Conservatives took President Bush’s cue yesterday and turned the spotlight on Tammy Pruett, an Iraq mom whose husband and five sons have all served in Iraq. Under the headline, “Move Over, Cindy: Bush Singles Out Other Military Mom,” Matt Drudge said that Bush had taken “direct aim at Cindy Sheehan” when he highlighted Pruett during his speech to Idaho National Guardsmen.
But last night, when Tammy and her husband Leon appeared on CNN, they weren’t exactly reading from President Bush’s script:
CAPT. LEON PRUETT: You know, Paula, I guess Cindy and the other folks that have lost loved ones over there, you know, we grieve with them and we’re sorry for their losses and empathize with them and their families and what they’re going through.
We don’t have anything against anybody that wants to protest or do anything like that. That’s wonderful. Isn’t it right — isn’t it wonderful that we have that right in this country to be able to do that?
ZAHN: Tammy, do you think Cindy is dishonoring the service of those that are currently in Iraq fighting?
T. PRUETT: You know, that’s a really tricky question.
Personally, as a mother, I feel her pain. Obviously, I can’t feel it to the extent that she does. But I totally empathize with her feelings. It wouldn’t be the way that I would choose to honor one of my sons if it happened to our family.
UPDATE: Crooks & Liars (as usual) has the video.
The NeoCons have picked the wrong battle. You can’t win against a mother’s instinct.
May the former Man of Teflon (King George) finally be roasted in public for what he’s lead our nation to do. May a jail cell now be prepared to hold the bastard and all of his henchmen.
August 25th, 2005 at 5:11 pmDamn these Internets – always catching me in my lies and spin!
August 25th, 2005 at 5:19 pmThis is exactly why the smear won’t work.
August 25th, 2005 at 5:44 pmIt was clear this time that the slime machine
mis-fired, but the “screaming heads” still
don’t know it.
Nobody thinks that it is right to pick on
a grieving mother, but the screamers
have never acknowledged a sense of decency.
I think the public is finally seeing that.
Nico forgets to add this:
She’s absolutely right, and you on the weak, weak left won’t even realize that (I find it really funny that you find it so interesting that they celebrate people’s first amendment rights. Not surprising that liberals would find that so strange — just funny).
August 25th, 2005 at 5:44 pmWow. Georgie’s going to need more vacation to nurse his whiplash.
August 25th, 2005 at 5:46 pmCurse these unreliable shills! Guards! Seize them!
August 25th, 2005 at 5:49 pmUh, Corryn, I’m curious. You seem to speak with absolute certainty regarding the thoughts and intentions of others, and you speak of “liberals” as though it is a grouping of weak cowards who refuse to defend their country in these dangerous times.
So, I’m I correct to assume the following?:
1. You are psychic.
August 25th, 2005 at 5:52 pm2. You are currently serving in the armed forces
#4 – I’m quite liberal and I don’t think it’s strange or funny that the Pruett’s exercise their first amendment rights. I don’t even think it’s funny or strange when Georgie, Rummy, Condi, Fred Phelps, Santorum, or Pat Robertson exercise their first amendment rights. Well sometimes they are strange. I think most people on the left will agree that people can say whatever they please whenever they want, and would fight for your right to free speech as well as their own. Free speech is the best and most valuable right we have. That’s why I stand on a corner downtown every Friday night with sign protesting the war — right across from people with signs for the war. I love America.
August 25th, 2005 at 5:56 pmWaiting on you Corryn….
August 25th, 2005 at 5:57 pmShe’s looking up her talking points, Optimist…
August 25th, 2005 at 5:58 pmThe point is not that the Pruetts simply “celebrated people’s first amendment rights”. They supported their dissent and protest, while many on the right (especially in positions of power and influence) have repeatedly asserted that the protests either harm the troops or are tantamount to treason.
Big difference. Funny you didn’t notice it.
August 25th, 2005 at 6:00 pmI’m sure Karl Rove is hunting right now for a military mom who thinks the protestors aid and abet the enemy.
August 25th, 2005 at 6:13 pmThe whole problem with this War was that it was started with many lies. Now, one of those lies has become the truth. Before we invaded there were NO links to Al Qaeda, terrorists and Iraq. Now, that is not the case. Of course, this is the fault of Bush and Rummy. They did not send enough troops to close the borders of Iraq. Therefore, those eager for a fight could pour into Iraq unchecked from Syria and Iran (a country we has sponsored terrorist attacks against the US)
http://www.whereistheoutrage.net
August 25th, 2005 at 6:16 pmMakes you wonder who Bill O’reilley was talking about, military families who think exercising free speech is treason.
I know lots of chickenhawks feel that way, I don’t know anyone who actually defended freedom who feels that way.
August 25th, 2005 at 6:17 pmWell, I guess that Corryn decided to enlist in the marines and go support the troops over in Iraq.
Or, he/she/it is hiding beneath that cowardly rock that he/she/it crawled out from under to slander people and try to hide from their own insecurities by spewing lies and hate at others.
It is sad that, to some, the process of public discussion and analysis is considered a “weakness” when in reality it is the true strength upon which our society has been built.
Whichever of the two paths that you chose, Corryn, I support you wholeheartedly.
August 25th, 2005 at 6:19 pmWhile I agree with the first part of your statement, ecthompson (the lie of links to Al Qaeda becoming true), I have to say that the “problem with this War” is that it is illegal and immoral, so everything that is said to justify it or support it must be a lie.
If our troops were on our shores fighting off an invasion, nobody would question the righteousness of it. Because we send our troops overseas for the purposes of power, wasting and dishonoring the sacrifice our troops make simply by volunteering for service, nothing can justify it.
Sorry – don’t mean to jump down your throat. Just a little testy these days.
August 25th, 2005 at 6:23 pmWhat a surprise, Nico left out some relevant statements from the Pruetts that makes his premise false. Classic irrational paranoid behavior, and the rest of you will perpetuate another lie.
August 25th, 2005 at 6:33 pm#16, Pot, kettle, black.
August 25th, 2005 at 6:37 pmClassic irrational paranoid behavior
Actually, I think it’s more from the baroque period of paranoid behaviors…
August 25th, 2005 at 6:38 pm#18 – I’m LMFAO!!! :-) :-) :-)
August 25th, 2005 at 6:39 pmDr. Colt Formundah and his imaginary patients… err, friends.
August 25th, 2005 at 6:41 pm
Zookeeper – With your “open-minded” liberalness you might even enjoy our small street – last election out of 9 homes on our street, 4 had Kerry/Edwards lawn sign and 5 had Bush/Cheney -(we would appreciate your sign on the corner -even if we disagreed with you). Not so hard on Corynn – she might not be used to the personal attacks that punctuate this site.
August 25th, 2005 at 6:45 pmThe Dr. will see you now, Corryn.
Camp Qualls: Doc. Formundah’s couch
August 25th, 2005 at 6:45 pmAlexa, you mean ‘anti-semite’ or other personal attacks?
August 25th, 2005 at 6:46 pmOh, you are going by Alexa, today? Fine
Camp Qualls: The Dr. will see you now, Alexa
August 25th, 2005 at 6:46 pmI love that picture with the sign, “We support our President” with no one standing there.
August 25th, 2005 at 6:47 pmTerry, I think she means personal attacks like “you weak, weak left”
August 25th, 2005 at 6:49 pmYou need to be a Bush supporter, cynical ex-hippie, then the “multitudes” wil appear. They will reveal themselves to you, if you believe! Clap harder! Or Tinkerbell will die!
August 25th, 2005 at 6:49 pmWhat Nico has a hard time recognizing is an appreciation for the Pruetts ability to disagree with Cindy Sheehan AND remain gracious. I think your headline is clueless after reading the entire interview. Would remedial-reading comprehension be in the cards for Nico, the progressive ideologue?
August 25th, 2005 at 6:50 pmWhat Nico has a hard time recognizing is an appreciation for the Pruetts ability to disagree with Cindy Sheehan AND remain gracious. I think your headline is clueless after reading the entire interview. Would remedial-reading comprehension be in the cards for Nico, the progressive ideologue?
Comment by Alexa
Clap harder, Alexa! Tinkerbell is dying!
August 25th, 2005 at 6:51 pmI agree with Alexa’s first sentence, this is not a very illuminating post, but then there’s a personal attack to follow – look on the bright side Nico, you could have been an ‘anti-semite’.
August 25th, 2005 at 6:52 pmFlap your wings harder, Tinkerbell! Alexa is shrinking back into irrelevancy!
August 25th, 2005 at 6:53 pmAND remain gracious
We should all learn to remain as gracious as Alexa while other people’s loved ones are dying for lies.
August 25th, 2005 at 6:55 pmWhat Nico has a hard time recognizing is an appreciation for the Pruetts ability to disagree with Cindy Sheehan AND remain gracious.
Maybe it’s hard to recognize behind all the ungracious attacks on Cindy from your allies on the right wing attack blogs, and pundits calling her a traitor.
The ability to disagree and remain gracious is not something we usually see from Bush supporters. Usually it’s flip-flop traitor purple band-aid with us or against us America hating losers ha ha ha we won so sit down and shut up.
Disagree and be gracious? I had to look again, I couldn’t believe it.
August 25th, 2005 at 6:57 pmThe civil war in Iraq has begun. Time to shift to “We have acheived our plan to bring ‘revolution’ to Iraq” and declare victory and withdraw.
August 25th, 2005 at 6:58 pm#21 – Why do you put open minded in quotation marks, Alexa? Just wondering… Have a good fight ya’ll, gotta go burn a flag.
August 25th, 2005 at 7:00 pmHas Pat Robertson been assassinated yet? I hope so.
August 25th, 2005 at 7:00 pmMine are for a direct quote.
August 25th, 2005 at 7:03 pm“Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.”
— Pat Robertson
Someone should shoot this guy… Or maybe he needs to visit Dr. Formundah…
Camp Qualls: The Dr. will see you , now
August 25th, 2005 at 7:04 pmMany are trying to incite a mud-wrestling match between two grieving mothers. If you read Sheehan’s statement from yesterday and you read Pruett’s statement from last evening, you would see that their maternal feelings are quite similir (surprise!) but each one respects the other’s needs to find comfort in something.
August 25th, 2005 at 7:05 pmPat Robertson=OBL
August 25th, 2005 at 7:07 pmBush’s “War Mom” Backs “Peace Mom”
In Idaho Wednesday, George W. Bush attempted to counterspin anti-war protester mom Cindy Sheehan with an Iraq-war-supporting mom of his own, Tammy Pruett:
August 25th, 2005 at 7:07 pmGeorge Bush isn’t fit to lick the bottom of Hugo Chavez’ paratrooper boots.
August 25th, 2005 at 7:09 pmIs the Patriot Act worth anything? Can it help jail Mullah Robertson and to shut down the CBN?
August 25th, 2005 at 7:10 pmYou know, the Pruetts classy defense of Cindy Sheehan’s rights must frost Bush’s ass. It must have pissed him off after all the effort his administration went to, going to Idaho in the middle of his vacation, selecting 4,000+ military and their families who would not dare disagree in public with him, and use a photo op to showcase Mrs. Pruett as an example of what a soldier’s mother is supposed to be.
Frankly, as a retired soldier myself, I never thought Capt. Pruett and his wife would be so forthcoming, knowing that speaking out or going against the chain of command could damage ones career.
August 25th, 2005 at 7:11 pmThe real story is how Paula “beeyatch” Zahn tried to goad Mrs. Pruett on… she usually likes to have Gordon Liddy on, surprised not to see him around…
August 25th, 2005 at 7:11 pmHow many Bush Administration officials does it take to screw in a light bulb?
by John in DC – 8/25/2005 05:02:00 PM
None.
Nothing is wrong with the light bulb; its conditions are improving every day.
Any reports of its lack of incandescence are a delusional spin from the liberal media.
That light bulb has served honorably, and anything you say undermines the lighting effect.
Why do you hate freedom?
(Just something cute someone emailed me)
I just got emailed an updated, and better, version from Stephen:
How many Bush administration officials does it take to change a light
bulb?
1. One to deny that a light bulb needs to be changed;
2. One to attack the patriotism of anyone who says the light bulb needs
to be changed;
3. One to blame Clinton for burning out the light bulb;
4. One to arrange the invasion of a country rumored to have a secret
stockpile of light bulbs;
5. One to give a billion dollar no-bid contract to Halliburton for the
new light bulb;
6. One to arrange a photograph of Bush, dressed as a janitor,
standing on a step ladder under the banner: Light Bulb Change Accomplished;
7. One administration insider to resign and write a book documenting
in detail how Bush was literally in the dark;
8. One to viciously smear #7;
9. One surrogate to campaign on TV and at rallies on how George Bush
has had a strong light-bulb-changing policy all along;
10. And finally one to confuse Americans about the difference between
screwing a light bulb and screwing the country.
http://americablog.blogspot.com/2005/08/how-many-bush-administration-officials.html
August 25th, 2005 at 7:16 pmIf Bush needs people to attack a grieving mother, he’s better off sticking with people who never served.
August 25th, 2005 at 7:16 pmI’m confused about something. Ms. Sheehan raises her issues and she is slandered, her character is attacked, she is called treasonous, and is treated as some poor simple grieving mother who is trying to cope with her loss.
Now the Pruetts are put up in rebuttal and they are treated like they speak the words of God. Granted that there is a number of them that have served in Iraq but how is it that such makes Ms. Pruett more credible than Ms. Sheehan?
Also, I have to wonder what the Pruetts viewpoint would be affected by a loss of one of their children. I cannot help but think that it would take it’s toll on the rose colored views.
Regardless, anyone who criticizes and/or dismisses Ms. Sheehan has no standing with me. Period.
August 25th, 2005 at 7:18 pmI’d like to know a few things:
We liberated Kuwait, right? Why isn’t their military standing on the boarder of Iraq supporting our troops? Oh, that’s right. We fought GW1 so that a dictatorship could be re-installed. Fortunately, not many of our boys and girls died in that military operation.
Why has Saudi Arabia _opened_ its borders with Iraq during GW2? Is it that the Saudi Royals want all the “terrorist wacko” Wahabi-ists out and away to fight and die in Iraq? Thus relieving themselves of a problem of agitation against the Royals in Saudi? Problem is, our boys and girls are dying at an alarming rate. This time around people like Cindy Sheehan are there to ask the rather tough questions of the ruling monarch. But the NeoCons won’t provide comfort for her in her plight. They attack, thus making themselves look like they are attacking military moms. Which they are.
What a strange world we live in.
August 25th, 2005 at 7:19 pmHank – speaking out even in relatively less public ways can hurt a military career, but talking like this after being used by Bush for the photo-op and such? Sheesh. If their comments are used effectively as a counter to the administration’s arguments, he just might want to retire before he’s posted as a lone watch somewhere in Sadr City!
August 25th, 2005 at 7:21 pmDoesn’t everybody know that the real reason Bush and his cohorts went to war with Iraq? It was all because of all the ‘myths’ George believes about Saddam Hussein and Iraq, by his handlers and Karl Rove ‘the puppet master’.
Every night when Karl, Paul and Donald tucked up George in bed. They would read to him from a fairy tail book entitled ‘The Dodgy Dossier’. George lapped up these stories, as he lapsed into unconsciousness. George was so enchanted by these stories of WMD’s, Saddam Hussein, Al-Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden. He believes that myths really can come true.
August 25th, 2005 at 7:22 pmIsn’t it peculiar? Bush can talk about war protesters being unpatriotic, but he can’t say a word about Pat Robertson who advocates killing a world leader because we don’t like him? We know his priorities. Was Robertson really speaking for Bush?
August 25th, 2005 at 7:22 pmFORT QUALL’S VIBRANT GHOST COMMUNITY
http://buzz.nationalreview.com/073868.asp
THIS IS HILARIOUS!!!
August 25th, 2005 at 7:23 pmCheck out the three photos of the pro-war “Fort Qualls” at the National Review site above. Notice anything missing? Such as…oh, I dunno…how about people? Quite the rally ya got goin’ on there, Bushies! Who’d you limit the invitation list to, ghosts? “Everyone is welcome to attend our Fort Qualls rally, so long as you’re a ghost, invisible, or were never born.” These rednecks couldn’t successfully pull off a birthday party.
The US went to war to re-install a dictatorship in Kuwait. But then it invades a secular country and turns it into an Islamist theocracy. Cindy Sheehan calls into question their motives for invasion and she gets trashed, even as she greves for the loss of her son. In the next breath, a leader from a radical christian fundamentalist group calls for the death of a democratically elected leader who’s nation is giving oil to Jamaica and aid to other nations in the region.
And the NeoCons DEFEND all this? Who’s the traitor? I get so confused.
August 25th, 2005 at 7:31 pmA reporter that just won’t quit asking Junior about Cindy is what I’d like to see. He’d go ballistic for sure. Get him and Cheney together….Junior explodes….Dick goes down with ‘the big one’.
August 25th, 2005 at 7:35 pmOutFar, get a load of TAC pictures in #53! Looks like Bush’s supporters at Fort Qualls broke out their crayons and crepe paper and got their 4th grade teacher give them a hand with printing.
August 25th, 2005 at 7:36 pmFort Qualls Patriotic Bivouac & Farm Market:
WE SUPPORT PRESIDENT BUSH
August 25th, 2005 at 7:57 pmSWEET SUMMER COB CORN & CRAWFISH
TRACTOR/LAWNMOWER PARTS
LIVE BAIT
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS
#30 – I’m sorry, Turtle, I just keep remembering all of the anti-Israel/pro-Palestinian protestors that somewhat managed to shore up the large turn-out numbers for the “anti-War” protests (shown on C-SPAN)which were put on by the ANSWER gang and my favourite turn-coat, Ramsey Clarke. Today it was announced that those industrious Palestinians were looking forward to naming new villages after Hamas and Hezbollah heroes. Aren’t they the groups who vow to “force Israel into the sea”? Shalom!
August 25th, 2005 at 8:11 pm#30 – I’m sorry, Turtle, I just keep remembering all of the anti-Israel/pro-Palestinian protestors that somewhat managed to shore up the large turn-out numbers for the “anti-War†protests (shown on C-SPAN)which were put on by the ANSWER gang and my favourite turn-coat, Ramsey Clarke. Today it was announced that those industrious Palestinians were looking forward to naming new villages after Hamas and Hezbollah heroes. Aren’t they the groups who vow to “force Israel into the seaâ€? Shalom!
If you are the best the right has to offer, you are about as effective as 150K troops when 500K was reqired. That’s roughly 30% of what’s needed to make a point.
August 25th, 2005 at 8:32 pmW praises women, with the back of his hand… http://cardcarryingmember.blogspot.com/2005/08/w-says-he-loves-ladies-we-know-better.html
August 25th, 2005 at 8:43 pmThe Republicans Lost Iraq
August 25th, 2005 at 8:59 pmHey #54 Jesus, the neocons just can’t get enough money, power and control. Anyone that simply does the right thing, whether it be helping one person or one person helping thousands, they hate it if they can’t acquire some level of control from it. Confusion among our masses is exactly what they want.
August 25th, 2005 at 9:06 pmUpstaging a neocon is tantamount to calling him a pussy. Which is exactly what they all are… chickenhawk pussies!
Yeah, That’s too bad. ;^(
August 25th, 2005 at 9:09 pmThey did not plan anything for
after Saddam fell.
Remarkably stupid, actually.
These were the “grow-ups”, remember?
What morons they have proven to be.
Really though, it is too bad about
Iraq. Lots of Iraqis were counting on us.
We let them down and that is sad.
(Re: #53)
“Fort Qualls Patriotic Bivouac & Farm Market:
WE SUPPORT PRESIDENT BUSH
SWEET SUMMER COB CORN & CRAWFISH
TRACTOR/LAWNMOWER PARTS
LIVE BAIT
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS”
That’s just too funny, Rotwang! Me likey. But, in my opinion, down at the bottom it should have read “LIVE BAIT & COLD BEER.” Never forget the beer! It’s Bubba’s life-fuel.
August 25th, 2005 at 9:12 pmOh, and canoe rental too.
August 25th, 2005 at 9:15 pmI saw Mrs. Pruet on t.v. last night and she seemed scripted and was more interested in giving out her web address. She seemed drunk and radical. I’m sure she’s being paid.
If she doesn’t care about her family and thinks their deaths will be worth it than thats her right. I just wish she would use their lives for a better cause. Like organ donation.
August 25th, 2005 at 9:24 pmMight “chickenwings” and/or “pork rinds” fit in there somewhere?
August 25th, 2005 at 9:24 pmWhat exactly is a “chickenhawk”? According to The New Hampshire Gazette, “a “chickenhawk” has three qualities: bellicosity (a warlike manner or temperament), public prominence, and a curious lack of wartime service when others their age had no trouble finding the fight. The fact that they’re almost all Republicans is … well, curious, don’t you think?”
August 25th, 2005 at 9:27 pm“C”: I certainly agree with you, but I must respectfully disagree with the New Hampshire Gazette’s claim that CHICKENHAWKS have “THREE” qualities. I suspect it’s closer to THREE DOZEN qualities:
Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, John Ashcroft, Dennis Hastert, Tom Delay, Roy Blunt, Dick Armey, Bill Frist, Mitch McConnell, Rick Santorum, Trent Lott, Jeb Bush, Newt Gingrich, Bill Bennett, Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas, Phil Gramm, Paul Wolfowitz, Spencer Abraham, Judd Gregg, Henry Hyde, Jack Kemp, Don Nickles, J. C. Watts, Bill Simon, Saxby Chambliss, Marc Racicot, Ken Mehlman, P. J. O’Rourke, Bill Kristol, Bill O’Reilly, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Joe Scarborough, David Horowitz, Mike Savage, George Will, Ralph Reed, Jerry Falwell, Ken Starr, Gary Bauer, Alan Keyes, Roger Ailes, Ted Nugent.
August 25th, 2005 at 9:42 pmDont forget the chickenhawks that hang around here TAC. They add another half dozen to the count.
August 25th, 2005 at 9:50 pmhave you guys seen the chickenhawk deck of cards? its hilarious cause its true.
August 25th, 2005 at 9:52 pmNewsflash!!! Go to http://www.truthout.org and read what General Karpinski is saying about Abu Graib and the military. WOW!!!!
August 25th, 2005 at 9:56 pmYes isn’t it wonderful that we do have the right to protest against the war? We have the right to do this because we supposedly live in a free country but our President, the leader of our country, does not believe in this freedom. He undermines it and his Conservative buddies will do all they can to smear and ridicule the people who exercise this freedom. I’m glad Tammy Pruett and her husband stood up, as a model military mother according to the Conservatives, and and spoke of this great freedom that we have in this country. Thank you to the Pruetts.
August 25th, 2005 at 11:22 pmJust another chapter in the “The Cindy Sheehan Rorschach Test.”
August 25th, 2005 at 11:23 pmHey gang,
I just saw a clip from this morning’s Today Show where Chris Matthews said that Cindy Sheehan not only opposes the war in Iraq but also opposes the war in Afghanistan. Is that true???
August 25th, 2005 at 11:34 pm#58
I just keep remembering all of the anti-Israel/pro-Palestinian protestors that somewhat managed to shore up the large turn-out numbers for the “anti-War†protests (shown on C-SPAN)which were put on by the ANSWER gang and my favourite turn-coat, Ramsey Clarke. Today it was announced that those industrious Palestinians were looking forward to naming new villages after Hamas and Hezbollah heroes. Aren’t they the groups who vow to “force Israel into the sea� Shalom!
When the trolls like Alexa try the anti-semitic garbage on you…
On criticism of Israel
By Stephen Gowans
A standard accusation made by Israel’s boosters is that criticism of Tel Aviv’s policies is motivated by anti-Semitism. And while it is said fervently that the accusation is not intended to deter criticism, it plainly is. Indeed, so sweeping is the statement, and so patently political in intent, it’s surprising that those who make it keep getting away with it.
It should be obvious that a statement of the type “all criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic” is highly unlikely to be true, for this would imply that anyone who criticizes Israeli policy hates Jews. It’s difficult to imagine how this could be so, for it prohibits the very real possibility that at least some criticism of Israel (if not more than that) may be motivated by other concerns.
read the rest
August 26th, 2005 at 1:07 amI just saw a clip from this morning’s Today Show where Chris Matthews said that Cindy Sheehan not only opposes the war in Iraq but also opposes the war in Afghanistan. Is that true???
Comment by Josh — August 25, 2005 @ 11:34 pm
Chris Matthews (Tweety, because he has a giant head and tiny body like Tweety-Bird) is an idiot, like the entire press corps. They are all rotten. Ignore him until he actually faces off with Zell Miller at ten paces.
Read this:
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2005_08_21_digbysblog_archive.html#112490885652988737
August 26th, 2005 at 1:11 amCindy Sheehan is attempting to honour her son. There are two issues: honoring her son; seeking some kind of closure on her grief. They are both legitamate issues. She is hoping to gain some kind of closure on her grief by knowing that her son died in a “noble cause” otherwise his life was sacrificed in vain. Her question of Bush is fundamental: if you can’t justify the death of my son, how to you justify the war. Going even further, if Bush is committing war crimes as documented in my latest book “Lying for Empire: How to Commit Was Crimes with a Straight Face”, then he is, in fact, asking all those soldiers in Iraq to commit war crimes. So far Bush has violated the U.N. Charter, Geneva Conventions, Convention on Torture, and the Genocide Convent not to mention the War Crimes Act in the U.S. So much for the “noble cause”
August 26th, 2005 at 6:19 amYawn….
I heard Cindy’s cameraman attacked someone. So much for peace.
August 26th, 2005 at 9:32 amYou Can’t Make This Stuff Up
On the subject of war protestors, Think Progress says that the mom Bush used as a sign of war support in his speech the other day, Tammy Pruett, isn’t exactly upset with Cindy Sheehan.
* Rising Hegemon proves that we’ve been making progress in Ira…
August 26th, 2005 at 9:44 amThe Holloway story is out of control. I couldn’t even watch Hannity for weeks because of it. It’s plain nonsense if you ask me.
Comment by The Northeast Dilemma
August 26th, 2005 at 10:02 amcome on NED, whos your daddy????
#79 “someone remove Cindy Sheehan’s feeding tube” – so much for hate speech.
August 26th, 2005 at 10:25 am#58 – so all anti-Iraq-war protestors are ‘anti-semites’ – interesting, I thought Arab peoples were semites too, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semite
You shouldn’t read too much Instapundit you know, it’s like being a kid next to a West Virginia power station.
August 26th, 2005 at 10:53 amI’m neither a conservative or a Liberal, although it doesn’t take a genius to realise Bush is a corrupt bastard. How many more innocent people will it take for this ‘war’ to end? It really doesn’t matter if they are American, British, Australian or Iraqi, a life is a life. Oh, and i’m still waiting for some weapons of mass destruction – those who say Saddam was the main weapon have absoloutely no intelligence whatsoever, and need to wake up to the lies and hypocrisy of this administration.
August 26th, 2005 at 11:05 amIt’s soo cool how Junior will now be followed wherever he goes by ordinary citizens who just want to ask him a few questions about his Iraq invasion. Fu#kin’ beautiful ! He’ll be protested WHEREVER he goes, anywhere in the world, including anywhere in his own country ! His nightmare won’t end and it’s long overdue. I await the public meltdown. There’ll be a party at our house immediately after.
August 26th, 2005 at 11:14 am#58 – sorry not all, far be it from me to put words in your mouth Alexa, you do a fine job by yourself.
#84 James, there were WMD in Iraq on the day of the invasion – the Americans were shooting them… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium
DU, the WMD that keeps on giving…
August 26th, 2005 at 11:16 amThe truth is, servicemen and their families don’t enjoy the “first Amendment rights” of the rest of us, or, of families whose servicemen and women have already paid the ultimate price and can not be harmed further. When active duty military, or members of their family, speak out against administration policy it can have serious consequences — in terms stalling their advancement and/or direct disciplinary actions.
A woman with 5 active-duty family members is in NO position to speak honestly from her heart, or do anything at all other than toe the President’s line, about war policy. For this reason, Bush’s use of Mrs. Pruett as a prop was especially egregious — in terms of exploitation and abuse of power.
I am quite sure that whatever her real thoughts are, they are a hell of a lot more complicated and nuanced than anything she would feel free to say to the national media.
The huge difference in consequences for those who praise the administration and those who criticize it provides more moral weight to those on the critical side — because they speak their views knowing that they will be publicly savaged and, if possible, made to pay for doing so.
August 26th, 2005 at 11:27 amTerry,
Whether there were WMDs or not is irrelevant now that we are there in Iraq. Kerry and a whole host of others also saw the same intelligence and came to the same conclusion and voted for the war. Are you forgetting how much poisonous gas Saddam used in the Iran/Iraq war, on the Kurds and how he fired scud missiles toward Israel during the first gulf war? Doesn’t it seem a little strange that we didn’t find any weapons? To take a page from your playbook, sounds like a coverup to me. Why don’t you go and join up with the terrorists since you seem to love them more than your country!
August 26th, 2005 at 11:41 am#88 – I call BULLSHIT!!!
The UN knew there were no WMD. So did the French and Germans. Why do you think they were all pissed offed at the US? UN reports CLEARLY showed that the UNSCOM programs WORKED and that further inspections verified earlier reports. Period. End of statement.
BushCo chose to believe a HIGHLY UNRELIABLE Ahmed Chalabi and to NOT BELIEVE CIA reports. Why do you think BushCo went to the trouble of trying to discredit Joe Wilson and then out his wife when they realized Joe was making them up to be such fools?
In truth, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Rice, and nearly everyone in the Bush Cabal were angry at the CIA for seemingly underestimating the amount of WMD Iraq had at the end of GW1. But then BushCo turned around and used this anger to justify their turning their backs on UN evidence that supported CIA findings in the run up to GW2.
Yes, WMD are EXTREMELY relevent. Its part of the excuse BushCo used to get us into this mess in the first place.
The only thing strange here is you.
August 26th, 2005 at 11:53 amRed,
I guess the comment is correct, the WMD presence is irrelevant now, the lie was just used to start the war, Bush doesn’t really need it now. No I’m not forgetting how much poisonous gas Saddam used, you are forgetting who sold him the technology, armed him and shook his hand while he smiled and did nothing while he used the gas.
I don’t think it strange now that no weapons were found now, the inspectors were back in a had found nothing, and Scott Ritter told us (as did Duefler and co) that Saddam had lost his weapons during the highly effective it now seems, UN inspection regime up until 1998.
And finally a “against us or with us” personal attack, your argument dissolves in a foaming diatribe of incoherence. BTW, I’m not Amurkan. Don’t make assume – it makes an ass out of you and… well just you this time.
August 26th, 2005 at 11:59 amHere’s an American who might have an opinion about DU…
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/2298/
August 26th, 2005 at 12:03 pm“Doesn’t it seem a little strange that we didn’t find any weapons?”
Holy %$#@, I have been saying the same thing for years now. But to use it as justification for the war… Wow, you are the kid who kills his parents and the cries for mercy because you’re an orphan.
The keyboard commandoes and Kool-Aid brigade strike again.
August 26th, 2005 at 1:09 pmDon’t know if this has been cited yet, but this is what the Pruetts were quoted as saying originally at
August 26th, 2005 at 2:09 pmhttp://msnbc.msn.com/id/9068697/ Tammy Pruett says they fully support the war, but adds they do not want to be seen as judging those against it. “We don’t feel like we’re out here trying to be a poster family, we’re just proud of our sons,” she says.
Red,
The US supported Saddam in said operation against Iran, and helped him create his stock pile of weapons that he used on the Kurds. The US was also told of Iraq’s intentions to invade Kuwait prior to the invasion itself, and they were told in return that “the US has no opinion either way with that intention.” Then when they invaded we jumped on the opportunity to occupy land in that region, and chose a side.
Also, you are confusing healthy political dissent with lack of love or some kind of hatred for this country and/or its people. That is a common misnomer. “Your side” uses phrases like “unpatriotic, un-American” as a blanket to guard yourselves from the obvious and painful natural reaction to a piss-poor government. Imagine what this country would look like if there were never dissent. We have rights to free-speech and freedom of the press and so forth specifically so that DISSENT CAN EXIST WHEN THOSE WHO FEEL THEY NEED TO CAN DO SO WITHOUT PERSECUTION.
Chomsky writes: “States are not moral agents.”
August 26th, 2005 at 2:18 pm#88
I don’t think anyone is denying the fact that members of Congress saw the same intelligence that Bush saw.
However, there is one tiny little distinction: Bush is the one who made the ultimate decision to actually commit our forces to an invasion…not Congress. Bush is the one that set a deadline for Saddam to get out of Dodge or else face the consequences…not Congress. Bush is the one who addressed the nation on TV to prepare us for war in Iraq…not Congress.
August 26th, 2005 at 3:02 pm#76 But without someone to argue with, you would all come off like a bunch of parrots. We, your conservative frinds, are doing you a favour by allowing you to hone your arguments – it’s not working yet, but I have hope for you! You should have quoted more of your referenced article instead of stopping short when a semantics wonk is working on foriegn policy. A very telling synopsis: ” Those who hate Jews may be inclined to criticize Israeli policy.” Then again, maybe they don’t hate Jews – they just love the people who would like to see Jews vanish.
August 26th, 2005 at 3:19 pmRe: 95
OK, so that’s 3 tiny little distinctions.
August 26th, 2005 at 3:34 pmTurtle, While I’m slightly impressed with your wonkishness on Semitic roots, I’m more impressed with your amazing ability to change “what is, is” to “Jews aren’t the only ones referred to as Semites.” Wow! Communications must have been your major. I appreciate your not addressing the argument of how many pro-Palestinian groups endorse the Hamas and Hezbollah network. (”There goes the hijacking of that ‘religion of peace’ again!) Of course you knew Hezbollah is responsible for more American deaths than any other terrorist group (perhaps “freedom fighters” to you).
August 26th, 2005 at 3:39 pmThis just in from Captain Obvious:
Al-Qaeda has killed more Americans than any other terrorist group.
August 26th, 2005 at 3:49 pm#98 – Alexa, “how many pro-Palestinian groups endorse the Hamas and Hezbollah network” duh! Its pretty obvious to Palestinians that when the US-made Apaches shoot Raytheon missles into their marketplaces that the US won’t help them. Who would you turn to?
#99 – another duh! Thanks CO
#58 – yet another duh! How did your capital get it’s name Alex-uh? Madison? Houston? History are written by the winners and cities named by the people whose land it is.
#98 – Pat Robertson – ‘who would Jesus whack?’ Religion of peace? Christianity as practised by Robertson and his crowd? Everyone justifies themselves by the voices in their heads, don’t listen to yours Alexa.
August 26th, 2005 at 4:00 pmSo Alexa, the pro-Palestinian groups show up anti-Iraq war (for whatever reason) and yet this alignment with so-called ‘peaceniks’ millions-strong across the world (biggest single demo ever) and they are hijacking the ‘religion of peace’? Read your arguments, they are very confusing…. And somehow, the anti-Iraq war movement is somehow invalidated by their presence? Hmm were Churchill and Roosvelt considered tainted by their alliance with Hitler? Your logic fails me. I guess I must be stupid.
August 26th, 2005 at 4:17 pm#101 – LOL – oops I meant Stalin. Hitler, Stalin, I get my dictators all mixed up.
August 26th, 2005 at 4:19 pmWhy has Cindy’s vigil turned into a character assassignation plot? Leave the poor woman alone and stop trying to besmirch her.
What is so hard for those drinking the Kool-Aid to understand here?
The overwhelming majority of us who are left-leaning or progressive SUPPORT the troops. Our anger and frustration is not directed at them.
They are doing the most difficult job in the world. Many of the young men and women on the ground over there are stuck in this hell, a hell created by the Bush administration. We know the premise for going into Iraq is false. We know that Iraq was not connected to 911. The troops deserve our SUPPORT, it’s the GD administration that we are against.
I support our troops. I don’t support the SOB who sent them there.
How can a group of neo-cons who never served in armed combat carry out this war. The “Commander-in-Chief” can’t even run a business without running it into the ground. Regretably that’s just where this nation will be as a result of his *cough* leadership.
And WHY, WHY, WHY, WHY, aren’t the REAL numbers of dead American soliders being reported and talked about? I suppose if you die from injuries sustained in battle but don’t do it on the ground in Iraq, your death doesn’t really count? The message to our soldiers is really this: If you are going to die and for your death to “count” so people back home get upset about it, you had damn well better do it before the wheels of the military transport plan lift off the ground at Bagdhad Airport wisking your body back to a hospital in Germany, else it was all for naught.
August 26th, 2005 at 4:36 pmPost #88 is Pure Unadulterated Bullshit. Just where do you think Saddam Hussien GOT those Chem and Bio weapons? Do the names George H. W. Bush and Ronald Reagan ring a bell?
These were the very same weapons he used against the Iranians AND the Kurds and nothing was done to stop him.
It is funny how cokehead ‘duh-bya’ used the very same WMDs his ‘Poppy’ and ‘Ronny Raygun’, with the assistance of Ronald Dumsfeld (yes, there is a photo of Dumsfeld shaking hands with ‘the villian’ Saddam Hussein readily available on the internet)to invade Iraq.
Saddam only fell out of favor after he nationalized the Iraqi Oil Industry and the capper was when Iraq was going to base their economy on the euro instead of the dollar.
Its the OIL, stupid…
August 26th, 2005 at 5:21 pmHey Red, #88…
Yeah, but you conveniently forget that we, the good ol’ US of A GAVE ALL THE GAS and other assorted deadly goodies to Sadaam and turned a blind eye when he killed all his people. Good ol’ Donny Rummy was best buddies with S.H. for quite a long time.
Our government has just as much blood on its hands for supporting S.H. and giving him everything he needed to wipe out his opponents.
Remember, we were anti-Iran at the time. Ever hear the saying “The enemy of my enemy is my friend…”?
We made the monster. Wake up.
August 26th, 2005 at 5:59 pmAlexa I understand that Sharon the butcher of Bakka and AIPAC, ADL JINSA and a host of other Zionist lobbies and think tanks in the U.S. support the war in Iraq. They with the neocons, NYT, Washington Post and all of the T.V. media cartels and all of the right wing Christian wackos, the defense contractors, mercenary corporations (private contractors), oilmen and a host of others benefiting from largesse of the American taxpayer all support the war. So why is it unreasonable that anti war protesters would object to Israels involvement in this war.
You must believe we are stupid. We know who the neocons are. Wolfowitz, Feith, Abrams, Libby, Pearle, Woolsey, Kristol, Horowitz, Krauthammer, Kupperman. They are mostly Jewish, all pro Zionist and in league with the Likud party of Israel. There allegiances are dual. They are the architects of the war in Iraq they have been planning it since the early nineties as evidenced by the Project for a New American Century’s (a neocon think tank) statement of principles.
They have used the emotional turmoil of 9/11 to advance their case for American imperialism, that is to use the American military in the absence of any other super power to advance U.S. business and political interests around the world by unilateral and preemptive action.
Well gosh golly gee whiz by starting in Iraq they could get the oilmen on board and provide a convenient way to destroy Iraq and hopefully every other Arab nation perceived as a threat to Israel without Israel having have to do a damn thing.
Guess what there are a few people in this country who don’t want to be Israels war proxy, who don’t want to lose their lives or their childrens lives or spend hundreds of billions of dollars to do so. Guess what, despite your best efforts at propaganda there are a number of people who know that Israel is a racist apartheid and in name theocratic state that has oppressed and terrorized the Palestinians for over a half a century.
Maybe this will help you understand why we feel a little distressed at being manipulated by lies into an illegal and immoral war by some zionist intellectuals who have managed to wrest control of our government through three fraudulent national elections and a massive propaganda and disinformation campaign by our Zion friendly corporate owned Goebbels machine called the media.
I personally believe that the people who perpetrated this war and benefited financially from it are traitors, murderers and working to make this nation less secure, less democratic, and less free. They have stolen hundreds of billions dollars from the treasury and have turned us into a rogue nation of terrorists and torturers.
August 26th, 2005 at 6:16 pmAbe – when you understand the term “imperialism” get back with me. And have you noticed that “neo-con” is the new buzzword for ‘conservative –ickkk- JEW”?
August 26th, 2005 at 6:40 pmTurtle – why would I worry about FDR and Churchill’s association with Hitler…oooooooopppppps, STALIN. All the fashionable “useful idiots” applauded Stalin. (Another clever diversionary tactic!) I’m sure that modern progressives (ie: the anti -global/capitalism/imperialism crowd) criticize communism not on theory but for the poor application of the theory. Got to love the appearance of re-distributing that wealth, you egalitarian, you!! Guilt-wracked Hollywood types joined the romance of the Red Brigade – Pulitzers were awarded to more “useful idiots” – (Omigosh – - I fell for the classic progressive tangent tactic – but it was fun!)
Odd…There is something very wrong with Pruette’s answer to Zahn’s question:
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>ZAHN: There are so many things that must keep you awake at night.
What is your chief concern as your son’s service continues over there?
>T. PRUETT: My greatest concern is that we stand firm, that we stand behind the president, that we
continue this battle until it’s done and we bring all of our boys and women home safely, but not until it’s
ready.
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Notice Pruette, the mom, didn’t reply:
“My greatest concern is that my son’s don’t get their blood cells scattered
all over creation by a bomb.”
Apparently, She doesn’t care if they come home whole, or alive.
Only they must back the president..What a fool she is…
August 26th, 2005 at 7:42 pmIgnoring a mother who has suffered the ultimate loss crosses a line that cuts deep. Quit calling Rove brilliant; they are scared of women.
August 26th, 2005 at 9:11 pmRight on Abe. 106
August 26th, 2005 at 9:22 pmIsnt’ it telling that the Bushites are stomping all over Sheehan, who lost her son in a war that she doesn’t see as noble. When the Iraqi constitution if it ever arrives gives women fewer rights than they had under Saddam, when the Islamist fundamentalists rule the government in all matters of law, will any Bushite then agree that there is no nobility in this stupid, stupid war? Bush himself has to find another mother to back him up as if to say “see, there is a mother who agrees with me.” He is weak, a spineless coward who has been handed on a platter everything he has in life and he is unable to exhibit proper compassion and empathy because he is cold and calculating — looking out only for himself and his friends.
August 26th, 2005 at 9:27 pmWhat more will it take to convince Bushites that their leader has betrayed them, used their loyalty, and doesn’t give a rat’s ass about them?
The time has come to bring out our “No Iraq War” signs again. Let’s stand together and keep pushing. Call your senators and make noise. The tide is turning.
Frank
August 27th, 2005 at 1:27 amI want to know when exactly will the “mission” be accomplished? I read that the administration had lowered its expectations and goals for Iraq, so I’m wondering how we know when we’ve reached success? Will it be when the Islamist theocracy is securely established?
August 27th, 2005 at 10:47 amI wholeheartedly appreciate Abe’s posting #106. It is the root cause of this mess and the truth. Righties who support this wacko administration are unpatriotic and unChristian. They would rather stand with their party and the lying resident at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue than stand up for their nation. They are a bunch of blood-thirsty warmongering idiots who are ripping at the fabric of our nation and all that is decent.
August 27th, 2005 at 10:57 amWars are started by old men
August 27th, 2005 at 12:51 pmfor young peopole to die in.
Other then young neocons because they are chickenhawks.
You all might be intrested in this from Daily Sally go take a look … it might just open a few red state eyes
http://dailysally.blogspot.com/2005/08/who-served-our-country-and-who-didnt.html
The email came from a longtime House staffer who currently works for a powerful congressman and says it’s been around the Hill and back, vetted and authenticated. Some of the information we’ve all seen before. Some is verrry enlightening.
Anti-war; Pro-war. Blue State; Red State. Good; Evil. Right; Wrong. You be the judge.
August 27th, 2005 at 7:32 pmI JUDGE, and dumbya, his family and anyone he associates with are EVIL!
George Walker Bush is a much, much lower turd than whale dung. Here’s a bit more solid proof for those who wonder how Smirko got to be the most powerful coke-whore on the planet:
CIA, Nazis & the Republican Party
A Fresh Look
by Carla Binion
Investigative reporter Christopher Simpson says in BLOWBACK that after World War II, Nazi émigrés were given CIA subsidies to build a far-right-wing power base in the U.S. These Nazis assumed prominent positions in the Republican Party’s “ethnic outreach committees.” Simpson documents the fact that these Nazis did not come to America as individuals but as part of organized groups with fascist political agendas.
The Nazi agenda did not die along with Adolf Hitler. It moved toAmerica (or a part of it did) and joined the far right of the Republican Party. Simpson shows how the State Department and the CIA put high-ranking Nazis on the intelligence payroll “for their expertise in propaganda and psychological warfare,” among other purposes…
Journalist Russ Bellant (OLD NAZIS, THE NEW RIGHT, AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY) shows that Laszlo Pasztor, a convicted Nazi war collaborator, built the Republican émigré network. Pasztor, who served as adviser to Republican Paul Weyrich, belonged to the Hungarian Arrow Cross, a group that helped liquidate Hungary’s Jews. Pasztor was founding chairman of the Republican Heritage Groups Council. Two months before the November 1988 presidential election, a small newspaper, Washington Jewish Week, disclosed that a coalition for the Bush campaign included a number of outspoken Nazis and anti-Semites. The article prompted six leaders of Bush’s coalition to resign.
According to Russ Bellant, Nazi collaborators involved in the Republican Party included:
* Radi Slavoff, GOP Heritage Council’s executive director, and head of “Bulgarians for Bush.” Slavoff was a member of a Bulgarian fascist group, and he put together an event in Washington honoring Holocaust denier, Austin App.
* Florian Galdau, director of GOP outreach efforts among Romanians, and head of “Romanians for Bush.” Galdau was once an Iron Guard recruiter, and he defended convicted Nazi war criminal Valerian Trifa.
* Nicholas Nazarenko, leader of a Cossack GOP ethnic unit. Nazarenko was an ex-Waffen SS officer.
* Method Balco, GOP activist. Balco organized yearly memorials for a Nazi puppet regime.
* Walter Melianovich, head of the GOP’s Byelorussian unit. Melianovich worked closely with many Nazi groups.
* Bohdan Fedorak, leader of “Ukrainians for Bush.” Fedorak headed a Nazi group involved in anti-Jewish wartime pogroms.
August 28th, 2005 at 1:30 amAccording to Russ Bellant, Nazi collaborators involved in the Republican Party included:
* Radi Slavoff, GOP Heritage Council’s executive director, and head of “Bulgarians for Bush.†Slavoff was a member of a Bulgarian fascist group, and he put together an event in Washington honoring Holocaust denier, Austin App.
* Florian Galdau, director of GOP outreach efforts among Romanians, and head of “Romanians for Bush.†Galdau was once an Iron Guard recruiter, and he defended convicted Nazi war criminal Valerian Trifa.
* Nicholas Nazarenko, leader of a Cossack GOP ethnic unit. Nazarenko was an ex-Waffen SS officer.
* Method Balco, GOP activist. Balco organized yearly memorials for a Nazi puppet regime.
* Walter Melianovich, head of the GOP’s Byelorussian unit. Melianovich worked closely with many Nazi groups.
* Bohdan Fedorak, leader of “Ukrainians for Bush.†Fedorak headed a Nazi group involved in anti-Jewish wartime pogroms.
Comment by KJ Lovell
I feel sick. So the Republican Party really is the third-Reich. Neo-Con, Neo-Nazi, it all becomes so much clearer. I’m amazed that Jewish Republicans, can live with themselves.
August 28th, 2005 at 10:14 pmNick, we understand who supports the state of Isarael and who “empathizes” with bus bombers.
August 29th, 2005 at 3:00 pmSo who supports whom MA. Is Israel the good guys in all of this, by any chance? Is it another good v evil debate, which the American right so obviously love? They’re evil so we can kill and murder them, and nobody will say anything, we’re the good guys.
August 31st, 2005 at 1:42 pmCindy “Peace Mom” Sheehan camped out near President Bush’s Texas ranch to demand a meeting with the president – if you can call staying in an air-conditioned trailer “camping out.”
One observer of the scene, who considers himself a conservative, visited Crawford “to understand what was actually happening.”
Here’s what he was told:
“I found a well-funded, well-orchestrated public relations campaign, run by media professionals complete with the highest quality electronic equipment.
“Most of the Sheehan protesters were either professional (paid staff of a public relations group or radical organizations), or were long-time protesters, some admitting to beginning vigils against the government as early as 1965.”
When the talk turned to politics, “they all responded the same way: ?It is America’s fault.’ No matter what the issue, each and every one of them had the same default: Bad things are America’s fault.
“Cindy Sheehan spent most of her time huddled with VIPs in an air-conditioned trailer. When she ventured out it was for a scripted and often televised moment.
“During one conversation I had with her I tried to ask her a pointed question about how much time she would actually be on the bus tour to Washington. (I had discovered she would only be on the tour for two days, and would be away giving speeches during the rest of the trip … and I wondered if she was being paid for these speeches.)
“Her media person grabbed her arm and led her back to the trailer and away from me.
“But a few minutes later, she emerged from the trailer, smiling and performing for the cameras. Like the chicken at the local carnival that plays tic tac toe, she eagerly performs for any microphone.”
September 5th, 2005 at 6:36 pm