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]]> By: JJW http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/16/the-mike-brown-of-climate-change/comment-page-2/#comment-154901 JJW Fri, 30 Sep 2005 22:04:55 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1882#comment-154901 Whitehouse-commissioned National Academy of Science (NAS) study on human-induced climate change: 1st sentence: "Greenhouse gases are accumulating in Earth's atmosphere as a result of human activities, causing surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures to rise. Temperatures are, in fact, rising." http://www.heatisonline.org/contentserver/objecthandlers/index.cfm?id=3713&method=full Page of "signature studies" indicating that human-induced climate change is real: http://www.heatisonline.org/contentserver/objecthandlers/index.cfm?id=3458&method=full Whitehouse-commissioned National Academy of Science (NAS) study on human-induced climate change:

1st sentence: “Greenhouse gases are accumulating in Earth’s atmosphere as a result of human activities, causing surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures to rise. Temperatures are, in fact, rising.”

http://www.heatisonline.org/contentserver/objecthandlers/index.cfm?id=3713&method=full

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]]> By: Marie http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/16/the-mike-brown-of-climate-change/comment-page-2/#comment-139253 Marie Mon, 19 Sep 2005 04:01:02 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1882#comment-139253 #69, Thanks, Ryan. I think I do my part as voting judge to see that voting is fair, but I can only hope nothing illegal happens. (We HAVE seen our strong R. area swing to upper-40's toward D. so I am somewhat assured that at least my little corner is doing OK -- next time it should be in the 50's). We must work toward non-electronic balloting nationwide. I have also thought about your scenario for Louisiana. #70, Great retort to a nut case. The nuts will not be swayed, but your points will benefit others. #69, Thanks, Ryan. I think I do my part as voting judge to see that voting is fair, but I can only hope nothing illegal happens. (We HAVE seen our strong R. area swing to upper-40’s toward D. so I am somewhat assured that at least my little corner is doing OK — next time it should be in the 50’s). We must work toward non-electronic balloting nationwide.
I have also thought about your scenario for Louisiana.
#70, Great retort to a nut case. The nuts will not be swayed, but your points will benefit others.

]]> By: Ryan Neat http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/16/the-mike-brown-of-climate-change/comment-page-2/#comment-139173 Ryan Neat Sun, 18 Sep 2005 22:58:25 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1882#comment-139173 "On Lies? How about CLINTON. Gimme a break! " If you think someone not wanting their personal life being dragged out into the public is equivalent to fabricating an international war based on lies - then you're just a blithering idiot! You guys all talk about 'morals' and 'what about the children', and yet Clinton wasn't parading in front of the children with this 'immorality', it took the REPUBLICANS to do this. It would be equivalent of you showing porn on the nightly news so children could see - and accusing the porn makers of corrupting minors! You guys are just nuts! And did I mention hypocritical idiots? “On Lies? How about CLINTON.
Gimme a break! ”

If you think someone not wanting their personal life being dragged out into the public is equivalent to fabricating an international war based on lies – then you’re just a blithering idiot! You guys all talk about ‘morals’ and ‘what about the children’, and yet Clinton wasn’t parading in front of the children with this ‘immorality’, it took the REPUBLICANS to do this. It would be equivalent of you showing porn on the nightly news so children could see – and accusing the porn makers of corrupting minors!

You guys are just nuts! And did I mention hypocritical idiots?

]]> By: Ryan Neat http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/16/the-mike-brown-of-climate-change/comment-page-2/#comment-139170 Ryan Neat Sun, 18 Sep 2005 22:55:50 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1882#comment-139170 Marie, The paperless voting machines are the ones that are the most susceptible because they can't be cross checked - but the diebold 'tally machine' is also susceptible. What that means is that if you have a shady elections official he can change the numbers even though there are printed copies that would prove this false. This also happened in many states as well unfortunately. The only states that didn't appear to have significant voter fraud in 2004 were Arizona, Colorado, Louisiana, Michigan, Iowa, New Mexico, Maine, Nevada, Arkansas and Missouri And how much do you want to bet that part of the upgrade to louisiana includes the new fangled electronic voting machines that suddenly swings louisiana republican? And they'll use the miserable excuse of 'well we handled katrina so well', and the mainstream press will never bother to question their propaganda... You're right we should press for no electronic only machines - but we should also press for tally machines that cannot be tampered with! And that would require diebold to do the right thing - and we all know that this isn't going to happen! Unfortunately the reichwingers are taking all of the duped conservatives, and everyone else on a ride down the lane of fascism. And many of them are either so convinced that they are winning that the refuse to accept the reality that they're really just stealing. Bush's approval rating clearly shows most americans do not agree with him or his direction - and yet if they steal 2006 the idiots (and their troll soldiers) will find some way to rationalize this theft to themselves as the 'right thing'. They honestly believe the ends justify the means - so stealing the election in order to accomplish their goals is 'ok'... They are the most unamerican generation this country has ever raised! Marie,

The paperless voting machines are the ones that are the most susceptible because they can’t be cross checked – but the diebold ‘tally machine’ is also susceptible. What that means is that if you have a shady elections official he can change the numbers even though there are printed copies that would prove this false. This also happened in many states as well unfortunately.

The only states that didn’t appear to have significant voter fraud in 2004 were Arizona, Colorado, Louisiana, Michigan, Iowa, New Mexico, Maine, Nevada, Arkansas and Missouri

And how much do you want to bet that part of the upgrade to louisiana includes the new fangled electronic voting machines that suddenly swings louisiana republican? And they’ll use the miserable excuse of ‘well we handled katrina so well’, and the mainstream press will never bother to question their propaganda…

You’re right we should press for no electronic only machines – but we should also press for tally machines that cannot be tampered with! And that would require diebold to do the right thing – and we all know that this isn’t going to happen!

Unfortunately the reichwingers are taking all of the duped conservatives, and everyone else on a ride down the lane of fascism. And many of them are either so convinced that they are winning that the refuse to accept the reality that they’re really just stealing.

Bush’s approval rating clearly shows most americans do not agree with him or his direction – and yet if they steal 2006 the idiots (and their troll soldiers) will find some way to rationalize this theft to themselves as the ‘right thing’. They honestly believe the ends justify the means – so stealing the election in order to accomplish their goals is ‘ok’… They are the most unamerican generation this country has ever raised!

]]> By: kjlovell http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/16/the-mike-brown-of-climate-change/comment-page-2/#comment-138707 kjlovell Sun, 18 Sep 2005 18:29:10 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1882#comment-138707 Everyone in the country knows inhoff is a nut job. Everyone in the country knows inhoff is a nut job.

]]> By: Jolly Roger http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/16/the-mike-brown-of-climate-change/comment-page-2/#comment-138479 Jolly Roger Sun, 18 Sep 2005 13:16:09 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1882#comment-138479 To Marie: TED KENNEDY. On Lies? How about CLINTON. Gimme a break! To Marie:

TED KENNEDY.

On Lies? How about CLINTON.

Gimme a break!

]]> By: Jolly Roger http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/16/the-mike-brown-of-climate-change/comment-page-2/#comment-138477 Jolly Roger Sun, 18 Sep 2005 13:14:18 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1882#comment-138477 To Pablo: Who the heck cares what you think. You're from Mexico. You got your own problems. Kerry would have set this nation back 200 years. You want him, you can have him, along with Edwards. To Pablo: Who the heck cares what you think. You’re from Mexico. You got your own problems. Kerry would have set this nation back 200 years. You want him, you can have him, along with Edwards.

]]> By: Marie http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/16/the-mike-brown-of-climate-change/comment-page-2/#comment-138330 Marie Sun, 18 Sep 2005 03:24:27 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1882#comment-138330 Ryan, I have a question -- in my state, we use a scanning machine. I have been an election judge several times, and I don't see - on the surface - how those votes might be jiggered. I have asked at training sessions, but of course, they tell me only how secure they are. I am under the impression that it is the paperless votes that are the susceptible ones. Is that correct? If so, then we must demand that paperless votes be illegal. Ryan,
I have a question — in my state, we use a scanning machine. I have been an election judge several times, and I don’t see – on the surface – how those votes might be jiggered. I have asked at training sessions, but of course, they tell me only how secure they are.
I am under the impression that it is the paperless votes that are the susceptible ones. Is that correct? If so, then we must demand that paperless votes be illegal.

]]> By: duus http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/16/the-mike-brown-of-climate-change/comment-page-2/#comment-138092 duus Sat, 17 Sep 2005 18:18:10 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1882#comment-138092 uh cynical ex-hippie basically said what i said, sorry about that. uh cynical ex-hippie basically said what i said, sorry about that.

]]> By: duus http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/16/the-mike-brown-of-climate-change/comment-page-2/#comment-138087 duus Sat, 17 Sep 2005 18:05:58 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=1882#comment-138087 <i>francis</i> said something about already having lost the race against global warming. We don't really know that, but that comment, i think, speaks to a deep unknowability about this whole enterprise. On a fundamental level, there is no proper experiment that can be run. There are two alternatives: 1) we curb our environmental excesses, avoid some major problems, and never really know what would have happened 2) we don't, and we find out that in fact, it is true that we could have katrina-level hurricanes buffeting the united states every day for the rest of our lives and watch thousands die daily until the human race is completely wiped out. There is no mystery that the experiment cannot be run. Anyone who argues against being concerned about global warming cannot, in good faith, ignore this fundamental unknowability. Is it true that the human race really could make the earth completely unlivable by accident? Well, we'll <i>never</i> have compelling evidence that it is <i>impossible</i>. We can only have evidence that it is possible...and that evidence will come in the form of the one observation we have in this data set: the actual earth. The conservative requirement of constantly ratcheting up the requirements for what counts as "compelling" evidence on the world-wide level that global warming is having real effects is disingenous for this fundemental reason. francis said something about already having lost the race against global warming. We don’t really know that, but that comment, i think, speaks to a deep unknowability about this whole enterprise. On a fundamental level, there is no proper experiment that can be run. There are two alternatives:

1) we curb our environmental excesses, avoid some major problems, and never really know what would have happened

2) we don’t, and we find out that in fact, it is true that we could have katrina-level hurricanes buffeting the united states every day for the rest of our lives and watch thousands die daily until the human race is completely wiped out.

There is no mystery that the experiment cannot be run. Anyone who argues against being concerned about global warming cannot, in good faith, ignore this fundamental unknowability. Is it true that the human race really could make the earth completely unlivable by accident? Well, we’ll never have compelling evidence that it is impossible. We can only have evidence that it is possible…and that evidence will come in the form of the one observation we have in this data set: the actual earth.

The conservative requirement of constantly ratcheting up the requirements for what counts as “compelling” evidence on the world-wide level that global warming is having real effects is disingenous for this fundemental reason.

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