Brown Wants a Stiff Drink
By on Sep 9th, 2005 at 3:58 pm
Brown Wants a Stiff Drink
Michael Brown, you just failed to prepare the federal government for one of the greatest natural disasters in U.S. history, you got called out in Time magazine for lying about your qualifications for the job, and you just got demoted by the President of the United States. What are you going to do now?
I’m going to go home and walk my dog and hug my wife and, maybe get a good Mexican meal and a stiff margarita and a full night’s sleep. And then I’m going to go right back to FEMA and continue to do all I can to help these victims.
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Michael “Drownie” Brown is a distraction by a Rove Public Announcement. The attack needs to focus on Why we have ineffectual federal government. It is the ideology pulled out grover’s ass, being fed to America. Their Ideology is the real failure, every thing else is a consequence of this most basic failure. Not that Think Progress is not doing a great job, they are, it our think tanks and leadership that is below the curve.
September 9th, 2005 at 4:16 pmThe victims need a drink. Brownie needs to be shown the door.
September 9th, 2005 at 4:17 pmI think it is going to be more like…
…kick the dog…beat my wife….get sh*t-faced…pass out…wakeup..then go to the office and type up my resignation…
September 9th, 2005 at 4:18 pmI hear people are working on the think tank
problem. About time.
You are right about Grover.
How about this:
“People who hate good government destroy it”
September 9th, 2005 at 4:21 pmI hope people will not sit back and be satisfied with this resignation. He’s the least of them.
September 9th, 2005 at 4:24 pmA hard rain falls and then you fall from grace.
The flag-wavers want God to bless America, but He is content damning murka.
Go figure
September 9th, 2005 at 4:29 pm“People who hate good government destroy itâ€
I like it Afterthought!
We need to sway a majority of Americans to fear republicans, this is as important as telling them why we are the better party. Hardball, our reps need to have disdain in their voices when talking to or about republicans. GOP corruption will kill you if given time.
September 9th, 2005 at 4:30 pmThe people who give high-paying government jobs to their incompetent frat brothers destroy good government.
September 9th, 2005 at 4:34 pmRiddle: What’s worse than Mike Brown heading FEMA?
September 9th, 2005 at 4:36 pmAnswer: Mike Brown heading FEMA with a hangover.
Blamin’ the press…
September 9th, 2005 at 4:36 pm“This story’s about the worst disaster of the history of our country”-Brown
We knew that before he did.
Chertoff has to go. For 2 days he didn’t know about convention center.
September 9th, 2005 at 4:38 pmI’m having a real hard time understanding his attention to the media when clearly he was not watching reports early on(yes, along with Chertoff).
September 9th, 2005 at 4:47 pmACTION ALERT! ACTION ALERT!
Howdy, folks. A few of us at DailyKos.com are trying to get the news programs to interview the Cheney “Go F-ck Yourself” guy. It turns out he’s a very colorful dude, a doctor no less, who both lost his house and gained a baby girl during the storm! Here’s more from my DailyKos post…
…SO LET’S GET DR. BEN MARBLE ON THE AIR!! Get e-mailin’, folks. I’ve pulled the following e-mail addresses off Google, so I DON’T know that they’ll all work, but I’m sure many/most will. I’ve taken the liberty of coming up with a brief sample message, or write your own:
September 9th, 2005 at 4:52 pm**********************
Hello. I would like to know more about the gutsy citizen who told V.P. Dick Cheney to “Go F— Yourself” in Mississippi yesterday. His name is Dr. Ben Marble, an emergency room physician who lives in Gulfport, where Cheney spoke. Dr. Marble, an intriguing personality who also organizes charity fundraisers and plays in a rock band, had lost his home to the flood just days earlier, about the same time his wife gave birth to a baby girl. THIS STORY BEGS TO BE COVERED! I’d love to see your news program interview this colorful individual — apparently he has A LOT to say. His contact info is below. Thank you.
http://www.hurricanekatrinasucked.com
http://www.theharbinger.org/xix/000919/smith.html
*********************
feedback@cnn.com, Sidebar@msnbc.com, viewerservices@msnbc.com, KOlbermann@msnbc.com,
news@msnbc.com, JScarborough@msnbc.com,
lou@cnn.com, evening@cbsnews.com,
nightline@abcnews.com, 60m@cbsnews.com,
dateline@nbc.com, Tucker@msnbc.com,
Paula.Zahn2@cnn.com, newshour@pbs.org,
charlierose@pbs.org,
He didn’t get demoted. He’s still the head of FEMA. Heading up the Katrina cleanup was a short term assignment. All they will do is paint the picture that he did a tremendous job in starting the efforts and now the forces on the ground can handle the day to day issues while Mike goes back to Washington to oversee the “big picture” efforts.
No admission of a problem, no harm done. Politics as usual.
September 9th, 2005 at 5:03 pmNPR is reporting fewer than expected bodies being found. I think this will reflect positively on the Mayor, negatively on the prez.
September 9th, 2005 at 5:04 pmI think we’re being a little harsh on Brownie. Given that today was the crashing end of his career as a political hack who was exposed to the whole world as a career liar and total incompetent who just f**ked up the biggest natural disaster in American history — if I were in his shoes, I’d want a stiff drink too. Maybe two.
September 9th, 2005 at 5:18 pmIt’s Friday, almost quitting time…
I want a stiff drink & a phatty too. Yoo Hoo, weekend, here we come.
Strangely enough, I’m gonna see the New Orleans Radiators at The Great American Music Hall in SF this weekend.
I wonder what they’ll have to say about their home town.
September 9th, 2005 at 5:49 pmYou can expect the Republicans to interpret the lack of bodies as liberals hyping and exaggerating the extent of the hurricane.
Look, the experience of the lead man in the agency is not really that important. It is the ability of that person to appoint, listen to and learn from the experts within and outside the agency.
Brown represents the type of failed CEO thinking that caused Bush to fail in the business world. Bush reminds me of many of the failed CEO’s and senior managers that I encountered in corporate life. They generally were headstrong (actually, quite arrogant), believed that any situation (no matter how bad) could be solved with the right attitude, suppressed dissenting opinions and purposely chose subordinates who would be easily controlled and usually lacking depth and experience. Their thinking process usually consisted of snap judgements based upon simplistic rules of thumb and set beliefs.
September 9th, 2005 at 5:54 pmI don’t know the reason
I stayed here all season
Nothin’ to show but this brand new tattoo
But it’s a real beauty
A Mexican cutie
How it got here I haven’t a clue
. . . But there’s booze in the blender
September 9th, 2005 at 6:01 pmAnd soon it will render
That frozen concoction that helps me hang on
Wait a minute, if Brownie was “doing a good job”, whats the demotion for? People who do good jobs get promoted, right? Oh wait, Condi didn’t read the “Osama determined to attack U.S.” and she got a promotion. I guess its still the perpetual “opposite day” for our insane clown posse.
September 9th, 2005 at 6:42 pmIf by “stiff drink” he means “.45 in the mouth” I’d say he’s right.
September 9th, 2005 at 6:45 pmBrown has NOT been fired, demoted, or admonished. He has simply been removed from the public eye until the firestorm passes… read this passage from the Wash. Post:
“Chertoff explained the recall of Brown and his replacement by Allen as dictated by a move to “the next phase of operations” in the hurricane relief effort. He said the FEMA director needs to be in Washington to carry out broader responsibilities, including potentially managing “other kinds of disasters” and dealing with additional hurricanes.”
He’s still the head of FEMA.
Broader responsibilities? Like what? Protecting us against a terrorist attack?
Bush still refuses to “fire” anyone for screwing up, even if the gaff results in American deaths.
September 9th, 2005 at 7:13 pm21. Hey, I haven’t had a Colt 45 in ages! Are they still brewed?
September 9th, 2005 at 7:19 pmI often wonder if there are 27 very angry Americans who hate President Bush, who venture from blog to blog and recite the same posts. These comments mirror what I’ve been reading on other liberal blogs. Talk about your herd mentality.
Wait! Did I just hear somebody MOO?
September 9th, 2005 at 7:21 pm22. “Bush still refuses to “fire†anyone for screwing up, even if the gaff results in American deaths.”
Hell, the shrub doesn’t make mistakes. Haven’t you been listening?
September 9th, 2005 at 7:21 pm24. Funny, I see the same words – verbatim – on conservative sites. At leaset we have some originality. Did I just hear a “chirp, chirp?”
September 9th, 2005 at 7:22 pmBad muckdog!
September 9th, 2005 at 7:36 pmStop trolling!
Go home!
Gee, if I were him I’d sure want to shoot myself right about now. Imagine, you’ve just sat on your hands or run around flustered unable to do anything while hospitals went without power, thousands stranded for nearly a week. Then the whole world finds out you lied on your resume. I would blame myself for the loss of life. A stiff drink as a prelude to suicide. That’s just what the doctor ordered.
September 9th, 2005 at 7:50 pmAs long as they’re not allowing the media to properly cover the scene on the ground in New Orleans, there is no way in hell I’m going to believe *anything* this administration tells us about body counts or the lack thereof.
They haven’t told us the truth even once in the past five years. If there’s anyone who thinks they’re going to start telling it now — especially with no independent observers looking over their shoulders and holding them accountable — I’ve got some nice swampland in Louisiana to sell you.
September 9th, 2005 at 7:54 pmThey ALWAYS have something to hide, don’t they?
September 9th, 2005 at 7:57 pmCurious that, no?
A guy who has just had a stiff margarita should not be trying to help anyone. . .why wasn’t this guy fired?
September 9th, 2005 at 7:59 pmI feel sorry for the guy at this point (I know — how’s that possible?). I mean, what kind of a complete moron could — after all this — make such a silly statement. Doesn’t he have the mimimal intelligence to simply say “I’m going to go home, remind my wife I love her, and prepare to head back to the office and do my best”? Or is Rove feeding him a script so that he can further come off as a buffoon?
September 9th, 2005 at 8:07 pmWe’ve reached a new pinacle in the American dream – no bad deed should go unrewarded.
September 9th, 2005 at 8:30 pmBrownie, you are the weakest ling, goodbye.
Bush will probably think the pressure is off him now. After all there has been the sacking that the American people have been requesting. The sacrificial lamb has been slain. The patsy has been found, and the right-wingers will be hoping that the left will now leave George W. Bush alone. And let’s not forget that Bush will be hoping to be seen by all Americans, as leader to be counted on in these troubled times for America.
September 9th, 2005 at 8:47 pmLink for Brown’s quote, please.
September 9th, 2005 at 9:34 pmNever mind… found link.
Stupid comment by Brown. Stupid comments seem to be the fad lately.
September 9th, 2005 at 9:35 pmHey, I may be responsible for needless deaths. It’s Margarita time!
September 9th, 2005 at 9:44 pm…And then I’m going to go right back to FEMA and continue to do all I can to help these victims.
Hey Brownie – make sure you give them a kiss first this time.
September 9th, 2005 at 10:04 pmApparently, humility is not among the characteristics of Bush administration staff.
September 9th, 2005 at 10:47 pmHe’ll just go home and tie one on and tomorrow is another day. Cavalier, nonchalant, as if this were a clerical mistake and not a public disaster.
I sure hope that the public is not satisfied with this reassignment; this is corruption and/or ineptitude that permeates the entire administration, and playing musical chairs with the directors is not going to resolve anything.
DC activists planning a 911 katrina protest in front of white house – calling it bushville
September 9th, 2005 at 10:51 pmhttp://www.bushville.org
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Activists_plan_911_Katrin_0909.html
FIRE MIKE BROWN!…He’s a loser and doesn’t deserve a paycheck.
Isn’t it wonderful to know that if we have another emergency he is still the go to guy?
FIRE THE INCOMPETENT MORON!
September 9th, 2005 at 10:55 pmCMW, I suggested to Cindy Sheehan that she bring the displaced Americans to D.C. I don’t know if this was her doing but its great that they are going to bark at the poodle.
September 9th, 2005 at 10:58 pmMr Brown, er, Brownie, your inaction led to needless death and suffering on a massive scale. Babies in incubators without power waited days for you to do something. What’s next?
“First, I’m a gonna git tore up! Then I jes might walk into that office and sez to the guy I sez, “Mister, I’m a all tore up an’ rarin’ to go! So lemme git out der an go save me more o dem babies!”
September 9th, 2005 at 10:59 pmTHis story is pretty scary. Woman in OK describes a FEMA camp being set up that looks like a prison for NO people. She includes pictures.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/fema.html
September 9th, 2005 at 11:11 pmcynical ex-hippie, first paragraph, you just described Saddam Hussien as he has been described to us.
September 9th, 2005 at 11:17 pmIf you show at the Freedom walk on sunday without registering first you will be arrested. Hurray for freedom!
http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0905/258737.html
September 9th, 2005 at 11:22 pmDave (#16) —- Funny. He’ll probably want to mix in a little arsenic so he won’t have to go through any further humiliation. How did this guy summon the nerve to say what he said on camera? Talk about chutzpah.
September 9th, 2005 at 11:23 pmcmw, I noticed that too. But I am relaying what was described to me from people who deal directly with the AHA.
Chillingly ironic, isn’t it? Like using similar interrogation techniques at Abu Ghraib. Or, considering the long Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Saddam history, maybe not ironic, just chilling.
September 9th, 2005 at 11:23 pmsorry that was to susan, not cmw
September 9th, 2005 at 11:24 pmBrownie needs a stiff drink and a swift kick in the ass.
September 9th, 2005 at 11:47 pmThe whole bunch is corrupt…..and it takes generations to breed people like them:
“Bush – Nazi Dealings Continued Until 1951†– Federal Documents
By John Buchanan and Stacey Michael
from The New Hampshire Gazette Vol. 248, No. 3, November 7, 2003
After the seizures in late 1942 of five U.S. enterprises he managed on behalf of Nazi industrialist Fritz Thyssen, Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, failed to divest himself of more than a dozen “enemy national” relationships that continued until as late as 1951, newly-discovered U.S. government documents reveal.
Furthermore, the records show that Bush and his colleagues routinely attempted to conceal their activities from government investigators.
Bush’s partners in the secret web of Thyssen-controlled ventures included former New York Governor W. Averell Harriman and his younger brother, E. Roland Harriman. Their quarter-century of Nazi financial transactions, from 1924-1951, were conducted by the New York private banking firm, Brown Brothers Harriman.
The White House did not return phone calls seeking comment.
Although the additional seizures under the Trading with the Enemy Act did not take place until after the war, documents from The National Archives and Library of Congress confirm that Bush and his partners continued their Nazi dealings unabated. These activities included a financial relationship with the German city of Hanover and several industrial concerns. They went undetected by investigators until after World War Two.
At the same time Bush and the Harrimans were profiting from their Nazi partnerships, W. Averell Harriman was serving as President Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s personal emissary to the United Kingdom during the toughest years of the war. On October 28, 1942, the same day two key Bush-Harriman-run businesses were being seized by the U.S. government, Harriman was meeting in London with Field Marshall Smuts to discuss the war effort.
Denial and Deceit
While Harriman was concealing his Nazi relationships from his government colleagues, Cornelius Livense, the top executive of the interlocking German concerns held under the corporate umbrella of Union Banking Corporation (UBC), repeatedly tried to mislead investigators, and was sometimes supported in his subterfuge by Brown Brothers Harriman.
All of the assets of UBC and its related businesses belonged to Thyssen-controlled enterprises, including his Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart in Rotterdam, the documents state.
Nevertheless, Livense, president of UBC, claimed to have no knowledge of such a relationship. “Strangely enough, (Livense) claims he does not know the actual ownership of the company,” states a government report.
H.D Pennington, manager of Brown Brothers Harriman and a director of UBC “for many years,” also lied to investigators about the secret and well-concealed relationship with Thyssen’s Dutch bank, according to the documents.
Investigators later reported that the company was “wholly owned” by Thyssen’s Dutch bank.
Despite such ongoing subterfuge, U.S. investigators were able to show that “a careful examination of UBC’s general ledger, cash books and journals from 1919 until the present date clearly establish that the principal and practically only source of funds has been Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart.”
In yet another attempt to mislead investigators, Livense said that $240,000 in banknotes in a safe deposit box at Underwriters Trust Co. in New York had been given to him by another UBC-Thyssen associate, H.J. Kouwenhoven, managing director of Thyssen’s Dutch bank and a director of the August Thyssen Bank in Berlin. August Thyssen was Fritz’s father.
The government report shows that Livense first neglected to report the $240,000, then claimed that it had been given to him as a gift by Kouwenhoven. However, by the time Livense filed a financial disclosure with U.S. officials, he changed his story again and reported the sum as a debt rather than a cash holding.
In yet another attempt to deceive the governments of both the U.S. and Canada, Livense and his partners misreported the facts about the sale of a Canadian Nazi front enterprise, La Cooperative Catholique des Consommateurs de Combustible, which imported German coal into Canada via the web of Thyssen-controlled U.S. businesses.
“The Canadian authorities, however, were not taken in by this maneuver,” a U.S. government report states. The coal company was later seized by Canadian authorities.
After the war, a total of 18 additional Brown Brothers Harriman and UBC-related client assets were seized under The Trading with the Enemy Act, including several that showed the continuation of a relationship with the Thyssen family after the initial 1942 seizures.
The records also show that Bush and the Harrimans conducted business after the war with related concerns doing business in or moving assets into Switzerland, Panama, Argentina and Brazil – all critical outposts for the flight of Nazi capital after Germany’s surrender in 1945. Fritz Thyssen died in Argentina in 1951.
One of the final seizures, in October 1950, concerned the U.S. assets of a Nazi baroness named Theresia Maria Ida Beneditka Huberta Stanislava Martina von Schwarzenberg, who also used two shorter aliases. Brown Brothers Harriman, where Prescott Bush and the Harrimans were partners, attempted to convince government investigators that the baroness had been a victim of Nazi persecution and therefore should be allowed to maintain her assets.
“It appears, rather, that the subject was a member of the Nazi party,” government investigators concluded.
At the same time the last Brown Brothers Harriman client assets were seized, Prescott Bush announced his Senate campaign that led to his election in 1952.
Investigation Investigated?
In 1943, six months after the seizure of UBC and its related companies, a government investigator noted in a Treasury Department memo dated April 8, 1943 that the FBI had inquired about the status of any investigation into Bush and the Harrimans.
“I gave ‘a memorandum’ which did not say anything about the American officers of subject,” the investigator wrote. “(Another investigator) wanted to know whether any specific action had been taken by us with respect to them.”
No further action beyond the initial seizures was ever taken, and the newly-confirmed records went unseen by the American people for six decades.
What Does It All Mean?
So why are the documents relevant today?
“The story of Prescott Bush and Brown Brothers Harriman is an introduction to the real history of our country,” says L.A. art book publisher and historian Edward Boswell. “It exposes the money-making motives behind our foreign policies, dating back a full century. The ability of Prescott Bush and the Harrimans to bury their checkered pasts also reveals a collusion between Wall Street and the media that exists to this day.”
Sheldon Drobny, a Chicago entrepreneur and philanthropist who will soon launch a liberal talk radio network, says the importance of the new documents is that they prove a long pattern of Bush family war profiteering that continues today via George H.W. Bush’s intimate relationship with the Saudi royal family and the bin Ladens, conducted via the super-secret Carlyle Group, whose senior advisers include former U.S. Secretary of State James A. Baker III.
In the post-9/11 world, Drobny finds the Bush-Saudi connection deeply troubling. “Trading with the enemy is trading with the enemy,” he says. “That’s the relevance of the documents and what they show.”
Lawrence Lader, an abortion rights activist and the author of more than 40 books, says “the relevance lies with the fact that the sitting President of the United States would lead the nation to war based on lies and against the wishes of the rest of the world.” Lader and others draw comparisons between President Bush’s invasion of Iraq and Hitler’s occupation of Poland in 1939 – the event that sparked World War Two.
However, others see an even larger significance.
“The discovery of the Bush-Nazi documents raises new questions about the role of Prescott Bush and his influential business partners in the secret emigration of Nazi war criminals, which allowed them to escape justice in Germany,” says Bob Fertik, co-founder of Democrats.com and an amateur ‘Nazi hunter.’ “It also raises questions about the importance of Nazi recruits to the CIA in its early years, in what was called Operation Paperclip, and Prescott Bush’s role in that dark operation.”
Fertik and others, including former Justice Department Nazi war crimes prosecutor John Loftus, a Constitutional attorney in Miami, and a former Veterans Administration official, believe Prescott Bush and the Harrimans should have been tried for treason.
What Next?
Now, say Fertik and Loftus, there should be a Congressional investigation into the Bush family’s Nazi past and its concealment from the American people for 60 years.
“The American people have a right to know, in detail, about this hidden chapter of our history,” says Loftus, author of The Secret War Against the Jews. “That’s the only way we can understand it and deal with it.”
For his part, Fertik is pessimistic that even a Congressional investigation can thwart the war profiteering of the present Bush White House. “It’s impossible to stop it,” he says, “when the worst war profiteers are George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, who operate in secrecy behind the vast powers of the White House.”
—
John Buchanan is a journalist and magazine writer based in Miami Beach. He can be reached by e-mail at jtwg@bellsouth.net.
Stacey Michael is a New Orleans-based journalist and the author of Religious Conceit. His most recent book is Weapons of Mass Dysfunction: The Art of “Faith-Based” Politics, due in early 2004. He can be reached by email at staceymichael@religiousconceit.com.
September 10th, 2005 at 12:20 amIt wasn’t the President that demoted him, it was Chertoff.
September 10th, 2005 at 1:25 amWhy is Margarita stiff did he kill her too?
Margarita if you are still alive “RUN”
September 10th, 2005 at 1:31 amFunny…Chris Matthews ended his show today with almost those same words….Must be a rightwing talking point.
September 10th, 2005 at 2:27 amoOPS, we managed to take the press fully off of Rove/Treason with this unfortunate (sarcasm) Karina event.
(I know the name of the hurricane …. but some don’t)
do you know who some are?
September 10th, 2005 at 4:10 amDon’t forget “I’m going to collect a paycheck”, something he absolutely should not be doing, at least not funded by you and me. He should be working at Wal-Mart.
September 10th, 2005 at 8:32 amHey MUCKDOG, have you given up on farm animals? Now screwing mans best friend I see.
September 10th, 2005 at 10:36 amHa ha plunger, if everyone associated with Bush took steps to “avoid the appearance of conflict” how would they make a lucrative living?
September 10th, 2005 at 10:42 amPlunger
September 10th, 2005 at 12:02 pmIt’s unclear in your text whether Michael Chertoff has dual US-Israeli citizenship, his wife has, or both have? Could you clarify.
Also Plunger
Did you see the story about what has the appearance of a detainment camp being set up in OKlahoma by FEMA for storm victims? Could there be a link there to Israeli security firms?
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/fema.html
September 10th, 2005 at 12:05 pmKJ Lovell
September 10th, 2005 at 12:11 pmIt has also been shown that one of the companies owned by UBC/Thyssen and managed by Prescott Bush was the Silesian Mining company, located in Poland, it became part of the Aushwitz concentration camp complex – while Bush was a managing agent at UBC.
Plunger
September 10th, 2005 at 12:17 pmIt appears that Chertoff was born in Elizabeth NJ but somehow holds dual citizenship by virtue of Israeli citizenship laws. Not clear what that means.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Chertoff
Another interesting piece about Chertoff when he was head of the Justice Dept criminal division in 2001 – his efforts to suppress John Walker Lindh’s testimony on torture at Guantanamo.
http://www.thenation.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20050214&s=lindorff
September 10th, 2005 at 12:20 pmNice priorities.
September 10th, 2005 at 1:44 pm1 dog
2 wife
3 belly
4 rest
5 hurricane victims
Whew! I misread the headline.
I thought it said Mike Brown wanted a “stiff dink” — which actually wouldn’t surprise me.
September 10th, 2005 at 1:48 pmAnother interesting piece about Chertoff – his efforts to suppress John Walker Lindh’s testimony on torture at Guantanamo.
-comment by CreepyMidgetWuss
Who cares what a SFB (shit for brains) Left Wing Muslim Convert Traitor has to say about Club Gitmo? I mean really? They flushed my Koran? Put bacon bits on my salad? Had the arrows pointing to Salt Lake City instead of Mecca? What? Our guys should have shot him in the head the minute they found him fighting for our enemy. That’s the way it’s done. I mean, he is a traitor, right?
September 10th, 2005 at 5:19 pmIRightI
September 10th, 2005 at 5:54 pmYou ought to know what it takes to be a traitor
IRightI
September 10th, 2005 at 5:56 pmA traitor is someone who works to undermine the security of the Country. I think Bush, Rumsfeld, CHeney, Rice, Brown, Chertoff all fit under that sobriquet, and sounds like you do too IRightI. So tell us more about being a traitor
#66,
September 10th, 2005 at 6:06 pmHe must have mixed up his dog and his wife – I think he meant to walk his wife and hug his dog.
“Left Wing Muslim Convert Traitor”
Muslim terrorists are right wing like you MrWrong. The reason you fear them, is because you know they’re as dangerous as your own twisted head… Frankly your rhetoric sounds just like the mullahs, and is just as freaky and irrational… You’re a nut job, just like the muslim terrorist – you’re just a christian terrorist.
September 10th, 2005 at 6:24 pmcmw,
Thanks for your clarification on what is a traitor. To me a traitor is a political party that would fund and train alqueda – and who might that party be? Oh that’s right – the REPUBLICANS. They walk to talk about being soft on terrorism – and yet they continually create, fund and train the very terrorist organizations that attacked america. Even if the lies about democratic presidents were true and they ‘did nothing’ to stop terror, at least they didn’t CREATE the terrorist organizations we now must deal with. Nor did they sell the WMDs to Iraq and Iran – which were in fact AMERICAN supplied to those countries by republican presidents. Folks like MrWrong like to propagandize about being a traitor, and yet they and their party continue to sell out, undermine, and threaten the security and lives of americans daily. They are the threat. They are the fascists. They are the radicals. They are the traitors.
September 10th, 2005 at 7:17 pmcmw, I believe it was also prescott that decided to fire the workers and replace them with slave labor from Auswitz.
I have done quite a bit of research on the entire family. It is very interesting reading.
paperclip in particular. grave robbing. blood money from WWII, blind trusts, money laundering you name it.
September 10th, 2005 at 9:17 pmThe curator of the Florida Holocaust museum has provided lots of information on them.
Side note: ever wonder why so much gold here in the U.S. has traces of mercury in it?
September 10th, 2005 at 9:19 pm#75 – KJ, gold is very malleable. That’s why gold leaf can be spread like paint, or actually like water. Gold coatings can be spread a few atoms deep. And that is the reason that gold was the first choice of dentists in the late 1800’s and early 1900’s. They hammered the stuff in and shaped the residue. Mercury/silver mixtures came into play in the mid 1920’s when dentists discovered that they had access to a cold cure alloy that they could mold like cement.
September 10th, 2005 at 11:48 pmWe have visiting relatives from Florida. They are so blinded by the right — so proud of Bush — that they are making me sick. We had to stop talking politics before we stopped talking at all.
September 11th, 2005 at 12:18 amWhat is wrong with people when they believe what they are told and they don’t believe their own eyes.
They are worse off today than they were five years ago, but they are just too brainwashed by their favorite Fox News channel.
I see you know too. Glad to see not everyone was asleep this last 70 or so years.
September 11th, 2005 at 12:18 am#78 was to walttheman.
Marie, go to FL with them and take them to the museum, maybe then. Or, while they are there do a search on “bush family values”…. that might wake them from their sleep. Don’t give up. Show them some info on scull and bones… I have some links if it will help.
September 11th, 2005 at 12:22 amMarie,
It’s similar to stories I was told about nazi germany. People had the same reaction to hitler that these poor saps you talk about have for bush. It’s the cult of the personality and the ‘authoritarian father figure’ who tells them if they do what they’re told they’ll be safe and he’ll love them. It’s a kind of collective psychosis. They have chosen at some level to disable the part of their brain that is both adult and rational and are behaving more like the ’sheeple’ that savage and other reichwingers claim liberals to be. CONservatives have a habit (just like fascist/nazis did) of conveniently reversing the truth – this is no different…
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