Last week, after “more than an hour of solemn ceremony” swearing in Rep. Marco Rubio (R-FL) as House speaker, Gov. Jeb Bush stepped to the podium to tell “a short story about ‘unleashing Chang,’ his ‘mystical warrior’ friend.”
Below, courtesy of the Gainesville Sun, are Bush’s words, “spoken before hundreds of lawmakers and politicians”:
“Chang is a mystical warrior. Chang is somebody who believes in conservative principles, believes in entrepreneurial capitalism, believes in moral values that underpin a free society.
“I rely on Chang with great regularity in my public life. He has been by my side and sometimes I let him down. But Chang, this mystical warrior, has never let me down.”
Bush then unsheathed a golden sword and gave it to Rubio as a gift.
”I’m going to bestow to you the sword of a great conservative warrior,” he said, as the crowd roared.
To find out more about Jeb’s condition, click here.
I have an imaginary friend too. His name is loopy. He’s a polar bear who helps me fight crime.
September 20th, 2005 at 11:00 amGuessing Chang’s first name is Harvey and he’s a five foot tall pink rabbit, right Jeb?
I can’t see where taking the advice of an imaginary pink rabbit is any different from the current administration’s advice-gathering from that pool of “brilliant” minds…
September 20th, 2005 at 11:01 amJeb is crazy. Now I know the entire family isn’t well.
September 20th, 2005 at 11:03 amOh my sweet Jesus that’s funny.
September 20th, 2005 at 11:08 amJeb seems to be channeling the obsolete Cold War slogan: “Unleash Chiang Kai-shek!” And that was a dumb slogan even back then.
I think he just got into the habit and needed an updated explanation for it. (I can sympathize with that; under some stressful situations, I still blurt out “Death to Disco!”)
September 20th, 2005 at 11:09 am#2…
Hey, that’s Unfair… Harvey is a Pookah (a Celtic mythological entity) and is MUCH more real than Jeb’s “Mystical Warrior Friend” Oh and Harvey is six foot three and a half inches…
Did anyone submit Jeb to random drug screening recently? I think it would be most instructive. Given that most Americans have to pee to get a job (co-incidentally I know someone who failed a urine test because he “had too much water in” his urine.) and athletes are subjected to random drug testing, wouldn’t it be nice if Poiticians were too? I would feel more secure knowing that politicians are naturally delusional rather than high.
Z.
September 20th, 2005 at 11:10 amMaybe he’s on some of the same stuff his daughter and son use.
September 20th, 2005 at 11:20 amI am Jeb Bush, The Dungeon MASTER!
September 20th, 2005 at 11:20 amGood greif, this is just TOO easy. Sword, huh? Yeah, right, sword. BTW, how’s that drunken son of yours?
September 20th, 2005 at 11:26 amBy the power of this sword I will defend Castle GreySkull!!! I am He-Jeb!!
September 20th, 2005 at 11:33 amExcuse me GOP, but your lunacy is showing.
September 20th, 2005 at 11:34 amIt’s…Just…Too…Easy…
September 20th, 2005 at 11:38 am;-)
Fetal Alcohol Syndrome=Jeb
Botched coathanger job=George
It’s getting harder and harder to hear them talk about moral values.
September 20th, 2005 at 11:38 amThat was some good sh*t, man…
September 20th, 2005 at 11:40 amAn imaginary Chang is a hell of a lot better than a real Turdblossom.
September 20th, 2005 at 11:44 amWhere are the Religious Right on this? The Firstborn Jebadiah, Successor by Birthright of the House of Bush is courting Satan’s demonic underling Chang the Soul Stealer, a terrible spirit embodied with a cheap sword, once hungering for the soul of the fallen maiden Terri Shiavo.
Jeb has turned away from Jeebus and has accepted the Rule of Satan.
Eat your heart out Mr. Harry Potter.
September 20th, 2005 at 11:50 amHey, thats Unca Karl’s next employer, dimmit! Show a little respect!
September 20th, 2005 at 12:02 pmSomeone is playing too much World of Warcraft.
September 20th, 2005 at 12:15 pmthe crowd roared? scarry larry!!
September 20th, 2005 at 12:16 pmWho is his mystical bed buddy, Long Duck Dong?
September 20th, 2005 at 12:25 pm*****
Then he unsheathed his pink sword and had a sword fight with (Rube)Rubio. Thuper
I thought Pookahs were Russian? Like their house spirits the Domovoi? And no, I’m not referring to Anastasia’s dog, Pooka. . .
September 20th, 2005 at 12:25 pmMe thinks Jeb sniffed too much of the cocaine that he, his brother George and his father were importing into the US back in the late 80s.
The whole fucking bushlandia are crazy as a bat at feeding time.
September 20th, 2005 at 12:29 pmConservative warrior. Pure fantasy. Golden swords are for show. Hang it on the wall, and fool someone else into swinging a real one at a fictitious enemy.
September 20th, 2005 at 12:34 pm#21, No they’re Celtic… particularly Irish and Welsh… They are among the Sidhe and are considerably scarier than Harvey…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pookah
Z.
September 20th, 2005 at 12:40 pm… and all this time, I thought Jeb was the brain of that family.
September 20th, 2005 at 12:43 pmHard to believe that dumbya got the looks AND THE BRAINS in that family.
Hey Jeb, step away from the weed!
The crowd roared? With hysterical laughter!
Was this staged just to keep KKKarl rove’s treason off the news?
September 20th, 2005 at 12:50 pmI think I found Chang.
September 20th, 2005 at 1:33 pmhttp://starbulletin.com/2003/10/24/news/story6.html
Jeb, Jeb … dipping into the family stash again. My only question is whether we’re talking hillbilly heroin here, or whether he’s upgraded to hallucinagens.
September 20th, 2005 at 1:39 pmThis validates Frodo’s assertion that Jeb will be appearing as a “friend of the court” to determine the presence of spirits in an Orlando eatery. See “Who Ya Gonna Call” at http://loveysdaddyga.tripod.com/blogdirectory/
September 20th, 2005 at 1:42 pmAnd this is why the Lord is sending Rita to smite Jeb’s state — he’s worshiping false idols!
September 20th, 2005 at 1:42 pm#23 Ah, I see. Goddess bless the Wikipedia!
September 20th, 2005 at 1:51 pmThe Jebster and Chang in ‘08 !!
September 20th, 2005 at 1:54 pmTell me again how Jesus fits into all of this?
September 20th, 2005 at 2:13 pmJeb’s confusing the sound. He and his corrupt family only understand the ka-chang of haliburton’s cash register.
September 20th, 2005 at 2:19 pmI don’t know, sounds like a simple metaphor taken out of contex to me.
September 20th, 2005 at 2:25 pmHey Jeb, step away from the weed!
He’s been sharing with his crack addict criminal daughter (click here to see her mug shots high on crack: http://www.rotten.com/ library/ bio/ black-sheep/ noelle-bush/ ) and his drunk driving son (click here to see his mug shot drunk: http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/ John_E._%22Jeb%22_Bush_Jr. ).
The whole fucking family should be in JAIL.
September 20th, 2005 at 2:26 pm‘Chang’ is a common beer in Thailand. ‘Chang’ means ‘elephant’. It varies between 5% and 12% in strength, so it’s hard to say what effect it’ll have later in the day. Serious drinkers might even hallucinate.
Odd. I didn’t know it’d been exported..
September 20th, 2005 at 2:33 pmUnleashing Chang?
I thought he was going to whip out the old Johnson!
Mixter
September 20th, 2005 at 2:35 pmChang means elephant and has a distinctly phallic ring to it.
September 20th, 2005 at 2:38 pmGee whiz, another Bush hitting the sauce, whoda thunk it. Maybe he borrowed something from his daughter, or went out drinking with his sons. Maybe he partied with the Bush twins, or perhaps got looped on martinis with Babs and Popp while laughing at all the fun in New Orleans.
They are all pathological, but this just takes the cake.
September 20th, 2005 at 2:48 pmAt last, confirmation that the Bush dynasty measures up more than favorably against the Kennedys. Not only do we have hapless G.H.W. and compassionate Barb, as well as the peerless triumverate of venal Neil, mystical Jeb and clueless Dubya, there’s the gaggle of embarrassing grandkids. Too much to compete with for old Joe the adulterous rum-runner and his ambitious offspring!
September 20th, 2005 at 2:48 pmI’m no fan of the Bushes but I am a skeptic. In all fairness, see the original Gainesville article. It seems he’s not refering to something mystical but rather a famous Chinese mediator of some description. He’s actually metaphorically giving the new speaker the ability to mediate disputes within their Congress.
September 20th, 2005 at 2:51 pmIt was a typical neocon speech. The only difference was the name Chang instead of God or Jesus. The insert name here repub speeches are all alike, just a different name inserted for curiosity.
September 20th, 2005 at 2:54 pmFresh from her latest conversation with Eleanor Roosevelt, Hillary says this Chang thing is perfectly ok.
September 20th, 2005 at 2:54 pm#40 — And what about the metaphor he’s holding in his hands in the picture?
September 20th, 2005 at 2:56 pm‘Conservative warrior’ is an oxymoron.
September 20th, 2005 at 2:57 pmGood grief! The defective Bush genes are becoming apparent in every one in the family. In his family, alone, Jeb has troubled offspring, and now we see he gives “life” to inanimate objects. One brother is a white-collar criminal in business. His grandfather was a Nazi sympathizer who made his fortune in dirty deals. His father is involved in corporate deals with shady foreign nationals. His mother is a very rich and very nasty, very bossy and sharp tongued woman. His older brother is a former alcoholic and drug user, who bankrupted several businesses, ran a corrupt governorship, who made false claims to justify invading a nation to pillage its oil resources, and has left increased poverty, death and destruction in his wake. There is some bad DNA in that family.
September 20th, 2005 at 3:02 pm“The Great Warrior Chang” seems like in might be in a wee bit of a conflict with the tenets of the conservative Right’s definition of “the PROPER band of Christianity” don’t you think?
September 20th, 2005 at 3:04 pmI guess my brother and I one-upped the usual toddler/young child behavior.
We had imaginary countries that were in a cold war with each other! I guess that’s one way to act out sibling rivalries as well as make sense of the days’ news — when we were young (the early part of the Reagan years), the cold war certainly was all over TV, etc.
September 20th, 2005 at 3:04 pmChang must be short for “change” as in “Coin” and Coinage.”
You must have coin to be a Republican.
September 20th, 2005 at 3:05 pmBTW - many liberals believe in the same sorts of things “entrepreneurial capitalism”, “moral values underpinning society” etc.
It is just that we have very different ideas about what real capitalism and real moral values are …
September 20th, 2005 at 3:06 pmRefresh my memory, did jebbie serve in the military?
Did he fight in a war with bullets and bombs?
Did shrub?
How about those kids, aren’t they combat eligible?
Mighty warrior indeed. Warrior stock those bushies, aren’t they.
What a pathetic bunch of human excuses they truly are.
September 20th, 2005 at 3:07 pmfrom a sfgate.com story in 2004:
“Unleash Chang”: This is a phrase the previous President Bush often yelled while playing tennis (we don’t know if he was referencing to the onetime Taiwan leader or the American tennis pro). This President Bush should unleash his “Chang” in terms of rhetoric and vision, using big speeches to guide presidential historians. Eisenhower’s second term ended with his warning of a growing “military-industrial complex.” Reagan’s second term included a visit to Berlin to challenge the Soviets to “tear down this wall.” In the second Bush term, why not a trip to Europe and a showcase speech on U.S. foreign policy? Why not a visit to the University of Notre Dame (scene of eloquent speeches by Reagan and Mario Cuomo) to discuss religion, ethics and America’s moral fiber?
September 20th, 2005 at 3:08 pmChink is a mystical warrior. Chink is somebody who believes in conservative principles, believes in entrepreneurial capitalism, believes in moral values that underpin a free society.
September 20th, 2005 at 3:09 pmHey now, I think we’re being too hard on Brother Jeb here. To quote the Gainesville Sun article:
>>The saying was apparently quite popular with Gov. Bush’s father, and referred to a legendary warrior named Chang who was called upon to settle political disputes in Chinese dynasties of yore.
[Fortunately, we don’t have such dynasties today, not since the Kennedys. Oh, wait….]
>>The phrase has evolved, under Gov. Jeb Bush’s use, to mean the need to fix conflicts or disagreements over an issue. Faced with a stalemate, the governor apparently “unleashes Chang” as a rhetorical device, signaling it’s time to stop arguing and start agreeing.
[Don’t make me unleash my Chang on you! (Even rhetorically.)]
>>No word on if Rubio will unleash Chang, or the sword, as he faces squabbles in the future.
>>One of the more heavily lobbied issues in the 2006 Legislature is likely to be the proposal to change the way Florida regulates mail-order wine sales.
[Yes, of course, I should have known. Today we unleash Chang to solve mail-order wine sale disputes. I’m sure the legendary warrior would be so very proud.]
September 20th, 2005 at 3:10 pmWhy “Chang”??? Now, of course, my interest has been piqued and I must know how, where, and why Jeb picked this character. I need a life.
September 20th, 2005 at 3:12 pmNow all I need is Reverend Moon’s crown and I could (dare I say it?) RULE THE WORLD!
September 20th, 2005 at 3:13 pm“Chang” means “God.” His UNEVOLVED followers understand him. Oh yeah, but he’s FOREGIVEN. Well unless arrested.
September 20th, 2005 at 3:16 pmMaybe he took some of his daughter’s illegal drugs.
September 20th, 2005 at 3:18 pmJeb, hold your head “HIIIIIGGGGGGHHHHHHH.”
September 20th, 2005 at 3:19 pmUh-oh. Noelle spiked his coffee again!
September 20th, 2005 at 3:22 pmAnd Chang has the same number of letters as what other name? No, no, not “Paris”, I meant SATAN…
Figure it out for yourselves…
September 20th, 2005 at 3:25 pmIf I were his son, I would have him committed to the funny farm. I would change my name and keep on drinking.
No wonder he was driven to drink. I wouldn’t leave the bar. I’d buy Las Vegas girls Sufferin’ Bastards.
I’d be in leave of my senses.
However, if you have ever visited Florida, you would understand that it is perfectly normal for them.
September 20th, 2005 at 3:27 pmI don’t ever, ever, EVER want to hear another wingnut talking about Hillary talking to Eleanor Roosevelt’s ghost.
Jeb’s just given us the ultimate retort to that.
September 20th, 2005 at 3:29 pmMay be it was Chang that unleashed Jeb’s son from the Travis County Jail on PI/resisting arrest charges over the weekend.
September 20th, 2005 at 3:29 pmIt’s GENERAL CHANG from Star Trek.
September 20th, 2005 at 3:31 pmHmm, does anyone else remember Poppy and “Vic Damone”[1] or “Big Mo”[2]?
Every egg in the nest seems cracked.
1. http://www.findarticles.com/ p/ articles/ mi_m1282/ is_8_51/ ai_55746948
2. http://tinyurl.com/77gvp
September 20th, 2005 at 3:31 pmDo we have a prison large enough to house all these Neocons?
If not, start building them now. Hey, just think, we the people will be creating jobs for a change! See, we can do it on our own.
September 20th, 2005 at 3:31 pmSo when does somebody put a video of this up on the web?
September 20th, 2005 at 3:40 pmGallows humor sad to say. The listeners of right wing radio and television can’t wait to vote Jeb in as President and they will.
How does anyone get to them? Any answers?
September 20th, 2005 at 3:44 pmWhy didn’t he just thrust his hips sideways and yell “SCHWINGGG!”
September 20th, 2005 at 3:44 pmIt is Jelly Seinferd’s non-Asian gilrfliend, DonnaChang.
September 20th, 2005 at 3:48 pmMy guess is that ‘Chang’ is the Chinese agent who set up Neil Bush with the free hookers from which he got herpes from.
September 20th, 2005 at 3:48 pmChang chang chang, chang of fools!
September 20th, 2005 at 3:50 pmAll this has made me very happy. A supportive quote from Nancy Reagan and her astrologer could make me a bit happier, but this is just fine. Thank you. The whole family just makes their own rules when reality intrudes into their perverse world view, so we should not be too suprised. Please see the following:
http://www.laslospeaks.blogspot.com
Joel
September 20th, 2005 at 3:55 pmSomewhere… there’s a joke in here… if I could just put my finger on it.
September 20th, 2005 at 3:58 pmOMG..post on this thread are f’in hilarous!!
September 20th, 2005 at 3:59 pm….as for Jeb, the lunatics are certainly running the asylum.
Remember back in the 80’s when uppermiddle class white males were reading books like “Iron John” and running around in the woods playing Cro-Magnons to regain touch with their civilization diluted manhood? This is where this came from. jeb and a bunch of other too much money and time on their hands bully boys went to one of these revitalization-fleecing camps,beat drums,wore loin cloths and generally act like adult “Lord of the Flies” types and he was presented with his avatar Chang. Makes you wonder if he’s watches Conan the Republican and masturbates
September 20th, 2005 at 4:02 pmCan you re-post this in about, say, 3 years?
please?
September 20th, 2005 at 4:03 pmBush/Chang 12 ‘08 ?????
September 20th, 2005 at 4:03 pm[…] And finally, Jeb Bush is a moron. End of story. […]
September 20th, 2005 at 4:04 pmHoookay. Had to check the URL to make sure it wasn’t http://www.theonion.com.
Then again, The Onion has had BushCo nailed since Day One:
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28784
WASHINGTON, DC–Mere days from assuming the presidency and closing the door on eight years of Bill Clinton, president-elect George W. Bush assured the nation in a televised address Tuesday that “our long national nightmare of peace and prosperity is finally over.”
Enlarge Imagenation nightmare
President-elect Bush vows that “together, we can put the triumphs of the recent past behind us.”
“My fellow Americans,” Bush said, “at long last, we have reached the end of the dark period in American history that will come to be known as the Clinton Era, eight long years characterized by unprecedented economic expansion, a sharp decrease in crime, and sustained peace overseas. The time has come to put all of that behind us.”
Bush swore to do “everything in [his] power” to undo the damage wrought by Clinton’s two terms in office, including selling off the national parks to developers, going into massive debt to develop expensive and impractical weapons technologies, and passing sweeping budget cuts that drive the mentally ill out of hospitals and onto the street.
During the 40-minute speech, Bush also promised to bring an end to the severe war drought that plagued the nation under Clinton, assuring citizens that the U.S. will engage in at least one Gulf War-level armed conflict in the next four years.
“You better believe we’re going to mix it up with somebody at some point during my administration,” said Bush, who plans a 250 percent boost in military spending. “Unlike my predecessor, I am fully committed to putting soldiers in battle situations. Otherwise, what is the point of even having a military?”
On the economic side, Bush vowed to bring back economic stagnation by implementing substantial tax cuts, which would lead to a recession, which would necessitate a tax hike, which would lead to a drop in consumer spending, which would lead to layoffs, which would deepen the recession even further.
[…]
September 20th, 2005 at 4:04 pmI’m no big fan of Jeb, our next President, but I think that’s kind of cool, actually. I don’t have a problem with it, although I’m not sure he should have mentioned it in public. I think all he’s saying is that he has created a mental construct that embodies the qualities he strives for. I guess most people do that, and although they don’t personalize it to the extent that Jeb does, I don’t see why it should be a problem.
I actually did something similar for many years (before the spork incident). And I think lots of people do this with their fathers… you know, What would Dad think of this or that.
I’m not sure where this fits with Jesus, though. But just because you’re a Christian doesn’t mean you can’t have secular entities. Jesus was no politician and is really not a fit God for a one. But I can see how some Christians would look askance at this.
September 20th, 2005 at 4:04 pmWhat the? I wonder what all the fundie types think about this — they pretty much think all those new-agers who channel are spawn of the devil. But I guess if you channel a “conservative, entrepreneurial” type it’s ok.
Someone needs to turn David Rees (Get Your War On) to this. He’d have a field day with it!
September 20th, 2005 at 4:06 pmKung Pao Chicken from Chef Chang’s is a tradition in my neighborhood.
September 20th, 2005 at 4:09 pmA previous poster had it right — President Bush the First used to yell “Unleash Chiang!” on the tennis court.
I never saw an explanation for its origin, but I have no doubt that it is a Cold War phrase meant to exhort those who hoped Chiang Kai-Shek could take China back from the Commies. The Bushes have turned it into a general rallying cry.
September 20th, 2005 at 4:10 pmSo are the brothers trying to out do each other with their invisible friends. Jeb is playing Dungons & Dragons with Chang and George is playing Bring On The Rapture with god. I never thought Papa George would end up looking like the sanest of the bunch!!!
September 20th, 2005 at 4:11 pmIt’s funny to think that if someone on the left side of the political fence claimed to speak with “mystical warrior” entities, the talk radio screamers and the Cable and Network TV bobbleheads would be giving this a thousand times more air-time than even the “dean scream”
Meanwhile, the madness of King George and the rest of his defective clan is quietly ignored
September 20th, 2005 at 4:11 pmGeorge & Jeb = Cheech & Chang…
September 20th, 2005 at 4:15 pm“It’s GENERAL CHANG from Star Trek.”
That’s true. General Chang like both Bushes and the republican party was also a traitor to his people. He fabricated an attack on his people, and created and prolonged warfare because he feared that peace would undermine his cronies and the ’soft liberal’ government that was arising…
It’s interesting that Jeb would identify so readily with a traitor warrior. A figure who was more interested in his own greed and failed honor than the welfare of his people - at least he picked someone appropriate to his own treasonous values…
September 20th, 2005 at 4:24 pm“Why does she laugh at my mighty sword?”
September 20th, 2005 at 4:29 pmIs Jeb’s ‘Chang’ anything like Rod Tidwell’s ‘Kwan’?
September 20th, 2005 at 4:29 pm[…] …carries a golden sword. (more) […]
September 20th, 2005 at 4:29 pmNow, you’all just aren’t being FAIR. It’s nice to have a New-Age Bush, in touch with his inner HunkRa.
*snicker*
Okay, I thought I could say that with a straight face, but I was wrong.
September 20th, 2005 at 4:35 pmNext prominent national politicians will be crowning Korean lunatics in federal buildings … oh, wait …
September 20th, 2005 at 4:35 pmThis is yet another example of what psychologists have dubbed ‘Anxious Masculinity’ that rules the right wing weak men who dominate this chickenhawk administration…
http://www.buzzflash.com/ interviews/ 05/ 03/ int05011.html
Republicans seem to be clueless on what masculinity actually is… How sad for their wives and boyfriends…
September 20th, 2005 at 4:38 pmOh goodness-
September 20th, 2005 at 4:44 pmI have a history with the pentocostals and baptists right wingers and I can tell you they are steaming mad about this mystical warrior hoopla.
They wont like this chang chatter at all!
[…] Um… […]
September 20th, 2005 at 4:44 pmGod help us if this idiot steals the white house like his moron brother did!
September 20th, 2005 at 4:47 pmmichaelmoore.com
huffingtonpost.com
…BY the POWER of NUMBSKULL .. err, GREYSKULL
September 20th, 2005 at 4:47 pmI kind of like the fact that Jeb isn’t afraid to be a little mystical instead of the liberal community that seems to have to harp on people who are like him…and by the way, whi;e I’m at it, why not pull the large sticks out of your “backside” and loosen up….sheesh! Can we find anything to say good about people instead of doing everything we can to wreck their leadership so people suffer until the opposing party comes in. You’re all about your party and your position. Ever heard of the American people who need you to work together for their good. Oh really? Well they’re out there.
September 20th, 2005 at 4:53 pmShouldn’t Jeb be tending to his son who was just arrested for public drunkeness and resisting arrest? Has all of the bush family now been arrested from some issue related to substance abuse? And the reichwing worries about a blowjob? Wow, they sure are a stupid uptight bunch of hypocrits!
A whole family that’s so dysfunctional - that it’s just embarrassing and shameful… They’re perfect for a jerry springer episode - Redneck former New England heirs and heiresses gone wild! See them snort coke, shootup meth, get drunk and invade foreign countries!
September 20th, 2005 at 4:54 pmIs Chang the one who introduced Jeb’s son to drinking and disorderly conduct?
September 20th, 2005 at 5:00 pmI guess the family’s role is to destroy the country and behave really, really badly. maybe Jeb does go drinking with Jeb jr. and the twins and takes drugs with his daughter and his big brother, Junior.
September 20th, 2005 at 5:04 pmAnd these are the grownups? Bwah! Bwah!Ha! Ha!
Here’s a post about the ‘real’ Chang in the Bush clan.
They’ve got photos!
http://tinyurl.com/cl6lq
September 20th, 2005 at 5:08 pmJust the cash register going chang chang chang.
September 20th, 2005 at 5:10 pmWell, at least Jeb! edited his original comments:
September 20th, 2005 at 5:18 pm“’scuse me while I whip this out!”
Botched coathanger job=George
[snip]
Comment by Brian — September 20, 2005 @ 11:38 am
This conjures REALLY disturbing images of Old Babs Bush with her skirt hiked up over her tits and her knees up on either side of her ears…
…I - I - I just can’t go on.
September 20th, 2005 at 5:21 pmNeil Bush is beginning to look like the normal one in the family.
September 20th, 2005 at 5:26 pmHas Jeb bestowed Chang’s sword on Sung Myung Moon yet? maybe they can crown each other Emperor of Fantasyland.
September 20th, 2005 at 5:32 pmBut if Hilary Clinton mentions she has hypothertical ‘conversations’ with Eleanor Roosevelt, she’s a freak (and a closeted lesbian)? WTF? Would somebody with half a brain PLEASE run for office so i don’t feel like I’m the last guy in the States who believes in evolution, the geological record and helping out your fellow man?
September 20th, 2005 at 5:35 pmSorry -
*hypothetical
Reading crap like this article gets me all worked up.
September 20th, 2005 at 5:36 pmOh my . . .
From Think Progress, via Atrios: JEB! Bush whips out his “mystical warrior” in front of Florida Legislature
Initial reports indicate Hurricane Rita has recoiled in horror.
September 20th, 2005 at 6:01 pmAbout Jeb’s military service, I believe his mom stated that while still a teenager, Jeb said he’d sooner flee to Canada than go to Vietnam. Imagine for a moment if Clinton had said that.
September 20th, 2005 at 6:05 pmAn Opportunity to Cite Teenie Bopper Movies
Jeb Bush, it seems, has a mystical warrior friend named Chang, who he brandished as a golden sword in the Florida State House. TP ascribes this to the “imaginary friend” syndrome, but there’s something deeper here and, I fear, if it&…
September 20th, 2005 at 6:11 pmChang, Chang, Chang went the trolley?
What a fvcked up bunch of inbreds.
September 20th, 2005 at 6:17 pm[…] Has an imaginary friend, a sword named Chang (original article). It’s a lot like a man called Horse or a dog named Boo, only scarier and an actual sign of mental instability. Chang is a mystical warrior. Chang is somebody who believes in conservative principles, believes in entrepreneurial capitalism, believes in moral values that underpin a free society. […]
September 20th, 2005 at 6:21 pmOh My Lord! How funny. The Bush’s need a rest. What do you do with inherited pathology????? None of them are “right”.
September 20th, 2005 at 6:22 pmChill out guys, Chang was a legendary samarai in Middle-Age China who was called upon to settle political disputes. I guess he really kicked some butt and got compromise. Kinda like going to the principals office. “Unleashing Chang” is an eliltist way of saying “Get’r done.” The rest of the florida house probably didn’t get it because they never get anything done.
September 20th, 2005 at 6:23 pmThose whom society does not lift up because of their virtue can only rule with brute force. These are not men. They are ugly serpents who feed on smaller fish.
Saddam did similar photo ops, brandishing a rifle you’ll recall.
Chang suggests to lovers of Jeb a good-natured public servant. The image of a trophy severed head on a stick. “We mean business.” The most privileged family in American history mocks those without means to defend themselves and threatens those who embrace fairness.
September 20th, 2005 at 6:27 pmAnd why are you freaking liberals sitting here and jerking off laughing about how stupid Republicans are. Considering everything that has gone wrong in the last five years, Democrats should be running both houses and the White house….but like always you will attatch yourself to the negative side of the story, come up with ZERO positive ideas, and find a way to blow it in 2006. You got to get over your cynicism and do something for your country. It’s a sad day when you look more pathetic than the Bush family. At least the Republicans are TRYING. That is a pathetic summation.
September 20th, 2005 at 6:32 pmMaybe the Bush brothers have an identity problem, I think they grew up not being sure which parent was the man.
September 20th, 2005 at 6:36 pmTRYING to destroy the Country…and doing ‘a hellava job’ so far.
September 20th, 2005 at 6:36 pmI love it. I post two factual and intelligent posts, and the next reply is a “man joke” about Barbara Bush….jeesh, you guys are really that pathetic….Hey! I got 2 tickets to the Warp Tour! I’ll bring the skittles.
September 20th, 2005 at 6:39 pmIf Republicans are “TRYING to destroy the country” then Democrats are becoming very willing participants. Look in your history books, when has cyncism ever brought about a positive societal change. Enthusiam has changed everything. Stop being cynical and finding fault with everything, find an actually solvable problem, and come up with a PROGRESSIVE solution to that problem. Novel idea huh?
September 20th, 2005 at 6:42 pm“Chang” can mean “moon” in Chinese. Actually Jeb is member of a secret Republican capitalist order that worships the moon, otherwise called “lunatics”.
September 20th, 2005 at 6:46 pmJeremy, lighten up. The problem with this country is not Republican or Democrat. It is a people problem. We have too many soulless spirits walking around thinking the only real thing is money and power, and that goes for people in all the parties. The Bush family just makes it so darn easy to poke fun at. You know the old saying ( if you don’t have anything nice to say ). I tried to contain myself - but I escaped.
September 20th, 2005 at 6:48 pmDoes Jeb have his own Star Trek outfit he wears on
September 20th, 2005 at 6:54 pmspecial occasions (like the juror in the OJ trial),
too?
To paraphrase Voltaire, if the Bushes didn’t exist
we would have to invent them.
Jeb-Chang ‘08!
September 20th, 2005 at 6:54 pmbut while you look at the Bush family and laugh, they are laughing right back at you because they believe that they have the bigger stick. But U.S. citizens have the final say with their votes. You get that right? Well, there are a lot of people out there who would vote these guys out of office if there were a better alternative. Still following me? But when the only voices from the left are of ridicule, those people who have paid a lot of dues to get where they are aren’t going to vote for a bunch of immature hecklers. Life isn’t like that. It still boils down to a Republican, Democrat problem because currently, they are the conduits of leadership.
September 20th, 2005 at 6:54 pmLet’s all vote for Chang - even an imaginary friend could do a better job than these crack pots.
September 20th, 2005 at 6:56 pmHey, I know where Chang is living these days.
http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/tv_shows/fosters/
September 20th, 2005 at 6:59 pmJust John: I appreciate you keeping up the pressure on Disco, too. I think we can, in this decade, finally eradicate it from the earth forever!
September 20th, 2005 at 7:00 pmJeremy. I love how you sit here and call us immature hecklers. Should’nt you be doing something more productive? Is this really Carl Rove? It takes a far bigger looser to take the time and answer to people he or she finds beneath them. Come on get over to Iraq and help out the NEOCON cause.
September 20th, 2005 at 7:07 pmSo I guess he is giving up any support from the religious right, who don’t take kindly to New Age BS.
Maybe this is why parents didn’t put him up for president instead of the distempered retard.
September 20th, 2005 at 7:10 pm[…] http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/20/jeb-bush-reveals/ […]
September 20th, 2005 at 7:11 pmCould have been worse. Jeb could have revealed his Wang.
Sorry. That’s the Republican mayor of Spokane.
September 20th, 2005 at 7:12 pm“The problem with this country is not Republican or Democrat. It is a people problem. We have too many soulless spirits walking around thinking the only real thing is money and power, and that goes for people in all the parties.”
Debora, I agree humor is VERY important, and frankly you seem like a very together nice person, but I have to totally disagree with what you said about america’s problems.
The problem is not a people problem, it’s a corporate problem. It’s a media problem. It’s a wealth problem. The american people have lots of soul - it’s the corporate and rich interests that are the ones without souls.
And since those seem to be most heavily concentrated around republicans, there is a PROFOUND difference in the parties. You’ve clearly heard too much of the republican supplied spin that both parties are the same, and it’s the problem with the ‘people’. Well I believe that’s bunk!
The problem is diebold, crony capitalism, corporate media, election fraud and a bunch of christian talibanists that have TOO MUCH religion and not enough soul… Come on, you’re a smart person - don’t buy into their propaganda on this one!
September 20th, 2005 at 7:14 pmLOL, If you read my other posts, you will see I am giving, nor will I give Republicans any love whatsoever! I am far from (note the K) Karl Rove. I am saying just that. Stop being immature about politics and win votes with ideas. Is that not a Democratic strength anymore?
September 20th, 2005 at 7:14 pmThe thought of a Conservative warrior named Chang is too much. All i can think of is this Mongol-style warrior, with a short haircut and an SUV.
September 20th, 2005 at 7:15 pmI think Jeb is referring to the god “Chango’” the afrocuban god of war who is also known as “Santa Barbara”. Catholicism and African beliefs are often combined in Caribbean countries. I’m not surprised that Jeb who’s lived in Miami is into this sort of black magic stuff. And don’t forget that Rubio is of Cuban descent. Guess he and his brother need all the spiritual help they can get.
September 20th, 2005 at 7:17 pmDidn’t Chaing used to a fellow at the Hudson institute?
September 20th, 2005 at 7:25 pmOh my gawd.
What is in the water that the Bush family is drinking?!!!!!
September 20th, 2005 at 7:28 pmIt’s voodoo water. You can buy it on Calle Ocho in Miami.
September 20th, 2005 at 7:32 pmI guess I’ll have to ask my honey to unleash the power of the Schwartz!
September 20th, 2005 at 7:33 pmhelen,
I think it’s all of the mercury poisoning… Their brain function is clearly not normal, healthy or acceptable..
September 20th, 2005 at 7:35 pmJust think maybe Kiss-ass Karl Rove can help old Jeb become the President. Then he could appoint his little Mystical friend as the director of FEMA or better yet give him old Rummy’s job after all he is a warrior.
The link to find out more about Jeb’s condition is helpful as well.
September 20th, 2005 at 7:42 pmI don’t really disagree with what you say.
I do think that people have responsibility to educate themselves. The society does make great demands on people’s lives and time, granted. But I don’t see much distinction between stupid people reaching a tragic conclsion and tragic people reaching a stupid conclusion.
The fact is that “wedge” issues and personal attacks work.
I have a friend who did quite a lot of federal prison time as a result of George Jackson Brigade activity. She and I go round and round on this. She, taking the position that people are not stupid and me insisting that they are.
Striking a pose along the lines of private utility ownership, for profit health care, an absurd and adventurist foreign policy, creationism, the polls that show 80% of Americans believe in guardian angels, should be announced to the world tentatively. But, its propoents, finding the people simple enough to believe anything, pass quietly from absurd to mainstream and soon we all act like their notions are business as usual.
One thing seems clear to me. Citizens of the USA have the government they deserve.
Mike Bailey @ godsmadmen
September 20th, 2005 at 7:48 pmHolly,
Brown was involved in a scam to buy florida votes - his reward was a job he was unqualifed to do, in an administration too inept to do anything…
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/092005S.shtml
September 20th, 2005 at 7:48 pmA typical Republican. 110% Bull
September 20th, 2005 at 7:53 pmIf the country wasn’t so screwed up right now this would be funny….besides laughing my ass off while reading the thread from this story and the story itself, the seriousness of these Neocons and Republican thieves is frightening. What is it going to take to get people to wake up?
Naomi
September 20th, 2005 at 7:59 pmMike Baily, I couldn’t agree more. This is a stupid topic to have 150 posts in 13 hours. If a US rep got this many e-mails that quickly on an earmarked pork project laden within the energy bill, we might have real progress. We want the stupid stuff to numb us from the meticulous, boring, bueracratic truth.
September 20th, 2005 at 8:10 pmHe was/is a PNAC member. You can’t expect sanity from a person involved in that group.
September 20th, 2005 at 8:10 pmPlease god help us no more Bushs. The thought of having another Bush run in the future scare the hell out of me. I can’t stand seeing bug eyed momma Bush and Pa Bush in another presidental race. The old saying fool me once shame on you but fool me twice shame on me. I’m tired of these so called compassionate conseratives.
September 20th, 2005 at 8:32 pmGawd,
No wonder his kids are so screwed up!
September 20th, 2005 at 8:40 pm“Stop being cynical and finding fault with everything, find an actually solvable problem, and come up with a PROGRESSIVE solution to that problem. Novel idea huh?”
Comment by Jeremy — September 20, 2005 @ 6:42 pm
The solvable problem Jeremy, is the current criminal administration. The PROGRESSIVE solution would be to prosecute them. Now THERE’S a novel idea, huh? Unfortunately, in case you didn’t know, they have the majorty. And in case you hadn’t seen it, they don’t hold their own accountable. Now, if I’m not mistaken, that pretty well leaves the ‘06 elections to regain an opposition … or Fitzgerald’s (spelling?) investigation to upset the war pigs. I’m guessing the second option is a long shot. In the mean time, there’s the election process that SHOULD have been addressed 6 years ago. A solution for that? Paper reciepts might be a place to begin a discussion. But you wanna know what? In my opinion, with all of the sh*t they throw on our doorstep, they deserve every bit of bad-mouthing anyone can supply. With the MSM proping them up at every opportunity, it’s pretty nice to be able to voice your opinions and yes, make fun of the bastards, around others that share similar opinions.
“Stop being immature about politics and win votes with ideas. Is that not a Democratic strength anymore?”
Comment by Jeremy — September 20, 2005 @ 7:14 pm
You think the people of this country turned out in record numbers in ‘04 to vote for more of the same?
September 20th, 2005 at 9:00 pmI for one, don’t think it’s a lack of ideas Jeremy, it’s who’s counting the votes.
Hey Jeb.
September 20th, 2005 at 9:03 pmYou can’t pick your nose with Narsil and wear the One Ring at the same time. It doesn’t work like that.
150 comments is at least a public discourse. yes we need ideas from the people, solutions from the democrats, (who are just as in the pockets of thier donors as the republicans; review the nafta and gatt pork babies without brains born on the maquladores (sic)polluted border rivers that flow into texas and the telecommunications act to see this) but the solution is education. do the newspapers and various news sources have a responsibility to be proactive on the news or reactive. should they report a bill as it is introduced with debate over its ramifications or should they simply report it after it’s a forgone conclusion to be ratified like the bankruptcy bill. are they and we not comlicit in all around us when we accept the conservative rhenquist deciding our president, we accept that we can’t have election reform, we accept that in order to get into office our politicians need to accept money from the richest citezens and corporations (most of which are increasingly becoming multinational and so have less and less interest in america’s future), this list of obvious wrongs goes on and on. even now every one of us in this conversation are sitting in warm comfortable homes and online, with the education to be here, unlike the majority of poor and voting america. if you read mein kampf hitler says what he is going to do. if you read bushes speaches so does he. ownership society for who the richest owners; not the middle class that put him in. we need reform and it must come from the people. bushes presidency, his social security and tax cuts are hopefully dead but why does it take a once in a lifetime natural disaster to galvanize public opinion and create balls in our represented leaders? we all new that bush was all about dismantling government to help out his cronies. my father voted for him because of abortion and my girlfriend because he was christian (the first will never happen in our lifetime it is a scare tactic to keep the masses from thinking clearly, and the second an obvious ruse to pander to the electorate) neither of which addresses his philosophy of governing, the loss of checks and balances in the branches of government and his spending; which is obscene because he and his friends will die before the bill comes due and his heirs if he cares about them can move to switzerland or norway. we need these discussions as much as we need each other. the more awareness in each person is the groundswell of indignation that will revolutionize our systems to truly be for the people and all the people.
September 20th, 2005 at 9:12 pmpatrick,
The problem is that news is now a corporate affair, and any hope of reaching people through the media is not going to work. The media is a right wing tool that is cowed by its corporate masters. Before Reagan undid it, there were media rules that governed the press and how it handled the news. This ensured that stories were largely reported in an accurate manner, and that’s why the republicans did away with it.
While democratic officials are in the pocket of corporations more than I’m comfortable with, their voters are very different from those of the republicans. Reaching those voters through grass roots efforts, and ensuring that they are educated and aware of the issues is a better solution. Inform local democratic groups to get their news from here, media matters, dailykos and other sites is a great first step. Another thing is to remind them repeatedly that the 2000, 2002 and 2004 elections were rigged by voter machine fraud - and that they must hold their representative accountable for fighting any illegal attempts to steal the election.
September 20th, 2005 at 9:20 pmJeb is just trying to distract us from the fact that his drunken son chooses to fight law enforcement officers instead of using his fighting spirit in Iraq.
I’m gonna tell Jeb to have Chang beam his moron son to Iraq were he can be a useful citizen.
September 20th, 2005 at 9:22 pmthis is crazy and racist. great.
September 20th, 2005 at 9:25 pmRyan Neat
I agree with you that we get our information from many more sources now. However, we have found other sources because we CARED enough and were OUTRAGED enough to do so.
Sheeple don’t care, they are ignorant and that scares me.
Canada is looking very good. Until I stop and think that I was raised here. This is not the same government I learned about in school.
The people are the government and we need to take the power back. Well, that and convict Rush on drug charges so he’ll shut the f— up.
Anyway, join me and all the others around the country on September 24th. Cindy Sheehan was a catalyst, but we are the ones who fuel the fire.
I’ll be in Columbia, MO. If you call around, you can find a demonstration in your area or close to you.
It is time that we took to the streets for peace and for our democracy. Don’t you think?
September 20th, 2005 at 10:33 pmMaybe Jeb, is afraid brother is going to be impeached and the whole family gets pulled into the scandal. If Jeb can proved he’s been experiencing a psychotic breakdown all this time, then maybe the American public will feel sorry for him, because he was born into a family where insanity doesn’t run, but gallops.
September 20th, 2005 at 11:30 pm“Yes, your Honor, Chang and I are buddies, we go way back. He told me not to trust that brother of mine. Actually, he told me, not to trust any of my brothers.
You can ask him yourself, he’s sitting right there in the second row. Yes, he’s sitting right there. He’s the one with the pigtail, silk jacket and big sword. What do you mean, you can’t see him!? For Godsakes, he’s sitting right there in front of you!
Mom stop pounding, on my attorney. Dad stop yelling! George, Neil, Stop! I see you trying to sneak out of the courtroom, you cowards. Lord Chang, you were right, they are all idiots! Beam me up, Scotty, no intelligent life in this family!”
Remember, Jeb is just short for Jebus.
September 20th, 2005 at 11:51 pmI must admit those on the right are pissant crybabies when you say something about Boy George or the Republicans, I no longer can talk politics with some of my own family who voted for…Bush…
September 21st, 2005 at 12:25 amWhat you all should look up and read about on the net is the Illumanti cult “The Master Plan” (Satan?)
It’s exactly what is happening today in our country and it will scare the sh-t out of you. Also look up the Zionist “agenda”.
We are puppets to our parties and they are puppets to a hidden dark and evil force in this world. The enemy is here, the enemy is within, to divide and conquer us all. United we stand, divided we fall.
Just Flunky again. For more sh-ts & giggles, look up and browse through the 1927 U.S. ARMY manual. It will open your eyes, seems to specifically warn us about leaders like Dumbya…peace, pray for our troops!!! and “grudgingly” for our “moronic” leader.
September 21st, 2005 at 12:31 amThe voices in my head tell me that Jeb is clinically insane, related to the emotional scarring Barbara Bush’s severe potty training methods caused…
September 21st, 2005 at 12:35 am“Conservative Warrior”, Swords ? sounds like Jeb is prolly the new Grand Wizard or Dragon for FLA’s KKK
September 21st, 2005 at 12:36 amThis guy is a political spastic, a mental moron - who does this feeble git think he is - King Arthur? And since when was entrepreneurial spirit and moral values ever the sole domain of the conservatives for crying out loud! Margaret Thatcher was knighted by the Queen, when told to rise after the ‘procedure’ she just knelt there. The Queen was dumb founded
September 21st, 2005 at 12:38 am’til someone from the court shouted …” tell her to stand up, the cow doesn’t know what a rise is”. With people like jEb and his idiot brother in power - we are all doomed to a new feudalism.
jesus…
this is the group that has sent two and soon to be three men to lead our country…it’s absolutely astounding that these people, who are so odd, and not particularly bright, but happen to be born into money get to lead the rest of the dimwits…i suppose if they can continue to think up enough divisive issues to polarize the voters, they will continue to have the luxury of conjuring up imaginary friends and handing out samurai swords to their cronies instead of attending to the legitimate needs of the population…how about a pay increase for teachers, or after school programs…skip the fucking sword swaps and mystical bullshit…america is going to be ruled by the chinese in a couple decades…maybe the bushies are trying to gain favor with the changs of the world before it’s too late…i’m amazed…
September 21st, 2005 at 12:41 amBeam him up, Scotty!
PS The theme from the “Twilight Zone” came in loud and clear.
September 21st, 2005 at 12:51 am[…] Is Jeb Bush the only Bush brother with an imaginary friend? I’m thinking “no”. […]
September 21st, 2005 at 1:06 amRoberta, nice comments..stay the course..
September 21st, 2005 at 1:09 amJeremy, Plz Wake-Up!!!
This started w/ the 2000 Presidential Election Process..!!
The debacle in the Florida electorial process for El’ Presidente;..! was Well Noted by the GOP, they jumped on it in A ‘New York Minute’..!! Katherine Harrison was the ‘Political Pawn’ in the deciesive out-come of this MESS we face today…
Mind You, the Supreme Court ‘Granted’ George W. Bush Presdintial Powers U.S.A. 2000…
NOT TRUELY ELECTED!!
In the secound Election..2004, Ohio was ‘The’ State to carry a Win or Lose…!!
Well, Well, Well,..!! Installed in Ohio,Many, Many electronic Voting machines(supplied and made) by a HUGE Bush Donor without any sort of paper trail..No Questions asked..???
No wonder the guy carried a Win…GET MY DRIFT???
with big brother having vanquished the evil doers in Iraqi the only thing left is for jeb the gloden sword chang an there hord of sheeples is to invade mars !
September 21st, 2005 at 1:21 amOne Jeb Bush-Florida state. One George Bush-the United States. Insanity priceless. For everything else there’s Chang. Accept by the GOP everywhere.
September 21st, 2005 at 1:28 amFlunky,
September 21st, 2005 at 1:35 amI am quite Aware of the Illumanati,
It is So Obscure but Sooo… Present in our Time…
Great comments!!! I Hope MANY UNDERSTAND!!!
Thanks for bringing Illumanti to Light…
P.S.
These Folks Runnin’ this Show are NOT COOL!!!
Peace and Love
A family of wannabe robber barons, only now it’s hurting all of us to a much greater degree (check out http://prorev.com/bush2.htm and other factual sources) that expose this family what it is: despicable! How many “conservatives” approve of aimless, drugged and drunken sons and daughters? This and previous generations which still wield power in this and other countries (think Saudi Arabia). Now Shrub et al are using pornography as yet another subterfuge to hide their treasonous activities from the-rest-of-us. What is more pornographic than generations of Bush raping this country in thought, word and deed?
September 21st, 2005 at 2:32 amAmerica/DOn’t come to canada as we have been sold down the river by our government.BY mCD premeeMARTIN!WE had your WElfare Elites here the free loaders,Bushes JEFFand your GOD awful geocon bush!!! MY country is like mexico and yours.ALLthree stooges to-GETHER. CIA &fbi can come to arrest any one they if they think you are a anti seimetist ora terrorist,etc.etc. anew law now a police state or soon THEY the policeand National security agencies new powers to eavesdropon cellphones and monitor the internet activities of canadians!!! By our fed. government. US>mexico>and now canada. ITs an art of stealth imposed under the guise of national security Why?secret in texas meeting 3STOOGES COMMAND & CONTROL of our 3 country’s by the US and the elite secret government. In toronto they had an attack demo. sound famialure.?the terrorist could hit the subways or CNtowers.YOU know and Iknow who they are!IT was amatter of time that if they say it will happen in canada too by god himself GGGGG BELIEVE he already knows!!!!another usofA, uk,&now its our turn to go with the MARTIAL LAWAND black BOOties.WE already have GUN control.!!So brothers and sisters keep your eyes and ears open!!PS HERE they ARE very naieve and truly believe it’s the real terrorists. We are nuts when we talk to most people! THEY ARE ASLEEP!THE REAL GOD help them!!THE TRUE ENLIGHTENMENT means we will find out the truth .What are WE going to do ,SLAVEMENT,CAMPS or take our LIVES BACK AND PUT HONEST PEOPLE IN GOVERNMENT .WE THE people a long time ago made the GOVERNMENT and paid for their work so we had law&order TO protect our money PROPERTYetc.NO taxes!!! NO HANDOUTS FROM THE GOVN’TS.WE PAID WELL!!!and we helped each other. There fore we were the SOVEReigns not the people we hired to GOVERN us or voted in .THE ELITE SHOULD NOT BEallowed to run for any office.!!! ESpecially the GOVERNT!!!THANK YOU FROM CANADA!!!for listening.WE DO WORry the ones who have woke from our long and material sleep! SOOn we willnot have our homes and goodies we thought were so important.WE will find abu camps very very unhappy for Eons to come? WE are now and owned by your welfare and useless eaters GOVERN”t!!!!and secret govern’t!!
September 21st, 2005 at 3:09 am