Ann Coulter to MoveOn: “How About Helping Out?”
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By on Sep 8th, 2005 at 10:34 pm
Ann Coulter to MoveOn: “How About Helping Out?”
Ann Coulter just called out MoveOn on Hannity & Colmes:
MoveOn.com is down protesting outside the White House. How about putting together some evacuee bags? How about actually helping out? Speaking of that, I think I’d like to hear a breakdown at the end of this, how much churches are contributing versus… MoveOn.com?
Last Thursday, as tens of thousands of families found themselves newly homeless, MoveOn launched an emergency national housing drive called HurricaneHousing.org. In just one week, over 235,000 beds have been offered to Katrina victims through the site.
ThinkProgress to Ann Coulter: How about you stop embarassing yourself on live national television?
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Answer: Never!!! What an ass!!
September 8th, 2005 at 10:36 pmShe’s doing what CONservatives always do - say the opposite of the truth - using the corporate media as the tool - and in the process create ‘confusion’ that distracts the miserable excuses for human beings the right wing consists of…
September 8th, 2005 at 10:38 pmGive Ann a break, willya? How would YOU like to go through life with Fred Astaire’s hands?
September 8th, 2005 at 10:38 pmmaybe she should do a little research, she has written 3 or 4 books right? she should know how to research. oh, i’m sorry, she didn’t research for those either.
September 8th, 2005 at 10:41 pmWooooo! Even for HER this is bad.
September 8th, 2005 at 10:48 pmA professional “controversialist” at work.
September 8th, 2005 at 10:48 pmAnd by being a pundit, and sitting in front of a camera, offering up her useless, infantile opinions, how exactly is she helping out?
September 8th, 2005 at 10:48 pmYou’re a little late out of the blocks MOveOnLosers, the ChristoNazis already have them snug in bed with a warm meal in their belly. HOW MANY DAYS DID IT TAKE MOVE ON TO OFFER HELP? HOW MANY DAYS? TELL ME? I THINK THEY HATE BLACKS. HELL, I KNOW THEY HATE BLACKS.
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September 8th, 2005 at 11:00 pmWhat happens if you get a Black Muslim homosexual and you don’t want them near your little boy? Throw him out? Can you say “I’ll sue your ass”? Are there any adults running the show at Move On?
iright,
Thanks for demostrating the level of bigotry, hatred and self servitude that is CONservatism. You’re heartless souless freaks…
As for moveon’s efforts - they were one of the first organizations to do this, and in fact they maneuvered to do this before any right wing groups did. So stop constantly presenting your ignorance and hatred, and crawl back under your rock…
September 8th, 2005 at 11:03 pmThat’s a MAN, baby.
September 8th, 2005 at 11:04 pmLittle known fact: 79% of pledges during PBS pledge drives generate ZERO dollars. That’s how Liberals operate. I bet out of those eight zillion homes they advertise about the same percentage or greater think better of it when the phone rings.
And of course Move On just might be exaggerating the numbers to make themselves seem important and compassionate. Ya think?
September 8th, 2005 at 11:06 pmWhy does this surprise anyone? This is the same ignorant harpy who argued with a Canadian interviewer when he corrected her on the point that, no, Canada did not commit troops in Viet Nam.
September 8th, 2005 at 11:07 pmRyan…I think it’s a great idea, really. I think you idiot Leftists should have some of those “people” in your homes. After all, you made them what they are.
September 8th, 2005 at 11:10 pmIf lovin’ a man-woman is wrong I don’t wanna be right.
September 8th, 2005 at 11:10 pmI-Right-I is Karl Rove on crack… scary and hideous. What the fuc& is he doing in this site anyway?
September 8th, 2005 at 11:14 pmShall we make a list of our favorite trolls to warn the new folks?
NeD
Compassionate Conservative
I-Right-I (I know, he’s kind of new, but gets extra points for stupid vitriol)
Stan
Who am I forgetting?
IWrong,
Thanks for demonstrating why compassion and conservatism can never coexist. First of all, poverty comes from a variety of factors - and your glossing over this demostrates a willful ignorance and why you like bush are no ‘deep thinker’. Second, those poor people were MUCH worse before FDR and Kennedy/Johnson. They used to die of starvation, and disease at an alarming rate - society is more civil now, even if you are not. Third it is CONservatives who have widened the gap of rich and poor and put MILLIONS more into poverty through inept economic mismanagement. Under clinton millions were by contrast raised from poverty. But in true CONservative fashion your party drags down anyone who isn’t rich, white and too stupid to realize that a healthy society and economy is in everyone’s best interest as are social programs.
The fact you are so ignorant of this shows how effect limpbut and other pundits are at brainwashing those who are weak of will and mind…
September 8th, 2005 at 11:19 pmSara darl’n. I’m your favorite troll? No? I’ll try harder then. Nite all. Even trolls need their beauty sleep.
September 8th, 2005 at 11:20 pmSara,
They all post the same stupid diatribe - I think it’s safe to say anyone who posts an opposing opinion on this site tends to be under informed and overly opinionated. It seems to come with the profile of the big mouthed fat headed wanna be internet bully… They’re all as sad as their fat leader rove…
September 8th, 2005 at 11:21 pmIRI’s view of the world:
September 8th, 2005 at 11:21 pmIRI is Lt. Bromhead (Michael Caine) in the movie classic “Zulu” and America’s poor: the Zulus.
I’d like for Coultergeist to tell us how much she’s donated to Katrina aid, and prove it. Then she could tell us how much her cancervative friends–Spawn Insannity, Shrill O’Really, Der Ruschkopf–have donated, and prove it.
September 8th, 2005 at 11:23 pmIWrong,
I don’t doubt you need your beauty sleep - lies must take a lot out of you. For instance your lie about ‘pledge drives’. First of all, those occur at a STATION level, and generally speaking they only take credit cards in real time. Since it’s clear you don’t know what it is or how PBS works, you’re ignorance is merely yet another example of the willingness of the right to lie with authority on anything and everything that they know NOTHING about. To listen to Coulter she’s an expert on everything - and yet I haven’t heard he speak a truth even once! Not even when she was a ‘comedy’ guest on politically incorrect. I see you consistently demostrate this stupidity and ignorance. As for favorite - how could anyone have a favorite troll! You’re all pathetic little delusional whack jobs who’ll never get it. You don’t have the brain power to even process what’s said here, so I have NO hope that any of you will ever be anything but little eichmans…
September 8th, 2005 at 11:24 pmCoulter just confirms that President Bush faces a marketing challenge after Katrina. But unlike 9/11, in New Orleans the color of suffering - and heroism - is black.
“Why There’s No Lisa Beamer of New Orleans”
September 8th, 2005 at 11:24 pmAnn Coulter is merely killing time with her inane utterances, as she awaits her next chance to vote for king. What a screwed up intellectual she is. Freedom is slavery, war is peace, and Americans who disagree with her fiat are traitors. What a power whore! -Kevo
September 8th, 2005 at 11:25 pmKevo,
I think she had a psychotic break - it’s the only thing that would explain your freakish behavior and passion for compulsive lying.
September 8th, 2005 at 11:26 pmsara, lets not forget Liberals Suck and mighty aphrodite. But these dips remind us of who we are and reminds us of what kind of selfish, self-centered, uninformed and easily brainwashed people there are in this life.
September 8th, 2005 at 11:28 pmMoveon will fail to capture the hearts and minds of everyone unhappy with Republicans. In their attempts to be comprehensive they are paradoxically marginal. They had a 100-person protest today? That does not a million man march make…
September 8th, 2005 at 11:28 pmStan,
Is that anything like the 100 person pro-war rally outside the crawford ranch? Lets talk CONservatism when we talk marginal… Only the truly stupid and truly brainwashed are still in your camp. Get the voting machines unrigged and you’ll see exactly how marginal you are…
September 8th, 2005 at 11:37 pmOh and stan, if it’s the protest I read about, it was katrina victims who wanted to protest - moveon is footing the bill.
September 8th, 2005 at 11:39 pmAC: Big feet, big hands, large jaw, giant head. Play it safe, don’take her/him home.
September 8th, 2005 at 11:39 pmAnn’s favourite song: Man, I feel like a woman. Or the line from a Britney Spears song, ‘I’m not a girl, or quite yet a woman.
Can anybody tell me when Ann is going to have his/her Adams apple removed, and complete his/her transformation? That thing creeps me out it’s huge, it moves independently from the rest of Ann’s body
September 8th, 2005 at 11:41 pmThe level of ignorance, bigotry and hatred displayed here by I-Right-I is astonishing. It’s hard to imagine that cretins of that level are still slithering around. I will not reply to baseness; I suggest that he be shunned by all until he leaves to seek other lowlifes for association - perhaps at conservative web logs.
September 8th, 2005 at 11:42 pmAnn Coulter is an aberration of nature, a hateful and vile person. She writes terrible unresearched books. She spews bile when she speaks.
September 8th, 2005 at 11:47 pmShe has made a fool of herself so often that it stirs one’s imagination to consider why she manages to remain employed as — what is she employed as?
Marie,
I posted this on the other thread. These aholes have been ranting about the need for relief works to shoot looters on site.
http://www.nola.com/ newslogs/ breakingtp/ index.ssf?/ mtlogs/ nola_Times-Picayune/ archives/ 2005_09.html#078200
Turns out the relief workers have been looting and some were caught! This is why a policy of violence is just another expression of the bigotry, hatred and racism of the right wing… It never dawned on them I’m sure that their own employees might loot if given the chance, no more than it dawned on them that their white republican soldiers in iraq would still priceless museum artifacts - but that also happened…
September 8th, 2005 at 11:47 pmOOPs typed too fast. I meant to say “would steal priceless museum artifacts”.
September 8th, 2005 at 11:48 pmMan Coulter, like most other right wingers, is a psychopathic, souless slime, incapable of empathy for others. She and other right wingers are different from you and me.
Of course she is a coward too, unwilling to lay her man hands on a gun in her favorite war in Iraq.
September 8th, 2005 at 11:59 pmHey, Stan, #27, like the shot about MoveOn and their 100 man march. Bunch of asses if you ask me and Ann Coulter must agree with you. Hey, do you think being anorexic makes one a bitch or the other way around? I mean, don’t get me wrong, but even us redneck republicans agree she’s one skinny broad.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but MoveOn is still around, still operating, and still making life miserable for rightwingers like me and you. That swiftboat want-a-be bunch sure turned to shit, though. Haven’t heard from them or their supporters since the election. I wonder why Coulter didn’t ask how much $$ or help they have offered. Just between you and me, I did check their site yesterday and all they are still talking about is Kerry. What’s your take on those super-patriots and the “pass” Coulter is giving them?
September 8th, 2005 at 11:59 pmAre we measuring AC? Once measured, a gift is no longer selfless and from the heart.
September 9th, 2005 at 12:00 am***********
Just a talking point tactic by the right. Tired of hearing it.
If you are commenting on Ann the nutjob then you are investigating Bush and his fellow criminals.
Ann is doing her job.
Are we doing our job of prosecuting these criminal in our government?
September 9th, 2005 at 12:14 amAlso on Fox News, Bill “Loofa” O’Reilly is promoting one of those moronic gas boycotts.
“The Factor has been raising questions of our own. We cast a particularly concerned eye on the gas companies, which we believe are profiting greatly in the aftermath of the storm. As one way of dealing, I have proposed that everyone avoid buying gas on Sundays.”
Boycotts that take place on a particular day of the week don’t do anything! People just buy gas the next day. They drive just as much. Businesses don’t see any drop in sales.
Boycotts that last for a couple of weeks or longer work — especially against transporation companies like airlines, restaurants, and tourist destinations –because they can’t ever make up for the lost business.
All of the morons are on Fox News!
September 9th, 2005 at 12:18 amAnn Coulter is right. Regardless of how much moveon.org has done, moveon.com has contributed nothing. Nothing!
She’s so smart. Imagine if all women were like her. No. Really imagine it.
September 9th, 2005 at 12:21 amFritz, I’d like to see O’Really’s viewers stop using gas, I really would. More than I’d like to see O’Really releasing it.
September 9th, 2005 at 12:22 amCorrection on my post: (I missed a word)
If you are commenting on Ann the nutjob then you are
NOT
investigating Bush and his fellow criminals.
Ann is doing her job.
Are we doing our job of prosecuting these criminal in our government?
September 9th, 2005 at 12:31 amShe makes me want to be gay.
September 9th, 2005 at 12:32 amand oh, how about all references are bunk and/or unfounded?
September 9th, 2005 at 12:33 am#34 Ryan Neat,
September 9th, 2005 at 12:37 amThe racism I have observed in the recent past has been very saddening. I recall, as a child, seeing the racial incidents of the late 50’s and 60’s, and feeling “differently” from most of my own friends and family. Whenever I spoke up, I was always outnumbered, but I actually (naively) thought progress had been made in recent decades. What happened really was that the bigots were just not so blatant any more, but their prejudices remained. I’ve always believed racism is a learned trait but I wonder if it might be innate - and something to be “unlearned.” In either case, it is a sad and shameful fact.
#41 Cynical,
September 9th, 2005 at 12:43 amAHA! You caught something most of us missed! She had .com instead of .org. Proves how poorly she researches what she writes. There are dozens of posters here who could put her to shame! And they do it every day!
The Churches vs. Move One? Is Coulter kidding on this comparison? Move On’s organizing record is impressive all on it’s own but one organization does not quite equte “the churches.” How about we add together the effort of all secular efforts, including the 1/2 million so far from that NOLA lesbian Ellen Degeneres fans and on and on.
September 9th, 2005 at 12:43 amQueer Eye was going to do a make over on Ann, but
THE ONLY THING SHE LOOKED GOOD IN WAS A BODYBAG.
I agree!
September 9th, 2005 at 12:57 amDid anyone see the comment by Pat Robertson - he is in the same classification as Coulter - he said that John Roberts will be happy that the flood in New Orleans is a good thing for him.
September 9th, 2005 at 1:04 amThe lunatic really does believe his God is answering his prayers!
Joe Sixpack, You really think Ann is anorexic? I was just thinking that if she lost a little more weight I’d think about dating her. lol. I hear tell that powermongering political whores are great when it comes to generous gratuities. -Kevo
September 9th, 2005 at 1:06 amUh, thanks for the bed…I guess. Where am I supposed to put it since I have no house, no car, no money, no food, no place to stay. I really like the little bed with no sheets, though. Maybe I’ll use it as a boat to get the hell out of this place. Maybe I’ll float down the highway to Baton Rouge where all of the Red Cross stuff is since the governor won’t let the shit in. Thanks again Moveon, that makes my day. Now where can I get the benjeez?
September 9th, 2005 at 1:25 amToo bad Alan Colmes’ brain wasn’t loaded and cocked with the information about MoveOn.org’s work.
September 9th, 2005 at 1:37 amGreat posts every one on the left. Think you missed the main problem with Ann though besides being loyal to G.W, she’s dumb and blond. Forgive me blond’s. Can you add any other names to the shun list for me, I’m still learning..Any one see the list from Charlie I asked for.? LOL……Blessings….Do they hate us because we are smart.?
September 9th, 2005 at 1:52 amFancy waking up next to THAT!!!!
September 9th, 2005 at 2:30 amRepublicanPretendingToBeSurvivor,
First of all only stupid white men call them refugees like some 3rd world person - they are ’survivors’, not refugees.
September 9th, 2005 at 2:32 amSecond of all a ‘bed’, means some place to go/sleep, it doesn’t mean a mattress.
Third - get a clue, and wake up you stupid right wing yahoo!
Personally I can’t take seriously anyone who says the US should invade the countries of the Middle East and convert their leaders to Christianity. Firstly, as we’ve seen from the “values” oriented regimes in the US (and here in Australia), “Christian” leaders seem just as bloodthirsty as Muslim dictators and secondly, most Arabs and Muslims don’t accept the US-backed regimes, secular or otherwise, there in the first place. I think everything that comes from Ms. Coulter’s mouth is satire. Poor humour, I know, but a complete joke all the same.
September 9th, 2005 at 3:10 amI once saw Ann Coulter in person during the taping of a Bill Maher Show.
Standing in line with 3 or 4 of her books; just dying to get to Ann, was this complete 6′ tall geek who had brought his mommy and daddy with him.
That enduring picture that still rests fresh in my mind tells me exactly the type of freek that follows Ann Coulter.
September 9th, 2005 at 3:15 amtiger, you forgot to mention that he was a repressed homo.
And that his parents and church thought they could “fix him”
Pity his object of attraction was a he-she.
September 9th, 2005 at 3:53 amIf God answers prayers…..the WH and Dumbya, cheeney and the bunch (robertson included) would turn into a pillar of salt.
TRUST ME.
September 9th, 2005 at 3:55 amWould it not be ironic if this “act of God” called Katrina turned out to bring down the political party who calls itself “God’s Party?”.
As for Ann Coulter…wasn’t she in that movie The Island of Dr. Moreau? She played herself, I believe.
September 9th, 2005 at 5:06 amI believe that you are all being too hard on AC. My heart hurts for her. Can’t you see the pain she is in with the burden she is carrying? She is a neo con who believes totally in the party line. I don’t know her personally but from what I’ve seen this woman is devoted to her cause of high “Christian” moral values. Think what this truly means. It means she has never been able to have sex because she has never married. She does not get physical loving contact on a daily basis. And quite frankly it shows. Sex is food and if you don’t eat you starve and as you starve you go insane. I actually think that we have seen a fine example of that in the New Orleans convention center but I digress. Back to poor Ann. AC is sexually starving to death becuase she does not engage in sex premarital or otherwise. And for a while it worked from her being the number one CT of the Neo Cons but now, sadly, she is beginning to melt in front of us like all bad witches do in the end. And now on a totally self centered note: please light a candle and tell Ophelia to go out to sea. Thanks.
September 9th, 2005 at 5:37 amIt shouldn’t matter that Coulter’s a transvestite.
He has opinions and the right to voice them and to live freely just like everyone else. And he has the right to dress up like a woman and slander public figures with made up facts if he wants to.
People who don’t like Coulter are just jealous that he says what he wants, when he wants, where he wants and how he wants. Coulter’s got balls dammit!
September 9th, 2005 at 5:44 amdid Coulter wrestle Hannity and Combs in the green room before they went on air?
September 9th, 2005 at 6:37 amYou pathetic loser democrat moonbats! You pussies will bitch and moan about anything just to promote your political agenda.
Why don’t you sissies all move to Canada and commune with nature there?
September 9th, 2005 at 6:58 amJohn (#65). Just reading between the lines, I take it you don’t like democrats? Me neither, being a rightwing redneck and all. And I too don’t like “sissies” and “pussies” as you call them, either.
But correct me if I’m wrong, but during the Vietnam War weren’t Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz all pussies? I mean, avoiding the draft and all. And that Limbaugh, him and his deferment for having that cyst on his ass—that’s too much. Now they all try to pretend to be real he-men but you and I know better, huh? I’m curious, though, about Karl Rove. Isn’t he about the biggest wuss you have ever seen or what? Just looking at him you know that guy squats to pee for sure. I agree with you and wish all these pussy bastards would help out the country and go to Canada.
September 9th, 2005 at 8:01 amAnn Coulter has nothing better to do now. She was fired by the newspaper she was working for because she had a big mouth. She should go to New Orleans to help the people down there. She is a right wing arrogant bitch.
John You shoud join the military and go to Iraq. The democrats will win congress next year and you can cry in your beer.
September 9th, 2005 at 8:26 amI guess it’s true that your brain will start to eat itself if you starve yourself too long. Poor, errrr, lady! If she had any friends, she’d know that her stringy hair, bad skin and scattered teeth are all Mother Nature’s gifts to Anas!!!
September 9th, 2005 at 8:50 amNotice: I’m recruiting trolls. Iright, LA survivor person, etc. etc. etc. Drop me a line at thewitchnextdoor@gmail.com. If we have an interesting enough conversation/debate/smackdown, I might post it on The Last Midnight. The last guy I had was so fun he got two posts…
September 9th, 2005 at 8:53 amI posted this on the other thread. These aholes have been ranting about the need for relief works to shoot looters on site.
~Ryan Neato
“Three Texas truck drivers under contract with the federal government to bring in storm relief supplies for Plaquemines Parish have been arrested for allegedly looting toys, dolls, women’s lingerie and other merchandise from a Belle Chasse Family Dollar store, authorities said.
Booked late Wednesday night with one count each of looting were Gerald W. Thomas, 47, of Tyler, Texas; Thomas Sherman, 39, also of Tyler; and Lasharon Lemons, 36, of Dallas, said Major John Marie with the Plaquemines Parish Sheriff’s Office.”
Nice catch Ryan. I’ll bet those are the first black guys to get arrested for looting. Damn shame they had to be from Texas though.
September 9th, 2005 at 9:20 amThese truck drivers are minions of Mike Brown. I’m sure they won’t be shot; they’ll be promoted.
September 9th, 2005 at 9:38 amSimply ignore the trolls they will quit whining for lack of attention; pull up their pants and go home.
September 9th, 2005 at 10:11 amJeb Bush in ‘08!
September 9th, 2005 at 10:14 amCoulter rocks!!! She was the one who unearthed the cause of Cleland’s disability. That angered liberals because they can’t handle the truth.
She will continue to OUT liberals for the America haters they are.
September 9th, 2005 at 10:21 amShe outed you for being a coward Ned, how do you feel?
September 9th, 2005 at 10:30 amhttp://mediamatters.org/items/200508260002
Case closed on NeD. He likes to be around people who hate him. That is why he is here. Folks, it doesn’t get any more textbook than that. Poor sad little boy.
September 9th, 2005 at 10:42 amAnn Coulter, you ass kissing ignorant slut…
September 9th, 2005 at 10:52 amI bet moveon.com protested when Canada entered the Vietnam war, too!
September 9th, 2005 at 10:53 amAm I the first to notice the term “evacuee bags”. So, now she wants the living to be bagged and removed. Sheesh, what a maroon!
September 9th, 2005 at 11:12 amSomehow, I think that leaving thousands in New Orleans without food or water for days signals more of a hatred of America than a disability.
September 9th, 2005 at 11:12 amMaybe that’s just me.
#17
You are forgetting:
Lyle
September 9th, 2005 at 11:18 amBlue State Red
Alexxa
Red
Osama Bin Coulter–
September 9th, 2005 at 12:18 pmI think she has just as much hate as the guy this administration can’t find.
While this dumb bitch criticizes MoveOn
for protesting outside the white house,
there is a request from the bush administration
to increase funding in Iraq. How about that funding be requested for the hurricane victims? why didnt she ask that?
MoveOn.org was one of the first to act in this crisis..before the ‘president’. i’ve never thought i’d see a puppet pull its own strings. first time for everything.
September 9th, 2005 at 12:20 pm#79 right ! (wonder if anyone knows why we find that funny? )
September 9th, 2005 at 12:45 pmAnn Coulter…wasn’t she the cum-runner for “The Big Easy” and Linda huge-azz-Tripp?
I bet the DNA on the blue dress was his/hers…..zippers in the front, zippers in the back…coulter keeps confusing me.
Daddy, daddy, what is a draq queen? - Shut up and unhook my bra.
September 9th, 2005 at 12:49 pm… You nailed it , Theresa !!! Cold-Coulter is what I call a ” Triple B ” neocon : - ” Bitter , Barren , & Bitchy ” ! I’m glad Maher hasn’t had her anorexic ass on his show this season !!! … :)
September 9th, 2005 at 1:27 pmNED and I-Right-I,
You continue to equate “political dissent” as “hating America.” Why is that?
Political dissent is an extremely healthy thing, it promotes thought and change. It is one of the founding principles as to why we have freedom of speech, which is one of the only things that are actually good about this nation.
We have a lot of freedoms that few others have, but we’ve allowed our own system to create “patriotic robots;” people who believe that everything about this country and its history is great, without question. When in reality it’s no better and sometimes worse then others.
There is no such thing as patriotism, people. We are not all brothers/sisters; we are not friends or even acquaintances. We do not all have the same values/principles/morals, and we shouldn’t expect each other to. The only thing that defines America, in my opinion, is that everyone has the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as long as you don’t impede on others rights to the same. If you want to be a Nazi, that’s fine. If you want to be a tree hugger, then great. If you want to do nothing with your life, cool. As long as you are who you want to be, and people don’t impede on each others right to be who we choose to be, then whatever you want to be is fine, within the limits of the laws that are written around these same principles.
It’s time for you two grow up. NED, you are 28 or 29 years old and you need to begin to accept people for who they are and choose to be. Because “we†all have value.
September 9th, 2005 at 2:11 pmMarie sure had it right on racism - it is a dirty little secret that is stuck under the rug. Problem is, most squishy, “soft hand” Dems LOVE keeping people poor - especially people of color - that’s how they keep them in line and on the bandwagon at the same time! They love to throw tidbits (not to mention cigarettes and donuts) to get them to the polls. But if they are “fortunate” enough to get out of the projects - they might not need the “Progressives”. For warm, fuzzy liberals, compassion may be the “talking point” but it’s all about POWER. That has led to a huge increse in the “poverty pimp” industry For all of the $$$$ we’ve spent on LBJ’s War on Poverty - we sure haven’t achieved much, have we?
The largest contributor to black and white poverty is the moral relativism that has ENCOURAGED the increase in illegitimacy. Look at the increase in black and white illegitimacy since 1960. (Blacks: 6% to 65%, whites: 4% to 35%) But if people are poor and locked in the economic basement - they depend on those who “CARE”.
September 9th, 2005 at 2:41 pmAnn Coulter: Duck, Dodge, and Twist.
It is a general rule for the conservative media machine to dodge and twist political talking points when one of it’s own screws up something major. And since the beginning of George W. Bush’s administration, they have had a lot…
September 9th, 2005 at 2:50 pmM A is a twisted soul.
September 9th, 2005 at 3:00 pm#89 I neglected to tell you that I am the little petunia in the onion patch - as many of my friends and family are rethuglicans, and from there is where I draw my views on racism. I am surrounded by red but I take great comfort in knowing there are millions of blues out there.
September 9th, 2005 at 3:13 pm#71
No need to conceal your bigotry and racism, huh?
September 9th, 2005 at 3:41 pm#89
Your opinions are baseless, your facts are unsound. A little discretion, please. Do you even have a methodology of reasoning? Or has your whole life just been shat out?
September 9th, 2005 at 3:46 pmI suppose I was the only one who noticed the recent perversion of Fox News political agenda.
Despite American citizens still dying in New Orleans, awaiting rescue, Foxnews.com updated their headline: “Returning to Ruins.”
September 9th, 2005 at 3:51 pmIn just one week, over 235,000 beds have been offered?
Maybe MoveOn should limit themselves to volunteer work from now on and eschew the politics of personal destruction. They appear to be better at getting people into beds than getting people into office.
September 9th, 2005 at 4:10 pmMs. Coulter, aside from her undeniable talent for eristical travesty, has managed to make “prostitution” a synonym for “Constitution.” We should give her the credit which is her due.
September 9th, 2005 at 4:21 pmMarie - stop personalizing everything - I didn’t say you were illegitimate! Unfortunately, you fail to refute the illegitimacy numbers now or 45 years ago - when you were but a mere slip of a girl. Dems love to keep people poor!!
September 9th, 2005 at 4:36 pm#94 - Your refutation is hollow - are you a professor? I could swear you sound just like the moron who taught “Communications” at my Alma Mater. You may wish to address:
September 9th, 2005 at 4:45 pmpoor constituency? Dems or Repubs?
marriage stats in 1960 for blacks & whites?
marriage stats in 2000 for blacks and whites -
rates of illegitimacy for both groups?
MightAsshole,
Is that why poverty dropped under clinton, but rose under reagan and both bushes? You’re an idiot and a propagandist. A report out last week showed poverty continues to increase under bush.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/092703J.shtml
The biggest myth that republican idiots like you live under is the myth that republicans are good for anything especially the economy. Every republican president except one has had a recession during their term - even republicans who followed OTHER republicans. Whereas EVERY major economic boom in american history has been under a democratic president, even ones that followed other democrats.
Get a clue - you’re spreading stupid and easily debunked lies…
September 9th, 2005 at 5:08 pmAs for poverty and birth rates, shall we add in the illegitimate births among christians? After all in Matthew, christ said that divorce was illegal, and that second marriages were illegitimate. This means that all of those good christians by christian standards born in second/third marriages are also illegitimate.
The problem with socially oriented statistics like yours that judges the ‘moral’ value of a particular contract are always based on a religious or social norm. If you say that a common law child isn’t a marriage because the bible tells you so - then that same bible tells you that a second and third marriage can’t exist. So once again - an ignorant christian shows they’ve been braiwashed by idiot morallists who don’t even follow their own guidelines, and yet place great judgements on others for not following them. You’re a hypocritical moron!
September 9th, 2005 at 5:12 pmRyan, you can sure shut up the squawking trolls. After a few facts thrown their way that they don’t have a talking point for, they turn tail and, well, hide. They listen to Ann and Rush, they suck up every word and regurgitate it verbatim. Not because it’s true, because they want it to be true. They use revisionist history.
September 9th, 2005 at 5:44 pmI have only seen thihs man-whore on TV one time, and that was disgusting enough for me.
She was on the old Cross-Fire program on the Con side and sitting in the seat closest to the audience. She had with her legs spread, as though her cojones were bothering her, and had on a full skirted dress.
Each time the camera came to her she spread her legs a little more, and pulled up the dress a little bit more.
Wonder what she was trying to prove?
September 9th, 2005 at 6:26 pmRyan Meek, Yes,poverty dipped with Clinton - it’s called a business cycle - it’s getting slackers off of welfare and encouraging them to work (a notion fought by progressives!!) But since Progressives never saw a tax they didn’t love, they were thoughtful enough to start taxing the Social Security benefits of all the old people they are soooooo concerned about! You still fail to equate black or white poverty with illegitimacy - the numbers show two parent households are more economically stable.
September 9th, 2005 at 7:13 pm##101 Not being a Christian, I’ll leave the Bible-thumping to you….
September 9th, 2005 at 7:16 pmTake a cold shower, Pablo.
September 9th, 2005 at 7:17 pm“Ryan Meek, Yes,poverty dipped with Clinton - it’s called a business cycle”
Isn’t it a coincidence that these business cycle dips ALWAYS coincide with republicans - and so do poverty increases? You say democrats do nothing for poverty, and yet it decreases under democratic presidents, and increases under republican presidents.
“But since Progressives never saw a tax they didn’t love”
Not true, I think taxing the poor is ridiculous. Taxing the wealthy and larger corporations has a direct correlation with economic stimulus - whereas it has a negative consequence when you increase taxes on the poor.
September 9th, 2005 at 7:25 pm“Not being a Christian, I’ll leave the Bible-thumping to you….”
Why do you assume I’m a christian? I’m more of a hindu than a christian - it’s a better constructed religious system. I just happen to educate myself on topics I discuss - unlike CONservatives.
September 9th, 2005 at 7:26 pmaphrodummy,
Why are you here? You aren’t adding anything to the conversation - these mantra lies of yours have long been dispelled on this site. Go back to free republic echo chamber of idiocy and ignorance - you don’t belong here.
September 9th, 2005 at 7:27 pmBut Ryan, you’re having so much fun sucking your socks - that’s why I come to this site. Thank Gaia, you’re not an evil Christian!!! I knew nobody who quoted the Bible that much out of context could be for real!!! Speaking of helping out the poor downtrodden examples of a fine welfare state in NOLA, where has that fine aquatic specimen, Sen. Ted “the moral GIANT” Kennedy been seen lately?
September 9th, 2005 at 8:45 pm“The problem with socially oriented statistics like yours that judges the ‘moral’ value of a particular contract are always based on a religious or social norm.”
Neato…You… f’ing… idiot. Social norms are the foundation of a society and the success of that society is directly related to the degree the majority adheres to those norms. That’s why you’re a f’ing loser and everyone you know that went down the traditional path isn’t broke, stupid and regurgitating failed Marxist sophisms on a hacked Play Station II.
I’d be willing to bet your last year’s welfare checks that nobody here but me and the Goddess makes more than minimum wage. That’s why you’re so hateful. You resent anyone who has more than a couple of nickels to rub together.
September 9th, 2005 at 9:49 pm“But Ryan, you’re having so much fun sucking your socks - that’s why I come to this site.”
Those aren’t my socks…
” Thank Gaia, you’re not an evil Christian!!! ”
I’m more of one than you are…
“I knew nobody who quoted the Bible that much out of context could be for real!!!”
Out of context? I attended a seminary - I know more about the bible than you could comprehend… I didn’t say I was opposed to christianity, just i think hinduism is better. I’m quite well schooled in christianity, gnosticism, buddhims, hinduism and a variety of religions - what’s your excuse for your utter ignorance of anything religious? At least I KNOW what I criticize…
“Speaking of helping out the poor downtrodden examples of a fine welfare state in NOLA, where has that fine aquatic specimen, Sen. Ted “the moral GIANT†Kennedy been seen lately?”
Ah, I see you’re of the unimaginative CONservative type. Everytime one of your own is shown to be stupid and incompetent you bring up Kennedy.. Figures you’d be as inept as your predecesors… They’ve already brought this game and been shown to fools, don’t you have anything more original and intelligible? Of course not, you’re a CONservative, thereby stupid and unoriginal by birthright..
September 9th, 2005 at 9:58 pmi have to say, i think the name of this site should be changed from “think progress” to “think my way- or else you’re uninformed and stupid, aka conservative”.
seriously folks, everyone is entitled to their opinions. just b/c someone doesn’t agree with you doesn’t mean you need to go calling them ignorant and backwater primitives. both conservatives and liberals have enough info and research to discredit the other, and that’s the beauty of america.
September 9th, 2005 at 10:11 pmAlexandra,
That’s not true. Liberals have facts that are peer reviewed and detailed. The problem is that conservatives produce ‘creationism and intelligent design’ that is neither science nor peer reviewed nor factual and they present it as truth. You can have your own opinions, but NOT your own facts. Facts are facts, and when they are ‘misrepresented’ as is all too often from the right, they are in fact scum. Those that choose to present this misinformation as fact are ignorant. You may feel they have the right to their ignorance, but it is in fact ignorance.
For instance, the ‘facts’ presented from the right from the swiftboat guys was discredited by their own reports, the military records, and even by the vietcong involved. They didn’t present facts, they presented lies and fabrications to slander someone. This has become the operating agenda of the right wing, and you’ve unfortunately fallen into their trap of deceipt and sadly believe their lies are truth…
Can you give me ONE example where the ‘facts’ of both conservatives and liberals are true? Or were you just assuming this was true?
September 9th, 2005 at 10:39 pmalright, and now that i’ve read all of this thread, i commence to comment.
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i think you’re both incorrect. ryan didn’t quote the bible out of context, second marriages are considered ‘illegitimate’ UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES. if you look closely, you’ll see that it was a custom for men to marry their brother’s widow, and that was considered the norm. also, the only time you should divorce is when either party has committed adultery and refuses to repent.
secondly, i think i’m just going to let y’all know that i am a coming-out republican. i was raised in a conservative home, but now i am constructing my own views, based on what my parents taught me and what i have observed in my, as of now, rather short life. a lot of what i’ve seen here is very degrading to both sides. the dems don’t seem to have much to say besides pointing out that the repubs are dodging the issue, and also slamming the republican party in general with their own personal opinions and completely slandering individual names. like i said in my first post, this is the beauty of america. as for the repubs, they don’t seem to have anything to say except pointing out the flaws in the dem strategy, as well as coming on too harsh and judgemental.
both sides have had absolutely inane comments made by people who obviously have only the secondary facts and hearsay knowledge. both sides also engage in name-calling to divert attention from the real issue, which only creates more bad feelings overall.
so is it going to be resolved here? no.
September 9th, 2005 at 10:39 pmAh Alexandra, you dear thing, make a distinction between having an opinion and having a right to express one. We all have them because our mommas and poppas and kids up the road passed them on to us, so we can act like echo chambers, but that kind of opinion (unexamined belief)has nothing to do with knowing anything on the subject. Now we accord the right to an opinion to people who have been there and done that, you know, like experts, carpenters, electricians, furniture craftmen, judges, athletes, jazz musicians, but they and others with experience and knowledge do have the right to their opinions. We ask, they tell. All most of us do in these shouting matches is shout, except for the odd thinker who knows whereof he or she speaks. Please don’t think I want you over there to shut up. Hell no, these screeches and animadversions by these half-witted loyalists to they-know-not-what beats Doonesbury by a mile. Screech on, boys and girls. And please notice that I have not fallen back on scatological allusions to perk up my stuff here, tho I do own up to condescending mockery and lots of other things that I could mention.
September 9th, 2005 at 10:41 pmlike i said, ryan, i’m forming my own opinions right now, so i don’t really have a ton of examples to hand out to you. yes, i have been influenced by my parents and the environment i was raised in, but is that any reason to tell me that i am deluded? absolutely not. i’ve heard so many people, especially those who consider themselves liberal, say this, “that may be true for you, but not for me.”
this de-objectifies(?) truth. whatever you think is true, is. there’s no set standard. so, who’s standard are you asking for when you ask me about ‘facts’? somebody had to record them, and that somebody is always going to be biased to one side or the other.
having been raised on the right, i look to their facts, but i try to also be open to the left facts.
September 9th, 2005 at 10:45 pmWhat most people don’t know is that MoveOn / Center for American Progress / This “blog” are financed by George Soros, the highly megafucking rich market speculator
September 9th, 2005 at 11:23 pmThe same type that are driving up the price of oil
Just how “progressive” is this site?
Answer: Not very
“i think you’re both incorrect. ryan didn’t quote the bible out of context, second marriages are considered ‘illegitimate’ UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES. if you look closely, you’ll see that it was a custom for men to marry their brother’s widow, and that was considered the norm.”
alexandra,
I’m sorry you’re recovering from all of the brainwashing. I didn’t misquote the bible, see below. Christ EXPLICITLY forbids divorce except for adultery, and even that circumstance remarriage is illegal.
Matthew 5:31-32: No divorce, except for fornication: “It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement. But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.”
The problem with most christians, is that only ‘know’ the parts of the bible put forth by their typically hate filled, and overly agenda driven pastors and bishops… Very few christians I’ve met actually know anything about the bible… Yet the can always find a way to dig up a homophobic quote, despite the fact that they’re virtually nonexistent.
September 10th, 2005 at 12:02 am#99 seems to be putting that word of the day toilet paper to good use.
September 10th, 2005 at 12:31 amWhat has this country come to? Look at this thread. It is absolutely pathetic. Hatred, female body images, homophobia, anger anger anger, nonsensical religous arguments, people arguing across each other, no one talking. Where is civility? reason? calm? any sense that we will, someday, get along? The haters seem to assume we will always hate each other. It makes me sad. Don’t indulge in the guilty pleasure of hating each other. Although it’s fun to come up with the perfect zinger, try just responding to the post. What would happen if we weren’t allowed to use the terms “liberal” or “conservative”?
September 10th, 2005 at 3:07 amVitrol,
I don’t hate, I’m unwilling to accept lies as truth, and I’m unwilling to let a pathetic propagandist worm spread lies as truth. Wake up and smell the coffee. You live in a fascist dictatorship, and you’re too wimpy and foolish to realize it! Get a grip! If we ever have a chance for a democracy, people you like you need to get a clue!
September 10th, 2005 at 3:59 amWhenever I have a bad day at work I love to come to this site and read the hilarious comments. I always laugh so hard at you guys that I forget how tired I am. Kinda like watching one of those daytime talk shows with the unbelievably dumb people. Thanks for the daily humor and please don’t ever try to be serious. It would spoil the place!
September 10th, 2005 at 4:03 amRyan, we all have tried to be civil. Sometimes you have to speak in terms your audience will understand.
I.E.: Mr. Cheeney go fu****k yourself.
You simply can not speak kindly to a repugnican. They don’t undersand it.
I true, real republican warrants my respect. Bigots, and hate mongers, war mongers, and chickenhawks that claim to be a true republican are in fact REPUGnican.
So, I speak to them in terms they understand….go fu***k yourself… (cheeney understands this concept)
I CAN NOT FIX STUPID.
and ref, those that CAN play the game do, those that can’t ref.
September 10th, 2005 at 4:16 amFurther ref, your comment confirms to me that you are a TV watching Jerry Springer watching, bill o-lie-lly ill-informed, closed minded person.
How do you feel about blacks voting? Gay Marriage, Abortion…..
I THOUGHT SO.
case closed.
MINDS ONLY WORK PROPERLY WHEN OPEN, MUCH LIKE PARACHUTES.
September 10th, 2005 at 4:18 amVitrol,
Did it ever dawn on you that maybe we had ‘tried’ to be reasonable to right wingers, and that they don’t listen? I’m always interested in facts, information and persuasion - but that’s not what they come here and offer. They offer propaganda and lies that I KNOW are lies… You may not know they are, but I’ll be happy to supply you with the research notes if you’re too busy to do the work yourself…
And TheRef, did you have a point? Your posting was a bit lyrical and pointless…
September 10th, 2005 at 4:23 amKJ,
I think the ref is implying he finds dead people funny. Something I would expect from a pyschotic right wing fascist. I’m sure nazi soldiers thought the ovens were funny too… It takes all kinds they say, but some kinds clearly belong in the looney bin…
September 10th, 2005 at 4:25 amI’ll take my stand with Ref’s intent and angle of vision. (I would revise “serious” to read “thoughtful,” tho.) None of us are running for office, but all of us like playing this game of gotcha stupid. So let us gather together from time to time to engage in vituperation and denigration and righteous indignation and exasperation so that each of us might amuse and rile as best we can. Mayhap we can vote awards for funniest, nastiest, cutest, and most disgusting. Play on boys and girls, the game’s afoot. Whoo hoo and ride ‘em, cowpersons. (Any chance we could agree that “your,” “you’re,” and “yore” say different things. (Excuse the foolish optimism)
September 10th, 2005 at 11:36 amRepunican rallies must be the ones supplying that word of the day toilet paper.
September 10th, 2005 at 11:44 amGreat stuff! I say I find many, okay most, of the comments here funny and get called “a TV watching Jerry Springer watching, bill o-lie-lly ill-informed, closed minded person”, and “implying he finds dead people funny. Something I would expect from a pyschotic right wing fascist”. Are you really so rabid you can’t see how funny and over the top those comments are? Especially since you haven’t the first clue who I am or what I believe. You just assume that I must be crazy because I don’t spew hate at whoever you hate. In fact, I sometimes agree with your underlying view but find your presentation, shall we say, childish. Ryan - I didn’t realize the post was “lyrical” but the point was you guys needs to calm down and stop trying to come up with even more ridiculous name calling if you want adults to take you seriously. Sounds more like a school yard in here and I do find that funny.
September 10th, 2005 at 2:22 pmOops, sorry KJ but since you asked. I think not only should all citizens of any sex, race, religion, color, etc be allowed to vote. They have a responsibility to vote. I’m not interested in the political opinion of anyone who didn’t vote. I’m against gay marriage although I’m open to changing some of the inequities like visitation for sick partners, etc. I’m for abortion being legal but believe minors should have to get consent from their parent/guardian. They are minors after all. By the way, thanks for asking even if you didn’t seriously want my opinion. Or anyone elses for that matter.
September 10th, 2005 at 2:33 pm[…] (via thinkprogress.org) […]
September 10th, 2005 at 6:51 pmRef, I know all too well WHAT YOU ARE, and what your opinion is. I do not agree with you. Your mind is CLOSED and simply can not be OPENED. You have already made up your mind on ALL the issues in the world, and NO AMOUNT OF REASON will change that.
You opinions on people in this post is of NO IMPORTANCE to anyone here.
If you choose to stay here, post your opinions of the issues.
AND IF WE CARE FOR ANY MORE INFORMATION, as to the educational or social background of anyone in here, WE’LL JUST ASK YOU.
I doubt very seriously that you care anything about people of all colors voting. I gather by your closed minded approach to life that you are a bigot. Your last post drives that point home.
You offered a few sane comments before diving off in to you NAZI diatribe. YOU SIR ARE TYPICAL. It is sad to say, but typical.
Go with God… Oh, I’m sorry it appears you don’t know him.
September 10th, 2005 at 9:27 pmBy the way, ref what did Pat Robertson have to say today while you watched? Any more calls for murder?
September 10th, 2005 at 9:30 pmKJ you are entertaining at least. “Ref, I know all too well WHAT YOU ARE, and what your opinion is. I do not agree with you.” I have no problem with you disagreeing with me. People disagree about lots of things every day and usually do it in a civil manner. It would appear you are the intolerant one here.
September 10th, 2005 at 10:29 pmYou only know my opinions on voting, gay marriage and abortion. That’s because I just told you. I care about yours and others opinions if offered calmly. I find it hilarious you have decided that I am a bigot based apparently on my opinion that all citizens have a right and an obligation to vote. You go on to accuse me of “NAZI diatribe”. Perhaps because I find your liberal use of caps lock funny. I gather you also consider “Your mind is CLOSED and simply can not be OPENED. You have already made up your mind on ALL the issues in the world, and NO AMOUNT OF REASON will change that” because I think abortion should be legal. That leaves gay marriage of my stated opinions where I’m guessing we differ. Since every single state that has held a vote on the issue has overwhelmingly agreed with me I’d say that puts me firmly in the mainstream. By definition that is not extreme. To address the “Go with God… Oh, I’m sorry it appears you don’t know him” comment I’ll just say that since I have so far not mentioned religion in any way that once again you have no idea whether I know him or not and are simply spraying spittle. As far as Pat Robertson is concerned, right wing yahoos are just as offensive to most people as left wing yahoos are. I guess he just couldn’t stand having the far left get all the attention for stupidity and had to say something stupid himself to get the spotlight. I await another of your soundly reasoned, fact based replies, or at least the first one….
ok wait. kj, you basically just called Red a close-minded bigoted rascist, after he clearly pointed out his opinions and ideas. i find that difficult to reconcile with the open-minded pro-ethnicity persona you obviously wish to project.
why doubt him? do you know him? if you do, ok, but if you don’t, then you’re the one being typical. typical in that anyone who doesn’t agree with you and hate who you hate is “close-minded”.
and ryan, you’re right, re-marriage is expressly forbidden to divorcees. but not, if my memory serves me correctly, widows and widowers. i don’t want to argue, i just want to point out that all second-marriage kids aren’t “illegitimate”. personally, i think it’s all a bunch of bull. i’ve never heard that argument in my circles.
and could you supply me with the reasearch notes that prove the false propagandist claims of the right? that would be very enlightening for me.
September 10th, 2005 at 10:33 pmSorry for another consecutive posting but I forgot to address the “AND IF WE CARE FOR ANY MORE INFORMATION, as to the educational or social background of anyone in here, WE’LL JUST ASK YOU” bit. Thanks but I offered an opinion on their ability to perform rational thought and offer it coherently, not their educational or social background. I think that disparity is very revealing, don’t you?
September 10th, 2005 at 10:34 pmNED and I-Right-I,
You continue to equate “political dissent†as “hating America.†Why is that?
Political dissent is an extremely healthy thing, it promotes thought and change. It is one of the founding principles as to why we have freedom of speech, which is one of the only things that are actually good about this nation.
We have a lot of freedoms that few others have, but we’ve allowed our own system to create “patriotic robots;†people who believe that everything about this country and its history is great, without question. When in reality it’s no better and sometimes worse then others.
There is no such thing as patriotism, people. We are not all brothers/sisters; we are not friends or even acquaintances. We do not all have the same values/principles/morals, and we shouldn’t expect each other to. The only thing that defines America, in my opinion, is that everyone has the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as long as you don’t impede on others rights to the same. If you want to be a Nazi, that’s fine. If you want to be a tree hugger, then great. If you want to do nothing with your life, cool. As long as you are who you want to be, and people don’t impede on each others right to be who we choose to be, then whatever you want to be is fine, within the limits of the laws that are written around these same principles.
It’s time for you two grow up. NED, you are 28 or 29 years old and you need to begin to accept people for who they are and choose to be. Because “we†all have value.
Comment by Elvis — September 9, 2005 @ 2:
There’s too much here to address Elvis but let me just say this, McCarthy was right. Now all you’ve got to do is figure out who I’m talking about. God, how I hate pubic education…..one more thing, you’re not much of an American but you are a pretty good useful tool….or useless fool depending upon ones point of view.
A traitor is a traitor Elvis…we used to know that. I still do, why don’t you? Here is what needs to happen right now if not yesterday.
Sedition Act of 1918
United States, Statutes at Large, Washington, D.C., 1918, Vol. XL, pp 553 ff. A portion of the amendment to Section 3 of the Espionage Act of June 15, 1917.
Whoever, when the United States is at war, shall willfully make or convey false reports or false statements with intent to interfere with the operation or success of the military or naval forces of the United States, or to promote the success of its enemies, or shall willfully make or convey false reports, or false statements, . . . or incite insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty, in the military or naval forces of the United States, or shall willfully obstruct . . . the recruiting or enlistment service of the United States, or . . . shall willfully utter, print, write, or publish any disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language about the form of government of the United States, or the Constitution of the United States, or the military or naval forces of the United States . . . or shall willfully display the flag of any foreign enemy, or shall willfully . . . urge, incite, or advocate any curtailment of production . . . or advocate, teach, defend, or suggest the doing of any of the acts or things in this section enumerated and whoever shall by word or act support or favor the cause of any country with which the United States is at war or by word or act oppose the cause of the United States therein, shall be punished by a fine of not more than $10,000 or imprisonment for not more than twenty years, or both….
September 10th, 2005 at 11:06 pm#134, you are obtuse… you didn’t need to tell anyone where you stand. Wise people can spot your kind a mile away. It takes generations to breed people like you. You are NO mystery to anyone but yourself.
Now take a hike.
September 11th, 2005 at 12:25 amAs far as gay marriage, I don’t care one way or the other, as it does not affect me. However, I feel that YOU do not have the right to deny ANYONE EQUALITY.
It is about benefits. It is about social security. It is about insurance. It is about respect. It is about equality.
I would love to deny your spouse your ssi benefits and insurance just because I find based on my twisted religion or view points that you are living in sin.
You don’t have to approve, you do have to tolerate. That was Jesus’ message.
As far as that goes, I don’t approve of your views, but I do tolerate them. But I can try to open your mind and improve the world.
September 11th, 2005 at 12:35 amYou don’t have to approve, you do have to tolerate. That was Jesus’ message.
Nonsense KJ. Jesus didn’t say anything about tolerating sexual deviants, criminals, terrorists, dissemblers and Leftists. He has made it pretty clear that these people should be thrown out of the camp.
You do know who He is don’t you? He is the God of wrath of the Old Testament who came to Earth with a message not of tolerance but of forgiveness. There’s a difference you know, for Him and for us.
September 11th, 2005 at 12:46 amObtuse - 1. Lacking quickness of perception or intellect. 2.Characterized by a lack of intelligence or sensitivity.
Hmm, I’ll let others decide who this applies to.
You’re right. I didn’t need to tell anyone where I stand. I was being courteous answering because, well, you asked. Post #124: “How do you feel about blacks voting? Gay Marriage, Abortion…..”
September 11th, 2005 at 2:19 amYou continue to flaunt what appear to be your prejudices by once more assuming you know more about “my kind” than you do. I don’t know you or what “kind” you are but deduce there is prejudice based on the multiple “your kind” and “nazi” type remarks. These are not the words of an open minded person. I won’t dignify the whole breeding thing with comment.
It appears Jesus is yet another area where you are weak (we just keep uncovering them don’t we?). Jesus taught forgiveness for those who accepted God and eternal damnation for those who didn’t. He also warned about judging others. I haven’t exactly memorized the New Testament so I could be wrong but I don’t recall him saying anything about tolerance of political views. I also don’t recall any direct comments on homosexuality although the old testament condemns them. I’m not religious but I have read the Bible (also the Koran and Bhagavad-Gita although a long time ago). The Bible has great sex and violence: David & Bathsheba, Sodom & Gomorra, Jacob & Esau, etc. Even way back then Jews and Palestinians were fighting over that same patch of land! I’ve seen it and I’m still not sure why either one wants it.
Trying to open my mind and improve the world is a fine idea but the wide variety of bigoted assumptions and insults you hurl at me are a mighty poor way to achieve your goal. That said, I do appreciate you trying to make your point with a minimum of insults. I’m actually reading them without laughing. See how much better adult behavior is? Ah well! This is getting tedious so I’ll quite showing up KJ for now. Gotta go embarrass some right wing nuts for awhile but I’ll keep checking back.
here’s something i came across regarding the whole situation down in new orleans. it is based on facts observed by an inner-city reporter *while he was away in china*. take it as you will.
A Dismal Reality
It Wasn’t Supposed To Be This Way
September 7. 2005
I was traveling in China when pictures of the looters in New Orleans began to appear on CNN. They were black of course. Looting and raping and burning are what blacks do when the lid loosens. Yes, I could phrase this more cautiously: These things are what some blacks, etc. or, more cutely, not all blacks are looters, but all looters….blah blah.
Yet it happens time and again. There was Los Angeles, burned in 1992. There have been Cincinnati, Miami, Seattle, Washington DC, Chicago, Detroit, Crown Heights, Watts, Newark, on and on and on. When the law loses its grip, the looting begins.
We have come to expect it. Members of my tour group in China to whom I spoke assumed that the looters were black before watching. They had seen it before. I knew it before I saw the pictures. The looters are always black except when, occasionally, they are Latino. If they were looting for food it would be understandable. But that isn’t what is happening. Few of us eat television sets. Nike’s running shoes are not particularly digestible.*
With the dismantling in the Fifties of apartheid in the United States, many hoped that blacks would rise, study, progress, and become genuinely as distinct from formally integrated into the country. I hoped it too, though my expectations were low. Southerners said it would never happen, but were dismissed as prejudiced. They were right.
The melding of the races just hasn’t worked and, if examined honestly, shows few signs of working. Fifty years after the Brown decision, blacks remain unassimilated. They appear to be unassimilable. This, after endless programs, after the nation has turned itself on its head trying to encourage, promote, force, or imagine assimilation.
Integration of the schools degraded the schools, but did little for blacks. Operation Head Start didn’t work. Racial quotas in the universities didn’t work, nor did the awarding of unearned degrees or the establishment of departments of Black Studies. Compulsory integration of restaurants didn’t work. Quotas in hiring, enforced by the federal government, didn’t work. Welfare didn’t work. “Hate-crime†laws didn’t work. Nothing has worked.
These attempts have not been without results, but assimilation of blacks into the country has not been one of them. Compelled hiring by race instead of merit has produced a black middle class, but those so hired are regarded as a sort of tax, a cost of doing business. Saying this aloud is a firing offense, so no one says it in the office. They say it later over a beer. This was not the intended outcome. It is what we got.
Neither race shows much inclination to associate with the other. Left to themselves, they quickly segregate, in housing, on campus, in night clubs. Only heavy federal pressure produces an appearance of togetherheid.
As a police reporter frequently in the hearts of the big cities, I saw the failure with a clarity available to few. The black regions are huge, and they are purely black. Their denizens share little with a society of European derivation. In particular, with not enough exceptions, they seem to regard laws as restraints externally imposed instead of internally felt: When the police go away, so do restrictions on behavior. So do televisions. God help you if you are a white woman. If you don’t believe this, check the Uniform Crime Reports of the FBI. They are on the web.
I am not sure with what instrument one measures passivity, but passivity is what I sensed in the moldering dark regions—people just waiting, for what neither I nor they knew, just going from day to day, except for the gangs, who killed people. There was a smell of violence awaiting its chance. If you think I am imagining this, reflect on the looting and burning that erupt when the lid grows loose. Always there is another city with young blacks carrying television sets from stores.
I do not say these things with rejoicing. Morally it is saddening. For blacks, for whites, for the country the best thing would be that blacks genuinely flourish. They do not.
Something seems inherent in the race, or perhaps embedded in the culture, that does not understand success or morals or responsibility as others understand them. Perhaps, as many suggest, a history of being wards of the state, of being given special aid and special privilege, of having nothing expected of them, has inculcated passivity. Perhaps the persistently noted difference in measured IQ is the explanation. Be that as it may, the blacks of the rioting regions seem to labor under a crippling torpor and a dull, paralyzing lack of concern for those things that define European societies. Or, for that matter, Chinese or Japanese societies. Scholarship, reading, study do not seem to appeal. In Washington, I almost never saw blacks in the art galleries, the museums, or the public libraries. The races do not appear to want the same things, do not value the same things.
Writers speaking of the looting in New Orleans regularly say that poverty causes looting, and that as a society we should do something about it. But why are blacks poor, and what could society do that it has not already tried? Blacks a