Rush on Katrina: “We Can Make This a Category 5 Hurricane Destruction of the Left”
Rush on Katrina: “We Can Make This a Category 5 Hurricane Destruction of the Left”
Some left-of-center pundits offered strong praise for President Bush’s speech on Katrina last week:
Donna Brazile: “On Thursday night, after watching him speak from the heart, I could not have been prouder of the president and the plan he outlined. … It is unprecedented in its scope and ambition.” [Washington Post, 9/16/05]
Alan Colmes: “I thought that he sounded like FDR and I thought he sounded like LBJ.” [Fox News, 9/15/05]
These comments were premature to begin with, since the speech contained very few details. But they were also misguided: the ideas Bush did present were right out of the Heritage Foundation’s “manifesto on post-Katrina policy,” a recipe for turning the Gulf Coast into a right-wing ideological playground.
Rush Limbaugh knows what’s going on. On Friday’s program, Rush said:
The president said we tried it your way for 60 years; we’re going to do it my way now. He didn’t put it in those words but there’s plenty of conservative policy in his speech last night in terms of how to go about spending this money and rebuilding it. And you’re going to see these policies, these philosophies, put into place. They’ve worked in other places. Enterprise zone, for example, that’s going to be targeted here in this region. …
The speech was great last night, within, you know, the limitations that we know exist. The table is set for a complete rout of the American left. They can be blown away. We can make this a Category 5 hurricane destruction of the left if this is done right. …
[T]he one thing that [the left] cannot risk is an on-site display and illustration of conservatism working. As long they can keep conservatism as something that’s just argued about, and just something that’s spoken about, talked about, “Well, they don’t fear it that much.”
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Ideological playground. I loke that — good, repeatable phrase like “blame game” that will stick in people’s heads.
September 19th, 2005 at 11:26 am‘Like’ I meant – haha.
September 19th, 2005 at 11:26 amI’m not sure a Cat 5 hurricane could persuade Rush to get his ass out of the jacuzzi in Florida. “One more snort! One more snoorrrtt!!”
September 19th, 2005 at 11:29 amRush’s comments employed some of the most tortured logic seen my modern man, particularly when he characterized the destruction of NO as being a condemnation of liberalism.
That said, I fear that he is correct about the intention to rebuild it in a conservative mold. Why else put Rove in charge?
September 19th, 2005 at 11:30 amKarl Rove is in charge and Brazile and Combes are being played for suckers. These guys play hardball people. Don’t get fooled again.
September 19th, 2005 at 11:31 amAt a risk of sounding politically incorrect, who gives a F*%& what this fatass, blowhard, drug-addicted, lying scumbag has to say? He’s a moron and his ditto-headed listeners are too.
September 19th, 2005 at 11:38 am(Insert druge joke here)…. because he is obviously high on some narcotic being that all polling data from all polling outlets show that the Dems have gained by HUGE margins in this past year. Social security, energy, IRAQ, education, taxes, the budget, and so on…
Also the “generic congressional ballots” have got to be scaring the GOP to death. Rush is months away from seeing the death of an ideology but it ain’t going to to be the one he hopes for!
September 19th, 2005 at 11:40 amNo word in this blog about how Cindy is now demanding that Sen. Clinton withdraw support for Iraq war or else. Also, she will be protesting with the commies on the 24th. Gee, interesting how the left has dropped her faster than a J. Lo marriage. Probably because she is a left-wing nutjob who will out the left wing bloggers as the America haters that they are.
I warned you people. Please don’t cry when we wrap nutty Sheehan around your neck!! lol!!
September 19th, 2005 at 11:42 am“[T]he one thing that [the left] cannot risk is an on-site display and illustration of conservatism working.”
…I thought the federal response to Katrina WAS a display of conservatism “working.” Just as the Iraq debacle, the politicization of the FDA, the bankruptcy bill, etc., etc. are examples of how modern conservatism has made the destruction of the government (and its ability to protect the people) its singular focus, ahead of such minor details as competent management and thoughtful policy-making. If you want to drown something in the bathtub (thanks for that nice image, Grover Nordquist), you don’t need to be bothered with worrying about whether it actually works or not.
September 19th, 2005 at 11:44 amDeegahl – we haven’t engaged you folks yet. When we get in the mud with you, those numbers will tighten. Democrats are not the only ones who get to smear their opponents. We will say nasty things about you just you said about the President. The only difference, people will be listening in the fall of 2006.
September 19th, 2005 at 11:45 amDonna finally jumped the shark.
September 19th, 2005 at 11:51 am[T]he one thing that [the left] cannot risk is an on-site display and illustration of conservatism working.
Fortunately for us, the odds of seeing that are somewhere around the chances of a verifiable Elvis or Bigfoot sighting.
September 19th, 2005 at 11:51 amPuss gut limberger lives in a reality all his own.
September 19th, 2005 at 11:52 amNED,
I have to ask, is it just about winning, being on the winning side with you? Like a prolonged game where the Dodgers beat the Braves every time out or something?
Tell me, please, how has your life directly, improved during this administration? At a macro level, tell me how things have improved in the country? How do you see the future for your kids if you should have any? Do you see things getting better? Tell us, I’m sure we’d all love to hear why things are looking so bright for the future under this administration?
September 19th, 2005 at 11:53 am“[T]he one thing that [the left] cannot risk is an on-site display and illustration of conservatism working.”
Bring it on. It hasn’t worked for anyone except corporate interests and Bushco so far.
September 19th, 2005 at 11:54 am#10 NED We are only doing what you did to Clinton for eight years. Bush and his cronies are going down before 2008 and the dems will be in control again and you can cry in your beer. You are a disgusting person. Why don’t you go back to your rightwing blog?
September 19th, 2005 at 11:54 amWhatever DilEnema. I hope you remembered to wipe after spraying that crap on this page. Try getting more fiber in your diet, will you?
September 19th, 2005 at 11:55 amEcho #6…he’s just selling tickets, he’ll say anything to get attention. It all about ‘RATINGS’ folks.
September 19th, 2005 at 11:58 amRUSH WAS WRONG…LOLOLOL
It’s not winning. ImpeachBush – it’s about saving this country from those who do not LOVE it. If liberals get back in power, it will send a message of weakness to the world – we will be fighting about Gitmo and Abu ghraib of all things.
I want my children to grow up in a country where “Under God” is not considered offensive. Where Hollywood is relevant for entertainment and nothing else. Where our leaders love our country – don’t slander it at every corner. Liberals will not give us that and that is why they are slowly dying. Democrats will NOT get back in power next year. Trust me.
September 19th, 2005 at 12:03 pm#18
September 19th, 2005 at 12:04 pmI agree, he’s kind of like a right wing shock jock.
Fine NED, you have a social agenda which you feel the right can deliver on for you.
But what about economically? How has this administration benefited the country from an economic point of view? Are we better off as a nation financially?
September 19th, 2005 at 12:11 pmUnspeakable rape and torture of minors happen “under your god”, NED.
September 19th, 2005 at 12:12 pmI think you are a confused, angry, scared person.
I have an issue with spending. We do not need a $700 billion pres drug plan. I am pro-tax cuts – they work. Pre-Katrina, unemployment fell to 4.9% and increased tax receipts from economic growth were slashing deficit predictions. That all changes now that Bush feels the need to cater to a group of people that hate him anyway.
The lying liberal media has painted a false economic picture. They did it with Reagan and with Clinton.
September 19th, 2005 at 12:15 pmBrian – stop slandering the military. It’s disgusting.
September 19th, 2005 at 12:16 pmI don’t think the NON drug-addicted Rush listener realizes that his thoughts seem cogent because they have the energy and dedication of a compulsive personality (who is also addicted to mind altering substances).
September 19th, 2005 at 12:20 pm#19 NED I would not trust you as far as I can see you.
September 19th, 2005 at 12:22 pmThe Republicans are only for the rich and are not in touch with the real American of this country.
You are totally WRONG WRONG WRONG!!! Go back to your right wing blog.
Don’t take the troll bait.
September 19th, 2005 at 12:24 pmI’ll tell you what he will say so he can go back to work and make money. NeDisms we love so:
-We win you lose;
-You hate this country we love this country;
-We will destroy you (he likes the thought of destruction);
-You are losers we are winners;
-Blatherings about how he hates Cindy and will destroy her;
-He likes the word invective;
-He not only loves America he LOVES America (this is NeD trying too hard to give himself a reason to hate so much – infuse the word LOVE – weak, really);
-If all else fails, it’s Clinton’s and Gore’s fault;
-He types LOL a lot (you can picture him sitting at his tiny desk laughing hysterically as the polls plumit);
-He likes to use the popular 80s reference to commies;
-Sometimes he gets even more over the deep end and mentions Chappaquidick (this only comes out when he is really desperate); and, the ever popular
-You are weak (he speaks of weakness a whole lot more than a person without a compensation issue would)
That’s about it – nothing else to say.
Your military has lost control to the death squads.
September 19th, 2005 at 12:26 pmSlander is the least of their problems. Their weakness is their support by people like you, NED.
Cindy Sheehan: An American mother of a fallen hero speaking out against a poorly justified, poorly planned and poorly carried out war that is plummeting in popularity…
Heck, I’ll wear that around my neck. It’d be quite fashionable in November of 2006.
And NED, tax cuts only works in certain circumstances and to certain people. Cutting taxes for the rich does nothing because they already have a large amount of disposable income; a few thousand more just means more $ in their saving account. Cutting taxes for the poor helps because they will spend the money (or save it for a rainy day, lessening their dependence on government programs like Medicare), putting it back into the economy, helping it grow. I encourage you to take a basic macroeconomic class so that you may see how your statement “tax cuts – they work” is a half-truth.
September 19th, 2005 at 12:26 pmOf course the sad part is, like every other Bush effort, this will doubtlessly screw up. Ideology rarely survives an encounter with reality.
So, when this fails, as it inevitably will, we’ll watch people say it wasn’t conservative ENOUGH.
September 19th, 2005 at 12:28 pmprogressive and proud,
You forgot one. NED will soon be saying civil war was the unofficial desired result in Iraq. And make no mistake, THERE IS A CIVIL WAR IN IRAQ.
September 19th, 2005 at 12:30 pmCan we all agree that only the most ignorant, hate-filled and/or deluded Americans take Rush Limbaugh seriously? He’s a cartoon character at this point in a mold similar to (as someone said earlier in this thread) Howard Stern.
The nails are already in Rush’s coffin, reality ought to hammer them home within the next few months.
September 19th, 2005 at 12:44 pmIt isn’t a different political “mold” or view that’s going to make our world better. Hell, making the country conservative OR liberal won’t do anything to bring us out of the darkness we’ve fallen into. New programs, laws, Chief Justices. . .none of this matters. What we need is a new vision, a new way of looking at the world. After all, we can’t readily pass laws to prevent hurricanes, now can we?
September 19th, 2005 at 12:45 pmNED proves consistently that there is a lower form of humanity and culture alive and well here in the United States. One that is spoon fed by the likes of Rush, Hannity, Coulter and Co. One that believes that Saddam personally piloted a 747 into the Trade Towers. One that believes that Dubya, really does have a relationship with God. One that believes that “taxation” is bad for rich people and good for poor people.
You silly little person. Someday you will end up on your knees and thanking God or however else you manage to have a relationship with, that there is a “Democratic or Progressive” party that is leading this country and taking care of your sorry ass.
September 19th, 2005 at 12:47 pmNED,
As far as the “liberal media†painting a false economic picture, I would not consider Greenspan liberal by any stretch of the imagination:
http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2004-05-06-greenspan_x.htm
Tax cuts? Try this on for size:
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
Nearly 8 trillion in debt? Tax cuts are going to grow us out of this hole? How exactly is giving Paris Hilton a few hundred million going to cut the deficit?
It’s too simplistic to blame “the liberal media†or “the vast right wing conspiracy†look at the numbers for yourself and I think most sensible people would agree the economic future of this country is headed off a cliff.
September 19th, 2005 at 12:47 pmRush and the fox group are crude on what they say. They claim they are Christian. Where is their compassion? Christian don’t act that way. They are only out for themself.
September 19th, 2005 at 12:56 pmI never claimed to be Christian. I just don’t want our entire culture to be decided by the likes of George Soros and the hateful left. Sorry.
September 19th, 2005 at 12:58 pmWhy would anyone call Alan Colmes a left of center person? I see him as a Phaux News punching bag more than any kind of spokesperson or news media.
If you’re portraying that idiot l-o-c then we are all BIG Trouble!
September 19th, 2005 at 1:01 pmYou talk about hateful people you are that person.
September 19th, 2005 at 1:02 pmNorthEastDumbass,
The left isn’t hateful, and isn’t likely to become that way unless you were to switch sides… The right is hateful, but since you’re a big ugly ball of hate, you already knew that.
My guess is that you’re jewish, and you’ve been fed the pack of lies that the left is anti-israel. That’s an easy thing to be duped on if you aren’t very smart, or aren’t mentally stable. Strike two for you…
September 19th, 2005 at 1:02 pmI wouldn’t worry too much about Rush’s drug influenced view of the US. Hell, all you have to do is look around, everything these neocon/religious right facsists have tried over the past 5 years has turned to shit right before their(our)eyes.
These shitheads have take our country from the most properous period in our history into the financial abyss in 5 years. The country has never been more divided, you have weakened America, everyone of you is a traitor to democracy.
I challenge any of you trolls that write your nonsense here at this blog site to name one thing this administration has done in two terms that have helped this country or its people.
September 19th, 2005 at 1:03 pmNED- wait, you listen to Coulter, Limbaugh and Hannity and think the LEFT is hateful?
That could either mean the left is 110% hate or that you have no idea what you’re talking about. Since I’m a member of the left and am not filled with hate, I can only conclude that the latter is true.
September 19th, 2005 at 1:07 pmThis sums it up best. From a review of “What’s Wrong with Kansas”:
It was in many ways a remarkable class war. It was fought mainly within the state’s long-dominant Republican Party. The insurgent radical right (“the Cons,†in Frank’s terms) attacked the moderate party establishment (“the Modsâ€) as a liberal elite at odds with the masses. But it was not just an ideological split in the party. It was a class divide. The Cons, Frank argues, drew support from the working class; the Mods were primarily more affluent corporate types. On economic issues both factions were conservative, but the Cons mobilized their followers with angry rhetorical riffs reminiscent of Populist class appeals—even though Con leaders often were business elite opportunists.
And the corporate elite mainly benefited from the policies the Cons implemented. The insurgent workers lost economically from the Con political victories, which intensified the effects of market forces that already had brought ruin to many ordinary Kansans in impoverished rural regions, Wal-Martized small towns and de-unionized meatpacking plants.
“For decades Americans have experienced a populist uprising that only benefits the people it is supposed to be targeting,†Frank writes. “In Kansas we merely see an extreme version of this mysterious situation. The angry workers, mighty in their numbers, are marching irresistibly against the arrogant. They are shaking their fists at the sons of privilege. They are laughing at the dainty affectations of the Leawood toffs. They are massing at the gates of Mission Hills [the wealthy suburb where Frank grew up], hoisting the black flag, and while the millionaires tremble in their mansions, they are bellowing out their terrifying demands, ‘We are here,’ they scream, ‘to cut your taxes.’ â€
September 19th, 2005 at 1:07 pmThe one the thing the skels on the right can not help but do, is advertize their “brillant strategy”. They have always pointed to the pile of s**t that they birthed on the sidewalk with pride. Their lack of hubris is a weakness. Our lack of prompt action is our weakness.
This is Karl Rove’s strategy, therfore the strategy on the “echo chamber” and foot soldiers. Their conceit compels them to shout it aloud.
The table has been set with mouthing a “liberal†rebuilding of the Gulf Coast. But…
It will be pure GOP; free enterprise zones, tax “rebatesâ€, wage freeze, corporate welfare, and if you act now we will throw in…
Now we all know karl and his diseased ways. So, do you think he will package all the above in such a way that guarantees that Dems will vote against it? Of course he will…
Do we all remember the 2002 mid-term and the GOP using the terrror attacks (being the traitors they are)? Remember the bills sent to congress, full of GOP rot. Like the provision of gutting the federal employee unions. Or the financing of the war by running up the debt? Remember the Dems that voted against their puss filled legislation? Remember the same Dems being labeled “traitor voted against America�. So, let us fast forward to 2006…
Commercial of GOP targeting a Dem running for re-election, backdrop of NO with body floating in background “Congressperson Liberal voted against helping American relief and rebuilding efforts, do you really want Congressperson Liberal to be voting when you need help†Paid for by the bloated puss bags who just gang raped your daughter…
They are writing out the playbook folks.
September 19th, 2005 at 1:08 pmHell, making the country conservative OR liberal won’t do anything to bring us out of the darkness we’ve fallen into.
Comment by Locke — September 19, 2005 @ 12:45 pm
I don’t give a crap what “label” you put on it and actually it does make a difference.
Apparently if you follow an agenda that rips federal funds out of the system and favors the wealthy and supplements big business, you are a conservative. If you believe in a mantra of “big stick” global diplomacy, denial of povery and every man for himself, idealogy, you are also, conservative. If you also believe that God punished the “sin” of New Orleans as opposed to being a loving and compassionate God, you are also, conservative.
On the other hand, if you recognize that not all people are born the same and that some are simply not born as lucky as others and therefore, you are motivated to aid those people, lets say with a distribution of wealth or aid, you are a liberal. If you follow a mantra of global diplomacy of “give and take”, you are also probably, a liberal. If you also believe that God is loving and compassionate, not vengeful or mean spirited, then you are also quite possibly, a liberal.
So yes, domestically and globally, it does make a difference what we believe and to a certain extent what we are labeled.
Go global yourself and see how fast you label yourself a liberal. A conservative republican, in Europe, Asia, and particularly, the middle east is generally considered one evolutionary step above a chimpanzee or a near cousin to neanderthal man for which Coulter and Malkin would make good mates.
September 19th, 2005 at 1:08 pmWhat do you expect Bushie had two failed business. This is why our country is in a financial mess.
September 19th, 2005 at 1:09 pmEvery major american boom in the economy was preceded by a tax increase on the wealthy. Every bust has been preceded by a reduction of their taxes.
In the 28 years of Republican administrations there were 258 months of expansion and 78 months of contraction, while in the 28 years of Democratic administrations there were 304 months of expansion and 32 months of contraction.
This means that republican administrations have been in contraction aproximately 2-1/2 times more than the democratic presidents. And when not in contraction (eg. recession/depression), democratic GDP growth has also averaged almost twice that of republicans.
When the reichwing propagandists like NED the DEAD OF HEAD tries to claim that it’s because of a republican having to follow a democrat, or because of republican congresses – there’s another interesting statistic that dispels their myth. The strongest economic growth appears to be with both democratic president and a democratic congress. The weakest economic growth appears to be when there’s a republican president and a republican congress. The facts bear out that republicans are dumbasses economically.
Now the other myth about foreign policy.
Republicans gave WMDs to Iraq.
Republicans gave Nuclear reactors to Iran.
Republicans trained, funded and even helped AlQueda recruit members.
Republicans funded illegal wars in central america through illicit drug sales that produced 450 indictments in the Reagan administration.
…
Basically you have the blind leading the blind, with the trolls here being the loudest blind people claiming to have a divine vision I’ve ever seen. I’m always amazed how people this uneducated to the plight of their own country can unknowingly be such stupid mouthpieces to its destruction. Just goes to the old statement that a sucker is born every day, even in the northeast..
September 19th, 2005 at 1:12 pmMary,
Bush had 3 failed businesses, he had to unload the 3rd in a fire sail to keep it from completely becoming bankrupt. The only he ever made was from the sale of a baseball team, that he was loaned the money he invested into, and that the ‘profit’ came from taxpayer dollars. We call that a ’sweetheart’ deal – or possibly a taxpayer scam depending on how kind we are…
September 19th, 2005 at 1:14 pmThink about it. Or just sit there and die.
September 19th, 2005 at 1:17 pm#47 – outright LIE on taxes. The economy SOARED in 1983-84 after Reagan slashed the top bracket. Unemployment was 9.4 a al malaise Carter in 1981 when Reagan took office and it was 5.3% when he left. Ryan – you are f*cking liar.
September 19th, 2005 at 1:22 pm“Unspeakable rape and torture of minors happen “under your godâ€, NED.
I think you are a confused, angry, scared person.
Comment by Brian — September 19, 2005 @ 12:12 pm”
Responded to by NED with
“Brian – stop slandering the military. It’s disgusting.
Comment by The Northeast Dilemma — September 19, 2005 @ 12:16 pm”
Since you say you’re from the NorthEast, I should give you the benefit of the doubt that you know what slander means – especially since I corrected you as to its meaning recently. I can see you’re either a slow learner, or a consistent propagandist liar. Slander is a legal term that means you have produced fact that are meant to smear – but that are easily proven false. For instance, the swiftboat claims were slander because the guys who made it all had signed a document under military honor code and oath that contradicted, in combination with the physical evidence, etc., which ensured it was slander.
The rapes of young boys by forces under american control are in fact documented by the pentagon report – but you’re obviously of the limbaugh cliff notes version. In the official report they only mention the evidence showing the iraqi troops doing the actual rapes, and yet those troops take command from american troops – and there were even pictures taken by american solders…
Besides those admitted examples, there’s also the documentation by many witnesses that american and british troops also participated.
It was early last October that Kasim Mehaddi Hilas says he witnessed the rape of a boy prisoner aged about 15 in the notorious Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq. “The kid was hurting very bad and they covered all the doors with sheets,” he said in a statement given to investigators probing prisoner abuse in Abu Ghraib. “Then, when I heard the screaming I climbed the door … and I saw [the soldier's name is deleted] who was wearing a military uniform.” Hilas, who was himself threatened with being sexually assaulted in Abu Ghraib, then describes in horrific detail how the soldier raped “the little kid”.
In another witness statement, passed to the Sunday Herald, former prisoner Thaar Salman Dawod said: “[I saw] two boys naked and they were cuffed together face to face and [a US soldier] was beating them and a group of guards were watching and taking pictures and there was three female soldiers laughing at the prisoners. The prisoners, two of them, were young.”
September 19th, 2005 at 1:24 pmi cannot believe the copmment by northeast dilemma.
September 19th, 2005 at 1:26 pmcindy is a mother who has lost a child. i would listen
to her just for that!!!!! cold hearted republicans with no warmth or empathy for anyone!!! how disgusting.
wwjd???? this administration has got to be the hardest hearted in history. screw the poor people!!! mobile oil can i sleep with you tonight???
At least NeD’s comments are very short as he doesn’t back up the bull.
September 19th, 2005 at 1:27 pmwe haven’t engaged you folks yet. When we get in the mud with you, those numbers will tighten. Democrats are not the only ones who get to smear their opponents. We will say nasty things about you just you said about the President. The only difference, people will be listening in the fall of 2006.
Blow it out your ass, NED. You have never gotten out of the mud. Your little party is over. I still hope someone empties a full clip into fatso and the rest of them, Hannity, Coulter, Savage… the whole lot. And puts a crater where Fox News used to be.
The Party is Over but you are going to have to pay for playing.
September 19th, 2005 at 1:28 pmIn fact, at this rate, Generation Y, or whatever it is called, seems poised to become a lifelong Democratic voting block in much the same way the 1980’s caused Baby Boomers–especially younger Boomers–to become a lifelong Republican voting block.
It’s over, Bitch. Pull up your skirt, drop your panties, and bend over. This is going to hurt you NEDwina, more than it hurts me.
September 19th, 2005 at 1:31 pmBush disapproval on Katrina LEAPT from 52% to 56% since the speech …
(Talk about a post-primetime-speech “bounce” in the polls!)
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=df863ce4-eead-4c81-9cfd-875a1bdb8547
I guess we can conclude that more and more Americans, conservatives and liberals alike, are way more savvy than Donna Brazile…
September 19th, 2005 at 1:31 pmComment by Ryan Neat — September 19, 2005 @ 1:12 pm
Well said and exactly my sentiment. I’ll bet that Northeast Dumbass, doesn’t know that Osama helped the Cia build the compound at Tora Bora. That Osama and the Taliban assisted, with the assistance of the United States, in the effort to expell the Soviet Union from Afghanistan.
Did you know that General Tommie Franks let Osama go?? Know why?? Because it was Osama’s and Osama’s fathers money and equipment that built the compound at Tora Bora. They originallly agreed to help the US force the Soviets from Afghanistan and then we dudded them (them being the taliban). No wonder they’re pissed.
Can you get your intellectually inept mind around all that??
You (NED) somehow have convienently forgotten that we (the US) installed Saddam Hussein to aid us in our posture against Iran. The only WMD’s that Saddam ever possessed were the ones, we put there.
Go back to school and then re-visit this blog. You and your “talking point” ilk are irrelevant.
September 19th, 2005 at 1:33 pmOr NED…
September 19th, 2005 at 1:34 pmYou insult the apes by making such a comparison, dave. Labels are labels, and are subjective. What makes a “liberal” in one’s eyes may not in another’s. The only real difference between Republicans and Democrats is the quality of their suits. And it will take more than “give and take” to rectify what we, as a species, have done. We are all in this together, and we are all responsible. No one person is more important than any other, and evolution does not have an end. It’s time to “evolve ideas” and come up with one that won’t end in our extinction.
September 19th, 2005 at 1:38 pmi like what kurt vonnegut said. the hurricanes are the earths allergic reaction to humans. earth needs to get rid of us all!!!!
September 19th, 2005 at 1:42 pmMeg,
NED is a pro-israel bigot – it’s all about israel. Those guys are all through the administration, and for them redefining the middle east is all about protecting the interests of israel…
Everything else he pushes as a talking point I strongly believe comes from his belief that to do item 1, he must follow these theocratic fascists to the edge of the cliff… How ironic that the more they support these guys, the less safe israel becomes. If Iran follows through on its threat, it will relay its nuclear research to all of the other arab countries in the middle east. It will only take one willing to take a popshot at israel to mostly destroy it. Their hatred, fear and stupidity will do what they fear most, destroy them.
I hope for all of the people of the middle east that they and we come back from this insanity and that the voices who are calmer and wiser are able to overcome to vote rigging in those (and our) country to create a more liberal democratic environment. It’s the only hope mankind possesses.
September 19th, 2005 at 1:42 pmNow finally to the current relevant topic.
If limbaugh said this is an opportunity to bury the democrats, what he actually thinks is that this event will probably bury the republicans. If you literally reverse everything he publically says, it’s very easy to see where the mans fears and psychosis lies…
And based on how everything they do PR/speech wise affects america at this point, I’d say his fear is right. At this point, Diebold is probably the only hope the reichwingers have of holding on to power.
September 19th, 2005 at 1:45 pm“The only real difference between Republicans and Democrats is the quality of their suits.”
That’s such bunk. The difference between republicans and democrats is that republicans prefer they ‘win’, democrats prefer everyone wins. If you can’t see the difference, you’ve been watching too much hannity!
September 19th, 2005 at 1:47 pmYou dick NED. When Carter left office (1980) Unemployment was at 5.8%. When Regan took over unemployment in 1981, went to 7.5% and over the next couple of years, went as high as 10.5%. At the end of his last year, unemployment went back down to a more acceptable, 6%.
What did go through the roof was inflation,(during your hero Regans years) which is pretty much what you can expect over the next couple of years. The only thing that has kept that in check has been the Chinese buying all our debt. That has been Monkeyboys blessing and I’ll bet it isn’t God he prays to, but Buddah.
Stop posting bullshit and go back to school.
September 19th, 2005 at 1:48 pmLast Thursday’s speech by President Bush in New Orleans’ Jackson Square kicked off the administrations’ cynical campaign to snatch political victory from the jaws of defeat in the wake of its disastrous Katrina response. Karl Rove’s strategy for the coming 2006 mid-term elections will modeled on his 2002 GOP success with the Department of Homeland Security. With the Gulf States devastated, hundreds dead and thousands displaced, President Bush and the GOP will lace a popular recovery program featuring massive federal spending with a laundry list of conservative initiatives damned by the left and previously rejected by the American people. Putting politics before the people of the Gulf Coast, President Bush will then dare the Democrats to block them.
for the full story, see:
“Poison Pill: The Bush Prescription for Katrina.”
September 19th, 2005 at 1:48 pmThink about it… – that’s what we call terroristic threatening. The only thing you’ve laid a clip into is the Democratic Party’s chances of ever getting back into power.
Meg_mac – I hope you’re not a teacher in CT. I also hope you own a small home and don’t drive an SUV since you are so hung up on oil.
Why not go to war for oil? We need oil. You won’t let us drill here and somebody has to house the liberal fatcats like Ter-e-Zah and Babs that suck the earth dry.
September 19th, 2005 at 1:48 pm“Why not go to war for oil? We need oil. You won’t let us drill here and somebody has to house the liberal fatcats like Ter-e-Zah and Babs that suck the earth dry.”
We don’t need oil, we need energy. If we applied the same amount of money we spent on Iraq to Solar subsidies, we’d largely be free of foreign oil, and the price of solar panels would plumet.
You’re such a stupid dope who can’t think past the end of his ugly face NED!
September 19th, 2005 at 1:51 pm#68 – solar enegry. Sure, that will be real cheap.
It’s nice to pretend you know something about science Ryan, but let’s be realistic here.
September 19th, 2005 at 1:54 pm“The only real difference between Republicans and Democrats is the quality of their suits.â€
That’s such bunk. The difference between republicans and democrats is that republicans prefer they ‘win’, democrats prefer everyone wins. If you can’t see the difference, you’ve been watching too much hannity!
Actually, he has a point. Not all Democrats, but there are a lot of them who might as well be Republicans. When the Republicans stole Ohio in 2004, a large portion of the local Democratic establishment was their best ally.
September 19th, 2005 at 1:54 pmNeddy writes:
Why not go to war for oil?
If you think it’s such a great idea, let’s see you enlist.
September 19th, 2005 at 1:55 pmGary – we’re back to stealing elections. I guess you have been channeling John Kerry’s gin soaked lying wife. I certainly hope the GOP steals again to stay in power.
September 19th, 2005 at 1:56 pmGary – 2 seconds to call war supporters chickenhawks….
Why would I go to war for you people? Then, someone like Cindy Sheehan could denigrate the cause I died for.
September 19th, 2005 at 1:57 pm“It’s nice to pretend you know something about science Ryan, but let’s be realistic here.”
I know a lot about science. I know that NanoSolar just received a 10 million dollar grant to deliver solar panels at the .50c per watt price range which is cheap enough to be used by utilities. I know that solar pays for itself in a matter of years at the current price, and then operates for many more years with free energy. I know that it is already economically viable, but the cost is up front and that’s what prohibits people.
See this is the problem with CONservatives as a lot. They don’t like change. They get fixated on a solution and frankly are too stupid to be able to distinguish the solution from the problem…
NED is dead in the head because he wants to be…
September 19th, 2005 at 1:57 pm#59 Lucke I have some solution for you.
1. Repeal the tax cut to the rich.
2. Take back the rises the congress got.
3. Repeal all the pork in the energy and transportation
bill.
4. Stop giving our tax payer money to other countries.
5. End the war in Iraq so there will be money for
fixing the diaster in New Orleans.
6. The money Delay put in when no one was looking.
This is all I can think of for now.
September 19th, 2005 at 1:58 pmryan
i wish that just once people could understand the plight of the palestinians. its not that i hate israel its that i do not understand a nation of people who were discriminated against and almost exterminated turn around and treat palestinians the same way. now they are building a huge wall to permanently imprison
September 19th, 2005 at 1:59 pmthe palestinians. as if bulldozing houses and squating on the palestinian lands (because they can!!)were not enough . although i dont condone the suicide bombers i can certainly understand the hopelessness and anger behind it.
“I certainly hope the GOP steals again to stay in power.”
This says it all. Thanks for proving your ignorance for us today NeD.
September 19th, 2005 at 1:59 pmI try not to make sweeping generalizations, thanks, Gary. My point in the comparison is that both Democrats and Republicans happen to be human beings. Coincidence? Not really. As human beings they both have much in common, and while the Reps. are full of vim and vinegar, (much like the Dems used to have) the Dems tend to buckle to pressure. Many people are outraged at what’s going on, but few of us are doing something about it. It’ll take more than casting a vote. In this day and age, we have to shout to be heard, and if there are enough of us shouting, then we can’t be ignored.
September 19th, 2005 at 1:59 pm“It’s nice to pretend you know something about science Ryan, but let’s be realistic here.”
Oh and another point. Current Solar panels (not the thin film technology from nanosolar or other simiar companies) is really semiconductor science. There’s a reason that computers get faster and cheaper every year, and a big part of that is volume. The more the computer sells, the cheaper they can make it. Solar panels are the same.
Big Oil doesn’t want this to happen to quickly however, because frankly they make more profits when the US goes out, starts a war, and spikes the price of oil to $70 a barrel. Follow the money NED. I know you’re stupid, but I’m sure if you try you can follow this VERY simple principle…
September 19th, 2005 at 2:00 pmRe #23: Northeast Dilemma: Study some economics! The issue is what kind of tax cuts you give at different portions of the business cycle, how fast they work, and what the resulting deficits do to you.
If your computer can play little web-movies, please go to http://ecolanguage.net/ and scroll down to “The Bush Tax Cuts.” I used data from the Fed, Census, and IRS to make a scientific flow-chart of the distribution of taxes and income before and after the Bush tax cuts.
In words, the Bush tax cuts could NOT give any extra economic growth over a short-term, consumption-based tax cut. Several hundred economists signed a letter saying so, at the time. (The economic reason: because in a recession, production capacity is under-utilized, so investment tax cuts are not much needed for new business investment.) But these wrong tax cuts did further damage: employment flat-lined for three more years. To keep consuming, households have ended up with record-level personal debt. This borrowing fueled the consumption, leading to record-level corporate profits.
So, after a stock-gambling crash and a mild recession, we had the worst recovery since the Great Depression. They blamed this on 9/11, but the economic effects of 9/11 didn’t last longer than eight months to a year. Since the economy always comes back anyhow, they now take credit for getting unemployment down to 4.9% — a long time after it should have!
As for “slashing deficit predictions,” you well know that this was only for a few years, and after that, the OMB and CBO projections just soar out of sight –and that was BEFORE Katrina. (Now, they’ll have something to blame their deficits on!)
Re the original post: At this point, Limbaugh is pretty much preaching to his shrinking choir. And by saying something nice now, Brazile gets to weigh-in with force later, if corruption and class-war become the order of the reconstruction.
September 19th, 2005 at 2:01 pm#73 – we don’t like change? I’m sorry, I must have missed the Democratic has-beens on the Senate judiciary committee crying over how Roberts might change the Court back to it’s original intent.
The left HATES change. They HATE progress. They lie when they say they care about the less fortunate. They use the less fortunate and then discard them until they can attack Republicans as bigots with them.
Don’t talk to me about change. This blog illustrates the left can’t seem to get past 1968.
September 19th, 2005 at 2:01 pm#76 – I guess you’re the resident terrorist sympathizer? Why don’t we move all the Palenstians and their hatred to your backyard then? Hypocrite.
September 19th, 2005 at 2:03 pmMeg,
It’s because Israel has ‘never healed’. They still live in hatred, fear, anger and betrayal, and they lash out as any individual would who had been tortured. It’s a kind of shared psychosis.
And frankly being attacked by their neighbors was the end of any rationality by either side. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think it’s any picnic for israel to deal with its neighbors – and that’s why I believe it’s critical for our country to support them. That support should not come with a carte blanche that allows them to become as despotic as their neighbors…
September 19th, 2005 at 2:03 pmGary – we’re back to stealing elections.
As if you’d ever stopped doing that….
I guess you have been channeling John Kerry’s gin soaked lying wife.
I guess you’re a dolt who has nothing to offer other than lame smears by association.
I certainly hope the GOP steals again to stay in power.
I’m sure you do.
You’re truly one of the wonders of the modern world, Neddy. Not many people could call something a lie and then admit that it’s true in the very next sentence without losing a beat.
Gary – 2 seconds to call war supporters chickenhawks….
Not all war supporters, chucklehead. Only the ones who aren’t willing to sacrifice for their beliefs.
Why would I go to war for you people?
I have no idea why you would want to go to war. You, not me, were the one who spoke favorably about the idea of going to war for oil.
Then, someone like Cindy Sheehan could denigrate the cause I died for.
What cause would that be, Neddy? Halliburton’s profit margin?
September 19th, 2005 at 2:06 pm“#76 – I guess you’re the resident terrorist sympathizer? Why don’t we move all the Palenstians and their hatred to your backyard then? Hypocrite.
Comment by The Northeast Dilemma”
Oh so you are a jew – this explains your psychotic response to palestinians… The fact is both israelis and palestinians have legitimate claims to israel, and there is a UN resolution for the partition of the country. It is israel that now violates this by being a ‘terrorist nation’ that has taken the territories of its neighbor, and imprisons and murders its citizens…
Now, the suicide bombings in israel also constitute terrorism, and those should also be stopped. But before you call others a hypocrit, look first at home.
And if you feel so strongly about israel, perhaps that should be your physical, not just your spiritual home… We’re interesting in protecting america, your protection of israel because you identify more with it than american should tell you that you’re not an american after all…
September 19th, 2005 at 2:06 pmRyan, nice job in post #47, you’re bringing it to the table today!
dave in #57, I agree that we let Osama go and I think the reason is that the American military industrial complex, now that the “threat” of Communism and those “evil” Russians is a thing of the past, needs justification. Osama and Al Qaeda have replaced the Russians as our new bogeyman….in that regard he is worth more alive than dead.
Locke, on the evolution of ideas. I think the most important idea that needs to evolve in the mind of Americans is our spolied, lazy, reckless consumption. If we continue to consume, consequences be damned, our children will suffer terribly. We also need to understand that sitting back and figuring that “someone else will get involved” or “the government won’t allow things to get too out of hand” is misguided and dangerous. WE ALL NEED TO ENGAGE IN the political process or we don’t hold up are end of the democracy bargain. Just voting on election day is NOT ENOUGH!
September 19th, 2005 at 2:09 pmSurround the White House this weekend … just DO IT !!
Here’s UPJ’s webpage on how to find transportation to DC for the big rally on Saturday …
http://www.unitedforpeace.org/userdata_display.php?modin=10
September 19th, 2005 at 2:09 pmRyan – not a jew, just not a terrorist sympathizer. I support democracy and it what it seeks to achieve. But, after reading this blog, I am convinced you people should be ruled by the likes of Arafat and Sadaam. People like you would be murdered immediately in the regimes you seem to have the most sympathy for. I would probably be taken out faster than most too.
September 19th, 2005 at 2:11 pmEveryone heard him, NED ACCUSED ALL PALESTINIANS OF BEING TERRORISTS. This is the stance of the pro-israel lobby, and an example of why these right wing fanatics are just as dangerous as bin laden. They’re irrational, unreasonable maniacs. The reality is they think the other side is a bunch of terrorists, yet the other side is merely the right wing of a different group. In otherwords what they see that they hate is themselves…
September 19th, 2005 at 2:12 pmNED is a corpse rotting “with ideas”. Do you really want to argue with a corpse?
September 19th, 2005 at 2:12 pmPLEASE GO TO DC AND MARCH WITH CINDY SHEEHAN. The GOP is depending on it to show what nutjobs you all are.
meg_mac – hope your house in CT is overtaken by Palenstinians. Then, you can see what they are really about.
September 19th, 2005 at 2:12 pmNED is a corpse rotting “with ideasâ€. Do you really want to argue with a corpse? Do you want to smell his stench by engaging in discourse?
September 19th, 2005 at 2:14 pmThere’s nutjobs on both sides of the fence, NED. The difference is that one side’s patriots and heroes are the other side’s crazies. It’s all a matter of perception and which side of the fence you’re on.
September 19th, 2005 at 2:15 pm#92 – you seem to like it. How’s that “ideas” thing going? lol!
September 19th, 2005 at 2:15 pmLook, if you want to engage a corpse, go to his site!
September 19th, 2005 at 2:17 pmIt would seem that we’ll have to look elsewhere if that’s the best you can come up with.
September 19th, 2005 at 2:17 pmMore power to Cindy Sheehan rally on Saturday. Maybe the Republican will wakeup.
September 19th, 2005 at 2:19 pmGood point, Citizen. It’s best to ignore the sort of ranting that comes from the corpses. I do apologize.
September 19th, 2005 at 2:20 pm#97 – Hey moron – Cindy is not a thorn in Bush’s side anymore. She was in NYC today b*tchin about Hillary. She’s coming after Democrats now and will only further divide the Democrats on the war. Republicans are united against media whores like Sheehan.
September 19th, 2005 at 2:23 pmDon’t media whores smile and mug it up for the camera? Cindy Sheehan, to me, looks extremely sad.
September 19th, 2005 at 2:26 pm#100 – that is because you are blind. She craves attention and is off the hook. In that sense, she’s the perfect progressive.
September 19th, 2005 at 2:28 pmHmm. . .you’re right, Jay. I mean, with photo ops you clean up the spot where you had props, right? Especially if they’re useful “props” like fire fighters and heavy equipment?
September 19th, 2005 at 2:28 pm#103 – Cindy is a prop. The MSM isn’t following her because it is clear she is on the fringe left and will hurt Democrats now. The right (and you morons) won’t let that happen. Cindy Sheehan needs to be visible.
September 19th, 2005 at 2:30 pm#2,563, Dilemma, they’re only numbers…try to keep up.
September 19th, 2005 at 2:32 pmNED, in regards to #19,
A country that promotes freedom of religion will NEVER be a country that contains ONLY religious people, and therefore “Under God” will always be considered offensive by some.
Hollywood is a place for artistic people to express themselves. Be it emotionally, sexually, physically, politically, etc. A country that promotes and stands behind “freedom of speech” will never have a place like Hollywood that doesn’t influence or express political views.
People don’t have to love this country to live here, NED, or be a politician. Everyone is welcome here.
Political dissent is healthy. Unpopular speech is exactly what “freedom of speech” is in place to protect.
A country that makes it mandatory that one considers “Under God†not offensive, a country where Hollywood is relevant for entertainment and nothing else, where our leaders love our country, is a fascist country. Under this administration, it seems that you fit that mold nicely.
However, I believe you have made it perfectly clear that you do not know what freedom is. Control is what you desire. You clearly believe that you think you know what’s best for everyone, which is absurd, and makes your posts, and therefore you, sound extraordinarily ignorant.
“States are not moral agents.” -Chomsky
September 19th, 2005 at 2:32 pmAnother excellent post. Well put Elvis.
September 19th, 2005 at 2:36 pmElvis – I support freedom of speech for all, not just left-wing morons who hate America. The left wants to stifle religion and America’s culture while they trash it. AND they want me to pay for their hate speech a la Ward Churchill.
As liberals fight to have ‘Under God’ taken out of the pledge, conservatives will continue to win elections and pack the Courts. So Elvis, thank you. You ignorance is our bliss.
September 19th, 2005 at 2:37 pmWe have one Democrat that is speeching out. Senator Russ Feingold which wants to bring our troops home at the end of 2006. He is running for president and will win. GO RUSS FEINGOLD!!!!
September 19th, 2005 at 2:43 pmNED,
You continue to confuse “political dissent” as “hating America.” Why is that?
There is no such thing as “America’s culture.” I believe this is where you are getting confused.
We are not family NED. We are not friends, we are not neighbors, we are not even acquaintances. The culture of one “group” of people does not define another’s.
If you have a sensitive bone in your body, I strongly recommend that you read Howard Zinn’s “A Peoples History of The United States.” You will walk away a far better human being.
“States are not moral agents.†-Chomsky
September 19th, 2005 at 2:43 pmElvis – I think Ward Churchill hates America. Ok – at a min, he doesn’t like it. I have to pay his salary while he indoctrinates our youth with his Eichmann talk. We pay for public displays of art that denigrate religion like Piss Christ and Elephant Dung Mary. So why not have Under God in the pledge? It’s free speech. If you don’t want to say it, don’t.
I strongly recommend that you move out of the liberal bubble you are wallowing in. If states are not moral agents, then why is the death penalty wrong?
September 19th, 2005 at 2:47 pmWrong? That also depends on who you ask. Now USEFUL, that’s a point I can stand on. If you want to look at how useful it is, take a look at who else around the world uses it, and their own crime rates. . .
September 19th, 2005 at 2:49 pmLocke – I am just pointing out that liberals like Chomsky always invoke morality when we talk about war, putting vicious murderers to death, and taking my tax $$ so you can feed the “poor”.
Both sides play the morality card. Liberals can’t win and they’re mad about it. Of course, you can’t win though. Your love for abortion is always the giveaway.
September 19th, 2005 at 2:55 pmYou assume so much, and yet know so little. True, morality is parleyed on both sides, but what is it, really? Most would say it’s a measure of goodness, but once again this is all a matter of perspective. What’s good for me, won’t be good for you. That’s where compromise comes in, but since you don’t seem to value anything that I bring to the table, and assume I don’t value what you have to bring, compromise becomes moot, doesn’t it?
September 19th, 2005 at 3:00 pmNED,
You have to pay .00000000001% (exaggeration, I don’t know what the true figure is, its probably less though) of the salaries of government officials. But then, when you buy a newspaper, or eat at a public restaurant you are, or could be, paying more, in those cases, for a “liberals” salary. Yet you do it. Hell, you could be supporting a terrorist for all you know.
Not liking the country, or not liking its current direction, is good, and healthy, NED. It is evidence that at least someone is thinking about things with an open mind, and trying to find ways to improve it, at least in their eyes.
Thinking outside the box, approaching all situations with a beginners mind will take you much further in life, and much more honestly into your future. Don’t except status-quo, just because it makes you proud, and gives you somewhere to stand, with little effort or thought.
Self-delusion breed’s pride, pride breed’s the inability to learn.
You are getting in the way of yourself, and your own potential. Those who slavishly worship control or power, much like you, are not only getting in their own way, but are getting in everyone’s. This is one reason why there is so much political dissent today.
September 19th, 2005 at 3:01 pmNED. Such an idiot. Knows nothing. Die NED. You are holding the rest of us back. Die or we will beat you to death, to save the planet. Seems fair.
http://www.fsec.ucf.edu/ed/SM/ch1-general/timeline.htm
September 19th, 2005 at 3:05 pmElvis – political dissent? No, maybe gas prices are bothering people, but there is no more dissent during Bush’s second term than there was Clinton’s first. AND I agree, it’s healthy. (It’s working wonders for the GOP, at least).
Locke – you make a good point about what morality actually is. Excellent point, actually. I think it can fit into so many of the moral debates we seem be having. Compromise being the operative word.
September 19th, 2005 at 3:06 pmNED,
I do believe President Bush is the first president in decades to execute a federal prisoner. So clearly, the president and his administration do not believe the death penalty to be wrong.
However, how can one body of people (a judge, jury, government, mob) declare killing someone to be “wrong” and then commit the same crime as they did as punishment upon said individual, and call it just?
September 19th, 2005 at 3:07 pmI think we can track the comments from NED to the bile spewing from Limbaugh’s mouth — we know the main source of his “disinformation.”
September 19th, 2005 at 3:10 pmColmes is the token liberal with big-head-Hannity, and Brazile is suffering PTSD from her family’s experience in the gulf. She was not tough enough as manager for Al Gore; she was no match for Rove. This comment reflects her kind character, but she is sadly mistaken.
NED,
Remember what I said about “self-delusion?” You are doing it.
Bush’s approval ratings are lower then Nixon’s at the high of Watergate. There hasn’t been more political dissent in this country since the 60’s, and its only going to get worse (of better, depending on which side of the fence you are on).
September 19th, 2005 at 3:11 pmElvis – you are wrong on Bush’s numbers. Clinton bottomed out at 37% in 1994 according to Gallup, Reagan hit 35% in 1983, Bush sr hit 29% the summer before re-election and Nixon fell to 24% right before he was forced from office. According to this same poll, Bush’s lowest point is 40% – which he hit last month.
Who’s delusional again?
And there has been political dissent – liberals are louder when they don’t get their way at the polls.
Elvis – you are not as smart as you think you are.
September 19th, 2005 at 3:20 pmMarie I agree with you con’t trust Bush or Karl Rove. WE don’t know what they are up to yet.
Donna was to soft on old Bushie because of her family.
Elvis Who was the federal prisoner that was executed?
September 19th, 2005 at 3:21 pmNED,
Reading the first article I came across by Ward Churchill, the second paragraph states “I pointed out that they [the terrorist attacks of 9/11] were and will continue to be the inevitable result of a U.S. foreign policy that disregards the rule of law and results in massive death and destruction abroad.”
You can’t argue with that, NED. And if you try to, it’s a futile effort. No matter what your personal view point is, from the view of the terrorist, their actions are just. They have a true and verifiable grievance, and no other way to change things. If you had to sift through the rubble that was once your house to try and find what’s left of your innocent children who were taking baths when a 2000lb bomb fell on your house, only to have the leader of that nation say that they are “simply casualties†or “regrettable;†what would your reaction be? And would you care what someone else thought about your actions?
So, please define for me where this is “hating America” or “not liking it.” Ward Churchill doesn’t agree with the foreign policy of this nation (for starters). Nor do I. And I’m a Marine.
September 19th, 2005 at 3:22 pmNED You are wrong Bush poll reading is 36%.
September 19th, 2005 at 3:24 pmNED,
“American Research Group. Among all Americans, 36% approve of the way Bush is handling his job as president and 58% disapprove. When it comes to Bush’s handling of the economy, 33% approve and 62% disapprove.
Among Americans registered to vote, 38% approve of the way Bush is handling his job as president and 56% disapprove, and 36% approve of the way Bush is handling the economy and 60% disapprove.
For a little perspective, recall that Richard Nixon’s approval rating in the summer of 1973 (when the Watergate scandal was in full swing) was 39%.”
September 19th, 2005 at 3:25 pmElvis – are you schilling for Ward Churchill!?!?!?
I am done. Bush is in much better shape than I thought if you people are going to defend that “Little Eichmann.” Delusional, Elvis. Truly delusional!!!
September 19th, 2005 at 3:26 pmNED The only one around here is you that is delusional. Why don’t you leave. We all will clap when you leave.
September 19th, 2005 at 3:31 pmYou’re also ignoring the facts, NED. Growth occurs when one assimilates new information, not rejecting it.
September 19th, 2005 at 3:38 pmNED,
I’m simply standing up for that paragraph that I read of his. What I’ve heard of him, at times seems extreme, but not too far off. I have not heard everything, that’s for sure. But, in principle, I do believe he has a point.
How is listening to someone’s point of view, and coming to my own educated opinion, delusional?
And if I don’t agree with him, I most certainly agree that he has the right to think and speak every word that he has said to day, and will say in the future.
September 19th, 2005 at 3:40 pmNorthEastDumbass,
Your party trained AlQueda, and you call others little eichmanns. What a retard you are…
Ned hasn’t grown since he was an infant, that’s why his retorts are so infantile and without basis in fact or reason. That requires a frontal cortex that only fully forms as an adult – something he’s clearly deficient in.
September 19th, 2005 at 3:40 pm#64
Highlights during the Carter Era:
Productivity growth was pitiful, when not negative. Interest rates remained high, with the prime reaching 20% in January 1981; Art Buchwald quipped that 1980 would go down in history as the year when it was cheaper to borrow money from the Mafia than the local bank. According to a Gallup Organization poll, Carter ended his term with a low 28% approval rating. A C-SPAN survey of historians ranked Carter at 33rd of 41 presidents in the category of economic management; a C-SPAN survey of viewers ranked Carter at dead last.
One positive aspect of the period is that unemployment dropped mostly steadily from 1975 to 1979, although it then began to rise sharply.
This period also saw the increased rise of the environmental and consumer movements, and the government established new regulations and regulatory agencies such as the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, the Food and Drug Administration, the Consumer Product Safety Commission, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, and others.
Reaganomics
In 1980, Ronald Reagan was elected President by a landslide, and immediately began a series of cuts in taxes and spending. The Reagan Revolution reduced taxes and deregulation. Inflation dropped dramatically from 13.5% annually in 1980 to just 3% annually in 1983, and real GDP growth began to grow. The unemployment rate continued to rise to a peak of 10.8% in late 1982, but then dropped as sharply as it had risen to a level of 5.4% at the end of Reagan’s presidency in January 1989.
I can’t believe you are comparing Carter to Reagan performance! Thank God for Reagan!
September 19th, 2005 at 3:42 pmlove your country distrust your government!! to ask questions is not unpatriotic. if the questions are not answered then boot the a-hole out. id rather have a president who likes an occasional b-job (what man doesnt? including you ND) than a goober idiot who couldnt get it out in time anyway!!!!
September 19th, 2005 at 3:43 pmFrom Rasmussen Reports Poll -
Monday September 19, 2005–Forty-six percent (46%) of American adults now approve of the way George W. Bush is performing his role as President.
February 2, 2004–The final, certified, results of Election 2004 show that President George W. Bush received 50.7% of the vote while Senator John Kerry earned 48.3%. Those figures are very close to the final Rasmussen Reports Daily Tracking Poll. We projected the President would win 50.2% to 48.5%.
The mainstream media is not reporting these numbers because they do not support their agenda. They only report what will damage the President more. Since they were one of the few organizations to correctly predict the outcome of the election, I would have to trust these numbers.
I know its a little early to be talking about ‘08, but here is what Rasmussen is reporting:
Election 2008: McCain 47% Clinton 39%
Giuliani 47% Clinton 43%
Survey of 1,000 Likely Voters
September 14, 2005
Election 2008
John McCain (R) 47%
Hillary Clinton (D) 39%
RasmussenReports.com
Election 2008
Rudy Giuliani (R) 47%
Hillary Clinton (D) 43%
RasmussenReports.com
September 19, 2005–Senator John McCain leads Senator Hillary Clinton by 8 percentage points in an early 2008 Presidential Election poll. McCain attracts 47% of the vote while Clinton earns 39%.
Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani holds a 4-point edge over New York’s Junior Senator, 47% to 43%.
September 19th, 2005 at 3:50 pmrandy
we all know nancy ran the white house. ronald had freaking alzheimers. nancy’s psychic will tell you all about it.
September 19th, 2005 at 3:50 pmand fyi it will be joe biden in 2008 and he will kick arse!!
September 19th, 2005 at 3:52 pmNED,
Remember this:
A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away. ~Barry Goldwater
September 19th, 2005 at 3:53 pmThis country needs:
Fiscal conservatives who respect right to privacy.
OR Liberal moralists who won’t spend too much of my money.
I’ll take either one.
September 19th, 2005 at 4:05 pmRe: Reagan,
September 19th, 2005 at 4:06 pmA song by K’s Choice comes to mind, part of the chorus is:
“When your president’s an actor….somthin’s wrong.”
Brian,
Democrats don’t spend too much of ‘your’ money, unless you’re a rich corporatist. Democrats tend to raise taxes on the wealthy, as that provides the best economic growth, and the best return on investment. The propaganda that democrats spend too much is a big fat lie. Bush is much more of a reckless spender than any democrat – and yet you get no value for your dollars! And the act of going after oil has only increased its price and decreased its availability…
September 19th, 2005 at 4:09 pmYou are wrong it is going to be Senator Russ Feingold for President. Clinton is not running for President. She is running for Senator in New York. Why does everyone think she is running for President. How many time has the media ask her this question? The answer has always been no.
September 19th, 2005 at 4:11 pm#75 – Building a wall to keep Palestinians out is called PROTECTION from Islamic whack-jobs!!
September 19th, 2005 at 4:25 pm#133 – Joe Biden, the repentent plaigerist in 2008?? Well, I guess that’s not as bad as Teddy “the Lifeguard” Kennedy!!
September 19th, 2005 at 4:38 pm“#75 – Building a wall to keep Palestinians out is called PROTECTION from Islamic whack-jobs!!”
I’m sure your hero hitler felt that way when he fenced off the jews as well. Putting refugees in their own land in fences isn’t protection, its ethnic cleansing. Too bad the jews didn’t get enlightened from their experience in europe, and instead decided to repeat it.
September 19th, 2005 at 4:45 pm“#133 – Joe Biden, the repentent plaigerist in 2008?? Well, I guess that’s not as bad as Teddy “the Lifeguard†Kennedy!!”
How about the ex-gay (mr worth creations) bush, and his murdering wife laura that killed her boyfriend at age 17… Oh wait, they can’t run again unless bush decides he wants to extend his dictatorship with marshall law…
September 19th, 2005 at 4:46 pmif thats all you have against biden i will still take him in 2008
September 19th, 2005 at 4:50 pmprotection=paranoid. jews know all about ghettos. now they are forcing palestinians to live in one. lets be fair. my parents told me if someone hits you dont hit them back. what did your parents teach you?
September 19th, 2005 at 4:56 pmMeg,
Aphrodite has mesianic complex, that’s why she chose a name that reflects goddess status. It’s clear her mother never taught her anything other than petiness and hatred…
September 19th, 2005 at 5:07 pmMy favorite factoid is the first recorded suicide terrorist attacks were by jews. During the occupation of Judea by the romans, jewish terrorists used to slit the throats of romans in front of centurians and then charge a centurian. Being trained soldiers they would defend themselves and kill the terrorist. These first ’suicide terrorists’ used this technique because they felt powerless in their own homeland (lets forget they stole the homeland from the phoenicians) against an occupying force, and felt that it was reasonable to defend their country in this way.
I’m always shocked at how little christians and jews seem to know their own history and culture – how soon people forget how it is to be at the rough end of a boot…
September 19th, 2005 at 5:10 pmBiden is a slimeball and a phony, he’s sold outon MANY occasions and I always point to the bankruptcy bill and his big lobby buddies on the banking industry, MBNA. Biden has also been a total fraud on Iraq. He’s made more empty statements about how far he’d allow this mess to deteriorate before he started to get tough with the Republicans…and every time, he moves the goal posts and supports the Bush admins lies. He’s is one of the WORST Democrats and I just scratched the surface.
September 19th, 2005 at 5:15 pmmighty aphrodite, #139,
You clearly don’t understand what the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is about.
“Islamic whack-jobs!!” If that’s not prejudice/racist, I don’t know what is.
September 19th, 2005 at 5:16 pmRyan Neat,
The decisions/actions/thoughts of a few people do not reflect the decisions/actions/thoughts of an entire race, or “culture.†My point is only that it wasn’t the Jewish people who were the first suicide bombers. It’s only that by the account you state, the first suicide bomber happened to be Jewish, and the incident happened to be based in religion.
September 19th, 2005 at 5:22 pmElvis,
I agree, what I’m referring to is their utter dismissal of this act as immmoral, and yet it was their culture that first invented it. I find that terribly ironic and hypocritical.
I also find it horribly hypocritical that they believe they rightfully and exclusively own land that by the bible they clearly stole from another people. Fine, the jews need a homeland where they feel safe, but to displace millions of people so that they have a home, and then make those people refugees without a homeland is immoral.
Both people need a homeland, and I believe that partitioning israel as the UN declared decades ago is the correct solution.
September 19th, 2005 at 5:29 pmMary#74…..Very good..Blessings
September 19th, 2005 at 5:36 pm#144 Meg-Mac- My mom and dad taught me never to start a fight – but if I got hit, hit back and hit harder!!! This might surprise you – but my parent’s were right! Rotten bullies left me alone.
#146 Ryan Idiotis – You would probably wither under intense cross examination!! “During the occupation of Judea by the romans, jewish terrorists….” Wouldn’t they be “freedom fighters” in your and Michael Moore’s book. Pathetic argument!!!
#147 – Elvis – Veeeery quick on your part – I AM prejudiced against Islamic whack-jobs!
September 19th, 2005 at 6:08 pmmegan_mac – shouldn’t you be teaching today in Conneticut? Biden has no chance in hell of winning dog catcher, let alone President. He would be easier to tar than Kerry. He is a partisan with a long list of enemies just waiting to come get him.
September 19th, 2005 at 6:10 pmIf Only Bush would go back vaation. NED and the little dust mite just can’t keep up.
September 19th, 2005 at 6:13 pmOh, gosh! Good-Bye, GOP!
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2005_09_18.php#006577
September 19th, 2005 at 6:16 pm#84 – Dear Idiotis – Quit cutting and pasting from the ANSWER website – you sound just like their anti-War rallies on C-SPAN! To refer to Israel as “occupying the West Bank and Gaza” is to posses a thimble of knowledge. When Israel was invaded in the 60’s and early 70’s from three sides, it was expected that they were going to be annihilated. When they miraculously beat their aggressors, they kept the spoils of war. Sort of like when we beat the Mexicans in the Mexican-American War and the Gadsen purchase. You probably think we should give So. Cal, Arizona, New Mexico and part of Texas back. Perhaps with blood thirsty ways being exposed you can understand my name NOT being Softy Aphrodite!!
September 19th, 2005 at 6:19 pm“He would be easier to tar than Kerry.”
Election analysis shows Kerry won by 3% of the vote – too bad your side is nothing but a bunch of pansie liars who need to cheat because they can’t win honestly…
September 19th, 2005 at 6:21 pmAphrodite,
Thanks for calling out your fellow republicans. You guys really need to stop posting the lies from the free republic on here…
By your standards, then the nazis rounding up jews and gassing them was just the spoils of war. What stupid nonsense you write! What this is, is ethnic cleansing. If your analysis were true, the Iraq invading Kuwait was a spoil of war – because Kuwait was crossing the border and stealing oil (underground) from Iraq. They were defending themselves from economic attacks…
You’re such an idiot – girlfriend. Get a clue!
September 19th, 2005 at 6:23 pmnortheast: Really? What ever do you call “Willie Horton” and the “swift boat ads” and about 25 other things during the 1990’s??? We Dems don’t smear enough if you ask me. We need a wing in our party that rapes the GOP. I mean a wing that makes Rove look like Snow White. If the netroots ran all of our campaignes the GOP would not exist, we would get so low. Wait until Rudy decides to run as a “Leader” against Hillary and starts with the “character” stuff. We are FIMISHED with the one-sided smear campaigns. If our leaders won’t hit you in the teeth, the netroots will!
September 19th, 2005 at 6:35 pmBy the way, we haven’t started running yet either, the GOP disaster is ALL YOUR OWN MAKING! THE DEMS HAVE ONLY SET BACK AND ALLOWED YOU TO MAKE FOOLS OF YOURSELVES!
We start playing on Jan 1, 2006 with “corruption and abuse of power.” Rove and Delay will be front and center. Get ready!
Ryan #149 Again you agree with me on the Israel problem. Every one around me for years has thought I was crazy when I spoke to them on this issue. All of them are a lot younger and don’t believe my version of history, sad, much of our histories are so polluted with untruth or just left out important information. On another post you added the pegan myth site, i believe. I have done extensive research on that matter as well. Off point I am sorry. Although very little is left in print because of the Christian take over, 2500 years ago God was considered a woman, Goddess in fact because she brought forth life…..Blessings
September 19th, 2005 at 6:36 pmmighty aphrodite,
The first military offensive operation of The 6 Day War (which was in 1967, not early 1970s) was actually taken by Israel. They were not invaded. There were growing tensions over trade routes, and supply lines, and building military forces along the Israel border… but it was Israel that struck first.
The creation of the current state of Israel was simply that. It was created. Land was taken away from one people, and given to another. These are not the “spoils of war.”
“The spoils of war.” Jesus. I question the humanity of anyone who uses that phrase. The true “spoils of war” are not the riches of the conquered by the conqueror. It’s the rotting of the humans killed in the war. The destruction of life. The extermination of peace. The death of the innocent, perpetrated by the wealthy.
“States are not moral agents.” -Chomsky
September 19th, 2005 at 6:42 pmSharon,
Actually you should pick up some books on Gnostic Christianity. They contain the book of mary and a variety of other books that you’d find interesting. These gnostic texts were ordered destroyed by Rome to consolidate power, but many survived in 2 separate caches (one being well known – the dead see scrolls). The gnostics believed that the god of israel was the son of ashera (the goddess) and that she created him to provide order to the universe. In his ego, he thought therefore he ‘was god’, and tried to ursurp her. She sent Jesus here to better balance the feminine according to the gnostic texts. The texts that actually cover this were removed from the ‘masculated’ version of the final bible.
Please remember that the 4 books that make up the modern bible were un-named, and unattributed to any particular writer. St. Augustine just gave them the names mathew, mark, luke and john to make them sound more authoratative. They weren’t even written until ~100 years after his death, and they were written in greek not aramaic. The resulting purge of doctrine left a very narrow view of the christ myth compared to the now surviving gnostic texts…
They’re actually a much more interesting read than the 4 chosen books, and many of them are truly beautiful works of poetry…
September 19th, 2005 at 6:53 pm““States are not moral agents.†-Chomsky”
Neither are republicans…
September 19th, 2005 at 6:54 pmElvis,
You are so right. In fact Israel used the same ‘pre-emptive strike’ doctrine that Hitler had used, and that bush used for Iraq. The one that most civilized nations reject, but for some reason our two countries both accept – I wonder why?
September 19th, 2005 at 7:04 pmDo you think that anyone would listen to Rush if they had to LOOK at him while listening? He really is a big, fat, drug-addicted, hate-filled idiot.
September 19th, 2005 at 7:05 pmJane,
I’m afraid that 30%+ listen to Bush, and he looks like a howdy doodie puppet with karl rove’s hand up his a$$…
September 19th, 2005 at 7:25 pmRyan and Elvis, don’t quote that Marxist Chomsky and expect me to credit you with intelligence. (Ryan, when will you let me know if you sponged off Mom and Dad for your multiple degrees?) Back to your defense of Islamic whack jobs. I included both attacks on Israel. And then to further my argument – please refute the 1972 Munich Massacre.(Did those pesky Jews, bring it on themselves? They did? By their policy against Islamic whack jobs?) I thought by your parsing of words I would clarify – THEIR MISSILES INVADED ISRAELI TERRITORY FROM THREE SIDES DURING THE ATTACK. By the way, you parse so well , did you work for the Big Dog?
Ryan, I know one of your degrees was NOT a law degree because you do not know the definition of murder – a clue: mens rea & actus reus. ****Hint: necessary components!!!!! Good-bye for a couple of days, idiotis!
September 19th, 2005 at 8:34 pmElvi – Your umbrage at my “spoils of war” argument- weak and emotional!!
September 19th, 2005 at 8:37 pmElvis,
See what a bitch the goddess can be? She ignores the fact that Israel was the aggressor and just blankly pretends like her lie is the truth…
Defense of islamic whack jobs – great strawman argument. I defend both israel and palestian peoples – despite the fact that both appear to have terrorist leaderships at present… It takes sanity to distinguish ambiguity, it’s clear you’re too high on olympus, because your brain isn’t functioning rationally enough to qualify…
“And then to further my argument – please refute the 1972 Munich Massacre.”
That’s as insane as the murdering of entire palestinian families to kill of an enemy. Both are acts of terror, and both show leadership too immoral to lead their people. That’s why I believe it’s the duty of the UN and the international community to forcibly partition and separate the peoples. It’s clear neither are rational enough to govern.
“Ryan, I know one of your degrees was NOT a law degree because you do not know the definition of murder – a clue: mens rea & actus reus. ****Hint: necessary components!!!!! ”
Well I’m assuming you are a lawyer, because your desire to parse language and frame a debate to ‘win your argument’ is consistent with the immorality that often results from your profession. You begin to see the grey area as normal and the black area as desirable…
“Good-bye for a couple of days, idiotis!”
Please make it longer? It’s clear you have nothing of value to contribute here but snide remarks, and irrelevant lies. Come back when you actually know something other than latin…
And why is it so important for you to know how my college was funded – will it help you frame an opinion of me so you can ignore more of the relevant facts? I’m not sure I see how it’s relevant – I’m clearly more capable of debating you despite your extensive legal training? Looks like your parents money was truly wasted on an ambulance chasing moron…
And once again, if you feel so strongly about israel, why do you pretend to be an american? It’s clear your allegiance is to your homeland and not america…
September 19th, 2005 at 8:44 pm“Elvi – Your umbrage at my “spoils of war†argument- weak and emotional!!”
Too bad you have no emotion or compassion – only bitter stupid hate. Are you still single, because man on man you have a chip on your ugly shoulder!
September 19th, 2005 at 8:45 pm” Israel launched a pre-emptive strike against Egypt on June 5, 1967 and captured the Sinai Peninsula and the Gaza Strip. Despite an Israeli appeal to Jordan to stay out of the conflict, Jordan attacked Israel and lost control of the West Bank and the eastern sector of Jerusalem. Israel went on to capture the Golan Heights from Syria. The war ended on June 10.”
Ah wah miss goddess, and imagine that – they shot missles from 3 sides because israel attacked them? I’m shocked – just shocked!
Get a clue you witless zionist!
September 19th, 2005 at 8:48 pmTHE DRUG ADDICT: “[T]he one thing that [the left] cannot risk is an on-site display and illustration of conservatism working.”
So he’s saying that literally throwing unworldly amounts of cash at an area devastated by a hurricane, with no real controls in place, with the graft already starting, with no-bid contracts to politically connected companies, with a political operative directing the corruption (instead of a talented administrator who has proven him/herself with such massive reconstruction projects), THAT THESE ARE EXAMPLES OF “CONSERVATISM WORKING?” Damn, I’ve gotta get me some of those pills the fat boy’s poppin’ into his piehole!!!
September 19th, 2005 at 10:27 pmGood on my man Rush. We can use the death and destruction to tear down the left insead of helping all those minority types.
September 19th, 2005 at 10:31 pmWhat you have to keep in mind about Geo. W. Bush is that if his father had been a truck driver named Smith, we would never have heard of the son.
September 20th, 2005 at 3:44 amNed, you are a jackass beyond compare. I hope you’re hungry, because you will soon be eating every idiotic word that comes out of your mouth. Seen Bush’s numbers lately? They keep droppin’, and blind dummies like you without an original thought in their head just keep defending the indefensible, spitting out today’s repuglickin shlocking points no matter how absurd, illogical, and/or false. Your side is so desperate right now, yet you have absolutely no idea, do you? You won’t be seeing a Fox special on that any time soon. May God have mercy on your soul. You have my pity, dumb bastard.
September 20th, 2005 at 5:14 amNo, the conservatives haven’t had a chance yet to showcase their policies, since they only have control of all three branches of government.
What have we been seeing so far? That’s not conservatism?
Bush plan to give all the money to the civically-minded corporations to trickle down upon the New Orleanians is just brilliant! It will be a cakewalk! Those poor people will greet Halliburton as liberators . . .
Oh wait, different display of conservatism . . .
September 20th, 2005 at 7:21 amI gave a listen to the OXY-MORON yesterday. As the sh*t hits the fan for Chimpy McF*ckup and his “faithful” worshippers, Rush is now shouting how N.O. is a “golden opportunity!” It’s painfully clear, considering his mood, delivery and content, that he doging the show highly medicated. He even admitted, “Bush doen’t have to answer to the public,” becasue people “with talent on loan from God” such as Rush, will respond to any FAQs. The real question is how much is this bloated bastard getting paid? Wanna bet that Rush is “high” on the list to get special favor from Rove? Ewww, Rove handling Rush, shutter the thought!
Corporate pigs like this won’t vomit lies on demand in public unless they are getting paid large amounts of “worship” money.
September 20th, 2005 at 8:05 amWhy isn’t Rush Lardball in jail? Oh hell, whey didn’t he just overdose, damn it!
September 20th, 2005 at 8:35 amThank’s Ryan, more winter reading for me is a good thing. Will add these to my list and hit the book store and library….Blessings
September 20th, 2005 at 10:17 amRush – the original Oxy-con (the drug addicted version of a neo-con) – is simply projecting. He knows,in truth, that Katrina was the storm that has ruined the ideology of the right. Katrina has proved that no government (except government to aid the wealthy pollute, steal and cheat) means no protection.
This OXYCON knows that this does not mean the end of the 60 year era of the liberal left but the end of THE BUSH ERROR of the last five years.
September 20th, 2005 at 11:56 amWho the heck are these people, and where did they come from?
Are they really Americans, they seem to show so much disdain for the rest of us, not like them. They give the word “hate” a new meaning.
September 20th, 2005 at 2:31 pmI am so sorry. I used to be a neocon, but after all these postings I now see the light. I was a stupid fool. I’m joining with you guys now. I am so ashamed.
September 20th, 2005 at 3:24 pmmighty aphrodite,
Is emotion taboo in your world? Have you ever been on either side of “the spoils of war?” If not, where do you get off defining it?
In regards to your post #151: “I AM prejudiced against Islamic whack-jobs!”
There is absolutely no way that there could ever be peace and understanding in the world as long as there is this type of prejudice in the world. Congratulations on being a stumbling block on the road to peace.
Prejudice, in my opinion, is the most pure for of absolute ignorance.
You know nothing about Chomsky, to speak of him in such a way.
September 21st, 2005 at 12:10 amPills Limbaugh will become one of the biggest jokes of world history in the years to come. He is like your appendix, a vestige of a time that is no more, a voice gasping for the past not to recede. It’s all over. You are watching the last rites of the robber barons 2005AD. The left is here.Pagliacci Rush and his dittoheads are there.
September 21st, 2005 at 1:28 amWhat for God’s sake will it take for the American People to wake up, and start electing leadings who are in their best interest?
September 21st, 2005 at 2:46 amAphrodite (164), as for the Munich massacre, we still keep hearing about that – and I hear there’s even a movie in the works. But how come nobody remembers Sabra and Shatila? Many times as many defenseless Palestinians were killed: women, children, the elderly and infirm, all while they were in a refugee camp. This matches the worst of Hitler’s atrocities, and the grand enabler of this deed was none other than Ariel Sharon.
The Palestinians always are painted as terrorists and killers by both the Zionists and the American right (hard to tell them apart these days) when in fact Israel has killed over three times as many Palestinians, as have been killed by them.
That doesn’t even take into account collective punishment by Israel, bulldozing of homes, plowing of ancient vineyards and olive groves belonging to Palestinians and the debasement of an entire people for the sins of a tiny minority, treatment of a kind that no civilized culture would even subject animals to.
There is a terrible double standard applied here; whether this is due to appalling ignorance of facts or stunning hypocrisy – well, you decide.
September 21st, 2005 at 3:27 amFriends,
Don’t respond to the republicans trolling on the site. It isn’t worth your time explaining your position to a person who has absolutely no interest in it. Don’t respond and fight with them. Don’t let them re-frame the argument either. They love to ridicule. It gives them a chance to flaunt their self-imposed superiority. Don’t talk to them and they lose interest and go away. Right wingers have their own websites. Let them go play there.
September 21st, 2005 at 12:46 pmTry posting on those right-wing blogs. You will find that if you are not a ditto-head your posting is blocked.
September 21st, 2005 at 8:17 pmYes LMO, I’ve tried posting on “Blogs for Bush” and unless you’re one of them, they will only put you up for the purpose of ridicule and invective. I was called a liar for recalling a conversation I had with an F18 pilot who flew missions over Baghdad at the beginning of the war. When I objected they refused my subsequent posts for “objectionable content.” It offended them that I could even make such a reference. That pretty much said it all.
September 21st, 2005 at 11:11 pmmarabab,
The reichwing blogs all censor because their side is nothing but propagandist fascists. It’s easier for a republican with a different opinion to post on this site than on a right wing site. They’re really freaky and creepy people – truly deranged as a whole… They talk about the left in hateful terms, yet they don’t have enough confidence to handle a public cricism of their opinions. But since their opinions are SO easily debunked, I’m not surprised they desperately try to shut out the truth in case some on the fencer woke up…
September 24th, 2005 at 4:28 am[...] So when I see Rush Limbaugh, for example, Writing of Katrina that, “We Can Make This a Category 5 Hurricane Destruction of the Left†by rebuilding in the aftermath with enterprize zones, I get a little confused and annoyed. Because, actually, I think enterprise zones are a good idea. The problem is that when he refers to EZ’s, he means the Republican version, which as the always insightful Naiomi Klein observes, amounts to little more than a transfer of wealth to those who already the primary owners of the American “owenership society.” [...]
September 24th, 2005 at 5:34 pmone religion and the state do not go together…islam must give up its fight to rule nations…now i think there does need to be some religion in a nation… there is nothing wrong with “under god” in our pledge it stands for all gods that a person might want to hold on high it simply means higher power….want to put the 10 commandments in school? that is fine as long as you can put up a hindu text as well but in some parts of the country there are no hindus so what is the harm of having just the 10 commandments….also many problems that a prsident must face are “hold overs” caused by a past president….so do not blame bush for everything…if you want to blame someone you may as well take it all the way back to george washington…no smart ass remarks are needed for this statement i am just trying to make a point (example hoover gets blamed for the great depression and it was not his fault…he was not an uncaring monster …he just came into office at a bad time)….now for you liberals…America is going down the shitter…i blame you….no one has pride and honor anymore…nothing is sacred….kids do not respect their elders….movies and music are full of hate and violence…the welfare system makes people lazy and traps them in their poor state…i am not rich but i am a republican…i feel that if you are willing to work, save, live an honorable and moral life, and not try to force your way of life on others(gays for example) then you can make it in america and be happy and prosperous….give some support to the army..those men are fighting for you…not bush …we are a government of the people…these men knew what they were getting into when they joined the armed forces…Cindy needs to honor her son and the government with support instead of protesting.
October 5th, 2005 at 2:13 pmpost #193 by OKconserv:
>>”one religion and the state do not go together…”
Agreed. Most Democrats and liberals agree. The state should not present religious doctrine as enforceable law. That includes here in America.
>>”there is nothing wrong with “under god†in our pledge it stands for all gods that a person might want to hold on high it simply means higher power”
Actually “under god” implies monotheism. Under your argument, though, you should have no disagreement with changing it to, “…one nation, under our gods…”, which would be much more accurate (though still leaving athiests and some others out, but it is more encompassing). If the claim is that the statement is not a religious testimony, then this little change (adding “our” and pluralizing “god” to “gods”) is not offensive to Christians (et.al.) and would be more accurate.
>>”want to put the 10 commandments in school? that is fine as long as you can put up a hindu text as well but in some parts of the country there are no hindus so what is the harm of having just the 10 commandments”
Then it should be broad sweeping. If a teacher or administrator wants to put up ANY religious dogma tract then it should be fine and unquestionable. To limit it to one list (and by the way, there actually are several versions of the Ten Commandments, depending on the translation and which actual religion you pick it from) from one religion is endorsing that one religion. Are not children supposed to be “impressionable”? The problem is not as much what is in the Ten Commandments, it is the source – their mere display is arguably an attempt at indoctrination. That is the problem with “just having the Ten Commandments.” Though there is the issue of the first (or second in some variants): “I am the Lord thy God, thou shall have no Gods before me.” That’s a pretty straightforward statement. Worship Me only. That could leave the Hindu child quite confused, now could it not? If the answer is that the parents and/or religious leaders should explain and teach their religion to their child, then why not leave out the Ten Commandments and let the parents and religious teachers of those families teach their children about the dogma and doctrine of their professed religion at home as well? What is the great need to display them in public buildings? No one is saying you can’t put a 15′ Ten Commandments monument in front of your church or temple. Go ahead.
On the prior problems thing you have some points. The matter is, though, to CAREFULLY determine whether the problems were actually from prior administrations, or whether they were generated by current administration policies.
>>”now for you liberals…America is going down the shitter…i blame you….no one has pride and honor anymore…nothing is sacred….kids do not respect their elders”
You begin with a divisive statement. “you liberals”. The majority of these liberals who are in charge of everything “going down the shitter” do have pride and honor – that is why they are asking for REAL accountability, and information, and honesty from the government. Last I looked, the liberals are not running the country. “Nothing is sacred?” That statement needs qualification – it vague and generalized to the point of being untrue. Children having no respect is, I agree, a generally true statement, but it is across the board. It is not just the “liberal” children who have no respect (how about the children of the two Bushes? Drugs, underage drinking, arrests…. all while their fathers, in office, preach from thier office about family values and moral living… the failure is not the liberals, it is the parents, in all classes). Movies and music, like big business (to include, but not limited to, oil companies), simply are seeking the highest profit margin. Death, violence, and sex sell, whether it is in war or on the movie screen.
>>”the welfare system makes people lazy and traps them in their poor state…i am not rich but i am a republican…i feel that if you are willing to work, save, live an honorable and moral life, and not try to force your way of life on others(gays for example) then you can make it in america and be happy and prosperous”
I have never been on welfare. I have worked hard all my life, and I can’t make enough to save anything. I live a moral and honorable life, and will not compromise my principles for anything. I am barely getting by, and certainly not prosperous. That’s me. Maybe I’m alone in that, if your theory is correct: perhaps I am that small statistic that slips through the cracks… though I doubt it. And are you claiming that gays force thier way of life on others? I am not gay, but I have known many gays (men and women), and have never met a single gay who tries to force their way of life on anyone. I HAVE however answered the door of my home many a time to have some Christian or another (surprisingly never a Hare Krishna… are they still around?) who wants to preach to me about how I should follow their way of thinking – they try to impose their way of life on me. And, as I am not impolite, I have to listen to quite a bit of their trash before I can find a polite moment to tell them I am not interested, or that I am actually rather busy and don’t have time to listen to them preach. This is not a T.V. that I can just turn off. I have yet to see a gay go door to door trying to extoll the virtues of being gay and reprimand me for not being gay.
>>”give some support to the army..those men are fighting for you…not bush …we are a government of the people…these men knew what they were getting into when they joined the armed forces…Cindy needs to honor her son and the government with support instead of protesting”
Most Americans in general, still remembering the disgraceful treatment of Veitnam Vets, ARE supportive of the troops. One can support the men and women in our army and yet be against the war. If this dissention is a “morale problem”, then perhaps there is a problem with the military action itself.
October 6th, 2005 at 4:35 pmThose men and women are not fighting “for me” , as you put it. I did not send them. The enemy they are fighting have no feasable means to attack our country as an army, and, as the administration repeatedly reminds us, the troops are mainly there to bring democracy and stability to Iraq. Sorry. I don’t really care about Iraq. We have too many problems here to be prancing around other countries. Let’s get our crap straight before we go rattling our sabre at others. Cindy has been labeled a protester, but, at least as she claims, what she wants is not to just protest – she wants answers. She is honoring her son’s memory by trying to learn the truth about why her son died – what precisely is the cause that he died for? That is her right as a free citizen in a country that harps on freedom of speech: this is exactly the kind of speech the amandment was intended to protect. Those who want to deny her that freedom are anti-american, as you wish to deny a constitutional right. The administration has no single story. As their original justifactions were proven false, the administration just kept throwing out different and new justifications. I’d like to see a comprehensive list of that: the white houses’ list of reasons, from the very beginning up until today, for invading Iraq. You seem to imply, though, that by “supporting the troops and the government” anyone who disagrees should just shut up and fall in line. That attitude is in keeping with the administration’s viewpoint: you are either with us, or you are the enemy. Dissention is not viewed as healthy or democratic. Unfortunately dissention is REQUISITE to have a functional democracy. No dissention and you have fascism or a dictatorship.
perhaps i was to general with my statements…i just slapped it out there without thinking deeply into it….i know that all of americas problems are not to be blamed on liberals but i must say that i care little for their reforms and feel that they will only take use farther(down the shitter)….so you have to answer the door and talk to holly rollers…you see more gays on tv now days than “holly rollers”(be they mormans christens the jw’s) queer eye for the straight-will and grace-boy meets boy-countless sitcoms have gays on them its like the “token black guy” but its the token gay…..i have no problem with gays but where i come from that was something you did not brag about you kept it in the closet….you did not take pride in it….you become gay for a number of reasons some are born gay but some become gay because of society…its ok to be confused but i feel that there would be less confusion about what a proper sex life is if you didnt have gays coming out of the wood work…personaly i dont want to ever have to talk to two dads or two moms or explain to my own child why billy has two dads or two moms …regardless of religion this is not natures way. as far as the iraq war goes if you recall we asked sadam to let weapons inspectors in he stalled we then said get out he did not get out so we went in…if american history tells the world anything its play ball with us and you will be ok …i can not help it thats the way the world is and i like it…we dont bluff…i am not saying every war was right we made mistakes…but if cidy wants an answer why he son died the answer is he joined the armed forces…you join the armed forces you know you will be asked to fight….its fair now no more draft no more college cop outs…you join on your own free will….but only poor people join?…it is not shameful to join the armed forces…they pay well they have retirement they will get you into and out of college….the only trade off is that …oh gosh golly gee you might have to go fight a war?…in the armed forces nooooooo how did this happen?…i dont know who to blame for americas down fall liberals or conservatives…i dont know… but i do think that america has lost touch with what it means to be an american…cindy has the right to say whatever she wants i never said she couldnt i said she shouldnt…i will stand up for anyones rights as they are spelled out in the constitution….but we sometimes take the constitution too far and i think it can be shaped and bent to suit to many wants…its hard to live by rules written 200 years ago but somehow we have…i was born in 82 and i think life in the 40s, 50s, was better than what i have grown up with…do not take me the wrong way i mean life on a whole was better regardless of war…war is a fact of life america has a good conflict every generation…now back to past life i am sure a black man does not see it this way or a gay man…they have rights too and perhaps they are happy with the america of today….i think the civil rights movement was a good thing and gay rights too….but i think many people have to agree that the black and gay communties and their cultures are far from what they all hoped for in the 60s and 70s did they really want will and grace and boy meets boy? gangster rap and ebonics? i said before you can only blame today on those from yesterday but somewhere back then it all went wrong and we need to try and get back to before it went wrong(pre-post civil war post rvolution? who knows?)….liberals do not want to go back thats why i disagree with them. i feel the answers are not ahead of us they are behind us we need to fix what has gone wrong and live with what cant be fixed(example: white flight? there is no law that says blacks and whites have to like each other and cant try to get away from each other…there were plans at one time to make oklahoma an all black state) i fear this blog is as random as the last but i am short on time and i rather think i am short on backing up my argument but i hope someone sees my main point.
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