President Bush and his followers have now launched a full-scale defense of his policy in Iraq and a full-on assault on his detractors. And yet their weapon of choice is spin, not strategy. Listening to the president speak about Iraq this week, one had the feeling that he must be living in a parallel universe. Is he unwilling to level with the American people about the cold reality that is Iraq today? Or is he unaware of the minefield he has walked the country into?
The truth hurts. More than 60 U.S. troops have died in Iraq since President Bush went on vacation. Iraq’s interim government has twice missed the deadline for presenting a constitution. The current draft of the constitution not only threatens to create an illiberal Shia theocracy that doesn’t respect the rights of women and religious minorities, but also risks intensifying the current undeclared sectarian civil war. And the president’s approval rating has dropped to an all-time low of 36 percent – lower than Richard Nixon’s approval rating at the height of Watergate. Cindy Sheehan is not the only American who thinks that things aren’t going so well in Iraq.
The White House’s solution to its problems? Sending the president to the friendly environs of Utah and Idaho and putting its spinmeister Dan Bartlett on television to simply insist that “we have the right strategy to prevail.â€
As a former White House chief of staff, I can say that the most important duty of a senior advisor is not to say “yes, sir,†but to honestly present the facts and the options available to the country. If the president’s advisors can’t confront the truth or don’t have the courage to tell the president the truth, they shouldn’t have taken the job in the first place.
Instead of spending time plotting motorcade routes to avoid Cindy Sheehan protests, the president’s advisors should be spending their time laying out the situation on the ground and the impact the war is having on terrorist networks, regional stability, sectarian conflict within Iraq, our overstretched ground forces, and U.S. security.
The Center for American Progress has drafted a memo that outlines the facts and challenges in Iraq. This is the memo that the White House Iraq Group should – but probably won’t – send the president.
Read it here.
This is a fairly compelling criticism but we can’t just be negative. What should we do?!? We need ideas!
August 25th, 2005 at 2:33 pmMr. Podesta,
You’re right. Also, this president is WAY more loyal to his supporters than they are to him. That’s why he didn’t accept offers of resignation from Donald “botch-the-war” Rummy or Stephen “16 words” Hadley…
August 25th, 2005 at 2:37 pmThis is a fairly compelling criticism but we can’t just be negative. What should we do?!? We need ideas!
1) Bring the troops home. Now.
2) Pay reparations.
3) Leave Iraq alone to choose its own government in any way its citizens see fit.
August 25th, 2005 at 2:40 pmC.A.P. is yet to present a coherent debate on Iraq, I have to say.
Break the “taboo” and talk about withdrawal!
August 25th, 2005 at 2:42 pmFiengold is the closest so far.
August 25th, 2005 at 2:42 pmWhat? No trolls yet?
August 25th, 2005 at 2:44 pmDo you really think enough have died yet for the “noble” cause? I don’t. To withdraw now would elimiante any chance of Jenna and Barbie going there and becoming “honorable” (snark)
August 25th, 2005 at 2:45 pmdont worry afterthought, they are just boning up on talking points and searching for opinions to adopt as their own.they gotta be told what to think you know.
August 25th, 2005 at 2:49 pmHe did read the memo. Then his handlers gagged and drugged him. Remember?
chimpeachment.
August 25th, 2005 at 2:53 pmThis memo is woefully inadequate. Great critique but no solutions offered. Does C.A.P. support bringing our troops home or not??? Tell us where you stand and what you think should be done in Iraq.
In the words of the great Christopher Walken, “Needs more cowbell.”
August 25th, 2005 at 2:59 pmMy guess is that no matter what the advisors tell this prez he will not listen. He is not a person who will admit failure. He’s led a life of non accountablity and despite having never worked a day in his life is prez of the USA… I’m certain he feels entitled to “get on with his life” and simply believes those in opposition are fools. The behavior of this man is strange by any means of assessment. He is not normal, despite his adopted Texas twang. In the end, his primary justification for his actions is that “I’m the President and you’re not.”
August 25th, 2005 at 3:13 pmHere’s a withdrawal plan: Bush shuld withdraw from the presidency. He can take Cheney with him.
August 25th, 2005 at 3:14 pmNice try, Mrya. We are not capable of doing anything in Iraq. We never were. Thanks to Bushco. That’s what Shinseki was saying. Pull out, because there is no solution ot victory. “Stay the course” is neither a plan, strategy nor solution. It’s just rhetorical bullshit and this ain’t an R&B riff.
http://www.prospect.org/weblog/archives/2005/08/index.html#007507
August 25th, 2005 at 3:14 pmBWDT – That’s my point, CAP needs to take a stand.
August 25th, 2005 at 3:17 pmYou need to stop reciting GOP rhetoric and talking points and stop playing GOP jailhouse games.
August 25th, 2005 at 3:19 pmWell folks, let’s not sit around bitching about not enough ideas, give it to the man-
Idea no. 1
A complete clear out of those advising Bush. No Chickenhawk Left Behind. Replace with MIDDLE EAST experts and bright military people like Wesley Clark, not a collection of big oil junkies.
And another – Bush speech in the UN (after firing Bolton):
“World, we’re in sh*t in Iraq. Sorry we cut you lose 2 years ago and followed a pipe-dream unilateralist policy. But a busted Iraq is in no-one’s interest, so please, let’s do business. I’m calling Colin Powell out of retirement and we’re going to sit down, listen and figure out how we fix that part of the world. And don’t worry, Cheney and his Neocon dupes are history.”
Number 3 – Memo to Bush re Bin Laden
Spare no expense in finding him. What’s the ransome? $25m??? What a f*cking joke. Make that $250m with loyalty bonuses to everyone who lends a hand, and see how that impacts Al-Qaeda loyalties.
Four – Saudi Arabia
Stop sucking up to those goons. Tell them flat out that it is democracy or bust and no more bitching about Israel until there’s a plan and a commitment to get their own house in order.
And a fifth – A new Energy Bill
Strike down that pork-filled, piece of sh*t legislation passed earlier this year and replace it with something that incentivizes people to use LESS gas. Big incentives to reg’lur folks who choose miles to the gallon over big-dick SUVs, and punishments to oil firms that refuse to play ball with the national security agenda.
Come on people, unlike the Bushies, the CAP will listen to you so there’s no excuse not to speak out on this thread.
August 25th, 2005 at 3:23 pmAsking the CAP to make a stand means that I’m citing GOP rhetoric? You are absolutely paranoid!
August 25th, 2005 at 3:24 pmThe problem, as it always has been, is here. It’s out government and it’s policies. Getting the troops out of Iraq solves nothing here or in Iraq. We broke it and we can’t buy it, own it or fix it. Withdrawal saves some American lives and perhaps some Iraqi lives. Iraq must go thru it’s own birth pains and it may not be born again as a democracy. Bushco needs to go to prison for that. Than the solution is to fix the broken government here. Iraq is a distraction from that pressing matter.
August 25th, 2005 at 3:25 pmCome on people, unlike the Bushies, the CAP will listen to you so there’s no excuse not to speak out on this thread.
Um, they haven’t so far. Look at the number of people in this thread calling for CAP to take a stand in favor of ending the occupation. Do you see any indication that they are listening to us? I don’t.
August 25th, 2005 at 3:29 pmNo, Myra. You are absolutely blind to the problem, like most Americans. It’s here. No fix Iraq while America broken. Too many years sucking up the party line. If you think solutions are that simple and easily stated, you should keep voting Democratic or Republican.
August 25th, 2005 at 3:29 pmBWDT – I totally agree with your last post.
August 25th, 2005 at 3:30 pmBWDT – you are so busy screaming you can’t stop and read that I AGREE with you!!!
August 25th, 2005 at 3:31 pmShorter for Myra: There are no solutions. There is sensible and morally sound and even-handed, consistent policy. CAP has already offered that. You need to read more. If you want Buzzwords, Try MTV.
August 25th, 2005 at 3:32 pmthey have not taken a stand on bringing the troops home.
August 25th, 2005 at 3:34 pmNot screaming. That “offer solutions” crap is just that, crap. It’s GOP rhetorical jiu-jitsu. They have no solutions either. Never advance a position that can be attacked, no matter how good it is. This is a serious and sometimes deadly game. Play to win or don’t play at all.
August 25th, 2005 at 3:35 pmIt’s not a game.
August 25th, 2005 at 3:37 pmIt’s all game theory. It’s a war game. It’s political warfare.
President Bush and his followers have now launched a full-scale defense of his policy in Iraq and a full-on assault on his detractors.
And they are on defense on all fronts, and especially on their strongest front, the war. They are collapsing on all sides. It’s a serious game, like warfare is, but it’s best model or paradigm is still that of a game
August 25th, 2005 at 3:39 pmGary, if only it were so easy. Listen, we told the Soviets to f*ck off out of Afghanistan and not to worry because the country would sort itself out (the Soviets warned Richard Perle famously on tv that this was a dumb idea). What happened – the jihadists and proto-Talibans assassinated the moderate Omar Azam and look where that left us. With a failed state and ultimately a terrorist problem.
I don’t know what the solution is re Iraq, I really don’t, and that’s why I think ME experts might be helpful. I do however think that leaving en masse tomorrow would not be my first choice. Anyways, have your say, all I know is that saying we don’t have ideas is just a pathetic response to a memo you don’t agree with.
Besides, Bush won’t read the memo. It’s nine pages long for Chrissakes! For him that’s like reading War and Peace.
August 25th, 2005 at 3:40 pmMiddle East Experts and Republicans and Conservatives have been saying this for years now. Neocons don’t listen. They fire, attack, smear or marginalize and ignore them. Read William Odom, even Pat Buchanan for chrissake.
http://www.niemanwatchdog.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=ask_this.view&askthisid=00129
America is a paper tiger superpower and Iraq was a bridge too far. Bushco and neocons to prison. Good start. Good solution.
August 25th, 2005 at 3:45 pmBWDT – quit picking on Myra. It’s not a political game, might be so for Hillary & Podesta, but not for us. For us, it’s about the future of this country and this world.
August 25th, 2005 at 3:48 pmThat said, kudos to Podesta & gang for proposing great ideas on Education, Healthcare, Global Warming, Science, Fuel Conservation and every other issue except Iraq.
August 25th, 2005 at 3:50 pmGary, if only it were so easy. Listen, we told the Soviets to f*ck off out of Afghanistan and not to worry because the country would sort itself out (the Soviets warned Richard Perle famously on tv that this was a dumb idea). What happened – the jihadists and proto-Talibans assassinated the moderate Omar Azam and look where that left us. With a failed state and ultimately a terrorist problem.
You keep talking about us. It’s not about us. It’s about the Iraqis. They have a right to control their own country. If they become something that causes problems for us, that’s still their prerogative. We can certainly defend ourselves, but we can’t dictate what they can and can’t do with their own country, any more than Canada or China can dictate who we can have as our President.
Anyways, have your say, all I know is that saying we don’t have ideas is just a pathetic response to a memo you don’t agree with.
Well, I wasn’t the one who said that. I do think that CAP has ideas. I just don’t think those ideas are addressing what needs to be addressed.
Besides, Bush won’t read the memo. It’s nine pages long for Chrissakes! For him that’s like reading War and Peace.
Yeah, but with that one he could save time by skipping the Peace part.
August 25th, 2005 at 3:52 pmHere are some plans:
1. We all must put pressure on the Democrats to stop straddling the fence on Iraq and to stand up and represent a sane end to this disastrous war. Russ Feingold went out on a limb, showed some courage and LED by asking for an exit strategy. Now the so-called prominent Democrats (Kerry, Clinton, Biden, Edwards) must take a stand, admit that they were wrong to support this horrific war and that they have now seen their error and are willing to make pragmatic choices that will end the cycle of violence and death. It’s ok to be wrong or fooled or even cautious, but it’s not ok to know what has come to pass and maintain support for this debacle.
2. Left-leaning experts, media members or former insiders, when presented with an opportunity to appear on one of the talking head cable shows, must forcefully reject the spin of their rightwing counterparts. If they lie, call them a liar and explain why. If they evade, pin them down and demand an answer. Have a damn spine people! It’s time to fight like hell since our representatives haven’t done it thus far.
3. Keep pounding home the truths about what makes this war such a disaster. Say it, repeat it, say it again tomorrow and don’t relent. This is how the rightwing propaganda mill has brainwashed so many Americans to believe their lies. The same will work for us and the truth.
4. Cindy Sheehan is a hero and will go down in history as one of the most pivotal peacemakers in American history. We should support her in any way we can. Send $ to the Gold Star Families, go to Crawford if you can. Be in D.C. on Sept. 24th to demonstrate. It’s our country, let’s not allow them to corrupt and destroy it any further.
We have the truth on our side and nothing is more powerful than that. They can try to intimidate us but they are cowards and bullies, they will back down when faced with Americans that are willing to fight passionately for what they believe. That’s us!
August 25th, 2005 at 3:53 pmDumb Fox – “I do however think that leaving en masse tomorrow would not be my first choice”
You’re playing right into the GOP false-choice trick. It’s not between leaving en masse versus Staying until the last insurgent dies 6 to 12 (or more) years from now.
August 25th, 2005 at 3:55 pmBWDT – quit picking on Myra. It’s not a political game, might be so for Hillary & Podesta, but not for us. For us, it’s about the future of this country and this world.
Comment by Ohioan — August 25, 2005 @ 3:48 pm
This is one time when GOP rhetorical jiu-jitsu is appropriate: And you will keep losing elections.
August 25th, 2005 at 4:19 pmJay,
You assume that Democrats straddle the fence out of fear, and that’s true. You just don’t know what the fear is. They get about 10% of the lobbying loot in D.C. The rest, 90% goes to the GOP. They are craven little bastards and they are as bad as the Republicans. Don’t look to Democrats for your salvation. Perhaps less than 1% are worth dogsnot.
August 25th, 2005 at 4:23 pmThis is one time when GOP rhetorical jiu-jitsu is appropriate: And you will keep losing elections.
We will keep losing elections as long as Diebold is allowed to count the votes.
August 25th, 2005 at 4:23 pmLot’s of ethical Democrats, Not!
http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewWeb&articleId=9966
August 25th, 2005 at 4:25 pmThat too, Gary, and how many Dems even want you to look there?
That’s the point. Read that link above. We need all of them out of there. I’m still a registered Dem with a mean independent streak. And a life long south paw.
August 25th, 2005 at 4:27 pmBWDT,
I have no illusions about what motivates the Democrats and have stated many times how craven and greedy that I think they are too. Problem is there are NO Republicans that I’d even shake hands with nevermind vote for at this stage. An alternative party cannot gain traction for a multitude of reasons so our only hope to change course lies with those Democrats. I don’t like it, but it’s a fact…..barring a revolution, which I am completely ready for.
August 25th, 2005 at 5:12 pmAgreed, Jay. 100% My goal is to be more like the “conservatives” and get us back to where we were in say… 1948? When Henry Wallace should have become president. It would have been a different world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_A._Wallace
August 25th, 2005 at 5:16 pmLet me pose this question. Isn’t time to break from our current beltway-centered Democratic Party? I believe it’s time to make a bold move and start another party. The Dems don’t make any bold stands, like Wallace once did, and are so tied to pac money so they can’t afford to offend their donors.
August 25th, 2005 at 6:28 pmJohn,I had a feeling you were a little weasel when you were shilling for President Big Dog – but the 60 body count “While Bush is on VACA” is a little much. I’m sure they know how to get ahold of him – and for a guy on VACA I sure do see him with alot of suits and ties. Reminds me of when the Big Dog was out and about vacationing with the little people – you know out at Martha’s Vineyard and houses of wealthy friends. You advisor types thought McD’s made him down to earth but it was mooching off others that did that. Funny thing – I think his “White trash” morals stink but I supported him on 70% of issues.
August 25th, 2005 at 7:01 pmRuss,
If I thought a third party that represented my interests had a chance, it would have more than my support. I think millions of Americans are clamoring for another option, D.C. is rotten to the core. There are only a handful of Democrats that I see as exempt from legitimate scorn and they include Barbara Boxer, John Conyers, Maxine Waters, and Sheila Jackson Lee. If there are others that have taken recent, loud stands against the GOP agenda, I’m at a loss to recall who they are (the Bolton hearings were an exception as Kerry and Biden were fierce opposition among the Senate Foreign Relations Committee…Obama BTW was quite disappointing in those hearings, too timid).
I thought Howard Dean was an excellent choice to lead the party as I view him, in essence, a third party politician. He was the only viable (albeit short-lived) candidate in the last election that asked serious questions and attempted to hold Bush accountable for his illegal war and his traitorous policies. At the end of the day, if you had to create a pie chart of what caused Dean’s downfall, operatives from his own party would likely own the largest slices.
Point is, a third party would be crushed by the deep pockets, dirty tricksters and media ties from both sides. I’m not saying it can’t happen ever, just not soon enough to save this country from the thieves and murderers that are currently in control.
When the time does come or if you’re ready to steal the thunder of the Libertarians and the Green’s……we need a name. How about the Improvement Party of the Transformation Party?
August 25th, 2005 at 7:15 pmFORT QUALL’S VIBRANT GHOST COMMUNITY
http://buzz.nationalreview.com/073868.asp
THIS IS HILARIOUS!!!
August 25th, 2005 at 7:25 pmCheck out the three photos of the pro-war “Fort Qualls” at the National Review site above. Notice anything missing? Such as…oh, I dunno…how about people? Quite the rally ya got goin’ on there, Bushies! Who’d you limit the invitation list to, ghosts? “Everyone is welcome to attend our Fort Qualls rally, so long as you’re a ghost, invisible, or were never born.” These clowns couldn’t successfully pull off a birthday party.
The last thing DUHbya read was “Billy Goat Gruff” on 9/11/01. He isn’t about to read anything else considering the trouble into which that got him.
August 25th, 2005 at 7:30 pmCLYDE: I think it’s insulting and demeaning for you to suggest the last book our commander-in-chief read was “Billy Goat Gruff,” on 9/11/01. Have some respect for the position, for God’s sake.
In fact, although you got the date right, the book was “My Pet Goat.” It’s a truly wonderful picture book, and Dubya found it completely engrossing.
August 25th, 2005 at 9:34 pmYou guys are arguing about the Dems doing nothing. Funny how I recieve at least three e-mails a day from the Dems. I sign petitions, I write letters and make phone calls. I guess you haven’t signed up for e-mail alerts and are unaware of what the Dems do (even when on vacation).
The Dems make my activism as easy as moveon.org and democracynow.org do.
Why are you all sitting on the fence and not taking action proposed by the Dems?
August 25th, 2005 at 9:59 pmSusan,
None of the prominent Democratic Senators (Finegold excluded) are getting behind ending this war ASAP. They need to put their money where their mouth is and start to fill the leadership vaccuum. Emails are great and petitions keep us actively involved (I’m on several mailing lists as well and I sign every petition that I can get behind) but this is a pivotal moment in how the Iraq fiasco plays out. The tide of public opinion has turned and all people are looking for is some courage from the opposition party.
If you can point me to a Democratic Senator that has taken a stance against this war, that has admitted that they were wrong and they were lied to and made a mistake, I’m all ears.
August 25th, 2005 at 10:24 pmTAC,
I have all the respect possible for the Office of the President the United States. I have absolutely for the fraud and fool that claims that office. I support out troops as much as any good citizen but I do not support the lying SOB that sent them to Iraq. If he has a reading problem that is his problem and my freedom of speech allows me to point it out. Besides “Billy Goat Gruff” sounds better and gives me a greater aura of maturity.
August 25th, 2005 at 10:26 pmSorry, I left out “none” after “absolutely.” I don’t want to give him something he doesn’t deserve.
August 25th, 2005 at 10:28 pmJay, Senator Dick Durbin responded to an e-mail I sent him. He said the best way to get support to impeach Bush (thats my main cause because this nightmare will end) we have to put pressure on each and every member of the house and senate. He supports impeachment and invited me to talk to himself and Barack Obama whenever I am in D.C.
The letters and the petitions help but my cause is impeachment. Bushie will never pull out the troops. The only answer is impeachment.
votetoimpeach.org
August 26th, 2005 at 12:11 amBravo Susan, I to am busy with these same groups and the enviromental one’s as well. It does get discouraging when we are attempting to inform and involve people who refuse to see or hear, most of all refuse to read. Right now our impeach movement is going far to slow to please me and all the proof we have about the numerious bad guys in our house, senate and white house are ignored. I don’t expect every one to think the way I do, only to become involved and informed, sadly, most don’t want the facts and never believe their guy’s are corrupt, even when we prove this bunch is the worst I have seen they do what the right does best, lie, cover up, and spend money to sling mud at the messangers. Back to my work on the enviroment.
August 26th, 2005 at 11:49 am“As a former White House chief of staff, I can say that the most important duty of a senior advisor is not to say “yes, sir,†but to honestly present the facts and the options available to the country. If the president’s advisors can’t confront the truth or don’t have the courage to tell the president the truth, they shouldn’t have taken the job in the first place.”
The problem is that the president has surrounded himself with people who say what he wants to hear. Not only that but they believe what they’re saying, if only because not to would mean no cash.
August 26th, 2005 at 12:58 pmSusan, Sharon,
August 26th, 2005 at 8:36 pmI too am a subscriber to various Democratic organizations – they send me daily notes, and frequent petitions, etc. I sign petitions, I write letters, I call/E-mail my congressmen, I write my own letters to the editor in several newspapers. I think I am kept pretty well informed of the work fo the Democrats, although there is certainly room for improvement, because I am one of the faithful — they must reach out to the yet-to-be-converted. Don’t think I don’t remind them at every opportunity. The Dems DO have ideas and plans, but it’s hard to be heard over the loudmouth Republicans who dominate the media. They, and the media must receive constant pressure from us to get off the Bush bandwagon and report the truth.
I believe that groverprm has touched on the key ingredient that constitutes Bush’s philosophy. It is one that is comprised entirely of the opinions and biases of his advisors and cabinet. We all know that Bush has never had an independent thought of his own. He is merely today’s “Knucklehead Smith” – a wooden dummy that his handlers speak through.
August 26th, 2005 at 9:06 pmSupporting the troops involves more than saying it with your lips. How many of you have actually done one thing tangible to assist a military family with a loved one deployed overseas? Show of hands please.
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