When Fox News Fans Attack
On August 7, Fox News host John Loftus went on live national television and read what he claimed was the home address of Iyad Hilal, a man with alleged ties to the July 7 bombings in London. It turned out the address was actually to the home of Randy and Ronnell Vorick, an innocent California couple. Following the Fox report, local residents harassed the family, and a vandal spray-painted their home.
When CBS reported on the harassment, the following image accompanied their story:
Except the word “terrorist” wasn’t spray-painted on the Voricks’ house.
No, the Fox News fan who vandalized their house spelled the word… “terrist”:
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Isn’t this how the Nazis whipped the local populace into “action” during the 1930’s in Germany?
August 29th, 2005 at 11:35 amIsn’t this libelous? Surely it violates some law. If someone went after some of these right wing, hate mongers where it hurts – in their wallets – maybe they’d start to tone down their rhetoric. Yeah, I know, good luck on that.
August 29th, 2005 at 11:40 amit would be insensitive to imply that fox news viewers are poor spellers
August 29th, 2005 at 11:46 amWouldn’t you lefties agree, though, that if the guy who owned this house WAS a terrorist, that this spray-paint wouldn’t be a bad thing??
August 29th, 2005 at 11:47 amMichael Darravo’s comment has to be the stupidest thing I’ve read in a while.
August 29th, 2005 at 11:50 am[Isn’t this libelous?]
I would call it slander and libel too, and would just sue the pants off FOX! Fox was negligent, and Loftus is a defendant.
I could see a law suit named, “Vorick vs. Fox News vs Loftus.” For real.
August 29th, 2005 at 11:50 amNot really. And how do you go about proving that he was a terrorist. What about his family who might not know. This is as bad as spraying the N word on a black persons house…
Way to justify a hate crime Michael.
August 29th, 2005 at 11:51 amMichael, Are you suggesting that because Fox News labels someone a terrorist, publishes their address, it’s ok for personal property to be vandelized and damaged or destroyed? What if those innocent people were attacked? That would’ve been ok if the Fox guys said they were terrorists?
tsb
August 29th, 2005 at 11:52 am#4 The problem is that they WEREN’T “terrists” and Faux news are to blame for this false propaganda. Nice try though. Geez, I swear the right wingnuts never hold themselves accountable for any wrong doing.
August 29th, 2005 at 11:52 amMichael Darravo’s comment has to be the stupidest thing I’ve read in a while
Would you not agree that if “dumb-ass” were spray-painted on Mr. Darravo’s house, it would not be a bad thing?
August 29th, 2005 at 11:52 ammike has a great plan… defeat terrorism with spray paint. No terrorist can withstand vandalism! Release the dittoheads, we’ve got some tagging to do.
August 29th, 2005 at 11:52 am#4 I know it sounds nutty, but if someone is a terrist (sic), maybe we should call the FBI, Homeland Security, the local police or some other authority.
August 29th, 2005 at 11:53 amHey Mikey,
Wouldn’t you agree that we live in a country where we have laws and due process and where people are presumed innocent until proven guilty? A country that doesn’t use vigilante justice? How about it, Mike?
The problem with righties is, they seldom, if ever, actually check to see if a particular piece of information is accurate. Which is simply laziness, since it’s so easy these days.
August 29th, 2005 at 11:53 amYes, Derravo, I think it would look really good on the White House, otherwise known as Terrist Central. And when the can is empty, it would fit right up your ass perfectly.
August 29th, 2005 at 11:53 amI know. Let’s spray paint “Murderer” on all ReichWingNut homes. That way we can easily identify the stupid uneducated illiterate nut case whack jobs who believe Bush is “right” about “terrorism” and his invasion of Iraq. Or maybe just mark their homes with some sheep blood.
Ya. That’s the ticket.
August 29th, 2005 at 11:54 amDo you think the vandals celebrated by holding up their paint-stained fingers like they were participating in an Iraqi election?
August 29th, 2005 at 11:54 amNo Michael. If the inhabitant was a terrorist I would want them to be arrested and dealt with through the justice system. Us lefties don’t believe in vigilante justice or vandalism.
August 29th, 2005 at 11:55 am*Wouldn’t you lefties agree, though, that if the guy who owned this house WAS a terrorist, that this spray-paint wouldn’t be a bad thing??*
The point is, though, they WEREN’T ‘terrists’! And if they were, I’D rather see them be arrested than having some word spray painted on their house. Geeeeee, arresting terrorists… what a novel idea that would be for this pathetic excuse of an administration.
Osama bin-Forgotten is probably laughing his butt off right now.
And Thomas Jefferson is spinning in his grave.
August 29th, 2005 at 11:56 amA further thought for Mike. Vigilante justice is absolutely un-American. It is not one of the values our founding fathers espoused. Why do you hate America, Mike?
August 29th, 2005 at 11:57 amlove the spelling of TERRIST. hahahahaha, typical Fox News viewer.
August 29th, 2005 at 11:58 am“And if thou doest suspect thy neighbor of unpatriotic deeds, thou shouldst paint the accusation upon thy neighbors abode, lest thyself be so accused.”
-Thomas Jefferson
“You are with us or with the Hessians.”
-George Washington
August 29th, 2005 at 11:59 amDespite the desire to pile on Michael, the Spray-Painters Brigade is actually a little known unit within the 101st Fighting Keyboarders. Show them some respect.
August 29th, 2005 at 12:02 pmNot to let anyone off the hook, but speaking as someone with some graphic design expertise, I think it’s safe to say that the photo CBS ran (which is actually credited to “AP/CBS”) is supposed to be a “photo illustration” - that is, a photo that’s been treated or collaged to “illustrate” a story - rather than a “straight” news photo. In fact, it might even have been a graphic used behind a news reader when the story appeared on TV. It certainly has that “look”.
August 29th, 2005 at 12:03 pmWhoa, hold fire there. You guys are bonkers.
For those talking about due process, or about proving that the person actually was a terrorist, or that the “problem is that they WEREN’T ‘terrists’” — you all need to actually read what I wrote.
I asked, what if the person WAS a proven, real-life terrorist? Then would you all still be whining about a little spray-paint?
August 29th, 2005 at 12:05 pmI hope somebody finds out who did this and spray paints ‘mispeller [sic]’ on his house.
August 29th, 2005 at 12:06 pmThis story is horrible and disgusting. Mr. Derravo’s comment I dismiss because it was either an attempt to stir everybody up (which, unfortunately it did) or Mr. Derravo is Category 6 idiot, a level previously not thought possible.
However, the irony of this story seems to be missed. Fox news, in its purposeful incitement of activity against these people (they did not give out the address so that people could send Christmas cards to it) are actually engaging in, by its purest definition, terrorism. Thusly, they are terrorists.
Mind boggling.
August 29th, 2005 at 12:07 pmUmm wouldn’t they be in jail Michael? Why terrorise innocent realations?
August 29th, 2005 at 12:08 pmI asked, what if the person WAS a proven, real-life terrorist? Then would you all still be whining about a little spray-paint?
If the person was a proven, real-life terrorist, one would hope that person would, you know, be in the authorities’ custody, not living in a quiet ‘burb being spraypainted.
August 29th, 2005 at 12:08 pmbesides, Bush isnt concerned with catching terrorists, hes only concerned with letting them stay free so they can scare gullible people like Micheal into waving their flags for an inept administration.bin laden is where?
August 29th, 2005 at 12:08 pmThey had it coming. These people had to know that the previous owners were terrorists.
They knew all this time and TOLD NO ONE.
They should be glad this is all they got.
August 29th, 2005 at 12:10 pmOptimist–
Category 6. At least.
August 29th, 2005 at 12:10 pmConservatives who are defending Fox news to the end prove they have lost all of their American values. I just wonder if one realizes it when you crosses the line?
August 29th, 2005 at 12:10 pmAl, if your going to try and be funny, try to make it a little more obvious, unfortunately,the commment you made would be a typical comment from the various conservative sheep here.
August 29th, 2005 at 12:11 pm“what if the person WAS a proven, real-life terrorist?”
Well, then it would be heroic, because after they’ve been convicted, terrorists live in fear that someone will spray paint the house they used to live in.
August 29th, 2005 at 12:12 pmWait, I’m not sure I get this whole story. Are they saying that in the picture that accompanied the article, where “Terrorist” is correctly spelled, The FOX NEWS CREW painted the word on the house, or that it was Photoshopped in?
August 29th, 2005 at 12:14 pmIs it saying that Fox didn’t show the actual, misspelled, grafitti, but instead made up their own?
I really, really don’t understand why Fox isn’t being hammered all over the media for this. It’s a much more damaging report than “Rather-gate”. This should be a lead story everywhere, and Fox should be slammed with a huge civil suit. I hope that’s coming, but Fox would probably just settle, paying extra for not having to apologize. Wankers.
Woulda, shoulda, coulda, dumbass. They weren’t and it’s wrong. vigilatism in any form leads to chaos.
August 29th, 2005 at 12:17 pmFAUX NEWS - We report, WE DECIDE!
The idiots at FAUX don’t care about anything but backing up repuglican talking points.
Truth is the owner of that house was probably someone that said something FAUX and Dumbya didn’t like, so they unleashed their attack dogs & the sheeple followed suit and attacked.
The really FUNNY thing, stupid people (products of no billionaire left behind) spend more energy on hate and virtually no energy on an education.
Never underesti-ma-gate the power of STUPID PEOPLE IN LARGE GROUPS. Go- Dumbya, Go FAUX news (sic)
August 29th, 2005 at 12:20 pmI think you spell terrist, P-O-T-A-T-O-E
August 29th, 2005 at 12:40 pmThey certainly don’t know what a terrorist is, why would they know how to spell it?
August 29th, 2005 at 12:41 pmMichael, what is the point of your question? Do you mean to imply that the spray-painting was justified, on the grounds that the people in the house might be “terrists”?
August 29th, 2005 at 12:44 pmHas anybody stopped to think that maybe the Tagger in question is a Latin scholar and was merely pointing out that the current occupants of the house were “Land dwellers?” This as opposed to those fiendish gill people from Water world.I say give this person the medal of freedom, and Fox for covering this important event.
August 29th, 2005 at 12:46 pmThen Michael, clearly spray-painting the word IDIOT on your forehead is a given.
August 29th, 2005 at 12:47 pmI think Dave, at 12:03, is absolutely correct; that photo was intended as a graphic, not an actual news photo. You wouldn’t have put the video camera in the foreground on a straight news shot, I wouldn’t think. CBS News was wrong to run a graphic so confusing, however. One should never be left guessing like this.
But the real point, of course, is that Fox and Loftus were utterly irresponsible. Hopefully both of them will be writing large checks to the Voricks in the near future.
August 29th, 2005 at 12:53 pmMichael, I clearly responded to you the first time. Vigalante justice is a bad thing, something that should not be a part of a civilized society governed by the rule of law. We have the legal system for “proven real-life terrorists”. I would never condone anyone stooping to the level of vigilantism - really, I see it as the first step toward terrorism.
August 29th, 2005 at 12:56 pmSo, Fox is a branch of our criminal justice system now too?
August 29th, 2005 at 12:59 pmMaybe it wasn’t a misspelling. Maybe the Voricks are earth lovers.
August 29th, 2005 at 1:02 pmJudging from the spelling, can W. account for his whereabouts that night? He’s pretty good at fingering the wrong people…
August 29th, 2005 at 1:03 pmIf we don’t use vigilante tactics, threats and intimidation against each other then the “terrists” have won.
August 29th, 2005 at 1:08 pm“Wouldn’t you lefties agree, though, that if the guy who owned this house WAS a terrorist, that this spray-paint wouldn’t be a bad thing??”
No. If he were a ‘terrist’, left to you, he’d have got away. Like Osama.
hey, rightie, how can you defend Bush’s failure with pride? no failure? then where’s Osama? All I can see is your pride.
August 29th, 2005 at 1:09 pm“but Fox would probably just settle”
takes 2 sides to selttle
August 29th, 2005 at 1:11 pmA little swastika burning on a Bush supporter’s lawn is okay with you?
August 29th, 2005 at 1:13 pmhttp://www.channel3000.com/news/3776992/detail.html
This thread reeks of hypocracy.
And some vandalizing of one of many recruitment centers?
August 29th, 2005 at 1:14 pmhttp://www.democraticunderground.com/ discuss/ duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104×3325709
Hey, what’s that smell? Hypocracy?
Creamy,
h-y-p-o-c-r-i-s-y
Next question:
August 29th, 2005 at 1:23 pmHow do YOU spell terrorist?
Thanks for clearing that up AT, I thought CG was talking about some wacky governmental system based on hypodermic needles…
August 29th, 2005 at 1:26 pmWith Bush’s supporters taking their spelling and grammar cues from their hero, the list of suspects is large indeed.
August 29th, 2005 at 1:26 pmCreamy
I would be hypocricy if Air America had annouced that there was a Neo Nazi living at said residence. Christ don’t you people get it?
August 29th, 2005 at 1:28 pmWith a name like Iyad, he must have been a terrist.
Unless he was a former Baathist assasin that we installed as prime minister of Iraq. Then he’s a “good man”.
August 29th, 2005 at 1:28 pmMichael, you’re absolutely right. Why, I know that when we had the words “niger” and “coon” spraypainted on the road in front of our house last year, we had no room to complain. We knew that, as a biracial family, we just had to take it. They were right in spirit, if not their spelling.
My hat off to you, Michael Derravo, for showing us that we all need our labels, preferably painted on our property. Since we have no law enforcement entities in our nation, it’s up to each and every one of us to use spray paint to identify those undesirables in our midst.
August 29th, 2005 at 1:29 pmJesus
August 29th, 2005 at 1:30 pmNow you idiots have me misspelling! Hypocrisy!
Here we have another rightwingnut whining about something he can’t even spell. Sorry, Creamy Dumness, but I guess I missed the post in this thread where someone advocates for swastikas on the lawns or vandilizing personal property, didn’t I? If you took the time to THINK about what people are posting here, you’d see there’s not a whiff of (stay with me here) H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y.
Now go learn something useful.
August 29th, 2005 at 1:31 pmOkay, okay, “vandAlizing”.
August 29th, 2005 at 1:33 pmResident
Wow, kinda shows where we are at right now in this country. Make you think if you want to ever be a “desirable”?
August 29th, 2005 at 1:34 pmI think a suit for defamation against FOX is highly in order. In fact, I wish I was an attorney in California right now so that I could contact the owners of the house and encourage them to file a lawsuit.
Because the current occupiers of the house were NOT “public figures,” FOX is going to have a very, very hard time defending itself.
August 29th, 2005 at 1:35 pmIt’s not really a misspelling per se, it’s a phonetic spelling from a follower of GW or, as TonyC intimates, perhaps the AssChimp himself.
August 29th, 2005 at 1:39 pmCitizen80203,
Please define for “us” what you think “we” are not “getting.” (re:#56)
August 29th, 2005 at 1:40 pmNote: I’m not on “the conservative” (and I use that term loosely) side. I’m just looking for some clarity.
August 29th, 2005 at 1:42 pmAlas, poor Voricks….
August 29th, 2005 at 1:42 pmStumpy Joe: FUNNY! Thanks, this did in fact make me l.o.l.
Stumpy Joe wrote:
August 29th, 2005 at 1:44 pm—Has anybody stopped to think that maybe the Tagger in question is a Latin scholar and was merely pointing out that the current occupants of the house were “Land dwellers?†This as opposed to those fiendish gill people from Water world.I say give this person the medal of freedom, and Fox for covering this important event.—
Is this the new ebonics? Is our children learning about nuculer terrists?
August 29th, 2005 at 1:44 pmI am so tired of all this bushing hate. Everything is justified if you throw the terror card in and all decency is tossed aside and bush those personal liberties and “inalienable rights†that those bush heads, our founding fathers, seemed so excited about.
I mean, what the bush! If you don’t agree with the bushin’ administration, which according to most polls equates to over half of the bushing population, then you are a mother-bushin’ traitor. It’s so bushed up that bushing our own neighbors is considered acceptable bushing behavior now. Stupid bushers like Mikey, who I still think is just some bushing stupid mother-busher just trying to bush everything up, thinks that attacks on folks’ life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness is okay because what if they had actually been bushin’s terrorists? The logic there is so bushed up and tweaked that you cannot even argue against it because it’s akin to arguing with someone that 1 plus 1 does actually equal 2 and not the 4,369 that they bushing think it does.
I wonder what it is going to take for these mother-bushers to pull their heads out of their bushing asses and see the light of day! I say bush you all you bushing bushed up mother-bushers.
There, I feel better.
August 29th, 2005 at 1:50 pmPretty funny Optimist. I only have one thing to say: Bush off!
August 29th, 2005 at 1:53 pmElvis
In reference to Creamy’s post of “A little swastika burning on a Bush supporter’s lawn is okay with you?”
August 29th, 2005 at 1:54 pmThe difference being, a major news network announced that a suspected terrorist lived at a certain residence, not a single (or group) act of vandalism. Now if Air America had announced that there was a Neo Nazi living at that residence, then creamy would be right to draw a parallel.
This is no laughing matter. The Aquaists already control 2/3rds of the world’s surface area, and are closing in on the Gulf Coast as we speak. We have to point out our friends and our enemies. Thanks again Fox for this news “I can use”! I’m going to spray paint a Terrist sign on my own house today.
August 29th, 2005 at 1:59 pmStumpy Joe
Finally someone gets it!! Not only do they control 2/3 of the surface, they have entered our bodies with 3/4 of their h2o poison!
August 29th, 2005 at 2:03 pmCitizen80203,
August 29th, 2005 at 2:05 pmPerfect, got it, thanks.
If an actual dangerous terrorist had been living there, I would prefer that the FBI handle it, not some spray paint wielding morons. I thought the so-called conservatives were all for law and order? Let the professionals handle it kids, you’ll just get yourselves hurt and make the situation worse.
August 29th, 2005 at 2:11 pm“Wouldn’t you lefties agree, though, that if the guy who owned this house WAS a terrorist, that this spray-paint wouldn’t be a bad thing?? ”
Oh, of course, Michael. Vandalizing the homes of suspected terrorists is one of the most effective tactics to achieve victory in the GWAT.
Dork.
August 29th, 2005 at 2:17 pm“… if the guy who owned this house WAS a terrorist, that this spray-paint wouldn’t be a bad thing?”
Priceless.
Tell me bubba… what are you, 12 years old? This is the entire right-wing mindset. It’s schoolyard law. Ooh–that’ll learn ‘em! Spraypaint! What’s next, a wet willie? Atomic wedgie? Flaming bag of poop?
The problem is if you say this is okay then it would have been okay if someone had threatened the people (which apparently happened). Or if they’d firebombed the house. Or dragged the owner out and lynched them on their front lawn. Wrong is wrong. You can’t justify it by degrees.
It’s time the kids on the right grew up, quit playing schoolyard bully and joined the rest of us adults here in the real world.
And while you’re all at it… learn how to spell too for crissakes.
August 29th, 2005 at 2:22 pmIf an actual dangerous terrorist had been living there, I would prefer that the FBI handle it, not some spray paint wielding morons. … Let the professionals handle it kids, you’ll just get yourselves hurt and make the situation worse.
True, very true. Such vandalism is unacceptable in a civilized society.
Hey Michael Derravo! Why don’t you post your home address here. Just so that anyone thinking of spray-painting bad stuff can avoid your place.
If you’re not a terrist, what do you have to fear?
August 29th, 2005 at 2:22 pmJust an aside, but Michael Daverro’s comments seem to be an astute parody of John Gibsons comments after the Met murdered an innocent man. (i.e. If Mr. Menez HAD been a “terrist”, unloading a clip into his brain would be justified)
So, in that spirit, I salute you, Mr. Derravo, for a troll well done.
August 29th, 2005 at 2:40 pmMichael Derravo is too busy shoving his offical G.W. Bush dildo up his ass to think clearly.
August 29th, 2005 at 2:41 pmThe poor Voricks. Can you imagine, in this current “Patriotic-Gitgo”, no Geneva Convention rule, how horrible it would of been, if a friend call to tell you, that the Fox News, had just pin-pointed your home as where a terrorist lives? Isn’t this illegal, like yelling Fire, in a crowded building.
August 29th, 2005 at 2:51 pmThere should be criminal charges filed as well as civil.
[…] (via thinkprogress.org) […]
August 29th, 2005 at 3:08 pm[…] Via Think Progress: So FOX “news” gives out the address of a Middle Eastern man, Iyad Hilal, a terrorist group leader with ties to the London bombings. […]
August 29th, 2005 at 3:13 pmWay to think outside the box, Mike.
Now, ponder this hypothetical….what if Iraq had WMD and were about to use them in 45 minutes on us? Would we have been justified in invading? Sure!
Alas, they didn’t. And, like these vandals, this administration should be held accountable for the damage they have wrought on our military of the people of Iraq.
August 29th, 2005 at 3:47 pmu liverals are a bunsh of commies pigs. y dont u go back to shcool and defend america liek us americns.
August 29th, 2005 at 3:48 pmSean, you’re an Irish poet, and don’t know it! :-)
August 29th, 2005 at 3:53 pmHow can you possible justify the use of that photo? If it’s a graphic, what purpose does it serve? This is what a camera would look like if it had caught the seen the word terrorist on a wall? It’s a misleading lie at first and a ridiculous, and confusing compendium on second look. Questionable ethics at its very finest.
August 29th, 2005 at 3:54 pmMicheal Derrvaro is right becaus terrests are pigs.and so youse liverals tool.
August 29th, 2005 at 3:58 pmI still say the remedy is to publish John Loftus’s address and call him a child molester or some such.
August 29th, 2005 at 4:28 pmThere was a time when even the likes of Arafat sypathized with the US after 911. Now we’re reduced to paranoid isolationism, the “patriot” act, and this.
August 29th, 2005 at 4:42 pmThis is not how it is supposed to be in America.
Didn’t you know that John Loftus claims to have the evidence on your beloved Bush-Nazi connection myth? And now you want to go after him? I didn’t know they allowed lefty wackos on Fox. Doesn’t anybody see the irony here? Of course not. Hypocritical progressives? Never! Liberals would never vandalize anybody’s property they don’t agree with. Just like the anti-Israel Sheehan lovin Nazis. Bwhahahahahaha!
August 29th, 2005 at 5:12 pmJohn Loftus, watch out for http://zabasearch.com
Many terrist news hacks forget they are also included in publc records.
August 29th, 2005 at 5:23 pmWhat is it with wingnuts and “Bwahahahaha?” It seems like they think it makes their point and ends any possible counterargument.
August 29th, 2005 at 5:25 pmBwahaha?
Um, you DO know this isn’t a CounterStrike server over here don’t you, Creamy Santorum?
August 29th, 2005 at 5:25 pmYore poant beun?
August 29th, 2005 at 5:33 pmScreamy-
Busted clocks are right twice a day. Let me educate you on the Bush-Nazi connection-
From http://www.salon.com/ news/ feature/ 2004/ 09/ 27/ finance_nazis/ index_np.html
The profitable business of war
Three new books about allegations that the president’s grandfather helped the Nazis and a related $40 billion legal action by two Holocaust survivors raise uncomfortable issues for the Bush campaign.
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By Ben Aris and Duncan Campbell
Sept. 27, 2004 |
George W. Bush’s grandfather, the late U.S. Sen. Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany. The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the U.S. National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.
His business dealings, which continued until his company’s assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave laborers at Auschwitz and to a hum of preelection controversy. The evidence has also prompted one former U.S. Nazi-war-crimes prosecutor to argue that the late senator’s action should have been grounds for prosecution for giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
No myth here…one thing about the Bush family….they sure know how to profit from war. See Sam Bush, Prescott Bush, George HW Bush, GW Bush
If you’re about this, I wonder what else you’re wrong about? Bwahahahahaha
August 29th, 2005 at 7:22 pm#4
August 29th, 2005 at 8:05 pmI am going to Washington on 9/24 — Do you think the Secret Serice would mind if I spray painted “terrist” on the White House? or “war monger?”
That act was vigilante mentality- the shoot first and ask questions later mentality of GWB.
This falls into a category similar to the morons who pulled up crosses for dead soldiers in Crawford, Texas because the peace movement people irritate them.
August 29th, 2005 at 8:08 pm#58, dumbya has personal family experience in labeling people, they believe we should all wear patches so we are easily identified.
#98 - GREAT JOB, I have been spreading the word on this awful family for 20+ years! Finally people are finding out what kind of values these NAZI’S have.
Here are facts, not theory, part of the historical record — things we can see with our own eyes and feel with our own hands:
Business as Usual, Redemption
The American Axis: Henry Ford, Charles Lindbergh, and the Rise of the Third Reich
EXCERPT…
If Edsel Ford violated federal laws by continuing to do business with the Nazis after Pearl Harbor, he was not alone. In a small box housed among the U.S. National Archives Trading With the Enemy files sits an explosive series of documents implicating another prominent American family in this serious crime. On October 20, 1942, ten months after the United States entered the Second World War, the U.S. Alien Property Custodian, Leo T Crowley, issued Vesting Order 248 under the Trading With the Enemy Act, seizing all assets of the Union Banking Corporation of New York, which was being operated as a front for “enemy nationals.” According to a federal government investigation, Union Banking was not a bank at all, but a cloak operation, laundering money for Germany’s powerful Thyssen family. The Thyssens were instrumental in financing Hitler’s rise to power and had supplied the Nazi regime with much of the steel it needed to prosecute the war.
One of the partners of the Union Banking Corporation, the man who oversaw all investments on behalf of the Nazi-affiliated owners, happened to be Prescott Bush, grandfather of the American president George W Bush. Through the connections of his father-in-law, Bert Walker (George W’s maternal great-grandfather), who has been described by a U.S. Justice Department investigator as “one of Hitler’s most powerful financial supporters in the United States. Prescott Bush specialized in managing the investments for a number of German companies, many with extensive Nazi ties. These included the North American operations of another Nazi front, the Hamburg-Amerika Line, which was directly linked to a network set up by IG Farben to smuggle agents, money and propaganda for Germany.’° According to a 1934 Congressional investigation, the Hamburg-Amerika line “subsidized a wide range of pro-Nazi propaganda efforts both in Germany and the United States.” Both Walker and Bush were directors of a holding company, the Harriman Fifteen Corporation, that directly financed the line.
Shortly before the government seized the assets of the Union Banking Corporation, in fact, it had also seized American-held assets of the Hamburg-Amerika Line under the Trading With the Enemy Act. A few weeks after the government seized Bush’s shares in Union Banking, it seized the assets of three other Nazi front companies whose investments were handled by Bush-the Holland-American Trading Corporation, the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation, and the Silesian-American Corporation. The paper trail indicated that the bulk of Prescott Bush’s financial empire was being operated on behalf of Nazi Germany.
According to former United States Justice Department Nazi war crimes investigator John Loftus, who has investigated the Bush family’s considerable ties to the Third Reich, Prescott Bush’s investment prowess helped make millions of dollars for various Nazi-front holding companies, and he was well paid for his efforts. “The Bush family fortune that helped put two members of the family in the White House can be traced directly to the Third Reich,” says Loftus, who is currently president of the Florida Holocaust museum.
In his own investigation, Loftus discovered a disturbing trail connecting the Bush family’s money laundering efforts to the Thyssens and their role in building up the Nazi war machine. He believes these connections deserve more scrutiny: “There are six million skeletons in the Thyssen family closet, and a myriad of criminal and historical questions to be answered about the Bush family’s complicity.”
August 29th, 2005 at 8:10 pmWouldn’t you lefties agree, though, that if the guy who owned this house WAS a terrorist, that this spray-paint wouldn’t be a bad thing??
Comment by Michael Derravo
OH PLEEEEZE! How would you feel if we painted MORON on your house?
MATH LESSON: 2 WRONGS DO NOT EQUAL ONE RIGHT!
August 29th, 2005 at 8:26 pmListen, we are in the presence of greatness, people. Nothing Karl Rove has ever cooked up is as brilliant as this simple type of statement.
“Weel if they really HAD WMD, wouldn’t you say attacking Iraq was a good idea?
This is beyond professional cookoo-hood. Let’s just pretend anything we want, then act out any way that we feel is an appropriate response to our pretende situation.
Then, while they are hosing the bllod off of the sidewalk where you just walked up and buried an axe in the head of a 65 year old man with darkish skin…. that’s when you say “But don’t you have to agree that this was a good idea if he had been a psychotic mass murderer?
Absolutely nothing can stop you!!!! You can imagine anything, then …. just in case it actually could be really the case (it is always remotely possible), you take no chances and terminate the threat to national security, with EXTREME violence and bigotry!!!
You never know, that may be a jihad suicide bomber on a mission disguised as your 4 year old sister you just machetied to pieces.
You know, it just might stand up in court. You never can be too careful these days, can you? “If it had of been a jihad impersonating my sister….”
The degree to which some R-Cons and plane old idiots are out of touch with reality and morality is becoming a real life horror story. And they stand there right in front of you and say the same thing over again, even though you just showed them is was wrong. They don’t even understand how utterly and completely froolish they look, being even too stupid to comprehend that others are laughing at their ignorance. They just stand there and bleat even louder, and are proud of it! It is actually pathetic. Let’s terrorize and perhaps kill someone because someone gossiped about them.
I cannot think of a better reason to bring back lobotomies.
Show some common dignity for yourselves, my god, learn how to add one plus one, or whatever. Yikes
August 29th, 2005 at 9:22 pmFoxNews should be extradited to Venezuala along with Pat Robertson. Now that would be justice.
August 29th, 2005 at 9:27 pmFox’s John Loftus got the terrorist’s address wrong. He should of said 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., DC
August 29th, 2005 at 9:46 pmIf people resort to vigilantism, which could of easily have happened, due to Fox News’ broadcasting balls-up. Then again Fox probably would have been there with their cameras to film the public beating of the ‘SUSPECTED TERRORIST’. It would of made Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity’s week.
If people resort to taking the law into their own hands. Then they are no better than the right-wing nut-jobs, who so obviously crawl out from under their rocks to rabble-rouse, the types of people who struggle to think for themselves. And who are so easily led into carrying out such acts of sheer stupidity, and unfortunately sometimes they go beyond the bounds of human decency.
The agitators of the trouble, then disappear into the background, and watch from a distance, as all hell breaks loose. With a knowing smirk on their faces, that they wont be held accountable for any wrongdoings. And then skulk back off under their rocks, from whence they came.
The likes of O’Reilly, Hannity and other right-wing commentators. Are like the old fashioned puritans, all they can do is sit in judgement, of what they see as the ‘evil liberal left’. Burn them, burn them all, they be witches, they be. They be of the Devil, the spawn of Satan.
Think Peter Cushing in the old Hammer Horror films, ‘Twins Of Evil’. That’s Bill O’Reilly all over, sitting in judgement, of the left. Getting the village all riled up. Getting all the local village idiots together, to go and burn down the evil Count’s castle. Or as in this case getting Fox’s village idiots to go and daub graffiti on an innocent victims property. Because Fox News tells their viewers that a ‘terrorist’ lives there. Somebody could have got seriously hurt, all because of bad journalism on behalf of Fox News. Mistakenly giving out an address of a suspected terrorists home.
In Britain this would of never of been allowed to happen. So why in America is this type of thing allowed to happen? Is Fox News untouchable? And do they believe they are above the law of the land, and do not have to adhere to broadcasting standards?
August 29th, 2005 at 10:38 pmaren’t you guys letting CBS off the hook? they reported something that was completely wrong - they modified the truth when they corrected the bad spelling….I usually like CBS, but if they change the facts in this story, what else are they changing?
August 30th, 2005 at 12:28 amI think that Phelps-itis is the modern plague. It attacks the rational center of the brain. It also affects the vocal centers of the brain much the same as the disease that makes people spout obscenities.
dumbya is affected with this and dysliexia and emotional retardation.
Every day I pray that people with power will get good sense and people with good sense will get power. So far since 2000, NO LUCK!
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August 30th, 2005 at 9:56 amWow, whatever happened to treating others as you would like to be treated?
BY THE BY, have any of you (that are saying it’s okay to drive by these peoples home and yell “terroist”), how would YOU like it, if someone again as stupid as Loftus, just announced to everyone - that YOU are a terrorist and you live………. You would be the FIRST one screaming that you’d been wronged!! You’d probably sit out there with your shotgun waiting for them to drive by!
How can you sit there and be so self righteous and act like it’s ok for the press to just pick people out of the phone book and accuse them of something they’re not???
Hello -why do you think there’s so much BS in government now -because people are actually saying “oh that’s okay. they should have known that the people that lived there before were terrorists”.
Okay, how do you pick out a terrorists in the crowd? Do you know for a fact that the person that lived in your house before you wasn’t a terrorist? Well how come? These people should have known (according to some), so how come you don’t know about the prior occupants in your house?????
Get over the blaming of everyone and their brother for creating this attitude or for pulling the wool over our eyes - IF THE WOOL HAS BEEN PULLED OVER OUR EYES, IT’S BECAUSE WE ALLOWED IT TO HAPPEN - continuing to blame the right, the left, the middle, whatever, is what helps this crap continue.
Pointing fingers at every one else for what the problems are,
make you no better than the people that are doing the harm.
While you sit there and point fingers at others because of these problems, nothing gets changed, so thank you for letting all this garbage continue. Don’t break your arm patting yourself on the back.
Loftus apologized - whoopee - he also said “mistakes happen”. Well, so much for making sure to not LET a mistake happen. Loftus and FOX should pay to relocate this family, since due to Loftus & FOX these people cannot live in this home without being in fear of their lives. Oh, by apologizing is all they needed to do???? NOT - it’s called being responsible for your words and your actions - things again that have been lost on quite a bit of our population. Another reason things are the way they are. Another reason that things need to change and can only be changed by us, the American people, making these changes. As long as the American people sit there and do nothing but gripe and point fingers, there’s no reason for anyone in government or in the general population to remember what social mores’ are and how one should conduct themselves in daily life!
August 30th, 2005 at 11:51 amSo turn your finger around and point it at yourself before you point it ay anyone else and accuse them of being the reason things are the way they are.
Emma, good job. Being responsible USED to be the American way. Remember the Golden Rule:
Do unto others as you would have others do unto you.
Not dumbya’s golden rule: the one with all the gold and OIL MAKES THE RULES.
August 30th, 2005 at 12:01 pmMichael Derravo is right when he redefines rational as “bonkers”.
August 30th, 2005 at 12:47 pmSomeone painted “terrist” on my house. But that’s okay, because if I really were a terrorist that would be a good thing to do. So I don’t mind. Death threats and breaking glass are the sounds of FREEDOM.
August 30th, 2005 at 12:58 pmAnd you Dubya Y’all, are one of the reason’s that we’re where we are in this country……guess you’re going to join Mr. Loftus in his comment of “mistakes happen”? We’ll go ahead and add your name to the ongoing list of “mistakes” this country has made. There are those of us that would like to restore our country back to where it was - when we were the richest nation in the world and we treated others with respect (including the people that live in the house next door).
August 30th, 2005 at 1:31 pmI’m not going to call you a leftist, a rightist or any of that BS. Those labels have only encouraged your type of thinking. Bickering about what label to put on someone because of the way they think, shows the total ignorance of the labelmakers grasp on whatever subject is being discussed. Acknowledging and accepting that there could possibly be another way to do something that will have a better outcome for everyone, isn’t something that one can do if all you concentrate on is what label to put on that other person.
Didn’t your mother ever teach you that doing or saying something as a tit for tat, doesn’t get anyone anywhere?
I guess when she was trying to teach you ethics and morals, you were too busy telling her that the reason you failed English was because Mikey was talking to you too much during class???
Tell me, have you actually ever taken responsibility for anything in your life? (Aside from anything that comes your way that only benefits you and aside from anything that you just took because you wanted it, even tho it actually belonged to someone else).
What comes around goes around……..
“Death threats and breaking glass are the sounds of freedom”?
August 30th, 2005 at 1:34 pmYou may want to wander back over to Haight/Ashbury. I think you left part of yourself there………
“Some may say” that Fox News is irresponsible — I will say they are a group of slimey, fake-news (without the comedy)readers, propagandist shills. I will never understand the brain-dead viewers who watch them for the “news”.
August 30th, 2005 at 2:27 pm#107 chicano
August 30th, 2005 at 2:33 pmI think you misunderstand. Read the topic again.
… And when we combine this ‘ incident ‘ , and add the well-educated sign makers attacking Cindy in Crawford , what can you say ? We’ve found the ‘ missing links ‘ in their ‘ Intelligent Design ‘ theory , of course !!! … ;)
August 30th, 2005 at 3:13 pmI’m afraid most of you are missing the point (Innocent Bystander excepted), as liberals so often do. The fact is that these people were not terrorists, so Fox News is entirely culpable. There was no checking out of the “story”. The fact that they even broadcast this “mistake” is appalling, possibly even more appalling than Michael Devarro’s snotty comment. As soon as you start with “If the guy was a terrorist…” you’ve changed the subject and distorted the issue, which is a favorite right-wing method. Another one is to “apologize” afterward so the media lets them off the hook (See Rush Limbaugh, Pat Robertson, et. al.) The point is you can’t broadcast somebody’s address no matter what. There’s just no reason for it. Fox is starting to act like one of those sophomoric morning radio shows.
This is a really egregious breach of ethics, carried out on publicly owned broadcast channels. I think they should be prosecuted for libel too.
August 30th, 2005 at 4:39 pm“hypocracy” might be a misspelling of “hypocrisy,” but it might be the correct spelling for what our government has evolved into with the help and glory of the cable news programs. Democracy has become a hope, hypocracy a very present reality. Power to the peephole.
August 30th, 2005 at 9:46 pmWouldn’t you lefties agree, though, that if the guy who owned this house WAS a terrorist, that this spray-paint wouldn’t be a bad thing??
Comment by Michael Derravo
OH PLEEEEZE! How would you feel if we painted MORON on your house?
MATH LESSON: 2 WRONGS DO NOT EQUAL ONE RIGHT!
August 31st, 2005 at 5:10 amVinilo - how do you come up with your comparison of “what our government has evolved into with the help and glory of the cable news programs”?
August 31st, 2005 at 8:34 pmI get to be included too Mass :-) LOL
August 31st, 2005 at 8:35 pmYa know KJ, I have yet to see a response from Michael Devarro….could it be that he’s actually thinking about his words - AFTER - he said them???? Hmmm, right up there with the rest of the bozo’s like Loftus, Robertson, etc, etc,.
August 31st, 2005 at 8:37 pmThis comes as a shock since I could never imagine someone so anti-Bush as Loftus allying himself with the Fox News Channel. If he didn’t know what he was getting into with that unholy marriage, I don’t know what to say. Maybe the goal was to feed him bad info to read on the air so that he would be discredited and the Bush clan could shut him up. It’s neater than “disappearing” him. Lofuts, ya shoulda known better than that.
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