it NEEDS to "fight back" as you put it, against a war-torn mother who has lost her son?
How pathetic that the government headed by the most powerful man in the world is brought against her, the rightwing talk show hosts and the Faux News Network are all frothing at the mouth trying to destroy her? One devistated woman scares hell out of all of you.
What's next? Pat Robertson proposing a "hit" on her to make her go away?
August 25th, 2005 at 1:45 pm68 - Right on
August 25th, 2005 at 1:46 pmAll these big strong haters can't tolerate one mother's love for her dead son.
God bless Cindy! She is showing precisely how to do it. Don't get upset with the military families that Bush is drafting into fighting his battles for him. They may disagree with our position, but they share the same pain that Cindy has. We should honor that and refuse to get drawn into a distracting fight.
August 25th, 2005 at 1:46 pmCindy blows Bush away with her feather of motherly love
August 25th, 2005 at 1:47 pm#68 hank, Ned's website includes a statement about terminating Cindy Sheehan just like Terri Schiavo. Ned calling someone a 'pig', or a 'fascist scumbag' is child's play to advocating hate crime. He's still sore that his pinup girl Ann Coulter attacked his manhood: http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/08/23.html#a4591
August 25th, 2005 at 1:49 pm#48 - CC - "ultra-left nutjob"
Crazy woman raised an eagle-scout honor student marine. What a nut-job...
CC, you're no better than NeD, I had earlier mistaken you for otherwise.
August 25th, 2005 at 1:49 pmOhioan
August 25th, 2005 at 1:52 pmCC is like alot of fence sitters - be they liberal or conservative. They talk alot of high-minded crap
NEDster.... You are such an angry person. Too bad you are a direct reflection of the people in charge of this country. Is it any wonder the rest of the world...(Can they all be terrorists?) dislike, disagree, fail to support us. This prez is an insecure and intellectually challanged person. He must sling mud and have others attack anyone who disagrees with him...it's how lesser intelligent animals survive in the wildernss of life. While you may pray, plot, rant, threaten everyone on earth, for the opposition to disappear from the face of the earth, that will only happen in your fantasy dream world. Life simply does not work that way....
August 25th, 2005 at 1:58 pmJust to be clear, I do have sympathy for Cindy. My 'nutjob' comment is based on some of the things she has said: "we are in a nuclear war in Iraq", "Bush is a terrorist" -- these are delusional rants. OK, maybe she's not a nutjob, but she's at least delusional.
August 25th, 2005 at 2:01 pmCite it CC.
August 25th, 2005 at 2:03 pmGod bless Cindy! She is showing precisely how to do it. Don’t get upset with the military families that Bush is drafting into fighting his battles for him. They may disagree with our position, but they share the same pain that Cindy has. We should honor that and refuse to get drawn into a distracting fight.
What? Bush is not drafting anyone, you idiot! We have an all volunteer army. You need to stop living in the sixties. Cindy may speak for a few families, but she does not speal for all or most military families. Pulling out now will not honor her son's death. What it would do is admit defeat. Let me say this once and for all, Iraq is not another Vietnam! It never was and never will be. I don't get how liberals can get away with saying they support the troops but don't support the war. What if I were to say I support the war, but don't support the troops. That wouldn't make sense would it? But it makes about as much sense as what liberals are saying today. They want to oppose the war yet appear to be patriotic as well. Not possible.
August 25th, 2005 at 2:03 pm#4 Corryn, you are one sick individual. A twisted view, a mean-spirited comment, probably the result of being a Limbaugh-listening, Fox-viewing, unchristian-religious right wing nut, Bush-sycophant.
August 25th, 2005 at 2:04 pmI wonder why there are no big name Dems standing next to Cindy?
Perhaps because she is a private citizen, dealing with her grief in her own way? Perhaps because the big name dems aren't going to trot her out to exploit her for political gain?
Not like Bush, who explicitly invited his own war mother onto the campaign trail with him. Now that is shameless.
August 25th, 2005 at 2:05 pmBan Now! For Repetitive Stupidity Injury and trolling without a license...
Constipated Conservative
The Norbeast Dilenema
August 25th, 2005 at 2:05 pmJust to be clear, I do have sympathy for Cindy. My ‘nutjob’ comment is based on some of the things she has said: “we are in a nuclear war in Iraqâ€, “Bush is a terrorist†— these are delusional rants. OK, maybe she’s not a nutjob, but she’s at least delusional.
Bush is a terrorist. Hint: "shock and awe" is a synonym for terrorism, especially when it kills tens of thousands of innocent people.
As for the nuclear war thing, if she literally believes that then she is delusional, but more likely it was said metaphorically, if at all.
August 25th, 2005 at 2:06 pmWhat? Bush is not drafting anyone, you idiot! We have an all volunteer army.
Bush invited the families to join him. It was his idea, he took the initiative. Cindy took her own initiative. Bush is clearly using the families in a political campaign. When one of Bush's daughters gets blown up in Iraq, he can speak to the issue himself.
Cindy also said she does not speak for all families.
What if I were to say I support the war, but don’t support the troops.
Then I would say you and Bush have a lot in common.
August 25th, 2005 at 2:08 pmNevermind parsing BushCo's collective statements, just focus on Cindy's statements. Pretty hypocritical, eh CC?
August 25th, 2005 at 2:08 pmCC - Cindy was referring to depleted uranium not 'nucular' warheads. Check your source, Bush is a terrorist is easy to justify. By Bush's own definition a leader of a country harboring a terrorist or terrorist group is a terrorist. Well I think Senor Posada is probably a terrorist, or maybe a 'freedom fighter' - you tell me how bombing hotels and passenger aircraft sets you free... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Posada_Carriles
August 25th, 2005 at 2:09 pmBe Unique! Support War! Any War!
August 25th, 2005 at 2:09 pm
Go back to Mordor trolls.
August 25th, 2005 at 2:10 pm#78 ... geez Red, take a deep breath ...
no one said Bush reinstated the draft - we said he is drafting military families to fight his fight against Cindy Sheehan instead of being a MAN and facing her, himself.
as far as Iraq not being another Viet Nam - you can think what you want, but at least be honest with yourself. The biggest enemy in VN was the VC - a faceless enemy we fought in the shadows. The insurgents are the same. do you really want to stay there another 10 years so that the death toll is the same, as well?
August 25th, 2005 at 2:11 pmPathetically hilarious!
Camp Qualls: Pathetically hilarious!
August 25th, 2005 at 2:11 pmDamn, I may have been to late. I really want a fairly intelligent conservative to illustrate convincingly an argument for our invasion and occupation of Iraq.
WMD's (X)no ( )yes
Nukes (X)no ( )yes
Terrorists (x)no ( )yes
Establish Democracy (X)no ( )yes
Noble Cause* (x)no ( )yes
*unless you consider establishing another theology based government one.
Control of Oil (x)no ( )yes
Dispose of Dictator ( )no (x)yes
Huge Defense Contracts ( )no (x)yes
C'mon busco supporters. Fill in the gaps for us.
August 25th, 2005 at 2:12 pmOh sorry, I omitted my details on DU, the WMD that keeps on giving...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium
Make sure you read the 'Legal Status of Military Use' - see if you draw a conclusion or two about UN resolutions, US compliance and so on there.
August 25th, 2005 at 2:12 pmBan Me!
August 25th, 2005 at 2:12 pmIraq is not Vietnam, Bush knew how to get out of Vietnam
August 25th, 2005 at 2:13 pmSkid,
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3.htm
hippie, more like they aren't going to trot her out for political loss.
August 25th, 2005 at 2:14 pmCC - nice of you to apologize and downgrade your nut-job comment to "delusional". That's way more reasonable than most right-wingers, in all seriousness.
Also, CC - read #85: More about the depleted uranium here:
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0515/p01s02-woiq.html
And I agree, only nut-jobs (sorry "delusional") are protesting the use of DU by our military. If protesting DU earns me the title "delusional", then so be it.
August 25th, 2005 at 2:14 pm#57, well known democrats are not physically standing with Sheehan because they don't want to be accused of politicizing her independent movement. Sheehan's detractors are always making an argument where the Dems are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Don't look now, but the public is catching on to your game plan.
August 25th, 2005 at 2:15 pmMy oh my what a spirited debate. Though, not much of a debate as the opposing view does not offer arguments, just insults. Attack and smear is such a sophmoric method that it's disappointing to see it so widely used by people who should be more mature and intelligent.
As for those who have doubts regarding Ms. Sheehan's message and motives, all I have to say is to quit thinking so Rovian. Her message is clear, to break through the lies and deceit relating to the reasoning for the Iraq war/conflict/nation-building/democracy-spreading/terror-fighting/honoring -the-dead debacle. Her motives are clear as well, to stop the killing and the dishonorable use of the military.
To those who question Ms. Sheehan's agenda I ask the simple question of what is it that you think she is after? Power? Oil? Money? How is it that you feel it justified to question Ms. Sheehan but not Bush, or Cheney, or the party in power? I suggest that you apply some logic and common sense and realize that what is being debated is not whose sports team is better than the other. What is at stake is not a win-at-all-cost scenario. It is better to humbly admit error and stop than to "stay the course" and smile with pride as you mow over the children in the crosswalk.
August 25th, 2005 at 2:15 pmThe Holloway story is out of control. I couldn’t even watch Hannity for weeks because of it. It’s plain nonsense if you ask me.
Comment by The Northeast Dilemma
August 25th, 2005 at 2:18 pmcome on NED, whos your daddy????
Hey, you learned how to cite drudge CC. I'm proud. By definiton of terrorist, tell me how attacking a country and civilians that didn't attack us isn't a form of terrorism.
August 25th, 2005 at 2:19 pmCiting Drudge as more than parody should be punished with instantaneous banishment from the land of the living. In Texas they call it the Death Penalty, a Capital Idea!
August 25th, 2005 at 2:19 pmHa ha! CC criticizes me for quoting http://www.capitolhillblue.com (sort of rightly so, I meant to point out the the VFW photograph more as a lighter moment), but he/she then quotes Drudge! What a hypocrite!
August 25th, 2005 at 2:19 pmI'm surprised that Drudge didn't do any photoshopping on that pic of Cindy.
August 25th, 2005 at 2:22 pmPresident Bush continues to play down such defeatist talk. Speaking to Idaho National Guard troops on Wednesday he said an immediate withdrawal of troops would "embolden" the terrorists (it's his new talking point, and dittoheads everywhere will be repeating it any chance they get).
The chimp and co. do have one thing right. The Iraqi people will produce flowers and shower our military with them.....when we exit.
Want to see a party?? Announce a withdrawl.
August 25th, 2005 at 2:24 pmThe civil war is heating up. It makes little difference what we do now. It's all over but the shooting.
August 25th, 2005 at 2:30 pmHey Freaks,
I laugh so hard when I read your sad little comments. Go ahead, support Cindy Sheehan. Make your absurd claims. Hold a press conference and call for the immediate withdrawal of our troops. Reveal your ignorance.
I encourage this because America is listening. And they feel good because the MAJORITY of Americans continue to believe the Republican Party is the strongest party to fight the war on terror.
Go ahead and insult your fellow Democrats who support the troops and the war in Iraq. Shift so far to the left that they will join ranks with us in the Republican Party.
You peacenik liberals just don't get it. And because you don't get it, we'll be in power for the next 50 years.
August 25th, 2005 at 2:31 pmOh, look. A brand new troll. Too bad he has nothing new to say.
August 25th, 2005 at 2:32 pmIt's funny how lily-livered Dems are testing the waters with Cindy. Here's loser John Edwards, using his wife:
http://www.oneamericacommittee.com/speakout/
August 25th, 2005 at 2:32 pmComment by Concerned Conservative — August 25, 2005 @ 2:14 pm
“delusionalâ€
And then there's Pat Robertson. A shining republican conservative fundementalist. Conservatives across the country, hanging on his every word.
Apparently Pat is a an example of intelligence, compassion, moral values and leadership ability.
But Cindy Sheehan is "delusional"??
August 25th, 2005 at 2:33 pmGary,
When was the last time you said anything original?
August 25th, 2005 at 2:35 pmPathetically hilarious! Camp Qualls! It's so lonely!
August 25th, 2005 at 2:35 pm#76
How many times do you have to be told that you are quoting out of context?
"we are in a nuclear war in Iraq"
Cindy was talking about DEPLETED URANIUM ROUNDS THAT ARE NUCLEAR. So, she is not a nut job, because that is a true statement.
Everytime you post that, you make yourself look stupid.
August 25th, 2005 at 2:36 pmthe war on terror was created by the republican party(and weak democrats,which is most of them). not al-qaeda. bin laden is still a CIA asset. thats why he hasnt been caught. but you sheep keep telling yourselves the republicans are "tough" while they rape you and steal your freedom. i love how Bush always says"they hate our freedoms" and you sheep eat that shit up. Bush hates our freedoms, thats why hes systematically stealing them.not just Bush, hes basically a puppest making his big business oil buddies rich, but the administration and government as a whole.turn off your media, its full of shit and you know it.
August 25th, 2005 at 2:36 pmRed,
When was the last time you strung more than 3 words together coherently without referring to the script?
August 25th, 2005 at 2:37 pmGary,
When was the last time you said anything original?
Last Tuesday. I think it went something like "Fnargly oogle grunk! Grunk!" Why do you ask?
August 25th, 2005 at 2:37 pmReveal your ignorance.
Comment by Ima Right — August 25, 2005 @ 2:31 pm
Enlighten me? Humor me with your brilliant insight?
Explain the last morphing of this invasion of a "Noble Cause".
Explain why we are there.
August 25th, 2005 at 2:39 pmand to CC, if he was able to turn off CNN or whatever trash he watches, and actually inform himself and form his OWN opinion, he would know that Spudge Boy and Cindy are right about the depleted uranium comment.
August 25th, 2005 at 2:39 pmYou can go round in circles or you can ignore the trolls. Ignoring them works. Otherwise you give .001% of the population more credibility and voice than it deserves.
August 25th, 2005 at 2:39 pmPathetically Delicious!
Camp Qualls: Tickets Still Available
All the smart Republicans with just a shred of decency and common sense are at Camp Casey waiting for the chimpeachment.
August 25th, 2005 at 2:41 pmGetting back to Sheehan's comments. I think they are some of the most eloquent words that she has spoken. Those criticizing her have set up a straw man by claiming that she claimed to speak for all parents of fallen soldiers. Sheehan is clearly not a seasoned media star, but she is clearly a distraught mother who does not understand why her son had to die. Like for many of us, not all, this war does not make any sense. Dying for a mission that this country asked you to perform is noble. However, this does not mean that the mission is noble -- especially a mission based on false justification (the existence of WMDs and a supposed connection between Iraq and 9/11).
August 25th, 2005 at 2:42 pmBush: U.S. Can't Win War On Terror.
August 25th, 2005 at 2:43 pmNo eloquence coming from Camp Qualls? It's not because they are backward crackers. It's because there AIN'T NOBODY THERE!
August 25th, 2005 at 2:44 pm
And NRO is empty brained enough to post these photos?
Pull the feeding tubes on these poor bastards! They are fricking brain dead! Persistent Vegetative state? Any Red State! Monty Python Parrot Sketch, Already!
Camp Qualls: Tickets Still Available
August 25th, 2005 at 2:47 pmHey, there were people there. Until word got around that there were Army recruiters in the area.
August 25th, 2005 at 2:50 pmBush: Not bad, not just the worst. Pathetic.
August 25th, 2005 at 2:51 pm“And the president has presented us with a false choice. It’s either stay the course or cut and run. What I’m suggesting is we can have a middle course, a course that allows us for success in Iraq and allows us to return to the larger issue, which is the fight against terrorism all around the world.â€
August 25th, 2005 at 2:51 pm"We are waging a nuclear war in Iraq right now."
If she was talking about depleted uranium, why didn't she say so?
If one of you has a spare Cindy Sheehan decoder kit, please give it to me. Until then I will continue to take her at her word.
August 25th, 2005 at 2:53 pmAccording to government and policy organization sources, Iraq today has a vibrant free press, with roughly 170 independent newspapers and magazines, up from zero under Saddam Hussein. Thousands of schools have been constructed or refurbished, and more than 200 water treatment projects are underway or have been completed.
Comment by Blue State Red
'According to government and policy organisation sources'. And therein lies the problem, of your argument, Red.
George, Paul, Donald and Karl, tell us everything is just fine in Iraq. Therefore things must really be a mess in Iraq.
George W. Bush and his cohorts are up shit creek, without a paddle. You know it to be true Red. But if you don’t keep posting your troll posts, then your master’s will stop paying you, if you turn from the dark side. Feel the force Red, feel the force.
You'll have to go away and read your '101 great excuses for a card carrying Republican troll to make, when confronted with the truth by the left'
Try the chapter, entitled, 'liar, liar, pants on fire'. Perfect for all right-wing nut-jobs, who know their President is lying, but can't bring themselves to believe it could be true.
Tell me Red, when George W. Bush farts, does He smell of roses?
August 25th, 2005 at 2:56 pm"We had hoped that the lessons learned from the Vietnam War would be clear to our fellow citizens. Public protests against the war here at home while our young men and women are in harm's way on the other side of the globe only provide aid and comfort to our enemies. "
Thomas Cadmus, national commander
And we had hoped that the lessons would have sunk in too. If we hadn't have protested the war in Vietnam when the body count went over 30,000, we would have still been there. As it was, the body count exceed 58,000 troops and 3 million Vietnamese.
Fortunately for the American Legion, we gonna bust up this bullshit in Iraq before the numbers come even remotely close to those in Vietnam.
Hey commander, why don't you send in the ROTC like you did at Kent and blow away the protestors at Crawford.
That should comfort our enemies!!
August 25th, 2005 at 2:56 pmTry some Ex-Lax, Constipated Conservative. It will help you hear better and that will improve your comprehension of the words that are coming out of her mouth and reduce the crap coming out of yours because you are so full of shit.
August 25th, 2005 at 2:57 pmCC, is depleted uranium not technically nuclear? shes a lot more direct and clear than your lord Bush.
August 25th, 2005 at 2:57 pm#105
"I encourage this because America is listening. And they feel good because the MAJORITY of Americans continue to believe the Republican Party is the strongest party to fight the war on terror."
Talk about delusional. Sheesh. Do you read anything?
August 25th, 2005 at 2:59 pmHilarious BWDT. Who's your ghost writer, your 9 year old son?
August 25th, 2005 at 3:00 pmdont mind CC, hes only here to regurgitate talking points and stir shit up.thats why he nit-picks like he does. he has nothing original to add.
August 25th, 2005 at 3:01 pmC,
I'm not a scientist but I do believe that depleted uranium is nuclear material. However, to me the words "in a nuclear war" implies that we are using nuclear weapons on them. I'm pretty sure that hasn't happened. Yet.
August 25th, 2005 at 3:02 pmnotice, he just attacked you,attacks others statements, but never really makes his own but to recycle what you might hear on Hannity or Rush.not an independent thinker.
August 25th, 2005 at 3:02 pmGotta go. Later haters.
August 25th, 2005 at 3:03 pmgood job, i know you gotta go bone up on your talking points.
August 25th, 2005 at 3:04 pmOne of the things that seems to be a constant refrain of the "stay the course" crowd is that anyone who doesn't agree with them is a "liberal," "lefty," "Dem," "delusional," or "nutcase extremist."
And of those people who don't agree with them and who are able to articulate the reasons intelligently and with facts and knowledge, it must be that they're being "handled and coached."
How very, very wrong they are.
It's very evident to the majority of Americans now -- not just the names you throw around, but lots of mainstream folks and even more and more Republicans (or now-ex-Republicans) -- that this administration lied to start a war they had long-planned. And frankly, a lot of people would have gone along with that if these people had done it with any competence. But beyond the first military actions, which were a foregone conclusion considering the balance of powers involved, it was always "faith-based" -- as in "just have faith and it will all turn out fine."
Sorry -- they say that "faith" is belief in something that can't be evidenced by facts. And that's fine for things like belief in God where there are no facts available as evidence one way or another.
But where the facts are very much in evidence, its those who instead cling to "faith" who are self-delusional. And it was evident to anyone knowledgeable about the region that this administration was basing everything on faith, even before the war. I knew it for certain when Paul Wolfowitz testified before Congress that Iraq would be easy "because they didn't have ethnic factions." Not every American knew enough about Iraq to understand its ethnic (and religious) factionalism, but one would sure as hell expect the #2 guy planning the war to know. And to make matters worse, their only "faith" is that they can change reality by just shouting louder and trying to drown out or smear anyone who points out those pesky facts.
"Stay the course..." right. They say the definition of insanity is repeating the same behavior in the same situation and expecting a different outcome.
More and more Americans of all persuasions are giving up that insanity every day. And you don't have to be "handled" or "coached" or "given a set of talking points" OR a "lefty, liberal, or Democrat" to recognize when you're being given bullshit that doesn't square what you know of your own personal knowledge to be fact.
August 25th, 2005 at 3:06 pmAnd, today, the linkage between Iraq and the war on terrorism that has worked for Mr Bush in the past is taking its toll. Barely a majority give the president positive marks for handling the war on terrorism - down from 66 per cent when he was re-elected in 2004.
The Bush presidency is all about Iraq and today neither is doing well.
The writer is president of Zogby International, an independent polling firm in New York.
“I encourage this because America is listening. And they feel good because the MAJORITY of Americans continue to believe the Republican Party is the strongest party to fight the war on terror.â€
Talk about delusional. Sheesh. Do you read anything?
Comment by Spudge-Boy — August 25, 2005 @ 2:59 pm
Pleeez take your hand of your "spudge" and then your head out of your ass.
It's "barely a majority" and slipping.
August 25th, 2005 at 3:16 pm#126 - CC send me your Bush decoder first. The one with the definition of 'noble cause' in it. Then Cindy can go home and we all go back to "missing white people" on the Larry King show.
Did you look at the rest of her statement about the contamination? No, I suspect you didn't. Did you read the DU stuff I sent you - the bit where the UN refers to DU as a WMD of indiscriminate effect? No you didn't did you.
Sheehan has a better grasp of DU than you do, even if her science and rhetoric is overblown. Yes there were WMDs the day of the invasion - the US brought them.
August 25th, 2005 at 3:17 pm#141
Hey Dave In MI,
I believe we are the same side of the arguement here. I was quoting someone else. Just so that we are clear, I hate Bush and company. Don't you also? From your posts it would appear that way.
August 25th, 2005 at 3:26 pmComment by Spudge-Boy — August 25, 2005 @ 3:26 pm
Oooops...Speed reading and back and forth on blogs. Just got finished posting about 5 quickies on the 700 club blog for Pat and his new "Christian Fatwa"
Sorry bout that.
August 25th, 2005 at 3:47 pmCindy Sheehan can pronounce "Nuclear". That must be the problem.
Constipated Conservative would get it if she said "Nukyular".
August 25th, 2005 at 3:49 pmHilarious BWDT. Who’s your ghost writer, your 9 year old son?
Comment by Concerned Conservative — August 25, 2005 @ 3:00 pm
My 19 year old son. He died in Iraq.
August 25th, 2005 at 3:51 pmMy 19 year old son. He died in Iraq.
Comment by Bush War Death Troll — August 25, 2005 @ 3:51 pm
Deepest Sympathies. How the heck do you get up in the morning and do a day?
August 25th, 2005 at 3:54 pmNED,
August 25th, 2005 at 4:01 pmwhat an asshole you are. If you keep repeating the same b.s. you think someone is going to say "hey he has a point" Join the service wing-nut - think it is such a good idea. Most rational, non Bush boot lickers know what she meant by nuclear in this context. No decoder needed CC - just brains. Nobody supports terrorist you morons, we just do not want our blood spilled so that a mirror image of Iran is created. As for Nukes? they will fall on Iran - Bushco is itching to launch those bunker busters on major Cities. Oh yeah that out go over well.
“We are waging a nuclear war in Iraq right now.â€
If she was talking about depleted uranium, why didn’t she say so?
If one of you has a spare Cindy Sheehan decoder kit, please give it to me. Until then I will continue to take her at her word.
Comment by Concerned Conservative
So at least you will admit there is a serious problem with depleted uranium CC. The Iraqis have to suffer the consequences and the effects of using depleted uranium. It's a pity the British and American governments don't see that there is a problem that needs addressing, urgently.
Using depleted uranium on the battlefield may be great strategically, (for piercing thick armour, on enemy tanks). But then the Americans should clear up after themselves, so the innocent children and adult Iraqis, don’t have to deal with the effects. The same goes for the use of cluster bombs, children are still having limbs blown off, when they innocently stand on what have for all intense and purposes become land mines. Sitting there just under the surface of the sand, waiting for their next victim to come along.
Probably another story that America has not been made aware of. Another bad news story, just sweep it under the carpet, and move on. What about those elections hey?
God bless America, sing it loud, and sing it proud.
Family and friends enjoying a wedding, on the Iraq, Syria border. The American military mistakenly believe they’re insurgents/terrorists. They blitz the building where the wedding celebrations are taking place. Innocent Iraqis are killed/murdered, along with a number of children. Oops, we got the wrong people. This was after intense pressure from the media, to admit to their mistake. We’ll investigate, and get back to you.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1224084,00.html
Iraqi people shopping in a busy market place, a Raytheon missile explodes on the busy market, killing sixty-two Iraqis. “Not our faultâ€, said the American government.
Ageing Iraqi anti-aircraft missiles must have caused it. Even though the Raytheon missile was identified from the remains of its serial number, on a foot-long shrapnel shard from the incriminating missile. And was the cause of the explosion in the busy Baghdad market.
The Pentagon and Raytheon, declined to comment on the serial number and the overwhelming evidence. The US Defence Department said: "Our investigations are continuing.†Again the Americans will investigate, and get back to you, which they never do. Oops we’ll be sure to look into it. What about the oil fields, that are back up and running again?
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=11095
And then you get a Republican whinging, “Why do the Iraqis hate Americans so much, after all we have done for them.â€
I have no idea; can anybody else hazard a guess?
August 25th, 2005 at 4:08 pmBWDT, open mouth insert foot.
My deepest sympathies on the loss of your son. I can't imagine the pain.
Now, having made a complete ass of myself, I will go away.
August 25th, 2005 at 4:23 pm"BWDT, open mouth insert foot.
My deepest sympathies on the loss of your son. I can’t imagine the pain.
Now, having made a complete ass of myself, I will go away."
I commend you for admitting you were in the wrong there. You are a much better person than NED.
August 25th, 2005 at 4:30 pmCC
August 25th, 2005 at 5:02 pmGo away and visit Cindy Sheehan and give her your support. Give us all your support so we can stop this madness. Quit splitting hairs about nuclear war because that Iraqi baby died from nuclear fusion from a reactive shell casing rather than from a mushroom cloud. Or would it be ok with you if the baby died from the napalm used in Fallauja.
A bit more personal on the DU story, the WMD that keeps on giving: http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/2298/
August 25th, 2005 at 6:16 pm#44
AT - get over yourself. I hate opportunists who exlpoit death for political gain.
So, you hate President Bush and his office, then?
August 25th, 2005 at 6:40 pmFORT QUALL'S VIBRANT GHOST COMMUNITY
http://buzz.nationalreview.com/073868.asp
THIS IS HILARIOUS!!!!
August 25th, 2005 at 7:27 pmCheck out the three photos of the pro-war "Fort Qualls" at the National Review site above. Notice anything missing? Such as...oh, I dunno...how about people? Quite the rally ya got goin' on there, Bushies! Who'd you limit the invitation list to, ghosts? "Everyone is welcome to attend our Fort Qualls rally, so long as you're a ghost, invisible, or were never born." These rednecks couldn't successfully pull off a birthday party.
Looks like these bushites are going bonkers. You go Cindy!
August 26th, 2005 at 10:50 am... what i'm wondering is - apparently as bush slips further into his ' rages ' and his ratings sink into the toilet , how many in his cabal are going to stay to the invariably bitter end ? i mean , not that long ago , a certain other ' leader ' gathered his seconds-in-command in a underground bunker , and that didn't turn out so well , did it ? ...
August 26th, 2005 at 4:14 pm"I hate opportunists who exlpoit death for political gain."
I 9/11 know 9/11 this 9/11 was 9/11 way 9/11 up 9/11 thread 9/11 but 9/11 I 9/11 couldn't 9/11 resist. Sorry.
August 26th, 2005 at 5:19 pmSo where will Bush find the mother who is willing to go on camera and say, "I'm glad my child was killed to no clear purpose?" How many of these GOP murder junky vultures are willing to send their children into a meat grinder for an unlimited time with no clear goals in place, no plan for withdrawal, no independent measures of success, no accountability for anyone in the civilian chain of command, and an endless parade of rah rah on tv and hidden coffins coming into Dover in the dark of night? Barb and Jenna are not even in the Green Zone. Dick's kids could be pitching in. Don't some of these other GOP stalwarts have some kids to throw in the pot? No? I thought not.
August 26th, 2005 at 11:40 pmThe wheels in dumbya's brain go round and round.....
Meanwhile back at the "ranch" and everywhere in the world, we realize we've been lied into war. And REAL AMERICANS ARE GIVING THEIR LIVES FOR NOTHING BUT BUILDING SOMEONE ELSE'S FORTUNES.
Ranch HELL, it was a pig farm before the monkey bought it, and as far as I'm concerned it is STILL A PIG FARM.
August 27th, 2005 at 1:25 amBig YAWN over a tired, ignorant argument. "BUSH LIED...." No, the was in Iraq has been called the "War on Terror" - - NOT the "War Against Those Who Attacked Us on 9/11" - that has been taking place in Afghanistan. Saddam, Iran, and Syria have been state sponsors of Terrorism for 30 years - they should be next on the roster.
August 29th, 2005 at 7:26 pmJust to be clear, I do have sympathy for Cindy. My ‘nutjob’ comment is based on some of the things she has said: “we are in a nuclear war in Iraqâ€, “Bush is a terrorist†— these are delusional rants. OK, maybe she’s not a nutjob, but she’s at least delusional.
Comment by Concerned Conservative — August 25, 2005
YOU NEED TO SEE PAT BUCHANNAN'S MAG, AND READ ABOUT CHEENEY WANTING TO MAP OUT A PLAN TO DROP A NUKE ON IRAN....
STEP AWAY FROM THE KOOL-AID....the good Lord gave you two ears but only one mouth...FIGURE OUT WHY.
August 30th, 2005 at 1:57 amand further, you can only beat the farts out of a dead horse for so long.....I JUST CAN'T FIX STUPID, so you are on your own.
August 30th, 2005 at 2:00 am*
Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco lashed out at FEMA on Tuesday (Sept 13), complaining the agency is moving too slowly in recovering the bodies of those killed by Hurricane Katrina.
The dead “deserve more respect than they have received,†she said at state police headquarters in Baton Rouge.
Governor Blanco: Body Recovery Taking Too Long
She said that the Federal Emergency Management Agency still has not signed a contract with the company hired to handle the removal of the bodies, Houston-based Kenyon International Emergency Services.
Calls to a FEMA spokesman in New Orleans and the Homeland Security Department in Washington were not immediately returned.
This is coming from a woman, who had acted when she was supposed to, could have avoided the deaths, at least most of them. SHE IS TOTALLY WITHOUT SHAME. She should be impeached or at the least, held accountable for the deaths in her state. If the good people of New Orleans elects this person again, they deserve what will happen to them.
September 20th, 2005 at 3:38 pmI read that a good percentage of the dead bodies seemed to have alredy been embalmed. Maybe they came form the graveyards that were destroyed.
September 29th, 2005 at 2:30 pmAmerica feels that Black people and poor people are worthless to this society except to use for their labor and to blame crime on. In an article written by sociologist Herbert J. Gans entitled “The Uses of Poverty: The Poor Pay All,†he discusses how the continued existence of poverty in a society that has so much material wealth is beneficial to the status quo. He concluded that poverty had 13 functions in society that was beneficial to non-poor members. They include: making sure that the menial work tasks of society will be taken care of, the creation of jobs that provide aid for the poor, and the existence of the poor keeps the aristocracy busy with charitable works, thus demonstrating charity to the less fortunate and superiority over the elites who chose to spend their free time making more money. He also give several alternatives to poverty such as redistributation of the wealth in society, putting everyone on a more even playing field, but ultimately concluded that poverty will continue to exist because disturbing the unequal balance between the poor and the wealthy in society would prove to be dysfunctional for the affluent and that will not happen. In a hierarchical society such as in America, there will always be someone on the bottom.
September 30th, 2005 at 6:32 pmReading these comments makes me nostalgic for the days decades ago when politicians and everyday Americans could debate any subject without slinging political mud at each other. With the recent passing of President Ford, how ironic that this vitriolic woman from California continuously garners press and media time on our airwaves. To those of you throwing mud in the eyes of your fellow Americans calling them "bushites" or "bushies", kudos. Thank you for stooping to the level of kindergarten playground namecalling. The subject of servicemen losing their lives in a war that may or may not be justified is something far more serious than a debate over Britney Spears or Paris Hilton. Not every person who disagrees with your opinion is a Republican, right-wing fanatic, or supporter of President Bush. Bring the servicemen home, that should be a priority. But labeling a state blue or red, calling a fellow American a derorgatory name, or just simply spewing filth because todays present social climate says it's alright to not display manners and common decency is just plain wrong. Cindy Sheehan is more than entitled to mourn her deceased son in her own manner. But prolonging this media battle she has waged for two years goes far beyond the state of mourning. President Bush is a lame-duck President, whether you like him or not he is out of office two years from now. If that isn't soon enough for some Americans, live with it. Some of us had to endure Bill Clinton for eight years, and now the rest of America has to endure G.W. Bush for his full eight years of office. I personally don't care who sits in the oval office, as long as the troops come home as quickly as possible. Shouldn't the more important question be how are we caring for our troops now and how will we be treating them when they do come home in the future? Why doesn't anyone debate that?
a concerned veteran...
January 7th, 2007 at 1:01 am