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	<title>Comments on: Tom DeLay: Response to Katrina a &#8220;Phenomenal Accomplishment&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: fostercarescam</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/08/delay-katrina/comment-page-4/#comment-1510111</link>
		<dc:creator>fostercarescam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 22:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is their interest in foster care!

http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/judi_chaseII.htm

http://www.familyrightsassociation.com

http://www.liftingtheveil.org/falsification.htm

http://www.sierratimes.com/02/10/18/ednm101802.htm

Tom DeLay took money from Non Profits.........its a scam guys and girls!

Texas State Audits for foster care Contractors!
1.) Misaapropriation
2.) Backdating
3.) No way of knowing services billed ever provided.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is their interest in foster care!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/judi_chaseII.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/judi_chaseII.htm</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.familyrightsassociation.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.familyrightsassociation.com</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.liftingtheveil.org/falsification.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.liftingtheveil.org/falsification.htm</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.sierratimes.com/02/10/18/ednm101802.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.sierratimes.com/02/10/18/ednm101802.htm</a></p>
<p>Tom DeLay took money from Non Profits&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;its a scam guys and girls!</p>
<p>Texas State Audits for foster care Contractors!<br />
1.) Misaapropriation<br />
2.) Backdating<br />
3.) No way of knowing services billed ever provided.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1510111', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: crimebuster</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/08/delay-katrina/comment-page-4/#comment-1361918</link>
		<dc:creator>crimebuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Dec 2006 16:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom Delay showed up on June 6, 2004 with the Head of Lutheran Social Services Senske the lawyer who has the biggest foster care contract in Texas and Lutheran Social Services manages Tom Delays foster homes in Forst Bend, to thwarth a Congressional Investigation into massive fostercare fraud and fake death reports!!!  Well, at least we finally found out why they covered it up (THE DEAD CHILDREN), cuz they passed legislation to take LIFE INSURANCE OUT ON FOSTER CARE CHILDREN and hid it in the Veterans bill and stuck it at the end under option C, (which I believe is illegal), of course they did it after getting the life insurance money from companies, then they upped limits 500% the following year!!! Yes they stuck it in PA 105-311, take a look!    I guess they had to FALSIFY the reports to COVER UP the DEAD KIDS, they KILL using the MEDS!!!  They catergory the deaths under NATURAL CAUSES/MEDICAL!  Yes, you tend to DIE when drugged to death poisoining by MEDS!!!  Oh, the KEYE TV investigation in Austin, TX where they fed foster care kids drugs cuz they are in fostercare that are NOT recommended for adults or by FDA cause death when taken together.  Learn about the NAZI program in the 1930&#039;s on social poor and minority the T4 program which was named after the location on a MAP was for the adults but the used the drugging of children first with drugs.  Also I noticed the TMAP program that the STATE of Texas ran around and lobbied 13 other states onto for the MEDICAID/MEDICARE drug program, the gut in the TEXAS STATE GOVT took $2 million and is still NOT ABLE TO ACCOUNT FOR MONEY AND STILL UNCHARGED.  

I like the name TMAP.....someone has a sense of history, GERMAN history.  I was wondering the T4 program in the 1930&#039;s what position on the MAP made them name it T4 if you know post it!  I guess the Germans ethnic cleanse this way, well I guess these guys get paid now to KILL THEM, like on the video with the TEXAS STATE employees killing the child on the video, WHAT DO THEY DO WITH EXTRA LIFE INSURANCE MONEY!??? JUST WONDERING, and if STATE AUDITS say! 1.) Misappropriation 2.) Backdating 3,) Know way of knowing services billed ever provided .  

* How does the politically connected group foster home collect the money and WHERE DOES REST OF MONEY GO, They are giving really cheap FUNERALS for the kids!  Also do the politically connected group foster homes give to GOP CAMPAIGNS, because if more kids die doesn&#039;t that mean the GOP gets more money if it is given to them???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom Delay showed up on June 6, 2004 with the Head of Lutheran Social Services Senske the lawyer who has the biggest foster care contract in Texas and Lutheran Social Services manages Tom Delays foster homes in Forst Bend, to thwarth a Congressional Investigation into massive fostercare fraud and fake death reports!!!  Well, at least we finally found out why they covered it up (THE DEAD CHILDREN), cuz they passed legislation to take LIFE INSURANCE OUT ON FOSTER CARE CHILDREN and hid it in the Veterans bill and stuck it at the end under option C, (which I believe is illegal), of course they did it after getting the life insurance money from companies, then they upped limits 500% the following year!!! Yes they stuck it in PA 105-311, take a look!    I guess they had to FALSIFY the reports to COVER UP the DEAD KIDS, they KILL using the MEDS!!!  They catergory the deaths under NATURAL CAUSES/MEDICAL!  Yes, you tend to DIE when drugged to death poisoining by MEDS!!!  Oh, the KEYE TV investigation in Austin, TX where they fed foster care kids drugs cuz they are in fostercare that are NOT recommended for adults or by FDA cause death when taken together.  Learn about the NAZI program in the 1930&#8217;s on social poor and minority the T4 program which was named after the location on a MAP was for the adults but the used the drugging of children first with drugs.  Also I noticed the TMAP program that the STATE of Texas ran around and lobbied 13 other states onto for the MEDICAID/MEDICARE drug program, the gut in the TEXAS STATE GOVT took $2 million and is still NOT ABLE TO ACCOUNT FOR MONEY AND STILL UNCHARGED.  </p>
<p>I like the name TMAP&#8230;..someone has a sense of history, GERMAN history.  I was wondering the T4 program in the 1930&#8217;s what position on the MAP made them name it T4 if you know post it!  I guess the Germans ethnic cleanse this way, well I guess these guys get paid now to KILL THEM, like on the video with the TEXAS STATE employees killing the child on the video, WHAT DO THEY DO WITH EXTRA LIFE INSURANCE MONEY!??? JUST WONDERING, and if STATE AUDITS say! 1.) Misappropriation 2.) Backdating 3,) Know way of knowing services billed ever provided .  </p>
<p>* How does the politically connected group foster home collect the money and WHERE DOES REST OF MONEY GO, They are giving really cheap FUNERALS for the kids!  Also do the politically connected group foster homes give to GOP CAMPAIGNS, because if more kids die doesn&#8217;t that mean the GOP gets more money if it is given to them???<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1361918', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Zack</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/08/delay-katrina/comment-page-4/#comment-1157933</link>
		<dc:creator>Zack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 10:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or turning away food and water so the Superdome doesnâ€™t draw more people. Oh wait, that was the states fault again, lets not mention that either.
As for the efforts that have been taking place, we should be applauding, not complaining. The rescuers are people too. The equipment they use is not indestructable. Under a â€œmanditory evacuation,â€ are they supposed to remain in the storm? They, like everyone else had to seek shelter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or turning away food and water so the Superdome doesnâ€™t draw more people. Oh wait, that was the states fault again, lets not mention that either.<br />
As for the efforts that have been taking place, we should be applauding, not complaining. The rescuers are people too. The equipment they use is not indestructable. Under a â€œmanditory evacuation,â€ are they supposed to remain in the storm? They, like everyone else had to seek shelter.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1157933', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Zaro</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/08/delay-katrina/comment-page-4/#comment-708749</link>
		<dc:creator>Zaro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Aug 2006 16:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HI<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=708749', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: The Wrench</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/08/delay-katrina/comment-page-4/#comment-625433</link>
		<dc:creator>The Wrench</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jun 2006 13:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THEY &quot; CUT AND RANT THE REPUBLICAN&#039;TS&quot;  &quot; they CUT AND RAN THE REPUBLICANS&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THEY &#8221; CUT AND RANT THE REPUBLICAN&#8217;TS&#8221;  &#8221; they CUT AND RAN THE REPUBLICANS&#8221;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=625433', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: The tool box</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/08/delay-katrina/comment-page-4/#comment-508170</link>
		<dc:creator>The tool box</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Republicans against Republican/Communist! We been duped and infiltrated. We backed them they duped us and used us! We know where the IRON FIST Totalitarian style idea came from now.............they the COMMUNIST INFILTRATED REPUBLICAN PARTY!  http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2006/01/04/to_russia_love_tom_delay.php

Republicans against Republican Communist Party! Vote them out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Republicans against Republican/Communist! We been duped and infiltrated. We backed them they duped us and used us! We know where the IRON FIST Totalitarian style idea came from now&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.they the COMMUNIST INFILTRATED REPUBLICAN PARTY!  <a href="http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2006/01/04/to_russia_love_tom_delay.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2006/01/04/to_russia_love_tom_delay.php</a></p>
<p>Republicans against Republican Communist Party! Vote them out!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=508170', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: The Wrench</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/08/delay-katrina/comment-page-4/#comment-492814</link>
		<dc:creator>The Wrench</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2006 14:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look at this Phenemenal Russian Communist neighborhood!

http://news.com/commentary/2005/04/18/adoption.shtml

Who has been taking dirty trips to Russia!

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/02/23/abramoff_ties_to_russians_probed/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at this Phenemenal Russian Communist neighborhood!</p>
<p><a href="http://news.com/commentary/2005/04/18/adoption.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://news.com/commentary/2005/04/18/adoption.shtml</a></p>
<p>Who has been taking dirty trips to Russia!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/02/23/abramoff_ties_to_russians_probed/" rel="nofollow">http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/02/23/abramoff_ties_to_russians_probed/</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=492814', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: The Wrench</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/08/delay-katrina/comment-page-4/#comment-491630</link>
		<dc:creator>The Wrench</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is how their NETWORK WORKS!

http://www.txcfr.org/M.pdf

* ON JUNE 6, 2003, gave speech with same Judge in San Antonio Texas!!!

See you been duped! TRICKED by Republicans!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is how their NETWORK WORKS!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.txcfr.org/M.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.txcfr.org/M.pdf</a></p>
<p>* ON JUNE 6, 2003, gave speech with same Judge in San Antonio Texas!!!</p>
<p>See you been duped! TRICKED by Republicans!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=491630', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: The Wrench</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/08/delay-katrina/comment-page-4/#comment-490338</link>
		<dc:creator>The Wrench</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Corrupters work the opposite way! They put propapanda and bilk public to pay for it! SEE!

They been exposed for their deeds! Republican Way!

http://www.house.gov/georgemiller/press/re/21306.html

We switched parties because the Republicans Eat their own ..............if they can make money off you and use you as a fund raiser they will! 

We have a National movement to out all Corrupt Republicans and their backers and boycott their dirty backers too! Also outing dirty Democrats but the Republicans are in first place by a country mile on Corruption! 

Vote on Unelection Day! Out the corrupters!  Look at propaganda to trick public!

They say opposite of truth! Don&#039;t take our word READ! Happy Corrupter and Happy Unelection Day!  Maybe he can move into the 9th Ward and live in Phenomenal neighborhood and legislate the neighborhood!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Corrupters work the opposite way! They put propapanda and bilk public to pay for it! SEE!</p>
<p>They been exposed for their deeds! Republican Way!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.house.gov/georgemiller/press/re/21306.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.house.gov/georgemiller/press/re/21306.html</a></p>
<p>We switched parties because the Republicans Eat their own &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..if they can make money off you and use you as a fund raiser they will! </p>
<p>We have a National movement to out all Corrupt Republicans and their backers and boycott their dirty backers too! Also outing dirty Democrats but the Republicans are in first place by a country mile on Corruption! </p>
<p>Vote on Unelection Day! Out the corrupters!  Look at propaganda to trick public!</p>
<p>They say opposite of truth! Don&#8217;t take our word READ! Happy Corrupter and Happy Unelection Day!  Maybe he can move into the 9th Ward and live in Phenomenal neighborhood and legislate the neighborhood!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=490338', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: tom</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/08/delay-katrina/comment-page-4/#comment-483844</link>
		<dc:creator>tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://media.familyrights.us/expose/ExposeV2005.pdf</description>
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		<title>By: grandpa stole bets</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/08/delay-katrina/comment-page-4/#comment-261721</link>
		<dc:creator>grandpa stole bets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 06:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Program on the emergence of civilization. 

&quot;14 species of large animals capable of domesitcation in the history of mankind. 
13 from Europe, Asia and northern Africa.
None from the sub-Saharan African continent. &quot; 
Favor. 
And disfavor. 

They point out Africansâ€™ failed attempts to domesticate the elephant and zebra, the latter being an animal they illustrate that had utmost importance for it&#039;s applicability in transformation from a hunting/gathering to agrarian-based civilization. 

The roots of racism are not of this earth. 

Austrailia, aboriginals:::No domesticable animals.

The North American continent had none.  Now 99% of that population is gone.

AIDS in Africa.


Organizational Heirarchy/Levels of positioning.
Heirarchical order, from top to bottom: 

1. MUCK - perhaps have experienced multiple universal contractions (have seen multiple big bangs), creator of the artificial intelligence humans ignorantly refer to as &quot;god&quot; 
2. Perhaps some mid-level alien management 
3. Evil/disfavored aliens - runs day-to-day operations here and perhaps elsewhere

Terrestrial management/positioning: 

4. Chinese/egyptians - this may be separated into the eastern and western worlds 
5. Romans - 
6. Mafia - the real-world 20th century interface that constantly turns over generationally so as to reinforce the widely-held notion of mortality 
7. Jews, corporation, women, politician - Evidence exisits to suggest mafia management over all these groups. 


Movies foreshadowing catastrophy
1985 James Bond View to a Kill  1989 San Francisco Loma Prieta earthquake.


Our society gives clues to the system in place. We all have heard the saying &quot;He has more money than god.&quot; There is also an episode of the Simpsons where god meets Homer and says &quot;I&#039;m too old and rich for this.&quot;

This is the system on earth because this is the system everywhere.

I don&#039;t want to suggest the upper eschelons are evil and good is the fringe. 

But they have made it abundantly clear that doing business with evil (disfavored) won&#039;t help people. They say only good would have the ear, since evil is struggling for survival, and therefore only the favored could help.

The clues are there which companies are favored and which are disfavored, but they conceal it very hard because it is so crucial. 

I offer an example of historical proportions:::
 
People point to Walmart and cry &quot;anti-union&quot;.
Unions enable disfavored people to live satisfactorly without addressing their disfavor. This way their family&#039;s problems are never resolved. Without the union they would have to accept the heirarchy, their own inferiority. 
Unions serve to empower.
Walmart is anti-union because they are good. They try to help people address and resolve their problems by creating an enviornment where there are fewer hurdles.  

Media ridicule and lawsuits are creations to reinforce people&#039;s belief that Walmart is evil in a subsegment of the indistry dominated by the middle and lower classes.
Low-cost disfavored Chinese labor is utilized by corporate america to maximize margins.  They all do it.  Only WalMart gets fingered because they are the ones who help, and those who seek to create confusion in the marketplace want to eliminate the vast middle class who have a real chance and instead stick with lower classes who may not work otherwise.  So they dirty him up while allowing the others to appear clean.

The middle class is being deceived.  They are being misled into the unfavored, and subsequently will have no assistance from their purchases with corporate america.

I believe the coining of the term &quot;Uncle Sam&quot; was a clue alluding to just this::Sam Walton and WalMart is one of few saviors of the peasant class.


Amercia is a country of castoffs, rejects.  Italy sent its criminals, malcontents.
Between the thrones, the klans and kindred, they &quot;decided&quot; who they didn&#039;t want and acted, creating discontent and/or starvation.
The u.s. is full of disfavored rejects.  It is the reason for the myriad of problems not found in European countries.  As far as the Rockafellers and other industrialists of the 19th century go, I suspect these aren&#039;t their real names.  I suspect they were chosen to go and head this new empire.

Royalty is the right way to organize a society.  Dictatorships and monarchies are a reflection of the antient&#039;s hierarchical organization.
Positions go to those who have favor with the rulers, as opposed to being elected.
Elections bring a false sense of how the world is.  Democracy misleads people.
Which is why the disfavored rejects were sent to the shores of America::To keep them on the wrong path.


Jews maim the body formed in the image of &quot;god&quot;, and inflicted circumsision upon all other white people, as well as the evil that is Jesus Christ.  
I think about how Jews (were used to) created homosexuality among Slavics, retribution for the Holocaust.
Then I think of the Catholic Church and its troubles.
What connection is here between Jews and the Catholic church???
If it is their sinister motives thatâ€™s behind the evil that is Jesus Christ are they being used at all?
Perhaps it is them who are pulling strings.
Their centuries of slavery in Egypt proves their disfavor.  
The Jew leaders decided to prey on the up-and-coming Europeans to try to fix their problems with the ruling elite, a recurring aspect of the elite&#039;s methodology.

Jesus Christ is a religious figure of evil.  The seperatist churches formed so they could still capture the rest of the white people,  keeping them worshipping the wrong god.
And now they do it to people of color, Latinos and Asians, after centuries of preying upon them.  

Since Buddism doesn&#039;t recongnize a god, the calls are never heard, and Chinese representation is instead selected by the thrones.
Budda was the Asian&#039;s Jesus Christ::: bad for the people.  &quot;They came up at the same time for a reason.&quot;

Simpson&#039;s foreshadowing::Helloween IV special, Flanders is Satan. &quot;Last one you ever suspect.&quot;
&quot;You&#039;ll see lots of nuns where you&#039;re going:::hell!!!&quot;  St. Wigham, Helloween VI, missionary work, destroying cultures.
Over and over, the Simpsons was a source of education and enlightenment, a target of ridicule by the system which wishes to conceal its secrets.


I believe Islam is the one true religion, and those misled christians who attack &quot;god&quot;&#039;s most favored people will pay dearly one day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Program on the emergence of civilization. </p>
<p>&#8220;14 species of large animals capable of domesitcation in the history of mankind.<br />
13 from Europe, Asia and northern Africa.<br />
None from the sub-Saharan African continent. &#8221;<br />
Favor.<br />
And disfavor. </p>
<p>They point out Africansâ€™ failed attempts to domesticate the elephant and zebra, the latter being an animal they illustrate that had utmost importance for it&#8217;s applicability in transformation from a hunting/gathering to agrarian-based civilization. </p>
<p>The roots of racism are not of this earth. </p>
<p>Austrailia, aboriginals:::No domesticable animals.</p>
<p>The North American continent had none.  Now 99% of that population is gone.</p>
<p>AIDS in Africa.</p>
<p>Organizational Heirarchy/Levels of positioning.<br />
Heirarchical order, from top to bottom: </p>
<p>1. MUCK &#8211; perhaps have experienced multiple universal contractions (have seen multiple big bangs), creator of the artificial intelligence humans ignorantly refer to as &#8220;god&#8221;<br />
2. Perhaps some mid-level alien management<br />
3. Evil/disfavored aliens &#8211; runs day-to-day operations here and perhaps elsewhere</p>
<p>Terrestrial management/positioning: </p>
<p>4. Chinese/egyptians &#8211; this may be separated into the eastern and western worlds<br />
5. Romans &#8211;<br />
6. Mafia &#8211; the real-world 20th century interface that constantly turns over generationally so as to reinforce the widely-held notion of mortality<br />
7. Jews, corporation, women, politician &#8211; Evidence exisits to suggest mafia management over all these groups. </p>
<p>Movies foreshadowing catastrophy<br />
1985 James Bond View to a Kill  1989 San Francisco Loma Prieta earthquake.</p>
<p>Our society gives clues to the system in place. We all have heard the saying &#8220;He has more money than god.&#8221; There is also an episode of the Simpsons where god meets Homer and says &#8220;I&#8217;m too old and rich for this.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is the system on earth because this is the system everywhere.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to suggest the upper eschelons are evil and good is the fringe. </p>
<p>But they have made it abundantly clear that doing business with evil (disfavored) won&#8217;t help people. They say only good would have the ear, since evil is struggling for survival, and therefore only the favored could help.</p>
<p>The clues are there which companies are favored and which are disfavored, but they conceal it very hard because it is so crucial. </p>
<p>I offer an example of historical proportions:::</p>
<p>People point to Walmart and cry &#8220;anti-union&#8221;.<br />
Unions enable disfavored people to live satisfactorly without addressing their disfavor. This way their family&#8217;s problems are never resolved. Without the union they would have to accept the heirarchy, their own inferiority.<br />
Unions serve to empower.<br />
Walmart is anti-union because they are good. They try to help people address and resolve their problems by creating an enviornment where there are fewer hurdles.  </p>
<p>Media ridicule and lawsuits are creations to reinforce people&#8217;s belief that Walmart is evil in a subsegment of the indistry dominated by the middle and lower classes.<br />
Low-cost disfavored Chinese labor is utilized by corporate america to maximize margins.  They all do it.  Only WalMart gets fingered because they are the ones who help, and those who seek to create confusion in the marketplace want to eliminate the vast middle class who have a real chance and instead stick with lower classes who may not work otherwise.  So they dirty him up while allowing the others to appear clean.</p>
<p>The middle class is being deceived.  They are being misled into the unfavored, and subsequently will have no assistance from their purchases with corporate america.</p>
<p>I believe the coining of the term &#8220;Uncle Sam&#8221; was a clue alluding to just this::Sam Walton and WalMart is one of few saviors of the peasant class.</p>
<p>Amercia is a country of castoffs, rejects.  Italy sent its criminals, malcontents.<br />
Between the thrones, the klans and kindred, they &#8220;decided&#8221; who they didn&#8217;t want and acted, creating discontent and/or starvation.<br />
The u.s. is full of disfavored rejects.  It is the reason for the myriad of problems not found in European countries.  As far as the Rockafellers and other industrialists of the 19th century go, I suspect these aren&#8217;t their real names.  I suspect they were chosen to go and head this new empire.</p>
<p>Royalty is the right way to organize a society.  Dictatorships and monarchies are a reflection of the antient&#8217;s hierarchical organization.<br />
Positions go to those who have favor with the rulers, as opposed to being elected.<br />
Elections bring a false sense of how the world is.  Democracy misleads people.<br />
Which is why the disfavored rejects were sent to the shores of America::To keep them on the wrong path.</p>
<p>Jews maim the body formed in the image of &#8220;god&#8221;, and inflicted circumsision upon all other white people, as well as the evil that is Jesus Christ.<br />
I think about how Jews (were used to) created homosexuality among Slavics, retribution for the Holocaust.<br />
Then I think of the Catholic Church and its troubles.<br />
What connection is here between Jews and the Catholic church???<br />
If it is their sinister motives thatâ€™s behind the evil that is Jesus Christ are they being used at all?<br />
Perhaps it is them who are pulling strings.<br />
Their centuries of slavery in Egypt proves their disfavor.<br />
The Jew leaders decided to prey on the up-and-coming Europeans to try to fix their problems with the ruling elite, a recurring aspect of the elite&#8217;s methodology.</p>
<p>Jesus Christ is a religious figure of evil.  The seperatist churches formed so they could still capture the rest of the white people,  keeping them worshipping the wrong god.<br />
And now they do it to people of color, Latinos and Asians, after centuries of preying upon them.  </p>
<p>Since Buddism doesn&#8217;t recongnize a god, the calls are never heard, and Chinese representation is instead selected by the thrones.<br />
Budda was the Asian&#8217;s Jesus Christ::: bad for the people.  &#8220;They came up at the same time for a reason.&#8221;</p>
<p>Simpson&#8217;s foreshadowing::Helloween IV special, Flanders is Satan. &#8220;Last one you ever suspect.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;You&#8217;ll see lots of nuns where you&#8217;re going:::hell!!!&#8221;  St. Wigham, Helloween VI, missionary work, destroying cultures.<br />
Over and over, the Simpsons was a source of education and enlightenment, a target of ridicule by the system which wishes to conceal its secrets.</p>
<p>I believe Islam is the one true religion, and those misled christians who attack &#8220;god&#8221;&#8217;s most favored people will pay dearly one day.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=261721', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Hillman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2005 05:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone has there day in court lets see what really happens!

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		<title>By: Daniel Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really liked your comments here. I hope you&#039;re going to update your site soon. Naked truth: http://www.acidrefluxreview.com/blog/?p=20 , &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cosmicbuddha.com/blog/archives/001169.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Soft voice over the net&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really liked your comments here. I hope you&#8217;re going to update your site soon. Naked truth: <a href="http://www.acidrefluxreview.com/blog/?p=20" rel="nofollow">http://www.acidrefluxreview.com/blog/?p=20</a> , <a href="http://www.cosmicbuddha.com/blog/archives/001169.html" rel="nofollow">Soft voice over the net</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=166787', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: barbara bush</title>
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		<dc:creator>barbara bush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 08:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom Delay is the product of dried rat cum irradiated by microwavable period blood.  I know this.  I invented the recipe.

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		<title>By: I-RIGHT-I</title>
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		<dc:creator>I-RIGHT-I</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Tin Foil..I know about Snopes. Sometimes he&#039;s right sometimes he&#039;s wrong and I&#039;ve seen this page before. What&#039;s amazing to me about this particular Snopes account is the near zero corroborating data he uses to come to his conclusions. &quot;FALSE&quot;.  I mean this guy must have secret information about 60 deaths that even the local authorities didn&#039;t have.

He uses every logical fallacy in the book in his DEFENSE of your President and I&#039;m sure that&#039;s good enough for you but relax,  I only mentioned all those mysterious and coincidental deaths in passing. Actually I think murder is a President&#039;s prerogative. Lyndon Johnson for example killed a whole passel of Kennedy&#039;s. I just wish George would get with the program. I think Teddy needs to go, don&#039;t you?  It would be nice for once to have the bad guys &quot;disappeared&quot;. Wouldn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Tin Foil..I know about Snopes. Sometimes he&#8217;s right sometimes he&#8217;s wrong and I&#8217;ve seen this page before. What&#8217;s amazing to me about this particular Snopes account is the near zero corroborating data he uses to come to his conclusions. &#8220;FALSE&#8221;.  I mean this guy must have secret information about 60 deaths that even the local authorities didn&#8217;t have.</p>
<p>He uses every logical fallacy in the book in his DEFENSE of your President and I&#8217;m sure that&#8217;s good enough for you but relax,  I only mentioned all those mysterious and coincidental deaths in passing. Actually I think murder is a President&#8217;s prerogative. Lyndon Johnson for example killed a whole passel of Kennedy&#8217;s. I just wish George would get with the program. I think Teddy needs to go, don&#8217;t you?  It would be nice for once to have the bad guys &#8220;disappeared&#8221;. Wouldn&#8217;t it?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=131031', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Tin Foil Sales</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tin Foil Sales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 18:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment by I-RIGHT-I 

It&#039;s a little thing called snopes, moron. Everyone of those &quot;rumors&quot; about Clinton has been debunked. You either know that but don&#039;t care,which means you are a theo-fascist American taliban, or you a complete idiot. No, you probably are both.

http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=Clinton&amp;sp-a=00062d45-sp00000000&amp;sp-advanced=1&amp;sp-p=all&amp;sp-w-control=1&amp;sp-w=alike&amp;sp-date-range=-1&amp;sp-x=any&amp;sp-c=100&amp;sp-m=1&amp;sp-s=0</description>
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<p>It&#8217;s a little thing called snopes, moron. Everyone of those &#8220;rumors&#8221; about Clinton has been debunked. You either know that but don&#8217;t care,which means you are a theo-fascist American taliban, or you a complete idiot. No, you probably are both.</p>
<p><a href="http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=Clinton&amp;sp-a=00062d45-sp00000000&amp;sp-advanced=1&amp;sp-p=all&amp;sp-w-control=1&amp;sp-w=alike&amp;sp-date-range=-1&amp;sp-x=any&amp;sp-c=100&amp;sp-m=1&amp;sp-s=0" rel="nofollow">http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=Clinton&amp;sp-a=00062d45-sp00000000&amp;sp-advanced=1&amp;sp-p=all&amp;sp-w-control=1&amp;sp-w=alike&amp;sp-date-range=-1&amp;sp-x=any&amp;sp-c=100&amp;sp-m=1&amp;sp-s=0</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=130917', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Tin Foil Sales</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tin Foil Sales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 18:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look em up, phony KKKristian. You going to hell!

&lt;em&gt;No one disputes the faith of our Founding Fathers. To speak of unalienable Rights being endowed by a Creator certainly shows a sensitivity to our spiritual selves. What is surprising is when fundamentalist Christians think the Founding Fathers&#039; faith had anything to do with the Bible. Without exception, the faith of our Founding Fathers was deist, not theist. It was best expressed earlier in the Declaration of Independence, when they spoke of &quot;the Laws of Nature&quot; and of &quot;Nature&#039;s God.&quot;

In a sermon of October 1831, Episcopalian minister Bird Wilson said, 

Among all of our Presidents, from Washington downward, not one was a professor of religion, at least not of more than Unitarianism.

The Bible? Here is what our Founding Fathers wrote about Bible-based Christianity:

Thomas Jefferson: 

I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth.
SIX HISTORIC AMERICANS,
by John E. Remsburg, letter to William Short
Jefferson again: 
Christianity...(has become) the most perverted system that ever shone on man. ...Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and importers led by Paul, the first great corrupter of the teaching of Jesus.
More Jefferson: 
The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind and adulterated by artificial constructions into a contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves...these clergy, in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ.
Jefferson&#039;s word for the Bible? 
Dunghill.
John Adams: 
Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds, Confessions, Doctrines and Oaths, and whole carloads of other trumpery that we find religion encumbered with in these days?
Also Adams: 
The doctrine of the divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity.
Adams signed the Treaty of Tripoli. Article 11 states: 
The Government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.
Here&#039;s Thomas Paine: 
I would not dare to so dishonor my Creator God by attaching His name to that book (the Bible).

Among the most detestable villains in history, you could not find one worse than Moses. Here is an order, attributed to &#039;God&#039; to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers and to debauch and rape the daughters. I would not dare so dishonor my Creator&#039;s name by (attaching) it to this filthy book (the Bible).

It is the duty of every true Deist to vindicate the moral justice of God against the evils of the Bible.

Accustom a people to believe that priests and clergy can forgive sins...and you will have sins in abundance.

The Christian church has set up a religion of pomp and revenue in pretended imitation of a person (Jesus) who lived a life of poverty.

Finally let&#039;s hear from James Madison: 

What influence in fact have Christian ecclesiastical establishments had on civil society? In many instances they have been upholding the thrones of political tyranny. In no instance have they been seen as the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty have found in the clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate liberty, does not need the clergy.

Madison objected to state-supported chaplains in Congress and to the exemption of churches from taxation. He wrote: 

Religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.

These founding fathers were a reflection of the American population. Having escaped from the state-established religions of Europe, only 7% of the people in the 13 colonies belonged to a church when the Declaration of Independence was signed.

Among those who confuse Christianity with the founding of America, the rise of conservative Baptists is one of the more interesting developments. The Baptists believed God&#039;s authority came from the people, not the priesthood, and they had been persecuted for this belief. It was theyâ€”the Baptistsâ€”who were instrumental in securing the separation of church and state. They knew you can not have a &quot;one-way wall&quot; that lets religion into government but that does not let it out. They knew no religion is capable of handling political power without becoming corrupted by it. And, perhaps, they knew it was Christ himself who first proposed the separation of church and state: Give unto Caesar that which is Caesar&#039;s and unto the Lord that which is the Lord&#039;s.

In the last five years the Baptists have been taken over by a fundamentalist faction that insists authority comes from the Bible and that the individual must accept the interpretation of the Bible from a higher authority. These usurpers of the Baptist faith are those who insist they should meddle in the affairs of the government and it is they who insist the government should meddle in the beliefs of individuals.

The price of Liberty is constant vigilance. Religious fundamentalism and zealous patriotism have always been the forces which require the greatest attention.


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Editor&#039;s Note: This page was first posted in 1995. Since then we&#039;ve received volumes of mail from politically conservative Christians supplying us with quotes from public speeches made by the authors above. While most of these author politicians were diplomatic in their public expressions concerning religion, in their private conversations, voluminous writings and correspondences they expressed contrary beliefs.

Which beliefs are true? If a politician appears one way in public and another in private, which do you think better represents their true beliefs? How do you reconcile the inflamatory writings above with various pro-Christian statements that the same men made in public over the course of their careers? Could it be called &quot;politics,&quot; an attempt to appease Christians while ensuring a more rational government based on the separation of church and state? It certainly seems that way.

In addition, the Editor does not recognize any religious intentions of the so-called &quot;Founding Fathers&quot; as relevant to discussions of political process today. As a descendent of Native Americans the editor understands that America had already been &quot;found.&quot; The &quot;Christian&quot; beliefs of a handful of landed, white, male aristocracy enslaving blacks and murdering Native Americans hold little credibility and should be dumped along with the notions of slavery we so wisely dispensed with on January 1, 1863.

Photo credit: Sheila Sharkey. 25th anniversary of the Gay Freedom Day Parade in Washington, D.C., Spring, 1994.

References: The writings of Thomas Jefferson exist in 25 volumes. The references for this article were found in the book, SIX HISTORIC AMERICANS, by John E. Remsburg (who interviewed many of Lincoln&#039;s associates). Much of his work on Jefferson came from THE MEMOIRS, CORRESPONDENCE AND MISCELLANIES FROM THE PAPERS OF THOMAS JEFFERSON, 4 volumes ed. by Thomas Jefferson Randolph (the grandson of Thomas Jefferson).&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look em up, phony KKKristian. You going to hell!</p>
<p><em>No one disputes the faith of our Founding Fathers. To speak of unalienable Rights being endowed by a Creator certainly shows a sensitivity to our spiritual selves. What is surprising is when fundamentalist Christians think the Founding Fathers&#8217; faith had anything to do with the Bible. Without exception, the faith of our Founding Fathers was deist, not theist. It was best expressed earlier in the Declaration of Independence, when they spoke of &#8220;the Laws of Nature&#8221; and of &#8220;Nature&#8217;s God.&#8221;</p>
<p>In a sermon of October 1831, Episcopalian minister Bird Wilson said, </p>
<p>Among all of our Presidents, from Washington downward, not one was a professor of religion, at least not of more than Unitarianism.</p>
<p>The Bible? Here is what our Founding Fathers wrote about Bible-based Christianity:</p>
<p>Thomas Jefferson: </p>
<p>I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth.<br />
SIX HISTORIC AMERICANS,<br />
by John E. Remsburg, letter to William Short<br />
Jefferson again:<br />
Christianity&#8230;(has become) the most perverted system that ever shone on man. &#8230;Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and importers led by Paul, the first great corrupter of the teaching of Jesus.<br />
More Jefferson:<br />
The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind and adulterated by artificial constructions into a contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves&#8230;these clergy, in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ.<br />
Jefferson&#8217;s word for the Bible?<br />
Dunghill.<br />
John Adams:<br />
Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds, Confessions, Doctrines and Oaths, and whole carloads of other trumpery that we find religion encumbered with in these days?<br />
Also Adams:<br />
The doctrine of the divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity.<br />
Adams signed the Treaty of Tripoli. Article 11 states:<br />
The Government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.<br />
Here&#8217;s Thomas Paine:<br />
I would not dare to so dishonor my Creator God by attaching His name to that book (the Bible).</p>
<p>Among the most detestable villains in history, you could not find one worse than Moses. Here is an order, attributed to &#8216;God&#8217; to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers and to debauch and rape the daughters. I would not dare so dishonor my Creator&#8217;s name by (attaching) it to this filthy book (the Bible).</p>
<p>It is the duty of every true Deist to vindicate the moral justice of God against the evils of the Bible.</p>
<p>Accustom a people to believe that priests and clergy can forgive sins&#8230;and you will have sins in abundance.</p>
<p>The Christian church has set up a religion of pomp and revenue in pretended imitation of a person (Jesus) who lived a life of poverty.</p>
<p>Finally let&#8217;s hear from James Madison: </p>
<p>What influence in fact have Christian ecclesiastical establishments had on civil society? In many instances they have been upholding the thrones of political tyranny. In no instance have they been seen as the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty have found in the clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate liberty, does not need the clergy.</p>
<p>Madison objected to state-supported chaplains in Congress and to the exemption of churches from taxation. He wrote: </p>
<p>Religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.</p>
<p>These founding fathers were a reflection of the American population. Having escaped from the state-established religions of Europe, only 7% of the people in the 13 colonies belonged to a church when the Declaration of Independence was signed.</p>
<p>Among those who confuse Christianity with the founding of America, the rise of conservative Baptists is one of the more interesting developments. The Baptists believed God&#8217;s authority came from the people, not the priesthood, and they had been persecuted for this belief. It was theyâ€”the Baptistsâ€”who were instrumental in securing the separation of church and state. They knew you can not have a &#8220;one-way wall&#8221; that lets religion into government but that does not let it out. They knew no religion is capable of handling political power without becoming corrupted by it. And, perhaps, they knew it was Christ himself who first proposed the separation of church and state: Give unto Caesar that which is Caesar&#8217;s and unto the Lord that which is the Lord&#8217;s.</p>
<p>In the last five years the Baptists have been taken over by a fundamentalist faction that insists authority comes from the Bible and that the individual must accept the interpretation of the Bible from a higher authority. These usurpers of the Baptist faith are those who insist they should meddle in the affairs of the government and it is they who insist the government should meddle in the beliefs of individuals.</p>
<p>The price of Liberty is constant vigilance. Religious fundamentalism and zealous patriotism have always been the forces which require the greatest attention.</p>
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<p>Editor&#8217;s Note: This page was first posted in 1995. Since then we&#8217;ve received volumes of mail from politically conservative Christians supplying us with quotes from public speeches made by the authors above. While most of these author politicians were diplomatic in their public expressions concerning religion, in their private conversations, voluminous writings and correspondences they expressed contrary beliefs.</p>
<p>Which beliefs are true? If a politician appears one way in public and another in private, which do you think better represents their true beliefs? How do you reconcile the inflamatory writings above with various pro-Christian statements that the same men made in public over the course of their careers? Could it be called &#8220;politics,&#8221; an attempt to appease Christians while ensuring a more rational government based on the separation of church and state? It certainly seems that way.</p>
<p>In addition, the Editor does not recognize any religious intentions of the so-called &#8220;Founding Fathers&#8221; as relevant to discussions of political process today. As a descendent of Native Americans the editor understands that America had already been &#8220;found.&#8221; The &#8220;Christian&#8221; beliefs of a handful of landed, white, male aristocracy enslaving blacks and murdering Native Americans hold little credibility and should be dumped along with the notions of slavery we so wisely dispensed with on January 1, 1863.</p>
<p>Photo credit: Sheila Sharkey. 25th anniversary of the Gay Freedom Day Parade in Washington, D.C., Spring, 1994.</p>
<p>References: The writings of Thomas Jefferson exist in 25 volumes. The references for this article were found in the book, SIX HISTORIC AMERICANS, by John E. Remsburg (who interviewed many of Lincoln&#8217;s associates). Much of his work on Jefferson came from THE MEMOIRS, CORRESPONDENCE AND MISCELLANIES FROM THE PAPERS OF THOMAS JEFFERSON, 4 volumes ed. by Thomas Jefferson Randolph (the grandson of Thomas Jefferson).</em><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=130913', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Tin Foil Sales</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tin Foil Sales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 18:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I do hope He has mercy on me. This little visit ith you and yours has taxed every Christian prohibition I hold to be important. I have failed not to hate. But in my confession thereâ€™s another way to look at this. To love God is to love what He loves and hate what He hates. He most certainly hates what you people stand for. Ah, thatâ€™s better. I had me worried there for a second. 

Comment by I-RIGHT-I â€” September 9, 2005 @ 10:23 pm &lt;/em&gt;

So few KKKhristians, still not enough lions...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I do hope He has mercy on me. This little visit ith you and yours has taxed every Christian prohibition I hold to be important. I have failed not to hate. But in my confession thereâ€™s another way to look at this. To love God is to love what He loves and hate what He hates. He most certainly hates what you people stand for. Ah, thatâ€™s better. I had me worried there for a second. </p>
<p>Comment by I-RIGHT-I â€” September 9, 2005 @ 10:23 pm </em></p>
<p>So few KKKhristians, still not enough lions&#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=130909', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Tin Foil Sales</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tin Foil Sales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 18:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Answer: Bill Clinton who was up to his eyeballs in drug smuggling in Arkansas along with his idiot brother. Who sold US State secrets to the Red Chinese and bombed the wrong side in the Balkans. Not to mention the 60 some mysterious deaths of people he had direct contact with not including Ron Brown whom he probably had murdered as well. Iâ€™m up on all the conspiracy shit too loser. 

Comment by I-RIGHT-I â€” September 10, 2005 &lt;/em&gt;





Ooooooooo! Tin Foil Hat!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Answer: Bill Clinton who was up to his eyeballs in drug smuggling in Arkansas along with his idiot brother. Who sold US State secrets to the Red Chinese and bombed the wrong side in the Balkans. Not to mention the 60 some mysterious deaths of people he had direct contact with not including Ron Brown whom he probably had murdered as well. Iâ€™m up on all the conspiracy shit too loser. </p>
<p>Comment by I-RIGHT-I â€” September 10, 2005 </em></p>
<p>Ooooooooo! Tin Foil Hat!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=130906', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: I-RIGHT-I</title>
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		<dc:creator>I-RIGHT-I</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2005 21:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And MrWrong, Next time youâ€™re searching for whoâ€™s evil, ask who sold plutonium reactors, weapons of mass destruction, or funded illegal wars using illegal drug sales to americaâ€™s poor.&quot;

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Answer: Bill Clinton who was up to his eyeballs in drug smuggling in Arkansas along with his idiot brother. Who sold US State secrets to the Red Chinese and bombed the wrong side in the Balkans. Not to mention the 60 some mysterious deaths of people he had direct contact with not including Ron Brown whom he probably had murdered as well. I&#039;m up on all the conspiracy shit too loser.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And MrWrong, Next time youâ€™re searching for whoâ€™s evil, ask who sold plutonium reactors, weapons of mass destruction, or funded illegal wars using illegal drug sales to americaâ€™s poor.&#8221;</p>
<p>comment by Neato</p>
<p>Answer: Bill Clinton who was up to his eyeballs in drug smuggling in Arkansas along with his idiot brother. Who sold US State secrets to the Red Chinese and bombed the wrong side in the Balkans. Not to mention the 60 some mysterious deaths of people he had direct contact with not including Ron Brown whom he probably had murdered as well. I&#8217;m up on all the conspiracy shit too loser.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=130149', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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