Why does Sen. John Edwards refuse to keep his own state’s ADAP program properly funded so people living with HIV aren’t put on a waiting list, or better still, forced to relocate to other states while ill?
I appreciate his efforts, but as a North Carolinian, I would have preferred if he had fought against Richard Burr to keep his senate seat as a Democrat rather than run with Kerry. I’m personally still seething that Kerry gave up so easily and conceded the election without even trying. Especially considering the fact that he knew what was at stake…. Look at us now!
What was Kerry supposed to do? Repeat Gore’s mistake of contesting an outcome that was obvious after the second and third recount? He at least was a gentleman and knew when to throw in the towel.
There come the stupid comments about electability and “oh, he should’ve done that.” What about the things the guy is saying. He is clearly the only one with the vision, strength, and intelligence to legislate progressive ideals.
Conservatives vote based on who they believe in, whose ideas they agree with…not on superficial things like “oh, he has no elected power.” Bush was a one term Governor! Conservatives vote based on convictions and that is why we win.
Progressives continue to look into trivial political things in their candidates.. rather than their ideas, convictions, and beliefs. Kerry was supposed to be the most electable guy out of the pack…. yet we never understood his philosophy at the deepest level.
So, please… let’s think what are candidates want to do and fight for… rather than complain about superficial concerns.
What was Kerry supposed to do? Repeat Gore’s mistake of contesting an outcome that was obvious after the second and third recount?
What the heck are you talking about? NORC proved that Gore would’ve won had the votes being counted. And that’s not even including all of the alleged-but-not-actual felons who had been illegally disenfranchised by the Bushies.
In Kerry’s case, there was and is a mountain of evidence that the Bushies cheated in just about every way imaginable. See freepress.org. Kerry did nothing. I don’t call that gentlemanly, I call it at best wimpy, and at worst complicit.
Conservatives vote based on who they believe in, whose ideas they agree with…not on superficial things like “oh, he has no elected power.†Bush was a one term Governor! Conservatives vote based on convictions and that is why we win.
Actually, you win by using rigged Diebold machines and by disenfranchising people likely to vote against you.
But I actually agree with the larger point you were making. We Democrats need to stop worrying about “electability” and start nominating people whom we can trust to honestly represent our views and interests.
#12, Gary,
We agree. Rigged machines, disenfranchised voters were proven facts in the 2000 election. I don’t know why Kerry conceded so readily – he just doesn’t seem to have the fire and courage of his youth.
I like Edwards – I liked what he said in 2004, but that is history now and while I am happy that he is continuing to draw audiences, I don’t know where it can lead. Now if the rest of the Democrats would speak out like Bill Clinton has over this weekend, we might have something to talk about.
“Conservatives vote based on convictions and that is why we win?”
Conservatives vote on greed, selfishness, fear and hatred… The reason you ‘win’ is that you cheat because you believe the ends justify the means… Any ‘convictions’ you may have are around the righteousness of your criminal acts – but that’s about it. You’re a big bunch of stupid lying hypocrits!
“Conservatives vote based on convictions and that is why we win?â€
You are delusional. Conservatives vote for reasons of greed, racial prejudice and self-centeredness; on a social level, they vote for limits on individual freedoms, their religious leaders’ instructions, and their need for power – and we all know money = power.
Kerry was a pussywimp. He never stood up to the not so swiftboat vets. He never challenged the smear, he just took it. He never actually gave Bush a whatfor. Worse still, he voted FOR the war. Instead of explainint the vote and his reasons for it he gave ammo to the republican smear machine by that “I voted for it before I voted against it” bullcrap. He was a crappy candidate. Spineless, but better than the Lier in Chief, er Commander in Thief, er the idiot we’re stuck with now.
God, I pray that the Dem’s pull their heads out of their asses. They need to start getting a message, and sticking to it. They need to get organized and come up with a reason, ANY reason for the population to not vote for the NeoCon’s in 06 and in 08. The DUHbuhya empire builders have bungled, tripped, gaffed, smirked, and blundered their way through the last 5 years. People just need a REASONABLY viable alternative. To paraphrase that 80s movie “Heartbreak Ridge”. America is looking for a few good men… unfortunately they ain’t it.
If the Dems can scrape up a viable candidate with clean hands in the Iraq fiasco, they have a chance to capitalize on the utter disaster that has been the Bush Dynasty. If not, We are SKEEeerued.
And yet according the the exit polls, Kerry won the election by 3 million votes. Remember that when you want to beat up kerry. The other side cheats because they’re treasonous and unamerican – and that’s the real issue.
I like Edwards and his statements. Perhaps his words will motivate those who want a change. What happened in the past, Gore and Kerry, doesn’t really matter now, does it? We need to change the present in order to prepare for the future. That is what should be discussed here. Shouldn’t we leave the political diatribes to those that focus on simply that and not working to help our country, our world and our citizens? JE may not have a chance in the election in 2008; however, he needs to motivate voters towards change sooner. Hopefully, he can do that.
Ryan, it doesn’t surprise me. Given what a disaster Shrub is. However, Kerry is still a pussywimp for not bothering to follow up on it. If he had the guts, maybe he wouldn’t have needed to depend only on Ohio. Face it, he was a sub optimal candidate. Edwards would have been much better, hell I can think of several who would have been better. Kerry seemed to just give up at the end, and why not? He still had a job as a Senator. I didn’t vote FOR Kerry as much as it was a vote AGAINST Bush. I think MOST folks were like that.
Radical Conspiracy Theory: With the right-wing’s amazing ability to manipulate the mass media to their liking, what if THEY actually operated to insure that Kerry, a very BEATABLE candidate, was selected as the democratic contender? If so, I guarantee you that they are already thinking about who THEY would like to be the next democratic candidate so they are insured a victory.
I think Edwards would of had more of a chance than Kerry of winning the presidency. I would of voted for Edwards for President. I voted for Kerry and was surprise he did not win.
Edwards had more in common with the average american family because his parents worked for a living.
He was not born with a silver spoon in his mouth. I hope who ever the Dems pick in 2008 can win.
They did manipulate the press. In fact the ‘dean scream’ was created by a directional microphone that drowned out the crowd noise he was screaming above. It made it look like he was just a screaming madman, but apparently the video footage with the background noise makes everything look quite normal. Only the video with the directional audio was ever shown in the mainstream media – that’s a smear and manipulation.
Now that being said, according to post election analysis Kerry won with over 3 million votes. So in otherwords they had already lost the american people and kerry won despite their efforts to manipulate the press and the election.
Why does Sen. John Edwards refuse to keep his own state’s ADAP program properly funded so people living with HIV aren’t put on a waiting list, or better still, forced to relocate to other states while ill?
September 19th, 2005 at 3:01 pmFinally, there is hope
September 19th, 2005 at 3:09 pmfor the Democratic Party.
Ex-senator Edwards does not have any elected power.
September 19th, 2005 at 3:14 pmEdwards is past. He can’t even care for his own state.
September 19th, 2005 at 3:33 pmI appreciate his efforts, but as a North Carolinian, I would have preferred if he had fought against Richard Burr to keep his senate seat as a Democrat rather than run with Kerry. I’m personally still seething that Kerry gave up so easily and conceded the election without even trying. Especially considering the fact that he knew what was at stake…. Look at us now!
September 19th, 2005 at 3:50 pmTaco Loco,
What was Kerry supposed to do? Repeat Gore’s mistake of contesting an outcome that was obvious after the second and third recount? He at least was a gentleman and knew when to throw in the towel.
September 19th, 2005 at 4:02 pmThere come the stupid comments about electability and “oh, he should’ve done that.” What about the things the guy is saying. He is clearly the only one with the vision, strength, and intelligence to legislate progressive ideals.
Conservatives vote based on who they believe in, whose ideas they agree with…not on superficial things like “oh, he has no elected power.” Bush was a one term Governor! Conservatives vote based on convictions and that is why we win.
Progressives continue to look into trivial political things in their candidates.. rather than their ideas, convictions, and beliefs. Kerry was supposed to be the most electable guy out of the pack…. yet we never understood his philosophy at the deepest level.
So, please… let’s think what are candidates want to do and fight for… rather than complain about superficial concerns.
September 19th, 2005 at 4:10 pmTaco Loco, I’m with you. Cousin Kerry conceded 18 hours after the polls closed in Ohio despite rampant charges of voter shenanigans, a la, Florida.
Maybe this is what happens when you run against a fellow Skull and Bonesman?
September 19th, 2005 at 4:12 pmWhat was Kerry supposed to do? Repeat Gore’s mistake of contesting an outcome that was obvious after the second and third recount?
What the heck are you talking about? NORC proved that Gore would’ve won had the votes being counted. And that’s not even including all of the alleged-but-not-actual felons who had been illegally disenfranchised by the Bushies.
In Kerry’s case, there was and is a mountain of evidence that the Bushies cheated in just about every way imaginable. See freepress.org. Kerry did nothing. I don’t call that gentlemanly, I call it at best wimpy, and at worst complicit.
September 19th, 2005 at 4:12 pmGood news from the “Ownership Society” …. Tyco execs gets 8 to 25 in prison …
http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=auZKouUAtz3g&refer=news_index
September 19th, 2005 at 4:15 pmI’m guessing Kerry’s bunch knew who it was going to be handed to from the start.
September 19th, 2005 at 4:17 pmConservatives vote based on who they believe in, whose ideas they agree with…not on superficial things like “oh, he has no elected power.†Bush was a one term Governor! Conservatives vote based on convictions and that is why we win.
Actually, you win by using rigged Diebold machines and by disenfranchising people likely to vote against you.
But I actually agree with the larger point you were making. We Democrats need to stop worrying about “electability” and start nominating people whom we can trust to honestly represent our views and interests.
September 19th, 2005 at 4:18 pmConservatives vote based on convictions and that is why we win?
I thought Bush said he wasn’t into Nation Building. I thought conservatives believed in fiscal responsibility.
September 19th, 2005 at 4:19 pmP.S. If what you say is true, then your convictions have no honor.
September 19th, 2005 at 4:20 pm#12, Gary,
September 19th, 2005 at 4:33 pmWe agree. Rigged machines, disenfranchised voters were proven facts in the 2000 election. I don’t know why Kerry conceded so readily – he just doesn’t seem to have the fire and courage of his youth.
I like Edwards – I liked what he said in 2004, but that is history now and while I am happy that he is continuing to draw audiences, I don’t know where it can lead. Now if the rest of the Democrats would speak out like Bill Clinton has over this weekend, we might have something to talk about.
September 19th, 2005 at 4:36 pmOff topic:
Cindy Sheehan was just arrested for rally without permit in NY?
More to come I suppose.
September 19th, 2005 at 4:38 pm“Conservatives vote based on convictions and that is why we win?”
Conservatives vote on greed, selfishness, fear and hatred… The reason you ‘win’ is that you cheat because you believe the ends justify the means… Any ‘convictions’ you may have are around the righteousness of your criminal acts – but that’s about it. You’re a big bunch of stupid lying hypocrits!
September 19th, 2005 at 4:55 pmhttp://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/19/154239/638
All I can find at the moment.
September 19th, 2005 at 5:00 pm“Conservatives vote based on convictions and that is why we win?â€
September 19th, 2005 at 5:01 pmYou are delusional. Conservatives vote for reasons of greed, racial prejudice and self-centeredness; on a social level, they vote for limits on individual freedoms, their religious leaders’ instructions, and their need for power – and we all know money = power.
I just read the report on Cindy… SCARY! I hope she is OK! Many thoughts and prayers for her safety and well-being.
September 19th, 2005 at 5:09 pmKerry was a pussywimp. He never stood up to the not so swiftboat vets. He never challenged the smear, he just took it. He never actually gave Bush a whatfor. Worse still, he voted FOR the war. Instead of explainint the vote and his reasons for it he gave ammo to the republican smear machine by that “I voted for it before I voted against it” bullcrap. He was a crappy candidate. Spineless, but better than the Lier in Chief, er Commander in Thief, er the idiot we’re stuck with now.
God, I pray that the Dem’s pull their heads out of their asses. They need to start getting a message, and sticking to it. They need to get organized and come up with a reason, ANY reason for the population to not vote for the NeoCon’s in 06 and in 08. The DUHbuhya empire builders have bungled, tripped, gaffed, smirked, and blundered their way through the last 5 years. People just need a REASONABLY viable alternative. To paraphrase that 80s movie “Heartbreak Ridge”. America is looking for a few good men… unfortunately they ain’t it.
If the Dems can scrape up a viable candidate with clean hands in the Iraq fiasco, they have a chance to capitalize on the utter disaster that has been the Bush Dynasty. If not, We are SKEEeerued.
September 19th, 2005 at 5:50 pmAnd yet according the the exit polls, Kerry won the election by 3 million votes. Remember that when you want to beat up kerry. The other side cheats because they’re treasonous and unamerican – and that’s the real issue.
September 19th, 2005 at 9:06 pmI like Edwards and his statements. Perhaps his words will motivate those who want a change. What happened in the past, Gore and Kerry, doesn’t really matter now, does it? We need to change the present in order to prepare for the future. That is what should be discussed here. Shouldn’t we leave the political diatribes to those that focus on simply that and not working to help our country, our world and our citizens? JE may not have a chance in the election in 2008; however, he needs to motivate voters towards change sooner. Hopefully, he can do that.
September 20th, 2005 at 5:03 amRyan, it doesn’t surprise me. Given what a disaster Shrub is. However, Kerry is still a pussywimp for not bothering to follow up on it. If he had the guts, maybe he wouldn’t have needed to depend only on Ohio. Face it, he was a sub optimal candidate. Edwards would have been much better, hell I can think of several who would have been better. Kerry seemed to just give up at the end, and why not? He still had a job as a Senator. I didn’t vote FOR Kerry as much as it was a vote AGAINST Bush. I think MOST folks were like that.
September 20th, 2005 at 9:29 amRadical Conspiracy Theory: With the right-wing’s amazing ability to manipulate the mass media to their liking, what if THEY actually operated to insure that Kerry, a very BEATABLE candidate, was selected as the democratic contender? If so, I guarantee you that they are already thinking about who THEY would like to be the next democratic candidate so they are insured a victory.
September 20th, 2005 at 10:31 amI think Edwards would of had more of a chance than Kerry of winning the presidency. I would of voted for Edwards for President. I voted for Kerry and was surprise he did not win.
September 20th, 2005 at 11:21 amEdwards had more in common with the average american family because his parents worked for a living.
He was not born with a silver spoon in his mouth. I hope who ever the Dems pick in 2008 can win.
#1 – What an idiot post. John Edwards has nothing to do whatsoever with his states HIV plan.
He is not in local or state government idiot.
September 20th, 2005 at 12:51 pmTaco,
They did manipulate the press. In fact the ‘dean scream’ was created by a directional microphone that drowned out the crowd noise he was screaming above. It made it look like he was just a screaming madman, but apparently the video footage with the background noise makes everything look quite normal. Only the video with the directional audio was ever shown in the mainstream media – that’s a smear and manipulation.
Now that being said, according to post election analysis Kerry won with over 3 million votes. So in otherwords they had already lost the american people and kerry won despite their efforts to manipulate the press and the election.
September 20th, 2005 at 11:47 pm